All right, call to order. It is 317 2026 7:31. We are short one today. Is he coming in? >> Did you hear from >> I haven't heard from anyone. >> Okay. >> We're all but short one. Dave. >> Okay. >> Anderson in session. Call to order. Ever had a chance to look at the agenda today? >> Yes. >> Yes. Anybody have any uh adds or removes or do they do they like it? >> Approve agenda. >> Motion to approve. >> We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All oppose. Agenda passes. Consent agenda. Did you uh have any problems there? Anybody with the 17th of 26 and the minutes approval of March 6, 26 special meeting and EDA's treasury report on the consent agenda to Libby? And >> Mr. Chair, I should add I I did not have time to assemble the um EDA or the commercial property inquiries, but there's a paper copy on the DES. So that if that would be should be part of the consent agenda. Okay. Everybody got that? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Consent agenda. Motion to approve. >> A motion. Second. >> Oh, I'll second. >> I thought you were seconding. I was like, I don't think you can. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I I. >> All opposed. Motion passes. Open forum 7:35. John, do we have anybody online today? Do we have nobody in the audience? >> No. >> General business. >> Okay. Uh just got to make a note here. Okay. Uh first item 5A is damaged and abandoned utility boxes. There's uh nothing uh new on here for last couple of months. Uh sidewalks kind of the same thing. There's nothing new with that. kind of the intent is is that this spring the sidewalks will be replaced. We're not quite at spring yet. Uh let's see. Next is the railroad spur. Um I did hear back uh from TKDA that you know here here is the cost of the facil the facility study um that's been provided to Semstone. So at this time is the only customer that that I've found that is interested in the spur. Uh, King Solutions confirmed that they they would not participate in the cost. >> So, any questions on that? >> What was the cost? >> Um, I'm going to say between uh tw,000 for the feasibility study and then $15,000 to write a grant application roughly. Okay. Questions? No, >> I don't. Are So, they they've accepted the information and they're just processing now. >> Some stuff. Yes. >> Okay. >> Well, they have that. >> Yeah. >> Anybody questions? >> All right. >> Lead property. Go ahead. >> Uh, next we have Robinson Street. Uh no update with that. So um again just reminding everyone we had we had a close session in November to um settle on kind of an an asking price and no update since November. >> Just that one >> low sir. >> Yep. 40 foot wide lot. >> So basically no updates. Uh, not an old business. Um, feel like I'm missing a slide here. What is property? Probably I don't have a slide for that. Okay. Uh, with the lend property, it just uh get my bearings straight a little bit. Um, with the lend property, we we've had uh or I should say IEG has had a number of inquiries on it, but no offers on it. So most of those inquiries have come off of uh people seeing the sign. Um so I mean there is interest in it but it's more I think of I've got a really good idea but I I don't have money to do it. So I think for the lend property what what it's probably going to be is um you know I'm going to say matching potential um tenants with someone that can afford to build the project. So, it it'll probably be some time before we can uh we're going to be able to sell that, which is totally fine. >> Is the uh just related, there's a house that burnt down that's up the street. Does anyone know what the >> They plan on rebuilding it. >> Rebuilding. Yeah. Okay. >> A home, a single family home. >> Um probably multifamily. >> Okay. Any other questions about the lent Robin Street? >> Okay. Tax forfeiture. >> Yep. So, Robinson Street again, uh, November, we had a close session to set a price for it. I don't have any update since November. >> Dayton property tax forfeit property. That's our triangle, right? >> Yes. The triangle property. And, you know, I apolog Oh, there we go. Um, so the the uh on the dis is marketing material. So this just was posted on the market yesterday. Um, we've had uh for several years we've had calls on this property. So um I would suspect that we'll have an a written offer at some point in the near future. And when I say near, I don't know if that's weeks or if that's months. Um this is a much easier property to to market and sell. Um the property is zoned for uh general business. Uh was you know generally speaking is commercial or commercial use. Let's see. Um you know a lot of the interest is going to be industrial. So something to keep in mind as as when you get offering offers is what is the highest best use of this property? Is it industrial or is it commercial? And if it's commercial, you know, I'd like the EDA to think about what you would like to see there. And you had a list of like all the inquiries like over the years I guess different types of things it looked like in the minutes or on this sheet somewhere. >> I've read less, right? >> Yeah. So in in the >> I assume that's what that was. >> Yeah. So in the packet there's a staff report that has kind of what what are the permitted and conditional uses for that site. >> Oh, those are the per those weren't the interested. No. >> Okay. I miss the last interest that we have specific for for this property was for a truck wash. >> It's great if they want to spend 14 million on a truck wash, knock yourself out. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> So again, I I'm going to encourage the EDA to come up with a vision for this property and then hold on to that vision. So don't >> I believe we had this conversation. >> We've had it several times. >> So why are we having visions about a vision? It's still not clear to me because I've gotten mixed opinions or multiple opinions from the 88 from I'm going to say a clinic to manufacturing to a hotel to I mean kind of all over the place. >> None of those are industrial. Well, manufacturing is >> well, if we I mean, maybe it's as simple as to me when you look at like our charter and what we're trying to do from an economic development, build tax base, improve the, you know, overall job base in the city. It it really comes down to jobs, jobs, jobs. So as we evaluate I think particular buyers >> I think that's got to be close to the top of our priority is you know how many jobs is it going to create either onsite or in the area and that you know could be we've talked about you know mixed retail uh various different office you know I mean be great to have a Boston scientific office there I don't know that'll happened. But >> we lost him to uh Maple Grove. I know. >> I know. I was using as an example. >> You're rubbing it in, aren't you, dude? That's all right. >> You rubbed that in. >> But I I mean, to me, John, if you need direction, and maybe it's maybe we don't want to do it right now, but to me, I think we've kind of given it and it it seems like it's all about jobs. >> Mhm. >> And what are the things that would fit those and then we can evaluate as they come in. But did others disagree? >> No. >> I think that's right. >> Is that direction enough, John? >> Yep. >> Anybody want to change that opinion? >> No. >> Well, then let's run with that clarity. >> Is it And you said it's AIG has it listed now? >> I A. Yes. >> Okay. Have we had this officially transferred into the uh EDA? >> No. So, it needs to be transferred after it's platted. Um, so right now we're going through the plat process. That should go to the council in in April. Um, so the Henipin County recorded the deed in the city's name. That's um kind of the only way it could be done from my understanding. I don't know the the legalities of why that is, but um so once the city council approves the the plat then it would be and the plant would be recorded and the outlot would go to the EDA's name. Um the rest of the property, the storm water pond, the the rightway and all that would be stay in the cities. >> Sure. Takes a lot to get this thing transferred, doesn't it? >> Yes. >> Act of Congress or God, whichever one comes first. There's many steps. >> Any questions on this? >> I don't. I like this pack. It looks good. Uh, Zach 2 is on top of things, I would imagine. And he's he's aggressive. >> Has he has he had any other tire kickers besides? >> Yes. >> Good. Does he get a list or do we get a list? >> Um, not specific list. So, the list that you're going to get is is uh the uh commercial inquiries that are in the EDA packet. Um, so again, you know, uh, everything that's colorcoded is kind of a repeat customer. If it's, um, if it's white or doesn't have a color, either it's a single inquiry or it's a small number of inquiries that doesn't match up with the color yet. Um, some of these are related to the triangle property that are not colored. This is all on the on the triangle. >> No, some of them. No, >> this is just inquiries in general. >> Two or three. >> It could be way back even, you know, back in the >> Yeah, this is just the month of February. >> Okay. What colors are EDA? I mean, new ones. Yellow. No, it it's um well, essentially everything for the the triangle property. It's it's going to be a non-coled bar. So, we've had two or three inquiries in in the month of February. Um not enough to have a relation where it gets matched with the color. >> The color just means it's the same people over and over >> asking a different question >> basically. because you see Greyco on there two or three times and the last one being probably their preliminary plat I guess if they submit it. >> Yep. >> So, interesting. I'll have to get this breakdown and color again from you because I'm uh I'm a little lost on it. Okay. >> We won't waste this council's time with that for me. All right. Any questions on that, guys? up to speed on it. Uh Balsam Street signage. Um so kind of where we're at with that, Rainree has verbally agreed to provide the city with a sign easement. Um kind of the next step is for the city to create an easement document for Rainree to sign. Um and then for us as the EDA, it's to budget for to build the sign. So the the survey cost is going to be between5 and $10,000. The sign itself is right around 100,000. Um 5 and 10,000 or 5 to 10,000. That's something that EDA can afford to do but not built put in the sign. We can budget for that for 2027. So any questions? >> The 5 to 10k that's that's for the documents for the easement. >> Yes. >> Okay. And we calculated like how many businesses we'd have to put in at what per month to kind of cover at least part of this? >> Um there's I I'm making an assumption there's the potential of about 30 businesses along Balsson. So that includes all the ringree businesses. Um so that roughly is about $300 is rough math. Uh $300 a month or so. Um I don't anticipate a lot of the businesses are going to want to advertise on there. So that's something we'll have to kind of talk about more. Um one of the things that we'll need is a signed policy of how do we figure out um who can advertise on the business. I from my understanding or based my interpretation that EDA's intent is that this is for Ballome businesses. Um I I don't know if the EDA if that's correct or incorrect or >> pretty much what I was thinking. >> Okay. But what I guess what's everyone's opinion on selling marketing time though? What if your business isn't on Balsam Lane, but you want to buy advertising time? >> It would certainly help pay for the project. >> Yeah, that's the key deal there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, >> I mean I think you might get some interest from others around town, but I the only thing I have against it is is that somehow I'm misleading in any way that people would think that that business is in the in that development that >> but I agree with you as far as revenue. It makes a hell of a lot of sense. >> I mean, you look at the businesses, I mean, Quick Trip, Curbside, um, and there's plenty of businesses in Dayton that do business in Dayton. >> Yeah. You another option and this is more for another meeting is to lease the sign to an advertising company and have them handle it. >> Yeah, I don't think we can do that. >> Yeah, that really >> we lose control at that point. >> We have one of those in chap and it doesn't work for ship just >> well something to think about selling advertising space pay for it. >> X amount of slots we figure out the math according to that and we we we make it specifically to Dayton businesses. I mean you being creative you and I don't remember exactly but you could divide the sign up into like businesses on ballome kind of static or so you know and then another section for purchased advertising >> a little flyer going to those 30 businesses wouldn't hurt to gauge some interest >> wouldn't take much >> agree >> a couple hours worth of u not even yeah a couple hours worth of writing an envelope out or come up with a picture of the sign blah blah blah. Here's what you get. >> Maybe instead of the clock and the temperature, you have that's where the advertising is or something. >> Well, the clock and the temperature is part of the digital display >> on there. So, >> yeah. >> City events is a win, too. >> Yes. >> I mean, the Easter egg hunt coming up, blah blah blah. >> Yeah, there could be a lot of things like that. >> I I do know that in the really big one over in Champ, there's a whole lot going on. There was city functions and and it gets a lot of press when you're sitting in traffic. Uh there's a lot of sitting in traffic >> just >> but that's that sign is huge. >> Mhm. >> And we got this is our only one ever in Dayton so far if it can be rolling marquee. >> I've never seen traffic back that far up from the Sinclair up. But it's just a matter of time. >> I can't >> we're getting there. >> I can't read it from here. But how big is the actual digital screen? uh 6 by8. >> Okay. So, that's pretty decent size. >> Yeah. >> It It'll modernize the area quite a bit. >> Now, in this process, are we taking down the other one? Is that the plan? >> Yeah. >> Tony's up with that. >> Yep. >> Okay. Well, that's that's a step in the forward direction with that easement that we have. >> So, next step, send the flyer. >> Figure out how you're paying for it would be the uh the key. >> Is that you writing the check? >> Yeah, sure. Can we get a flyer to the 30 businesses? >> Well, I I want to I want to get this in the budget before we go to the businesses and say that we're actually building this. >> Well, won't be in the budget till 27, right? >> Yeah. >> We don't have it. >> You don't want to generate interest beforehand. >> Why would you want to get it in the budget? I mean, >> for for 2027, >> right? You don't need it in the budget if all the businesses are going to pay for it. Um, yes, because the businesses are going to pay for it assumably over 10 years. We need the money. >> Oh, I see. Yeah, that's true. >> Yeah, >> you got to have a bridge. >> You got to have a bridge. >> Yeah. I mean, I think it's a great idea. It's good for the for the community. We just got to come up with the 100,000 to get the sign. If we sell the triangle property, we might have the money ahead of budget. >> Very true. >> Okay. >> Tell these guys to get on it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> It's in their better interest to make this thing move. >> I know. Jeez. They aren't they aren't dragging their feet. >> Okay. We all good with that? >> Going on to H. John. H. Sign ordinance updates. >> Sign ordinance. I I don't have anything news. Uh, you know, I looked at the I was missing from uh or gone from the last meeting. did look in the tape. So, kind of the direction that I got from the EDA was that the whole um the whole city code is difficult to read and and related to the sign code, it is also difficult. Um Jack, I think you suggested organizing it by zoning district. Um I I would agree, but there there are many different caveats. So, you know, you can have a property that has multiple zones. You can have just different uh scenarios where, you know, like using the vineyard property as example, we we don't allow commercial signs in the egg district unless you have an event center IEP, which which that's not part of the sign code. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, that one was to me just a gap. you know, we we put the IUP ordinance in place, not thinking about signs and then >> and then it comes down the road and, you know, people are going to have to have signs if they're going to have egg tourism businesses. And I mean, I it was fine with me. I'm I'm through it. I worked around it, but you know, it's uh I think it is something to consider. Yeah. you know, and whether you put it as part of the IUP or part of the sign ordinance, like it could be accomplished either way. >> Yeah. It's the end result that's important. It's just how do you get there is >> complex. That's why we pay you the big bucks. >> Yep. >> Anybody else got input on that? >> Um, question. Does the EDA want to keep this at on old business >> for the site ordinance? >> Yeah. Well, it's not it's not like it's hurting anything by taking space. It's always in front of us then. It >> Yes. But if if we're not doing anything with it, does it need to be in front of you? >> Is that So, are we going to do you are we planning to take any action on any of the comments or >> um I I don't know what the direction is. Well, and my direction on the sign ordinance, which was probably applies to a lot of the other ordinances, is that just the way it's laid out is I mean, there's like no headers. There's, you know, I mean, there's there's numbers, >> but it's difficult to read. And so maybe even just bolding the the title areas would help, but so that to me is very simple. I mean more extensive would be to organize it by by business zone area or whatever. Uh and then the sounds like the agra tourism thing Hayden recommended doing it through the IUP and if that's can happen then I'm fine with it >> with the formatting. Kind of the way it works is is the city council approves ordinances. We give it to um I can't think of the the name of the company and then they organize it um and do all the formatting and the bolding and underlining and all that. Um, they have a system that we don't have control over. >> Yeah, I know. >> Any >> I forget the name of the company, but it's >> Yeah. Any discussion on them updating their >> 1970s looking? >> That's what it is. 1970s >> and you can't search the damn thing. If you ever gone on to the ordinance thing onto their website >> and try to search something, forget it. It doesn't work. >> It's It's so antiquated. I mean, maybe that's the best thing is that I'd recommend the city council find somebody else to do it because they they're crappy. >> I agree. It's it's really difficult and it is. >> I mean, you try to go find something, search for it, it >> but a lot of cities use that same company, don't they? >> Yes. >> So, >> we we can look at other vendors, but it it's it needs to be a budgeted item. So, this would be at the council level versus the EDA. So, can we make that recommendation? >> I mean, may maybe making stuff hard to find a strategic u objective. >> You get what I mean? >> I can find the time between bees and birds. Maybe that might be a thing. Okay. >> So, keep keep it on the agenda is kind of where it >> Please. Okay. >> And then make a request to have it reviewed or >> Yep. Um, and I'll just add I I know St. Louis Park is going through this now. Um, I think they have they've spent about 200 I think it was 225,000 so far >> redoing their >> Yeah. >> Wow. If it has government on it, you increase your price by 10x. >> Yep. >> Money has no object, no value. seems to be the underlying theme, huh? All right, new business. Ready to move forward? >> Yes. Uh 6A is the concept plan for OpEdin. So, OpEdin is proposing a 172,000 square foot uh spec warehouse um warehouse distribution building. Um, this is located off of 121st Avenue, east of the mobile home park and north of MTL. This is MTL mobile home park invent and then French Lake is off in the corner here. Um, with the concept plan, it it's intent. It's a very high level plan. It doesn't have the same details that you would expect in a preliminary platter site plan. Um the intent is to uh get comments and recommendations from individual uh council and commissioners. Um so again, there's no action with this. Um the expectation is you can have one commission that says I like it, another commissioner that says I don't like it, and it's up to the developer to interpret what does that mean? And come back with a a formal site plan that has more detailed. Um the big question with this is uh the land is zoned for the mobile home park. Um in 2021 the city council reszone this property from industrial to mobile home park. At that time the owner of the mobile home park had planned to expand the park um with uh 65 homes. Uh that never took place and so now it is available for sale. Um and Oppedin is not in the mobile home park business or in the industrial business. Uh so the first question for the commission is what is the highest best use of this property? Is it for mobile homes or is it for industrial? >> Is this is this the property that the um the utility company was? >> Um no. So that is next door on the the property that's cleared out. This is all a wooded area >> behind it. Yeah. There's a lot of trees there. Okay. So, and they bailed on that, right? That the utility company. Yes. >> And this is not the former Aiden property either. >> Um, no. So, Optin formally uh had proposed a project on the we call it the DDL property off of D Parkway 117. So, this is a different project, similar building, >> but the same size as >> I mean, you probably know the answer, but I mean, we're really talking I mean, this proposal is warehouse versus either mobile homes, which I don't know how those are taxed >> as personal property. >> Okay. So, each lot is taxed just like >> each house. Yeah. >> Or trailer, right? It's a mobile. Yeah. that span between the northwest corner and uh mobile home park down right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right in the middle right at the point of the building there okay >> up a little bit but that right there that's heavily treated too looks a little bit >> wet the whole the whole property is wooded you know I'll say and it it's this doesn't look like this on the screen um there are many many I shouldn't say many there's probably about a half a dozen wetlands of various sizes there's There's also two ditches that run through the property. Um it's a complicated property to to build on. Um this there's a ditch that runs along the south. Um we believe or the developer believes this is under the control of the Army Corps of Engineers. Um it's likely the core of engineers will say that this ditch cannot be altered. Um so the building would uh and I I don't know how this will work. We we'll alter the the location of this ditch. It will probably be storm water that pipes around the building. Um, and then there's several wetlands in the middle of this building here and then along the parking lot. So, the way this is oriented is again, it's 172,000 ft building. Uh, there's passenger vehicle parking along the northeast side and then semi-trail parking in the back and then storm water ponds in the corners here. >> Okay. My two cents are I mean I think the best use is either high density. It' be a good spot for higher density housing andor the mobile home probably is best from a city perspective in terms of tax base. Then second best use would either be warehouse or manufacturing because if you look at this area I mean MTL's right behind it. Uh I mean it's it's more of an industrial area. So, you're not going to I don't think anyone's going to buy it for single family homes. Uh, so you're either looking at either high higher density kind of apartment type building. Uh, >> yeah. I think a direction here is you you >> Yeah, you threw your chip in the hat with mobile with what you said or is it going to be industrial? Personally, I think industrial makes more sense than than mobile homes. But I understand what you're saying. >> I'm just looking at from the city perspective. I mean, I'm assuming the tax base would be a bit better with a either a higher density. >> Not if it turns section 8. >> Well, that's the question. I mean, if it >> if you if you open up that Pandora's box, you're going to have start doing that. So, how about we just nod our head and say industrial at this point makes a lot more sense than opening up our box. But I understand you you want to say, >> yeah, I'm just trying to look at for the best tax approach for the for the city. That's all. So multifamily generally pays more than anything else. Uh I shouldn't say that commercial pays highest and then probably >> probably >> so best use might be commercial multifamily than an industrial >> but you won't get commercial. >> I think any of them would fit there. >> You won't get commercial there. >> No, I don't think so. I think you're going to either have like a multifamily or or industrial >> like manufacturing or warehouse. staff has to ask more direct question with that one because it's a wide openen question. It's there's a catch to 22 with >> to me. As long as there's enough screening between the building and and the mobile home park, I'd be fine with with putting that building up. >> Yeah, cuz they're they're not going to complain about it. They're they're in a temporary zone. >> And mobile home park doesn't want to do anything with it. So >> Well, then makes sense to me. >> I'm not against it. Yeah, >> I would I would agree. Um I mean the mobile home park isn't going to do anything with it. I don't see another mobile home park coming in to build one. >> Well, it changed ownership also, right? And the new owners have no interest in developing it. >> Yeah, that's how we got here. >> Correct. So, the the old owner in 2021, the mobile home park that went through and did through the resoning owned both of these properties. Since that time, they've sold the mobile home park to a different owner. Um, so I'm going to say the old owner that currently owns the wooded property. Um, they're not opposed to doing mobile home park, but essentially they're going to sell it to whoever wants to buy it. And right now that's opted in with an industrial project. >> Last one weighing in is on on you. What What do you like? >> I'm okay with the this concept. I think it it needs more work, you know, and which is what happens, right? But I I I'm not opposed to it. No. Okay. I I sort of mourn the loss of all those trees, but that's going to happen no matter who buys it. >> John, did did he have >> Yeah, I I I agree with the rest of the sentiment. >> Does that direction for staff? >> Yes. >> Okay. B, economic development, strategic plan, and goals. Where do you want to go with that? >> Uh, so this was Jack, I think you brought this up last month of wanting to talk about goals. Um, I wasn't quite sure what the direction uh is of the EDA, so I left it quite open. Do you want to talk about anything in the strate? >> I mean, I don't think we have time this meeting, but to me, it's probably a separate meeting if we want to review these. I I've reviewed it. There's only maybe one that's completely out of doesn't fit anymore, and that's the city center thing. >> The rest of them seem pretty reasonable to me. But do we need a meeting to review it? I mean, the >> I looked at the the study we did back in 2022. I mean, well done. >> It's a good study. >> I think it's directionally still very much the same, at least in my mind, >> but it's whether particularly new members, you know, feel differently like if we should be doing a different direction than what that study says. But I I seems very still on par, you know, or on task. So, you need a couple tweaks. >> Yeah. And that's just when do you want to do that? Do you want to have a separate meeting? You want to do it at another meeting or people can just write in what they think and >> everybody else okay with a couple tweaks because it it it's a really good concept for a plan. >> Yeah, I I agree about the city center piece and we've got that in several places that need to review that. Um, so I think that's a a minor change, but I think we need a we should review it at a meeting, and I guess that's not today. >> You guys you you probably have to go through this one a little. >> Well, actually, I was just going to say thanks because I I think ultimately that reading that study really helped me, you know. I mean, I I would say that it's probably something that should be put in front of every new member right away and, you know, I could probably have seek it out as well, but but no, actually, I I really appreciate I agree about the, you know, your your one change there, but ultimately I think it's certainly helped me. So, thank you for bringing it up. >> Yeah, it was it was a good good plan. I I didn't see much other we already had the structure. We were moving this way. Again, the tweaks are what changed it. >> I think at this point you're okay with that, too. >> I think it's just a great guidepost for us to look at every year and say, are we making progress toward this or >> So, let's put on the agenda for next week, next time, >> next month. >> So, are there specific questions? Because otherwise, what you're going to get is the same report. >> Specific questions >> uh related to the city center. So, um, if if you like, uh, >> we're I was just assuming we take it out unless there's been a decision to move it somewhere. >> I see. So, just taking the >> Well, I mean, there's no reason to have a goal to do anything around the city center if there's no city center. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> How about that's my point? >> I'm sorry. >> How about our goal is we take the city center out of >> Is that the direction? Well, until there is a a a until the council designates where a city center would be, I think it's ridiculous to have a goal. Okay. >> Relative to the city center that doesn't exist. >> Mhm. >> Let that be direction. Take it out. >> So, they take that one out for sure. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. >> Um, >> the others I would say, do we want to review them or not? I I mean, they seemed all pretty solid to me. I it to me it's more about taking time once a year preferably toward the beginning of the year January, February, March to look at this and say, "Do the things that we are thinking about doing this year fit with these goals. >> That's really all it is. >> I I don't fit." >> Yeah, it literally it it says the same thing. So really, we're being a dead horse. It's good. And I I it was a good draft concept. It was great to begin with. They did a good job. Unless somebody sees something that really sticks out like this this event center or this uh >> city center >> city center, >> let's roll with what we got. There's no reason to change it. >> Yeah. Well, I think to well the goals. Yes. >> Yeah. >> And I but I think to Jack's point, I think it's I mean there is it is updated. I mean you had things in there about what happened in 25 and so on. So I think it is something we should look at annually and say what else have we done and you know should we be doing something different >> like the numbers and stuff that are in the report could be updated to if we have them if new numbers. >> Um I guess so my thought is the 2022 strategic plan. You we can take item number five which is promote the growth of the city center located territorial road in Holly Lane. we would remove that from the strategic plan, but otherwise the 2022 strategic plan stays as it is. And then I'll provide an annual update in January of kind of how we're doing towards the other goals within the past year. >> Yeah. Yeah, I like that. >> That's good. Okay. >> We don't need to go in and write a complete new plan. No, I wouldn't do that. >> Okay. >> He's just saying how what progress toward it. Mhm. >> I mean, even like updating the numbers where I think the latest numbers on growth in that are 2021 or something. >> Yes. >> And so, you know, obviously we've got there probably are some new numbers. >> Uh, newer, but not not brand new. So, like populationwise, um, you know, the best numbers we have are from 2024. >> Yeah. Still three years more. And I mean, a lot's changed in Dayton in the last three years, for sure. Does that help you? >> Yes. Do you want to see this again or are you good till January? >> I don't see where January would be a problem. >> That'll give staff plenty of time to get stuff done and >> yeah, I think that makes sense. You kind of had the 2025 stuff in there already. So, >> okay. >> So, what is the step just for clarity? What is the step to remove five is just delete or >> Yes. Okay. So, got it. Yep. Make sense with everybody? Okay. Staff updates. Yan, what does happen? >> Okay. I've got a few of these. So, okay. First one. Um, in February 24th, EDAM or the Economic Development Association of Minnesota had a webinar which, uh, Chair Hutner attended. um and myself and Hayden. Um it was with a couple of uh develop commercial developers and the question is was really is what do developers need from cities? Um you know Tim I don't know if you had any opinions on on this but I've got on the slide just kind of my notes of what um kind of the highlights of it. So, you know, factors going into development and and the developers um I'm kind of combining the first and second item is uh you know really that the city needs vision for what a project or what a property should be developed into. So, I'm just going to use the triangle property as an example or the EDA has been clear that this is uh whatever is built is something that needs to generate jobs. And so if I'm proposing a truck wash, that's not a job creator. Um what developers need from cities is an understanding what the market demand is. And so if the city has a a desire for something, you know, grandiose project of of and the the market doesn't meet that um you know, developers are going to get frustrated with that. I think the the more uh experienced developers are going to understand that and just you know wait until the market catches up on it. Um what else? Uh developers need the city to be businessfriendly. So I think Tim you mentioned that a number of times. Um as well as having uh city officials be visible. So, uh, one of the developers mentioned that, you know, in going to, I think he used the example of like a chamber of commerce meeting of, you know, you see elected officials there and you make a a personal relationship and, you know, maybe there's a project, maybe there's not a current project, but when the project occurs, um, you have that built uh, relationship already. Um things that developers want cities to know is and understand is the time and effort it takes for a project to get approved. Um you know I'll use OPEDN as an example of they're you know they're putting in tens of thousands of dollars to apply for a project and there's no guarantee it's it's going to be approved. Um so just being knowledge having the city be knowledgeable of what that cost is to kind of take the chance and go through a development application. Um otherwise that the developers need the city to be accessible to be collaborative uh to focus on getting projects through. Um we had a kind of a a conversation on a master plan. So in in larger projects typically are and when I say larger projects that are hundreds of acres are are done with a master plan. So we tried doing this prior to Greyco on the west side of French Lake. Um this is before my time so I don't know the details of it. Um but the idea of a master plan is you have you know a master developer who then sells off portions of the project. And what the developers are saying is that master plans are just too big and complicated to implement and that um it's better to to kind of do smaller chunks at a time. It's more palatable to developers and to lenders. >> So they're talking about commercial though. >> Well, this so that the the two developers that spoke um they both also do residential. >> So >> Ryan's a pretty big commercial guy though. >> They are. Yes. very big. >> I suppose a master plan would be something like Arbor Lakes where >> Yes. Yes. That >> 500 acres and you got some huge developer that's got this master plan of what they're going to do. >> I mean, you'd have to have a massive size company to do anything like that. >> And I think part of it, you know, I'm just generally categorizing. So you have this say a 500 acre project and there's parts of it that the city and the public are going to be very excited about but you can't pay for that until say phase five >> or something like that. And but the selling points like Arbor Lakes the first projects that were built were the big box stores. So he had um you know the Best Buy and I can't remember movie theater and probably some other projects. Um that that's nothing that was nothing excit exciting. What was exciting was when Main Street was built, but that wasn't the first phase. >> Yeah. >> So, just trying to be patient with the developers and let you know the first projects that are going to be that are going to pay off be built first and that justifies the nicer things later on. >> Yeah. Well, the clock's against them. So, if they don't pull the trigger, someone else might without a tie up of that property or whatever their development was. There's always somebody looking to come in behind them because people like Ryan, when they start snooping around, other people pay attention. It was a great This was a great thing to be a part of. >> These guys, I mean, they're the guys making the decisions. >> Excellent. >> Um, but again, this stuff we all know as business guys. We know this. They just do it on a way different level. >> And when you think about Dayton, I mean, where the master plan would have made sense would have been the exit. Well, that ship sailed. So then the only other master plan I could see would be this city center thing we talked about. Whereas if you said, "Wait, we want a city center here." Then you go to a big developer and say, "We want a master plan for that city center area," which is going to include some of these things that the city really wants, but you know, the other things that that you decide to put in. But I to me, if you look at the city, where else would you even think about doing a like an Arbor Lakes kind of master plan type of thing? >> I don't know. A lot of people aren't really, you see the the history or the trend, a lot of people are doing stay-at-home shopping now. And a lot, this is one of the key points that the G talked about was are there really >> these massive things anymore, these store when you can simply get online, have them shipped to you. >> Well, there's a lot of vacant malls, >> right? >> Yeah. They drive through Arbor Lakes and try to find a place to park. >> Yeah, that one's >> There's still people going. Yeah. >> No, I think that certainly a good chunk of business has shifted to online, but not all of it. >> Yeah. I think Arbor Lakes is unique in that it's kind of an outdoor, you know, more boutiquey kind of versus, you know, like >> something to do instead of a destination >> like, you know, Raleale or what the one up north or north whatever it is. I mean, that one's pretty well shut down, isn't it? The one >> Northtown. >> Northtown. Yeah. >> Northtown. Yeah. How about the one in where's that place on 35W going north and left? Centerville used to be Central Shadow's up there. >> Big huge huge building. Totally empty now. >> I don't know. >> Oh, Maplewood's kind of empty, too, isn't it? Maplewood. >> Bolson equipment's up there. I don't disagree with what you're saying that there's way more online nowadays, but there's probably some to me like if you took an Arbor Lakes and miniaturized it where you have, you know, just some boutiquey type shops in a small area where it's not, you know, I don't know that we could ever support anything like that in this city. I mean, being so close, I mean, you're >> someday it'll happen, but none of us will be here. >> Well, that could be, too. >> Or or it's a different model, right? It's eventbased. Um, you know, you think about, you know, outdoor, >> you know, bar district or something. I'm just, >> you know, or entertainment district. >> And that'll change as we age out, >> right? these all these all these not Gen Xers are they shop from home they stay at home they work at home the way when they go out they're just walking the dog around where we actually go places >> I mean tell me I'm wrong there is a lot of that >> I would be speaking from a selfish perspective and you all know that but I mean one of the things Dayton sort of does have is this agurism you know we got the pumpkin thing we've got the Fisher Farms apple thing I guess and then my place that we're putting in >> car show. >> Car show. >> So I mean there >> to your business model there may be maybe there is something that you know is more unique and different as you think about as a city than trying to just say well we're going to be the same as Maple Grove with Harbor Lakes. You know >> demographics change that. >> And and with the more online buying all that kind of stuff maybe the model's different. I don't know if you watch the UPS and those they got these performers, FedEx, uh, all these shipping companies, they are gaining more and more, especially Amazon's. I mean, they're building more and more places that they ain't telling me they're shopping in in stores. They're telling me they're shopping online. >> I'm surprised we haven't been approached by a data center yet. >> We will. >> We need more power in the area first before we do that. >> I know. I'm just surprised. You hear it a lot around. So, >> and why? >> Uh, did that answer your update, John? >> Uh, >> well, I didn't have a question on there, but yeah, >> I had another I had a question. Um, well, two things really. So, where it says most important things for cities to know, this is kind of a wish list, >> right? I mean, >> uh, feedback from developers and businesses on things they would like to see different. >> Yeah. So, you know, uh, opin because that that's the current project. So, you know, this will be a spec building. We don't know what's going to be put in. Um, you know, does the EDA want to have any say in that? I mean, right now it's, you know, it's whatever would be permitted in an industrial. We talked about wanting jobs. >> Yeah. >> Um, this could be a warehouse with 10 jobs, you know, or it could be manufacturing with 200 jobs, >> right? >> Well, I think we want that information. And I don't know if we can have it >> um as a spec building. No, I mean it's essentially they they with a speculative building is the the developer builds the building and leases it to whoever wants to lease it to >> high go. >> Yeah. We don't know >> which we have a lot of those. >> Right. And and I guess you don't >> I don't know that in some some ways you don't want to tie their hands. I mean, you look at the the cubes now. That was not well orchestrated, I would say, because I don't think they wanted it to sit empty for that long. But at the end of the day, we got a much better use out of that building than was originally how it was originally marketed. >> Mhm. >> Um, you know, way more jobs, way more I mean, it's it's a positive to the community more than >> 500 trucks a day or whatever we're going to be going there. Um, though it doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing if they if they're doing a spec building. Um, of course we'd like to be in on the joke, you know, sooner rather than later on what what they're intending, but >> um I I don't know, you know, I'm not sure I have a good answer to that one, I guess, is all I'm saying. Um the other thing I wanted to ask about it it talks about above that um you know what do developers need from the city and city officials at public and business events. Is there is there another chamber of commerce besides the I94? >> Not that serves Dayton. >> That's wonder because I go to those meetings and I'd say rarely do do we have any conversation about about Dayton in particular. Mhm. >> Um you know so other like the EDAM it is I mean there are a lot of larger developers that attend this meeting and and or meetings. So it's essentially there's an annual conference um typically a occasional webinar. So, if if you'd like, I can continue to to provide the EDA with um when those are if if you'd like to attend um with and then the same thing with the conference that takes place in January. >> Tim, are you going to go again? >> Was it the last one? >> Uh the webinar. >> Oh, >> yeah. >> And this is located where next time? Well, the webinars are just on the internet. Conferences are typically typically in Minneapolis. >> I mean, I would go downtown. >> Uh, yes. The last one >> they'll protect you. >> I think the last one was either in No, I think the last one was in St. Louis Park, but it's typically >> close. >> Put us on the radar. Let's see where that lands us. >> Okay. >> Absolutely. >> Thanks. So, and I should just say if there is interest, this is something I need a budget for. So, it's one thing if we have one EDA member, if if the 70 are going, it's um more of a budgeted item. >> So, speak up if you want, throw them an email, text, smoke signals, whatever you want. >> I'll just put I'll just budget for it and then we can talk about it again when when we go through the budget. >> Okay. If you would go as city council member, right? Is that how? Okay. >> Scott, you know, >> I guess they've got a car. So, >> okay. >> I'll tell you that day. >> Whichever name. >> Okay. All right. I guess my only ask here and maybe I'm just a little confused of what collaborative spirit means, but you know I guess I guess the how you like what is I know that that sounds really good but I I don't understand what would make us better or more collaborative. >> Um you know >> sorry. >> Sure. So it it's I'm going to say it's probably more applicable to the city council than the EDA just because we don't have anyone that shows up for our meetings. Um, so with the EDA, it's easy when you have an applicant in front of you to to say, "Yes, how can I help you?" You know, how can I help your project get done? At the council level, when we have public hearings and we have residents that are in opposition to it, um, the question that the council needs to consider is is who does the council represent? Is it the land owner? Is it the neighbors? Is it the developer? And the answer is it's all the above. And so it's kind of taking in in a an advisement of what is the highest and best use of the property and how does a project um how can a project be changed that mitigates or lessens the nuisance factors that it might create and this happens frequently at council meetings um not so much at EDA. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions or Mm-m. >> Okay. Um then this is we've got number announcements. Um hopefully we don't have to worry about snow again, but just the snow plow policy is 2 in or more. Um there's no parking on the streets until it's plowed. Uh just when streets are plowed, it it there's a lot of different vary varying factors for how much snow we get. Uh what time of the day it is and is it blowing? you know, so you might only have an inch of snow, but it's drifting across the road and needs to peep out. Um the bridge, so uh Dayton is part of a four city coalition that is um lobby lobbying the legislature for a tier one and tier 2 EIS or environmental impact statement. Excuse me. This is a fairly lengthy and expensive process and it's sort of the first step of um studying where a bridge could be go would go. And so again, um we're asking the legislature for um and I'm not sure if we're asking for just a tier one or for both the tier one and tier two. So we'll find out in May May or June how that uh how that goes for this year. >> This will just be to try to figure out where to put one if you put one. Um, >> is it feasible? >> Yes. Is it feasible? What what's the impact on the environment? What's the impact on traffic? >> Um, does it relate so much to the cost of the bridge itself? So, that will be later. >> Notice how staff updates water well. >> It's got to be four times what the X was. >> Uh, wellhead water treatment plant update should be online. Uh, >> billion dollar better. And this is located out across the street from LC Stevens Park. Uh, Love Local. I don't have a whole lot of information on this. We did apply for a grant last year. Um, there's a little bit of a postponement on the county's part. U, but we do have a $30,000 grant that's intended for um building renovations in Oldtown. So, this is commercial businesses, not a lot there. So specifically, it's going to be I'm going to say the liquor store, the McNeel building, the Dayton Bar. So once I have more information from the county and we'll we'll uh have more information from the EDA then. >> Have they all applied for that? >> Uh no, no one has. So only in the city the city is kind of the pass through. So um we've applied for the grant. We've we've been approved. Um not done any of the paperwork for it yet. >> Okay. So, but Jack, I'll be reaching out to to you and uh >> Well, McNeel McNeel. >> Yeah, it's his building. So, >> yeah. >> I mean, I've told him what I thought needed to be done, but >> apparently we need sidewalk. >> Fix the sidewalk. >> Fix the sidewalk. Yeah. >> Think we can do that under 30 grand? Can we? >> Um sidewalk. It It's for the building, not the sidewalk. >> Be facicious. >> Couple other grants that I'm looking at. uh also from Henipin County. One is uh what I have on here this is Henipin planning grant program. So this is to contract with a consultant to create a plan. And so one idea would be um for Oldtown. Another idea is for the city center, but if this EDA wants to take that out of the strategic plan, then we would apply for a grant for that. Um, I guess my question for the EDA is, are you supportive of applying for a grant for Oldtown? And this would be to come up with a more detailed study for how um I'm going to say either vacant or underutilized properties in Oldtown could be better used or better developed. >> Yes, I would say yes. >> Okay. Uh, let's see. So, there's another grant opportunity. um where I'm looking at the Balsam Gateway sign, there's a a high probability that this is not going to um be applicable to the grant program. Uh it's geared more towards uh commercial retail uh business centers that are walkable. So when I think of the Balsome, we have Rainree, but that's the only retail uh business along Balsam. So the other businesses along Bolson, you're not going to have walk up traffic >> is the Rainree Plaza owner. I mean he doesn't apply for this. The city has to >> apply to it >> and then essentially on his or their behalf, right? I mean if you were >> I mean it wouldn't be bad to update Rain Tree, but I mean I don't know if it's is it updatable or do you >> No. >> Bulldozer. I mean, almost looks like it's a tear down to me, but >> the sign you says may not be eligible. You don't know for sure. >> I I don't know for sure, but I I'm pretty sure you I can apply for it. I guess, you know, there's no harm in doing that, but I think there's a slim chance we would get it for the sign. >> Then we'd apply. You agree with that? >> There's a may if it ain't black and white, I'd kind of play. Okay. >> Then we're only 50,000 ready to go. Yep. >> Uh any questions? >> None. >> Okay. Uh again, uh the city has an app. If if anyone has that on your phones, it it's helpful in uh receiving information. >> The app does not >> I like this app. It's a great deal. >> Yeah. >> But it does not align with the website. It's either one's updated or the other one. The other one's updated, vice versa. Y >> I saw an RFP in there that was on one but not the other and the RFP link was not operational. So therefore there's nothing you can do with it. If I would I would say that we'd have to be more on top of if it's going to be on one, it should be on both. >> Yep. >> That's all. >> Yep. >> A great app though. Really it's fast. Bam. Send it >> instead of trying to find it through a website and hunt and search and you know who has time for that especially when they're texting and driving. You know, >> no one has time for that. >> They'll miss our sign. >> Steering trying to get on the road >> on the ice snowstorm, you know. >> Okay. Next announcement. >> Okay. Uh play plays at the activity center every Tuesday morning. Uh Dice dominoes the second fourth Wednesday afternoon. Uh we have embedded social worker that's a available to the public on the third Wednesday of the month. This is at the Dayton Police Department. Um this is to me pretty interesting. So uh Three Rivers Park District is partnering with a number of organizations uh to celebrate kind of what they're calling a sacred water shared future. Uh so 1926 um and I don't know who this was did a survey of um aquatic species in the Mississippi River and found three fish. Uh, so this is kind of a celebration of of I'm gonna say bringing life back to the Mississippi River over the last hundred years. So I I was not around in 1926, but um, you know, I've heard stories from the 60s of of you know, the Mississippi River that is where you threw anything you didn't want essentially. Um, so we've come a long way since then. Someone should have got some pictures of the swans this spring. I I should have taken some, but there were God, I bet you there were several hundred swans on the Mississippi River all along from Elk River Bridge down Oh, you live right there. You probably saw them all the time. >> Yeah, they seem to be doing really well. >> Yeah, I mean, they're everywhere. Crazy. >> Uh, yep. Leprechaun on the loose. So, this is this week at LC Stevens and Overlook. You can go out there and find gold coins and maybe find enough money to to build our sign. >> Is that what the rainbow >> plastic gold coin >> thing is? Uh I've not I've not been over there. So >> some kind of some kind of blow up looking gateway kind of a thing. I I thought, well, that's not where the Easter egg hunt is. I wonder what that was for. >> Yeah, this is for the leprechaun on the loose. >> Okay, that >> just follow the tracks. You'll find the gold coin. Yeah, >> you will now. >> You will now. >> Little short track there. >> Uh, lights out Minnesota. So, this was brought up in the last council meeting. There are 250 plus bird species that migrate through Minnesota uh during March and April. Uh, so the city's encouraging people to turn your lights out uh between I'm gonna say now and and April to just not let the birds migrate and not interfere um not let lights interfere with their migration pattern. >> Wow. Where'd you guys find the picture? >> Uh >> you can really get after it if you want to, huh? >> Yeah, I was going to say that was just last week that you guys >> That was just last week. >> Jam, what's council's uh position on this lights out thing? Have they moved to any type of formal on this? >> Yes. >> So, they're going to do a lights out. >> Yep. >> It's just >> encourage it. >> So, what? >> Encourage it. We're not shutting the power off. >> We're not shutting power off. We just >> will that does that include shutting all the city lights off as well? >> Um that are supposedly >> we have for >> parks, trails, side lights, street lights, >> city buildings, >> anything doesn't get turned off. Uh, so for example, internal lights in in the building. That's why we have blinds that are closed at the council chambers. >> No street lights. >> No street lights are going to stay on. >> I think that'd be kind of a safety thing, >> right? It's a balance. >> Okay. >> Bird sunglasses. >> Easter egg hunt will be Saturday, April 4th. that's here at Central Park at 9:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. >> Um, you know, the first slide that I had on uh for the EDA meeting had last year's event where I don't know there were hundreds of kids that attended. So, this is become very popular, >> very big, >> assuming there's no snow. >> It's not 400 below. >> Spring cleanup day will be May 2nd at Central Park. It does require that you have a valid driver's license that shows you are a Dayton resident. nothing for the businesses on this? >> Um, not I don't know. >> Um, I I don't believe so, but I I don't know for sure. >> I'll have to use your license. >> All right. >> Uh, Henipin County, >> Henipin County is sponsoring a swap it event. So, the next event will be Saturday, May 2nd. So, if you don't want to throw away your junk, you can trade it for somebody else's. Um, so May 2nd, this will be in Crystal. They have different uh different event locations. Uh, Mother's Day, uh, bouquet arrangements will be Saturday, May 9th at the activity center. So, uh, open house will be Wednesday, May 13th at 5:00. And I will, uh, send out a kind of probably just a meeting reminder if you would like it. Um, I guess a question for the EDA. I know. >> Do we want a table? Do we want to be represented in the thing? >> We did not in the past. We haven't yet, but we would we did attend. >> So, if we want to man the table and say this is what we do, how many hours >> two 5 to 7 on Wednesday the 5th. >> Yeah, that would be a good idea. >> So, we have a volunteer jack. >> What's the date? >> The 13th. >> 13th of May. Check your schedule. >> Would there be anyone else that would >> be there? But I think probably to get dunked in the dunk tank, not sit at a table. >> Who put the table at the dunk tank? >> Did you get You need a >> Did you get >> H? >> Did you get dunked? >> Oh, yeah. I would show up and do the table if like all the materials are prepared. I don't want to prepare all the materials. >> Yep. I just need to know what you what you all want. >> Well, I mean, I guess it would be all the stuff on the website that we have. >> Jack's going to want someone to sit with. >> Where is it located in? >> Uh public works. >> Yeah. I mean, if you're looking out if we need people there. >> He needs he needs a second on a table. Maybe we just sit at the table and talk about what the EDA does, but we'd need, you know, some pass outs, you know, even things like this. And >> I'll go with you if you want. >> Yeah, I'd do it. >> I mean, you know, it's only a couple hours, right? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> 5 to 7. >> Usually >> May 13th, >> that time of day, I'm by myself anyway. So, yeah, usually good turnout. Okay, I'll uh put >> we just need to pull together whatever materials we'd want to share with the public, I guess. >> Sure. >> I'll pull some stuff together. >> Okay. Citywide garage sale June the weekend on June 3rd and 6. So, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Uh date and car show. We have six dates between June and August. That will be at the Elsie Stevens Park. Adopt a park. Um we have a couple of parks have been adopted, but there's a list of parks that are available here. Um the expectation is that adopters would clean up the park or pick up litter once a month. Uh question flower pot sale. So in March, we're a little early for this. Um the questions that I have for the EDA is on cost. So last year we were uh selling sponsorships for $125 per pot. Um our cost last year was about $113. Uh the question is do you want to keep it at 125 otherwise the previous cost was 200. >> Scott, you can take the lead on this one. This is kind of your baby. What do you want to do with that? >> Well, the the object is to get them sold. So I say keep it at 100 and a quarter. We don't need to make money on them. >> I agree. I think they all got sold last year, right? >> One way or another. Yeah. >> Makes sense to everybody cuz I'm I'm okay with that. >> Mhm. >> Okay. We'll keep it the way it is. >> Okay. >> Dog treat stations. We have sponsorships available for $780. So, if you um this I can't remember how many stations there are. I want to say there's six or eight around town. >> Six of them. I think >> six. Um so again, this is you know buying dog treats, this is available. So for anyone that doesn't want to would like to donate but not $780. I have a $125 flower pot that's available. Election judges. Uh the city is looking for election judges for uh the primary in the uh the general election in August and November uh pays $16 to $20 an hour. More information can be found at the city's website. Elevate Henipin again just to push this. Um the Elevate Henipin has several programs that are available. Um this is geared towards small businesses and entrepreneurs who are trying to start a business. um in the packet. No, I didn't. Uh it's not included in the packet, but it was emailed separate. Uh was the annual 2025 annual report from Elevate Henipin. So, we did have three businesses that uh three Dayton businesses that participated. Um it's being agile consulting, MJU's Kitchen, and Radiant Journey Healthcare. So, this is not necessarily businesses that have a brickandmortar location in Dayton. It could be someone that lives in Dayton and has a business elsewhere in Henipin County. Um, other events, this is a list and it's a little bit cut off here, but events that Elevate Henipin is offering during the months of u March and June. So, it's quite a few here. Um, and a lot of it is just getting the word out to, uh, generally speaking, entrepreneurs who are trying to figure out, I've got an idea, I'm just needing money or I need help in figuring out marketing or how to manage the business from ideas stage to more of a business stage. Uh, Henipin County has a grant avail newly uh, created grant available. um is 3 to $10,000 to cover up to two months rent or mortgage payments for businesses that lost uh customers or employees during the uh uh I'm going to say the the ICE events for the month of January and February. So I I don't know if any that are in Dayton. This is probably more um specific to either the the Minneapolis or the closer suburbs, but still Dayton is is in Henipin County and qualifies for this. Um what is uh ju just a quick update. So March 6, I was at a a city county workshop uh for a vendor that's named Urban 3. um this is a company that visualizes um data. So in this case it's visualizing uh property valuation in kind of a 3D rendering. So uh the map at the left is Henipin County. Um and it has spikes in coloration for property values based on the I'm going to say the value per property. So the spikes that you see in the high spikes that you see in Minneapolis, these are uh condominium buildings, you know. So you think of at least I would always think of like the IDS center and some of the the larger skyscrapers that those are the properties that are generating all the money for Henipin County. They're not. It's apartment buildings. Um and you can't see here but this is the 94 corridor. Um there is another spike around the Rogers uh you know 94101 Brockton area. And you know, again, you can't see it here, but in the Rogers area, their spike is also an apartment building. It's not all the industrial buildings are along 101. So, um, as we work on the comprehensive plan, this is a tool that I I want to consider us using. Um, this image here is Lafayette, Louisiana, which has nothing to do with Dayton. Um, but kind of the same idea. This is a a 3D rendering of the cost for services. And so it's kind of the opposite of what is what is the cost of services per property and generally speaking and very generalizing you know you have the the black costs that are here that are in the positive for and I don't know what these uses are and then you have the negative cost and generally the negative costs are going to be uh single family homes that are you know probably consuming more services than they're what they're paying for um monthly update. So, this is a graphic of residential homes that are built um whether it's single family town homes and apartments going back to 2007. So, I'm going to try to pro provide an update to the commission each month. So, month of February, we had 20 home permits that were issued. Um that was a significant jump over January which I think we had 11. So um as you can see there there's a lot of variation. Ideally we're we're kind of looking for um I'm going to say a flatter uh bar graph versus having big es and flows. But uh we're in kind of a a hyper economy where we're going to have different jumps. But, you know, generally the last couple years it's been fairly I'm going to say roughly between 15 and 20 homes a month. Um, you know, since 2022, but you can see this where we had this gap here that was during CO and then we played catch-ups for quite a while. So, last year we had a reduction in home permits um by about 46%. um that was not kept not equal with our surrounding cities. So, which makes me feel good. So, although we had a dip in our number of homes built, that's probably specific to Dayton, not to the northwest suburbs. >> So, the other cities were worse is what you're saying. >> No, they were doing better than Dayton. >> So, um we have a a couple large projects that will be under construction this year. So, I think our permits are going to be better than they were last year. Um, in talking with residential developers, they're think just overall the economy is going to be similar to what it was last year. >> Any thought on why that was? Just curious. >> Um, I I think it was part of it was just the the lots that were available. Um, you know, we had one project Brayburn that had um was just getting started. Uh, so I think the first phase of Brayburn filled up fairly quickly and then there was a gap before the second phase was available. >> I guess two DCM farms is going to be >> yes >> coming online at least in terms of sales this year. So I think for DCM if if you drive past that every you know once a week it's it's going to change every time you look at it. Any questions? Um the front page of the March 2nd uh Filillmore County Journal was that Hayden Stencegard accepts position of Rushford city administrator. You notice I uh Hayden's not here. His last day was last Friday. Um kind of what our plan is is that we'll have a consultant planner that will take his place for a couple days a week and handle permits. Um and then eventually we'll post this position. >> Who's the consultant planner? >> Uh it's Landform Professional Services, but Grace Gerard is the uh the person that'll be staffing it. >> Payton was really good. I like Yes. >> Yep. I He is He is missed. >> Yeah, it's in these guys. Did you get one of these? >> No. >> No. I I mean, it's online. I mean, I have it in my email. All right. Announcements. EDNX meeting is uh April 21st. Before we uh bounce today, I want to make sure that everybody knows that we have been in communications with Ardan Hills. Garden Hills is an EDA that is trying to model their EDA after hours. They've approached me with this. Hey, what are you guys doing? I hear that uh a lot of things are happening. They want to see how we do things as a group as opposed to how they're not doing things over there. And they are not doing things over there. They're sitting on that big piece of property, 450 some acres, the old Arsenal. I believe it's called the TDK >> TCAP. Uh well, that that's the abbreviation for Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant, but otherwise it's called Rice Creek Commons. >> Okay. Kind of a big deal for them. They've also wanted uh was that Boston Scientific over there and they they Boston Scientific elected to go to Maple Grove because it just didn't fit their demographics as far as actual bodies, people, professional type of thing. So, we weren't the only ones that missed out, but and and they were very they were very big in that mix with that piece of property. They still got to do hazmat environmentals on to see what the the 50s dump there, but I would imagine, you know, so we are being watched not just by us and and they are they're very active and want to say, "Hey, how are you guys doing it?" So they're they're literally remodeling their EDA against what we're doing >> because we are separate from the council. They are also separating their EDA from the council. They feel that it's a very good model for them as well. >> Old people sticking to the habits for a long time and they don't have this business thing going >> to that point about you know kind of elevating your reputation presence as you all know. I mean, uh, Graco's corporate office is, I'm assuming, going to start breaking ground this summer. >> Yep. >> We ought to think about how we can leverage that, you know, in in terms of reputation and economic development because that's that's going to be a big deal for those. >> That is a big deal. I mean, you got I think they said 250 jobs, maybe could go up to 350 over some years. >> These are corporate offices, right? >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. >> They had a render, you know, they had the concept plan. Of course, you guys all saw it, but um yeah, I mean, it's a nice looking building that faces French Lake. It's I think it's going to be pretty key for attracting other businesses to the city. >> Uh maybe versus warehouses and uh >> just I we should think about how do we as an EDA because that's our mission, right? Economic development is how do we leverage that event that happening because I think it's going to be pretty pretty big. Who who makes that call to to Graco and say, "Hey, we want to use your name in a in a lit piece. >> It's going to be out there by just through the media." >> Yeah, it will. I'm just thinking is there I mean even I kind of wonder even right now like we all know cuz we're involved in the city, right? But you know, how many residents really even know that's happening? And you know, just things like that, like how can you we could use the communicator, we could use the app, we could use different ways to let people know. And so I think that will help, you know, I think it'll help bring mixed retail and other things because they see those jobs there and they're going to be like, well, they need to eat lunch somewhere or they need to get a coffee somewhere, whatever. It's just a thought and >> how do you want to do it? >> So, I just mention a few things like you got the communicator, you got the app, you've got your website, you've got I mean it's, you know, I think anytime we got a business that comes into the city that is going to be exciting for the community, promoting it is a good thing. Um, and I think that this happens to be one of them, you know. I mean, so far we had mostly, and I don't want to harp on it, but warehouses. And I mean, no one's going to get too excited about a warehouse, but, you know, I think we've got Gra Hill coming. My place is coming in, you know, a year or so, uh, probably spring of 27. So, I think things like that that people will actually be like, "Hey, man, I there's some place like that's exciting versus >> ribbon cutting. Are we invited to the ribbon company yet? >> Uh, a year and a half from now probably. >> Is that what they think it'll take to build a year and a half? >> Yeah. >> I assume they're going to break ground this summer though. >> Uh, spring. Yeah, >> spring. >> Well, if they break in spring, that's that's ribbon cutting type of thing. >> Mhm. >> Digging shovels, cold helmets, the whole weird thing. >> Um, I don't know if they plan on doing that with this. Uh, they they did that previously in I don't know if that was 2018 or somewhere around there. um with starting the the camp the Graco campus. >> I bet I mean like that's those are the kind of things I'm thinking like you could ask them like you know hey this is why don't we do these things. >> I don't know what the whole plan is. I don't have all the pieces. I'm just saying I throw it out there for all of us to think about and say like what could we do >> to leverage this to make a little hay. >> So maybe we could ask them if they're going to do a golden shovel thing. If they do we would like to attend. >> Okay. It's a blue shovel. >> Is it blue? >> It's a blue shovel. >> Okay. >> Other things to think about, you know, in trying to attract um I'm going to say those highly desirable businesses is land availability and zoning. So, we don't have a lot of land that's available. Um you know, earlier we had talked about the optin area. So, there we have, you know, next to opin there's two vacant lots that are across from uh French Lake. uh those are zoned industrial. So in theory, you can have another you know contractor's yard or warehouse. Um if it's something where you you would like to have office space, that's a different zoning category. Um so it's kind of a it's a question of if you want offices, you're going to have to say no to other businesses where there's probably more of an immediate market. You know, same thing with the triangle property of, you know, if you you want jobs, but right now if the market is a car wash, then you have to be a little patient until we have a project that wants to generate jobs. >> Okay. Put fork in it. I want to make a make sure we know that I don't know if our missing council member or council >> commissioner >> EA is not here today because I don't know why he might have told me something. I want to check my notes and see if it is. So I want to make sure that's not an excused absence. So I'll check into that and let you know. >> Okay. >> Anybody else want to add bounce? EDA is no longer in session.