is under 6C for the tax forfeit in the old >> six what? >> C. >> No, no, the uh RDO the appointment. >> Oh, that is that's in staff updates. I got you on the slide. Oh, >> there's Scott. I hear a big block. Actually, I feel the big block. >> You feel the counter? >> Lawnmower. Yeah. >> Same thing. Nothing better than a big block in the morning to get your blood pumping. This P is the east east side of town. >> Uh yeah, in the old town. That was the one that you asked to be put on. Yeah. >> And where's the house? Okay. Right there. Lobby. That's the uh we call the Yansy house. That's too old. >> Okay. Gentlemen, >> how's it going? >> That push in it. >> So, you a muffler or what? >> Driving around the big block making noise. >> Make a noise. >> There you go. >> Didn't need one. >> Hey, Scott. >> Prepare yourself. She going to be a hot one. We are uh 7:30 a.m. July 15, 2025. We are missing one set in session. Call them to order. Anybody got to add or check anything else that we want to get out? >> Just Mr. Chair, I'd like to add 6D, which is a site plan review for Tom Spanier. >> Okay. Any removals? >> No. So, we've called to order. Everybody get a look at the agenda. We all good with that? >> Yes. >> Be helpful to have a approval? >> Yeah. We're going to go a motion to approve. Yeah. >> I wasn't there yet. >> Don't rush me, man. >> Don't do this. Okay. Approval of the agenda. >> All motion. I'll make a motion to approve. >> I'll second it. All >> in favor? I >> I. >> All opposed. Now you can rush me. >> Okay. Consent agenda. Anything we want to change, add or do there? Treasury report. I would sure like to see that once in a while. >> It's in the packet. >> In the packet. Approval of consent agenda then. Uh >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. All >> All in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries. Open forum. >> Do we have anybody online that would like to visit us besides our ourselves on cell phone? >> There is nobody online. >> Dang it. >> One day somebody >> we should like all get our own phones and do ourselves like that. >> Call in. >> Call in. >> Just a minute. I'll bring in >> call in like when I was on NPR the other day. That'd be funny. >> Okay. There's nothing for open forum. Nothing going on. All right, old business. We are still dealing with these uh telos. I understand that Zach's got some traction on some of that. >> Uh I've not heard Do you Do you have >> I do not. >> Um our pitull give us direction to the staff how we could handle that and it was quite a direction. >> What are we talking? because we had bonds that we could go against to make them do their job in our city because of we do charge a what do you call that fee? Franchise. >> Franchise fee. >> Yeah. So that makes us semi-responsible as a city to to ensure that these telos are doing their job for our customers and our businesses. >> I've not had a chance to look at it yet. I'm not sure if we have bonds for for this. So yeah, I've got to look into it more. >> Okay. I think she gave us this about 6 months ago just to be just so you can put on your radar. It >> it's on the radar. We just haven't had a chance to look at it yet. >> I have been seeing some changes around some of the covers. So, they're starting to put stuff together. I don't know if they're I don't know if somebody's getting somebody's attention, but I am seeing some covers being put back on instead just thrown next to the to the copper. >> Okay. >> Uh flower and pot sponsorships. Any gig there? >> Uh we've got one available. So, One left. >> One left. So, if anyone from the EDA would like to sponsor, >> I'll take it, >> Scott. Okay. Well, didn't I already take one? >> Then we don't have to change the uh sign. >> Okay. >> We all got on it. Yeah. >> I I do believe I saw a district 34. >> Yes. >> On one of them. Did the Senator Hoffman grab that one or did the >> just the DFL did >> district? Yes. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Well, that's kind of new, isn't it? >> It is. Yes. sidewalk repairs. Did Jack get his uh trip hazard handled? >> Uh no, it's still there. >> Can you trip and for us? >> Yeah. File a claim. >> And the spur. We were going to reach out to these guys and have this conversation with Semstone. Has anybody reached out? Because I want to be part of that conversation. >> Okay. Um not since you've said that you want to be a part of the conversation. So we we've talked with Samstone. They're supportive of putting of having a spur there. The question is is >> put it in. >> We still got to have that conversation. That's part of the conversation. I'd like to be at that. >> Okay. >> And I don't know if this is on here this lend property concept. Uh did we reach out with the uh first referral yet? >> We have not. >> Okay. I want to be at that conversation too. I know. >> Okay. EDA26 budget. I don't know why we're making budgets. We don't get any confusion anyway. >> We have a budget every year. >> Yeah, we we get zeroed every year, too. >> Yes. >> Why have a budget? >> Just the last two. >> Last how many? >> Just the last two. >> Yeah. 24 and 25. >> Yeah. >> That's not every time. >> Well, at some point >> you got more. You've gotten more money than you haven't gotten. Not if we pull 11% out of them, you know. >> Okay. Uh, do we need to talk about that 26 budget? >> It's up to the EDA. >> So, the 25 budget we put together was just denied. >> Um, it was zero. So, >> Oh, I thought we had had the expenses in there that we >> Yeah, you did. >> Yeah. So, the the expenses that we have this year are just coming out of reserve funds from the EDA. Uh, same with 2024. >> There was a motion. It's not considered a budget, huh? >> That is a budget. >> It's just not funded. >> It's not funded. >> Oh, so there was the budget. It wasn't funded. So, we got to take it out of our reserve. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. It would seem to me that the EDA and I understand the the high level point but uh you know let's let's say next year you know we don't have a a history of budgets. So if we had a history of budgets even if they didn't pay it you know at some point >> this is our history going back to 2023. Yep. You know, so the total cost in 2023 and you know, and this is budget items was 16,000 and 2024 it was 28,000. 25 is ongoing and so it's just what was the approved budget which is zero and then for 2026 we're requesting 26,000. Uh the EDA last month did request to to bump that up to 100,000. Yes in here because we haven't gotten that far yet when they're on our budget process. >> So the request is 100,000 for 26. >> It will be. Yes. >> And the justification for turning down 24 and five was just >> city talk these guys staying out of this. >> Okay. >> I know what it was about keeping the tax rate as low as they can. They had a number to keep >> and you got now you got some history of what you're spending. >> Yeah. >> EDA does. >> Yeah. >> Is the 28 656 number is that year to date or is that an estimate of the >> uh year end? >> For 2026. >> Yeah. >> That that's what we're asked the department heads asked for uh for 2026. >> No, I mean the 2025 number the blue line 28. >> It's 2024. So that that's what was spent. >> That's what was spent. Okay. Oh, I see. There is no >> final year. There is no 2025. >> Um 2025 will be much higher because we purchased property, but otherwise operational cost should be similar. >> And we don't need much more than that anyway, right? Just to keep our attorneys happy and ours. um for that. Yeah, it should be similar to I'm going to say around 25,000 give or take. Um the main cost differentials are going to be when you purchase land or when you do studies >> and we had a big uh big study on this one with the uh old town. >> Yes, >> I remember that one. >> 8,000 bucks. >> Jason did. >> And I do like the last concept, man. That was really spoton. >> Mhm. >> So you guys like that? Yeah, >> they'll have their last one. >> Yeah. >> In case how can we keep going without >> I mean we have basic operating expenses as the EDA, right? I mean I'm not >> I just I I'm not quite understanding how we >> Sure. Going back to the discussion 2023 and you know Scott and Dean correct me. I think the council's perspective was that the EDA had so much money saved up and wasn't spending any and didn't have a plan on how to spend it. And so that's why the EDA had zero for for a budget that year >> and why there was no levy for the last several years either. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Because we can levy up to a certain percent but we're not doing it because we're not spending it. >> I guess >> maybe we get Hayden to write a big check fund for us. Come on, man. >> Okay. >> Be nice. >> Well, I think they know >> the expenses are there for me anyway, and this is, you know, part of the overall budget discussion around the levy, right? Is is how much are we taxing in for what? And the EDA has got expenses now, and this is, you know, the last couple of years we're spending actually more than than we've got if you look at the things that are proposed. Um, so the reserves aren't going to continue to fund this ongoing. And and I think that, you know, you described that accurately, John, that at the time that that EDA levy got zeroed out, it was because there was a couple of years of very little spending. And the the logic was why keep collecting money that's not getting used. So we passed that point in my mind. We we are taking action on some things. We purchased some property. there's more in the pipeline and there's expenses that go with it and so there should be well there is a budget you know there's sort of two separate things what do we spend and what are we taking in but I think it should be reflected in the levy um >> yeah I agree >> again but that's a discussion that you know Scott and three other people are going to have and we were presented with a budget that showed a 19% increase and that's not going to fly So things are going to come out somewhere and I don't know how that'll all land but I think our consensus is that we're not somewhere between a 6 and 8% increase in the levy is is what the appetite of the council is and how we turn that into a budget is going to take more time. I mean, wouldn't we, if we're requesting a $100,000 budget, wouldn't we at least at a minimum try to levy to cover the budget? >> So, we're not taking that out of reserve. >> I think that's what makes sense. That's what makes sense. >> Cover basic expenses. >> I mean, that can't be that's like got to be 0.00001 levy or something. It can't be. >> It's like 1%. It would be >> 100,000. >> Yeah. Well, 80 I think it's like 88,000 is 1%. >> Yeah. >> Oh, covering our budget and and growing enough to be able to be liquid enough to graph big projects. We two different things. >> We need to have enough in our reserve. So once we can get stuff started, then we don't care if we get a budget. I would say >> I mean if we So we were smart with our money. We saved it. Yep. Now we lost our budget >> because we saved it. >> Because we saved it. So now what happens when next year another opportunity arises and then council says, "Oh, well, you don't have any money in your budget to do it?" >> I don't then. Okay. >> Um >> there's ways around that. >> Okay. >> Yeah, there >> but we still haven't figured out how to pay for a triangle yet. And we're all sitting here >> a tractor. >> We haven't figured out how to pay for a triangle yet. We haven't had that discussion on council. >> Well, it's not figured out. You just have to have the conversation. >> I think both sides have to have the conversation. >> Well, I what I hear is they're moving forward now at county. >> Two steps forward, three back. >> Yeah. >> And that conversation better happen pretty fast if uh they still pull the pin. It seems like you got to establish a track record of like, you know, if we levy for at least as much as we're budgeting and the next year, maybe we can go up some more to start for future planning. You know, I mean, of course, you'd like to be able to put more in the war chest for what you're doing. >> We're going to do it. >> As as Dave said, I'm on board for 30 and we'll see how it goes because it's very tight. I mean, it's going to be >> 30. What's 30? 30,000. >> 30,000. >> 30,000. >> Right. The budget versus the 100. >> Yeah. >> Well, whatever you guys decide at council, let us know. >> Oh, you you'll know >> sometime. Okay, let's move. >> That won't happen until September. So, uh where were we budget budget? Uh, >> could you give yourself a little more room than the $4,000? >> $4,000. I'm going to buckle five. >> Well, it's 26. You got You say you're saying ask for 30 versus 100, which gives us a $4,000 buffer over what >> we think's going to be spent, >> right? Am I tracking? >> I'm not. I'm saying I'm on board for 30. Yeah, >> that's just me personally as one vote on the council. >> No, I understand. I'm just asking uh would the council be on board for a little bigger buffer, meaning say 40 as an example. So, we have $14,000 of >> some wiggle room. Yeah. >> Yeah. We can't keep breaking even. We again right now once we move these big pieces and we get everything re I don't care if we ever see a budget again, personally. >> Well, you'll have to have a budget every year. >> We We have the ability to selfund and I kind of like that idea that we're adding zero burden to the taxpayers, >> right? Right. >> We got to get there. >> Oh, got to get there. Got to do something. >> But it's still your budget. >> We got to do something. We're going to do it. Moving on. Point of order, Mr. Scotch Lock. I'm reading the point of order now. Okay. Uh, new business. Let's go to six. Concept plant group curbside waste. John, is that a you thing? >> Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, curbside Waste has applied for a concept plan to add uh different types of yard waste. Uh, different types of waste, I should say. In 2022, they received a conditional use permit for a transfer station specific to yard waste only. Uh, they are requesting to add construction demolition waste, municipal salt waste, and single stream recycling. Uh so curbside just started operation this past April. Um the question of what what is a transfer station? Uh generally it's a large building where uh the garbage trucks come in, they dump their load. um a front end loader picks it up and and puts it into a larger truck and then that truck goes to its uh either a larger processing station or to a larger facility whether it's a landfill or a recycling place or a yard waste place or processor. Um with uh the whole process of of adding waste it's not a simple process. Uh the first part is that they've made a a kind of a notified the MPCA that they intend to apply for this. Um they will need to complete an environmental assessment worksheet which takes 12 to 14 months uh to go through. Um that is reviewed by the MPCA in the Minnesota Environmental Quality Board. on the city's end. Um they will need to apply to amend the the city code to allow transfer stations of different ways other than yard ways and then obtain a a conditional use permit for transfer station for those other specific ways. Um in our code right now we're specifically only allowing yards. So this is where the amendment is required. Um the intent with conditional use permits of any type is it is a permitted use with conditions and so those conditions are intended to mitigate any nuisance factors that might come up by the the land use. So in this case uh the question is with the the additional waste is there any change in the visual appearance of the property? Um no there's not. They're not planning on building there's no bu building additions. Um everything's going to look as it is currently. Uh with the noise, is there any additional noise with the different types of waste? Uh potentially uh with the building right now, currently there are uh six doors. None of maybe it's five doors. Um no, none of them have actual door. They have door openings, but no doors themselves. Um with odor, additionally, the different types of waste are going to have different odors. Uh same thing with the litter. Uh with traffic traffic uh curbside is staying that no additional traffic would take place. Currently curbside is operating under capacity. Um if they run at capacity uh the building is so only so large to accommodate so many trucks. So it would not change the traffic. >> You said uh there'll be more noise potentially. H how do you come up with potentially? Um, I I think of construction uh debris as being heavier, for example. Uh, you know, you have, and I'm just making assumptions here, where you have like concrete that you're going to be moving, it's going to be noisier um moving concrete or demolition debris than it would be uh grass clippings. >> Does concrete smell? >> Um, I don't believe so. >> Okay. So, if we have concrete making noise, potentially. >> You see where I'm going with that? >> Yep. >> Okay. I I don't I I walked it out in in all wind conditions. I didn't get a whiff of anything. So, whatever they're doing, they're doing and they're doing their job. So, why I don't know if this is even a thing for us, is it? >> Uh, it's up that's up to the EDA. >> You nod your head? >> Well, they need a change in their cup. >> Yeah. >> Along with the other permits. >> Are you sure they're only doing yard waste, >> right? Um, they have >> I know. I took a load up there with my daughter for she had some kind of you know I don't know furniture or that kind of stuff that they were >> so in this image before they they have a public drop off and this is part of their conditional use permit >> um where you you can drop off whether it's a used concrete or used tires or whatever the case is. Um the these are small loads that are not they're not commercial loads that are coming in. is, you know, cleaning out your garage and and getting rid of stuff. >> So, they've been running for how long? >> April. >> Any uh complaints? >> Not that I'm aware of. >> Nothing. >> There's several residents that have concerns. >> Well, they can have all the concerns they want. If they haven't had a complaint, they weren't concerned enough to make a complaint. So, if we were to say, "Okay, long as they're doing their job and they're following through." All right. >> Well, I don't know why we would impede that. >> Yeah. And I do have a little bit of information I can add to this, too, just for the group. >> Um um you know, curbside here, they they they're the owner is also based here in Dayton. He lives in Dayton. Um and it's a great business. Um, and you know, as John had said, they had estimated they were going to be doing 40 loads a day. Right now, they're doing anywhere from five to seven loads a day. So, >> 20% capacity. >> Yeah, they're very far off of what their capacity is. um they would like to add CND recycling, general waste, one as a service to the their customers, but two to get this building up to capacity to where it should be. So, um and I I have I I know that they talked about they would add the overhead garage doors. They have different processes they can use as far as mitigating odor. I don't know what that is, but apparently there is a process. >> Whole bunch tree fresheners. >> Yeah. Um >> and they still have to go through the the MPA the PC I mean and >> yeah, nobody does nothing in the state without MPCA involved and they're not an SQ, they're LGQ. >> Um I think more they were just bringing it to us just to get some sort of preliminary like we're on board with this or not before they move forward. >> Yes. So, the intent with the concept plan is that there's some I'm going to say a general signal from the council if they're supportive of the project or not before the the applicant spends a bunch of money on this with the EAW that I mean that's going to cost over $100,000 to complete. >> So, Sean, they're normal trucks that they're picking up garbage, the residential garbage are not dumping here then. >> Correct. But if with this change they'd be able to is would that be one of their ideas is to >> I don't I still don't think it would be normal yard waste >> yard normal garbage. It would have been normal garbage. Everything that here >> go is sorted and goes to the landfill or recycled. So >> the the curb sides intent is that it be organics recycling. So if if you >> you know this is probably newer for Henipin County. So if you have organics of you know you're you're cleaning out your fridge that goes in a separate waste can um that then comes here. >> Will they be taking cars and converters and all that kind of stuff? >> No. Got another location Dayton that does that >> converters or big money. >> So So then what they're really asking for is not to bring actual like residential waste here. They're >> right but but that falls under the municipal solid waste category. right that they could do it if >> they got the permit. >> I didn't print the whole packet, but I thought in the narrative they did describe doing residential waste >> consolidating in in their verbal description they they been more specific to organics, but that that's the smelly part is kitchen waste. >> Sure. But I think that their intent was to to be dumping their regular trucks on the floor in there and then putting them in larger >> vehicles to take to the landfill. >> And just the way that this all functions is, you know, the garbage trucks come in, they dump this on the floor, say, you know, this morning or afternoon and then gets loaded up in the bigger truck tomorrow morning. >> So the intent is nothing is on the floor in the the building for more than 24 hours. >> Yeah, I remember all that. So what are we asking here? They they need the to move forward like do we support it? >> They haven't had any issues in the past. Nothing registered. Nobody has to call in. >> Well then let's not get in their way. >> Right. It seems to me this would be a benefit to the city of Dayton. >> Uh an ability to to >> take local. >> Take local. Exactly. Instead of having to drive to wherever >> another city, >> you know. >> Yeah. I guess my concern then in this is is not them growing their business. I think that, you know, they should do that. They built this capacity. They should be able to use it. >> I I did see where they um >> Well, I don't think the CO allows overnight storage now and they would be changing to that or maybe they're already doing that, but >> yes. >> Um but they don't have fire suppression in the building. They said it said that that it was built to be ready for it. And I think for me, if they're going to move ahead with overnight storage or if they're doing that, then they should have the fire suppression in the building. >> Yes. I mean, that's required by code. The reason why it's not there is the doors are open or there's no doors on the door openings. Once it becomes an enclosed building with doors, then they need >> Will it ever become enclosed? >> Fire sprinklers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They're they're proposing adding doors or that's fire code. I That's just the way it's going to be, isn't it? Yeah, it would be okay requirement. >> Yes. >> Wherever NFPA13 says that's what they have to do. >> So our question today is >> get out of their way and let them do their thing as long as they don't have problems. >> That's one way to put it. >> Okay, guys. >> I would agree. >> Is this a vote thing? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I'll make a motion that we approve this. >> Provided that if they close the doors, they're going to go fire out >> or the Well, provided they they're going to have to follow all the code requirements. colder fire requirements. Of course, you aware of that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. We got a motion to approve. Do I have a second? >> I would second the motion. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Motion carries. >> Thank you. And just for clarity, that's with all the the construction, demolition, municipal salt waste, and signal stream recycling. >> Mhm. >> Yes. >> I'm asking plan commission was okay with some but not all. >> Okay. coming up. >> Which one they in favor of? >> Uh they were support of construction and demolition. They had concerns on the municipal solid waste and um the we didn't really talk about the recycling. >> I mean the municipal solid waste I think from their business makes sense but it it definitely could raise the issue of a odor but >> okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh we got to move to 750. uh conveyance removal of house of 15520 lndale lane north. This kind of wraps up in more than one conversation um because it's going to be B and C B and C type of thing. So what I'm seeing is first of all do we want the house that's going to be taken off by three rivers if I'm correct? >> Yes. >> And what do we do with it? And that lies us into discussion C. And I believe that's on P 3121 2231 and 0056. That's the east side of town. >> Yes. >> So if we were to, which I understand a negotiation already has been made, figure out if we want this house and then move it to this property, that would be a solid win for the EDA and our funding. Did I get that right? >> Yep. >> Have you guys followed up on any of this? Did you watch your packets and see where this P is? There's a spot where we've talked about it in the past. It's not big enough for the house on the garage. It' have to be a split thing. Sean, you looked into it a little bit. >> Yes. >> Do you have a feeling that we would like to move that direction? >> Um, I mean, I think if it's >> explore that direction, that makes sense to us. >> Yeah, I think we should definitely explore that direction. See if it is a benefit to the city that we do this. Of course. I mean, we need to look at all the options and >> we get a double win here. >> Yeah. >> We get to do the house depending on what the price is going to be, >> right? >> And we get to wrap up that property which we would need it re uh reconveyed from main council's perview to ours. >> So, >> let me ask you a question. What's Three Rivers option if we I mean, hell, they should give it to us. >> Yeah. Otherwise, they're going to spend money tearing it down. >> Really big helicopters to come in. So let let me start at the beginning here. So the Three Rivers Park District purchased this property. There's several buildings there. Um one of them is this house which I believe was built in 2022. Uh the appraised value is for the house itself is $400,000. Uh Three Rivers has offered to sell it to the city for $100,000 um under the condition that we move it by October 1st. So the question the our cost to move it um to the site on the old village is somewhere between $500 and $550,000. >> Holy >> So first question is should the city purchase the house and the second question is uh and this doesn't have to be answered today is what do we do with it? One option is move it to the site on uh the old town and another option is just to sell it to somebody else. Well, based on on what I see here, you're talking 650,000 for that house. And what what's it worth? The 400,000 appraisal was going to cost you the more to move it than the house is worth. >> That's one of the numbers we're going to have to discuss. I'm with you on that. I did the math. >> Yeah. I mean it to me it I I sort of agree. Why doesn't the park district just give it to us? >> The house has value. We just wanted to go and put up >> and then let somebody else move. That was a 30 lb clip. >> Um I mean the other option would be now correct me if I'm wrong. It's going to go out for out to auction. It'll go for right. So yeah, >> it could sell for $10,000. We don't know. But >> they're offering it to us first. >> We get the first rider fuse at 100, >> right? >> That don't sound like very first right >> first ride of checkbook. >> The main caveat here is is to get it moved by October 1st. That's going to be a huge challenge to get to get a basement and everything put in on that lot. >> Yes. >> Not that it can't be done. >> Oh, but you got August, September, you correct. So, my thought is whatever it cost to move it, you're going to end up moving it twice. >> Yeah. >> We may have to squeeze you to put it on your uh lot over there for for for a winter. >> You can live in it till we get it back. >> Yeah, you can live it. There's no heat or nothing. No more running water. >> Yeah. Right. Pump outside, put your water in there. >> So, I think I think that I think we can have the conversation. >> Does it really 500,000 to move it? >> I don't know. I don't I don't have the numbers. That's >> I'm not sure who came up with that number. >> This is prepping the house to be sold. So like mo the moving cost, uh putting in a new basement, putting in a garage. >> Oh, okay. >> Um you know, electricity walk, all that. >> I think we got to do this really in steps. We have to have a main direction. Do we want to explore putting it on this piece of property is our first question. >> I say yes. >> Say yes. We should explore. >> And is this motionable? Are we doing this for motion? Yeah, I mean we're out of order in the agenda, but you do what you want. >> All right. Then we decide if we can either financially make sense of this and and then we decide if we're going to execute. So step one is I'm hearing >> move forward, which is a motion. Can I get a motion on moving forward? >> I make the motion to move forward. >> Second. >> I'll second. >> All opposed. >> I'm sorry. All in favor? >> All in favor? I >> All opposed. So, >> so we we're going to talk about this. I mean, it's it makes sense, but we got to buy this thing at a better number. We got to have transport at a different number. We have to have some concrete number. Is that what you're saying, Dave? >> Well, that and and who's going to I mean, the 500,000, does it include a project manager, somebody who's going to um oversee the building of the basement, the moving, the complet Who generals it? That's correct. But we got to step on this. >> We got to decide if we want to play the game. >> I don't know where all those numbers came from. I I think that's just staff that came up with those numbers. >> Scott, your motion, does that is that including the price tag for 100,000 or do you want to >> Oh, no. No. No. Absolutely not. >> Okay. >> Not when we're under the gun. We talked about this what, almost a year ago, didn't we? >> Right. We talked about it and >> long time ago. >> Um I I personally there's here's my thought on the deal. I would like it worked out the the first time we tried this. It worked out excellent. I'd like to have a couple of people go and negotiate this thing with the park. Um rather than I I was here and the park did offer this to us last what a week ago. It was a week ago, right? >> Yeah. >> For 100 grand. >> They offered the council us. >> They offered the council this. >> Why? Okay. This is an H problem. Why weren't we seeing this? >> Well, we are now. >> You want to know? >> That's what that that's the that's the move that was made. >> Scott, what what was the council's reaction? The council wanted EDA to look at it and then we all we were posed with that last Tuesday was do you want to buy this house for 100 grand >> kind of yeah well the EDA doesn't have >> by the way we got to know by uh October or by >> clockision by the next council meeting on >> Yeah we got to know tonight >> well the timing on it is is problematic and also the the terms I don't know who wrote those somebody that sells time shares I Because >> yes, >> it says if we don't have this thing moved by October 1st, we lose our 100 grand. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That, >> you know, which is pretty unrealistic, I think. And >> I don't know if that fast. >> That's a deal killer. But I I don't think that, you know, so that there was I don't think any intent to accept the parts offer >> right >> at that number. It was to >> bring it here. It seems like it was more appropriate for an EDA um kind of action than than for the council to get involved in moving a house and digging a basement and all that stuff that has to go with this. >> We can make money off of it. It makes sense. But >> but what I understand is it's been already it's already been negotiated. >> And I'll say too, I don't know, the 400,000 was a bit unclear where that appraisal came from >> or or the 100,000. My impression was that, you know, maybe they got an appraisal on it, but the 400,000 got picked out of the air. >> Yeah. Right. I mean, the 400,000 appraisal, well, appraise that house sitting on a trailer. >> I can tell you right now, it's going to cost them 40,000 to take it down at least to burn it >> or demo it. Either one. I mean, burn it probably. At least I asked the fire chief if he would burn the house on my property and he says it's too close to River Road. They'd have to close River Road so they wouldn't do it. Now they burnt one down in Lawndale, but my guess is this one's too close to River Road >> and it's probably too >> Well, let's let's turn waste into profit here. >> But well, I guess what I'm saying is if you look at the alternatives for Three Rivers, they can put it up for auction. Well, they're not going to get it out of there by October 1st if they put it up for auction. >> Mr. They have financing on that number. >> The other thing is they can tear it down, but it's going to cost them. I mean, you can get estimates, but I can It's going to be 30 40 grand to tear it down. Then it's more hauling it away in the dumpsters and you got to make I mean, I don't think this one probably has a asbestous in it cuz it was just redone. Um, but >> expenses involved in them getting >> seem like you could go back and negotiate. Like, look, it's going to cost you 40 to tear it down. We'll take it off your hands for nothing. >> The intent is that the council is going to make a decision on Tuesday. If the EDA wants to recommend a lower price than 100,000 like this is the discussion to have that name your price. I don't I in my opinion >> I don't want to recommend no price to nobody. I want to go to the correct way to do it is go and negotiate the number >> between now and next Tuesday. Get it done >> if if there's interest, >> right? I mean, why do the the uh Three River Park District a favor? You know, that that seems like that's all we're doing is >> Oh, if you give them 100 grand. Yeah. Yeah. Give them 100 grand. We're not going to make any money on it. >> You know, can you sell that house for 750? >> Main function is not to make money, but to improve and do areas. So, if we make this as P uh 0056, we'll be improving that area. So, you got to look at it from a different point of >> improving the area, the residential area where that's going. >> Yes. We got to look at it that way. That's the way we got to approach it. >> Well, it takes a a piece of property that is not producing any tax revenue or virtually none at this point. >> Yeah. >> So, it's back on the roll. We start getting tax on it. >> There would be, you know, a cash coming back to the city over over time. >> That is our primary. >> It's not there today. I mean, we've lost the >> it's under H by >> allowing the Three Rivers to buy that property. We lost tax revenue. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This would just be recovering some of that. >> Oh, yeah. I see it. >> One in one. >> Wait. And where where is the uh location in in the city of Dayton? >> Historic building. >> East side. >> East side. >> Okay. >> So, we already have our motion. We've already approved the fact that we want to move forward with it. Let me see what council will do. We should get that P number released from council purview and into EDA purview. That's I understand it's a penstroke or whatever >> our pitbull's going to do with it. >> Yeah. I mean I know the EDA has already given that direction. >> Okay. >> Um it needs I think council has to >> you agree with that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So you someone's going to go negotiate with them then in the next week. >> Um within the next couple of days. >> Couple of days. You can it's got to be done by Tuesday. >> We're going to need that spot real quick. Can you move your >> $1? So, what what Three Rivers has asked us is if we're not going to offer $100,000 is come up with a whatever price that we're willing to spend. >> You got it. >> $1. >> I'll go to >> So, do we need that today? >> $10. >> No, we don't need that today. >> Staff doesn't need that by Tuesday. >> It has to be done by Tuesday. That's just leave it at that. >> Okay. Scott, have has the council uh negotiated with Three Rivers Parks in the past? >> No, I don't believe so. I don't think we've done it. It's more than if you call it that. >> Not in a good way. Not a good way. >> We haven't won anything. >> We needed some property to do the roundabout at. >> Fine view. we negotiated and this was before my time so I can't speak too factually about it but uh they were weren't exactly a willing partner in that negotiation. >> Yeah and that has to do with the the lock on >> right >> funding mechanism. Yeah they three robus doesn't have a lot of choice with that. >> So where we going with this? I missed it. >> I'm just curious as to you know are are they hard and fast? Are they >> hard to fast money, man? >> Yep. You know, so no, I I agree that uh go back to the council, negotiate it, >> let the let the council release it and and then let's see what we can do with it >> because I think the council I think would have the same uh goals in mind as as EDA. >> I I believe that's where we're at. >> Yep. >> Okay. The council's got different goals than staff does. Yeah. >> Okay. Well, we got to be diverse here. We got We got direction. We know which way to go. Do you have enough direction now? >> Yes. Um, did we have any direction on this property? I think >> Well, in order to make it all work, >> we want >> In order to make it work, to get the house on there, we do have to acquire the property. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Do we have any idea what the property is going to cost? I have to go. >> So, this is another triangle thing, right? >> 60 to 70, I would guess. >> Set a meeting up with Henburg County. Let's have that Let's have that buyer group, >> right? >> Let's talk to our people and say how how can we get this and how much. >> Why I thought this was a different situation than the triangle. >> So, the same process. >> Yeah. We have to buy it back from the county. >> Correct. Y >> Okay. For But it doesn't have the same land use restrictions on it that similar. So the land use restriction in this case is I think it's for either a well or water storage or water tower something related to water. >> Okay. >> Or I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> Uh that's just new news to me. I hadn't heard the right >> for next meeting. Let's get over the site of that. Plan it out so we can figure out what where and how >> water tower >> for how the house fits. >> Yeah. Where the P 056 is. So I want to look it straight down on it. >> Okay. and see what house fits going to fit and all that stuff so we can see what's going on there. >> You already have it in here. >> Trying to think if that was in the packet or not. >> I didn't see it in the packet. >> You go in Henipin County. >> So I assume this is city water and sewer. >> Yep. >> It is >> location. >> Yeah, it's uh the lot is 80 by 150 ft. Um it does have a hill on the backyard, so not all of it is usable. Mhm. >> That's why I wanted to see from the top where this house would sit so we can all make a, you know, reasonable decision of what we can do, if we can do. >> Sure. >> And >> and get that to us in the next day or two. >> Do we need to have a special meeting on this or can we just roll this in the next one? >> Roll it in the next one. I mean, the process takes several months. I mean, it has for the triangle piece. >> Well, let's let's have that conversation with parks and and county again. if we can set that meeting up with county, >> right? >> Talk about this piece to acquire >> Yeah, I looked up the uh at the address where the house is. That's a river line. >> Yeah, it's across >> on the other side other side of the street. >> That's why Three Rivers wants it. They bought a few lots up the road, too. >> So, what's their hurry? Oh, what they explained is that they have some grant funding for restoring the property that the house is on now that has to be used by November. And I don't know exactly what that means. Speed cost money >> and they waited until now to bring it up. >> All right. If you're going to push us into it, we're going to we're going to be protected. >> Yep. >> Okay. Uh what do you got here for D? We added that to the agenda this morning. Go ahead, John. >> Yep. Uh Hayden has this Aiden. >> Yeah. So um Mr. President, members of the EDA, um this was uh brought forward to the planning commission last week regarding a office expansion on a site on 113th Avenue in the industrial park. Uh the applicant Tom Spanier is proposing to install um to construct 780T office expansion on the south portion of their existing building. Um it was a little bit uh interesting of an application because site plan reviews typically are accompanied by a companion conditional use permit or something like that. However, this is just an expansion of a an existing facility um where that was the only topic of conversation necessarily to the site plan review. So the existing outdoor storage from staff's perspective or understanding is that it's been operating in a non-conforming capacity. uh where the outdoor storage was established prior to the allowance of outdoor storage by way of conditional use permit in the industrial districts. Um so that uh was not necessarily the topic of conversation though it was brought up during the planning commission meeting overall. Um >> what was their reaction to that? >> Well, it was just more so explaining because it is operating in a legal non-conforming capacity. There's no conditions a part of the site plan review for the office expansion that you can tie to the outdoor storage as it wasn't considered a part of the site plan application overall. Um so I did talk to the property owner and he is um short shorter term within the year uh he plans to kind of uh scale back his capacity on the site and offer it up to other users that are an existing uh landscape company that's already operating there. Uh where the outdoor storage is stuff or the items out stored outdoors um is going to be reduced overall um just in connection with these uh this building addition. So, on top of the office expansion, they're also going to delineate parking on the front side of the um building with asphalt uh which has not been delineated for from my understanding historically not a part of any site plans that have been approved for this site or anything. So, they are going to identify parking on the site. Um and all of the outdoor storage items are to this point going to be um moved behind the build the front of the building that anymore. >> Uh I cannot but I can pull up a uh a GIS or just an aerial that will zoom. >> Hayden, what's their business model? What do they do? >> So Tom Spaner owns Northwest Landscapes uh and they currently is uh owning and operating both of those sites here. He got conditional non-compliance by a zoning change or how did he get there? >> Grandfather probably. Uh he had been there this uh I believe he was the one who developed the site back when it was originally developed >> on a CUP or an IUP. >> I don't believe there was any conditional use perimeter in permit approval. Yeah, essentially. >> And if he makes this change, what does he fall under? IUP at that or CUP? >> Uh legally non-conforming status. So >> it stays as it is. the way that the site is currently operating is the non-conforming capacity that it is um basically is that it there's an understanding that the city's aware that there are things that are being operated that are outside of the zoning ordinance allowances um but because the site is as old as it is um >> grandfathered in. >> Yes, essentially. >> So he could put in a nuclear reactor and we couldn't do scrap. >> Nope. No, it's it's asis basically. So the non-conformity can continue to operate as long as it doesn't expand in capacity. Um, so as long as it is >> Who's watching it? >> Well, it's it's a challenge, but there's aerial images that we can track um for that. >> And he's asking for to just to build on the front of it. >> Yeah, he just wants to build a um it's a shop warehouse facility that uh doesn't have any office space on it. So, that's what their request is. >> So, what tips it into this arena at all? I mean, is why isn't that just a building permit application? Actually, it is in the zoning ordinance that says any expansion or new construction on a non-residentidential property requires a site plan review by the planning commission and city council. Now, I will say uh council member Fishant that that is something that uh I've kind of questioned just going through this process because I've not seen that typically in zoning ordinances. Um and that might be a question that may be posed when you see this next Tuesday. uh whether these are the types of things that you want to see for review by the city council. And if not, I've seen things where if it's um it it set it sets a threshold of maybe there's a certain square footage that if you're going to expand your existing building by 50%, maybe that's when it triggers a site plan review or something like that. But the way that the ordinance is written, this is something that did require >> that seems kind of draconian. >> So where do we fit in? >> Uh basically this is more of a for your information. you've got an existing business in town that's looking to make improvements on their site and uh um I don't know if this would necessarily require a recommendation from the EDA, but uh just wanted to bring it to your attention. >> Well, I mean the one thing is if the ordinance is written that way, it seems kind of >> stupid. >> Yeah. Draconian, however you want to say, it seems like the EDA should at least be saying, do we really want that ordinance to be that way? And should the city re-examine that? because I think we do want existing businesses to potentially expand or you know if if they're here in the city versus leave, >> right? >> Uh now I can understand like you said if it's some massive redo then then it's a site plan review. But if you're adding on to a building or something like that it's is that a steel or a pole? >> What is that construction? >> Oh that is a uh masonry. So, it's going to be brick brick front. Actually, it's brick all the way around. And actually, the uh property owner is looking to add a brick skirt on the existing building. What's >> that now? Steel or pole? >> It's a It's a pole building. >> It's a pole building. >> Yep. >> Okay. And they're going to continue the same mode of operation because if they start switching from steel to building to cement to whatever will be a problem for the existing building. No, >> actually, they're making improvements to the existing building as well by adding brick. Um, >> are they going to add holes or steel structure? >> Correct. So, what are they going to build the new stuff out of? >> Same like kind quality. >> No, it wouldn't be a pull. It wouldn't be a pole structure. No, they're going to >> tip up. >> No, I It's a small. This is a So, it's the wood story edition that's shown on this drawing. >> Well, then it's going to be woodframed. >> That's what my guess was. Yeah. I Sorry, I didn't understand. Yes. The current building out there is pole, but they're adding some architectural >> through that. All they had to be poles cuz I know we had an ordinance about no more pole buildings. That's why I had to build steel. >> Sure. >> So, I have some traction in this area. And the new piece had to be steel, which was legoed together. Sure. >> So, I get where, you know, but if I would have put cement or tip up on the backside, it would have changed the whole front of my building. >> Sure. >> So, that's why I mean, you're the contractor guy. >> Yeah. >> It makes sense what they're doing here. I mean, it is as you would say, like kind and quality construction. It's essentially woodframe construction. >> I don't know if we even got a dog in this fight. I would nod my head and say follow your thing. >> And just for reference, this was the section that I pulled from the code that kind of requires that >> the insurance >> to me that's where our role is is like is that a requirement that should be on businesses in this city? >> It is now. I mean, >> I know it is now. I'm asking as an EDA, one of our purposes is to try to f further or foster economic development. And >> if you come across something that's hindering economic development, should we not recommend to city council to review and potentially change that ordinance? I I would make a motion that we should >> to which part >> to review. No, to review and potentially revise this particular or this emotion auction >> for this project. I mean, we're we're talking about two different things now. If the EDA wants to not have this in, then we can have that as a separate discussion. >> Yeah, that's two pieces. >> Okay. So, first, >> I mean, I don't have a problem with the project. I'm not saying that. I just >> to bubble up. >> I don't have a problem with what's going on here. No, I I think it I think we just got done talking about, you know, expanding our tax base. This guy wants to >> It will expand his tax. >> We'll expand. >> He's going to get hit with it. >> Yep. He's going to get hit with more. >> Yes. On one. >> Now, what Jack says is the ordinance needs to be examined. Needs to be gone through. >> The EDA can certainly provide that recommendation for the city council to direct >> staff. What you say? >> That's what I'm saying. I make >> I don't think we needed to talk about this whole thing for 10 minutes. >> Chicken dinner. >> So, you want this? >> I make a motion that the city council should review this ordinance and and potentially >> pass it down to us. We'll look at it. >> So, council member Salonic will be looking for this to be on the consent agenda next week. >> Let's talk about this other or >> Okay, so moving on. We don't have a problem. Did we >> I think we need to take the rest of the steps. So, I'll second Jack's motion. >> I'm sorry. >> We have a motion on the floor. Do we have a second? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> All in favor? >> I. All opposed. >> Motion carries that this guy go build this thing. >> Thank you. >> For us. >> Motion was to >> That motion was for city council. >> Oh, the ordinance. I'm sorry. >> That requires this review. >> That requires this review for that. >> Yeah. >> He would even have to do this if it wasn't for the way it's written is what we're saying. Correct. >> We should look at that as a city and potentially change it. >> I mean, I don't have all the facts, but >> this is just one of those situations and I look back historically and I don't know if there I've seen a site plan review that wasn't accompanied by a separate conditional use permit or something. So, this was kind of a unique situation. So, >> yeah. Mass confusion. Is that enough direction? >> It it is. So, going back to the original project, I think there's just a verbal direction, not a motion or a second. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. Okay. >> I that the last drawing, you know, you don't have to bring it back up, but is there water and sewer city water and sewer in that area? >> No. >> No. >> Yes. >> Wow. >> And they don't want it. >> Okay. I got sidetracked here. Where was I? >> I think that's been asked by >> uh staff updates. >> Okay. Uh I've got several updates if you just bear with me. Uh first one is for LC Stevens Park. Uh there is a public survey. Uh you can go to the QR code and and that'll take you to a website with a a small number of questions. Um so I'd appreciate if all residents could do this, but specifically the EDA. Uh, Playplace Place in the Park at Riversb Park is the next uh will be uh play at the park will be July 29th. Uh, so Rivers Ben is in the northwest northeast area of Dayton. >> When do we get a When did we get a date in place in the park? Who who sponsored that event? >> Uh, the city does. >> I thought it was a Riverfest thing. >> Uh, no, that's a different project. >> That's a different deal. >> Okay, >> that that'll come up in another slide. Adopt a park. Uh similar to adopt a highway, the city is sponsoring an adopt a park program. Uh for you, you know, whether it's your company or your family can adopt a park, the expectation is that it it's uh you have litter that's picked up on a regular basis. >> Has there been any interest in this from the community? >> Not that I'm aware of. So that's why we have all of our parks listed here as being available for adoption. >> Interesting. And I had a call from a young guy that was uh working on a Eagle Scout project and was interested in doing some community service and I recommended that they look into this. >> Yeah, th this would have it would need to be more than that for an Eagle Scout project. So, this is more of um picking up litter and in Eagle Scouts it's more of like you're you're doing more than just a a normal activity. So, this is how they save money or >> add a pickle ball court somewhere. >> Uh, something like that. So, >> there's people asking me and I said, "Dude, you got to call parks." >> Not that I'm a pickle ball fan. >> Hold it up. It's a Oh, >> put your hand out there. So, cards and cribage. Uh this is uh the the second and fourth Thursday of the month at the activity center from 9:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. >> Giving garden. So, if you uh have a vegetable garden and have an excess amount of produce that you're you're producing, uh you can donate that at city hall and it's just up for grabs for anyone that wants to come and take some. >> You want some zucchini bread? There's some out there right now. >> Okay. >> Interesting. >> Concert series. So, the next concert is going to be July Wednesday, July 20, >> next week. >> 23rd. Next week. >> Big one. >> Uh, it's the Shane Martin band. >> Good band. >> So, we're almost halfway through our summer concert series. >> I don't the Dayton Car Show, which is uh what was that? Eight weeks. Eight. Eight weekends a month. >> We have the >> 25th. There's not eight weekends in a month. Eight weekends this summer. >> We got one, two, three, four, five, six. Six. >> Six of them. >> The dates are in the lower right corner. You're asking. >> Yes. So, the next next show is July 25th. >> Then we have August H, which is the big dog. >> There's a lot of stuff going on. >> Now, you moved this up to Steven's part. >> We did. >> Okay. And since then we've had actually 199 people at at the event. >> So 19 >> entrance >> 199 >> 199 >> it's a thing. >> It's a thing >> but it's uh it's it's wall to walls. We do the last one was had rain outish but we didn't have rain out when guys see their cars getting water they freak out. I don't know it's a thing. And we were we were packed, but we had because we had that many food trucks there, the non-hot rod side filled up like quite a bit >> where the first one was all about hot rods or cars. >> So, it was kind of a weird change. >> Mhm. >> What did you see? >> I thought it was pretty busy on both sides. I mean, a lot of spectators. >> A lot of spectators. >> Mainly because there's ample parking for them now to pull in and park. And yeah, a lot of spectator parking. We've expanded our audio system. Now we don't have to worry about uh our short range distance. Now we're on FM channels and we have a 8 mile oneway, so 16 mile radius of transmission. So if you're at home and want to listen to the show, you can do so through the FM WTIM. Other than that, it went pretty good. >> Scott was a vendor there as well. Did you did you make any sales? We don't want to talk about that. It wasn't worth the effort. >> Stay in your corner and be some crabby over there. Jesus, man. Come on. Community involvement. It was a great community building. >> Was excellent for community. >> It was relaxing. Let's just say that. The music was great. >> Oh, you were there. You represented. >> Yeah. >> And I expect Zach to be at the next one cuz he was at the last one. He was doing his thing and his wife was. So >> that's not Zach Steel. That's his wife Steel. >> Is that >> That's his wife Steel. >> That's his wife. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Zack and Company. Great bread products by the way, cones or scones or whatever they call >> cookies, whatever. >> Is that what you want to add? >> And then Riverfest will be on the ETH with this one. >> Yes, that's excellent segue. So, uh, Friday, August 8th from 7:00 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. Riverfest with with the date car show. Um, and, uh, Expedition has the band. >> So, the car shows during the day and this is at night, Kevin. Is that what >> Well, the car shows will be there. They'll they'll line up. They'll do their thing. They'll probably stay for the show. It It's Expedition is a great band. >> Very good. >> That was that >> very good. Very good. >> Very good band. So, if you like 80s, '90s, Journeys Sticks. I mean, they they got it. They nail it. >> And it's going to be a big show for us because we're going to, you know, Lux Level. Bouncy House is the whole deal. >> Sure. >> And I >> And beer, if I understand correctly, there is no price for the concert. >> No cost. No cost for the concert. >> Car show. If you bring a car, it's five bucks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, a pre-con, >> you bring a show car. >> Yeah. >> We would like >> That seems cheap. >> Get our some more uh tables for us would be kind of a win for that. I'll talk to Marty. We need a lot more tables. >> Tables. >> Bacon tables. Probably some more garbage cans. But I'll I'll throw a message in on that. >> Certainly for the ETH. It's going to be a bigger deal. Yeah. >> Oh, it's going to be much bigger. And they're doing the manshell this way, aren't they? From the river up. Are they moving this year? It can be on the cement pad coming up. >> Yep. That's the plan. >> That'll be good then. Almost like a mini Mississippi cross. >> Yeah. Without a cover >> in the flood plan. >> Did that answer your question on Riverfest on the >> I didn't have a question. >> You didn't have a question. You just That was an FYI. >> Uh then the last announcement. Um so we have a EDA vacancy. Uh so as the EDAs weren't Juan Peraltto had resigned back in May. Um and then in looking through this we I realized that Jack's term had expired. So we have two appointments for the council to make on July 22nd. We have four applicants. So we have Jack Bernins, Matt Herman, Luke Sens, and then John Weber. >> Oh, okay. I didn't know that there were other applicants, Mark. >> Well, that's good. Just say the guiding area. I didn't know there were other applicants, so that's good to hear. Good to see. >> Yeah, we should be able to fill both seats. Yeah. >> Well, I've uh I've reached out to John Weber personally, and I think that's a win for us. >> So, I want to pass it along to council. >> No reason not to. RDO, head of things. It replaces our industrial commercial equipment guy that we lost with one >> and they had some good intel on this group. So I want to make sure >> if you guys need to vote I can step out too. I mean, my deal was John approached me and said, "Hey, your term's up." And I was like, "Oh, really?" And so then he's like, "You need to send in an application." Which I thought was a little weird. But so I did anyway just saying that, you know, I'd be willing to serve another term, but if we want new blood, I understand that, too. So, >> well, whether or not you're going to let us put that host there, >> probably not. So, Yeah. Well, >> we didn't get anything through the vet counsel thing. >> Yeah. There's there's no there's no discussion here on this. He just let us know. >> We don't have to. Yeah. >> No, no. Okay. I just was in case we did. >> I just wanted to let you know where I was coming from. I'm glad to serve another term, but >> you were since the beginning, man. >> Yeah. I also I mean, and that I think I put in the application would be the reason I would stay. I'd like to say as things are finally beginning to happen, the first five or so plus years were a little >> 7.5 years. >> How many years have we been doing this? Eight years. >> Nine. >> We were in in the early days when we sat around and let someone else control it. >> Yeah. >> So, you you Jack, you're good. >> Yeah. But if you guys >> question So then what is the process if we have three applicants and there's one seat available? What >> if the council makes that decision? >> The council does. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You recommend. Okay. Well, maybe the council makes a decision too whether they want to keep me or take two. >> You're one of the four. So, yeah. >> Yeah. Or two of the four, right? >> Well, you're you're >> Yeah. But I mean, you're going to pick two of the four. Well, if you go there's there's there's going to be two. >> Yeah. But if we if we just add if we reup you or they reup you. >> Yeah, it's up to it's up to >> I get the process. Whatever happens happens. >> You'll know two uh next Wednesday morning. >> Whether I got Tuesdays morning's free. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Next T8A meeting August 19th, 2025, 7:30. Do we have any other closings? >> Nothing. >> I think um I think an an email can go to everybody after uh the uh discussion has been had with three drivers. >> Well, we got to talk hand down first. We're going to if they're, you know, we can move forward on that piece. >> So, we need to we need to know that as a mass email. Can EDA take control of that P and then we what are we going to do with a meeting with the house? >> Group it together. >> Okay. It's two se >> It's two separate things. Got it. I got it. Send two emails. I don't care how you do it. Spoke signals. Text us. Send us a box of chocolates. >> Okay. Hayden can deliver it. Leave me out of it. He says uh program to pull pull the pin in motion to pull. Stop. >> I'll make a motion. Second. >> All in favor? >> All opposed? >> Like you're going to oppose going home. >> Thanks, guys.