e e what uh 4:16 24 731 on time before I call it the order I'm going to make some changes to this uh agenda 6A i' like to remove that you want to remove 6A I do okay and 6B if we're here to discuss homebased businesses this body has never discussed a homebased business and we voted on way in the past so is 6B going to be a homebased business or is it going to be for an event center conversation um it is an event center conversation but why have you not reviewed homebased businesses because we never have we've made a decision way in the past that homebased businesses aren't at the same level as a brick andmar business so therefore if we start having conversations about homebased business then we got to have conversation about every homebased business which includes tax guys to what have you I would agree to a point except for the fact that the homebased businesses is then taking away from Commercial Business areas that could be expanded or um pushed into so depending on the business I would agree with you for some of them but some of them are commercial based businesses and should be in a commercial based area and that would be a notification I would think for the Eda to know that hey we need more space for commercial businesses in town let's get that moving which is why that one is on the agenda tonight today so I'm fine with if you don't want to review them that's totally fine which one um 6 6A 6B is just more or less an informational thing of just letting you know that there's an event center and event center is technically a business but you know just want to get the recommendation for the from the Eda about moving forward if you want them don't want them what are you thinking about event centers so on and so forth specific to this one or moving forward okay we'll have discussion on 6B but I do remove 6A okay I don't hear any objections from any okay all right reason for wanting to move remove 6A 6A because it's a homebased business okay and homebased businesses aren't brick and motar businesses and we in the past have made this a what should we say a group policy that we don't discuss anything that isn't well I think the qu yeah I mean the think the thing that we talked about this was like five years ago was that um you know if homebased businesses having a it's kind of like the food truck restaurant thing where you might have an advantage over commercial businesses and so encouraging homebased businesses wouldn't necessarily be something we'd want to do but I think there's you know there are differences like you're indicating on homebased businesses I mean you go into a residential area you decide you're going to own open a trucking company and you got trucks in your backyard is maybe different than an event center as an example absolutely 20 30 40 cars in your on your property versus one right and so I I mean I as I recall the discussion it was it was more about equity in terms of how do you make sure that people aren't encouraged just to open a homebased business because it's cheaper and less Reg regulations and less property tax Etc than trying to go into the commercial areas and and pay the big numbers so I don't know I'm not sure exactly it looks to me like the city has already uh well denied one and approved one what or maybe that's just being recommended for this for this today this recommended yeah I don't think so it goes to City C I mean do we approve it or do the the city council approves it but again we're trying to get I'm trying to get the Eda involved with things so that you guys have some sort of voice and recommendations so that you aren't just skipped over and then it's like well why didn't I review that which is um very very logical so but we've had this discussion in the past and I still think we should have no opinion on anything with homebased business until they become either a brick and morot or they change their zoning or they come to the plate or they say this particular home lawn smart wants to say hey I I can't do it here I need a brick and mortar then then we get involved sure okay that's I said that's totally fine I just want to make sure that the whole Eda has you know well and the other thing I think is like seems to me we'd want to encourage places like lawn smart to find another well I mean based on what I read that that property is not longterm anyway because the Dayton Parkway is going right through the middle of it but encourage them to stay in Dayton and help them I mean to me eda's role is kind of maybe to help them find a Closter growth commercial site right then then we involve yep yeah but by by allowing it to continue and not I mean it's going to go to council and council's going to make a decision on this I mean if he he doesn't want to touch it that's fine I mean yep well in staff saying they're recommending denying the lawn smart you have to try John well the guy is way over I mean he's he's he's violating all kinds of rules yeah well I mean there's a number of them around the town so so right now we're discussing the agenda correct yeah so do you want to discuss it or not it's the question negative okay I don't care okay sounds good we won't discuss it that's on and then you want to add like a I don't even know you want to add um a number let's go let's move seven down to move the new seven will be um you want to discuss goals from the last well we still got to discuss 6B and if it's an event center base I think we should be involved but if it's about another homebased business Dean pumkins it's Event Center not not all right then we should just still discuss that so let's make a b and b c yep so 6A will be struck from the agenda 6B will become 6A yep and then we'll have seven added and that's discuss goals and confirmed goals from last meeting and then I will send it out to the Eda I apologize I did not get out that beforehand but I needed to get you guys the goals for this year well we're going to have just a reasonable discussion about what our expectations are as we fit in this city you got it yep discuss an approval okay do we have approval of this uh agenda do we see all that yeah yeah you good Jack yep I'm good okay I'm good consent agenda approval of the minut we got we got have a motion a second motion oh sorry okay all in favor no we got get have a second okay I'm new at this all in favor all right all okay we have a second all in favor he all opposed motion carries consent agenda number a letter A approval of minutes did you all go through the last uh the last uh approval of the last minut 19 I did yes I did also and anything to say oh you weren't here I'm sorry I wasn't here yeah okay when you said you took notes right John um I'm sure but I've been looking at him for a month okay we had the discussion about uh caterpillar and and that okay Dave's feeling was that it didn't mirror the perspective usage sure when we were discussing outdoor storage yeah he had had concerned about it and that I agreed um I understand that it didn't agree I mean there's there's my my thing I did understand what he saying and as to Foster that growth forward it's kind of like well I I I kind of agreed with that but I do believe that the Ziggler should have moved forward and did that move forward did y y okay then it's a mood Point okay okay I just want to make sure a record I didn't say anything I didn't really want to say sure and let's see here agenda appr of minutes let's see here um the consent to General elastics approve minutes did the guys with the putting cards together did they did they pass Council yes yes did they pass as a 5 don't remember it was either 41 or 5 either 4 to1 or 5 think goes four to1 okay so so no matter what now we got a now we have a licensed dealer in town um yes that is correct okay well they I don't have they're license yet from the state so I can't say that they have a they have an i is it a cup or an iup i c so they have a cup conditional conditional use permit so have a c for that property they do not have I don't know if they have the license that comes from the state that's not from us so when you ask the question if they have the license I I don't know but they have the ability to get a license now yes there was some stipulations on that on that permit too too I'm sorry there's stipulations on that per some restrictions y any reason why the uh Council decided not to uh listen to their Eda on this one I don't have an answer for you nothing it was it was recommended for denial as well by the Planning Commission so so the Planning Commission and the Eda denied this and Council went ahead move forward with it y that's correct there's three businesses in that in that building under and the the target I'll call it a target the target that you Eda and and whater had didn't really affect this business it was it was more pointed to it should have been more pointed to the original business this guy was a uh a repair uh jockey kind of guy selling four or five cars a month so right I'm aware of the situation but did we clear up the issue with qsg is he has is there anybody inspecting this now that we have this he's got to pass all the different inspections we have to part of the C inspections y okay part of the C they have to be inspected by state and fire State Fire Marshall yeah yeah you can they're on the they're on the agenda or the council meeting packet online if you go to the city dating you can't link us in on that or give I can I can give it to you would you yep because here's here's my fear of this and no bang on on these car guys this is going to catch you this is going to bite you and I I foresee this being an issue later in life when there is no monitoring well there there is no monitoring there because no reason to they'll monitor it once and then they're done oh that's not the way it's been proposed to to the council I mean it's proposed that the guy's got to get his state license he's got to pass all the inspections uh our city is going to be checking him out for yeah we have minimum minimum I believe it was annual inspections by the fire code mhm and then the fire the fire dep can go on any business at any time technically and and ask for an inspection as part of fire code we don't do it typically because we're trying to make it that we're you know we're trying to be friendly we're not trying to be mean but I get you he was specifically asked if uh if the things he's working on were going to be drained from uh oils and they said he said yes so we'll see if that happens I mean I like you don't believe it's going to happen and if if if he violates any of that he was told that it's going to be it could be revoked yeah yeah it'll be revoked does the cup have to be renewed on that nope no any that's only an iup oh looking for approval of minutes okay well I just want to noted for the record that the Planning Commission and Eda approved to deny this and Council moved forward on this y m all right approve minutes appr minutes I'll make a motion to approve of minutes sir second okay a second I'll second all in favor all opposed motion carries approval minutes 3A car shop discussion open Forum I know there's a lot of people that aren't In Their audience this morning but it doesn't mean they can't call in is this is this a Callin deal where they could actually do this from home we don't currently have zoom setup for Eda we can it just adds another layer of complexity to things and I've been just trying to we got a video which is great so at least people can re-watch the meetings which is fantastic um The Next Step will be to zoom again um the whole world of having Zoom available is up in the air now so we're starting to move away from covid more and more communities are recommending and more and more um because they don't I don't it's less personable if you're not in front of us to have conversations or to be able to communicate with the Eda Council Planning Commission whatever so more and more communties are going away from actually having remote access points currently we still have it we still have it yes and we we can do it I just uh my my concern well not a concern just we're at 700 in the morning most people are probably starting work or getting ready for work at night 5 6 o'clock 7 o'clock everybody's home usually and it's easier for them to get in here sure we start setting up watch from home sure so I just want to make sure that if we have a chance and there's people out in the zoom world who would want to chime in or have a conversation or log in or whatever you guys do we want to give them that opportunity to have our transparency give them a voice I mean anybody can they can if they want we don't have a zoom yet oh yeah I don't have the zoom set up for do we want do we want to open this transparency up for now or or how much effort is that to set up I mean it was way more effort before we had video before we had Chris here in the morning but yeah we had a take recorder um correct so it's not as much effort as much as it is anymore but I can do it it's just more or less takes an extra 5 10 minutes for me to set up in the morning which is horrendous would you be okay doing that sure will you guys agree to this how would people actually there's a zoom link oh so like it would just be out on the website or something okay it's it's not that much more difficult we just have to post it so it takes a little bit more time on the front end 5 10 minutes that takes a little more time on the back endend when I'm setting up things 5 10 minutes not horrendous but it's just more or less one more step and um getting here at 7:15 for unfortunately for me it's a little more difficult than we we have nobody out there anytime but let's at least try it and see if they want to chime in and if it doesn't work out we turn it off sure that saves you some time in the morning I don't want to load admin up with it's not that much work things like all 5 10 minutes not the end of the world okay good so the motion is do we need motion to try it no oh no okay okay hey open forum is now closed let's get to the Eda flower pots yes good morning Eda chair and members of the Eda um this is the time of year we approved sponsorships or went off for advertised for sponsorships last year and so we're looking again to do the same thing this year um advertised for sponsorships there is eight flower pots we have currently available for sponsorships they'll run from June to May so basically why I'm doing it now is we have now till the next meeting to get essentially people um for flower pot sponsorships this will go up on the website this will go on the city of Dayton app and it'll also probably go on Facebook I'm the first eight people to contact me and move forward we'll for for seven why oh sure okay sa it for six so um one thing that we are looking Scott on it so what we are looking to do when we set up the flower pot um sponsorship last year um we wanted to just do summer flowers and that was why the $150 charge was there for was for to get the plaque and to get the um flowers for the um flow pots however during towards the fall we had somebody come reach out to us as a resident and um ask us would you be willing to put winter decorations in there and we said yes and they said we'd like to I'd like to do that for you with no charge for me volunteer and I'd also like to donate all of the materials and though all of those materials like all of the big the pine trees in there and all all of the you know ornaments and everything else that was in there all winter long were all donated by somebody in the community uh which is fantastic and wonderful but I think it's appropriate that we at least paid for the stuff in the in the flower in the flower pots and we did not do that so my recommendation is move from $150 to $200 to cover those Christmas decorations cuz I think they looked really nice over the winter they didn't yeah they look nice yeah yeah so um Public Works will move them from where their current locations are which were kind of budged together and off the sidewalk so that they didn't get wrecked by snow and snow plowing and stuff they'll move those back to the sidewalk um now in the in the spring here once we do the regular flower pots and such so is the the question I have was cuz I thought it looked a little odd when they were all bunched together so is that the plan for the winter we can do a different plan next year but we want we could not have them on the sidewalk anymore because we were worried about the county snow plows hitting them over yeah and also us clearing the sidewalks M so we mov them and bunch them on I don't know what the alternative plan is but it's it just seems less than impactful on the winter piece when they're all Bunch together kind of I would concur but we only have so many spots to put them it's either that or you got to take them basically it was a spot to store them yep yeah I I get that and I mean and they could and they could actually look nice like I said the decoration instead of empty yeah otherwise they're going to be emptied and then put up in public works for the winter which is fine too but I feel like having them out was at least something for your sponsorship at least you knew that was there and you know you're getting something from it this way this way dragging them around on a trailer to get them back to Public Works one of them is going to tip over and break and then we'll be replacing a pot yep it's bound to happen you on board with this Jack so my recommendation is I there was a better plan for the winter you know like to actually be able to see something in the winter because they're just all kind of the only other alternative is you go to whoever whoever they're in front of and you say hey can I move it off this sidewalk and onto your little piece of lawn yeah which that's certainly viable too then they're where they were placed all summer all year long sure to me that would make more sense if it's doable but I mean it's just yeah that's all private property in general I support it I was just trying to add some commentary how do we improve it I guess okay so you're okay with the five then yeah all right so we need a motion to uh move forward or that yep no motion oh the one question that we are going to find somebody different to Plum this year we're going to use we're going to probably use the same gal that did the winter ones okay she is a volunteer in the community and she loved doing it I think they looked really really nice when she did the winter ones that was totally something different than somebody do the summer ones the summer ones were not good the that work that little M murns murns yeah something like that Kim I don't remember her name already deal with them which was great like I said she did ask your question about that yeah as long as somebody different is planting them you need a motion to move forward yes I that's fine we have we'll see how the 200 bucks thing goes and it goes it's fine all in favor second yeah I all opposed motion carries wonderful repeat uh 5.5 do we have any attaction on the rfps uh that's not on the agenda but we have zero applicants so far on anything and anything I've had lots of questions no applicants we have 14 days till the end of though thank you I'll give you that how about that move down to seven I'll give you a STA and board update I just want I want to keep the agenda where it's at so we'll talk about it in seven okay so six we're going to strike 6A turn it into 6B iup Event Center for Dean pumpkins now this is an event center conversation it is not an homebased business conversation and I want to uh make sure that's Ultra clear correct so this is an interm use permit for an event center which includes Dean's pumpkins so it includes we we've asked um Dean to as to clarify everything that they could possibly have on the property which includes uh pick your own pumpkins the uh you know birthday partings uh wedding receptions we have uh uh outdoor concerts potentially there's uh I think they had some interest last year from the ice castles that were located in Maple Grove um and uh as well as motorcross race in for practices so I think for Motocross the intent was one day a week um although it's not the the IEP does not limit them to that um this was reviewed by the plan commission the Planning Commission recommended approval for a 30-year IEP versus a fiveyear which is what's five years a typical I is five years okay is that it sure historically in in the uh Dayton community Farms never had any type of restrictions if you were a farm you could do anything you wanted to IP JP Auto Repair IP you know there's things out there that and and why now all of a sudden we have to let this individual have his cup so this more than an agricultural business if you think of uh you know you can look at like pick your own pumpkins as being an agricultural business um but then you add birthday parties and and the other things and now it's more of a commercial business than is agricultural point taken how about JP repair that's a that was a homebased business and he had an auto shop in there okay well that would be a homebased business so different from an agricultural business he should have had an iup well I do recall the previous two two ago Mar ago and he turned just his shop into a commercial property that's not possible I'm just letting you know here Dayton has always historically operated on a I know you so you can do whatever you want operations y go to boy club yep and so Dayton is now turning into and we need to continue to do and follow the rules and codes we have in force which is not to restrict people but to make sure that everyone's following the same yep rules that everyone else has agreed so that is why this is coming in front of now um Planning Commission Council Eda is because they are operating an event center at this location which we want to encourage and think that is a really good thing for the community overall but it needs to follow the rules and regulations that every other Event Center has so that we aren't saying XYZ person you can't do this but XY y person you can do that you can do that yeah standards you got it so that is why it's coming in front of Eda Planning Commission Council and again it's not to restrict it's just to provide the same rules and regulations for everybody you know that we may or may not have had in the past so are we cons you said this is an egg business not a so he's expanding his business this is an event center so just think of this as a a totally different use yeah he is not going to farm on the property essentially saying he's got a lot of land and what he's going to do with it he wants to do pumpkin patch fantastic he wants to do weddings birthday parties Motocross um haunted hay rides corn maze corn maze ice C vessels essentially using the property for something other than farming did the zoning change no no no so it's not a business but it is a business it's a business it's a business what's the zoning of that property now A1 still A1 it's in it's a business in agricultural area yep I missed the Motocross part then you mean well since when is a motocross track an A1 well neither is a wedding but wedding's not A1 either but it's an event center in that an event center is allowed in only agricultural properties period so you can't have an event center across the street at a um R3 District residential area you have to be in an A1 District in order for you to have an event center the definition of an event center is it has to be larger than 30 acres and it has to be doing something related to an event and or events that you're going to have throughout the year essentially more than just one event um another event center that you will see moving forward will be Magnus veterans Foundation they're also an event center you had um Fisher Farms how many AC how many acres is across uh across Magnus one that just sold how many is that the one across from Magnus yeah techically 60 is one of them and another 20 in the other one so I think it's 80 they qualify for that that's correct inventer and that's Fisher Farms which is where that's the reason this all came up basically that's correct ah Fishers were required to get an advin Center permit yes so what's good for the goose is good for the gander right so Dean is just conforming to what for so that was my question the original Event Center ordinance which I never did be able to find a copy out on the on the website but is this essentially identical I mean in terms of the restrictions to Fisher or no so different es um so the the Ordnance requires a a hard surface parking for example so like Fisher F Farms has a gravel parking lot Deans does not so they would have grass the reason being is that they they can still farm that when it's not being use as a parking lot right um so that's one difference so they are continuing to farm too and that's one of the things we can make them conform we could say you have to have it if we want to have consistency across the community but that is going to be up to the Eda planning Comm Council not at staff right but they could be in N of these the general umbrella is the same there may be differences in nuances within each one of them because this one has this and this one has that that that make um you know they might be V not a definition of a variance but they'd be variances within each event center based on location size space whatever which makes um but we could keep them all consistent if the Eda plan Council wanted to well and I don't think I mean you know like in the case of Deans I mean you got this Big Field where they Park M he's going to put hay or whatever in that when they're not using it so to me to make that to force them to have a hard surface parking lot on that whole field all year round is a I mean does that make sense well we did we did to Fishers yep yeah but I mean in Fisher's case were they going to farm that were they going to farm the parking lot when it wasn't being used sure you know so Fisher Farms is an apple orchard you know I couldn't say if they would have did something else with the you know apple orchard is being it's not an annual crop um you know versus hay um so so it's not I don't know I guess I guess I'm advocating for I it seems to me that it's somewhat situational but also you got to try to be as Fair as possible so yep I I don't know it's it's kind of like you know is it does it make common sense to make this farmer put in a hard surface parking lot when he's going to farm it yeah it would make it land unusable and that that would be hindrance of us so I mean I to me it makes the Eda is making it harder or anyone is making it harder for this individual to do business and we because he has an alternative use when it's not one of the major owners in Dayton we have to remember that and we have to realize that he's lived here his whole life yep a lot of people lived here their whole life yeah well lot of them don't have how many 100,000 acres sitting around too either it's true I mean I I I don't like playing favorites based on how long you've been here and who you know and you don't none of that should matter yeah because I rules are rues everyone knows the Deans and and I talk to them consistently as well but it's just you know it's all it's all about being everyone's got the same playing court whether you've been here for two years or 50 years understood yeah or if you own 5,000 Acres or you owned a quarter acre right to me it's more about eda's role is you know try to uh you know help out that businesses can yep can uh do business without too many restrictions and I I think that a one size fits all isn't going to necessarily work on the event centers but I obviously you need to have some core principles core principles yeah or or guidelines and then there's I guess the one-offs like this parking lot example to me I you know and I believe staff recommended that same thing is like I believe from Johan and I's conversations is that we recommended the same thing like there's going to be a structure here but a thousand cars I read that yeah you know many cars thousand cars is you you know how busy Dean pumpkins is on an mea weekend oh dude that's huge I mean it's there was a lot of cars there this year I was there on Ma weekend was there there was probably a minimum of 600 yeah I would say between three and 500 well it appears they got a good business going and we should mess with it yep so that's why it's part of the Eda do you want to continue to allow the Event Center do you not want to do you think it's somewhere else shouldn't go here whatever and that's it that's basically what it's here in front of for so Jack you okay with them running it the way they run it yeah I don't see a problem I think the only issue I saw when I was out there is just uh you know traffic can be I mean it's not terrible but it's it's a back road that's not an issue it's more it's just the weird way that road is where you come up and then there's this hair pin turn to yeah like I said those are nuances if it if this was on a major roadway deal we'd have a totally different deal we'd ask them to do turn lanes and this is totally different so this is why every individual one is a little bit different than each other one because depending on location space size you know number of people that are there it's a totally different deal which is I mean I think it it draws people to the community sure uh and so in that principle from an Eda perspective I support it and I think an event center makes sense and the community being that we want to keep a rule deal to the community community and I guess the specifics are up to the city council or whatever on you know parking lots and this and that I would encourage I guess flexibility on a caseby casee basis all we got to do is KN our head y I'll make a I'll make a motion I'll second it okay we have a motion to continue Mr Dean's activities as listed yep all in favor I I'm fine with it I'll years motion carries and that was again Event Center not homebased business that's correct yep and just that iup you said is 30 years that's what the Planning Commission is recommending so the the typical iup is five years okay five or 20 five is the is the normal iup process is be five years and the reason for that is that typically an iup um will change the with the hands of an owner um but also an iup and a business will be changing over time so hopefully within the 5year time frame we're not looking at iupp anymore we're looking for you to then move from that spot to the next spot and that's why typically a 5year time frame works for most people but and that's why like I said if you came in front of you Pete it's typically a 5-year one and the Planning Commission is recommending a 30-year one because just based on location and and development and having Center space we're going to have more of these in the city eventually so you know the groundwork if they were yeah we have one already this would be the second one and then Magnus will be SL shortly behind here that'll be the third one so Magnus wasn't on any type of a program now they not well they were on they were on a they were on something yes they got changed when they moved to it in 2019 but I don't know all the stipulation to it but it was not classified as an event center at that time so is Sean's gig a um what do you call it CP CPO 3 or NPO 3 uh um I don't know what that is nonprofit organization um yeah it's a 501c3 501c3 okay so they they are that and did we change Zoning for that area when moved out yes I think it went to an 82 which is an agricultural special district so he's allowed to do different things in the special district than he would be if you were on na A1 Property is he considered a medical Arena uh I don't know specific so I don't want to say yes or no but I believe that was General the general basis was to get something like that yes but I don't I'm not going to say yes or no because I don't remember for sure because I've not read that oh I think it was a cup that was passed in 2019 well that's the reason why we're probably getting all this stuff thrown at us yeah it's just everybody on the same page yep is was fiser a iup it was was it yes yes and what's their day five years or five years okay I don't quote me it was either five years or 20 years but there was a regulation at five years that the parking lot had to be then moved off of laale and there's no more access off of the county road and right something El there's there's changes to it in 5 years for sure I just don't remember if the whole IP was 5 years or if the whole IP was 20 years and then there was a 5year income in and a cup was permanent right permanent that's correct okay follow as to property which is why we didn't do a cup for a property because if you want to keep I mean an iupp to re up is typically fairly simple you apply for it and then you just basically go I'm doing this already can I continue and then yes and then it's pretty simple so there you go we all good next all right call new item seven y 7B 7 a where we at with this new item seven new item seven discuss and approved goals the reason I I wanted to the goal review is that c councilman pasat brought brought up a a situation about having a budget and I I don't disagree with him he's he's got a a good point there um but we have been forgoed our tax this year our Levy yes and in the past years several of them we were always asked to forgo it not tooken from us and that creates a a a budgeting a we are no different than the police or the fire department who request a budget and then they get us approved by Council and then we We Carry On and Here we are but we've never had that in the past and I think one of these confusions we're having is because we haven't quite decided if we are a an authority or be not an authority based upon our Taxation and we've had this conversation and I've had it with the city attorney and I've had it with the league of Minnesota cities and and everybody says everything different and nobody really knows so if our goals are to truly ask for a budget versus we have taxation based upon some of the state state statutes and our bylaw State this because we couldn't find the founding document which created that where do we land on this I was able to find the fing document you found the document the 1990 resolution that enabled the Eda yes and enabled to to what you were to follow All State statutes related to the Eda that's what the enabling resolution said and any other changes made to State statutes within 4611 to 46119 or some whatever that there's a state statute section that says here's an Eda and here's everything you can do in an Eda and so everything on that in that resolution I can give it to you I have it in my office but 461 do whatever oh yeah it's 461 1.01 or something like that and then to to 461 whatever the last number is 119 or something and it says any and any changes within that area moving forward essentially that resolution and and that states roughly in and nutsh it says everything that the Eda can do that's correct so we we had taxation no the Eda does not have taxation Authority based on State Statute the bylaws say that you do have taxation Authority without any approval by the council however that gets superseded by state statute based on the fact that state statute is what's run by the eda's resolution that was passed in 1990 okay so only the I'm a little bit confused but I don't understand it so the state statute says an Eda can do a lot of things there's a ton of things the Eda can do however one of them one of the limits of powers of an Eda is that you have taxation Authority up to 0118 or 0113 market value that's the most you can Levy however it says as a limit of that Levy is that you have to you have request Authority essentially or you have request authority to the council to ask for um approval of a budget or a levy to be able to do Eda type functions um in other communities the Eda is the council so it makes the conversation very very easy when the Eda is the council so there's not really that request process in our community there's a different board for the Eda so that Eda needs to request from the council an Eda Levy um we have not done that in the past because it's just been we're going to put money into the Eda that's been the directive of council is to put money into the Eda and then that changed this last year with the process because even though we never requested in the past now the request didn't happen again and it was because it's never happened in the past so this Council said we're not going to put money into the Eda again this year not saying that there can't be money added to the Eda again in the future but for now we're going to move the money away and put it towards something else and last year was operations which would be fire department Police Department Public Works Finance admin whatever that's that's what they move the money to now not say that's gone forever um and the Eda most certainly is part of one of their goals if they'd like to put together a budget this year that might be a very achievable and easy goal of things they want to do in 25 of here's what we'd like to do and has some concrete goals of here's what we'd like to do and then that would improve or then you'd request tax levy dollars from the council so the last two years if I recall yep we did not tax the no we did last one year just this year just this year is the only year we so I think it's two so did we I thought it was two too I think it's no we we cut it in half this oh that's right we reduced it yeah it was 169,000 in 21 22 it went to 100,000 23 was 100,000 and then this year was nothing so were they colle so were were they collecting Eda Taxation and moving it to other uses or no it's all Ed okay the Eda does I think there's a little bit of a confusion about what the levy is and how much money you have in the bank for the Eda right so the you still have all of the previous tax levy dollars that you've ever levied for like it's not like the money just went okay we're taking all your I think it's like I think it's 600,000 something like that went all now that's in operations no no no you still have the money it's still there it's just we didn't add to the bucket this year essentially right we didn't add any dollars to that bucket of 600 Grand and so we didn't collect anything from the citizens you got it correct correct yes and I my understanding was the city council's uh Logic on that was that there were other taxes that were maybe going up so they you got it we didn't need the money so why you know what happened find a way to cut something that's it in a nutshell that's it I would agree with that yep okay so it's not like your money I'm the guy so every year we got a request that if we want correct and like I said historically we've never had to do that we've never we've never had to request because it's just been we're going to keep moving it Forward every single year we're going to put roughly 100 Grand has been the number that we've that Council agreed upon I think it was in 21 for the 22 budget that said we want to use 100 Grand and just keep it there every single year and that wasn't the max no no our Max is we have to requ I'm going to say 330 to $380,000 is the max for the Eda that's the 0181 3% of market value that's it ought to be a standing agenda item on it'll at a certain time of year or whatever yeah so what we should be doing and this is on this is part on me as well so I take blame as well for not putting this in front of the Eda is sometime in either June or July's meetings when we when we start budget talks so as an item for the goals it sounds like you want to add this has a goal of create a budget for 2025 yep with expenses of that's going to happen for the Eda we certainly do okay I think that's most certainly a goal that can be achieved and also something that you can actually tangible so part of the goals is actually can you tangibly do it because otherwise there's no way to know if you got there or not um but that's a goal we can most do kind of a big subject you know yeah like I said the dollars haven't gone away I'm just trying to figure out exactly what okay so currently the Eda has more than I thought $677,000 that it was almost close to seven y who's our Treasurer no I think it's Jack is it yeah yeah 677 I've been president and vice president yeah and that you know obviously that money is not just you know it's collecting interest um right now our interest rate um got really good interest now five and a quarter so then what are we allowed to use that money for so that's why you need to create a budget okay because currently this year you have no authority to spend any money you can still spend money but you have to then get approval from Council for spending the money because you don't have a budget essentially because it's unbudgeted dollars if you created a budget for 25 like we'd like to spend $10,000 more on flower pots or you want to do you want to spend spend you know money on buying land or something you can create a budget there and then that would be approved by Council and once it's approve budget item then you're able to spend the money but what if just again I don't understand this entirely but let's use that triangle piece of property that we've been talking about yep what if you know we want we don't want to use our money we want to save our money in case a million dollar piece of property comes up yep we can just you can request for more Levy but then you say our plan is to not spend any money but just get a bank going so that we're able to do a larger purchase in the future okay um and you could request Levy without actually requesting any expenditures that's what your question is yep okay and even though you don't have the million to to do something like that right now you could still ask for it and and get a bridge okay I mean the Eda doesn't have to I mean they they technically can because nothing is is budgeted for this year all of it is unbudgeted if you wanted to buy a piece of property for a million dollar and you only had $700,000 in the bank you could then ask Ed the council to say we'd like to buy this piece of property and also we need a loan for 300 Grand and then the Eda could allow a loan to come back to the Eda and the Eda would then pay for it in the future with future Levy dollars so we're going to have Debt Service on this loan no so this is internal yes okay we're taking out GF you got it yeah we if you did that if you did that yeah this so I think one of our goals is to be pointing towards this triangle and see where we can get this purchased up sure that's one 1.5 million has anybody negotiated with these guys yet um no but I don't know if we're going to have a lot of negotiation power well we're still working on the uh the uh appraisal aren we no you got it working on the what working on the what appraisal I thought well what the appra who appraised it who appraised it thank you let's talk about that on the public record um okay that's not so because the question was asked now I have to answer the question um the appraisal came back in at $1.7 million the county appraised it nope third party our third party appraiser 1.7 million better buy it for one five so like I said I I think 15 is going to be our best number I I could most certainly try to negotiate but but we still never negotiate with h county yet I said I could most certainly try to negotiate but typically I have to have facts in order to back up well they're not provy to our information as far as this goes let's hope not you already told him that why would you tip her hand you guys asked the question I was trying to if I don't answer a question on public record people are going to go why aren't you answering the question we should went in close close session for that question I can't do close sessions by myself could have should have would it yeah I'm all about transparency Hest one in 10,000 going to listen to this tape yeah true so what just out of curiosity what's the what is our thought around the triangle itself anyway the edas I mean is it to acquire it and resell it or is it to develop it we're about developing not flipping okay but it's up to the Ed we have we don't have right yet a proposal on what the development be no but it's not a hard spot to get a proposal over there it's if you put it up in the market oh okay it's right now tax forfeit so they're going to let us do all the work and they're come in scoop up and grab in and build whatever they want to build on is what I would see sure so at this point do we want to develop this and move forward with this or do we have to have have permission from the council you because the tax viral property is underneath the city of Dayton you'll need to request the property to be able to be used underneath the Eda function however we need to then purchase that property so it's going to be more than just we'd like to take that underneath our jurisdiction it's going to be we' like to purchase it with dollars that we don't have from the council in order to put on any third jurisdiction because currently it's tax forture so tax forture means we can use it for a public parking lot that's essentially what it's deemed for we can repurpose it as in we can keep it as tax forture and use it for a government building we can use it for public parking we can use it for a park we can use it for uh mass transit um sure that's one of the seven ways we can use it cost for a filing fee yeah you got it so we could take a $1.7 million property and pay 300 bucks for it and use personally you got it eventually so 30 years after a tax forer property comes into the property if it stays the repurposed position 11 years um takes 30 years for to come out of there when did that change um I don't remember but that's what what I would I've been told if it's 11 years that's totally different than what I've been told it is 11 years cuz that's the same one with Sans over here when they when they grabb those two sure it's an 11e cycle sure yeah from what I gathered it was 30 years and I can't remember what state statute that I'll try to figure that one out but that's what I gathered is that after 30 years then it would come into the jurisdiction of the city without any dollars so we have two questions to pose to council can we buy it and can we borrow money to buy it so when I I just want to make sure I understand but if we do not buy it and it stays tax for forfeiture property it can be developed in seven ways yes and so have we talked about or decided that those seven ways are not something we're interested in well there's discussions about what it can be right at this point time right and which is where the council's at right now that's what the council's at with it none of them seven ways earn any money at all okay and where ourway would be would be a and you're taking that parcel that value of parcel and getting nothing for it other than if a parking ride is valueable I mean not for us we're not not for us I mean what value do you have in that yeah it's for theun I mean you know why do people put them in why does Maple Grove or anyone else put them in I guess it's for for the community the good of the community business density in the area so do we want to have this discussion with Council about um can we take put this in our name and borrow 3 400,000 or whatever it is um a million dollars it's a yeah there would be 900 you don't even don't need to go there right now but as far as the number that's another discussion I think but I don't disagree I mean so with that a yes I I miss I sell it okay in my opinion it's a valuable piece of property yes and it's a Gate woodware City yeah off The Interchange I mean I'd rather have something there than a park and ride personally yep put the only other conversation we've had on that property is is the trading facility which is a revenue generator it does generate Revenue training facility for the fire department that's correct okay so we eventually put a fire station and a fire fire trading facility that's the only other thing we've had a conversation on with that property is either sell it essentially or put the training facility with the fire St on it the discussion we're having is we're recommending you're you're recommending that we ask city council for funds to purchase us so we can resell it basically for some kind of development that we believe is better correct yes and do we I mean you guys maybe is is there some kind of development that we're thinking about or it's just totally spe right now it's not in the market and it's in a prime spot so once the flag goes up we're open so there's nothing that we're necessarily thinking about we're just saying hey come with offers and we'll pick the one that we think has the most benefit to this the city in a in a sense you know we're not going to let a something weird go in there well no but that's that's the most benefit to the city mean yeah I mean regenerate tax dollars bed upon the strategy the definition would be the highest and best use how many acres is that parcel nine um nope it's down to six and a half yeah rest of it and it's right across the street from that microwave Tower or whatever it is is the cell tower that's correct okay okay so do we want to as a group ask permission [Music] to get and fund this because we we would add 100 more or 300 more in our our bank this year and we would can almost we could have almost done this by ourselves so not not only do we have to ask for release of the property we have to ask the funding to to proceed it or do we do we do we loan money against it I mean so well whatever you see as how Eda doesn't have that number you have to you'd be borrowing the money and then putting it back right at the at the sale of the property correct either internally or externally for the funding correct that's where I'm going if we can't get it internal then we why don't we go external and get it and pay service debt on which we don't want to but that's a fast flip if we decide to build a a multi level or a personally I think you're going to personally you currently that money that you would be borrowing from the city is earning interest so now all of a sudden and this is my opinion if you take it from ed8 in my opinion you should be paying that same Eda should be paying that same interest that you would be getting back can't pay interest on your own money I don't know if you can't what one body can't pay your own money I don't pay myself the burn 10 bucks you can pay yourself in your fun loans yeah you can you're it's cuz absolutely every single fund that City so this is one difference between a business and government it's every single fund is a different business so every single fund is technically like your business and your business and your business so the general fund is um I'll use Scott is Dil the Eda is Jack you're the Capital Equipment fund and you're the water fund so every single fund is a different business so we when we have a fund transfer from one fund to the other so we probably borrow money from the water fund to be honest that has the most money um you are going to then move the money from his business to that business or to Jack's business to move the money to be able to pay for it well no Jack needs to pay back Sean at least the money that he borrowed and what Scott's saying is that you need to pay an interest because Sean was actually earning interest on that money that he had in the bank yeah every single fund is a different business that's one difference between government and business that's totally different I mean you don't pay yourself $10 if you're going to borrow your business money to your personal money right mean you're not going to pay yourself interest cuz that doesn't make any sense but it's cuz you're the same business overall like you're the same entity we're government every single fund is a totally separate business and and in my opinion we can do a low interest loan but you would pay interest because every dollar of interest is one less dollar we take from the people yeah so I get you okay okay so we need three things to do we need to make sure that we have to ask our budget we have to make sure that we can ask for the triangle and we make sure we can ask for the balance of the buying yeah the borrowing do we agree with this should we make this an ask and do we need to motion this well to me there are two set so the first first one is a motion yeah the first one is a part of the goals that's creating a budget for 25 that's a goal I don't know if that's a motion or whatever but it just needs to be a standing agenda it's part of a budget and they're asking for a budget so that's in our budget we want to make sure that we get our agenda no no what yeah that's all I'm saying is on the I think in the June meeting or whatever meeting on that agenda we should have the Eda vote on a request for the budget yeah so budget will be discussion will happen in June and then you'll vote on the budget in July will you will you be open in June or are you going to be yeah I have surgery May 1st so by June I should be four four to six weeks can you zoom in yeah I could definitely zoom in but I I should be able to attend assuming everything goes good yeah don't push yourself I mean I had heart surgery and now I'm eight weeks out or nine weeks out nine I think so getting better they're good cleared me for a kidney transplant so oh W I'm good maybe we'll zoom in the one the one that you need to have a motion a second on is if you want to go to council and then I'm going to need somebody to go to council for the Eda at the meeting to sit here in front of the council and talk me I'm happy to do it for you but I think it'd be better if the Eda presented it themselves not myself and the motion is that we want to purchase the tri I would just say yep you're looking to purchase the property and any remaining balance would be done in in fund loan from the city with the intention to develop that yes that that's what your guys' attention is then we should probably put that in the request yeah that's what I would say I mean that's you get because otherwise you're just asking to buy it reason corre I right put that in there we're going toy to look at it right right and so I guess we'd say you know we want to buy this because we think it's a valuable uh economic Dev property to a Gateway property and uh I'm I'm going to anybody want a motion this week move forward uh yeah I'll make a motion we have a one second it I guess how about a few second that' be better for now I'll second it we have a second all in favor I'll opposed can you write up the motion passes motion I'll write it up and I'll I'll write it up until I will go in front of council and and bring this up there when I do my uh here's what we're looking to do now we have something to go in front of them for sounds good yeah it'll be one of the May meetings so either May 14th or May 28th we'll connect up and figure out which one works okay sounds great sound a good plan you guys we could we could push it to June too I guess it's not like it's I mean wa said we could push it to June if you nether one of those work that's fine but and obviously if we're successful at doing it then it's a matter of reviewing all the applicant that's a totally separate process that'll be separate yeah this one is is that our decision or is that city council if you buy the property we'll be okay yeah all right if you don't buy the property then no W be right right now it's city council cuz it's a tax you got Scott what is the U flavor of the Council on this type of situation in your opinion doing this this scenario oh I I think I you want me to tell you how the vote will be right now tell you I will no I just no I want to know what your flavor is on this because you are a councilman and we don't have Dave here so what's the flavor of this passing you guys oh I think it'll work I think I think it's fine I mean I would support it personally I don't know about the other four but I mean I I've got an idea okay so your flavor is favorable yeah yeah it make sense to you guys we should engage this and go for you already motioned it so too late okay we already voted on it we already voted but I just want to make sure we're all on the same page so I mean this is a big bite we learned a lot on L and we're not going to make those mistakes here yeah okay let's figure out a date on that Zach do we need anything else do do we have an adjourn St we have staff updates St um I'm gonna be honest what were we talking about earlier we got Zach spinning around you got me spinning so what were we chatting about earlier that I wanted to make sure we got put down in the staff updates that we were talking about during the minutes was related to oh boy I'm GNA forget you having a senior moment I thought we talked about the budget yeah the budget which I was gonna businesses no all businesses that wasn't one of them that wasn't it nope but we've talked about five or six different things that are not on the agenda that's what I mean that's why it's all on the agenda I'm no spinning over here I can't remember what we're talking about maybe on yours well let's talk about maybe remember yeah you guys do some updates and maybe I'll just so you have some updates for us I don't I don't have a what was I literally came I have an update who's update yep fire your way uh so on our last meeting we talked about reaching out to businesses businesses right and getting their feedback and and educating on Eda so whether this supplies you know is relevant or not but I did reach out to a business wonderful you know and I made tried to do my part right and reached out to a company and told asked them if they knew what Eda does and asked them what we could do to help him um and he you know gave me his feedback and what he thought about Eda and the city and um well spit it out there it's not good I can tell so he he's not a big fan again he's a business owner he's building a his new his new building right now in Dayton and oh I know which one it is already perfect and um you know he's not a huge fan of the city and how the process went and he said if he had to do it over again he wouldn't have done it in Dayton which is disappointing and I asked you know like what could have been better and he said you know communication the process procedures everything in his opinion and his Builder's opinion was just very difficult and he was disappointed I guess and I don't know what Eda can do to improve that process process for new businesses but look at what he is saying quote unquote you know he wouldn't do it again and I don't want that to happen to other businesses that are thinking about coming here so clearly he's uh telling any other business run as fast as you can kind of yes basically yeah so hearing this information on $1.7 million piece of property is not what you want to hear when you're about to purchase and develop this MH right so again I don't I don't have any answers to anything I just wanted to share my experience and the feedback from this person on their opinion of you know the city and Eda and you know I just want us all to think about it and what can we do to make I guess that we can be a benefit to business owners and they see they can come to us a business partner instead of an adversary yes and and that's what I want is I want businesses to reach out to us and say what do you got here's what I'm thinking about doing can you what how can you help me or what what's the process I would agree yep so as the Eda you are supposed to develop a community that is your goal as the economic development authori is to develop the community and have a relationship with the business that does not mean that council's going to be on the same page as the Eda so there is a delicate line that has to be played when you're dealing with the business and what you want as your community so if and I will use this as historical examples of things that have happened in the past if you say yes to everything you let a business do whatever they want to do because that's really good for that business does not mean that's the best thing for Dayton so there is a delicate line you have to play with what can you say yes to and what can you say no to and sometime as a city you have to make a decision that I don't want that business there or if I have that business there I need to make sure it's very very heavily screened so that we want the business in town but we need to make sure that the other people around it aren't affected negatively from that business being there and so there is a delicate line that the city has to play so city council may be on one hand and the Eda may be on the other so I think to your point um member Luther is that just trying to make sure that the Eda should be advantageous to businesses that is what your goal is as the Eda that does not mean and I think everyone uses the broad picture of the city as a big giant picture where the Eda is not the city there're something separate but they don't have also final control like the council so right it it's a large and a lot of things moving around and a lot of people involved to get a process to make it work that a business wants to be here I mean I believe everyone wants to be here we've also changed the processes and procedures and stuff that we do with businesses now that we didn't do two three years ago when he was building so I do want to make a point that we've changed our process and you know it's not you have to do everything under the sun to make it work but also we want to make sure that it's consistent with our comp plan and we want you know if we want you here we we'll get you in it's just getting to the steps and and as in Council if they want you here I mean it's it's good we want businesses here we want residents to be here we also don't want everything under the sun just to come through and get all yeses because if that happens we'll have you won't have a city that you visioned because you said yes everybody because it's advantageous for that business right so there's it's a fine line it is very difficult to play find that line Council and Eda typically staff is trying to just follow with what council and eda's direction is and a lot of those come through with Concept plans and discussions that happen with staff like hey I'm really liking this business or I really think something this should go here and we follow the comp plan as close as we possibly can of this is our guiding document of okay you're trying to put a business here that isn't guided that um this is Opus for example Opus was guided commercial Opus is directly across the street right next to the cell phone tower um on 81 in the Parkway and so they were guided commercial that is what that land use was Opus came in and said we' like to put a building there and we said you can't do that that's a commercially guided business mer guided spot they said we need to do a comp plan then so that came in front of council and we brought that in front of council and Council said yep I think we'd like to do that so then we went through that process of Staff gave that information of yep we need to do a comp plan Amendment comp plan Amendment gets changed then then we have to get approvals again from the counil and then that business actually goes in that business still isn't up today you know they're not even working on it at the moment that I'm of um they're still working through getting things transferred over and and so on and so forth from what I understand we did the same thing with skel skel is right next door that business was we gave them you know whatever they asked for essentially they came in and got a business and um got a you know they have preliminary plat final pla everything skel's across the street from semstone right next to Opus future building they haven't touched that property we gave them all the SES in the world we gave we gave them every yes you could possibly get we didn't give them any stipulations anything because it's just a another Warehouse they haven't built at all so it's a tough it's not an easy Market even if you give everyone a yes doesn't mean they're going to build I mean that for example they have you know all their preliminary final plat they're ready to go all they got to do is sub a building apartment that's it and spending a building permit isn't difficult so this is their term of shovel ready politically mhm correct it's already that's a battle in itself y you got it this is why like I said I would say now and Dayton everything is driven by Council and Eda I cannot speak for that in the past cuz I was not here to mention I can't tell I'm telling you that staff goes based off the count plan St staff goes off of what is given to us for a direction and we get a lot of that feedback during concept plan which is why we bring concept plans to the Eda because if the Eda says we want to have this here and that there and move this and we want your thoughts and opinions on the business and how it runs and operates and whatever else because that's what we'll use as staff to provide to the back of yep here you go and then when the concept plan comes back and everyone hates it we're going to probably tell the applicant probably shouldn't move forward I mean you can spend more money and keep moving forward but you're going to get a no yeah and I agree with all that and I know there is a fine line and and but again it's just more about I appreciate the feedback though the feedback is good I wish I could call them up and get feedback like that and I don't think I would your city they won't talk to you that's correct like I said in your previous meeting that they're more apt to talk to an individual than five on one sure Scott did you get anybody out in the world did you talk to anybody since the mass meeting no um I taught to the same people I always talk to I know every 3,000 miles so we always have these conversations and there's no blown up the skirt or not I mean they just they they appreciate that they're here and they do their job so I don't have anything to add other than your Intel yeah so how do we I mean because I this this issue about hard to do business with it's kind of like how do you get underneath that and I know there's the fine line and to me eda's role is to kind of like look at what the issues are relative to that particular business trying to come in and say you know are those they make sense you know these restrictions make sense for a bit you know cuz from a business perspective could you operate or not understanding that there's the community component which is you know you don't want to manure Factory next to you know whatever little common sense but yeah so how do we how do we make Common Sense common to me it's like how you bring the things to us and like really un maybe having a deeper understanding of what the issues are that we can discuss and recommend action to the council because that's really what we're doing right we're saying okay you know we think this you know these restrictions on this business are a bit Draconian you know we recommend to council that maybe they shouldn't be there or whatever you know y um and we're providing everything you have in the plan like I take everything the Planning Commission has and that's you just put it in the put it in the Eda so you guys have everything that we're g it's on us to kind of tease out you got to read through the package say here's the here's our stipulations here's what we're looking for for um stipulations it's um guidelines or something like that key points yeah your keynote speaker yeah okay did that answer you yeah I think so so before we bounce would you please make available the 4611 to everyone oh yeah I'll send the statute and uh send the founding document as Eda was uh built back in what year that was 1990 the statute and the bylaws when it was changed to what we know today of why we changed it that was done in 2017 okay so we need to examine those documents and find out some some things Eda wasn't they they must have the when did we form it 2015 2015 okay remember when mcne wanted everything to be so 1990 was when it was authorized in so 1990 is when the city had the public hearing to initiate having an Eda well there's government work for you 15 years later 20 years lat 255 years 25 years later got it well I think the Ed operated so at that time and I I'm still searching for the document that changed it from having so at that time the Eda was the council um and then I believe in 2015 it's when a separate board was approved and I have to find that resolution from the council which I have not found yet and I haven't spent any time on it that's is why I haven't found it um cuz the original one was again at Council and Eda which is what most community have um Maple Grove don't have that Maple Grove has the Eda as the council they separated us why we followed them uh durus did that okay I believe they may have gone back so Maple girl mhm I believe they don't have an Eda separate board anymore I think they have just the council the council they still have an Eda but the Eda is the council which is a confusing so do they have not they have talk do they have two separate meetings yeah yeah same champ has two separate meetings has two separate meetings I think the Ramsay was still part of their group they were talking splitting yeah they have not they not Okay who wants to bounce we ready to go it's okay remember what I was talking about earlier so I apologize about that and we get it next week I'll talk about it I'll put it back in the next Mee meeting okay we got a motion to adourn second second all in favor who is the motion sorry we're out okay e