the work session on 613. Thanks for uh mayor and council links for joining this evening. Um, I'm going to let you know and preface that the CIP was updated by myself at 11:00 p.m. on Tuesday this week and or last week and I got that about 2:00 a.m. So, if there's issues and problems, we're going to have to talk about them later on. So, I'm going to preface that right away. I got most of them in some conversations with department heads that I had notes on and such. There's a few of them in there already that Marty had mentioned to me that, hey, you forgot to put this in a later year. I'm like, oh, okay, good. We'll make sure we'll put that out. But, was there also extra stuff? There shouldn't have been anything added extra. So everything that I made sure was in there opportunity was 26 and 27 I focused on heavily with all department head stuff. So I make sure I made sure I put everything in there for the next few years. Further out years is where you might not see as many things added because I did not put as much emphasis on those further out years at this moment. I will work on that and I will send out an updated draft. My goal is to do that before the 4th of July. So, I will send an updated draft to you next week with all of the things from the um from the department heads so we can have a further discussion about it. But as noted in an email a couple weeks ago, limited time and trying to figure out when this is going to work for a CIP discussion with myself being absent at the next council meeting to jam it into this council meeting, which then ends up adding more work to my plate and that didn't work out quite so well. So, then I didn't focus on what needs to be focused on apparently. So uh we'll talk about 26 and 27 heavily and I have CIP1 pages for the fund 401 or their top sheet which we have done over the last few years and it seems to have helped with conversations related to what's happening. Um, and then we'll talk heavily about changes that we made, um, which is on the second page of the, um, CIP document that you have that shows where things were moved to, if they were moved out or in or dollars were changed around, what were they before, what are they now, um, and go from there. We'll spend most of our time on fund 401 and then we'll go through the rest of the funds and talk about them. There are limited changes on the other ones. I mean, there's additions and such as always, but fund 401 seems to be always the one we spend the most time on. And that is related to equipment because equipment changes from year to year of what's needed and what may need to be needed. And it also gets pushed out and in depending on if we can say, okay, we can get another year out of that item. Let's push it again another year from department status or we may have to bring one in depending on if it's like that's just costing us too much in repairs that might need to be replaced sooner than what we thought. I'm going to start at the top and go down here and we'll start with the replacement of utility trailer and the replacement of the 1999 mower. So, those are the first two items on your white sheets here that are the 8 and 1 half x 11s. I tried to do them in order as best I could today. Um, the mower is from 1999. We are still using a 1999 mower. Yes. Um, I don't know if that's a daily one or if that's just a backup, but I'll tell you what, it's not great to have a 1999 mower. And I don't know when the utility trailer's from, but that's pre it's been here ever since I've been here. Okay. So, that would have been at least 2005. Yeah, 2005 at least. choice. Okay. So, that's the mower, right? Yeah. Yep. That's the mower or something similar to that. Um and then a utility trailer replacement for those cuz we have two mow crews that go out now, especially in the summer. Um previously, we probably only had one. Um but now with all the parkways and additional spaces we have for outlots and whatnot that we have to maintain as the city, we have two mow crews that go out now and each one can hold three mowers. So, Any questions on those two? Those seem two fairly straightforward replacements. They aren't additions. They're just replacements of old older equipment. Making sure our stuff stays in usable condition. We have looks like three 60-in mowers in three years. Yeah. CS. So, these are all replacements or That's what we're getting to is a replacement. So, I think the one that's following this one is a 2000 60. Yes. Yeah. And so, and then the last one is an abs a new one as in not a replacement. So, 26 is a replacement of the 1999. 27 is a replacement of the 2012 2012 maybe is 2012 60-inch mower with bigger attachment. Okay. Yep. So, 2012 mower and then the last one is a new unit for a 60-inch mower. Good question. Um, yeah. Okay. Okay. So, the first two I talked about with the utility trailer and the 16-inch mower. Um, the 2027 one we don't have any questions on those, but the good question on the mower one. So, we can touch base on that utility tractor. This is the big item in parks area. Um, and this is a replacement item right now. It's a 1990 we have. Yeah. We purchased a similar unit in 2022. Um, and it seems to be doing well. It's a very useful piece of equipment for us. We got a bunch of different attachments for it. A flail mower that we bought a couple of years ago that enables us to go around storm ponds and and ditches and um the plowing equipment is really useful. It's a self-contained unit that can get all the way down to uh the interchange on on its own back. It doesn't have to have a trailer or anything to take it down there. So, it's really useful like that. And with the additional trails that we're getting, uh, another trail mower would be good. So that would be a replacement for, like I said, the 1990. So be $130,000 of cost. And the 1990, it has been in the Mississippi ones. Okay, good to know. Still running. Yeah, still running. Um, second one was the bagger attachment. So it looks like a bagger is roughly $5,000 for a bagger attachment um for the 60-inch mower. Mhm. field marking equipment that is moved up. Was that out a couple years before? I can't remember if that one was out or if we added that field marking. It was less than the new one. It was out a couple years I believe. Okay. And we are having to mark this back this back field and I'm assuming numerous other ones more often now with more and more use of these fields that we have. And so being it's a 20 plus year old piece of equipment, it's starting to get not as reliable. What other fields do we use this on? We use it on McNeil um over at River Hills. Um we're going to be using it down at Diamond Lake Diamonds um and back here. We also use it for marking parking lot uh city parking lots, parking spaces, that kind of thing. And we'll be using it at the um the new parking lot by the school market. And then obviously street marking or parking lot marking equipment as well. We don't know how old it is. We just know it's more than 20 years old cuz that's a lot more experience here. Yeah. Same thing with the trailer. It's older than that. And the last one for parks is another as a one ton crew cab truck. That one. Um that one would be your third one in 350. Yes. F350 crew cab that should be for 80,000. Correct. Yeah. And this is just an additional. So is that one? Yes. Kind of a plethora of one ton pickups. What? What? Um I think some of those one tons are changing at 350s. I think there was some mix up a while ago about the one ton there. There's I think there was five at one time. So, we have right now in parks we have we're looking to replace one. Yep. Which is a one- ton or an F350. From my understanding, it will be an F350. FD350 or a one ton. They're known as the same thing. One ton 550. It's a 550. Yeah. One ton is a 550. This is a 3/4 ton. I thought a 550 was a 1 and 1/2 ton. One ton is a one ton. H a one ton is a one. Yeah, but is it a 3/4 ton? I thought that's what I thought. A 350. 350 is one. Yeah, that's what I thought. 250 is a 3/4. But we the ones that we got as a one time is 550. So in four in a Ford. In a Ford. Yeah. Okay. I'm a Chevy guy. I think we just got those. But our two Fords that we got were 350s, not one. I thought they were one ton. Okay. They are okay. That's what I thought. Okay. So, yes, we have one in parks and then if you move down to public works, which is s the two public safety spots in the middle, you have one next year for 75,000. That should be Is that a replacement, Marty, or is that an addition? That's replacing 2009. So, the 2026 one is replacing a 2009 pickup. Yeah. I need to make sure we write this stuff down so that Oh, good. There was a third one in here, too. Say that one more time. There was a third one somewhere. Yep. And then there should be one more listed in 2027 and then that replaces the 2020 2012. All right. So, so really just one we have one additional one. Yes. And then we have two replacements. One is a 2009 and one is a 2012. And this new one, one that doesn't, that's an additional one. That's not anything we can copy of. There's four. So, what is your question, mayor, is how do we I'm just wondering how do we need one more? Yeah. Yeah. I'm kind of wondering why we need the especially I mean, this is going to be with all this stuff. it it's clear that we really need to crunch some stuff and I'm just wondering what this what this one is. Which one is that? So we have a you have one new additional one Marty in 2027 for the parks department. How many current vehicles do you have for the parks department as parks department? We have one that is assigned to the parks department and one that is used um by both departments. So there is a F350 that is uh totally uh for the uh parks department. Okay. And we use one from the other fleet. So I'm trying to get the two fleets separated out. So they um manage their own maintenance each way. So the F350 that's going in parks is because you know we're having to run two crews now. Okay. So you can't have as many guys running in the cab at the same time. Can I ask what we do with the used ones? Um, by the time they're out of service, we send them to auction. Okay. Last ones we've got at auction have been somewhere between $2,000 and $3,500. Yeah. They're We used them for so long. I mean, 2009 by the time we use them that long, they're worth nothing. Nobody wants them because they're either all rotted out and so like the last couple ones we've had cuz we didn't store them inside for a long time. They were all and all roached out or all I guess rusted out the bottom. We never had anywhere to store them inside and we couldn't um wash them off or hose them off after they've been out snow plowing. So yeah, they were sucking up the salt and so the earliest we can do wash them was in the you spring when they got got better. So they obviously took a lot of road salt on them and then yeah those are the older ones I would say we switched that somewhere in well they started being stored inside in 2017 shop. Yeah. So the newer ones should hopefully last a lot longer. Okay. Um plus board aluminum body as well so it doesn't rust either. Uh question everything in 2026 that's on all the way down the whole sheet. Yep. That's all part of the 19% ask, correct? That is included. Yes, that is included in the 19% ask or whatever it is. Yes. How do you figure? What do you mean? How do I figure? Oh, for example, uh the extrication tools 40k. Yep. Where do you see that on the fire department list? What it is is this is all a lot of capital is going to fill in our capital budget that's already got money in it. They're they're ask for 2026 is 1.3. Um you mean additional dollars? Yeah. Yes. It's 280,000 more than 2025. So yes, what I didn't catch that it's their ask for 2026 is 280,000 for CIP more more. Yes. So that would say that the 1.3 it's roughly 1.3 1.3 million. Yep. Yep. That includes all of this equipment. type of thing. It's more than that. There's equipment on here that's going to be purchased through if if we didn't raise the budget or the the revenue of the tax levy. If we put it at zero, there would still be money on to purchase capital equipment. There would not be any money if you took the capital number from 1.3 million that you're stating as a tax levy number that we talked about last council meeting. If you took that down to zero, there would be zero dollars left to purchase any capital equipment. Yes. Z. No. Well, if you don't have any money going into the levy, you can't purchase new equipment. But we have Okay, I'll give you an example. We have last year we spent on a front end loader. Mhm. and a more that was a onetime purchase. Yep. That's in the zero. So that's in the budget. Yes. If you didn't raise the levy at all, if that money what what Scott is saying is that if you took away the million dollars that you had in capital last year. That's what you're saying. No. What I'm saying is if you had a million part of that million bucks, last year's capital improvement money was $1,ion20,000. Yes. And we're adding 280 to it this year to make it 1.3. Yes, that is correct. So we still have the 1,ion20. Yes. And now we're adding 280 to it. Yes. And part of that most of that three in that 280 that's being added to that is related to the ladder truck. So, it's still a million dollars worth of if we weren't to pay for the ladder truck, if we were to say, "Okay, we're not going to save that money for the ladder truck that we had talked about last year, which is 100,000 and we had planned to do a stepped increase every year, roughly 300 grand every year." If we said we're not going to pay for the ladder truck anymore, we're going to take that away. We back down to the million 20,000 and you we would have all of these items here paid for that are listed in 20 ladder truck or whatever. It doesn't matter what the item is. Whatever that value is. So I lost track of you initially your stable was part of the 19%. Yes. Is increase that's the the 280,000 is part of the 198 19 19% not the not the million20 because that's already baked in. That's already that's already I understand what you're saying. Yes. Cuz Okay. So there's a 200 $280,000 increase request this year. Correct. My point is if Yes. Personally I think we got to do something with the 19. So it's going to be give and take. Yep. So some of this can't happen if if you take we might be able So based on again I was I did not have enough time unfortunately to focus on getting all the numbers moved around. We could probably reduce something out of here because we moved some things and items that Marty and I talked about or Paul and I talked about that moved it out a little ways or Gary and I talked about, hey, can we move that out another year or two? Um and one of them we'll talk about is the road grader and the packer which didn't get moved on this sheet. Those need to get moved out to another future year. And so those ones then are two big items of $275,000 in those two items. Those get moved out to 2030. We don't need to do them right this second. But to your point, anything we can shift out or we'll pull off helps that. Absolutely. It brings in 90% down. Yes. Yes, it does. And then but you know, I don't want to want to make sure we know that if we kick it down the road, say okay. And then doesn't mean that right we can't then just say keep kicking it you know we try to keep kicking it as far as you can right but or you find you don't need it that's what so you keep kicking it down the road until it's like okay you have to have that piece of equipment I'm kicking it down the road as soon you're ignoring something I'm just saying that there are some things we could legitimately push out and that could like we mentioned the packer and the road graater we could kick those out for a while 2030 and those are that's $275,000 that we I was going to ask about that greater. And so those are some items that I mentioned before, but this utility tractor, like some of the ones that we talked about the parks, the only one that you're thinking about that we could maybe push is one one ton truck. Could we push that? I don't know. I'd have to look with Marty and say, can you make it another year without having another truck, but that would be two years now. More only if you don't have a $9,000 repair bill. Mhm. I mean, that's there's been a lot of repair bills. A lot of repair bills. One transmission is nine grand. Okay, we'll touch base on. Okay, so 26 total of request for 26 at the parks department is $35,000. Those are both replacements. And you got new extrication tools at station two and $475,000, which is the largest request this year in 26. that is for the purchase of that engine tender we already paid for in 2023 um for the fire department and we said we will use those future dollars to be able to pay for that. So that's essentially your mark dollars that we had to pay for that engine tender and that was given to the council except back in 23 and there was a breakdown of how are we going to pay for that. It ended up being $1.186 million after the discount we got. Got about $140,000 discount somewhere in there for paying early. So that 475 has to be there to pay for that engine tender truck that we already technically paid dollars for. We just now get reimbured for those dollars to come back into that fund. So it the new request is for extrication tools at station two and I'll hand that off to the chief for explaining of one set for station one, one set for station two for extrication tools. Yeah. So we just did um I have not evaluated tools since I've been here and those tools are one set is 15 years old, the other is I think 12 years old. Typically, we go with tenure replacement for all fire department equipment. Typically, that's the requirement. These we can um extend a little bit. The problem that we're having with both of these is the hoses over time start to erode and start to get into cracking and leaking the possible because the high pressure um exploding. Are they inspected? Yeah, we take a look at them and then we try to get them. you know, we and we found a few leaks this when we did this extrication training last month. So, um there's ways to um move things around. We and I'll just throw it out there. We do have public safety dollars still. So, but I've hung on to those. So, being a team player and trying to figure out how to, you know, move things around, that could be a possibility as well. Um to Zach's point, we haven't had a whole lot of time to kind of really massage the numbers and everything, but those are out there. Um they do need to be replaced. Um otherwise, we'll have to purchase additional hoses, which we have the tools themselves that have some issues as well. So, this is mostly replacement. This is replacement equipment that we already currently have. Just it didn't show up here on here. I think too, I don't know, Zach, it's down the road, but uh 2030 we have 500,000 for new SCBAs and that's a requirement that we to purchase those after 15 years. What are those? They're 10 or SCBAs are self air packs. Oh. Um and so we are at the 10 year mark this year. So, the bottles everything are being hydro tested this year, but that's something looking five years down the road. Just I don't know if that was on there. It is on there. Yeah, it's on there now, but I don't know if it was before or not. It should have been. Um, we I think we added it last year, but we didn't discuss it much just because it's so far out. We typically try to focus on those next couple of years when we were looking at things. But, well, considering my big term is I woke up sucking air, air is pretty important. Can I ask questions? We also we're also looking at grant dollars for that too. So we're trying to find other ways to f pay extricate tools. We're looking at grant money and stuff. We have a couple of requests in. So So yes, during the extrication training that just happened. We found issues. So what are we doing if there's issues currently with them? Like what's the plan if we needed to use it tomorrow? They're they're still usable. It's just a thing of we want to make sure that we can replace them in the near future. Um because the hoses, the biggest thing they have pointed out to us is the hoses and the replacement of those because of the issue where we get into because they're under such high pressure and then they burst and explode and then we end up hurting the firefighter or they just become inoperable. The the newer technology too is it gets rid of the hoses. It's all self-contained one unit which is a battery operated unit. So it takes up less space in the trucks and so forth. So it's a hydraulic hose, right? Yes. So to your question is if we can replace it sooner with grant dollars and for public safety dollars, we will. Um but if we don't have the money to be able to do it, we're going to have to make sure we have them planned out sooner than later to try to replace them. To address your question, how many how many how many hoses are we talking about? Uh we have one, two, three. We have four sets of hoses for for two sets for each I'm sorry, one set for each extrication uh itself. So there's a orange and a blue on each station. The cost of I don't know what the replacement cost if we're able to get them. That's the other problem is because of the age of the equipment. I think you can get some we could look into seeing if we can get them. You know, again, we haven't had a lot of time, which I preface that we haven't had a lot of time to really massage if they're if we're worried about them bursting. It seems like at least you got to fix the hose. It doesn't I don't even know if you can. We just replace blades, right? That's in uh those blades are used specifically for the extrication training. Okay. So, that's cuz there was two sets on there. Yeah. They're those all all $700 was used for the extrication train. Yeah. We burn and those blades are just for our saw. So, we use those up. Well, I'm just saying like if we were able to get the blades, it's possible we might be able to get the hoses if we depending on what they are. Those just to clarify th those have nothing to do with extrication tool. These are the blades that you saw in the pay request. Those are for the sawzall. So, the little things. Oh, not for the extra. Not for the not for the extra. But we can look into seeing if we don't want your hoses in. If the chief and I can figure out how to make it work, we'll take them off the CIP. If it's not okay, not that's not a hold steadfast number. It's a we need something. If we don't have anything, we're not going to be in a good spot. So, let's get it figured out. Seems like kind of two different things to me. I mean, the the tool has a useful life, right? Yep. Near the end of that or add it. like if there's a current concern for the safety of using the tool that's something that should be just addressed correct taken care of whether that then says well we don't need these for 10 years I don't know if that's correct either it might get a year or something but yeah concern is the safety issue make sure that if the levy comes down to 40,000 bucks if the levy comes down to 40,000 bucks that's all we need to figure out and I will have a conversation we'll figure it out Yeah, it's 40 grand right now. We're I'm not seeing I'm not seeing 40 grand being being the issue. So, no. Um, moving down to uh 27 for the chief uh with fire department. We got execution tools for station one. Again, just trying to plan out for that and replacement of the chief the assistant chief vehicle. The assistant chief vehicle is currently a 2017, so it will be 10 years old at that point. Um, why is that one worn out? I'll look at the chief and say miles to me is more important than here. I mean, same. That's why I'm asking like I get why the the plow trucks are like salt and like I get why this one is not in a bad shape. Not in bad shape. We're going to repurpose it as well, but I need to put together uh strategic plan, but we do have looking at that part-time or a fire inspector down the road here and need an additional vehicle for them. So, that vehicle actually be repurposed. Um, but again, um, we can, uh, you know, work with Zach and figure out how that works. It's not like the wheels were falling off cuz you're talking to someone who like my last car made it to 300,000 miles and only got replaced cuz the AC went out on me and my I didn't have a good mechanic at that time. Um, and I sold it to someone who did have a good mechanic and got another 50,000 miles on that car. So I'm a drive it into the ground kind of person before. So there's a there's a and we've had this conversation in the past with council members. There's always a trade and balance of either you get nothing for it and you drive it in the ground which is fine. That's what we can do. And we end up going with a public I'll use the public for works model. If drive that thing on the ground it's worth zero bucks when you get done with it. Or you try to get some useful life out of it and go okay 10 years. Okay, it's still got a lot of useful life for I would say a normal person, you know, then then that's still worth I don't know 15 or 20 grand or something. So, you get something back. So, you're not spending 90 on it. You're only spending I don't know 70 or whatever the number is ends up being. Do we know what the mileage on it right now is? It's not that much. It's like a little over 50,000. Well, and it doesn't normally have maybe 200 in it, I would think. That's what And that's why kind of I have typically it's all about the hours. So like the number of hours they sit idle and they idle and that's what we have with the police department vehicles is you you see the mileage but it's really the hours that the engines on cuz it sits there and runs or whatever else. So like that's why we went to the lease vehicles of squads is because they sit there and run for hours and they don't move. We got rid of them. They just sit there and idle and idle and id and they'll have 9,000 hours of idle time and 50,000 miles. So part of it is that too. But we will look at see um and analyze if it's really needed in 27. Maybe we push out 28 or 29. Um this isn't a this isn't a make or break item. That's why it's in 27 a couple years though. Moving down um police. The only two things in police for this year are the again the taser lease which we've had um and then the squads and equipment that is that is leasing boy I think it's 10 vehicles at this point chief. Does that sound right? Correct. Okay. So that's leasing 10 new vehicles. Those are then replaced on a certain life. So what happens to them is we and um we are on a lease program with Enterprise. We then pay a monthly rate to rent um lease them. It's either a three year or a 5year depending on if it's an admin vehicle or if it's a squad um vehicle that's actually on the road. Unlimited mileage. They cover everything. Everything's under warranty the whole time, which is really really nice for us. And then um we hand it back to them and at the end of it they say it's supposed to be worth I don't know whatever amount of money 10 grand or 15 grand. If they sell it for more than that we get the credit for the above amount and it goes to the next lease payment on a monthly basis. So we are basing this on the highest rate per lease vehicle as in like we're expecting if they said that we're going to get 10 grand back we get 10 grand back. It doesn't go anywhere. It's wipes at zero. If they get less than that we still get the 10 grand credit. We don't lose any money. It's only uh basically a win or nothing kind of deal and this is more cost effective than way more cost effective. What we found out is that the repairs ends up being so much on the vehicles after I would say like 3 to four year range. And it's because of the hours that they sit there on idle that we end up spending we just spend what how much on that engine? Six or seven grand on an engine for a 2018 charger. Like it shouldn't have been that bad already and and totally shot. or we already spent one on a 2020 Durango. We bought that and now it needed a brand new engine. That was 9,000 bucks. That was last year. So, we ended up we what we end up seeing is that there ends up being more and more costly repairs and the lease covers everything and they're idle because you got we got 10 watts of 10 amps going all the electricity that it uses. Yeah. Um Narcan your medical bags with oxygen. Oh, that needs a temperature. Yep. Nan's temperature driven. So we have to keep them. They get they sit there and idle and idle and idle and that's what the problem. We see a lot of radiator issues lately. Yeah, I would imagine. So So they're literally idling. If if they're turned on to start your shift, they idle. So they But the Naran, how do you deal with Oh, cuz they're parked inside. They're Yeah. in the winter time or they're all inside so they don't control. But yeah, when it's on turns on for the start of shift doesn't shut off for 12 straight hours or longer. It ends up getting lots of hours on it if you're working. Are they working on an electric uh police vehicle? Um we they do have them. The only one that currently fits an officer is the Ford Lightnings. Okay. And I believe the Ford Lightnings might be going away. Yeah, probably what I kind of heard. The whole problem with the electric is they're drain. I mean, all that equipment has already for admin vehic use for admin vehicles than you do patrol. Okay, that makes sense. They're not going to work, which is fine. I'm just It feels like we we're obviously not the only city with that issue. You'd think someone somewhere would like try to tackle it, but Okay. It's been looked into, I assumed. Um and then so then next year would be our um for police where final year of the records management dollars being able to be allocated. It sounds like records management is just way behind schedule from we've allocated dollars for the last few years. So in 27 if we don't have a payment we've made yet we can kick that out another year. Um but for now we're planning on in 27 to have the final payment for records management. We've already allocated $90,000 for that as you can see in the two line items below that that are blue in color. Okay. um we already levied for those dollars and they're just sitting there waiting to be spent on records management. So we we just continue to identify them as they're already there. They're identified in a dollar amount that we aren't releving for them. That's why they're blue in color. I can update council about it too. Um so our records management system is currently LG um which was bought out by Central Squares. Um, Central Squares has now gave notice last year to all the LED departments that there's going to be an end date to it. So, we have to find a new records management system eventually. We don't know their their end date yet. Um, we had a big issue over Christmas where LAG was down for two weeks last year. Um, and Central Squares didn't come up with the reason why it went down and wouldn't tell us. Was very secretive. Um, so South Lake Minnetonka agreed to host our data. So, we're bringing all our data back from Central Squares and putting it into South Lake Minnetonka. We ran into a hiccup with Henipin County. Supposedly, that's all figured out. So, we're finally going to transfer all our data. And once it's transferred, we're going to start looking for a new records management system. um 14 cities are involved in our group. Um we kind of have an idea of what we're looking at, but it's probably three years out to go live. What it's looking at if we choose within this year, if we choose one, it's three years out to go live. And then adding two squads of that lease vehicle, the difference in price between the two years there is that's two. Yep. That's two vehicles. Each one of these years is two, correct? 239 is two. 272 is two. 327 must be three. Um 327 is a year where we have 3. Nope. No, it's just two. Should be Nope. That should be three. But we go from admin to Oh, let me pull it up here. It's kind of a partial one. Yep. And I know we're start replacement years. Yep. Then we start getting replacement years at that point. So I know that someone can get replaced and then so we'll have in 20 and 27 we'll have 11 and then in 20 um 2028 we have 12. The reason why it goes down the following year is because we only replaced we're replacing we're replacing a bunch. So that's why it went down in one year in 29 and then back up to 30. So every time we replace one, we may have to replace the equipment in them. So we have a dollar mount set about it's about 40 grand per vehicle to replace the equipment on them. Between radars and camera, cameras and computers and such is about 40 grand for each one. So So squad equipment is the lease and the equipment. Um yes. So we budget for equipment and the dollars when we guys see a payment come through for outfitting the vehicle or whatever that's included in the equipment and then we pay the lease to the enterprise. That's just that's one number in there. Yes. That's why most years are there might be a high year and then a low year is because of the how much new equipment if you need it. How many vehicles are you replacing cuz you might need new equipment every couple years or whatever. It depends how fast the radar goes out. We try to use as much equipment out the old squad as we do the new one. Um, our camera systems are starting to the older camera systems are starting to have issues. So, we're going to slowly start replacing them and I think they're eight grand a squad cameras. So, radars average about three grand. Um, computers about four grand. Um, so we're going to slowly start replacing some of the equipment that we've had in them since 2015. Why is the camera so expensive? Don't know because they can't because because they went from a different camera to a brand new camera. So now we got to pay like four grand more. This is the only gravel road we got left. No over here. Vixsburg streets of firm little. Yeah, you're right. We got a handful left. Not too many but a handful. So, moving out of public works, um, one replacement for a 26 is the replacement of the 2009. I'll tell you right now, I've personally seen that 2009, and it is in rough shape. I won't even give the $1,000 to that vehicle. It is horrible. Mileage, huh? Low mileage. I don't think so. That one doesn't have low mileage either. It's just got lots of rust and mileage. Um, so replacement of that. And then in 27, the hydraulic salt spreader. Um, we currently have one from Do you know when that is that we're replacing that one, right? Or is that an addition? That's a replacement of the 2008. Okay. And again, that one has the same problems with the whole rust issues. We're starting to get more, you know, maintenance bills on that. Um, a lot of that stuff because the diesel goes to cornerstone as well as some of the stuff we can't manage in in the house. And the 120 is the is the That's the salt spreader. Salt spreader. And the That's something we can't. That's the That's in the Looks like this. Yep. You got it. I don't know if we could fabricate up something that real nice. I don't know that we we we've done a lot of fabrication, but that's that's going to be difficult. It is. Oh, I see. Yeah, that's going to be difficult to fabricate. Yeah. So, hydraulics in there and stuff as Yep. We we we we try to fabricate when we can, but that one's going to be rough. And then a skid steer trailer. Um, that one is from Oh gosh. 2014. 2014. That's replacing that one, right? Is that one in bad shape, Marty? Um, it's a little It's undersized for the equipment that we got now. So, we bought it for the original skid steer that we bought, which was a smaller unit. The skid steers that we use now are much heavier duty than the original one. And we also have the bigger equipment like the mini excavator if we need to put something like that on there as well. So, uh that's the primary reason that it needs to be changed out. Y okay. Um one ton that's a replacement again of the 2012 the packer and the road raider which are in here and listed. um should be 2030. So, we're going to pass on those cuz those are actually get pushed out a couple of years. Um we don't use the road grader all that often from my understanding, but um I don't think we need a packer or a road graater as much as we need other items right now. This this stuff seems like it would be a prime candidate for borrowing from other cities or having we talked about a little bit about this in the past that it's not like it's going to be everybody needs to use it at once, but it just seems like obviously Champlain probably doesn't have We could certainly look into that. Um I think I know Corkran's got theirs, but they got 80 miles of gravel roads there still, so they theirs is in use all the time. Um, Rogers, I'm not sure about the availability of theirs. Um, okay. Maybe we want to talk because the road packer we don't have at all, right? We don't have one at all. Well, we don't have one of those. Um, it's been it's been on the CIP forever though and just keeps getting kicked out. Um, like it's not like you have to have Yeah, I have to. No, I mean, it just keep it it will, you know, save some of the gravel on the roads. It'll keep it compacted down. I mean, we use it a lot primarily be, you know, before we get the the um the dust control down. Um so we pack it down pretty well before that. Um we have borrowed them from other cities in the past, but um Sure. And we can maybe continue to borrow them too. Like the Titan Machinery up in Rogers. They don't even carry such a thing as a road raider, do they? Who? Sorry. I think it's Titan Machinery. Titan carries a road raider. I wouldn't think they would, but uh they I think there some of their stores would. I don't think the one here does. I mean, but they if they don't have it, then you can't rent it from Yeah, the construction companies generally, you know, get them out. They if they're renting, they'll rent it for the whole of summer season and stuff. So, that makes it kind of difficult. Yeah. So, those two will get pushed out to 2030. So, is there any plan on paving the remaining gravel roads in the city? Well, now you're now you're talking that's what I thought it I know. But now you're talking 1.52 million bucks. Yes. But I'm just saying like if we keep pushing it out at a certain point they may get paid before it ever gets purchased. So happen someday. Possible. Y if that's the direction of the council that you me to do there. I don't know. I I being new I didn't know where and if any of those roads were on any schedule. of them are planned to be only only one is a through road zanthus and I don't know how often that's traffic I'm looking at Marty and Paul on that one of how often that's traffic besides not much there that's why I asked about I thought zan zanth was the only one but when you mention it there's a few stubs but there's not that many through roads besides zanth the last one is replacing your utility body sign truck that was from 2000 or 1999. So, a lot of these items are just items that we've had and held on to and used for a long time that we're trying to get upgraded and more reliable. Um, but that sign truck can't have many miles on it either. We use it twice two or three times a year. Well, we bought it used. Yeah, we bought that used. We bought it used. Oh, so um Yeah, it's got That's not the thing with the bucket on. No, no, that's not the thing with the bucket. It's the the machine. We bought that used though, too. Yeah. the old deal on that. It's the old white Chevy with the the hoist on the side of it that we use for a lot of different things. They use it all the time. They don't even use it for I mean they use it for signs, but these Yeah, we use it for signs and you know the parks crew use it for towing mowers depend on what the other equipment is being used for and stuff. So, it's a good general purpose tool and it's got you know a lot of tools on board of it for various situations. But yeah, if we get this this one, it's a newer one. It gives us a lot more towing capacity than we have with the existing. So those are the updates for the fund 401 or basically anything in your CIP1 pages. Anybody have any questions about anything we talked about? We can go back and discuss any of them. Otherwise, we move on to the next funds. Don't look at the what do I call the third pages or second pages of each one of the funds because I did not have time to update any of those numbers for actual cash flows. They're all from last year numbers and such. So, I need to The only thing I updated was what the actual 2024 numbers were um which came from the audit anyways. But I will update all of those like I said and have that out to you guys and gals by next week on Friday. Can you back over the Yep. Explain the the details around the engine tender funding. Engine tender funding. Yep. So, we had um we sold engine 11 from station one cuz $47 $427,500. Yep. Then we had then we sold utility 21. That was kind of the box looking heavy rescue truck that we had. Um again, it was older, so we didn't we were seeing repairs on it or seeing that repairs could be needed. So, we sold it sold that for 120,000. Those were both sold in 2024. one in February, one in July, and then we said, well, we're going to replace the tanker anyways because we needed a tanker anyways. And that that's in the budget there, $475. So that gives you a,22,500. We paid 1.186 934 million. We banked 20 or banked 50,000 of that in 2025. And then we will bank again another in that 1.02 02 0 million or whatever. Last year 1 million we banked $50,000 toward the tanker engine tanker and $100,000 toward the um ladder and then we'll do the other 50,000 and then the remaining bit in 27. So 50,000 in 27 and or 26 and then in 27 we'll do the last 14,434. And how about I think this would help. Do we obviously you guys do I mean we have no idea but things that are put on the CIP levied for but never got bought. What what fund or what box do we where I'm going with that is I think we may have to dig into that box. Um, we may have to if I I will do some research on getting what those numbers are. Most of the stuff that we have had on the CIP we've purchased. However, there have been some items that we may have gotten for less or more money. Um, and I started tracking this last year, I believe. So, I have a spreadsheet that I've been just tracking, but I have not gone further back than 24. Um, and I could do that. What makes it look a little weird right now in that fund is it it's negative. And the reason why it's negative is because we said we're going to get that future money of the 475 in 2026. So, we'll prepay 1.186 million even though we only had um $547,000 in the bank for those two sales. So, we basically put out $600 some,000 and then we said we'll get it back over time and the future leveies and we have um we have pulled cash. So, our cash sits in one bank account and everyone just has what they call a draw or an allocation to that money. So, we have I don't know 28 million or $30 million worth of cash in investments and then every fund has an allocation of that money, but it sits in one account. So, one one fund being negative means another fund is positive and that nets each other out like the signs. I mean, we levied money for signs and there's a couple hundred grand sitting there for sure. Yep. And that's in a different fund. But, yes, but it's in the same bank account. Yes, you got it. And I'm not saying I mean Yep. We could look at signs as long as there's there not no $50,000 signs. I'm thinking five or 10. Couple of sticks and some lights will work. Right. Five or 10. Five or 10 bucks. Like the ones at public work. That sign right at public works. That's good. So that at the last meeting there was a discussion and approval to replace the fire tanks at public works because of the cracks. Yes. Yep. And so where where does that money come? That'll come out of the capital facilities fund. So that would come out of Yeah, it'll come out of 410 capital facilities fund, which would be something that come up whether that's signs money or previously allocated levy money that we didn't have an allocation for. Um, which is what ended up having in fund 410 is we had it up and that's what we talked about. I think it was last year I believe we discussed and said we should bring that down because we're not using it for anything. we shouldn't be levying for it to continuing levying for it. So that's where that will come from. Okay. So we on those bigger items we try to use those yes we use fund 410 versus uh the general fund operations budget which is doesn't have there's no way it has that much money in there to be able to fund that. So that's sort of repair maintenance of that item. Now the smaller ones we cover out of the general fund like if a engine or whatever that comes out of repair and maintenance out of the general fund. Well there's repairs and maintenance and yes most of those budgets. Yes. I mean, I understand that you would have anticipated that. So, yeah, that one was is way too much to cover in the general fund. So, that has to come out of capital facilities. It's just no way to cover the general fund. And is it easier? Is it easier for you guys? I'll be the mouse in the corner. Is it easier for you guys because right now you're basing your things on the 19%. What what if you're told I mean I think you basically had the idea that most everybody was in that seven six to eight area. Mhm. What happens if it's eight? Then we got to figure out what we can do to get it back to where we're at with eight. Kind of to me that's rather than spending too much time on I hope we get this. Maybe you should know the number so that you can really direct your time where you got to have it. That's what I'd love to have. It'd be great. And like I said, the reason why I asked for the number is, okay, can we hit that number right away? That's always been the goal. If we can't, well then either it's a council direct item. So like part of the thing is planning for the ladder truck. We we wanted to plan for that. Now, if we don't want to plan for that anymore, we could take away 300 grand out of that um right $1.3 million number. And now we're not asking for an increase in that fund. But now we still got to figure out the ladder truck eventually, whatever that is. Some of them are council direct items. Um, and that's why I broke it down on the last council meeting of okay, here's what's items are needed as in based on plans or requirements based on union contracts and everything else is essentially additional and then here's what we had. And so that's what we try to do as staff is okay here's what give us a number of what you're thinking about for council's perspective which is good and then staff will work on how do we get that to work as best we possibly can and if and if it comes down to something where we don't know of an answer then we give it back to the council say here's what we have right it's your turn to make the decision of what we want to do and what we need to do but at that point they start horse treat we have to yeah I mean that's between yeah they got they between them they got to decide do I want the utility trucker. I don't want Yeah, whatever. You got it. It's just the way it is. You got it. That's what happened last year. Was it last year or two years ago when it's two years ago? We said, "Okay, we need to get I don't remember how much it was, 150,000 bucks. Where are we cutting it from?" And it was this bay and this little bit and that little bit. Here's how we made it work. It came back to council said, "Here you go. Here's a number. It made it work." That was last year. That was the uh oops on the tent thing. Oh, that was a Yeah, maybe it was 400 something,000 bucks, whatever. Yeah, that was last year. It was a big chunk. Yep. 400 and something. Last year was big cuts. Yes, it was. The year before we we It was a little bit. It was like 70 grand or something. 60 grand or something. We had to figure out baby cuts. Those are Yeah. I mean, if you cut five, six, seven grand from each line item or department or whatever, we can nitpick and Okay, this little bit here, this little bit when you're talking a million dollars, that's not that ain't little cuts. That's We're taking some serious hide here at this point. So, anything else on fund 401? I do want to get to the other funds as well. At least a little bit. We don't have we we are not going to get through all these right now. I'm just going to let you know. Um I'm going to skip park development, park dedication, park capital, and trails. The reason I'm skipping those ones is because those all relate to non levy dollars. Um we will talk about them, but I want to touch base on levy dollars first. And we'll go to capital facilities will be the next one, which is in fund 410. and fund 410. We are not asking for actually it's actually a $20,000 decrease in the levy from um 2025 to 2026. The only one that's in there currently for 26 or 27 is the fire training facility which is city grand. I'm not sure what the council's perspective on that is. Along with signs again, one of which is for gateways and parks, which we again haven't been using, and the activity center again in 2027. Well, you know, the fire training facility, even even if we get that grant, I'm still not convinced it makes any sense. So I I sure I mean we asked for for support from other communities and we got we got lots of emails. Yeah, we got emails saying Yeah. Yep. Yep. I want dollars. Yeah. How many dollars did that spend? So I just I I'm not there until we know what cash flow is. Yeah, I would agree. It didn't it did not cash make this into the bonding bill. It did not. Well, we didn't get anything. We requested it again. Every year we've requested it and it's been But it's the water tower. Yeah, it's with the water tower and everything else. It gets in the ditch. Yep. And we made it again next year. So for 26, I already put it in. So So we can keep it again till 27 or Oh, the fire training facility. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it's No, I mean the the state just didn't budget for the next two years and it's not in there. So So the bonding years are always on even years historically. That's Yeah, this year they will still occasionally throw bonding out, but yeah, eventually they have I mean they it seems like every year now it's a binding year. It's just there's a there's bigger big bonding and a little bonding. Is that something that we want to see further out? I I don't know. But because again I I can't even see a test line if we did the 1.5. No, we can't. That's me personally. Y um and no shots at nobody. I would rather before we before we have this I want to everybody's happy with the fire department. Good luck. Good. There's got to be a way to make it work. There has to be. Every other city is doing it. With what part's concern? I don't know if every city's happy with their fire department. Depends on when you ask them and what you do with it. And calls and whatever. I mean, we don't even have a clear defined schedule on who goes to what call. And to me, that's an issue. We do have to clean that. What do you mean? What? I guess I need to better understand what you're talking about. If that bell rings right now, do you know if you got three people going or 10? I don't know. I don't have a clue. See, the issue that I have with that is we spent we spent $141,000 on calls last year and maybe maybe we only need to needed to spend 90 or 120. I don't know the number. I have no idea what% Well, the so the problem that we have is that we work with a part-time or paid on call group of firefighters and they have full-time jobs. And so therefore, we have to have, you know, say 30 firefighters to we put the call out. We don't have that many though, right? We have like we have 28 28 including Kevin and I. 26. Okay. How many do you have going through academy right now? Four. That's included. They're done with that right now. Um they're going into that does not include the new ones that that's the new brand new. The brand new ones we'll have for hopefully. I see. Yeah. that are starting in the fall. Just fingers crossed that they make it through and correct. Right now we're pretty close on those. But three or four. So the reality is is we have to have the numbers to put an all call out so we can we know that we get the number hasn't changed. So the raw data that I given to to Zach that sent out before I was here, we're still getting about six to six and a half firefighters for the last since 21 that we have good data versus boxes of paper where they didn't track it the same. So I know a lot of council members to include Scott has said make them come. Well, I can't make them come. No, I'm not saying make them come, but to me, I ran some numbers. If you have a schedule where you need four firefighters for to cover 14 hours, they know on Tuesday from 5 to midnight, I that's my day. That's the only day you got to come for that weekend. That's the duty crew model that I presented at council that council doesn't want to do. You're off topic. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to talk about the fire training facility. And is this a need or a want? The fire training facility. Yeah. So, I'm going to be honest with you, it depends. It's a it's a it's a want. However, we don't have any work to to train currently for our firefighters. And so, I know we're training expensive want. Yep. And that's why it would we would look at getting a grant for that because of there's also the cash flows of can we we would be able to so we ran this and I could send this as well that they have a training facility. Yeah. Place they have Witcher with that day training. I'm sure you can go to them and say hey what if we instead of building a training facility. I know you will disagree with this but at some point we need to take responsibility for ourselves and actually do stuff within our own community. Okay. So yeah, it's just really expensive. It is really expensive. I don't disagree. So we did run a cash flow on that to show, okay, what would happen if we were able to cuz we would then we wouldn't be using 24/7. We all know that. Um we'd have other departments use utilizing it. So currently there's two fire training facilities you can use in the metro area. One is in East Metro. Yeah, East Metro. And then one down in Ael the Able facility down in Burnsville. Okay. Um, so you can utilize those two if it's not being booked. So we end up being booked on Sundays is when we end up having to go. And um, what happens is we then rent them out for x number of dollars a month. It's typically 250 bucks an hour. We could rent out our facility for 250 bucks an hour to any department that wants to use it. Um, at the facility that we would put up, we ran the numbers and I don't think it cash flowed until a few years out. Okay. I think it was like three or four years out, something like that. And at that point depends on how many people use it. If it's used a lot, so we anticipated zero usage at the beginning and then people would utilize it more and more as it was um out more and more. Then it would it does cash flow. It's another way to offset tax levy dollars. Yeah. Um which is what we looked at it from as well along with a place to have our firefighters train somewhere. Right now they either train in the parking lot of either station. Um we've used them at public works. We've had them trained there with um FAO and um fire apparatus operator stuff. Actually, we have to use the building. Okay. Yeah. So, we've used other businesses, which has been kind of them. They don't have to allow us to do that. Um or we rent facility space or we end up in in classroom, which I'll tell you right now, most of the firefighters in the department probably don't love looking at a screen or saying, "Hey, that looks nice to do. I would like to do that with my hands and I can't do that." So, this number here does not include land, correct? It does not. No. So land would be an additional expense on top of the idea would be that we would try to combine it into another property somewhere. That was it says city/grant. Is that grant like done or is that just a whole that's why it's always in there. We don't have a grant set. So it's always been just pushed out one year until we get that grant. Okay. And that's hopefully to get a 50-50 grant and that was used through bonding dollars. Okay. Ah, that's the grant in question is bonding. Yeah, that's what we've utilized. No, if we could find a different grant. I wasn't sure what the grant is. I thought that was fully fully granted. That was a 50/50 grant. Yes, it would only be cash flow. Um, it would cash flow. It What you gave us had none of the 1.5 in there and it barely cash flowed? No, it didn't. It didn't have any of the 1.5. No. So, if we have to kick in 750, the sink goes in the ditch and stays there. And even like I said, even with I could try the 1.5 um we still have to get buy in. I think you had said from five different municipalities. Um that's what we tried to get. We just tried I just use five as a number. I mean five hours five. I think it was like I can't I gota I think they were saying like 400 hours but we couldn't get anybody to commit to any hour. Well, yeah, they won't. I just it sent emails and say, "Yeah, that sounds great." But anyway, that's where I am in that. I mean, I'd kick it out to I don't want it in 28 because there's already 28. It's just going to keep coming back. That's Huh. Well, to me, it could be out into the 2030. Nope. So, I had it in here. Other um other property grant was if we got a grant for 2.5 million. Otherwise, if we did no property, if we did Yeah. already send this out to you so you have the no grant versus grant dollars and you can figure out I mean it does cash flow so it just takes a lot without a grant it takes a lot longer to get there obviously than it would be if you if you bought a piece of property for a million dollars it doesn't cash flow in seven years eventually cash flows but it takes a long time the original was how would it ever recover that million and a half over number of hours of use eventually it would if you got enough people renting the facility. I can see that it would, but we don't have any commitments from nobody. And I mean, they're probably and I get it. Not Trust me, I'm not trying to get to Bob or nothing. I get it. I mean, if you build it, maybe they'll come. Yep. But nobody wants to commit. Yeah. So, we had It's hard to build. The highest number of hours we had for usage was 20 hours a week for 50 weeks a year. Yeah. Which is not very many hours a week. I'll be honest with you. thousand $1,000 a year that we had for to me it doesn't it doesn't fly period if without the state money. Yep. And that's what we've always kind of utilized. It's a that's two years. I mean they they just did their annual budget, right? I mean something could happen next year, but there's there's nothing there. In my head, there's nothing going to happen for two years on this and so it needs to move out of these fun. Okay. 2028 sounds like a at least we can go to 2030 whatever you guys are whatever the council wants piling up on 28 I getting piled in lots of it on there but realistically it's not happening without the state money and it's not that means it's not happening for at least two years okay 28 um or longer looking for council direction I mean 28 is packed what all helps what all helps that is when some of that tiff money comes back in but that's not until like 2030. We want to do longer. So 2030. That's what I'd say. But for the council, I would recommend keeping it in there. I'm just wondering if it's kind of a I'll say a package. That's not what I mean, but I don't have better words for it, but if the idea wasn't to have it be a standalone, right? It was to have it be with a station or with something else. Correct. Yeah. We the the initial was to use the triangle pock property or tax. So we didn't put a a a value for property with it because that was the original intent or it could be put with the the 10 acres that the city had already purchased on 117. So my question then is is we've got that third not third we have another the other fire station in 2031. So, could that all essentially be they're two separate items, but they're actually together then at the same time, right? Like, wouldn't that make more sense? Although, I have a I'm choking on the $20 million, but I'm just saying that if it's supposed to be one thing, I'm wondering why we have it in 2026 and we've got the actual where it would be in 2031. At some point, there's going to be a great big bond for some. No, I I hear you. I just should they not be in the same year? They can be old. The idea is that we need a training facility as soon as we can. So, yeah, if we can get it, great. That's always in 26. Okay. But if we can't get it, then we can always do it, you know, with that same facility, then. Yes. Okay. So, I'm fine with putting in the same year. If that's what you want to do, I'm good with it. To me, if you bond 20, you might as well bond 30 and do more. Well, I don't know. Rogers just put theirs in for 11 and it's really nice. 11 million. Whatever. Yeah, it's a really nice 20 material. 2030 2031 it's got to be at least after or when no sooner than when that other station is built if that's going 2030 20 right currently 2030 has nothing so well so you just well I don't think you build the training facility before you had a station there 2031 it is I mean it's going to move yeah we're just going to I'm leaving if it comes in a binding bill sooner great if not okay that's um that's Only thing we have 27 we have those signs again and we budgeted every year for signs and again having used it. So we don't have anything budgeted for 26 now in the capital facilities that is a put that zero in there. The council wants to bring I would recommend not bringing that levy down to zero but we can maybe reallocate it. I don't know whatever you want to do for the capital facilities because there is capital facilities fund is technically has zero expenses this year. Yeah. And $200,000 worth of levy going into it. So, are you recommending we stay the same or what are you Oh, I see what you're saying. I would recommend us keeping it the same. Well, we can maybe discuss the council. Yes. Do you want to do something with the horse trading, but these are This is 410 is a levied fund. 410 is a levied fund. Yeah. Right now, it has $200,000 right in the thing you see in there. It's just 300,000 but or 220, but that's not right. How much of that doesn't it say 190 then that was for the training facility? Oh, got it. Got it. Got it. Well, there was whatever with $200,000 would be and then the rest would come out of reserves from previously levy dollars that we never spent for signs or for the remodel of city hall. Trying to understand what what's new of that number that we've now pushed out. What was of the 280 new levy dollars that is in the budget that you We did not put any new levy dollars in the capital facilities fund for 2026. We kept it at the same number which was So changing this changes nothing nothing chang unless we want to remove the levy out of the capital facilities because we have no expenses in there and then move it to some other fund essentially which we could do. What levy? The the 190 um the levy that so yeah so right now in 2025 we levied $220,000 in that fund. In 26 we now have no expenses in that fund whatsoever. The capital uh the fire trading facility had a 750,000 $750,000 number. 200,000 or whatever 200,000 of that 750 was supposed to be paid for by new levy dollars and then 550 would come from previously levied dollars for signs or remodel of city hall or whatever maybe but if you leave that 200 there it puts zero to the levy yes that's so for now that's what I mean I would say leave it there if you take it down to zero you're going to need it if you take zero take it down to zero now it's negative 200 but then that 200,000 will then move into the general fund and then that's harder to get back into that capital fund later on. You got it. Okay. I don't know to be honest. I don't know if we have enough time for payment management. I do want to hit on it just slightly because we don't have any major things besides we pushed out territorial road improvements which is the portion from the parkway to Brockton. That would be where Adessa is. We pushed that out one year. We had planned on doing it in 26. We pushed it out to 27. We are going to look at having that done with the developer and our assessments. We did an assessment process um this year in 25 to do that project in 26 and the assessment value came back as not enough. Essentially, it was I'm going to use short terms because Jason's looking at me going, "Yeah, it was terrible." There wasn't enough assessment value to be able to provide us with a bond to be able to do that project. And so we're going to look for a developer to help us out with that. There is a developer on the far east side that's next to Brockton where the there's a currently a sign on um billboard that wants to develop their property. We're going to look to them to help us out with that project to help out with the assessment gap we have. So right now we look to say we can do 100 100% assessments. There wasn't enough assessments to be able to go around with the value. So we said we'll scrap the project until we can get the developer come in. The developer has expressed interest to us. We've had a conversation with them, but they aren't ready to go yet. And so we look to them to be able to help us out with that project. The only thing that may change, and it's on discussion tonight, is that the South Diamond Lake Road project is 1.4 almost 115 that that we already have the money for. Yep. We're possibly looking to add to that with the 125th and East Ranch Lake Road. And that is about seven or eight one million complete. So that's going to make that project about 1.9 total 1.8. Add the two together. If you add the two together. Yep. Which means we're going to be about 350 400 short. That would So we have MSA dollars paying for the south of the road one. Yeah. Oh, okay. Um so that's 100% pundited for for the south of the road one. And so that's what 800 some,000 bucks. So there's there's So then Yeah. So then we have and then we budgeted $800,000 in 25 to do that project. So essentially it's should be hopefully a wash. Right. The other one we want to talk about and we added in here are the two intersection improvements on Fernbrook 117th and 114th in there. Brush Creek Parkway is also in there at 27. Our goal is to get the county to move and do them all at one time because logistically it makes a whole lot of sense to do all of them at one time than it does to do individual ones and we're shutting down the road partially here and partially there and doing this get it done. Makes no sense to us to do that. And also I think from a getting all your stuff there part of like that's why we got hit with that one right cuz we had to pause and they took all their stuff and then we had to pay to restart it again. Thank you. I couldn't think of the word. So, it seems like we'd save money by doing them all at one time. Yep. We do not have all the funding available for the problem we have is we don't have all the funding. Um, the county has does not have it on their 5year or 10ear CIP items. So, this is going to be a hard push. We're going to keep it in 27. Do I think we're going to be able to do all those projects in 27, which is 11.4 million? The answer is no. we are going to have to push it, but if we continue to have an idea of it every couple of years, we can always continue to push it out another year as long as it's a couple years out. Um, and know that we're going to need to pay for it. Now, not all of those projects are needed to be paid for by the city, but only going to have so much money to go around. However, um, we're going to have to prioritize at some point. What do we want to do? 114th is still developer. That's all developer paid. That is correct. at least currently one of the three of them in my mind that's the least important personally but also point I've heard that's of the three or even that the the 117th we're are we thinking that assuming DCM gets through it's going to kick in 700 of that or do we have any clue? Um I don't know if they're going to kick in any of it. Um, we're going to try to push as much as we can, obviously, to try to get dollars out of the project. We have the ability to go after county funding, participation funding, which is $500,000 per intersection. Um, which helps. Huh. It's listed per project. We're hopeful they'll apply it per intersection. We're hoping that Yeah. So, that would be the one benefit to do them as three separate projects is we could technically go after that way this way. Kevin said per intersection. That's what he told me. Well, we'd like to say that, but when we say it as one big project, now it might be limited by it. So, again, that's a little bit of money. It's not a lot of it. Um, and we're continuing to that question. That's um there's a lot of expenses at 27 for that payment management fund and we know we want intersection improvements. problem is we need a willing partner to be able to help out and right now I don't know if that's the county or if it's us going to be a decision for somebody else. Do we have any question? I wanted to hit on those few funds first. Everything else is either related to fees that come in from development um or uh donation dollars. So we will have a further conversation on CIP most certainly in the future likely on the 22nd of July. A conversation about budget whenever you need and I will get an updated one of these out to you guys by next Friday. So that should be out next Thursday. Remind me again when this all happens. September September 1st meeting in September. September 13th 12. I'm leaving for 23 days. You're leaving for 23 days? Okay. What days are you gone? From the from the 19. Yeah, they did. You could. I don't think you want to be. Not from India. I'm not going to we will uh yeah we will visit this obviously again and again and again and hopefully we can get to something in September that we are good with and we can that feels like a threat. No, but it just we need direction. It's the reality though. Reality. Any other questions before we Thank you very much for sitting through this. I know that it's a lot. So we're Thank you.