for e e e 9724 we are in session call to order Ed seven members including two council members five members of the Dayton business community and residents of the Dayton will be business Andor Economic Development expertise CU now we have a new Dave on our Group which is a uh we'll get to that uh each is with an interest in promoting an economic growth with and development of the city of D we hold No Agenda other than the agenda of the city and or the agenda of this group Eda shall have powers and duties and responsibility set forth Minnesota State Statute 46990 to 46910 181 approval of agenda anybody motion to approve second all in favor I I all opposed motion carries consent agenda approval minutes of 20 August 20th 2024 maybody get a chance to read through all that look make sense to you okay then I'll need a motion on that I'll second I'll okay we're good I'll make a motion what first second we got it all in favor all opposed cons sent agenda Carri just open for we have someone in our audience I see that the only one who isn't out there to try and get us in litigation for the last two years so anything maybe you want to come up and tell us what you what you what you're doing you can certainly do that it's your Podium it's open form right open for yeah does it matter I don't think I need to come up and tell us what you want to do I mean you're here this is your this is your this is what you're going to be in front of the people if you're running right name and address right go go ahead Stephanie Henderson 1450 Magnolia Lane North in Dayton Minnesota um I'm just here to learn and to listen and to see kind of how the meetings go I watch them online but I've never been to one in person so I think it's different being in person than it is just watching from home after so that's what I'm doing here we'll try to keep you awake I don't think I'm going to fall asleep pretty jazzed up had some coffee anyone else SC up for thanks for coming up we don't L is like royalty when we get all one person here sorry nobody's ever here okay anyone else Ro for is there anybody online looking to get in no I understood we now close up and for and we'll the old business move it okay is that somebody rolling in there we go there we go okay I see it good yes all right introduction of Dave Anderson member new member Super Dave 2 super Dave three whichever one I don't know was preceded me so what if you give us a background of some uh Kung Fu youve done in the past sure um again my name is David Anderson actually grew up in Wisconson small town um went to uh technical school in O Clair and then of course everybody runs to the Minneapolis St Paul area because that's where the jobs are for itch um so I moved here in 1976 uh started with a small company in brooken center and uh eventually in 1989 was named the president of that company at 34 and I was working with a consultant at the time and uh in early 1990 we bought the company it was about a million dollars in sales and we ran that company for 28 years uh I sold it in8 and we' grown it to 25 million had 150 employees three locations uh one in Fort Collins Colorado one in uh woi um China and and of course our headquarters in Brooklyn Center over off Shingle Creek um since then I've been doing a lot of Consulting in the in the Transformer industry in my industry uh Precision what my company was a up in the top 95th percentile of of Manufacturers that did this kind of work in the United States um and uh not unlike the Eda we had our association the Transformer Association and I served on their board for eight years including two years as president and two years as as um past president and and still uh are quite invited to those meetings I'm an honorary membership I'm the only one that they have so it's it's uh with good learning experience during my tenure as a president we increased our membership from uh 75 to 100 people you know so it's very very important you know and uh so there's a lot of challenges deal with people different ideas so I think that you know having the struggle with finding employees in the business growing the sales uh belonging to an organization like the TTA you know I have a lot of experience in this you know I guess you'll see but um uh Tim asked if I would serve and uh I thought about it thought this would be a good way to give back to the community I've been I was built here in 19 92 so I've been here 32 years and uh I I love dating there's a lot of goofy things with Dayton but uh nevertheless uh you know I continue to consult for for Transformer companies one in California one in Germany uh plus I have suppliers that uh seek my opinion and customers because our industry is changing or is changing so much in the last five years the pandemic you know 2008 was very hard on on this and in China is you know it's electronic so our customers are all the customers that that Dayton is interested in Boston Scientific metatronic Graco was a big customer uh um Alliant Tech big customer um the train company so you know all big industrial and medical companies high-tech all high-tech well I hope to tap into that expertise well um my neighbor uh Todd uh passed away here and he was starting his own business which been a perfect business for Dayton but I reminded him that uh he's not selling product you know he'd come up with this idea and he thought it was just great and I asked him what he's charging for and I said you're nuts you know you you need to checked it up well it only cost me and I said no this is you got to understand you're selling Solutions and that's what the Eda is I think you know any any organization you know what task was solving coming up with solutions for for development in in the uh in the city so that's kind of my my take on things so we'll see how it goes sure okay well we hold things kind of loose around here we don't we have R RS in general but you know we try not to step on anybody so we have a conversation that ain't run like some councils to sure good okay thanks Dave and thank you for uh allowing me the privilege to uh come and sit here today and don't think it's yet it might not like it you may run out of here I'll I'll I'll stick it out for a while okay any questions for today we good to go all right 2024 we are in section 5B review of the 2024 Eda goals now John tell us why we're uh on this one uh we been struggling to figure out what we're going to talk about and this seem to be a good one so in our bylaws it does uh require that the Ed discuss goal or goals I think it was twice a year as well as present no I think I want to say it's to present to the council twice a year as far as progress on goals uh so as you mentioned the goals were 2024 goals were created and I believe was November 2023 and then discussed this past April um I don't believe we've discussed it since then so the idea uh the intent I should say is this is just kind of a progress from our view as staff of how we've done since April and generally speaking we haven't done a lot so uh be very clear on that but the thought was is to go over each of these goals that were created in 20 originally in November 2023 um in the packet we also have the Eda strategic plan that was adopted in 2022 as kind of a reference um so I'm looking forward into next year I guess you know one question that that I'll have for you is if you want to continue to make goals every year if you want to work off of the 2022 strategic plan this originally started with erts and socials where we made that big to-do about the goals and sessions and correct yes yeah I I was not there for yeah Ellers you weren't here right right well I think this is what we were doing uh if anybody wants to review these or say a change or do a change I mean we can fast forward this I mean I think just for the people that new like Dave what I recall was we did the we had this uh the Strategic plan and then we picked certain items out of the Strategic plan because there weren't there's way too many to try to focus on and we put those into goals and then of course the progress against those goals has been somewhat limited I mean there's a few we've made some progress on um and part of that probably just getting organized like uh getting the uh attorney as well as the real estate brok broker but I mean I I think it's always good to have goals and to work toward those goals so whether they whether we keep these and continue to work toward these or whether we develop new ones uh you know things change and priorities change and I mean I know like the one of the goal here was the historic village which we kind of had those sessions and we actually did make some progress on it although nothing you know nothing came out of it so speak we had the meeting remember and got the input and essentially decided to do nothing in the historic village basically it's where we ended up nothing in terms of New Economic Development okay so that was uh so I'm just saying I think goals are good whether we keep these or develop new ones and monitor progress to them I think that's good thing copy that D yeah I actually had a couple questions allers are they a a consulting firm that the city's hired to assist and so that they came and and helped outline how to do a strategic plan and and then you followed the input and they they came up with the document they hearded the cats yeah okay um second of all I think gos are very very important and I I think that yes they Chang I don't know how much the uh uh hanpin County uh you know and the Metropolitan Council how much effect they have on Dayton a lot you know a lot I would imagine that that they do you know um I'm sure that we've you know always been interested in the uh in the the new uh bridge that everybody's been talking about for 30 years you know but I'm sure that the state certainly if they're going to put that in they they want to have a say in a lot of things I I don't know but I'm just assuming and then of course I lived um in Brooklyn Park for many years and watched 610 that development come all the way through and and and uh that seems to be very interesting how they they handled all of that sure you know 610 and I don't know in detail the history of it but um I mean when I moved up to the Twin Cities 610 was just a you knew it was there but it looked like a power line ement there was nothing built yeah I used to sneak around I had a friend Co raid so sneak over the bridge um and drive on the dirt before it was open but that only happened a couple times and the rumors started flying how much it was going to cost you if you got caught so so any changes you'd want to add to this or are you okay with liking our goals cuz they really haven't changed much other than we should probably get our funding back as a group I think on the the goals are good I mean I pointed out in the in there that you know a lot of them we haven't made much progress on and I think part of it is we're not focusing on it but part of it also is there I think we could use a little more refinement on some of them I would just pick one out at random here but the D was utilize Regional Trail corridors as opportunities for economic development that's a pretty broad category I think and maybe we need to think about well what are we going to do with that something specific goal that we can we can work on and and try to accomplish um rather than something kind of a broad category do you have an input on that I don't WR off the top of my head no but um but I think if we continue with these goals we should talk about more specifically what are we trying to accomplish with each of them how do we do that just start just just kick it in and go and okay so we we know we want to do some more definitions and you have no definition to add at this time not at this point we want to add that I maybe we' want to do a work session on these goals and refine them but like even number one I think if I recall we established the 2% Loan program for businesses up from 5 to 50,000 I don't think any businesses taken us up on that we probably haven't promoted it very well but that does exist I believe yes the one question I would have there is are we talking 2% above prime or 2% period 2% period that's what we said yeah because right now we're getting almost 5% on on the what on the funding that we have yeah so in my mind subsidizing in my mind you're going to really want to look at that yeah I mean it's costing you money well and I think we we established this when interest rates were quite low so maybe what we want to do is revisit that and say it's like you said % I mean like 1% above Prime right now is almost what six probably probably six six or seven but the um I mean it's probably something to revisit so we're not fully subsidizing but I think part of the idea of this one was to give businesses a very attractive essentially uh opportunity to upgrade and then I remember discussions when we talked about this was like even like the PDQ you know getting a facelift for that and you know somehow providing resources to have that done or help them get that done yeah so $50,000 doesn't go very far you know my interpretation of this is generally this is going to be smaller businesses that can't get uh loans from anybody else mhm well and at the time obviously our funds are pretty limited I mean they still are somewhat but um we got a zero that's pretty limited well no on our budget that's 650 got 670,000 70 or something yeah that's your funds that's your total 689 th000 I think so I think it's a fair point that the interest rate is really low but we have no takers right I don't think anybody knows it's even there well that's that's where I was going is that I think maybe our goal needs to be to raise awareness that it's available John do we have a ed profile on on Facebook City site what's our page uh we have a a so we do have a page on our website like you many other uses I don't know how active it is or how many people look at it I would imagine it's very very few then we should update that with the current stuff or do we want I know we have an app as a city yeah do we have a sub page under that it's yeah there's a Eda members thing so so I I can look at so essentially what what you're asking is we can push this as being available on social media and through our public channels yeah Dave make sense to you yeah Dave's Dave one Dave to we kind going to do that you guys both be up at the same time all right that makes sense to you guys more awareness then definitely more but I do you think we should just review these in a I mean maybe not in this meeting but in a work session at some point and try to decide you know do we need to refine them do we need to drop some do we need to I mean to me maybe more than five goals for sure I think we got six here but I mean usually two to three is enough to in a year to focus nine oh uh that's in the strategy though remember we picked five I think of the nine I think on the actual goal document there's five isn't there 1 2 3 four nine five oh six no I say six six then the Strategic document there's nine I think yeah and we got nine or we got six let's see official reading because I see nine he see six on this document right here says six okay and then the Strategic document has more but if I recall the exercise we took the Strategic document had the same conversation that you know there's too many damn goals to focus on all of them so we kind of looked at what we thought was more realistic near term and I think that's where we came up with six I'd argue six maybe even is too many but um so I I'm going to take that a step further I I guess from my experience in in working with um you know I'm going call it revolving loan programs is that that gets pushed out more effectively by word Mount so it's where you know staff might be aware of a small business that is struggling financially and we can say you know we've got this program that's available to you um right now we we haven't done that we don't do a lot of proactive Outreach and so that's one direction that I want Hayden and I to go work towards um so in one of these goals we have is for Eda members to go out and visit businesses and and to um see how they're doing so to speak and and I guess what what I would like is for Hayden and I to do that so um so some Network that be awesome yes okay all right guys go Network that was quick was it yeah okay no I'm just playing uh yeah then let's do it let's let's make sure that our presence is back up on the web and let's make sure our presence on the the book and whatever social media we can muster so that everybody knows that we're we're in this but we should probably review that interest rate yeah I think gu should I mean it's whatever is in anybody's opinion I mean you're going to lose about 3% on that money if you uh loan it out yes and again the intent is that we're not making money on it we're we're providing breaking even if that oh yeah so you're even subsidizing I mean in Eon Economic Development you're almost in a lot of cases you're subsidizing the the development so to speak okay well we still want to make this a subsid I mean whether two% still right in the current current environment I don't know but maybe it's four you know or whatever it is we think where it is even at four you're still going to be covering one mhm basically if you can at Prime what do other cities do uh so my last City I worked for it was a forgivable loan so and they had it was uh much smaller so it's 5,000 a year for 3 years and if you uh stayed in business for certain times it was it was forget but the intent there was is um the original intent was that the owner was making a permanent investment in the property whereas if the business went out of business or failed that Improvement would still be on the property and would uh prevent the property from looking blighted right but it is that on the property owner then or a business that's leasing from him so the loan uh loan was given to the business but the intent was then in in practice it was different but the intent was the you know you going say for example replacing a roof or patching a parking lot or something that made a physical or visual Improvement to the property um so you know applying that to Dayton I mean we've got a few you I'll use rain tree Plaza as an example or I don't think their parking lot is in the best condition um how far could $50,000 go there but also does a business owner really need that low interest loan from the city do they or do they want it or do they want it well if he's going to borrow I mean he'd be wise to borrow at 2 exactly if he was going to anyway yeah well see now we we had no takers on it at all well nobody knows and if we if we push this agenda we leave the interest St where it is we still have no takers kind of a move Point yeah so how about we leave it the way it is see who see who bites on it and then go from there CU if we a whole bunch of zero it's still zero mhm and and I like collecting four five% in a book and I do paint it out to get zero M so we we okay do we need a motion now existing already okay the motion to do nothing doesn't mean anything so well then but we leave it the way it is for now all right with that we should advertise it more right it needs to be promoted I think remember several months ago I brought up the idea of all you know we meet with a business owner once a month and try to make contact and let them know what we do and how we can help them now there's only so many businesses in Dayton but um well is a personal goal each everybody every commissioner went out and met somebody right yeah well I I know I do it on a regular basis I know you're out in the community these guys are always out but as long as we're out already talking with them interacting with them you know always just make sure to remember what programs we have available we have one the program so does the Ed have a list of all of the commercial uh entities in Dayton we do okay okay I I guess I would make a motion to have a work session to review the goals and adjust as needed including the progress because I don't to me some of these progress none are not accurate you want refine it yeah second then we have a motion we have a second you guys in favor of this have a quick meing yes all in favor I I all opposed motion carries all right let's do that when do you want to set the subject whenever it's coming in for you guys this before next meeting or after next me he got election coming up so maybe you want to do it after that or you would well after election be in 25 what's that it' be 2025 you want review the in 25 no no no after after the November election December uh yeah so probably November or December like mid November early December John what do we got um so I guess my question do you want to do this as a a the same time or do you want you know think he stock work session right but I mean in place of meeting or do you want to have more time to have a discussion I mean or you you're just asking we could do it at 7:30 on U either the in place of an Eda meeting which will be fine by me or or before an Eda meeting or whatever you know separate day but I mean you can just say hey I mean we've skipped Eda meetings before the November Eda meeting is actually going to be a work session instead of the EA meeting or add it together I mean rather than another day another half an hour is not that well I was just replacing it with one you know so it would have two but what whichever way it doesn't matter me my suggestion is we can shoot for a a regular the same day as a regular meeting where we've got it's a slow month yes so and after the elections all right set it up okay just no the time dates on that we also need to correct who who's who's in charge is Hayden are you in charge of emails um but what what do we need to do he still needs his City mail and he needs his City mail operation okay yeah mine's never worked correctly okay so I don't know if that was Hayden thing what do you do here Hayden so he he ends our plan so he does permit reviews and and writes a lot reports for the council and find nice WHo's ear ASA uh me okay yeah checking the hierarchy here who do all the page 13 needs to be updated uh Kelsey at public works okay so she does you me cont update so yeah so we've got a plan for the uh section 5B we're going to the goals at the meeting November November right at at the earliest it might depending on schedules might be after that all understood all right moving on to C Eda budget I'd like uh Dave one the chime in on this one are budget we're done we went through it we did spit ball at the wall right well we we submitted a proposal to the council right with a an outline of a budget and amount estimated amounts and the consensus at the council was to use existing funds and not Levy for new funds um last Tuesday we approved the preliminary Levy and my understanding of that is that it was the Eda portion of it was at zero and we can only go down from that number so we're working I we're we've got a budget and we're working off of the existing funds we're not collecting any new money yet I may be wrong on that but I don't believe we can change that Levy now that it's been approved submitted I think the furniture can be shuffled around so it could be replace I think I agree with that that's within the budget but if we don't have a budget what are we moving around and the Eda is levied separately from the city's taxes so I don't think we can do anything with it but don't we have this the 625 is the budget or is that yeah that was the request and it was denied correct okay to zero correct so how are we supposed to run an Eda without a budget off of money in off the money that you have oh so the B the budget of 625 wasn't what you were going to spend it was what you're asking to Levy for correct okay okay in order to spend so we actually have 6 89,000 is that am I reading that right yes not not taking M subtraction from this unnamed property we'll keep unnamed yeah no and that was one of the things so so the only reason to for the budget per se CU I come from a different perspective on budgets right there's there's what you Levy for obviously what you're asking for additional funds but you also are what you plan to spend in that fiscal year or whatever so um I guess we could put a I mean you know we did talk about allocating funds for various things which was the 625 the whether it was Professional Services or contracted services or whatever so we're still planning on doing that but is to do it out of the 689 correct and any property repurchase would be out of the 689 correct and on property repurchase can we we also can do just I mean we don't have to pay cash for the property we can just be uh we we do we do okay so it's the entire okay I didn't know if there was any leverage no so the point I want to make across you know the 62 the the budget that we have for operational budget 625 it's small and it's reasonable um there's enough money that you can buy property you just can't do this continuously every year you're going to run out of money unless we we're able to Levy which currently the city council saying no so I guess I'm just a little bit confused maybe I don't understand but doesn't every city department or and don't they all have a budget yes and money allocated for the budget yes so why why why did we get zero why do we get zero how are we supposed to effectively do our job and without I mean basically you're saying we have to use from savings until the savings is gone then what then no that's a that's not the gist of the whole deal I'm going to I'm going to answer this question because I'm probably the largest proponent of this budget going to zero um to me the budget that was thrown out out there we have no basis for those numbers they're just darts at the wall we think we might spend this that's I personally want a little history on what you're going to spend so if if this year if 2024 we get some history that we spent $ 29,6 52 then there's a little bit of history on what happened the previous year so to me it's easier to go and put a tax to the people on some history of what you're spending I mean so far this Ed and I understand you got to build a little cushion of a piggy bank so far this Eda has just been here I want this much money from the people but I'm not going to spend it on anything I don't really need it I just want it oh we did spend 16,23 and looks like 4600 so far this year MH yeah but I mean I agree with you that you know you got to build some history but when you're agreed and I mean you could make the argument that we have almost $700,000 and we should spend that before we ask no I'm not saying that you shouldn't spend that before you can do I mean set in that stage when Department had see a value and they got x amount of budget and they go oh I got to increase my budget next year because I blew this much at the end of the budget last year instead of saving people money they just keep blowing it off so you get more next year that's set in that stage so by by your by Theory it make it makes sense of course we you know this is our first time we did a budget it was asked of us and then we did the budget and G it was throwing darts at a board but now we did and and what we can officially ly for is what was it 180,000 a year I believe past year is 100 $100,000 that's what we have I mean the max is like what's our Max you can budget for 180 1.8 somewhere in that area yeah well it goes up because the tax Bas is going up every year so it's it's a maximum percentage but as your total tax dollars are are coming in every year go up that goes up as well so my point is if we keep setting the stage for if we don't use it we lose it when we when we got this next big thing coming up we should be using it but we have well I mean let's just cut to the chase the real thing that's going on is that the city council uh wants to keep the tax rate under you know to bring it down as taxes are going up so that we're more in line with other cities which I think is a good thing and they see the Eda as an easy you know we're not going to increase it there because our overall goal is to bring it down right that's that's what's going on and I mean it's so we the sacrificial land for now I think that basically is the case I mean as more tax revenue comes in but my understanding is the tax rate for Dayton this coming year will be now at or below Rogers and some of the other surrounding cities which it's always been higher right and so that's been one of the I understand the city's council's goals um and I you know I think maybe in the future we'll get more consideration as things change but gu wants us to do more right yeah i' I'd like to see some results I mean just produce result taex before there's results I mean that doesn't make sense to me I agree let let's let's do something and and get that track record then the history that we need okay I don't I don't think there's a concern that you're going to run out of money I mean all of a sudden if there's some history behind it then I have no issue with it but with nothing happening and and putting another tax on the people I just don't agree with that did it answer your question Sean yes any other comment on this discussion I didn't mean to go down this rabbit hole but it was a good conversation so I'm glad that we had it I think I think it's good and I think it's at you know we're probably at at kind of a Tipping Point so I'll just say you know I supported that we include the Eda budget in the levy that didn't you know that was not the consensus of the council and I think Scott spoke to that that you know there there's a lack of a history of accomplishments meaning spending money and so you know why why are we asking for more so I think we've you know we've produced a budget we'll spend some money because we've made some commitments this year with the the legal representation and the um um the the land broker guy and and then we'll have other expenses and so there'll be something to to show going forward to say you know this is our operation this is our operating needs and and we need to fund that not just spend it out of savings you know I think we'll get there or we just didn't get there this year doesn't stop us from doing anything and in fact we should be doing stuff right mhm we should be doing stuff exactly okay anybody else good to go moving on yep new business I had uh John we're at 6A now if we're going to be doing more and moving on I threw this at the wall for John say hey look let's look at the uh o Public Works 16471 South di Lake Road see what city council has planned for that um John uh so plans wise uh we're this is old Public Works building on on the left side we do use this as cold storage for um I'm going to call it seasonal equipment so right now it be uh equipment that's related to snow removal in the summer or in the winter it would be equipment you know like lawnmowers and and those types of equipment that would be stored there um this is what we refer to I'm going to call it the Boneyard or it's just miscellaneous um items that are stored and then we have the ball field which uh is used but not frequently um from the operational standpoint if uh the city were to sell the old Public Works building equipment in their needs to go somewhere else um likely in a new building so uh if we sold an old building we'd have a need to build a new building or to replace it and it's not necessarily economical to do that from the park standpoint uh we have a shortage of ball fields and so the uh staff's discussion this hasn't gone anywhere up from staff is to uh since we have this property of reconfiguring the ball field so that's more usable um which if we did that and and it was used regularly we would need this parking lot for uh uh parents and other Spectators and the property next to it was for sale at one time that didn't sell or did it sell uh it has sold and the new owner is the one just storing the stuff yes this is a h in property so this is a a self storage uh business that's located there okay so the discussion here is basically what date wants to do with that mhm all right I want to put it on the radar so that if Council doesn't want to do or they want to move another building over to the new site uh it's Prime area for redevelopment because I think it's probably built in the 50s or 60s I I have no idea and it looks kind of tough we we want to sit and bang on rain tree like it's yesterday's business and we got one of our we have our own properties that's for sure so uh what's good for the is not good for the I don't know I think it needs to be Revisited in that area and cleaned up or done up or niced up or eliminated any more comment on that if you were to I'm assuming if you were to sell this would this would stay Zone commercial develop it it so right now it zon as Parkland okay work parment is p park well yeah only because of the ball field yeah is the land next to it zoned agricultural or is and they're allowed to put a self storage um as a home extended business yes okay he lives there I just curious yes I mean that would be my the biggest concern is like if you were to develop that into the a park or something it's kind of right next to a an ice or kind of you know lipstick kind a pig yeah MH I mean that's that's the biggest problem with the the land there right now in my opinion well across the street we have a kick butt Landing for that Diamond Lake it looks good it's got a good access I mean it's just a allaround nice thing and then here we got well you got the the old uh Town what not the city hall sits right there in that little corner yeah it's kind of historic stuff yeah all right so any anybody want to have a discussion more about that or we just kind to want to Rattle Council cage on this I think that's worthwhile to make that point and I've been pushing on Marty and Zach to get that cleaned up it looks like a super fun site it does and uh some some progress has been made there the the burned up shipping containers are gone now and so that's a start but there's still who knows what kind of hazardous waste as in the rusty barrels on that uh fuel tank which I was reassured does not have fuel in it anymore which is good because there's nothing legal about how that's set up either so yeah i' I'd say make noise on it because we should clean it up if we expect our neighbors to we can't we got to we got to set a standard and we're not on that site for sure and that's also our um our compostable drop off site and if anybody goes over over there to do it you don't get a very favorable impression of the city if you drive into that parking lot so you'll convey that yes just kind of think I I agree just kind of thinking longer term the property right across the street there that goes up to the boat landing that is I think that's dallimer right property not any it's not no that's been sold that's been sold it's Bob angst yeah I mean is that property the city might have interest in long term in terms of developing toward that boat you know I mean you'd have park or whatever there against the lake and the or maybe that's more of a Three Rivers thing I don't know but well what what would you guys like to see there it just seems like an opportune piece of property a nice piece of property that would go right up against your boat landing could be a recreational area for the city there you go that's there you that's what I'm thinking but I don't have any specific plans it could be a park with some Pavilion and uh you know something up to the boat thing I mean the the lake itself is not the greatest boating Lake but it's okay it's wet and it has swans on it so nor some of that ground's going to be a little wet too and I I don't uh all I have is this I don't have the the Bigg picture prepared but see his point is if we can't make it look nice across the street who are we going to attract yeah to Dave's Point Dave one it makes sense to Rattle that cage yeah I agree good okay just just a thought for more longterm thinking I'm on your page on tax Forfeit of property 18 Territorial Road that is the triangle that we so intimately call it uh I would like uh to see this group petition John to go to council again and say look we started our budget we did our we did our all things we required to do we've done our plans we've done our goals we've done everything to this point how come we're not on this yet that's what I would like us as a group to push to council I approached them how long ago couple three months for sure yeah I've been there and I says hey look what we did to do this but we didn't have our uh Articles of Incorporation or articles of order yet and we have them we have everything we need what is the delay why are we not on this why are we not actively seeking this we've got Council specific to Eda we got uh groups of sales teams exclusive to Eda and we're getting negative traction well well just so I know we'd like to go fishing to see what kind of particular companies we might attract to that well triangle according to our land or what do we call these guys anyway commercial broker our commercial brokers they seem to think that it's a really good spot for High-Tech and light manufacturing well that's kind of where our was going and I I put it on the agenda two meetings ago and then we took it off because it was a little premature with the cuz the broker had wasn't signed but particularly with Dave Anderson now coming on to me one of the things we talked about was you know instead of more and more and more warehouses and Dayton let's start looking for some Hightech some better jobs some high some metronic type you know places where you get 300 people in an office that are making really good money versus six people in a 6 million squ squ foot Warehouse that are making not so much and so to me this is this could be the beginning of that but I think we should you know engage the broker give him our goals on what we're kind you know we'd rather see these kinds of businesses than these kinds we're not saying no more warehouses at all but we're saying if let's start this let's focus some our attention on companies that were we'd like to see in the city to build our employment base um our high-tech high-tech yeah well high-tech or you know moving yeah so you're in agreement with that that we should ask John to petition again so my I guess my sticking point on on this one is um I think we should move ahead you know with our with our broker and start marketing the property um I don't know that that's contingent on us buying it first right and we've got a we've got a price from the county I think we wanted to counter that potentially but we have a we have a number but nobody else can buy it it's not like we're going to lose this if we don't move on it right away so why couldn't we be having these discussions with a potential buyer from the city that our broker finds and they they come in and say we want to with this 40,000 ft building on on this site and uh we want to buy the property from the city so then we go through the the process of buying it from the county and or changing its status whatever that whole transaction has to get called but without us putting out the million and a half or whatever we're going to pay for that property up front it's still there it's still ours to buy um nobody else can buy it from under you know another business can't go to the county and say I want to buy this it's it's not that kind of a transaction so why couldn't we be working on getting a proposal and get something that that we are interested in um having on that site first or parallel to this and then go through the the legal process of buying the property and then reselling it I I I'm I'm all invad with that um but the Brokers don't work for the city of d brokers work for the city of Dayton Eda so if you engage another faction into the the buy of this and now you've got we have to have the okay from the council to do what we should be doing with us and the Brokers so I I see that as a quag I think the one thing that you definitely have to have is before you can Market it you need to know where you're going to be on numbers mhm abolutely You' really got to have a ballpark number and I mean we currently have a ballpark number but I don't think person there's enough room with that number I think that number is negotiable and I think that negotiation needs to be done so you know where you're starting yep can't say what a horse race well I don't the other part of it is I don't know legally if we can Market a piece of property for sale that we don't we don't own yet I think that's the biggest question is yeah that's a question we I don't know if you could do that how about we just petition Council to say look release release it into our name so we can make this thing happen would you be okay with that Dave if we can do that I'm yeah I I think there's a legal question in there somewhere that I can't answer about what what can and can't be done with the the property if we don't if the the city doesn't have clear title to it right who does how can how does it transfer it to the Eda right or it the question is what does that process look like and I don't I don't I know the answer to that but we should have it should we reach out to our counsel legal counsel pose this question on this piece for her once we've got uh some nod of head from councel well maybe there's a motion to put forth to council to say this is we believe this property is has value and that we can find a very suitable uh doing our jobs you know purchaser and we would like to you know get this cleared up so that we can you know whatever the whatever it is that we have to do so we can move on uh yeah and I don't know what that is what do that you know what does that process look like and you know can I guess the question is can we can we Market it can we have our broker work on this without all of those things done consensus seems to be no but I'd like to hear what the lawyers have to say about it yeah you can always make a contingent a question right cuz if somebody if somebody was really looking there and dug into that property they'd find it would be tax forfeited what's preventing them from going right to in county and saying hey we hold first R refusal yeah it's us that's yeah there's no there's no back door here okay they can get the value from the County the county will tell them negotiate that you're right absolutely they can get that number from the county all you got to do is ask a question what's it worth it if we were to uh get this and we have not enough in our budget to buy it let's say we buy it for less but we don't have enough in our budget would we get your support to Levy the main Council to get funds to do so out of general fund or how would we do that would you would you support that as a is a buying well I think it has to be something like that any inner fund loan some something like that has to happen and I think that there's a you know there's a path to a a development there I don't know why the council wouldn't support it but okay we were talking to one person here yeah I get you would would you be on page with that yeah well we got two of five on the main Council saying that they nod their head to it so John let's make sure we get all that in our meeting minutes okay I guess I should reiterate as long as the numbers all work sure oh for sure well that I was going to go back to the number thing and it I mean obviously you'd like to buy it from the county for less than what you're going to sell it to the your prospective buyer but to me the overall goal should be finding the right business to go into this particular piece of land and you know whether we make a million or we make $200,000 should be I'm not saying it's totally irrelevant but some irrelevant I mean because as an economic development Authority we should be looking on how we're increasing the economic development of the city PR we don't Tiff in yeah I mean I I don't know whether you need to do Tiff or whatever that's going to partially require the city council's input but I mean finding the right if you could put a Boston Scientific there as an example I'm just saying would that be worth giving up something to get that I I don't know maybe we got to paint that picture when it's there yeah because you might be like you going know get 300 jobs that are averaging $150,000 or whatever a year that might be well worth it to the city okay we're just going to try to reiterate so for for those uh Commissioners that spoke that the intent was for I'm going to call the high-tech manufacturing is that the the that was what our Brokers had pointed towards but is not official okay well I'm looking for an official this is what I want to see there oh for us yes absolutely because we're going to go on the recommendations what our broker said great and we've had this conversation or in a previous I know I just want to make sure that we're all the same page with that that's what we're doing um I mean I don't know if that's in alignment with city council but you know I think we've agreed here that we need less warehouses and more Hightech or or whatever warehouses don't pay the numbers Hightech does yeah and I don't know if that jives with what city council feels I mean seems like a lot of the land and rightly so I mean the people are interested because of access to 94 they went warehouses you know I mean that's what that's what first companies are looking for which Segways us to our next infl we had this conversation in the past on C six se sstone railroad spur we did now we got a cubes of a million plus we got all these warehouses if we were to strike a deal with samstone in like a 100-year contract or something like that where where the railroad would come in and build this to no tax dollars to US and make this spur active for this community area would that make sense to you guys is that where we were at with this because you had contact I think that's you and I had talked to that I I had spoken with uh uh sux BNSF no talking Sunstone um back in January and kind of what the history of what the plan is for this um sstone does not have uh the need for a railroad spur right now they they plan on having one at some point in order to bring in raw materials but the the market isn't right for them to build this now um not to say that they won't in the future so and I guess and Tim I think your direction you're going is their ability of having something larger than a single company op uh using a railroad spur yes yep um you know so right now we have two businesses that would have access to this um it's short so uh there's also the possibility of you know should the at some point adessa is going to redevelop is that a better place for a Spur or would it be an additional spur yeah and who's building where the microwave Tower is or whatever that is right I all there's development right here um so this I'll cover this in staff update so there's a building that's sitting here now uh there's been a building uh land use wise there's been approval for a building to be built here now but there's no market for it uh so the owner is just sitting on that for now it just seems like the well I mean not that that's a terrible place for the sstone spur but if you're going to include multiple companies maybe somewhere there along the tracks where you're pointing or there Odes another I me all the co-op up there where I don't know who bought the co-op but that's also a good place for railroads for probably uh for the the co-op uh up on 81 and further go yeah that way okay I don't know that you can but what's the uh time frame on the Odessa rebuild is is there there is time okay so there's no time frame yeah there's still in business okay well then I still say we stay on plan and if we have to build another spur later in life or someone does then we deal with that then so do we want to reach out sstone in Ram again is that is that the question that you want to proceed it it's up it's a question for the ed8 I mean the answer that I've gotten from sstone is that they're not presing this right now what if we get BNSF to build it could we get a 100-year lease plan from I don't know sstone so if we could do that well you were going to say something I just remembering there the earlier discussion that we had here was potentially that to have at a multi-user spur and so was you know is King Solutions or others right in that neighborhood also have an interest in it I don't I don't know that we ever got that answered you know I think the likelihood of the railroad building in Forest is about zero but um so I think there's a cost there and you know are we interested in sharing part of that cost I think it's you know the question is who's the user going to be and so what's the city's benefit to to invest in that yeah I mean the other thing we have to know is how active that track is I mean I don't not very active I was going to say I don't see a lot of trains going up and down that track up that far almost everything's on the other side of the river right so as a direction we want to at least see if someone to re review that with us or revisit it with us that's direction or do we not deal with it at all well I think you got to you got to find out who's going to use it if if there's not a user for it it makes no sense to put it there yeah yeah to me it' be like going all up along these warehouses and talking to the people that own them which in some cases are just empty but you know how much interest is there to have question on the website or or an email or whatever we it would have to be you know staff reaching out and talking to each business and do you use rail or would you use it if it were available yeah uh what is that vehicle uh that direction from the Eda to do that um I mean what else we would do is probably engage like a whether it's stch or another engineering firm of how does that actually function how much land is needed for a railroad facility and what does that track Connect into that doesn't make it because you got to if you're going to put a Spur there that track's got to connect to something somewhere close that as a main track you know I don't know where that is if that's down in like Brooklyn Park or somewhere it's kind of real business there where does the rail go they just got to get us a car and we got to fill it and get stuff off of it right the the other question is is is Will Burlington even service it so even if you build it will they come yeah you know I I mean I'm pretty sure that that track is you know two years ago they redid All of the you know upgraded it but I'm sure it's because they haul the nuke waste out of monello so they have to keep that track up you know sure yeah but at this point they go to AIO I don't think they go any further up until they have to pull that waste out of monell and if that is it the case what is the contract with monel you know or at some point maybe they just abandon the whole track let's say that might be the first is that a BNSF yes so the first question maybe go to them and say you know if the businesses in this ge phography were interested in a railroad spur how how would that work for you guys would that you know would you be able to service that or so I'm hearing I'm hearing two letters one to the local surrounding area we send out a a lettera how however we communicate and then we send one to BNSF and see what the longevity of that unit is and will they serve is that correct is that what you're saying yeah we agree to that I agree okay listen let's make that work okay do you have um me just think we there are other experts more than me that know a lot more about this of how do you operate a railroad or rail Rail Yard how much lande is needed do you want to engage those experts do I want to what engage those experts so who are they uh it would either be a Stant or I'm thinking probably another engineering firm so I mean this is where you're spending money great I think couple of those feasibility questions can get answered without write check and if it's if it's a no goal then we shouldn't spend money let just ask some basic questions but yes I think to your to your point at that if we get an interest that makes sense we go to people that do this for living absolutely BNSF should be your first call yeah that's that if they have no interest in servicing and why do you want to build it exactly so know in looking at bnsf's uh website they have what they call refer to as certified sites or C sites that are certified with Rail and there's one in beer that's 67 acres has rail access and I believe the land is owned by the city and they're selling it at a very cheap price um and it's still available so that's what we would be competing with um now granted that's not this rail rail that's going to be the one off of a on the west side of north side of 10 which is very busy which is very busy we still ask the questions yeah okay okay all right moving on staff update go John oh I had a slide on that so this is just going backwards this is a handout from BNSF about the the uh Becker facility and I know that you send that out yes i' be okay staff updates um I don't have a slide for this for Eda bylaws this was passed by the council on August 12th I believe I don't know there's not a date on it okay um so kind of going backwards uh when the Eda was at some point in history the Eda expanded from five members to seven members and we didn't have a written um Amendment to the bylaws that allowed us to do that and so this was a little bit of cleanup of what we did uh that was the intent uh also if if we're going to buy and sell property is we need uh the bylaws that are that are approved and signed as well as of a uh what do we call it uh Economic Development District so at some point when we have another reason to bring the uh eda's attorney we'll do that and kind of go through that process of developing an economic development District which generally speaking will be the entire city so but we need that done before we can buy and sell property so is everybody has everybody I looked at it but it be it'd be good from the two City Council Members to say what what was changed if anything in there you I for the most part I don't think anything was really changed it was the rub was that it was approved the most current versions of this stuff was approved on a Voice vote and it needed to be written resolution and so it wasn't done so there weren't any properly suban wasn't done previously it wasn't done probably because essentially we're I mean the mayor has signed this it's not dated and it's just waiting for well Tim is the sign Yeah Tim the president he needs to sign this to make this official so I guess just the biggest question was was everybody okay with it that Tim signs this y yeah I didn't see any issue okay then good then Tim you can do your you can do your thing with Tim and okay one question so for signatures it's both the Eda president as well as the secretary and and I don't remember who the secretary is I think so Jack okay okay I was vice president maybe we switched yeah I think we did you became vice president I became secretary y okay yeah so I've been president vice president okay we we talked about it everybody's good so you need to sign that and then I need to sign that apparently I'm the I'm the secretary I guess oh okay all right so did we get through the file approval Elevate hen County you got that one already no we haven't talked about Elevate henen County okay y okay uh so Elevate henen County so as you see in our budget the city contributes about $2,500 a year towards participating in this uh it's a program that's available primarily for small businesses I mean call business startups as well as um uh Business Leaders that are trying to move their business from small to midsize to something larger so they have a number of programs that are available so just looking at uh this is a handout from their website uh they have a business Navigator Ser service so this is uh just you'd have a a business owner that would contact staff from henan County and and the that staff would Point them in the right direction they have business advisor so if if I'm I don't know if I'm need of an accountant for something uh out of the ordinary uh the county will uh coordinate that with someone that I'm going to call a subject matter expert for up to 25 hours of free advice um and then we have group learning events so this is more peer review meeting so I think of something similar to Chamber of Commerce where you're going to see okay who else makes uh widgets that are related to um your business and then CEO next this is more of uh providing advice and encouragement of for a bit small business go to the next step of um being a mid-level business and so in this case for CEO x uh you have to have a minimum of 10 employees and a million dollars in Revenue to participate in that so I just want to push that out there uh you know this is something that we can also push on social media the county does a good job at it but I don't know if any of you have ever heard of this outside of this uh setting I'm guessing probably not for do we pay for this $25 or 2500 a year the city does not Eda who does the city C well it comes out of the eda's budget yeah have we ever used it have we ever used it not that I'm aware of then why are we paying for it um it because it's available to use have we used a subject matter expert for any type of sstone or for proper it wouldn't be it wouldn't be for us to use it's for businesses and it's similar to our 2% Loan program oh I I will tell you I my son used this for you know he's trying to start the his business and I I would say it was decent I listened in on a lot of it um I think it's a it's right back to the same thing as the Loan program nobody knows about it we haven't promoted it but particularly for someone that has no business background at all it I think it could be helpful it's it's a little bit like um what was the uh small business or the uh the small business group where they'd have you know Executives kind of teaching people how what's that called yeah it's it's through the small business Administration it's a similar kind of program but it's just henin County's version of it so it's for 2500 bucks it's probably worth it if we promote it if we're not going to promote it then I probably not worth it so the question here think last year was our first year it was last year was the first year and we got no action on it for 25 well we did oh what one person well yeah I I don't know how many businesses I don't know you track how many businesses actually use it you put it out there for people to be aware of it and I guess the only way we could maybe track it would be go back to the gal that came and present it to us and say you know how many people from these zip codes or what if they have that information actually used it cuz I think that's the only way you'd know who used it okay mhm I I I I feel a comment coming from the the choir yeah um good morning Ed chair and members of ADA do want to provide a little bit of an update huh name and address name and address Z 12260 South Diamond L um no so uh I want to provide updates we do get quarterly updates from Elevate hin I can start forwarding those to John I get those once a quarter we've had eight businesses use this totally oh really over the past year um six of which have been this fiscal year two were last year um so we do get some hits on it quite a bit I was watching through live stream in the back office and I wanted to make sure that was clear that we are something we said we are yeah we are getting use out of it um we are climbing up the rank so we get a list and it says how many businesses used it how many hours do they use it for um in total for henan County um and we are not at the bottom we are more towards the top there's two columns of um cities that use it I think it's total of maybe 30 of them we probably number 21 22 so um like I said this last quarter I think we had one business use it but total for the year is six that one business used we action that's information we we need to 13 hours was the one that they used last quarter so the one business used it for 13 hours um so what the Eda is paying for is you're paying for that service for be able to have for businesses and it is actually being quite used um and we are we are advertising on the website we advertise it on the app um we advertise it on Facebook um it's not it's not all the time but we do send reminders that it is available for any business in town is this expense in our budget um yes so you guys pay $2,500 as an Eda and then they can utilize that service up to 25 hours for free any business in so there's no charge for the business to use it we're essentially paying for that service um through hen County and then they can utilize that service up to $25 for free doesn't cost them a nickel to have legal review financial review accounting um can be attorneys can be what else is there marketing yeah um there's a ton of other services that are provided for free for businesses up to 25 hours if they like the service Beyond 25 hours then they take over the bill at that point that's what we've paid per business $416 for six businesses six businesses over the past that was this fiscal year it's total of eight over two so we're paying essentially we're paying their $416 well if it's the benefit people are using it yeah it is being used I want to make sure that was clarified cuz and I don't forward those on to John and I olizee I will forward them on we need this information yep yeah it's good it is a good service and we are getting hits on it which is great group discussion yep Dave Dave oh I'm glad to hear that it is getting you yeah me too I thought it was just a spinner wheels and what we spend in for I agree value without dollars right Scott yeah okay any other more disc question on that we're going to leave it alone any more board updates section B I have more staff updates yes um um just on um development update so we have uh I'm just going to go on these one by one uh so the Opus had built or is building a a SPEC Building A speculation building off of Dayton Parkway and uh the railroad tracks um the user for that is turbine Pro so I just learned that yesterday they will be relocating from Roger so um when we think of what would we like to see on the triangle piece of property this is probably an example so this is right across from the triangle right yes and what is turbine Pro they make turbines I I don't know wind turbines no no for engines yes engines okay so again this is something I just learned about manufacturing yes okay and and it's a local business kind of sounds like Hightech manufacturer yes huh uh DCM farm so there's a revised concept plan that was reviewed by the Eda that will move forward to the city council uh next week uh with some commercial retail proposed uh Dayton Creek Edition this is uh the southwest corner of the property that is being proposed as um several outlots uh the intention is mixed use so it would be a mix of residential along with the commercial retail uh that will move forward to the count Planning Commission Council in October um again I want to put emphasis on is that this is Outlaw so there's no uh design of buildings there's no proposed uses there there's nothing to review other than essentially the road that's going to service these Outlaws um and then we have Parkway neighborhood which is right next door um this is primarily a resident or a multif family project but it will have a component where they're proposing a gas station um and perhaps some retail next to the gas station um but in the short term that is also proposed to be developed as an outlaw so that would sit there for a number of years before there's much detail as far as what would be put there um so of these projects that would be that you would expect to come to the Eda at some point in the future um would be when the Outlaws are proposed have when they have an intended user uh those Outlaws would be replanted into a lot and block and then that would come to the Eda as far as as um review goes so that would be with Dayton Creek Edition as well as Parkway neighborhood um but I don't expect that coming in Eda for uh probably a year or more any discussion on our project we were working on I you rem our undisclosed location project um so we we've uh so last month we had a closed session to discuss of a property or or several properties um an off has been made it's being reviewed by the property owner and there's no news beyond that um Dayton was that Dayton Dean Country Manor is that what that DM stands for uh yes okay does anything that we discuss or have discussions on in this group affect any of those I mean did that help or hurt their planning V position so the revised concept plan was first reviewed by the Eda then it was reviewed by the Planning Commission the commission had a number of comments more related to um what is the best you and I'm just focus focusing this on the commercial retail area uh the plan commission's opinion was that there's probably too much commercial retail some of that should be reserved or or um cons yeah I'm going to call it reserved for potentially for multifam so in other words if there's not an immediate need for that much commercial in uh retail area you save a chunk of that and then developing it as Apartments later on did we help or Hur I did it was probably in different because if we're to speak in and chime in on something I'd like to know if we're getting results and what we say that's why I'm asking that question well what you you were sending it to the city council right the Planning Commission did yeah I mean I I think and I'm I can't remember exactly what the eda's opinions were so there's no formal action it's you you all have individual we supported It generally right we supported them yeah oh yes but I mean as far as any different changes so if you said well you know you you you know one of the the proposals were uh I think there was a gas station and coffee shop uh some different retails of daycare you know if you had said well we don't want a daycare there we want something else um it seemed to me like one of our main comments was just that since it's in a residential area that the design uh fit with a residential area that it wasn't you know like a 50ft sign on a highway or whatever but and so what did the Planning Commission change just this I I think there was a discussion so specific to the commercial indust or commercial retail area of um having more of the option throughout the project of having more multif family and that might be the the best place to put it is in that commercial retail area okay and is that if the commercial retail doesn't go in there or instead of so again it they're individual comment so there's probably too much to know yet yeah okay I think the okay just of the Planning Commission comments if I'm paraphrasing this right was it something like $80,000 Square ft or something that was dedicated to retail and they felt like that would be hard to fill in a in a small residential sort retail setting so that again was feedback because this is all still concept plan and so that it's still the design is still getting refined I'd say every meeting that it comes up Y and U and I don't know I think it comes back to the council as concept again next week right and you know before they start putting looking for preliminary PL approval and that's where the sort of the rubber hits the road on things for real right now it's just conversation to try to guide the developer into what the city ultimately wants to see there good to know MH thanks for the input M all right anything else put a fork in it motion motion toour I'll make a motion okay I'll second uh all in favor I all opposed we end it e e e e e e