e e out look pack it you need one yeah I got I'm just going to P electronically 12125 Eda is now in session it is a Tuesday morning it is miserably cold out so let's see what we got for today's agenda call to order approval of agenda has anybody got anything they want honor off this motion to approve I'll make a motion second all in favor I I'll appr all opposed sorry I didn't hear who was the person second I was first second was ju give it to whichever one John all right motion passes open form is there anybody on our uh computer today I heard something trying and nothing okay we closing up old business discussion damage inable you know uh consent agenda didn't we do that no oh I'm s the minutes we missed we did minutes do we have anything honor consent agenda approval of minutes you need a motion to approve motion to approve second you ready I don't want to run too fast for you no thank you okay no open Forum are we ready for old business John um yeah was there a vote Yes oh all in favor I all oppos you're frozen this morning it's got to be I'm my hands are shaking okay so yes we uh pass that um old business now go ahead John thank you uh old business so uh as was the discussion started in November uh in regards to inoperable or damaged uh utility boxes um these are required to be repaired uh there's kind of a process to go through for us to do code enforcement um at the December meeting that the Eda had asked what the progress was I mentioned that there really hadn't been any there still hasn't any um so we don't have the staff time to do proactive code enforcement um if this is something that the Eda or the council would like to do uh it's likely would have to wait until uh I'm going to say mid year when we hire um full-time firefighters that can that will have some Daytime capacity to do co- enforcement so that would be that would be normal for the firefighters to um do this type of stuff in city so it it's normal for um I'm going to say some firefighters who do Cod certain types of Code Enforcement as well as housing inspections or for like rental properties um you know we have a a community service officers they do some code enforcement we have um uh planning staff that do does some code enforcement so it all kind of varies but um the way that we would do this essentially is by driving up and down every street in Dayton in logging what address uh boxes are at and then notifying those utility companies to to fix them so I mean there there's a lot of time involved with it why couldn't I mean I don't know maybe this sounds too simple but why not just send a s it a letter to the utilities say I was thinking you know I mean instead of going through driving the whole city to look for boxes we already know where there's a couple why are we paying for that let them pay for it go around and check their inventory if if we're doing enforcement we have to prove that there's a violation yeah they will that's one there could be a there's six on there or what there's six on there it's all up and down Boston you can look at that real easy there could be a thousand though right but why not worry about the six yeah you know I mean I'll write the letter if you want me to we can do enforcement on bsam I'm just saying that's not the only place where we have broken utility would there be you know like maybe we could put it in the communicator as an example if you see a utility box that needs repair you know here's a number to call and then we send a send a letter basically to that utility I mean it it I would agree it seems very bureaucratic to have firefighters driving around the city looking for utility boxes I think we can uh I think we can do better than that I think we can get our our citizens to identify and then we can just have a probably just have a uh you know a standard letter that we've develop and send out every time just change the name of the utility whoever it is I mean there can't be that many utilities can there maybe six or 10 no but I'm just saying that there's a process you know for for us to do enforcement on it there's a process that we need to follow so so you're saying that the fire someone fire department and or whoever in a city capacity has to actually inspect it before a letter can be sent is that what we're saying to do yeah to do enforcement on it I mean we can send out a put a notice in the communicator saying you know if listing of utility providers if you have a broken box in your yard or your neighborhood oh you can call yourself call you can call yourself oh well that's a good solution cuz I mean neighbors will probably do that I mean if they're concerned about it it is so I mean the issue is you know in case where like you have this one where no one you know the the property owner I'm sure doesn't care about it yeah that's out in front of py the gas station here isn't it s's property yeah yeah or it's not that he doesn't care it's just he doesn't know what to do it's not his property I reached out to Public Works director and I says hey do you know these exist he goes yes we've been trying to handle that for years but we have got no no teeth in it if the Public Works director can't do this and he says by all means reach out to whom ever and make this happen MH youve reached out to them yourself have you not I not to the utility companies so I've handed this over to the public works you went to public works yeah oh CU well I think we had a question last time that if you reached out to these utilities and you had said yes on that um no I've given it over to Public Works and they've not had the time to to do this so we got we got codes with no no enforcement correct sounds like the simplest thing to do is get a hold of utility company hey John how about if you fix this send them a letter at least we start doing something instead of we we can do that but if if I'm the utility company I'm going to say I've got a th000 utility boxes which one is it yes then you say Tim I don't you Excuse excuse let's get them fixed well if they don't want to listen I think we should turn the volume up and that's why she what's when you think about it from a city perspective is what is the teeth and enforcement like if you say need to fix this and they say no I'm not going to what can we ultimately do so the the city code allows us to take possession of the utility take utility or the utility box well the utility box okay cuz I just did this we have a private road up north where my Lake home is and we fixed the corner and there's a utility box right on the easement and we asked them please move it and they said well and that's not high on our agenda okay well if a snowplow heads it you know that's fine I'm really looking at this as a point of view if we were going to invite very good businesses into our city to do business here to conduct the least we can do is fix some boxes and say oh well never mind you don't you really don't need a phone anyway or electrical look at that pole on the right hand side there that's about five feet off the ground I'm assuming that's high tension high enough to kill somebody and that's been that way for years that's a cable box what's that that's a cable box that whole that whole thing is ours no Tim's pointing to a there's a utility pole on the side of the road sure it's hard to see it in the photo yeah okay yeah but I don't disagree with any of it I think you know I can see where the utilities will just continue to ignore us if we're not very specific about what we want and the who does it firefighters doesn't necessarily sound right to me either I mean our expectation out of that big new expense is that we get better service from the fire department on emergency calls during the day during the daytime I can understand they're looking for him some for something for him to do but well if that's the case you know we we can work on that too but and I'm not saying they shouldn't do it either somebody has to do it I guess it gets down to that it seems more like a public works to me and you know do they do they do any kind of a checklist in the spring I mean we know they drive all the roads they plow them right and plowing when they're plowing snow that probably isn't the time to be looking for stop and you might not see them anyway if we had any snow I guess everything's visible right now I I so the who is is a harder question for me to answer but I think that you know an inventory of these things and maybe you you know you block out the city and look at it over time and I mean you know Tim Street has got a bunch of them that's a place to start but you know get 15 or 20 of them and send them a letter with those specifics on them and then tell them more to come we're going through the whole city and yeah that that would be the process that we would do I I still think we should put some message in the communicator for people to identify them I think that's a great idea too and I think that you know once identified so you got five of them or 10 of them whatever then you can send someone specifically from public Works here's 10 here are the addresses go look at them it's going to take you an hour I mean we can't I can't believe that the Public Works guys don't have an hour to go identify them or do whatever is verify them required by the city we send a letter I guess the big thing I feel is like there's no real teeth I mean what does the city going to do by taking them over I mean we can send a nasty letter to the utility kind of thing saying hey you need to fix this I think that's about as much as we can do probably cuz the city what would the city do if they took them over you're not going to fix it yeah no I mean you're not got an electrician that's going put uity belt down Pull cable I don't think that's going to happen they must be doing something there's no plowing yeah can you can the city and I'm almost looking at the attorney a bit but can the city threatened to not allow the utility to do business in their city if they contra are not fixing things I mean I don't know it's a stretch but I'm just like where where's the teeth you got to have teeth or people aren't going to do contract summer years ago but they won't they won't service copper anymore they already told me that they said we ain't fixing copper I said well I get it out of here well they have no problem putting fiber in which is which I really wanted for a lot of years but at $600 a month so why would you put copper or coax is there are there is there any teeth or do we really not know or we just let them sit there so I looking at your code your code would need to be changed and and that's where I'm not um John maybe you can give me a little bit of clarification do you does the city uh use administrative citations or or anything like that um we would we we've not in the past so looking at your code you have the ability to what's called Abate the nuisance well the nuisance is obvious right it's the danger of the this stuff there kids can get into it play who know if it's charged I'm assuming it's not but but whatever it's still not safe as it currently sits so this would be considered a public nuisance um there's I understand that the city has uh complaint-based code enforcement meaning we get a complaint and then we go out and fix it versus proactive code enforcement which is where we just literally scan areas of the city for violations there are some um legal reasons why a city would want to do co uh complaint-based code enforcement because the problem with the scanning concept is uh it's possible that you can have people claiming that they're being targeted right that doesn't really apply when we're talking about Utilities in the right of way but that might apply when we're talking about yard maintenance type stuff um so I understand why the city's doing that my concern is that in your code right now in this but you don't say who's going to pay right and so it should be the utility that's paying for that abatement but that isn't specified in this code section perhaps it's someplace else in the code I'm not an expert on on your city code um but it looks to me like probably what you would want to do is incorporate some additional code language going to your original question that code language could include things like if you do not have your existing boxes cleaned up you know we reserve the right not to approve your rightaway permit to put in new stuff I mean that to me seems like the most teeth you could I mean cuz then they're going to do something because they're you know I can't do business in your city unless I fix this you'll have their attention yeah they'll they'll do it and so I think we should recommend a city council to to look at and uh change the ordinance with that specific language and and then see if the city council will take that up oh we got two city council guys right here what do you think Scott John what do you think I think that's a great idea okay let's have a motion to forward this up the city council takes a poke at that ordinance I'll make a motion and then uh I guess the specific language I would ask that our attorney provide yeah it I had a question so as an attorney for other cities is that normally how they handle that so uh the utilities are tricky because generally this code section hasn't been touched in 30 years and it's sort of this this thing where there's not a lot of great penalties um I have a few cities that take escrow so they take money from the utility when they put stuff in and then they can use that to do various maintenance or whatever things that they need um I have another city that's struggling just like Dayton not really sure what to do they have a lot of stuff that looks like this and they're not quite sure where to go um with with how to get the utilities to comply utility companies are difficult it sorry maybe too much information but General code enforcement the way that it would work is you're the property owner right and you you a bunch of weeds in your yard right your grass is 16 in tall and it looks terrible so that's easy for the city to go in and do something we can go in and we can Abate the nuisance in that case the very tall grass somebody goes in they mow it because you're the property owner we send you the cost of a batement so whatever it was for that person to mow it we send you that bill if you don't pay that bill we can assess that to your property taxes so we're getting paid at the end of the day no matter what it might take 18 months but eventually that money is coming into the city when we're talking about the utility companies they aren't the property owner right they just have an easement and so it makes it harder to be able to have the final the final win essentially who owns the box I'm sorry who owns the Box the the title or excuse me the utility company okay I like your first idea you can't do business here if you don't fix your boxes that's right I like that's common sense and last you know there look at all the developments that are going in yeah but they're on all the fiber now they still have is all I understand but whose box is that and it's Telco and they're not going into the new they will not service copper anymore I had I had two tokos I had 49 tokos running into my shop none of them are per usable for phone system so I had to switch to a to a cable based mod then then did my bandwidth and they won't service any more than one gig which is fractional so then they say well we'll do it on on fiber sure ring that till I don't want this to be too trivial for this group but I think this stuff's got to get handled and no one's handling it well it's only getting worse over the years right because if they're not servicing copper then why service anything else to his point no absolutely you can't do business it makes sense yeah I think the only thing that we really have an issue with is companies that have ceased to do business in the city which may be like a phone count you know a landline phone company may have ceased to do business and in that case that's probably not active just need to be cut off in Century Link you know but I mean if there are a few customers on their active line and we cut it off that would be that would piss them off but um I think we just have to deal I think if we go the route we talked about then that gets 90% of it and the ones that aren't doing business anymore will have to come up with another plan to remove them or something yeah seems like there must be language somewhere that we can use about Abandoned utilities and if that's if that's dead then somebody has a responsibility to get it on get well maybe we put the language in there on abandon to just add that into the code and so then we have a way or the council has a way to address either situation F first of all you two is this a council thing or is this a development thing it's a council changing the ordinance with be the coun have the ordinance Chang I mean currently we have an ordinance but we're not doing anything about it so I mean that's the first thing to do something about sure yeah there's nothing in the ordinance basically is what's being said did you need a Pur in a second on this I I've got a purse I don't have a second I need a second on this last one second all in favor I I'll opposed any more discussion on that we're good so the the direction once again is to prepare an ordinance amendment that addresses a b damag and abandon utility boxes correct abandon anything utilities yeah yeah yeah you said it right and then get the language from our attorney and yep propose that to the council how was that one huh uh moving on Old business discussion Eda mailer who wants to run with that one uh those be okay so also the November Eda meeting there's a discussion of uh trying to publicize the revolving Loan Fund uh there's an article that's going out in the Dayton Communicator that was uh included in the packet um also what was directed is to prepare a mailer so I talked to oio Minute Man Press who does our communicators they've given me a quote of about $1800 to do uh I think it's 5 a half by 8 and A2 so my question for the Eda is is this what you want to do we had a budget does that include mailing postage it includes postage okay I think they call it eddm yeah oh it's esar postage size uh kind of like a somebody running for office size the yeah I think it's a great idea of course we talked about last time the uh and assuming this is you're saying this is this page is in the communicator and then essentially they're going to take this page and make it a mailer um no this is the mailer okay so it's just is that one side it's just the front of the page yeah there there's a front in the back the front is is mostly white space um but it it's it's included in the packet okay is it included as a attached page oh it is in the pack where so when we get the date Communicator will this be an attached page to it staple to it or is it not whole separate mail or is it whole separate this is the page that's okay no he's got and is it an attached page it's no I mean it's part of the so it can fall out no okay that's the question and then this is the mail front and back oh this is our presentation from Zach oh okay uh your question on the table right now is do we want to move forward with this correct and we'll need a motion on that yes anybody want the question that you'll have is going to certainly involve the next item for business the land you you have a whole bunch of properties that you want to be looking at my question will be is which is more important because at some point you're going to run out of funds so why why would why would we mail this to every resident and not just mail it to the businesses seems like it' be a lot cheaper CU there are some homebased businesses that might want to break out few people they weren't qualify for it if they break out and want to go do go brick and mortar then they have our attention what if somebody wants to upgrade true you could get somebody that wants to in a little cafe and P shopping C in well I mean maybe this would get them over the hump the gas maybe yeah I I look at this as I mean you look at eligible applicants it's current Andor proposed businesses in these areas so that's why you would send it to all the residents cuz someone wants to open a coffee shop or whatever then they would be an eligible applicant right we might not approve them but so a couple things I want to emphasize one is the target targeted areas or these uh purple areas that are shown on the map so it's um you know from a practical standpoint I think it's more likely going to be at long Ballam or in the village where you're going to have someone that wants to open up a business and then the question is what properties are available um you know there's a handful yeah you could have someone in the industrial area wanting to upgrade signage or something like that potentially the revolving Loan program is between and $50,000 the intention is that that our loan is only going to provide half the funds that they need let me ask you why do we send out the date Communicator uh communicate with the public of what's going on in the city Okay so and being the the newest member of the Eda uh I have discussions with my neighbors and I tell them yeah what are you doing Dave I said well I'm a a new member of the Eda what's that what's that what is that what do you do there you know I get up at 7:00 every third Tuesday of the month and go to a meeting for what you know and uh to me the the communicator is a is a vehicle to communicate to the citizens a day and what their government is doing we are a government committee okay and and you know we're working for them so I you know the cost $1,800 you know I look at it as why isn't it just part of the communicator why why why why do we need to make the choice do you want to spend $1,800 on a on communicating to our citizens versus we got a lot of other stuff that we want well you know uh just from the background we don't even have a budget we do we do have a budget yeah from a fund perspective is it the 1800 that you're concerned no no I'm I'm saying with this next discussion coming up there's a couple of big things there and I think right now we have uh somewhere around 550 to 600,000 bucks in the kitty and one of these is going to take more the day yeah so the question but I think what you're raising is if we use that then we weren't going to have any money to do any Lo I'm not I'm not opposed to spending the money and trying and putting it out there hey there's a a possible bridge loan here for somebody that wants it but got to be careful how much we spend first I guess if we get that one guy who knows the guy who knows gu robbed a guy from high school just once wow and he he comes to our door with that mailer no one reads the communicator well if nobody reads it then that's a big waste of money I won't go that far I think that it needs to be all right I think it needs to be in the communicator we did that Community survey and the communicator the mailer got really high marks from people that people do look at it and read it and so I think we're missing the boat if we don't have something in there yeah right for sure doing something additional nobody's taken this loan and it's been available for how long years there and so people don't know and so I think it's worth extra effort to try to get this thing in motion somehow and you know 1,800 bucks is in the scheme of things isn't a lot of money yeah to me that's not the issue the 1800 I think we should do it but maybe there's a bigger thing that we haven't talked about which is if we put that out there we get applicants are we fine with taking the limited budget we have and providing it to those applicants we will I assume it's coming right out of our budget money right I think that's yeah between the lines I think that's what maybe you're saying yeah this to me this discussion could have happened after the next one so that we know which direction we're going there not not that I mean realistically nobody's asked for this for how many years and that doesn't mean you're going to get eight people right now that are going to suck up 400 Grand so it it may be trivial that it brought it up I like I like Dave's idea we got a little extra effort yeah you okay with that I'm fine it makes sense to me you're always something to come in the mail if it ain't dry cleaning or car detailing you might as well see what your city's doing for you and what's available to you you so we need a motion to move forward on this I motion that we move forward second I'll second all in favor I I I I all opposed okay motion carries thank you okay new business thank you uh new business so as I believe the Eda is aware of Manda Johnson eda's attorney of switch firms uh the Ed needs to either uh sign a new contract with eers and Lambert or uh keep the contract the existing contract V the cost of the Eda is the same motion to keep second all in favor I all opposed if I could the the motion the motion came frombody motion to change it if I'm interpreting you got a first there you need a second he made you didn't have a first as what we had first third and 15th before I can even push my button on my pen okay uh did that answer everything we motion carries to Mo move to the new group Sean Dave first and second and motion carried five M yes 70 7 70 everybody's here cold today all right um new business B discussion Zach I a I'm sorry to keep you waiting this long with all this give us your kung fu morning everybody for those of you I have have not met I'm Z instag I'm with IG commercial I'm an adviser there um I work with Jeff lafaver who I know um who who I know uh Tim and John have both met um and Jeff couldn't be here today he expresses apologies he had another conflict with other clients so but that's why we're a team we can tackle it all together so um so we'll get right into it here so the this is than for coming today in this cold nasty day absolutely both you thanks for coming happy to be here um and yeah today it's just a brief market update uh to you all um specifically regarding the South part of Dayton and the triangle lot and that surrounding area there so and I know time might be in essence here so I'll try to speed things along here and feel free to interrupt uh if you have any questions uh but regarding the agenda here if you want to go to the next slide um just to overview of the discussion today um it'll be kind of our role as a IG commercial who we are what we do um and then provide the market update that I addressed um kind of surrounding the triangle lot there and then um how the market ties in with vision as far as that lot's concerned and then uh kind of opening the um door for uh kind of a discussion with the group to see what thoughts are and uh if I can take any notes for any future uh plans moving forward so uh next slide so our role IG commercial is a niche real estate company that focuses on the enduser of real estate and uh we help our clients uh plan Buy sell uh lease build and invest commercial industrial real estate um basically we exist as a supplement to our clients and uh if they don't regard their uh real estate as their core business so you can think of us as consultants and an extension of your team um to be your real estate department essentially so and uh we basically exist to help our clients uh deliver a desired real estate strategy so uh next slide um and then the strategies delivered through our services which I already touched on but it's a strategic real estate planning uh buyer tenant representation and site selection uh disposition or selling uh assets and then we also provide a construction project management as well so next slide okay so getting into the market update itself uh so for demographics a lot of this is probably not news to you um you probably already are aware of it but uh uh Dayton's one of the fastest growing communities in the Twin Cities metro um even with challenges during the pandemic job growth uh has exceeded losses since 2020 which is encouraging and uh given the low unemployment rate and projection of a healthier economy with lower interest rates into 2025 and Beyond hopefully with the lower interest rates um healthy employment numbers are anticipated to continue and then um so the going into the industrial side of things as far as um uh the St statistics at the moment and Industrial and Retail which I'll get into next but uh Kosar analytics is the platform that we use for research uh for certain stats and things like this and also our marketing so that's um what I'm citing here as far as the data um in know kind of an overall view of industrial um it's uh basically the you're looking at the submarket vacancy rate of 4.9% at the moment moment comparing to the larger uh Twin Cities Market average uh which is uh 4.2% so the uh the basically the submarket is the Northwest submarket which includes Dayton oio Maple grow of that sector there and then the Greater Twin Cities area is the larger part there so um basically uh due to elevated rates inflated labor and material costs and a pullback in construction lending uh construction starts definitely dropped over the last year in 2024 if you're looking at a snapshot of just that year um so that's important to note as well um as we kind of discuss further about the industrial side so uh next step or next slide there so going more into the construction uh we really saw uh unprecedented construction all over the country um in 2021 to 2023 um when it comes to during the pandemic and uh a lot of people even our company um you know they they would say oh you know I'm sorry to hear that you're in commercial real estate it's uh must be a difficult time during the pandemic and that's really not true at all actually ieg commercial had their best year to date ever on record uh during the pandemic and that was because of the industrial sector so I think that's important to look at when you're looking at the last five years and then what's to come here um and it's definitely important to keep in mind uh so recently after the pandemic we've seen a rise in build the sup manufacturing projects um many companies uh specialize in Industries in um Advanced Manufacturing high-tech warehousing uh things like that are driving demand for custom buil spaces that are tailored towards their operational needs um so that's something to definitely keep in mind as well um larger projects such as the cubes which I'm sure you all are familiar with um that has struggled a little bit um as of late you probably are aware of that uh but some of the large or the smaller I should say sub 150,000 square feet projects are actually doing much better and it's uh kind of that Niche uh facility that uh is seems to be what's in demand at the moment as as the industrial sector um and then most recently and I think the most important part of the whole presentation and the takeaway uh for today is if you look at the case study of the uh Opus project that has a turban Pros as their um their first tenant it they had signed a lease for 87,000 squ Ft out of the total 132,000 foot building um that's that's pretty much the prime example uh for the triangle lot as far as what's uh in demand for the market at the moment so if there's any takeaway for this whole presentation that's it right there that case study specifically um and you know Niche manufacturing custom build builda suit facilities so so spe you basically have an opus build a spec building to be filled by some to correct correct so if you're looking that's what's in demand correct currently that's what's in demand and that's what the market is telling us right now um especially that part of Dayton so um like I said the the larger facilities like the cubes for example um you have seen that struggle a little bit but that's um it's really really just kind of a blank canvas and it's if the these companies that are coming in that are close proximities to the interstate 94 specifically which is right next to the triangle lot um those types of locations are really driving demand for that specific Niche so um it's a it's kind of a location mixture with uh what's uh driving the economy which is the smaller Niche companies and in in the industrial asset class sector so um is it all for those small Niche are they Industrial mainly or any office or so I would say that peer office or general office um that it doesn't seem to be the driving factor in kind of what is in demand in that South part of Dayton um however uh Flex buildings you know which is actually that that Opus building that they constructed I'm sure there's some office in there it's a it's a flex building they have some office components but largely it's more the manufacturing and uh distribution warehouse type of industrial so if that answers your question yeah yeah with your next four years in office as our new president do you feel that that's going to be bumped um yes I I think that we're like like I mentioned back to uh 2024 um where we did see some slowdown and construction starts and um interest rates were certainly a factor in that we did see just a a very slow down um in that sector not just industrial but you know Nationwide everything so um but at the same time as interest rates continue continue to improve which is seems to be what the Market's heading towards as far as those rates and also just a general Improvement in the economy I think that yes certainly it's going to be much better so at least that's what the Outlook is would be telling us so sounds like a recipe yeah exactly so um especially I think things will start to stabilize in 2025 but as we get into 2026 and Beyond it's going to continue to improve so it's it takes some time it doesn't happen overnight which I'm sure you're all aware of so um but basically to sum up this um what's in demand for this specific area in Dayton sub 150,000 foot um Niche industrial projects so uh you can go to the next slide there okay so and I did want to touch on retail as well just because I think it's important to um given the area um won't spend too much time on it but uh again this is according to koser analytics uh our research platform uh the vacancy rate is approximately 7.1% um this is mostly based on 2024 data since we had a complete year um and then uh there's little to no uh Construction in the retail uh asset class uh sector at the moment in the Northwest Metro submarket um it's we are seeing also as far as the market Direction there um it's a little bit higher of a price point when compared to the larger Twin Cities Market as a whole so um and then just a note on there I thought that was interesting to keep in mind when you're looking at square footage and size of facilities uh but if you're uh considering land soft costs uh construction um you're looking at a approximately um again approximately 300 Square ft uh per square feet uh as far as the construction costs per for retail yes this is just retail sorry what was that including the land that's including the land y so no it's going to be you know retail is obviously for the most part a little bit smaller than some of these industrial projects so when you're looking at larger you know warehouses and Facilities but it is something to keep in mind again that is an approximate number but um it's important to note what's the equivalent number in industrial I would have to get back to you on that it's going to be probably a little bit more especially when you look at more Niche manufacturing uh facilities um and this is something I'll touch on a little bit later too but when you compare distribution and Manufacturing manufacturing is going to be a little bit more expensive just because there's more you know operational needs and specific requirements for those buildings versus distribution where it's largy Warehouse it doesn't really change that much from user to user if that makes sense yeah um so it's uh that's just something to keep in mind but we can get a little bit further details down the road when it comes to some cost so yeah I had a a question on the first point overall Uh current sub Mark Market vacancy rate was a 7.1 in the earlier slide was 4.7 that's the difference this is specifically retail versus okay I'm sorry 4.7 was for industrial yeah it was 4.9 for the submarket and then 4.2 for the Twin Cities broader market so um if that makes sense yeah yeah I saw I see the retail model just tells you that there's more yeah again this slide is just purely retail there so um yeah next slide if there wasn't any more questions on that um so next thing that's important to uh consider here is tying in the market which we just talked about to a vision which is the most important part about marketing a a piece of land or property so um really the the vision has to match uh demand if if there were to be any sort of success with either that's selling buying it doesn't matter it it it needs to match demand so um basically the um what we indicated before the sub 150,000 Square fet um industrial manufacturing builda suit um those types of um projects are going to be what is the or what demand is indicating for that specific area and and really not only just that specific area in dayon but also the broader uh submarket in the Twin Cities here too um however all of that being said flexibility is key here and that's very important so the market may be indicating that it's a sub 150,000 ft user or project to go into that site uh but it is important to remain flexible and not be married too much to a specific user like turban Pros for example um and the reason for that is because there are some other viable options retail is viable um however that might be a little bit limited to you know gas stations or service stations um but also things that are um up and coming and On The Rise is uh some recreational uh types of retail that has a hybrid component so for example whirly ball if you've heard of that um basically I don't know if anyone knows what that is but you're in pretty much a bumper car and you're playing um like a game with like a racket pretty much and you drive around these little tracks I mean those types of um you know companies it sounds kind of ridiculous but those types of companies are actually taking off you're seeing a large um increase in those too so let's do it in a real car yeah that too you can do that demolition derby type yeah um but uh it's just important to keep those things in mind as well and not get too married to something because you might see a user like whle ball which is a national brand come in and say like all right let's go I I we like this site we've done our research already um and you know to be married to something else you just want to leave the door open is basically what I'm saying and remain flexible so and uh same with golf simulators um another example of that in South Bloomington there's a office golf uh company if anyone's heard of that um they've actually kind of uh during the pandemic when office was struggling so much they take uh bacon Office Buildings and convert it into golf simulators essentially so they have every floor there's an 18-hole golf course in this office building they have a bar inside so they've kind of had this model of taking advantage of you know uh distressed office properties and turning it into something like golf simulators um which is interesting so it's just those types of quasa industrial and Retail hybrids that are interesting and U things to keep in mind moving forward so um yeah yeah next slide if there's not any more questions on that so at this point I kind of wanted to open uh the door to discussion a little bit kind of hear what you all are thinking as far as the target buyer um you know keeping in mind uh some of the information I provided as well um and I I already touched on the manufacturing and distribution side of it kind of the differences of the two where distribution is a little bit more um you know friendly as far as alterations to the property from user to user while manufacturing is a little bit more Niche and it could be costly if there was to be a change in hands uh but uh uh other you know options for the site too while you know staying in the industrial sector is multi-tenant buildings uh which uh you know there's there's some case studies around there that are both good and bad um for example the Opus building is technically a multi-tenant building um it can be at least um however there's some other locations closer to Rogers where um you know there's been it's been in the market for a while um you know so there's some interesting uh interplay there but also location is key and uh given the proximity to 94 I think that you're probably going to see a little bit increase in demand as far as that type of building and then also just your general thoughts on office retail and then hybrid of things that we talked about before while keeping in mind the tax base for any sort of company to come in so I guess yeah with that I it' be interesting to hear what you all think and um kind of what uh just on the tax base I mean what are the when you think about the tax base I mean what what's the best versus the worst and you in terms of you know cuz you get property tax but then you also have more employees you would have more I mean I guess at least City well does do we tax at all in the I'm just trying to figure out what you know cuz other than property tax what are your well you have uh school and County tax and then there's specialing special tax taxing authorities so like the Eda would be a special taxing Authority Metro mosquito control is another example I'm just thinking you know cuz we talked about if you have a a building that employs a lot more people so to speak hopefully some of those people live in Dayton which then gives you increases your tax base so I'm just trying to think it out of a tax based perspective it seems to me the road we've been on which are these massive warehouses are probably the lowest tax base but I mean give you an example so if we had a data center I mean those are very exp a data center they're very expensive properties they produce a lot of property taxes very few employees yeah um you can have like a a school headquarters doesn't produce any taxes but has a lot of employees that go out and and buy lunch you know so those are two extremes and so Jack I think what you're talking about is like a distribution center that has a large building that produces taxes but very few employees that are going to go out and buy gas or buy lunch versus a manufacturing operation that is going to do both right and that's a a you know we talk about what you know cuz there's the easy route which is you just match your vision to the highest demand which is what you've told us is basically manufacturing and Industrial sub 150 or there's you know and that may be great but are there other options that may take longer but would serve the city better long term yeah I had a question yeah regarding the retail is is there any metrics that is out there that defines demand for retail versus population or residential units sure so the I guess a way to answer that question um you take a gas station for example name one quick trip Casey's the what they're constantly looking for they have real estate departments within their team for Acquisitions and they're looking for sites that match their demographic their know vehicles per day on the streets um and proximity to major highways things like that so honestly if you're looking at the retail component while while that whole sector is limited uh gas station is probably going to be one that's you're going to get a lot of uh attention with if you listed that property right away um I think that's uh that's why it's important to keep an open mind while the market might be telling you what the best fit for that land is which is the sub 150,000 sare ft there's going to be a lot of uh National companies and service stations and other types of business businesses they're are going to be um you know reaching out first before those types of U industrial users because of that so so as a as an Eda body here um and I understand you know quick trip has a whole marketing department searching for sites that match and I assume they come and get the demographics from this city and then go from there but on from the Eda standpoint is there anything that we should be doing you know to accommodate that other than setting land aside or pushing for um zoning right sh ready not necessarily shovel ready but you know a forward planning MH that's a good question if you're if you're looking at marketing the property for example so say you acquire it and able to Market it and everything um it's it's how you Market it that's the biggest thing and that's where we come in you know we it's not just uh you know we're not just realtors that said it and forget it I mean we're we're actively marketing we're making calls to our Network um and trying to bring certain businesses that match what you're looking for to meet your intent at the same time you know getting creative with the marketing to bring in those types of businesses so so at this point do you feel like you know what we're you mean you don't have like what our vision is yet you need that though right and that that's kind of why I wanted to open the last part up for discussion just to get some notes um you know while also presenting some information of what the market is telling us at the moment so um you know we can um it's always good to start early so we can start thinking about those things I've got a pretty good idea um but at the same time I you know nothing's defin yet so if that makes sense and that's based on current conditions what you feel is the the hot spot or The Sweet Spot for development on that spot is yes current conditions because the one thing I wonder about I mean I don't know much about retail but my understanding is retail follows rooftops MH right and you understand Quick Trip wanted to be next to the highway because there's their rooftops if you will right is are driving by we're I'd say close to um finalizing a a large apartment development on the other side of the highway so you add 600 housing units to that uh mix right now does that change your thoughts around what this property could or should be you know the the market is uh it's obviously on a rolling BAS so it does change but um what we've talked about today as far as what the Market's indicating is not going to change anytime soon um I think that that's kind of the direction we're in the situation that that part of Dayton is in um and that's what it's telling us and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon as far as the industrial if that's what you're getting at um however um when you look at a service station or a gas station um you know regardless of what's around there it's a good fit for that site um you know if you're looking at it from Quick Trips or like any gas stations perspective because they don't need to be in a you know a fancy downtown environment they don't they just need to be at proximity to the highway um are people going to be able to you know easily access our gas station off the highway and from other parts of Dayton which you know if you're looking at the housing example um people go right down the road for anything you know you get to jug of milk or something like that you know it's just a that's just a small example but um you know but to have that retailer service center gas station type of user or industrial I think both are you know fit pretty well in that to be honest so even though the market tells us one thing over the other um specifically so but Dave I think that whe it won't have any effect on what the Market's indicating it does maybe have some effect on what we think as a city should be there you know in terms of what we want to see because I it to me that's a it's kind of like the easy route you know like this is what's really in demand so just do that right or you know what do we really want this to be which may be a little harder but ABS may take some more time I that's the way you mark this you know ultimately what do we want there yeah and it it and it shouldn't be something that's not going to succeed you know so we shouldn't be you know that naive about it but at the same time I don't think uh you know our answer should be what's the what's the quickest flip on this thing you know I know with the the Quick Trip site you know they was the developer was saying there was trouble with the the location might have it some of it might have been topography but the you know the the other interested parties weren't you know the metronics that we at one time kind of thought would be the way to go um it was an asphalt company and something else that you know didn't have a lot of appeal to us right so I think we need to Define that but it needs to be you know based on some intelligence that we're not asking for something that'll never happen right well and a note on that too that um part of the reason why we exist is to help navigate through that um because honestly anybody that's not in real estate could eventually come to a conclusion of what is in demand for a certain site the the the tricky part and why we exist as a brokerage is help navigate that and maximize the dollar amounts for our clients and having the best user that fits your intent at the same time because it's easy to just be like that's what the market says let's just go with that that's the Easy Button anybody can do that that's where we come in and help navigate and meet the intent of what you're looking for while maximizing dollars so y my other question is around timing um you know we've I think been well put some effort into figuring out you know what can we do with that property and how does that happen and Amanda has helped us you know figure out with the county uh you know what that might look like um what I have some concern about is if that we we are in a rush to to buy that property um so that we can Market it and sell it seems out of sync to me with how other development happens and I'll point at this apartment complex again you know that's been in various stages of discussion for a couple of years now right and you know getting close to the finish line but that developer does not own that property at this point there's no sale unless he gets his approvals to build and you know I wonder why we can't do you know the same kind of thing I think that's common in in Industry to go that route and why we can't I mean the property is not going anywhere until we do something with it and so we're not at risk of losing it to somebody but why can't we you know first of all figure out what we want there and then you know work to Market this thing and you know at a point where we've got a pretty solid um direction from somebody then we go go ahead and make the purchase and then you know relatively quickly then sell it um to this preferred developer to get the get the outcome that we want and that's certainly an option I mean it's it's all about the tactics of how you Market it and if that's the direction that's but we also market price to watch yeah if the land keeps pushing up we could save ourselves what is who knows two 300,000 just by buying it now versus buying it later and there's a cost to own in it yeah there's a cost to own it because we're going to put that money out and it's going to sit there producing nothing until we you know close the deal so my question is is is do we have essentially full control of the property in terms of purchasing it because of like whether we purchase it today or whether we purchase it three years from now when we've got a or two years whatever the time frame is when we've got a buyer that wants to put something specific we know exactly what's going on do we still have I mean no one can come in and buy that property out from under us right that's an amendment yeah that's good uh so right now we own the property on a uh restricted use deed so it can only be used for that the transit Hub and some ancillary related things based on the conversations with the county the county has agreed that we can basically enter into negotiations with the county to purchase the property outright in statute it does require that we need to identify a public purpose for the property so one of the um one of the things that I think is going to be important is well there might be future development opportunities on the site that is not going to be a helpful component to a conversation with the county right now the conversation with the county right now would be focused on a variety of public uses purposes that the city might want to use this property for as part of the negotiations with the county does that make sense so then once we purchase it then we don't have to do the public purpose anymore basically so once we purchase it under the statute Chang once we purchase it under the statute there is no restriction on the deed and then timately whatever we determine the final use is up to the city solely versus right now we're restricted to what the county says we get to do with the property does that every that clarifies things a lot and all of this was in the context of of that exactly that after that acquisition what happen then you know what what does the salability look like in the listing process right from your standpoint um you know uh we're talking about the triangle mostly and uh does iag provide services so we know how big this piece of land is what can go in there you know we always talk about we like to see medical manufacturing so forth and so on uh you know based on that how big a building can go in there how many employees or maybe multiple build will be in Seas let's move forward and see what that question okay yeah I think that's fair and that's all things that can be addressed down the road for sure um but uh going into this slide um it it's really just more considerations to keep in mind moving forward um after the process um with uh the county is is complete uh but uh going with that you know just general points if the they were acquire the property you control Who develops it City would have some control over zoning but not specifically who the end user would be so um and then things to consider too uh speed to Market uh you know City Water and Sewer that's going to be major points for some of these buyers that come through and they're they're going to want to know while is it connected to City Water and Sewer that's going to be important to most people and most uh people that will come over for the site and then shet uh things like that I obviously we don't have um you know much uh information or at least I don't at this time with in regards to that but at the same time you know that's kind of the next step down the road of getting a little bit more Niche focused and zeroed in on the property itself and what we need to know uh to to proceed so um but a general thoughts on that I just wanted to throw that up there as well just for General considerations so who owns the triangle piece that's not covered by the Blue Line there uh so there's two Parcels here so this is all together so we okay it's part of it yeah so is the 1.56 Acres include the little area across the road and the road where the mon that's the monument right this is the monument sign so essentially it's about 6 and2 Acres that's buildable once you exclude so what I guess the question what could fit here it' be similar to the Opus building that's across the street or it could be multiple build I mean that that's the other question could you subdivide this into multiple lots for multiple buildings multiple you know cuz Business Park I mean I don't know a business whatever I mean there's all kinds of things you could think of but you know I'm reluctant to say we should go find a 250,000 ft building you know and slam it in there just the same as the Opus building across the road I mean I don't know that's the question coming back to vision and what that kind of you know that kind of discussion so the thing think whatever gets built there is going to be there for a 100 years so what do you want to look at when you're driving down Dayton Parkway well to me like you're coming in Dayton Parkway we put all these nice trees like looking entrance and then we've got these massive Warehouse buildings is all we see and so if that's the entrance to the city I think it's it seems like we should be thinking more deeply about what what we really want there and the purpose of all of this presentation is for that exact reason to start generating thoughts and ideas of what your vision would look like down the road so um you know present while presenting data that you know what suggest what the market is telling us at the moment so but that's a great that's a great Point that's certainly a possibility um to subdivide so and we can build up too not just out yeah let's put some levels in there and maybe part of that's parking lot for the to service the 89 400 story building well and that that was part of my question is obviously building but then you have to take into account parking how many parking space M yeah you know and then it's expensive to go up parking I I I deliberately pulled the vision off of this ones so that we could have this discussion first and now we can go back and talk about how do we what do we want to see right that was our function because I only knew we had only an hour so I have a question I have a question for you but not necessarily for you to answer which you Zach um is you looking at this as the Eda purchasing this um I'm curious and maybe you could answer this question in in an email and send it to president hunner um is what what is the estimated market value of this piece of property right now and us to analyze that versus purchase price um investment cost commissions when we go to resell it we need to make sure that this is a good fit and getting starting with that end number of what is this potentially worth we can work the numbers backwards so is that something that you could maybe email right president and then he can share with us down the road absolutely I mean that that would be the next logical step really for this it was just at the kind of big picture large snapshot of the the market itself but certainly I mean that's definitely a part of the analysis that we would go into the next steps so I think it' be interesting as part of that analysis to look at if sold all six acres to one buyer versus subdividing what could you get for it type of thing you know to see see what brings the most right I had just a quick question when you talked about the Northwest area is Brooklyn Park included in that or no that's really more Central towards Minneapolis it's close um but really we're looking at the 94 Corridor when it comes to you know Rogers Dayton that part of the Southwest or Northwest I should say a submarket so we need a motion on this one here um I don't know what you're holding we already seconded a motion Amanda we have already got the yep you've already done that um on value so I just want to mention in comparing what Opus paid across the street and uh as well as quick trip the value is uh between 230 and 250,000 an acre so this comes out to you know 2 million plus yeah other than that that's I mean to me I think what we ought to think about is like what what analysis would we like Zach to come back with it seems like we need we need that plus the the information that Sean was asking for and then we need a session to talk about vision and give these guys some direction if we're going to purchase this I mean that's a a decision in and of itself but it seems like I don't know that this is a motion but maybe it's an agenda item for the next meeting or whatever we we can I'll just add for several meetings we've we've discussed this and so the Eda needs to have a common vision of what you want to see along Dayton Parkway can we put that on the next agenda check it off this so we can have this conversation first yeah make that happen for the next one okay did I get everything handled with these uh motions those are all three different items that don't have anything to do with this okay well we're all signed so uh have we covered C in that to our best ability because we're running out time here no okay let's talk C okay wait I'll turn it over to man so um in in your packet there was a sort of a quick memo from me regarding the history in terms of what has happened with the sites and then the next steps for the property so really what I'm looking for from the Eda is um Direction on I would propose that the next step be a joint work session with the Eda and the city council um because keep in mind the city currently owns this property the city is the only one who can get it free and clear they can ultimately transfer it to the Eda but the city must be the buyer of the property um so there should be some sort of a work session with the two part with the two bodies to determine a do we want to move forward B what are we willing to spend on this property um and then also potentially um you creating a a committee that would not be a quorum of either body so less than three members of the Eda EXC me less than four members of the Eda you have a five member Council right so then two two council members that would have the ability to um communicate negotiate with the county um and myself so that we could enter into those conversations with the county uh ultimately final decision would come back to the city council but for functionality purposes it's always better to have a committee of less than a quorum so that way we don't have open meeting law violations but we're able to sort of get that um inter intermediary work done ultimately again final decisions are made by the city council uh but the first step on that would be a joint work session between the Eda and the council to make sure that everybody's on the same page that this is a piece of property that you want to acquire and we're talking about the lent property no we're talking about the triangle the triangle okay we you already own the lent property okay that's done okay yeah you will not that's yours we'll talk about that in a second so you need from what what from this body right now to well just confirmation that that is what you would like to do next is to set up that joint work session yeah now here's saying get some Direction one other thing I would recommend that this joint work session have a closed session component where we talk about possible negotiation SL purchase of this property there are things that are definitely better to have an a closed work session and a closed session because we are talking about negotiating the purchase of a property right um I understand that we're talking with the County versus the private property owner but that this should still be under a closed session um I can work with John to make sure that that's done correctly uh and then the other thing to to note that at least under the statute um it does authorize the statute language says that the County Board uh determines the present market value so ultimately the County Board will be determining what price they are willing to accept or not accept for the property so I just want to make sure that everybody has that expectation in mind and then as I mentioned earlier we do need to identify something called a public purpose that is different than a public use a public use is going to be a fire station a Public Works building a public purpose is broader and it can Encompass Redevelopment it can Encompass uh removing blight it can Encompass multiple things um but we will need to articulate for the the county our public purpose in purchasing the property um so those are some just some things to think about I will absolutely walk through both of the the the Eda and the council through all of that at this presumed um upcoming closed work session provided that that's some The Next Step that the Eda would like to take I think so yeah so we need a motion on that you okay that I think so yeah I do uh I am okay with that I think that you know we sort of need to work backward a little bit on this what do we want this thing to end up to be and that um because of the way that the property is owned and has to be reacquired I guess um you know it needs to be a shared Vision with the council and the Eda so I think that's the logical Next Step um okay for it and then understanding better kind of this public purpose thing might yeah you know restrict a little bit or help it guide us to um you know what our vision can be U you know and then we pick the path on how to move forward but I think we got to have that first so the joint session makes total sense to me also we have two brand new council members and so we as a council can't necessarily say I mean you Scott and I here but you know we aren't the we aren't the voice of everybody and and I don't think we know what the voice of everybody is at this point okay so do we need a motion yeah we will I want to make sure you're okay with this before we everything he said everything he said than go go ahead I'll make a motion that we should have a joint session with Council to discuss this we have a motion on the floor do we have a second I'll second that all in favor I all opposed motion pass is 70 okay thank you any more in that c Amanda we got to worry about here or no I'm good I'm thank you John we're all good H so uh we got the 140 P ended in 14 that's uh handled yeah so we've we've only really talked about the triangle piece there's another tax forfeiture part in the village but this is all incomp encompassing okay and Robin Street that's the one in the village yes 28 yep all right up updates they have let's move forward to uh board and updates hden do you want to do the residential sure before we leave to that I'd like to get for for long as we got everybody here a good photo sure so that when this goes out we'll be able to say this is your group working for you maybe we can have Zach or Zach take a picture of us working for them but can I ask just quickly the 1.56 and the 9.08 are what is that is that's the triangle or is that Tri okay that's what I thought but then he said six the 1.56 the p and in in 9 and yes so the the first two PS mentioned are is the triangle property on Dayton Parkway then the third is on Robinson Street then the third is the one that you showed there is that actually Robinson Street yes so that's residential no no I know but I'm looking at the photo here and I Robinson Street comes down and turns to the left and that one's two blocks off of Robinson Robinson when it turns to the left also goes to the right becomes a different street okay that's been there a while so that's a new tax forfeiture uh it not new it's I don't know what year it is but it it's okay but then the city also owns several other Lots on Robinson there as well now we do with the lent property yeah but there were there's another one that we own near uh close to the post office yeah and then there's another one that's right on the corner I think where the roundabout oh yes yeah yeah y we should probably get another just like a update to everybody on what was he all have down there the city has so we can kind of because now that we bought the L property what else do we have just thinking about it in big picture Okay v l lent property acquisition go ahead uh Mr President members of the Eda I'll be brief on this but uh this was a slide I put together for the Planning Commission uh for their January meeting just a recap of the 2024 single family home permits and kind of what is the status of what is still available what's Yet to Come uh for 2025 and Beyond be happy to answer any questions on this could you this slide be sent out to us yeah absolutely yeah so one thing to note in in the detail that kind of the takeaway is we have about a three-year supply of residential lots if everything that's been approved and and that's under review currently now we have about a threeyear supply that's based on 2024 yep based on 2024 permits um being issued and that that would be consistent with a three-year does that feel like we got a lot of inventory or does it feel like we're tight no I mean or just about right that's the question is see Zack shrugging over there why are we shrugging I don't know M it's tough It's a tough answer I think it's the right answer wrong sure do the tough one thanks Ben yeah okay don't be your all day let's go all right do we have 25 legislation Bonnie requests yes uh we have four no five bonding request so we have a 2 million for the Northwest water tower 5 million for the Wellhead Northwest Wellhead treatment facility uh 3 million for Dayton River Road and Pine View roundabout uh 1 and A4 million for the fire training facility and then 400,000 for Ed Lane acquisition so a total of $1,650,000 that were asking from the legislature okay open me laws y so just as a reminder since uh this is January it's the 1 of the year uh for open meeting laws you have a quum that's any more than two uh well no for it's more than this for it'd be more than three more than three so uh just a reminder for when you're communicating with other Eda members uh if you're talking to more than three in one location or in one mode it is violation of the open meeting law does that include like uh Zach was teaching us that when we do a BCC and they cannot respond back to us that's that's a legible purpose I no uh so the the way that the open meeting law works is staff is always able to send communication to everybody that's not a violation but uh between members you cannot communicate with each other unless you are communicating with less than uh a quorum so with less than four people and keep in mind there's something called the serial meeting law violation which is where one of you would email to the other one who would forward it on to the third who would forward it on to the fourth we have a violation so if you want communication to go out to the entire group it is always best to send it to staff and have staff disseminate that information um versus anything where you're sending it from your email it's just the safest way to prevent a violation well that's quite a bit different than what we were taught you were taught of blind BCC Zach I'll CL I'll clarify what I meant by BCC I meant that staff can BCC everybody and I apologize if that was the mistaken because that was the idea is that staff can then send out all information um similar to what Mr Johnson has said that staff can BCC everybody and then everybody has the same information and the reason why we BCC is so that you cannot reply all um we can send it out to everybody as in like a two FR two actually in the line the risk we run with that with staff members is that you could then reply instead of replying just to me you could reply all on accident and now we have them open Med and law violation now I believe and I'm going to have to clarify and ask the question but I believe it's a personal liability not a like professional liability as in it's not the city that's liable it's the person who's communicating that's liable for that open meeting law violation so so this in a practice sense so if staff sends us an email we should only respond reply to staff not to everybody yes and it's a great call to do the BCC they're they're basically just setting you up for Success right so they're going to email you you're not going to be able to see all of the other Eda members so you don't have to worry about accidentally replying all you can reply safely because that's not a risk I I do the exact same thing unless by accident or whatever you can't cuz you can't see who they've copied you can't see the BCC line so you can't reply at all you can't reply at all it's just a fail safe um then the second thing is that as an Eda member you should never send an email to more than three Eda members ever period basically stop and keep in mind because you count also yeah yeah you can't get around it by you send it I'm going to send it to two you two and then you go ahead and forward it to two more and then you you can't that's that serial violation so uh and if this is a personal um violation which means that you are personally liable it is not something that is uh the city's sort of violation it's you personally uh how this would be found out is if somebody did a data Practices Act request and asked for all of the emails and then pieced it together that there was these emails that were sent improperly that's generally the other the other um large violation of open meeting law is I don't know if you're on Facebook but if you're on Facebook and you're talking about City business Eda business you need to have a completely public profile you can't block people from your page if you do then that's considered a violation because you're not doing it out in you know in the open and again you would never want to communicate with each other on that on a Facebook or some other social media but I think Facebook is probably the most coming questions all right board updates B yep that that's you from the board board members yeah whatever you got what do you got for an update what do I have for an update yeah it's cold out that's all I got for an update I don't really have nothing so I mean I didn't understand the BCC thing because I was trained in a different mode we will not correct that um go ahead and that's why I wanted to make sure it got brought up just CU make sure that we're all on the same page with things and information being shared properly and improperly and itess since I mention earlier I remember mentioning it I think it was about a year ago when I said we should BCC everybody um just to save everybody from the reply all thing and and that was incorrect information that I gave so that's what I make sure that everyone's on the same page which is why we're talking about it today I was following Direction and all here we are it's the wrong dire staff can be CC everybody yeah we cannot um okay put a pin in this we done a journ motion to I I would just like to add uh Zach thank you for uh coming this morning um very interesting and it's one of the things that I'm personally interested is overall market and how it applies to what the Ed is doing so I I appreciate you taking the time will you guys come up for a photo motion yeah one more thing just uh for the February meeting we're going to discuss the vision for Dayton Parkway uh we'll review ownership map for the date uh Old Village and then we'll have a prear plant review for DCM farms uh which is proposing a gas station 10,000 ft² retail oh that's the one by Dean there again that's what's on it currently no this is proposed no I mean our agenda for next time for February okay I we have some additions okay okay motion to adjourn I'll make a motion second second all in favor I I all opposed motion carries adjourned e