If you take away that full-time officer, we are at the 8% number that the council has requested which would mean the tax rate when goes down slightly.

If you peel back, I'm going to call it the onion because it's just layers like pull back the police officer. Now, we're at eight... If you go back and pull off the $200,000 towards the ladder truck, now you're at six.

I don't know that having a on the side service every so often is enough. Personally, I think that that's a really important piece of what protects our employees and that without having a formal HR department, I think that's an issue.

It's like if you take one thing out of the equation, it doesn't equal $1 over here because then there's levy dollars have to get built back in to cover the retirement.