expositions, yings and yangs and don20 [Music] 25 7:30 a.m. We are in session. Okay, everybody a chance to look at the agenda? Any changes they want to make or updates or? Nobody. Jack is out today because uh he's having a medical surgery. I'll tune in to him and see how he's doing later and make sure he's good. And John is out today and we have uh Hayden. How do you stengard Stengard? Stenisguard plural. Extend the guard. Got it. Well, thanks Jayden for coming in. Yeah, no problem. I will uh try my best to answer questions and anything I can will be reverted back to uh John. I don't think we'll have a problem. Okay. So, approval of agenda. I need a a ying on that. Motion to approve. Second. All in favor? I. All opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Consent agenda, approval of minutes, EDA treasures report and summary of commercial industrial inquiries. Hayden, before we jump on this one, just in case um our treasurer is incapacitated for a bit. Sure. I think at this point we should probably do a temporary treasure and we should all agree upon who it's going to be for now. Can we do that? You can certainly uh someone can make a motion to um appoint a a an alternate ju just just in case. Sure. Because it sounds like it's pretty serious. Sure. And this these are things that you do usually at the end of the year or when you do your bylaws but because of the medical emergency. Okay. Yeah. I think to the extent of alternates um I believe that uh Sean is the vice president of the for filling in for you as well. So I don't think that we did anything for secretary as the city staff is the secretary and um the treasurer is Jack. So if you if someone wants to make a motion to um create an alternate that's fine. Well I'd like to note is that the city council guys they're here every two to four years. I I don't know if it should be unless you think that's a thing or should we give it to the next in in command if he wants to do it. If you don't then it would fall to uh Dave. What's your guys's thoughts? I don't think it should be a council member. I think it should be one of the community members. Yeah, I agree. Scott. Yep. Okay. Do you want a backup or do you want Dave to back up? I'll be the backup. Okay. So, we need a motion for that. make a motion that on the uh interim uh treasure. And how long is this for? Until until gets back or gets better. If you know there's an if there if you don't want to do it, I get it. And then at the beginning of the year, if you want to do that at the start of the year, just in case something like this happens again, you can certainly do that, but that would be the time where it would probably come up again for questions. Well, he does have technical seniority over Dave, so I would I'll be happy to do it. Okay. Motion, please. Uh I'll make a motion. I made the motion. Oh, Scott, I'm sorry. I'll second. Second. All in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries. And you can't report today, so you know, you can't uh there's nothing I really tell you. Approval of minutes, treasure report in summary of commercial industrial inquiries. That's a Hayden thing, isn't it? Yeah, I can certainly answer questions for you on that. [Applause] I saw the list in here. Here 3C. Yes. Very, very nice. I'm sorry. What' you say? Page nine. Three. That's three. And I'll just note, you can see in the table that some of those are duplicates, just um multiple points of contact for uh certain projects. scores in the middle. And if you see the acronym RFI on there, that would be a Minnesota deed uh request for information that is sent out to the mass of cities within a specific area that is uh a company is showing interest. Um they are a long process. Sometimes they take 6 months to a year to get to a point where they identify a site. But uh those initial points of contact are the the items that we reach out for. And if we've got a site that's available for them, we certainly provide information to deed uh for them to share with the company that's interested in a a site. So there's 3 C following summaries, contacts between non-residential development business. Okay. um date, category, new construction, and of course the the jobs and investment and sometimes even the name is anonymous, which is okay. Yeah, but this is how many we have in that amount of time. Yeah, some of those are duplicates um on there. Uh like you can see there's multiple uh contacts for Scanel um which was a previous uh warehouse and distribution center that was approved in 2022. Um they've reached out to the city and expressed interest in kind of restarting that process and uh their tiff certification expired. So they would have to go through that process again through the city council if the city council chose to do so. Um and the planning commission has recommended that they come back through preliminary plat which is consistent with the code as it's been um quite some time since their final plat was approved and that uh kind of that time frame between approval and them having to record the final plat has lapsed. So they would have to restart the process. So if they if they tickle us once and all sudden they want to do it halfway through the month just on this sheet. Correct. Well that that seems like a lot of traffic doesn't it? We do get a lot of inquiries here in town. What what were we missing before we asked this question? We missed a whole lot of information, but to to Dave's point Oh, in terms of EDA knowledge on inquiries and things like that, right? Sure. Yeah. Well, good graph, Dave. Well, and I have a a related question. And I don't know if it's um ahead of getting ahead of myself, but uh we're specifically talking about the triangle and that that's been the impetus for all of this. However, this really shows something at a a much higher level than that. Correct. But in regards to the triangle, have we, you know, anybody spent any time taking a look at that property and what it could support? Obviously, it's not going to support a 125,000 ft. 5 acres times 42 is 200. We're going to cover this at 8:00. Okay. So throw it back a little bit because this is all going to be That's fine. I I know where you're going with it. It It just What will the support? I got it. Yeah, that that's all. So I'll I'll hold off. But still, I would agree with you um that the in this uh whole thing even if there's duplicates, you know, I would have thought half a list like this for March. And certainly, you know, it it shows that there is a lot of interest in Dayton. I mean, which we didn't see until now. Yes. And to the EDA's perspective, the unfortunate part is the majority of them, as you can see, are interested in warehouse and distribution facilities. That gives us a miniscus of what what we're looking at, too. So, that's intel for us. Or, you know, I mean, obviously gives us city council zoning thoughts. um you know with Dave Parkway coming in you know I mean that the you know it it's good to have information. Do you do you get these reports Mr. Council? No no would that help you guys? I think I mean if it if it develops we're going to hear about it. So well this is kind of a win. Okay. Well, then uh not inconsistent with uh other communities I've worked for as having kind of an updated status list of inquiries and things like that. So in regards to this, I don't know uh and maybe this isn't related, but did anyone read the article about Egan in the paper and about their city council and the economic development authority and their ability to fill in Thomas Reuters and uh the Delta Airlines uh Blue Cross Blue Shield and and what the city's doing, you know, to develop to bring industrial base to uh to Egan. It was quite interesting. Now obviously they have other advantages but hopefully we don't we have too many goats and sheep that we want to bring into Davy. We're almost to that point but not today. No, but I think that's a Egan's a great example of course and I'm a little biased. I lived there for 30 years. Okay. And when I moved to Egan, it had 13,000 for a population, you know, now it's what 68 or something in that in that range. So time I lived there was the time that that whole city really developed out and and I thought they did a lot of really smart things in terms of keeping an industrial corridor and and really promoting you know that side of it because that really helped on the tax side for the residents there to have that industrial base and they they've continued to build off of that. Of course you get some momentum. I mean the Vikings moving there was a big deal and and uh but even before that it was um it was a couple of different names but the the uh the Sparity plant was there and uh Northwest Airlines was there for a long time. I one of the things I did notice in that article was that the city of Egan was working with Ryan companies on planning, not not what would you build, but overall planning of and Ryan certainly might have a um certainly has an idea of of where things are going in the commercial industrial um sectors. So it'll also be an 8:00 conversation. Okay. Way ahead of you on that. Any more conversation about uh summer commercial industrial 3B 3C? I think it's a great gig. We should continue that. I I for one think that's a very awesome tool. Okay. Hayden, is there anybody online? There is nobody online. And there's nobody in session, so we'll skip open forum. President Hunter, we will need a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda. Oh, let's do that. I'll make a motion. Second. I'll second. All in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries. Okay, we'll skip uh number four. Old business. Do we have anything to update us on these things, Hayden? Um Let me see here. Couple of things that I think John wanted me to mention uh related to the flower pots is uh I read the minutes from last month and uh that uh there was some interest from the EDA members of um sponsoring again a flower pot and then a couple of uh members were interested in waiting to hear if the public wanted to reach out first and if there were any left over um you guys would take on the remainder. Uh, and Johnny mentioned that we would reach out to the people who have sponsored last year to see if they wanted to redo their sponsorship. So, that is what we will do. So, do we have anyone that claimed a pot for this year yet? Not at this time. No, at least not to my knowledge. John might have different information, but I haven't heard anything specific. I don't recall. Was that in the uh communicator? I don't recall in the January one in just the recent one that we just put out. I mean, we put one out about 2 3 weeks ago. I didn't see it. I didn't that was in there. There was one that was put out in January and then I think that there is one going out in May. Okay. We should get a blurb pen there. Yep. Absolutely. You want to put that in there? Yeah. Uh we would like to guide you guys to put that in there. Plus, did we do our brochure for the EDA went out to the people yet? That went out in the January communicator. It had a whole page of its own. Okay. Related to far thing of that either. Nope. That was specific to the uh programs that you guys have like the loan fund and things for um businesses to reach out if they were ever interested. [Music] So, was kind of a whole page dedicated to people understanding what the EDA's uh role is within the city and uh kind of what the um useful tools that you guys have if uh people choose to use them. So, we were talking about a brochure and it went out in the communicator. When did we switch that? I don't know if we switched it. Switch. We were talking about a brochure like an EDM edm. So we were talking Oh, a to mail out. Yeah, a mail versus We did talk about that, but the the cost was too I mean it would have been 15 whatever it was. It's about four grand to do that. Well, I thought the insert in itself was in my opinion was a separate EDA thing. So, I mean, you could have literally pull it out, you know. So, well, and the information that was included in the communicator would have been the exact same that would have been in the brochure that we would have sent out, just that page of information of what um what the EDA has and their tools. Um, so you saw you thought it was Yeah, I I thought, "Wow, you know, this is this is good." Now, um, if you know, I think we should continue to promote EDA, um, in the communicator and and certainly not saying a separate page, but at some point, you know, this is what your EDA is doing, etc., etc. I mean, if you look at quarterly update something. Yeah. If you look at, and I don't know if we brought this up last meeting, but um uh PERM, Minnesota, you know, there's a great big thing on Perm and the the uh Tffy Nelson who built the uh the dog Ty's dog food plant in Perm. He built a uh Wigh's licorice. you know that that's where that comes from and all all about the the uh resident of perm bringing back to the community you know so it's it's that community stayed very lively because of so we take a ride in the communicator which is way less or does it do we get to do that on a regular bas there's no expense for the EDA correct the community and economic development has dedicated a page generally for every communicator. So, we can certainly um whether that's providing residential updates or economic development updates, we can we can uh work with it uh within that page. Nice. Okay. Well, then a loose leaflet type thing or is actually the page? It'd be a full page within the communicator itself. And I'll also note too that the Champlain Dayton guide was recently updated. I don't know when that's specifically going to come out, but that highlights some of the um economic development progress that's been going on in Dayton, including states manufacturing getting the M anddeed grants um like the JCF and the Miff grant and that they'd be moving into the um the cubes building. So um there are highlights in there as well. So maybe at this point us as a group should designate one of us to be a communicator. Sure. you know, I whatever I can do. If there's something specific that you want to highlight, certainly reach out to John or myself and we can uh we can work on getting that information in there. And what do you have a deadline then? Um I can get you the deadline for the May one. I think it's coming up next week or the week after. Okay. Do we have to vote on this to get him to be the guy? No. No. Okay. You want would you take that role? Yeah, I'll take the role. So to make sure that we're in the limelight of the public and know how be very transparent. Yeah. Dave, if you uh we can get after Kelsey and have her do some sort of other little picture thing with the pots and try to get the public involved in it. Sure. Yeah. That deadline is May 9th. So um who we going to call you? Like communications director thing guy. How about Dave? Oh Dave. Yes. They're going to say which Dave. Which Dave? Which Dave Anderson? Yeah, with Dave Anderson there only 400 in this city. Okay. Well, then thanks for taking it. Sure. We'll let you run with it. And and is it possible maybe to meet with you and John at some point during the week? Sure. Okay. All right. Let's put that on. There's Dave. I see new business got transferred to uh old business of last month. So they talked about that and it's been transferred over if I believe Aiden and vice chair checked it. So I think we're there on that one. Okay. the uh I I was going to ask uh the day legislative bill status update was it has there been any updates or is it still in progress? Once those types of appropriations bills gets introduced more often than not they are hardly ever approved or passed separately from an omnibus bill. Um, so all of that information if there is um money appropriated to the city um it would be in one of those omnibus bills that have been drafted. Um I've been looking through the current omnibus bills that were originally introduced whether that was in March or uh some of them were introduced last week as well like the transportation one and the state and local government one. Um there's very minimal dollars that have been included initially for city appropriations. Um, and if anything changes, as likely that language is going to change quite a bit until it gets to the point of them making a decision on them, uh, we'll certainly keep you keep you up to date on whether th that information or those, uh, bills that were introduced get included in that. My conversation as of Monday is all three of ours for EDR still in effect. That's what I understand. John only submitted the one, but I went back and made the other two happen. one through the DNR and the other one through Jeff. That's John. Yeah, I think if I recall, I think there was four or five um bills that were included specific to Dayton. Okay. Um and like I said, that language is going to change as they meet in committee and um get language introduced and included in there for new cities. Yeah, we went to schools, we went to DNR, and then we went to so the main a main ask, but we're asking for a cash give, not a but I I did check with him. He will be in the shop tomorrow for an oil change. I think that's tomorrow, isn't it? And we can if anybody wants to go and visit with him, that's the time to visit. Were you uh open? I'm going to try to make it. Okay. So, heads up, we have three in play that have not been cancelled yet for EDA. Sure. Good. The transportation uh omnibus bill at this point only includes appropriations for three cities right now. And I think the major project that was included was um I'm blanking on the city right now, but it was a major road construction project on Highway 55. So those that's kind of where it's at right now and uh we'll continue to monitor them. Cool. Uh, no new business. Staff updates verbal. I don't have any staff updates. I think the majority of the all the updates that I had for you were in old business. Okay. And the ones we had for updates we've already talked about in the old business, old business ourselves. So, we can blow through that one. Let's see. It is 5 minutes to 8. We could probably close now unless anybody wants to add something. Scott, no. You good? You good? Okay. Pursuant to Minnesota statute 13D.05 subsection 3C 3, a close session shall be conducted to develop and or consider offers or counter offers for the purchase of a sale of real estate. Property included is the 1800 P number 3112022 130010. Can he shut that camera off? Yes. Uh, just to be safe because I'm not sure off the top of my head, I would take a motion and a second to enter into close session. I'll make a motion. I'll second. All in favor? I. All opposed. That'd be the first uh time we did that, isn't it? We we've been out of close session for about two minutes now. So, we're back into normal session. Thought I did that. Okay. That's what I would guess. I mean, I I don't but I think so. Well, just a question, you know, because obviously to me it doesn't look like blue means anything other than the printer decided to print it blue. That was just from a lay. Yeah, I'm not seeing that point. I don't see either. I see negatives in parentheses. I understand that, you know, and numbers on the balance from 33124. you know, they're not in blue. And yet there are expenditures in the uh 33124 that are in black, but they're in blue for the 25. That again, just uh something I noticed. Yeah, if you'd like, I can uh run and grab Zach uh for that. But uh my guess is that would be um the total amount of money that's come in and gone um in between that balance time, which would be 33124 and 33125. It's not very uh clear and concise on what is uh expenses and what is um revenues other than the following column on the left. Maybe it's just blue sky. It could be. No, I don't know. But it caught my eye. So, are you satisfied with what you got there? Your question. Yeah, I you know, it is what it is. You know, I'm not demanding it get changed anything. Just curious why. And yes. Acting treasur, do you see anything going on there that you got questions on? accounts payable liabilities. What is that in regards to that? I'll have to get Zach for and I could certainly run and grab him if I was curious. Uh I'm guessing that if you take 294780 and add in the 65250 of uh property tax payments, that'll add up to third $3,54.7. I don't know that, but I'm guessing. Mhm. Property tax payments of 65250. That doesn't add up because it's uh 30 cents in there. Property tax payments. A city pays property tax on certain properties. I can't I'm not sure which one specifically. Well, it's got to be related to us. So, it's a probably the lent piece could be if there were um delinquencies or anything like that. Maybe that would be something that was taken care of in the If you want further, I would get Zach on that. I mean, he's the one that probably put this together. I mean, he was in on it. I'm sure. I will uh I will grab him right now. It doesn't have on the lent property. I do just want to make a note. Um you guys had mentioned about uh last week or last month uh having some concept ideas of what can be some conceptual ideas of what could be placed on that property when it becomes vacant. Um Stantech is currently working on um creating a couple of concepts for review and John wanted me to mention to you that uh it is likely that you'll see those in May. Okay. I'll run and grab Zach. He's right here. I just seen him close the door. We forgot to close version. We did that. Zack J. Good morning, Zach. Thank you for joining us in today's EPA. Good morning, Ed. I appreciate you taking the time to come in. Thank you. What can I help with? Uh, there's a question on how the uh accounting page turned up on 3B. Sure. What's the blue mean? Um, I don't know why it's blue. Um, there isn't a difference in changes or anything. It's just maybe to show and highlight the fact that that's the this year's numbers and not last year's numbers, but they should be black. There's no difference in blue or black numbers. It's a good catch, but I don't know why it popped up as blue because Well, I'm I'm okay with it. Just it separates from what we had to what we're current. I mean, yeah. So, basically what we looked at is pull the trial balance from last year at this time and then this year at this time. So, we just try to compare apples to apples from last year to this year and then say, "Okay, here's where we're at." Um and the main difference is that obviously we've had some expenses this year that we purchased some property and um had some legal fees and such but again just in total nothing major has changed besides the purchase of property is probably the main thing. The uh property tax number of 6502 something 650 this property had taxes on it. Yep. We're due. Okay. So we we didn't purchase the property till January didn't close on till January something. And so as soon as January 2nd rolls around, you owe taxes for the whole year. So in order to close on the property, you have to pay all the taxes off before it goes tax exempt. So it will be tax exempt in 2026. But because we didn't purchase the property till January I can't remember what the closing date was, 10th or something like that, the property taxes are due January 2nd. So if we you can't close on New Year's Day, obviously it's a holiday. So as soon as January 2nd happens, you have to pay all the taxes for the next year. Yeah. So that happens on a property if you if you personally were to buy a property too be the same thing. You have to pay all the taxes off for the full that full year when you buy the when you buy the property. That's why on some of those statements it's like oh this is part of the taxes. This is part of this. What we elected to do is instead of having it on that closing statement we said send us the tax bill separately. We'll just pay it separately. That's why it's broken up. So So it is taxree. It's moving forward in 26. Yep. Okay. It wasn't. The city didn't get correct. I was I was surprised it was taxed at all. I thought cities didn't have to pay tax on that, but well, the city didn't own it. As of January 2nd, the city did not own it. So, that means we are it's not tax exempt. Now, it has to be for a public purpose. Um, the EDA would be a public purpose because it's for economic development purposes. That would be the purpose of the property. If the city were to own it, it would have to be named a park or some sort of facility for it to be considered taxexempt property. So we we as a city do own property in town that we have to pay taxes on still because it's not for a city public purpose. Um like so triangle-wise we should get that off the books and on our books as soon as possible so we don't have to pay tax on it. Um yeah. So if you could do it this year, it would be before January 2nd of next year, you wouldn't have to pay taxes on it next year. And I could file for we could file for exemption for next year. But if you do it anytime after January 2nd next year, you then have to pay taxes for that year and then Well, that's kind of a goal. Yeah, that's good to know. So, we got what about nine months? Yep. Eight months take eight nine months to take care of this. Seven and a half. Really? Seven and a half. Yeah, it's right. Eight, which I don't see that being a problem. Shouldn't be. Yeah. I don't care. I'm not okay with not paying tax on it. Mhm. Yeah, that's a big piece especially in that area. So, hey, is that like under liabilities, accounts payable? Yep. The amount of 3,54 and 74 cents. Yep. What's that in regards to? So, how how the books work and how the accounting works for the city is when a check is cut, it goes into accounts payable as the credit and then debits expenditures. So, those $3,000 of accounts payable you see there are actually included in those expenditures in the bottom area. And then as soon as that check is cashed by the person that we sent it to, it um takes out of accounts payable and hits cash. So it debits then accounts payable and then credits cash. So what you're seeing in cash right now, you should take the cash number, subtract out the $3,000 for the accounts payable. That would be technically the full book balance of cash we have today. So how the system works is just hits accounts payable, then expenditures, and then expenditures are all there. You can see every one of them and then when that person cashes the check it comes out of accounts payable and then hits cash. So tracking it. Yep. So it technically you cash is like 52412. That 3,000 is already on in that summary. It's in those expenditures. Yep. In that summary on the below, but it's not included in cash. So the cash is 527. There's $3,000 of accounts payable. Technically, if you net those two together because we sent out a check, they will cash it eventually. That's the hope at least. So, that means that technically you have 524 for cash left on hand. So, it shows 527 and then $3,000 of accounts payable. If you net those two together, that's the actual physical cash we have left to spend. That does that make sense? It's just how account the county works in the system. So, it's all the expenditures are there. It's just we send out checks and sometimes they take forever to I mean, some people send out checks for three, four months. So, Well, the reason I was asking is because I didn't see that expense under expenditures. Oh, yeah. Because it's included in So, um, it'll just credit credit one account, accounts payable, and then it could be debiting, um, professional services or property tax payments or whatever code it is. It could be multiple of those codes in the expenditures column. But that means what you're seeing on the bottom part, the 154 for total expenditures, that's all your expenditures you have in total. It's not going to add 3,000 to that. Those $3,000 have already been added to that 154 number. Any other questions for Zach? Perfect. Thanks, Zach, for joining us today. Thanks. All right. Uh, wrap it. We can wrap this up, but before we bounce, I'd like to uh Aiden, can we get a card for Jack? We got to recognize his. Can there something we can do as a group to do that? Yeah, absolutely. Yep. Um, if you'd like, I'm sure that I can uh make a run out to grab something and uh if you want to stop in, I can let send an email and let you guys know that the cart's here at the city for you guys. All right with that. You guys, I think we should recognize the eight years he's put in here. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Any other questions before we pull a pin? I just had one question. I I'm looking at the uh at the screen. This didn't come up um during the old business. Right. Right. But um area of lead property above the flood plane. Do we know how much area is there? Many square feet. And is is it an island? Well, for reference, that garage that is on that screen is a 30x 24. Um, this area here, I don't have the exact number on this right now, but this area is a 30 by 24. So, you're talking about 700 square ft. We don't know how much more is bu is actually buildable. I mean, you know, there might be another 10 or 20 or feet each way. I mean, I don't know that number. Well, there are there are mitigation uh there is mitigation available, but I think from uh city engineer Jason Quizberg had mentioned to us that uh if you want to take more area of this land out of the flood plane, it has to be from soil that is on the property itself already. So, that's kind of the one mitigation process that uh we could try and look at to see if we can get more area of the property out of the flood plane. So, we could dig a harbor. who could try and do that, I'm sure. Um the other the other part is there are um ways that you can build within the flood plane, but it is uh it's more of a matter of cost when it comes to that because there's a lot of flood proofing that's required and Pacific Grassings did it. Correct. So, and do we have a we we still have a general consensus of what we want this piece of property to be or we've talked about that in the past. Do have we changed that since then? We wanted to cover that today, too. um a place to eat, restaurant, brewery. Well, I think, you know, I've spent about since the last meeting thinking about this and uh you know, the riverfront is is certainly a good uh draw, but in in theory, it's only good for May, June, July, August, September, you know, or the what do you call the wet path? The water path, whatever they call that. The water trail. Water trail. Water trail. cuz that's one of our bonds asks now, right? I understand that. Um, however, you know, it's iced up. It's about the same time frame. About the same time frame. You know, you're not going to see canoe. Can you get a canoe in there at that time of year? Well, you can't, but don't fall in. I don't go when it's cold. There's other sports for that. You don't even snow when it's cold, man. I get that. She bought a four-wheeler and a snow wheel. So I mean I think that has to be put into consideration with with that is is certainly the waterfront is again a a very nice addition but what what could support that business yet you know the other twothirds of the time and we all heard Scott's numbers and what it takes to run that every day. So we we we listened how do we make that work? I mean, just as a general, is this the feeling we all want to talk about? Well, I think two parts. One, we figure out how we can get the most buildable area we can, and then we market it for sale and see what is brought to the table as far as inquires and what they're proposing to put there. Okay. Right. I mean, I don't know if you agree, but yeah, we got to figure out what is there a market for this property and what do they want to do with it? I know the cart is front of the horse here. I get it. Yeah. But but if we have a general motion, I think the first thing I'll do is find out how how big a building Mhm. what will it support, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because if we're going to put this thing up for sale, we're going to have to disclose that to some degree. You know, here's how big of a building you can put there. Okay. I mean, I just as a side comment, I I look at Zillow at lake properties and and in in the lake property for that it says flood risk, you know, and some of the eight eight out of 10 and then it would tell you, you know, and then you can there's actually a state site that shows all the flood planes. So, very interesting. So, which will be truth and advertising thing for us. I get it. But the root cause is or the root feeling here is place to eat. How about we just put it as a place to eat for now? Yeah. If you get a little cafe or Yeah. Okay. You guys agree with that? That might be your best case scenario. Which what would that be zoned at? A restaurant or a bar? This area would be general mixed use in the um old village district. actually be if the correlating zoning district would be GMU3. Okay. Wasn't everything that was on the main road GMU3 from fronttown to new all through Oldtown? I think at least on uh the county road, everything on the that's adjacent to the county road is. I'm not sure about this specific area whether this is still RO because it's residential, but I actually I've got the map pulled up here. And will it extend if the properties are combined and it go makes the L and if that guy doesn't want to sell? that extend down to the docks. So, three of the four lots are the three lots to the east are mixed use right now and the one uh to the west is Aro. So, that would just be just kind of an added step to the process that would already bring your mouse so I can see what you're doing there. I can pull Oops. And to enhance the buildable area, you cannot bring outside dirt in. That's that's from my understanding. Um, and I can certainly double check on that, but I think that that was outside dirt. Dirt. Oh, really? Yeah. I can only That would surprise me though. That that actually would surprise me because I mean they build roads over swamps. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Proper permitting from the DNR for roadways. Um and I'm sure that could be a conversation we can have internally. So because that would help. 700 is not very much. No, you're not going to get much for that. It's a shed. No. So yeah, we definitely got to figure out how to get a larger buildable area. Look into can we haul and fill? Can we regrade what's there? Move some dirt around. And a bigger question is going to be how much do we have to raise it to get it out of the flood plane? Are we talking one foot or are we talking six feet? One ft. One foot is going to be way easier to get to than if we have to raise it six feet. There's going to be setback um ordinances, too. Mhm. Did you show us that piece yet? Yeah. This is as far as I can zoom in. But this is the the properties here. So the brown is what? General mixed use uh residential old village. Okay. And then the three are the g the general mixed use district. Does it change the one below it that goes all the way through water? The other one we bought uh the one below it would uh just have to go through a reszoning process for the general mixed use if it's going to be so GMU all around this guy. This this residential that would essentially if uh you have a cafe there or something like that, all of these properties would be developed at the same time. So, they would be the same zoning because you probably utilize a portion of this area closer as parking or whatever, you know, one of those uh types of uses that doesn't require a structure that can be in the flood plane. So, um obviously you're to your point, Sean, what you're looking for is kind of probably up in this area where there already is land out of the flood plane. How can you increase that area? Um, right. And I will say too, I'll just go over to the actually I'll show you on here, but this area about halfway through this property and this is just GIS um educated guesses on the GIS maps is existing floodway where that is your ultimate limitation on there is no no building of structures within the floodway. But there is some mitigation uh processes that we can look into for the 100red-year flood plane. And if we look at that, are there any impervious surface uh restrictions on that? In other words, can if you put a building in the parking lot and you have nothing else, can you just let it drain into the river? Let's see. Oh god, no. I doubt it. As far as storm water run off, I mean, I doubt that. I mean, the boat landing is sort of that way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know it it's all impervious surface thing there. This something we want to get AIG on. I think you need to find out what can you do first? Who who do we find out what we can do first? Is that what we you tell staff to do? Yeah. Okay. Then I guess we're asking that is staff to go and see whiskey tango fox. We're going to do there and how. So we should have that for our next meeting. Let's put that in our next meeting. How can we increase the square footage or is that enough time for you guys? What are the rules and regulations, right, attached to that as well? Yeah. Because if if we if our ask doesn't come through, then we got to have a plan B and we got to keep moving on it, right? Okay. Well, then we're asking. Yep. That's uh we will uh start working on uh getting answers for you to that. And you know, if if there are mitigation things that the EDA can do, that's probably something that would, at least from my recommendation, would be something that uh maybe this EDA could look into doing before marketing or showing that there is more area out of the flood plane. Again, it's a matter of process. Um, but uh that's up to that's up to the EDA. So, we'll certainly bring back uh some answers to those questions. Anybody want to add something else for next week or next month? Put a fork in it. Mhm. Okay. Let's see. It is uh 8:35. 8:3040 session. We got to do a motion, don't we? Motion to adjurnn. Second. Second. All in favor? IDA is done.