e e order the Parks Commission of November 4th uh please rise for pledge of allegiance Al to the flag United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right I entertain a motion to approve the agenda a motion second all right um consent agenda a vote a vote all in favor say I I I all oppose same sign right uh consent agenda approval of the park commission minutes from October 1st all motion well we didn't have any to go over yeah there weren't any that's true I read everything else okay that's sound to me I didn't check the packet before it went out um I'll make sure they get sent out to you tomorrow apprciate my recommendation would be to table that item just so it's officially tabled and we can approve at the next council meeting at the next Park commission meeting as an official action so that's what I would recommend okay I'd entertain a motion to table this item I motion second all in favor I I opposed all right brings us to open Forum do we have anybody here online to speak at Park meeting chair there is nobody online at the zoom I heard the all right um Council update uh commissioner coost chair and uh commission thank you very much so um we had a few things we went over one of which was the Morris Leatherman survey which I've asked staff to come in and present um to you all today specifically the pieces related to Parks because there were a few things that were in there that I thought would be good for yall to be able to discuss and ask questions on um and then we approved going out to bid for LC Stevens Park North pedestrian bridge that's the bridge closest to the river um we moved forward with the bounce pillow idea and by that I mean we uh directed staff to go out and look at opportunities for for Grants and covering costs and those kind of things um and then we purchased land off of 117th Avenue and we voted to install irrigation and Wells at the city parks to help get the grass watered for upcoming years our goal is to get done this fall um so that way it' be ready for next spring I stand for any questions you may have so you discussed the bounce pillow did we did you guys discuss the workout area as well yes the workout area was also discussed and asked staff to find grants see what we do to cover yes sir anybody else have questions okay thank you thank you um move on to staff update um Z Matt's given most of what I was going to put in there but that's fine um uh with uh the next the next council meeting we should have uh the results of the um the bridge um bid um it was open last say the bids came in substantially under the engineers estimate um so we're working through what that looks like and make sure that everything's complete in the bids before we bring them to council but there objectives get uh to councils next meeting for approval um we had a discussion a little bit a while ago about Trails um we did uh I did talk to Three Rivers Park District about the trail along Territorial Road um they are interested in partnering with us on that um it would be uh fit for their Rush Creek uh uh Russ Creek Regional Trail Network up there um so we'll be negotiating with those guys it's not in their budget for 2025 it's likely to be a 2026 project as far as they're concerned okay that's pretty much all I have all right thank you Marty do you know the date of the LC Ste Stevens bids when we're going to start expecting those back ultim I'm curious to know the bid for LC Stevens Bridge never mind my bad um LC Steven when we were talking about equipment for the final bid do we know we had a discussion I want to say two months ago about what we would like to see at these Parks LC step the water park stuff like that and then another park at the same time so we would be working with Paul Kangas on that we've been work focusing on the bridge and the irrigation part um up to now now we'll transition into getting the bid documentation and package stuff ready for the rest of LC Stevens Park and area 21 and the ion Gardens thing so I would say in the next two months we should see something um have something to share with you guys on that okay anybody have questions for Marty no all right we'll move on to the regular meeting uh the resident survey so just one quick thing this I've included some um shots in here for the Jack lant and pumpkin Trail I don't know if any of you guys were there but it was a successful evening um a lot of pumpkins I think it's something like 150 pumpkins turned up and wow so there's a lot of interest in it it went very well so be something that we look to do next year that's awesome that's great to hear sorry Z you're doing a great job you got great weather Marty yeah that helps yeah I I personally tended this um item when I was out there and it was great to see the people out about again the weather couldn't have been much better I don't think but um I think we pulled together a lot of pumpkins for not having anything about a week before the event so I will say that I think we did some pretty good marketing at the end good that you didn't have anything a week before the event cuz we did a pumpkin a week before and it melted the Monday before I don't know if we needed the pumpkin but more or less the pledge that said you're going to bring a pumpkin fantastic U cuz we had I think about zero at the beginning of that last week so overall really well and I the plan will be to do this again next year so nice work all right the survey so I want to get touch based on on the survey again I'm Zach I haven't quite met everyone at The Parks Commission meeting only because I don't go to a lot of them and not because I don't want to just because I'm pretty busy so um I'm Zach I'm the city administrator if I haven't met you please stop by say hi or ask a question or six is all good um and so I'm here to just present present the survey that was completed by Morris letherman um U Mr letherman is a much better presenter than I am with the information and he can spit it out and he's really good at um presenting so I'm going to do my best um I will tell you that it's probably better if you watch the actual one on um the uh Dayton website but but um I'm here to provide some just some Snippets and we can ask questions as we go uh it was a 400 random sample survey of Dayton residence again completed in the month of August so it is a couple months old uh the reason why we waited to get it to the Parks Commission is because we wanted the city council to weigh in provide questions provide comments before we brought it all to the commissions uh we have an interview time of 14 minutes on average um it was noted by Mr lman we did have somebody on the phone for 45 minutes so that's fantastic to hear those people are what we call boosters is what I heard or um that they always like to boost the community so they're always talking about stuff non- respon rates of non response rate of 5 a half% but um typically we're within 5% of our Mark uh 95 out of 100 cases so um if you increase the sample size by I think it's 600 people then you get at 4% um plus or minus so it doesn't make much sense to increase that amount of sample when you only get a 1% difference in change and it doesn't matter the population it could be 400 people in Dayton 400 people in the state of Minnesota I'm not a stats guy that's not what I do but from what Mr lman had said is that doesn't matter how many people you do or big area it is 400 is just a plus or minus 5% that's just how it stats work um I don't know how to ask came if you have more questions 65% were self-own only 8% were landline only so we did hit some f s some households that were only landlines and they do still exist and then 27% were both demographics so the big question was always how are we're going to hit every single demographic that's been a big thing from everybody and we hit about every single demographic pretty much as perfectly as you can for percentage wise so if you look at how long they've lived here in the community is the first section less than 5 22% 22% 6 to 10 and then we also hit 29% I've been here for over 20 years so roughly about 25% per um breakdown of that percentage an area um age 18 to 34 32 35 to 54 38 and 55 and over 30% again about a 33% clip on each one of those households with seniors 22% households with children 40 um financially stressed versus financially comfortable significantly more people are financially comfortable um from what Mr lman had mentioned is that this is something similar you would see to a community like Edina or Eden Prairie um in that southwest corner of the Metro is typically where you see this much Financial comfortableness when people are asking answering questions um typically it's more financially stressed and you'd see on the screen today so which is a good thing for us overall and then again about 50/50 between men and women so um they do have a very extensive database I'm not sure how they get all the information they do but they have a list of people and they can dissect and if one person doesn't answer they can find somebody with a very similar demographic relatively quickly in the database that he has so I'll get into specific items I did bring in a few items that aren't maybe related to The Parks directly but they are indirectly related to the parks one of them is quality of life um it is very impressive that we have a 95% excellent or good rating of quality of life in the city of Dayton um I think some of that has to go to the parks as well so that's why I left it in here because it's not just you know um you know Maple Groves down the road and we live in a rural area there's other things that are related to that and Parks has to be part of that quality of life rating so um that is very important and impressive to have I think the note on something here was that we get to another one um like most about the city um one of the top ones you can see there is parks and trails um rural open space 9% 9% and these are based on a breakdown so this is an open-ended question whatever you want to say like most of all the city it was an open-end question they could say whatever they liked and then we broke them down by categories as best you could if anything scored more than 2% I got a category if it didn't score more than 2% it didn't get a category it just got clumped into the none or scattered area so um typically they relied somewhere in parks and trails being safe pretty much what you see in a rural um community and not so much a you know want to say inner inner city or suburb area typically what you see um small town field rural open space stuff like that so what did this yep sorry no no no please ask questions as we go it's way easier what is the scattered so that could mean that they maybe had six different answers but none of them landed in any one of those what 12 categories above it they were it might be that's kind of what I assumed but I just wanted they might have had four or five answers but none of them actually met any one of those 12 categories above they might be you know uh just trying to think of something off the walls I like the trees that are in the community or something and they don't match any one of the 12 categories above so it's considered a scattered answer City service ratings so this is one of them that I do want to touch base on cuz it may not relate again directly to Parks but it does um a portion wise um specifically we can look at Park maintenance and park facilities both rating in the favorable category of at least 85% which is pretty dang impressive in my U personal opinion um this is significantly higher so if you look at all of these City service ratings the average is about an 82% which um compared to the greater metro area is about 2% higher than what you see in most communities across the board the one that is dragging that percentage down is the city drinking water which I think anybody would complain about or be surprised that you saw that on that screen for City service it was not surprising to City staff either that we we know that's the case so any question questions on City service ratings nice work awesome on the place yeah we did we talk about it all the time we kind of take it for granted but they're it's nice to see them get that nodh right oh yeah that's it's great like I said it's not just it's not just staff either it is Parks Commission it is Planning Commission it is Council that makes those things happen so and we appreciate that well it's nice to see fire too it's too bad John's not here n but yeah well miss the meeting that's what happens um development would like to see so this is a big thing I wanted to add this in here I didn't add the ones of the opposite which you'd not like to see and the reason because most of the people said they um don't really care what they would not like to see um similar to what you see as development you'd like to see is basically none but they also didn't care if there was any more development but what I did want to highlight in this one is that they do want to see more parks that is one of the items that hit on as a big item is that they want to see more Parks they want to see more Trails they want to see pools and splash pads a community center um I think this community is now looking at an area that they want to have to be able to bring the community together and there's just there isn't that spot currently LC Stevens is probably something that's the closest to it um which isn't fully developed out yet um and really doesn't have that Central item to bring people there I mean there's the river and stuff and there's a few smaller items but nothing really to keep you there once you're there so um but again we like to see these things only because it's good this isn't um an open-ended question again and again categorized into whatever people had mentioned the most and again not surprising that almost 60% of the community said they don't want any development at all so um but they also on the flip side if you watch the full version they also don't care if there's new development at all either they don't there's nothing that they wouldn't like to see so um not sure how to really take that into consideration but um City characteristics so this is something that may not be directly again related to Parks but does relate to how we get to parks and who uses the parks is um what do they want to see too much of a about right and too um few or too little of so the base of the green side is we kind of What U Mr lman had mentioned is that we look at what's the difference between the red and the green that's pretty much what we look at there's big discrepan between too much and too few that means we probably have to get on one side of the other of those things Assisted Living one level associations affordable housing starter homes many of the ones that we wanted to see more of um but also you know trails and parks are listed there again parks and Open Spaces again listed there as well um job producing businesses again a big one that we want to see so as we get more job producing businesses they're going to need more trails to be able to go walk on because that's what people do on their lunch breaks or their 15-minute breaks they go on walks and we see a lot of those people out and about on the trails I'm out in Dayton any question question specifically on City characteristics that people would like to see I think we were a little surprised at staff level that everyone was really concerned about the amount of high-end housing which I don't see us really having maybe high-end housing depends on where you're at in life um highend housing to myself would be something over a million dollars or something yeah surprised to see that too yeah I think we have a good mix but I would agree I think we have a really good mix but I said some of the with you looking at the percentages between the green and the red highend housing is the only one that's not that quite that way I also wonder if people know like all of the like lines of Dayton versus Grove CH cuz like literally across the into champ our our house is right on the line of champlin and their are million plus dollar homes right across from our humble area they might take that is day and that is correct yeah I you know it's hard for people to understand where you're at to really I mean um if you live in the C town you probably think you're really pretty much in Maple Grove even though you may you know you may know you're in Dayton but you might feel like you're in Maple Grove more um and might be just the opposite of someone like where you're at Kai is that we see over there it's a million dollar home that's in Champlain or whatever so true I'm surprised that anyone answered too many or too much for restaurants and for just businesses overall I'm confus I'm very confused there was a there was a few answers if you watch the full thing again I I bits and P piece this pieces out as best I could but also provided a little more context um but if you watch the full thing you'll see like some people don't want any job producing businesses in town either they say it's we're already too close to Champlain we're already too close to M girl we're too close to Rogers you can go to those locations and get whatever you want to and not have it here so just I guess different viewpoints of what people think so interesting not a bad you know Viewpoint though by any means park and recreation facility so these ones are going to be specific to park and wreck um and this is all the people View Park and recck facilities in Dayton so 72% said good um 18% said excellent I think some of the notes in here that I wanted to touch base are um so 91% in total between um good um excellent d uh good which is roughly um 11% higher than most of the greater metro area so awes um 90% typically means that you have a good current mix of Park and recreational facilities and ities in the city there you go amenities that meet the needs of your household 90% again great um that's 9% higher than the greater metro area as well fantastic to see those answers and again I think it's something that we need to make sure we keep up on too the high percentages are really fantastic but now it sets a benchmark for us that people are expecting that we're at today where are we going to be at in the next time we do another survey um and it's that's a good Benchmark for us overall have we ever done a survey like this before no didn't think so this is a one data point kind of thing so it is difficult to portray where are we at today where are we going to be in the future where were we even last year or five years ago um I think it's important that we do these surveys um from City staff's perspective because then we can get a gauge of where are we where are we trending to where do we need to pick up at and um where can we you know change to be able to adjust and amend based on what our residents are saying so so is there a plan for like a Cadence of how yep so plan will be at least well right away the plan would be get more data points so we'll probably wait two to three years somewhere in there between the next time we do another one but it really depends on how much we grow if we continue to grow as much as we have been we'll probably do them every two to three years or at least recommend for Council to do them every two to three years just because then you get a good grasp of where things are changing to um as more people move into town they typically are coming from inner city communities and they expect a lot of services they want a lot more things and that means that we need to keep up on what those things are cuz the 90% of amenities meet your family household is fantastic for now but as people move in from you know they're moving out here from even Maple Grove we get a lot of Plymouth we get a lot of Golden Valley New Hope they have full amenities and parks for their community and we don't have that here so you may see a change from 90% down um doesn't mean it's a bad thing it just means we need to figure out what our right mix is as the city grows will the number increase from 400 to a large it'll always stay 400 mhm that's sweet spot huh that's the statistical Sweet Spot um we can do more like I mentioned I think it's like think you to do a th000 or something to get the plus or minus 4% instead of plus or minus 5% so is it really worth it that much more I can't remember what the dollar amount was I think this survey was like $118,000 something like that and the next survey up was you know probably two and a half 30,000 35,000 is it worth the extra money to be able to get a 1% change probably not doesn't mean you can't do it right but no I'm just curious no it's a good question because those are again my math brain doesn't work stats wise so I can't answer the question um importance to you so um what we wanted to check out is how how important is Parks to your quality of life and how important is Parks to your value of your home um and so when you see varies and somewhat and at all is that's what it relates to is your Parks so this relates back to how how important is Parks to the quality of life your quality of life and your value of your home people said it is very important um which is a pretty good stagger and I was surprised to see that many people think it really does affect the value of their house um somewhat or vary is 80 88% and vary or somewhat for quality of life is again 83% so people do value parks and recreational um facilities in in Dayton overall all and I think that's something to be able to move forward with and say this is a very important thing to be on and how do we make it better in the future for the parks overall any questions on that item I was trying to find if I can find like a note here at all from referencing other or greater metro area cities of what they see I don't see anything here so far LC Stevens Park so we did want to see what people's thoughts are of LC Stevens park right now as we have that is our only Premiere park or really community park at all um again roughly um what's that 56% um think that it's at least good um or take that back good excellent or no I don't know what that one means no 57% wasn't it have you been the LC Stevens you and then of the ones that have been how do they rate it oh maybe there you go there you go that's why I'm like that doesn't make any sense those M those numbers don't make any sense yeah so 56% say if they've been there that's good or excellent and if they haven't been there then it's just a no I think what it means is that we need to get more people to LC Stevens park that's what I took out of it or at least staff took out of it is that we need to somehow get people to LC Stevens Park and getting them there is probably the most difficult thing right but that will come as we develop it I mean the reality is right now there's not much to do there I think I not that at the beginning yeah but once we have some Premier Park stuff like I'm on the email list for the oh gosh it's like Minnesota parents newsletter and it just sends a newsletter once a week at least to sure anyone who signs up and it's a lot of people that has stuff like 15 parks to check out this weekend and stuff so we could totally get on some lists like that once we're sure at that point I always accelerate it's too bad we had a year off from any kind of development down there but mhm yeah typically what always run into is budget constraints that's typically how it always runs to now it's just cuz we don't have any additional Levy dollars going towards any of the parks um we end up just having a funding shortage of how what can we afford and the fact that Parks have doubled in price over the last four years probably it doesn't help either so right those are all considered um not mus haves even though depending on what your view is it's probably a must have so Elm Creek Park Reserve so this one it makes a little more sense to me so have you visited the park in the past year is 39% and of those 39% was it a major factor for you moving to Dayton um and mostly was major or minor was about 55% said it's a major or minor decision or factor that I moved to Dayton and 45% said nope not a factor at all of why I moved to Dayton whatsoever I think this was a bit surprising for US based on the size of Elm Creek Park Reserve as it is by far the largest park in Dayton and not owned by Dayton at all but yeah I think we were a little surprised to see that numbers but too yeah I'm surprised with the visited yes only 39% have actually visited the park of the 400 people surveyed yeah it's that a third of them so like our family's there weekly yeah well it almost makes you wonder those numbers tend to align with the LC Stevens numbers yep which show goes to show you that even though this is obviously important to everyone in this room the parks are that there's plenty of people that just don't utilize the parks right kind of goes back to our conversation last week where or last month where I got the sheet here I already read about the um horseback riding in Snowville Trails you know like M yeah that might be really clearly it is important to certain people but when you're thinking about the greater number there's a lot of things that a lot of people just don't either just don't care about or they're not you know what I mean it's just it's it's fascinating because to me like that would be I would on the left I'd probably say was like I was thinking maybe 80% and on the right is maybe you know closer to 50 or more just because it's a big selling point for our family but obviously not for everyone else's that's why I'm here you know yeah exactly and and clearly it's just not that important to other people so it just makes you think you know when you're looking at budgets and different things it makes you think that maybe none of this is as important as we all think it is I mean seriously a big thing that we look at too at least From staff's perspective and I know from C's perspective is how do we connect to home Creek Park that's always what we're doing with Trails is how do we connect Creek Park and based on this survey response I don't know if that's the biggest thing we should be connecting to I'm not staff is still trying to figure out exactly what the next steps are and I think probid provide council with information but it's we're always trying to link to El Creek Park I know some of the trails that got moved up from you guys with okay we need to progi tize this side and this side and this side and those segments that are missing to get us to connect tell Creek Park I don't know if there is much needed as much anymore I not say they're not needed cuz they all are but we need to prioritize those or not I that's some of the big things that Parks Commission needs to look at overall and you probably have 40% of the population that doesn't have I I would use the term maybe safe walking or biking access to th Park District because you've got a huge chunk of neighborhoods that can't just get there you have to let everyone up in the car and go you can't just jump on a path and bike through it family so that I'm not saying that's why it's 61% I'm saying that it probably could be that's what I was going to say too is most of the time you go to the parks that you can get to safely so it could could be vice versa too right and so it can be partly that I mean at least that's how I was when I had small kids I didn't want to pack them up yeah it was where can I get safely by So currently again currently developments that can't get there or anything on the north um side of town and the River Hills Cypress Cove I own Gardens development Diamond View Estates Riverwalk brayburn Trails technically can't make it to the park right now currently on a safe um route that's on a road the only one that can is Sundance and they technically aren't connected to Sundance um with the development that you guys have seen or um council's for sure seen is DCM Farms I believe you guys saw that one is a preliminary concept that will connect up rurn trails and that whole development there so that's roughly 400ish homes total somewhere right around there so that'll be a significant portion as well but um yeah currently those developments don't have territorial Trails another one doesn't have a um obviously there's lots of one-off homes that have been here for a long long time that has no no access but how is DC Farms going to get to the park so DCM Farms will connect down to Sundance screen so that'll be the connection point from brayburn Trails they'll connect through a trail down DCM Farms um to 113 yeah 114 sorry technically 114th Avenue will turn into 113th whatever that goes to Sundance um entertainment currently sure and then they'll connect up into Sundance and then be able to cross over at the elm uh Rush Creek Parkway Fernbrook connection point and there's nothing we can do to secure that a little bit better than playing Frogger across the road especially in mornings like today where it's really dangerous I would love to say the answer is yes we most certainly can but unfortunately that's not our road so um we do have conversations frequently with head ofman County about making a better connection point there um longterm um trying to think of which ones first really we're going to really push on the county or staff has really been pushed on the county with the help of the council to push on that connection Point uh the long-term plan I think it's 2027 we're looking at trying to push the county to do some sort of roundabout there or some sort of ulterior motive of um traffic control to be able to get people across to that location um there's also a legacy project going on with RSE Park District that'll be just south technically it be on the north side of mle Grove just south of Dayton but will connect up through um there is a Grove of trees in the middle of Sundance um greens development that's just next to Sundance Woods that has a trail through it and that will connect up into Maple Grove and then there is a underpass that'll be at the bottom of the hill so if you were to go past that intersection headed south on Fernbrook towards M Grove go down and hit a bridge and then come back up that'll be raised up the bridge will be raised up as well and an underpass will be made there to be able to connect into the Three Rivers Park District that's a legacy project currently by Rivers Park District that is being completed with the whole py development currently mle Grove um they're negotiating I believe the last little bits of it it's pled in 26 or 27 CU there is a ton of trees that have been removed yes so that's what that's for so that's what that's for so the the bridge is going to get re- replaced at the same time so that whole roadway will be shut down totally for a certain amount of time because the whole bridge will be replaced the whole Road will be raised up and then the underpass will be put in by through Park District to be able to connect up safely so that'll be your safe connection but I don't know which one's going to be first The Rush Creek Parkway intersection which we will push on the county for or the th part district one which is already planned so yes and no how we digress I am curious how this might change over the next yes survey just I mean if I had to Hazard a guess I would assume Dayton is probably getting younger in uh average age as more young families move in and so yeah I don't know I'm I'm just curious to see what how that'll change yeah I think I think we all are it's just like I said one data Point's really good to use for information but two data points is so much better for projections and where we had it so any more questions on I'm Creek Parker there property tax increase so this one was specifically for Parks so we've asked residents would you support a property tax increase for whatever those items are um was not set at a certain dollar amount but was set at basically amount of whatever dollar amount it is would you like to put it in there um the highest ones were Veterans Memorial picnic shelters additional pedestrian and bicycle Crossings a dock and a fishing pier and a construction of a large community park with athletic fields and playgrounds um those received at least a 79% rating or higher in support um an offleash dog park construction of a splash pad and a Bandshell for concerts got at least 66% and then anything below that was the snowmobile trail snowmobiling Trails horseback riding trails construction of an indoor outdoor sports complex which is the lowest one and then pickle courts that's fascinating because our last meeting uh we were approached by the cdaa for new sports complex and we approached about swimmobile trails and horseback trails and our whole point was that we didn't necessarily think we should be putting more funds towards those things they don't necessarily benefit everyone and yet all three of those were the ones that were the most opposed correct um the indoor outdoor sports complex so that one includes an indoor Fieldhouse or a dome with grass and artificial turf that's not listed up there but that was what the actual question was was right and so that's different than it is that's why we listed them different than a large community park with ball field so that'd be more outdoor play like soccer fields lacrosse baseball saw different than the CDA right yes and the CDA A1 likely is probably the indoor Fields with a dome or actual Fieldhouse facility typically for like a basketball or baseball facilities in the indoors with um artificial turf athletic fields so the full question was that yeah no and that makes sense cuz like with the fields we have now with CDA we talked about like we have fields that they don't want to use right now because they're not at their level and that's where we keep going back and forth right is they're wanting you know the goal is to for us to go out and buy land and have a new facility for them but we already have facilities that aren't being used that you know so maybe there's a we have a grass INF field at at some of these local Fields whatever it may be CU you'd love to see all the stuff get used that's already here right that would be the goal that would be the goal right instead of because of you know when Matt bring up the cost of land whether it's 2030 2040 My Head Start spinning it's like okay how much is it going to cost if we just add grass to the infield over there and then you guys can just it's up to your standards now you know like trying to find some sort of a middle ground because it's just to do some of these things as you can see how people have voted or um how they were surveyed it's just too it's not doesn't seem like there's an overwhelming response to this is what everyone wants you got yeah I I would agree I think these are great items for the park commission to take and be able to utilize as okay here's what we need to do next here's what we should focus on here's what we should add um specifically items there's some specific items like picnic shelters and a splash pad um then there's also bigger items like the large community park and and or docks which are smaller items again that we can probably note them cost efficient pretty cost efficient we can add a Docker a fishing pier somewhere maybe that's Diamond Lake maybe that's um uh Mississippi River I'm not sure I think it's pretty shallow right there in front of um LC Stevens park there but maybe we can get something out there I'm not sure um do fly fishing lessons out there you could do fly fishing lessons out there yeah I did say somebody Diamond would have to be a long one it's pretty shallow for a long ways correct I know there's a small dog there obviously when the DNR puts there yeah but that's not really designed I don't think for fishing you can fish off of it don't get me wrong but um it's diving for a dog just saying from a fishing perspective Marty would there be a better fish population in Diamond Lake or in the river is it both not just not a great places to go fishing from what I understand the river's better than than Diamond Lake okay Diamond Lake was stoed by the DNR DNR was stoed by the DNR di was stoed by the DNR for a little while um but they haven't stocked here in many many years um so from what I understand and um there's a lot more species in the river um and they um that's where the majority of fish are unless we can get into something with DNR where they would restock that uh Diamond Lake um that would be another option there used to be a brooding Pond for Walley in the 80 and then they would clear it out yep yeah and I think that um was see the lake up there by the property dub Lake Dubay Lake was a stock um Lake as well by the DN for some time as well okay okay so I have a different kind of question um as I'm looking at it and we have our like we have a little bit different chart it's yes so it's just that it's either if you support it whether that's strong support or just support it's all added into support otherwise you're opposing y I get that part my question is this is all about a tax increase so does that mean that this would be something that would end up being written up at election time and people are then voting on it or so do you get do you understand my question I'm just I'm just trying to understand the whole process because I'm what I'm wondering is I mean the reality is your lowest thing of support is 60 to 30 38 that is still a majority that are going to so like when we look at this chart and we're saying oh nobody wants indoor outdoor when you really look at it in your two basis is the majority is still saying yes and so we need to keep that in mind I still think we need to prioritize by this but overall if everything is still in support everything on this list has more than half of a majority support then it tells me the city overall wants more and I'm just curious um what are those next steps is it a vote and if so when it does go to the polls what constitutes if you go forward with it or not is it a 5050 is it majority do you know what I'm trying to ask I'm just trying understand the whole thing so that I know yep so in totalis yeah so the the question is a good question um in total if you can if you can um get donations have other funding sources right now currently we're using Park dedication dollars Trail dedication dollars if you can do those things without having um to go to a referendum is what your question is you don't it is not required that you offer ref render for any of these items it's not required however it is required if you're going to use a bonding to do any of these items so for example you can utilize let's do the indoor outdoor sports complex that's going to be a large dollar amount yeah let's talk it's probably $10 million for the land the facilities all said and done everything and it might be even more than that it might be 15 or 20 I don't know the number um but we don't have the money just sitting around nor do I expect a donation from anybody to cover that cost so we'd have to go for bond for that and in order to go for a bond for a referendum for part Mar items you have to go to the voters um and you have to again get a 50% passing rate okay um they don't recommend you going out or from what Mr letherman had mentioned anything less than six 50 or 60% of the um case they recommend I think it's 50% maybe it was even 45 Something percentage wise he said I would not go out for anything less than this percentage and I think he said everything you have on this list is that percentage point so you can go for any one of these for referendum and I would have a strong support from all the the research that he's done that said you'd probably pass any one of these um items on a park referendum if you were looking for specifics based on what I'm receiving from this information um I think they did one he did one most recently I think in Apple Valley it took him about two years to try to get all the information out of the public um try to get information out of you know staff what are they're looking for exactly because it has to be exactly what we're getting so it's um and apple value went all for like a $80 million referendum Bond um and they had like a 45 or 50% chance of of support for what they were doing based on all of their survey work and they and it did pass um it didn't pass at 50% it was less than that because typically they you'll get there and there'll be a dollar amount associated with it and would you support this much dollar amount and then it's goes down as soon as people know how much it costs your house and it's like o well I don't know if I can do that MH all support of property tax increase for whatever you want just depends on how much it is right overall that's how the process works so not required so thank you you're not required to go offer any one of these items but if you are going to bond for them then it is required for a referendum right Zack there's nothing that stops Council from just increasing taxes so the council can they wanted to do yep so Council can increase tax levy for example start building up a balance let's say we want to start putting away $500,000 a year towards these items um Council can Levy for that every single year without a referendum without a voter um feed feedback we obviously probably want some resident feedback on that but again doesn't mean it's required um and then be able to stockpile some money to be able to do it if we do it with cash or essentially pre- Lev dollars then it does not need to go off for a vote and it could just happen Okay thank you for explaining the process yes it is a little confusing because I watched I watched the city council meeting with this but he didn't fully explain that portion of it either and I just wasn't curi I was just curious how the referendums worked yep so only if you're going off for Bond do you have to do a referendum if you Levy for dollars in the previously and then collect them over time you can then spend them on whatever you'd like uh in the future for again priorities hopefully we' toen the top down but doesn't mean we have to all right thank you for explaining no problem any other questions on this slide this this is a good one next one I think is about the dollars so they said okay those property taxes increases that you wanted to save for Parker improvements how much would you increase your percentage by month to be able to fund those Park improvements again this is by month so if $6 was on the screen it's actually 6 * 12 which is 72 um dollars a year so I think there was a comment I was trying to remember what what the average was there's a and again I don't do stats well so I think it's okay y so it says that they would on average roughly a .7 per month um property tax increase or $86 a year specific for Park improvements right now that is actually quite a bit more than you probably think it is um I don't remember off the top of my head um but for referendum I don't even want to spit ball a number because I don't remember that's out of my head but I think it's roughly currently if you were to do $30 a year over 20 years it's roughly $20 million total for the city so if you had an increase of 30 bucks um for each individual's house on the average house so that's a $575,000 home that's the average house value in Dayton currently 30 bucks a year for 20 years is roughly $20 million for the city so it is a healthy amount so if you think of $86 total a year that's a healthy amount of dollars per Park improvements that the city is willing to or the residents should say are saying that they' be accepting yeah um of any questions on this one I wish there was a way to know too with I mean cuz we keep saying things are going to get more and more expensive the longer we wait to do them and it's like are they okay if we were to just say all right let's do all of it right now and get it done take that back take that back I think it's I think I misquoted I think it was $30 a month I'm going to get back to you guys I'll comment month it looks like yeah that was a park Improvement one way over there I'm going to have to go back and read my math because I feel like $30 a year is not enough for 20 million bucks for 20 years that is not enough trying to redo my math in my head I feel like I misspoke on that I want to apologize late yeah well it's late and also I'm trying to remember the numbers in my head of what it actually figures out to be so I'm going to say that what I just said was wrong so cuz right now we're saying we don't have the money to do these sorts of things so we'd either need to save up over time and then they will cost more because of inflation or we put it to a vote for to bond and then that's correct we could get things done okay that is correct yeah we when if we did a bond we'd have to have a specific amount of what we're doing specifically for this project we want to basically have the whole thing architect out and what we want to have and how much it's going to cost roughly engineers's estimate um and then go for a vote and then it would cost you this much money per month on an average house could we do multiple items in a bond you could you'd have to have individual questions for each individual item so let's say you wanted to do four of I'm going to go back to the previous slide here just for a second you want to do four of those individual items and it would be x amount of dollars per item also knowing that we can get some of them done through other funding that's correct but if we wanted to do the splash pad Community Park you know the biget items you could do those individually if you asked to referent question again you have you have individual refer questions for each individual thing correct you'd make you want to make sure that you don't lay it out where people want a Splash Pad but a large community park no where we put in the splash pad right so now you got to make sure you got a spot to put it basically it's the question yeah go anything else other questions on that I'll get back to on how much that means I just think it's great like when you look at what the people have asked for like you could literally do with LC Stevens we've talked about a lot of these things if that's where the you know rather than going out and trying to acquire new land we can put in the large community park slash dock slash you know hit three or four of those things all LC Stevens with what we already have there rather than trying to go out and raise funding for you know more land or trying to find land if trying find where the land is I mean that's yeah you know just hearing Matt talk about future land every time like man why don't we maximize what we already have I feel like at LC Stevens like with what Zach showed truly we could hit three or four of those things all at LC Stevens and say hey this is the future of Dayton this is the place with a five push yeah yeah just put incorporate all those things at LC Stevens and mhm yeah the large community park did include athletic fields and playgrounds so um we wouldn't be able to put the large not saying that people don't want L Stevens but they'd want to have the athletic fields to go with it what doesn't mean that it's not one athletic fil the other I don't know what that would tail out to be like everyone wants soccer everyone wants baseball everyone wants LaCrosse or whatever they are um but just with Athletic Field would be what they'd be looking for okay thank you MH and I will get back to you guys all on how much dollars that actually means on average so that you know what that actually means thank you yeah um date and Heritage days so what we wanted to do is provide a pulse of where we're at so date and Heritage days has been around for a long time it is not a city facility and not a city-run event however we wanted to figure out where are we at for our second event which is Holly day that we've kind of established as our big event that we run for the as a city where are we at compared to that so date and Heritage day has been running for a long long time we wanted to figure out how people view herit um Heritage days and again it's been around for a long time so how do people people know about it have they attended it so on and so forth so we ask the question is did you attend or not attend and of the ones that have attended how do you feel um so we had 66% that said it was at least good um good or excellent of of an event again this is not run by the city of Dayton um and then 31% of it has never have never attended Dayton Heritage days and what that was to try to get a benchmark for us was how are we doing on Holly Dayton Holly Dayton is run for one year um event um and so it's a good indicator of where we're at fa to Tech my it's interesting that the not ofender haven't gone or haven't went to the park they're all in that same kind of bracket between 30 and 40s High 40s yep I would agree I wonder how that correlates with a specific age group in that City I don't know that information again would know it but it's a good good good comment yeah Holly Dayton has seen again we're at about a 44% um at least good rating and then 50% 54% have not attended the event at all again good Benchmark event that's been around a long time versus where we're at a one-year event again plan again planning on that event again this year I think that's December 5th Thursday December 5th um will be Holly Dayton this year so that's the plan FY for everybody it is on the calendar as well and we will start advertising forward here pretty quickly since it is a month out um but hopefully we can get that not attended listed down a little bit but did you say the fth yeah yeah December yes December 5th that is correct I wanted to make sure I got the day right yep um so this was um based on um City staff's rating or what they felt City staff um how they felt they did would they approve or strongly approve their rating um again very highly rated 91% said City staff is um rated to approve or not approve or strongly approve and I'm try to figure out what that exactly means nice work guys yes that is great a job that's the job performance do they approve or do they approve disapprove or strongly approve the job performance of City staff um that's over 11:1 ratio favorable to unfavorable based on which is much higher than the metropolitan area average which I think is owed to staff um not not me at all but City staff that sees at people every day because I don't see a lot of people sitting in in the office here so City Hall contact again I wanted to put this in there because people do have contact with City Hall we do talk to quite a few people as you can see we have um of the four of the 400 we asked yes they've had contact in the last year so it's almost 50% of the 400 people have contacted City Hall and what are their service evaluations of positive or negative um that could be also Marty's staff as well as possibly police not everyone always looks at City Hall as just being this building overall they also see it as being the overall city services so um I think it's more or less I'm a good old to staff again that were at least 80 to 90% um viewed favorably or had a positive experience as well that's again a good Benchmark for us we want to keep that increasing um we did ask people what their principal source of information I thought this was very applicable to the Parks Commission knowing that you're now part of recreation um and how do people get their information from the city um most of it comes from the newsletter which we are still doing by monthly I know there was discussions a few years ago or at least a year or so ago the we even continue the newsletter are people reading this thing we put a lot of time and effort into it it takes us a month to put it together um we spend a lot of time of um Kelsey who works in public works she does all of the editing for it she puts all the Articles together she spends a lot of time on this thing and people do read it though which is fantastic to hear and we do hear but people don't get it so I'm unsure if you don't get the newsletter and you hear my thing here in the park please reach out to us um we do our utility billing and then we also do it based off of GIS metan County so we try to hit every address if we don't it could be something wrong with the Northwest Northeast could be something just a simple address fix that we can do and make sure we get everybody but that should go everybody that does utility billing and overall lives in the city of Dayton even if you have an oio or a Maple Grove ZIP code it still goes to you City website and Facebook are the other two that were very very high is there an e newsletter for the there's not an e newsletter there's one that goes out right around the time of your utility bill so if you don't get a utility bill it's every other month on the odd months um if you do get a utility bill it typically comes right around the same time you'll get your utility bill from the city of Dayton if you don't want to receive on let me know and what is their preferred source of information so we asked them this is all you get it what would you prefer to have and what they broke it down to is based on the hard copy and based on the social media or the E copy how do you feel um roughly I think it's about 50/50 if we add in the newsletter because that is a hard copy item but the city website social media and E newsletter are all um based on that e review and that seems to be more what people are geared to these days is just I out on my fingertips I want to be able to touch a button and get it and don't to do anything for it sure versus more or less I have to go search for the information like they would on the local newspaper or the newsletter that has to wait and come up to that I love the newsletter I think it's great I don't know I like it and I would love an e e newsletter version it's literally the only news I still get paper and it it's part of what I find Charming about the city like it seriously like that's why we live here is because I feel like it makes me feel like I'm part of theity and the kids read it with they look through and see what's up we Mark calendar and different it's kind of that old you know cuz we don't we get the rest of our news and stuff all digitally but it's like that for me is at least my tie to some form of a newspaper and maybe that's why people like it cuz we're still that old we're still that old here Dayton I guess that's and and the ink doesn't come off like on the star trip so it's it's it not not but it was good to know fantastic um newsletter overall so then we asked specifically based on the responses that we had how does the newsletter view to you do you read it 76% they at least regularly read the newsletter that comes out and how do they like the content 93% so they like the content that comes out the format that it comes out in and we have been playing around with that a little bit lately I know Kelsey's been doing a little bit of work on the backside to try to figure out if she can make it easier to read make it more fun make it more vibrant just something different so that people catches their eye but overall people do enjoy the content that's on there and also regularly read it so if you do have something that you want to see on the newsletter from The Parks Commission I think it's great that we get that on the newslet um is there an email that could go out to people on the different commissions and stuff just like giving us a heads up when yep you would need that kind of stuff yeah most certainly can yeah again we'd rather add a we can add a page to it that's not a big deal for us to add a page you know but if Park commission wants to put something out there or talk about contact this contact that what do you want for this what are you thinking for this thing let's get involved with the community overall and see how we can use that newsletter if it's going to be so widely read let's utilize it to our advantage for sure so City website was the other one we talked about we wanted to see how people are viewing that um we did ask if you have internet access at your house I do know that's an issue with some folks in town still if they don't have access they typically have some sort of cellular or satellite one but 5% still said they have no internet at their house again I'm I'm going to presume here that this probably the older generation but also could be the landline folks could be wrong though and then if they did have internet access did they view the city's website and 71% said they did so that is fantastic to see as well and then also what we asked we the city website do you of the people that use it and have used it do you view it as excellent good or only fair and roughly 96% or 92% um ease of navigating and the content is good on there we areb that um From staff's perspective we do get a lot of questions from people that call and go how do I find this how do I find that um I feel like a lot of the people that do do the website if you know where you're going it's easy to navigate if you don't know where you're going it can be a bear and totally understood that way um City staff is looking at revising the website next year um with a company called revise to be able to make it easier and more friendly like you'd see at other communities so like a top five or six hitters that we see those would root and switch on the front page so at least you don't have to navigate to them make it a little easier to understand where can you do this where can you do that and then also make an actual search function that works so currently our search function Works to an extent but not great so maybe I just was listening to everything and not paying attention but what about the app that the city put together great question um I will say that we did push for the app quite a bit to try to get again more notifications so so it's that push notification versus that you have to go get the information I will say that we haven't probably put as much focus on the app as much as we need it to um so that's one of the goals next year for staff is to be able to utilize that app and if we're not going to utilize it we need to get rid of it yeah because we want it to be able to be a push asset not a you have to go retrieve the information item that was the goal of the app and was be able to try to get everything involved so we are getting the school district involved in that next year as well so I had a conversation with the communications director ctor with Noah hpin School District so they're going to start putting information out there related to school closings Trails school buses other things like that that they're going to try to work with we're going to try to get them integrated in the system overall do the same thing with Elk River and the same thing with oio as well um and then also just getting more people involved in the process um we want people to be able to utilize that as okay if you want to advertise for a garage sell you can do that on there it's technically the resident app um there's stuff on there to ask for put my garage sale up I have this for sale I want to do this um I have this going on adverti for your event whatever you have doing um is supposed to come from the residence and there's a spot on the app for that and so that's what we're going to try to push for next year but that's a great question because I will say I think it's just there's just so many things to do and trying to figure them all out is always it's the integration part that's difficult great not the actual getting them but how do you use them I think that's the last oh social media I think I think it's the last one use of social media I think people are starting to get away from that social media craze um regularly use social media 43% and then if they use social media and they've been on the city's Facebook page how do you rate it fairly well when they do go there 92% but we only see about 43% of the people actually utilizing Facebook or um going to the city's social media Pages we do have an Instagram page as well um not sure how well that's going I don't touch that one so I also don't touch the Facebook one either but any questions overall any of the slides I sent or talked about tonight you can always go back to them or any questions you have overall on the survey that did not get touched if you were to watch it oh this gives us great area of focus does I appreciate it the idea for the next survey would be to be able to get all the commissions involved with it with asking questions that are related to these questions so what we utilized was Mor Leatherman's kind of basic survey of Resident um didn't call it resident feedback it was resident relations I think is what he called it um and so basically utilized his base and then updated a few things here in there added a couple things just to get some baselines for it but um overall we want to get the commissions involved and the staff involved overall next year or next time we do this in the residence um before we go out and ask questions but this is a great starting point and and we will utilize it in the future for sure but I will stand for any other questions thank you for the feedback and the time I appreciate all that you did to go over it thank you yep you're welcome all right um Marty the email that you included in our packet today do you want to go through that or is that just for our own reviewing that's just for your own information okay thank you all right uh notices and announcements next Park commission meeting December 3D yep regular Tuesday evening cool Tuesday sounds good awesome uh Entertainer motion to adjourn I motions okay all in favor say hi hi posed all right close the meeting journ e e