call to order the city of Dayton Parks Commission meeting for March 3rd. >> Let's stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Not sure why, but that sound like a whole bunch of kindergartens. >> Thank you everyone. My goodness. Call for any uh additions, changes, or deletions to the agenda. All right. uh entertain a motion to approve the proposed agenda. >> All motion second. >> All in favor say I. I. >> I. >> Oppose. Same as signed. All right. On to the con. Uh we did the consent agenda. >> The consent. >> All right. Uh entertain a motion to approve the meeting notes from the marker from the February meeting. >> I'll motion. I'll second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. Same side. All right. Open forum. Do we have anybody here or online to speak? Reminder, 3 minute limitation. >> I didn't see anybody online. >> Okay. On to the council update. Councilman Lock. >> Uh let's see. Um I think most of this I'll just wait until we do the annual council update because it's all included in that. Everything I have to say pretty much. >> Okay. Anything from you, Marty? >> No. This time, no. >> All right. On to regular meeting items. Uh, item B, comprehensive plan and development update. >> John's going to run with this one. >> We'll move it. Pass. >> It's not a council meeting. Okay. So, thank you uh for allowing me to visit the park commission meeting again. Uh we've got a number of planning items that are related to parks and trails that are are needing um recommendations from the park commission. So, we have five projects uh that will be reviewed by the planning commission and the city council in the month of March um that are numbered on the screen in various locations. um kind of a general background in in park commission and in the commission's review of planning projects. The question of you know why why are you reviewing this? So um the Minnesota statute allows cities to require a a reasonable portion of buildable land to be um uh given from the developer to the cities. Um, if the city determines that there's no suitable area for a land education, the city can require parking park and trail dedication fees instead. And that's in order to require fees, we have to have um an ordinance that says what those fees are, as well as we have to have a park plan, which is this map here. Um, as well as a capital improvement plan, which Marty's gone over several times, essentially a plan of how we're going to spend the money. Uh park and trail dedication fees can only be used for um the purchase of land or I'll say park and trail improvements. It cannot be used for ongoing maintenance and operation costs. Um wonder if I can get rid of this. Maybe we'll see. Okay. Um okay. So what is the land and what are the fees that uh the city has the ability of require of developments? It depends on the type of project. Um, and if it's a residential project, it also depends on the amount of density. So for a residential project, the amount of land is is a percentage based on the density of the project. Uh, for commercial industrial, it's up to 5% of the net area. And what a net or net acres. So net acres is take the gross acres you take out um uh wetlands uh arterial roadways and a few other things. So, generally speaking, um you I know if you go into older neighbors neighborhoods, not necessarily in Dayton, you you will find um park lane that is in flood plane or kind of the I'm going to call kind the junk land that was left over the developer just gave to the city back in the you know 50s,60s and 70s. So, um the state kind of learned from that and now requires that it be actually buildable land that's dedicated um for park and trail dedication fees. Uh this is adopted annually through the city's um fee schedule. Uh it's also based on non-residential, residential, and highdensity residential. So in general speaking, for non-residential projects, it's about $11,000 per acre. Residential, it's about $7,300 per house. And for highdensity residential, which is generally apartments, it's about $5,600 per apartment or apartment unit. >> When was the last time those fees changed? I don't know. Um, >> it's been a while, I think. >> Yeah, >> because I think Tina did these ones. >> I don't know if they changed, but we look at them every year. >> We we do look at them every year. So, part of and we did look at this in more detail a couple years ago. One of the the challenges with it is that our fees are are kind of subject to the park plan that's in the comprehensive plan. And so, you know, essentially looking at this map of what is the cost of acquiring land for whether it's a community park or neighborhood parks um you know um how much detail is in that plan? We we don't have a lot of detail and so it's difficult to to um justify fees that are much higher. Um in generally speaking, we're I believe we're on a little bit of the high end of average for uh developing cities. Um I think traditionally Plymouth is probably the highest. Um but not I don't think it's significantly more though. >> Yeah, good question. >> So that's something that we we need to look at as we update the 2050 comprehensive plan in the next couple years >> because slides are getting more expensive every day. Yep. >> You know. Yeah. So was asphalt. >> So question I have on that. Um, so are you saying that because we don't have the current plan right now of we're building this park, we need this funds, we need this land for this park, it's actually hurting us from being able to actually up the fee then >> um, a little bit. So, and this is a very conservative look at it. So, you know, like LC Stevens really isn't in I don't think it's in our comprehensive plan, at least not to the level of detail that we're at now. um you know so that is does kind of hurt us is not is by being very generic in our in our comprehensive plan >> right >> I think the hope there is is that with development and some industrial >> that'll help that'll help all the numbers >> because right now like like John said we are we are on the upper side on our fees compared to other areas >> speaking of commercial any idea like that first Graco building that we gave a tiff for when that matures. >> I want to say it's 20. It's either 20 and 29 or 2030. >> Not far away then. Okay. >> Okay. Great segue. So, now getting into the five projects. The first project is for Graco. Uh they're proposing build a three-story building on the west side of French Lake. Um there is an existing trail on the east side of French Lake. The staff recommendation is park and trail dedication fees which equal about $109,000. Although in um conversations with Greyco to get them to build in in Dayton, we did agree to give a $200,000 credit towards development fees which wipes out the park and trail dedication fees. >> Of course, >> now they want a trail. >> So, um just to note, uh Diamond Lake Regional Trail is adjacent to this project and that is an existing trail. So any any questions on this? >> So we won't be putting in another trail here. You're saying correct? Because the trail is existing on the east side of the road. >> Got it. >> So why was it the uh park and trail dedication that was the one that suffered from the 200,000? you know, it's it could be any I should say I I don't know for sure. So, it might be that they pay park dedication fees and we take that out of sewer trunk fees instead. So, it's possible. Um that's something that the city council will determine when they approve the project. Um there are many fees that are associated with this, you know, far exceeding $200,000. So, that is a possibility that uh the council could say, you know, pay park dedication fees. Uh we'll take the credit out of something else. >> So, in the end, it's still city fees. >> Might be. Yeah. If if it could be not the entire amount of the park and trail, >> feel like >> that would be good. >> Okay. Any more questions on Graco? So, with this new building they're looking at, >> what kind of build schedule do they have out of my own curiosity? >> Um, they would start this spring. Um, >> I'm going to say it's probably about a year and a half roughly. >> Okay. >> And it's all been approved through all the other boards. >> It has not. So, the just calendar-wise, park commission lands first on the on the typically >> Sure. on uh the meeting schedule. So, this will go to the planning commission on Thursday and then the city council on March 10th, >> the Greyco campus. >> Okay. The second project is reserve at Vineyard Meadow. Uh this is in Northwest Dayton. It's 12 single family lots. Uh staff recommendation is to require a trail easement along Brockton as well as Dayton River Road. And then in addition to park and de park park and trail dedication fees totaling about $88,000. Um notes on this this is within a search area for a community park. Although adjacent to this project to the south is the planned uh >> Hol Holy Spirit academy. Struggling on the name here. >> Um so Holy Spirit academy we anticipate will be coming in for a a private school or charter school. Um the thought there is that it makes high school. So the thought there is that it would make sense to discuss with them co-locating athletic facilities on their campus. >> Uh Diamond Lake Regional Trail um kind of goes through this area although the plan uh from Three Rivers Park is that it would be on the east side of Blondale Lane. So outside of this project and then we have West Mississippi Regional Trail that goes along Dayton River Road, although that trail would also be on the north side of Dayton River Road. So the intent here is that it would be a city trail along Brockton and then on the south side of Dayton River Road. Um if the developer would build a trail now, it it would not connect anything. So that's why we're um recommending just a easement and the trail would be built at a later date. >> Got it. So, any questions on this? >> Has this gone through the proper channels? >> Um, it has. Your park commission is first. >> Okay. Is that with all five projects? >> Okay. Thank you. We haven't seen anyone. >> Well, look at you getting ahead of the >> Okay. Thank you. >> The project three is Sundance Greens 12th edition. Uh this is an amendment to planning unit development. Uh the staff is recommending a land indication for excuse me a quarter of Dayton Farms. So as the commission may recall uh this Dayton Farms Park or area 21 park is many many years in the making. The idea was is that we're going to take a little bit of land from four different development projects and eventually we would have a park. So that was I don't know when we started this and they say 10 to 12 10 to 15 years ago. So, we're we're almost there. >> And Dayton Farms Park is the name that was voted on recently. >> Area 21. >> All right. >> Uh so, in the case here, it would be again it' be land education towards Dayton Farms Park. >> Um the trail that's along the uh power line easement, I believe, is already constructed. >> Um so, it would just be a land dedication. >> Nice. >> Gotcha. >> So, any questions with this? >> That'll be a great park. Mhm. >> I should ask, and I apologize for this, if if the commission has any recommendations like, you know, with staff's recommendations or or something different too >> for any of these. Okay. >> None. >> Uh the fourth project is Dubet Lake Preserve. Uh this is a large project on the north side of 117th Avenue. It's a concept plan. So concept plan is kind of the first step in the the project review and it's the developer bringing in an idea um and then giving the plan commission the council and other advisory commissions the opportunity to just provide a non-binding recommendation or comments you good and bad about the project. Uh the developer then takes those comments and revises the plan before submitting a preliminary plan. Um, so there's not as typically not as much detail in a concept plan as there would be in a preliminary plan, although this project is fairly detailed. Uh, with Dubet Lake uh, preserve, the developer has submitted two different concept plans. Um, one has 453 lots and the second 478 lots. So this is um you know uh for comparison slightly smaller than Sundance Greens or yeah I think Sundance was five >> low 500s. Um the staff recommendations for this and I'll just kind of go one by one. Uh the first is a trail uh construction of a trail along the north side of 117th. Uh there is an existing trail along the south side of 117th, but we're anticipating that 117th will be a much busier street with all the homes that are coming in. >> Uh second item is a tra to extend the trail along the power line easement north and south. >> Question, >> can I ask? Yep. >> That trail that's going on the south, is that connecting to anything or is that just like >> um at this point? No. So it would go from the extent of the development from you know here on this point on the east and then this point on the west. Um so very similar to when Braburn Trails was built. It was essentially a trail to to nowhere um until the adjacent properties were developed and then it would eventually connect >> connect. Gota okay. >> Uh the second bulleted item was to extend the north south trail corridor along the power line easement. Um the question came up at a recent city council meeting is if there's interest in a permanent um snow snowmobile trail in Dayton. Um I think that was more so in relation to connecting trails in I'm going to say from uh Henipin County into Wright County across um the Crow River. But as it relates you if you have trail crossing you got to have a trail also. >> Yep. So, I think th this and you know the the snowmobile trail top isn't necessarily a topic for tonight. I believe we've discussed it a couple of years ago. >> Um but I'm not sure who all was on the commission. It >> was one of my first meetings. >> Yeah, everybody but Luke. >> Uh third item is a trail along the east wetland complex here. So, this is a a fairly expansive wetland complex and and part of it I'm going to say probably half of it goes through this project. Uh, third item is a trail around Dubet Lake. Uh, fourth item is a neighborhood park north of this project, but would potentially require some land dedication. Uh, this is more of a high-end idea of of where is the next neighborhood park north of 117th. Um then I don't have it on here but also the idea uh this is within the search area for community park and then also a bigger question of where would be a a potential site for a future city hall and and civic campus. >> Um just and this has kind of starting at the park commission working our way up. Um the idea of of this location is that the city does own um I believe it's nine acres 10 nine acres on 117th that was intended for either a replacement for fire station 2 or possibly a park. Um the idea of where would a a new civic campus go, you know, ideally it's going to be some, you know, we're probably going to need one sooner or later. And when I say sooner, it's I'm going to say within the next 5 to 15 years. Um so trying to figure figure out okay what area is going to have sewer and water within that time period. Um and is also easily accessible. Um as the commission knows when you look at the bigger map of of Dayton um the only north south corridor that we have is Zanzibar. And so Zanzibar as we develop out is going to be our main north south corridor. Um having a community park on the south side south end as well as another one on the north end um makes sense. So as this relate as that relate the these are all highle big p idea concepts but as that how that relates to this project is um the far northwest corner of this project has a similar topography to um the area that's west of there. If there's an idea or any interest in planning for a community park, um it'd be better to do that sooner rather than later so that we don't um end up having houses where we should have had a park. Okay, that was kind of a mouthful. Um otherwise, uh park and dedication fees depending on the number of lots that are built, whether it's 453 or 478 is somewhere between 3.3 and $3.5 million. So th this is a significant project as it relates to uh funding future park improvements. Um and in each one of these I I'm putting out the fee dedication just to have that as as a general reference. Um when we do require land dedication or construction of trails that is credited towards the fee amount. One question I have, the 3.3 million, does that get paid when they start development or per house? >> It it's uh that's a great question. So the fees are paid when the final plat is approved. So in bigger projects, it's done in phases. So uh Sundays greens for for example, we're on phase 12. So each say if each phase has 20 homes they pay a park dedication fee for 20 lots and those fee that fee is based on when the development is final. So um you know let's say if this project were approved in 2026 you know phase one is going to pay 2026 fees. Phase 10 might pay 2020 or 2030 fees if if that's when it's final. And if the fees go up eventually, that would then continue to go up. >> Yes. >> Okay. This is a big project, so I'm anticipating there's questions. >> So, when you say the area 18 park and then the community park, those are two separate. >> I mean, I'm just making sure I'm understanding. You have the red circle, so you're talking about something totally different. >> Correct. And I think if it's probably either one or the other. Um if if we do a community park, there's not a need for a neighborhood park this close. >> Okay. >> Um I should also add the project is proposing an HOA park in this location. So that would be a >> similar to Sundance. So it' be clubhouse with a swimming pool and and >> so they would have something. >> It would have something. But in the meantime, there's >> a debate of if we're going to put a community park in the area and then like the consolation of if we don't do that would be this area 18 park. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> And the reason for this location and it's just thrown out there. So, um, it's along the Power Line Corridor Trail and it it's far enough north of Dayton Farms Park that it >> it just made sense. >> When is the community park discussion happening? >> Um, whenever you'd like. >> Cool. When the last time we went to the table with them and it was at the end of the meeting, everybody agreed it's too expensive and too far out and not to talk about it. >> Mhm. But I mean, if you can get land up there, we all know who owns the land. So, >> um, >> if that's where it's going to be, >> right? So, I don't see any kind of Fern Brook realignment on there. The old classic Dayton X cut across and all that stuff going on. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what I was the X was removed and I believe it was 2023 thereabouts. So, >> Yep. So, for anyone that that's not familiar with it, um when the comprehensive plan was approved in 2022 and in and written a few years before that, the plan was is we'd have this X uh transit transportation corridor um going uh you know, essentially at an angle and it kind of centers north of this project or the Dubai project. um 2023 the the council needed to make a decision of whether to require um land education as part of the Brurn Trails project and the council's decision was to remove the X and go with kind of we called it the H. So essentially it's uh you know north and south corridors along Fernbrook and Zanzibar with cross streets on >> 117th 121st and 125th. So that leads to too fast. Um, >> all right. >> In this case, we have, you know, the middle of the age on 121st as well as a future 125th. No, I'm sorry. 100 future 121st and then 125th. >> So, I noticed the ghost plat on the one property on the far west side of all this >> there. There are a couple. So there's one >> Yeah. >> Yep. There there's one on the far west side. And so that's just and it's hard to see on the screen. Uh but the intent here is showing how land could be subdivided. So it's not essentially not ignoring that land owner. And >> so it is possible Tom Dean's talking to him and >> it it's possible. I don't know. You know, that's they're not part of this project. Um I don't believe they're participating in it, but the idea is that we're not ignoring the the development, >> right? and it's already ghost plotted. >> Um, and then it's the same thing with the I think it's the young property that's in the middle here. >> Y neat. >> So, any questions or recommendations or comments on this? >> What year perspectively are we thinking 28 29 breakown? >> Um, probably 27. Yeah, it's just a guess. Yeah, but yeah, I'm going to say 20 well >> late 2027. So, this project is big enough it's going to require environmental assessment agreement or >> worksheet EAW for sure. >> Um, that you typically takes 6 to 8 months to go through. Um, so my guess is the approvals would be late in 2026 and then probably would begin construction in early 2027 at the earliest. Dayton's growing. >> It's growing and it also depends on market demand. So, commission knows we have a number of house a number of projects that were approved um late this in 2025 that are just beginning to get started. >> How does this affect then our build plan for the 2022 or 2020 2030 2040? Is this property a part of the original 2020 or are we moving 2030? >> It's a great question. Yes and no. So the west portion of the project is within the 2020 sewer plan. Uh the eastern portion is within the 2030 sewer plan. So this will require an amendment to the comprehensive plan related to sewer staging. >> You don't happen to have a quick copy of that that you can send out or show the rest of the group here? >> I do not. Um the border it's either this line or this line. one of the two. I'm going to say roughly this is 2030 and then this is 2020. >> Sure. other questions or >> so if there if you think that this project is going to start in 2027 then we need to have the discussion about which park because don't you go into it with them knowing what they're doing either dedicating land or paying fees >> it it is and at this stage with the concept plan it's not necessarily it's not critical now it will be critical at the prelimary ary plat stage. Um before the preliminary plat can be approved, the EAW has to be written and accepted first. Um so again, this project probably won't come back to the city council or back to the city until later in 2026. So there's plenty of time, but if the city intends on looking at a community park in this area, um more thought needs to get into should be put into it as far as what's include what is in the community park and how much land is needed. Any other questions before he moves on? >> All right. >> Okay. Any recommendations with this at this point? >> Feels so up in the air that I don't know if I can make recommendations. >> Well, I like your trail recommendations that you've already put in there. >> True. And um I personally would like to talk about the snowmobile again because I think that there's a definite desire to have to try to save the stuff that is already being used. >> I would agree with that. >> Same. >> Okay. I mean, given you have to have snow and you know, all that fun stuff that we can't really plan, but >> I think saving what's already being used versus like creating new is such a different discussion than what we had when we were talking about the mobile trail last time, too. So, >> John, do you know the distance from that trail to the back lot of the of those houses along there? >> Has that been described yet? >> I do not, but it's not far. um you know so the idea of of you know when we discussed this a couple years ago of colllocating um snowmobile trails with a horse trail I think the idea was a much wider corridor than what we have for >> you know this so this is much more I'm going to say more urban where you know you're thinking there's going to be um you know people walking strollers and bicycles and dogs it's much different with the snowmobile and the noise there so that's associated with that Mhm. >> It would have to be a much wider path. >> Yeah. So, you're not talking like 3 400 ft. >> Um Oh, between No, I mean this this is >> 100. >> Uh or or issue >> for a snowmobile? Yes. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Any anything more on dubet? >> Nope. Okay. Okay, the fifth project and the last one is Stenley Stern. So this is along County Road 81 and Territorial Trail. Uh this is also a concept plan. So once again a very high level plan uh for 172 town homes. Um recommendations for this is to consider land for oh I can't remember which area this was. as area 20 um >> 20 >> area 20 neighborhood park um which potentially would be part partially land dedication from this project as well as a trail that would be located along or on top of a a sanitary sewer easement and then potentially in the future connecting on the east side to create a loop trail. Um, this project is adjacent to the Three Rivers Park District for Rush Creek Regional Trail. Um, that will be along the north side of of Territorial Trail and then will cross over through a tunnel to the south the southwest side of County Road 81. So, it touches this project but just barely. Um, so qu any questions with this? So again, staff's recommendation, uh, park and trail dedication fees are about $1.2 million. Um, and that would, uh, any land education or trail construction would be credited towards that 1.2 million. >> Lot of houses to be dumping out on 81. That's already busy. >> It it is. So, and I I don't have a map on here. Um staff has is planning on realigning territorial trail in the county road 81 intersection and putting in a roundabout um kind of at this juncture. Um the expectation is the developer would be um contributing heavily towards the cost of that roundabout. Um that doesn't necessarily relieve traffic congestion at that intersection. So that that's going to be a traffic signal. Um Henipin County has no plans for traffic signal. Um, and we don't have money to to pay for that. So, >> right. >> Um, so yes, with 172 homes that are putting into that's going to contribute to the congestion at that intersection. We don't have a fix for that. >> Any questions for this project? >> And there's no way to get it to the roundabout over by the Cubes building, is there? >> Um, not practically. So, this project does include a right in right out along the western portion of the project. So the thought is that that's more of a reliever for um these residents is that they can get in here and then out down territorial um the I don't know if the commission is where so in 2025 we had a development moratorum in this larger area um to look at what is the highest best use as well as um transportation corridors. The council's direction is just is to separate industrial traffic from residential traffic. So, the idea here is um you're not going to have a mixture of the two. So, all the the uh industrial traffic is going to go out onto Dayton Parkway. All the residential traffic will either go out onto East Territorial Road or Territorial. >> Good in theory. >> But you're still dumping them on 81, which is commercial traffic. >> Yes. about. All right, then. Any >> questions for this? >> No, >> nothing. >> Okay. Well, I I'm just to be clear, I'm I'm going to interpret that staff's recommendation on here, park commission's recommendation is similar to what staff is recommending on each of these slides. So essentially uh for any additional trails or changes in trails or parks um you know I should add for this one for area 20 it does take more thought to put into it on um I think in the park uh uh or in the comprehensive plan it call no I think it is area 20 neighborhood park not a tot lot. Um so neighborhood park is significantly larger than a tot lot. um in conversations with some other developers that that are more familiar with this land than I am, the best location is on the west side of this um kind of wetland complex. And depending on the size of the neighborhood park, it may be on both sides of the wetland. I think uh to your point of just us reflecting the same as the staff recommendations, the two things I remember from this is that for Greyco, we're curious if the fees cannot all be taken just from >> Sure. >> us and then for Dubet that there needs to be further discussion on certain things like the snowmobile and the community park. >> I'd concur. Yep. Agreed. I think it's great that we're we're giving back to allow them to build a little bit easier. I just don't think the park area should be the one that takes the blend of it. >> Sure. Yep. No, it's totally understood. Um I've not figured out the fees for the whole uh Greyco project and so I do the park dedication fees is just simple to call that out. So, well, 200,000 would have built a nice shelter. >> Just saying. >> Maybe, maybe not. >> All right. A nice splash pad. >> Yeah, >> probably not. >> Memorial. >> It could have bought us more recycling and garbage cans. >> Thank you. >> And dog wastens. >> Running water in the bathroom. No, just kidding. That's not enough for that. >> Okay. garden was the river. >> Yeah. >> Any I think I've got what I needed. Any other >> Do you need a motion or anything? >> Um I guess for the minutes it'd be helpful to have a motion. >> What are we motioning to? >> Um so if my interpretation is um to go with staff's recommendation on each of these five items, the exception would be is on Graco of uh somehow not somehow split. Yeah, I got to figure out how to work Smith. But essentially, not all the credit, $200,000 credit to Greyco should come from park and trail dedication fees. >> And then as it relates to Dubet is having further conversation regarding community park. Y >> I move to go with staff recommendations with the exception of Greyco where um the fees be more evenly split so the park department or the park commission does not eat the cost and the snowmobile tray trail in Dubai to continue to have that discussion. Other than that I uh agree with your recommendations. So I move >> there a second. Well, also adding the community, we need to discuss the community park compared to area >> community park versus area. >> True. I amend my motion and add the community park discussion. >> All right. >> I'll second on that. >> All right. All in favor? >> I >> I same. Right. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you very much for your time tonight. >> Thank you. >> Next item, water trails approval bid award. So, this is um more for your information. Um as requested, um the council did approve this. Um we're moving along with the contract negotiations at the moment, pulling that together. Um the low bid was from Sunram. Um it's a very good bid. Um they're a smaller company. Um but uh they have some good um references um for similar projects. So, we're comfortable with using them. Um so we have got uh a significant amount of the grant dollars left over which we're going to be using um at Gooding Park with the three rivers park district of their trail head project there. Um the on top uh on top of this 383 we took the tree content out there because I think there was something uh required like 240 trees. Um obviously we can put all those around the the one area where we're taking them out. due to the city ordinance where for every 1 in of trees you take out, you have to replace two. So, we will be putting trees in, but we'll be putting those around the whole of uh um LC Stevens Park um once we figure out where where we can put them and they're not going to be in the way of other um things in the master plan. >> Okay. So hopefully we'll have a pre-construction meeting on that um in the next couple of weeks and then um uh we should get breaking ground um late spring, early summer um with a completion date. I think it was September. >> Nine bids. Nice work. >> Mhm. >> Best turnout we had. >> I think there were 28 contractors took bid packets. >> So yeah, it was good. Sounds good. >> All right. Standard question. Projected construction. >> We're going to start this year with it. >> Yes. I just said >> sorry a >> September of 2026, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's when it should be completed. >> Completed. It'll be substantially completed by 2026. There might be some restoration work that needs to be done, but I'm anticipating everything to be in by boat. >> Fantastic. Kayak's on order then. >> Uh I haven't got that far yet. We got to negotiate with we're looking at doing a P paddle share program. Um but it's kind of difficult when we don't have a putting point just yet. Um the putting point would there probably be DNR um in the old village. Um, and that would be where the paddle share would be. And then the bike share would be maybe at the uh LC Stevens. So they can take the canoes out and rent a bike and get back to their vehicle at DNR. >> And at the end of the day, you can go and put the boats back where they belong and the bike's back. >> Thanks, Dave. >> Someone's got to do it. >> I'm looking at you. >> All right. I'm going to tell you voluntary. >> You're going to hire me? Awesome. All right. Any questions on this for Martin? >> No, great work. >> Straightforward. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> On to item G 26 commission goals discussion annual council update. >> Yeah. So this we talked about this at the last meeting and uh you wanted to take some time and then come back and discuss at this meeting um you know how you want to go meet with the council and talk about you know your goals and we need to set up some goals for the commission um for this year maybe some more you know looking out next year maybe looking out a couple of years what you know you need to look at um so I'll leave this for you to have an open discussion on Did you include the parks from last meeting that were not on here? >> Wasn't there like Leather's Park and something else and some trails that weren't on the discussion? Looking for possibly the trail. the trail would have been the one uh connecting to Pine View. That's that's still in prog or still in the works. >> Yeah, that's probably going to tie in with the Henipin County project when they put the roundabout in. >> So, I guess I do Can I just start out with a couple of questions for you, Marty? >> Sure. Um, so when John was on the committee, he was kind of leading a Tree City USA initiative. >> Yep. >> And then it I haven't heard anything about it since he's gotten off the committee. I'm just curious, are we still moving forward with that? Is it just dead in the air? Is there something we should be doing with it? >> Um, >> I'm just wondering if we need to make any goals around that. I don't as far as I recall John was going to keep running that part of the project and and come back to me with you know what he needs to keep that thing moving and dates for Arbor Day and that kind of thing. So I haven't heard anything from John. >> Um I certainly could reach out to him and see where we're at with that. >> It wasn't with city legal department that they were looking through that. >> I think we got past that, didn't we? Yeah, we got past that because the council approved it and they did the proclamation and that stuff as well. >> Okay. >> I just would like to keep helping it move along. So, I if we could get an update on that, that would be great. >> I will reach out to John and see if he's still running it. If he's not, then >> if he's not, then that way we can see where we need to pick up with it. Yep. >> Can I piggy back on your trees? >> Arbor Day proclamation. Can we do that again this year? >> What did we do last year? >> Just a Arbor Day proclamation. You know, hug your tree. >> Yeah, >> I believe it was. >> Do we have to do the proclamation every year? >> I would think so. >> I think so. >> I can look into I'll talk with John about that as well. might have my old sheet here somewhere. April is obviously that's where Arbor Day lands. >> Mhm. >> And we had written up that nice proclamation. >> Yep. Fantastic. You have anything else? Um, so the only thing as far as like overviewing with the list that you already gave us. I just feel like there's a couple things that we don't have on there. One, you mentioned Leather's Park. >> Mhm. >> Um, so I just want to make sure that's known. And then also like the diamond lake diamonds since we've been working on that. Um just as things to be able to bring up if we're meeting with city council. Those are the two things that I saw that were missing off the list. >> The uh parking lot at Central Park was done this past year, too. >> Ah, that's right. Thank you. That was nice. Can't see it anywhere. >> Under roll back to Leathers Park. We're looking at possible receing this year. >> Mhm. But uh we mowed it last fall. We'll see what comes up in the spring and see if there's some overseeding required in that >> diamond like diamonds. Is it for sure? >> Starting this year. >> Um >> it's >> we got money put aside that. I'm not sure what that looks like this year. Um we I think we put money in there for four years. $25,000 a $25,000 a year for four years. We figured that the project would be somewhere around like a hundred,000 to get it done. And we need to talk to CDAA a little bit to see if they're going to contribute some funds to that as well. So, we did do some concept plans. We haven't cut down on what the next step is just yet. Got it. >> Could we get an update on that next meeting possibly? >> Yeah, sure. And an item that is not going to happen probably uh the shelter at Stevens Park, the Banshill. That is probably not going possibilities are the soonest we could get it done would be September. >> So not not happening period. It's just >> well it's still up in the air. >> What's the delay? >> Great question. What's the delay? >> Yes, we talked about it last time and it's uh the unit itself as well. >> The unit itself originally was going to be a 4 week. Order it, get it in 12 weeks, 4 months, 3 months, 3 months. Now it's closer to 20 to 24 weeks before you get it. So 5 to 6 months before you get it. >> That specific design, right? So if we chose another design, >> not necessarily. That's been most of most of them. >> Yeah. >> They don't stock the unit. Once you order it, they have to go through the uh engineer drawings, which it surprises me that they don't have these drawings already made up uh for, you know, if you order a standard 20 by 30 or 30 30 by 30. They're not made. I mean, for some reason, then it takes eight weeks to get the drawings. Uh, and then they make it after the drawings are done, which production is out 5 to 6 months. >> Is it not something that we can have someone construct like? >> No, we can get it we can get it up, but we don't have the unit, we won't get the unit until even if we ordered it, council approved what unit to order. But, uh, even if we ordered that unit, uh, you wouldn't get it until August. But I mean, would it not be something that we couldn't go a different route and have someone build a band shelter like other communities have? >> You mean versus like a >> Yeah. Instead of doing a pre-fabricated thing? >> Yeah. >> I came up with a rough drawing, you could maybe do it, but I mean, go to the lumber yard and buy the lumber and stuff, then maybe you could do it, but I mean, >> your costs are going to go way up compared to pre fab. >> Then you're opening a whole another can of worms. I mean, you can't look at what you're buying right off the bat. I mean, right? >> I think there's a lot of I understand what you're saying, Luke, but I think there's a lot of different things that we'd have to go through with the design and engineering on that >> that would probably >> push it further out, >> increase the cost. >> So, >> I mean, the council looked at the particular the particular unit, everybody, >> it was 501 what unit to get. Uh but then all of a sudden we ran into a snag as far as you can't really well what's really going to hold it up is June 5th the car show events start and I don't know what uh this summer events for the city has got planned. >> We haven't talked about that at all yet. Uh but every two weeks there's a car show event from starting June 5th till the end of uh August. Mhm. >> So, the council wants something up before those would all happen >> originally, I guess, >> and because this wouldn't come up. >> So, the council wants us to find something alternative that could get in there sooner or Okay. So, >> no, we pretty much accepted the facts that it's not going to happen. >> Pay for it, order it, and get it here spring of 27. >> We can we can get it here September or August of this year. Yeah, >> we can get the unit then and then after most of the events are over at Stevens. >> I mean, I don't think you want to start. Personally, I wouldn't start construction in June or July because then you're going to interfere with all. So, if you wait until September when everything's pretty much over, >> I mean, it could be if it's here, it could be erected in two, three weeks. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> So, you're just letting us know it's not going to be in the spring. It's going to be in the fall. Unfortunately, we needed to get this going 6 months ago, Mark. >> Yeah. >> To get it done. >> So, it's just that it will be going in in the fall instead. >> So, it was ordered. >> I don't think so. >> So, we we haven't ordered anything yet. We still need to figure out the exact size of it. We need to do some soil borings to, you know, check test the uh the soils there for the footings and all that good stuff. So, there's still some engineering stuff that needs to be done that way. Uh we did we need to get um some work done on how that structure supports itself with a 10-ft overhang on the front and maybe some cantalie design needed for that as well. So there there's a bunch of stuff going on. I have one um company that's doing some preliminary drawings for us and giving us some estimates for what that looks like. Um, but we still need to get um the plans and specs uh side of this project sorted out so we know exactly where it's going, how we reroute the um the the ADA trail to accommodate the dance floor and any retaining walls and anything that that's needed to go around that stage area. So there's still quite a few things moving parts to get this together. It's not just going in there putting up the band shell. So 2027 then maybe >> I know I think it's possible to get it done in September. I mean >> I think it is too. I think that if we aim for 26 and get all our ducks in a row um we can get everything ordered ahead of time, get it delivered here ready to go and and do the whole project in September. There may be some restoration work to do in the spring of 27, but I think that the the structure and and the concrete work and all that good stuff can be done this year. I mean, you could even go through the end of October, I think, to >> Oh, yeah. >> I mean, I expect that we can have it built yet this fall, >> but it's just not going to happen for June. My my target was June 1, >> right? >> It's just a lot has to happen as he explained. Um, but >> we as a board would really like to see that installed this fall, but we understand there's a lot that goes to it. >> Um, do we have >> next spring? Do we have a drawing of what it's going to look like or any rough? We do have some rough drawings. I think >> we've seen that the same way. >> Yeah. So, it's still the same thing. And you know, as that rough drawings come in, I can bring those back to you guys as well. But, um, all right. >> Uh, in the meantime, I mean, uh, maybe we go with some sort of a tent over it for the summer. I'm not sure what the plan will be. I mean, they've lived without it how many years? I mean, >> well, yeah. I mean, we've done it before. I think last year was, you know, the first time the car show had a band down there, and I think you've had bands down there before, as I >> Yeah. River four or five. Well, three or four bands last year. This year, there's going to be six for sure. >> And I don't know what Elizabeth has got planned for the >> We got a couple of things coming together now. We're just looking at bands for a couple of events down there. Um, Family Fun Night, um, where we had that teddy bear band. And then there's a couple of other dates that we're looking at having a city concert down there. It certainly won't be as elaborate as last year, but we're trying to get two good events down there. >> Cool. >> Sounds good. >> The DNR boat landing. That's really in the DNR's hands. Thinking 28ish. They'll be looking at we're looking at construction of that in 27. That's what they're telling me at the moment. Um their engineering department is um working through some of the things they want to back up landing um where the existing one is now. Um in case one of them gets silted in, they've still got somewhere to put uh um motorized launches. Um we're looking at if that compromises you know the the motorized launch there as well that causes a conflict. So there's quite a few things that are going on with that at the moment. >> All the irrigation projects will be completed in 26. >> They're they're completed now. They just need to start up um in 26. Okay. Well, since last time I couldn't think of anything else that we discussed and >> we're all planning on going correct to talk with >> we will let our chair talk I believe and then >> Right. but we were going for moral support. >> Yeah. >> Don't get you have to. >> Have we planned? When is it? >> Well, we don't even have goals yet. >> Right. >> Right. like what >> I thought that they were the 26 ones. Am I wrong? >> Well, we need to we're we need to come up with other goals that we want to see for our park. So, like >> um one thing that I would like to do, the very first year I was on, we had a huge work session where we had a huge map of the city. We all sat around it and we just kind of picked a bunch of trails >> and then that's what we've worked off of. But everything that we have chosen has either been completed or most of them have been pushed back to go with roads that are being constructed. >> Correct. >> Um I want to see us still continue to find new trails. And so a goal, >> I would love to have a work session where we could do that same type of thing again cuz for me to just pick trails off the top of my brain, that's just hard. >> Yeah, >> it's a good idea. >> So that's something I would like to do in this next year. That would be one of my goals. >> Focused on trails. >> Mhm. Okay. >> And try to um continue finding ways to be able to bring them together. Along with that, in the past, we have talked about trying to find a way to have easier access for the public to be able to know how long each trail is, how many miles. >> And I did notice when I went and looked at the app in preparation for coming here, there is a map now on there showing the trails, but you can't zoom into it. It's very hard to see anything. And I'm just wondering if there isn't something more we can try to do to make that more interactive to help people understand this trail is 2.6 miles or >> Yeah. >> I just don't know that if you have that. We've talked about it before and maybe you've put the information somewhere but I couldn't find it. >> So I think on the trails you have to click on the trail itself and there should be a drop down menu that comes up with that. At least there is on the >> Let's bring it up right now. >> Okay. Yeah. cuz I was looking and just didn't see it. So maybe I missed it. I very well could have. >> I'm pretty sure on the parks if you do click on the parks, the amenities should come up on the parks. I thought there was something similar. It might not say how long the trail is. >> And you're talking about the app or the website? I'm talking about what I developed with uh the JIS guys um that went on the website and it should be the same transfer straight over to the app is from from what I understand >> okay my app isn't coming up >> right >> mine's loading >> on the main >> I'm just using the website though not the app >> okay I'm trying to use the app but it's not coming out >> where would you say it is on the main website. >> Oh god, it's under parks I believe. >> Yeah, if you go to parks department and then there was the uh comprehensive under departments parks and wreck and then the comprehensive trail map. >> Yeah. >> Is there Oh, there. >> Oh, picture. I see packets. No, you're in the >> Go ahead. >> Sorry. >> No, you're >> cuz you're in the government section. So, if you go into the other part where it's um >> So, it's more community instead of departments. There should be Okay, never mind. Maybe it's >> Yeah, parks and recreation. Go for it. >> Parks. Sorry, I didn't mean to take over. Oh, >> you can drive. Give it a minute. >> I do love the fact that if we ever have any questions, just to let you know according to every page I've seen so far. >> Are all of these on all trails? >> That's the thing. I see the parks, but I don't know where to find the trails. >> The trails. Yeah. But also I just speaking from as someone who is an avid hiker and who hikes with a lot of other people who are avid hikers. I is this the best place for us to be posting versus putting them on all trails and stuff where generally people go to find trails. >> City of Dayton Department comprehensive trail. That's not the that's that comprehensive trail map isn't the the interactive map. That's just >> Okay. So, we've identified that the trails on our website need help. >> Yeah. >> So, when I'm on the app and I hit Dayton Trails, >> the only thing that comes up is this, but you can't do anything with it and it's very hard to see anything. >> That isn't a GIS. >> Yeah, that's a terrible map. >> All right. I just know that that's what's on the app. >> Yeah. >> Doesn't tell me anything. >> I don't know why that's not the >> cuz that's Yeah, that isn't our the app that I worked on. >> Okay. So, I just wanted you to know what if you're on the app and you're looking at it, it's not up to date with whatever you had worked on. >> That's a a static PDF and it shouldn't be that. It should be a GIS file that you can then, you know, enlarge and click on it and then you should be able to show show the amenities. That's the way it was designed. I'm not sure they So, if you go on the parks, it shows you what all the amenities are in the parks. It tell you, you know, it's got photographs of the playground equipment and all that stuff. >> Sure. >> Um, >> so that needs to be fixed. >> You going to take run with that, Marty, or? >> Uh, no. Fair enough. I just was we had just talked about it so I was bringing that because that was one of our goals last year >> and yeah and I I I'm disappointed that it's not on there actually you know because I put a lot of effort into getting that to where it needed to be >> to be and so >> I know when we tried to put it on the app before there was some hold up because they couldn't do it any other than a PDF and then when we gave them the GIS file they said oh yeah we can do that and maybe they just put a PDF on it needs to be interactive. Okay. >> Yes. I'll check out on that and see why it's not working. >> One thing I'm curious about, >> thank you. I appreciate >> I don't know if I would say it's a goal, but it's something that I guess a goal of exploring. Um, so there was that whole um uh hunting for the little plaque medallion thing. >> Yeah, the window medallion thing. >> And it seems like that kind of thing people enjoy. And and I'm curious in general if there are other like parks activities or um ways that we can I don't know encourage people to get out more. >> So we do have Leprechaorn on the loose coming up in March. So it's be coming up in the next it's for St. Patrick's Day. So that's going to be launched on the website in a couple of days here I think. >> Okay. Um, and then there's move in May or something like that it's called. Um, and that's where we have select a park and we'll take the date and dog out there and and put some stuff out there and advertise that park to get people to go to the park and walk around the trails. >> Um, and then we did last year um with the play place um we took it out to a couple of uh uh parks in the city. Play place is something that we run in the activity center currently. Um and trying to boost people uh coming to that. Um we chose a couple of parks and and advertise it and got people out there. One of the events we had 60 uh families come uh 60 ms and kids come out to that particular park. So we're trying to build on that. Um so that's a couple of things that we're doing. >> Cool. >> What about park cleanup day? We did that last spring. I don't remember what the date was. >> But park wasn't that Earth Day. >> Was it Earth Day? >> I think it was Earth Day. >> And wasn't that coordinated through the neighborhoods? >> Yeah. And then they were to notify you to pick up the trash. >> Yeah. >> That's two days before uh over day. Well planned. April 22nd if anyone wanted that date and 24th is tree day or our birthday. >> April 22nd you said? >> Yep. Is Earth Day. >> Mhm. >> Um I guess uh two of my goals I would say would be the getting the snowmobile trail. Let's actually iron that all out. And then the community park, if that's something that we're going to um look at, I think we need to figure it out now. I think we need to stay ahead of the eightball and not fall behind um as the city grows and making sure that that's a priority. >> I would say that'd be a good work session with council then as well >> because we can talk about it, but we need them at the table too. >> Yeah. >> We need to convince them. The biggest the biggest question is is if it's in the south, >> you're talking subst substantially different land value than in the north. >> So, I guess >> lots of working sessions. It sounds like >> two for sure >> and I guess um >> one for us and one with them. >> You just about the snowmobile trails in a community park. Do you want those a joint session with the council on that? Uh, do you want both of those as the same at the same >> Do we need the >> My two cents would be our working session to look at trails and that's when we would discuss the snowmobile stuff, >> but then when we meet with the council, >> we would just talk about the community park and hash that out. >> Yep. >> One topic. >> Nobody leaves till it's done and bought. >> Yep. >> How about financed? >> I didn't say financed. Well, and I think that's also brings up um a good point is we've in my short tenure here um we have presented different things to the council um from the proposal for John um with the park um survey to the grand idea of uh Stevens Park um and both of them have been shut shot down. So I would like I guess from my own personal opinion is I feel like we need to know exactly what the city council is wanting us to provide because if we keep on proposing different things and we put you know we had essentially everyone agreed that we should do the survey. We didn't agree on the cost, but then they get shot down eventually because of cost and the city council not thinking that we need it. What is our purpose here? And what is our goal from the city council and the mayor's perspective? What is our goal for them? Because once again, we can sit here, we can talk all great ideas, but then if they just get shot down at every time that we propose something, >> it's disheartening for us. And >> so the goal is building a stronger relationship or tie to the city council. So that >> Yeah. I do think it's good though that I don't actually think it's wrong that things get presented and they get shut down because they need ideas. If we just know what they want and we only do what they want, then nothing new comes out. >> And so we have to have a little bit of this back and forth in order to be able to bring ideas about to be able to talk about things >> as long as we know why. I don't know why the review of all the parks area to understand the play equipments, the ball fields, things like that was shot down. >> Y >> if it was money related or if it was no silly idea. >> Number one, I think that my biggest I'll only speak for me. >> Sure. >> Um to me, you need to know how big of a piece of ground you're where are you going to go after this part number one. Um, that's a big question in my mind because and then how much do you want? I mean, there's been for years we've been talking is it 40, is it 50 or is it 80? >> I mean, I think the city of Dayton would be happier than hell to have Andrews Park in it right now >> and that's just under 40 acres. >> Mhm. Now, I'm not saying that that's the right number, but >> well, I guess I'm talking about John's John's circle with the >> surrounding surrounding areas, all their fields, >> auditing basically what is in the surrounding areas, what is needed. >> Yeah. >> And that was shot down and once again, we >> we felt like that would give us a great direction for what future projects could be. And then Yeah. to not know why it was shot down. >> I personally didn't see any value in that. >> Okay, >> that's me. >> Feedback's feedback. >> I'm only one. So, >> but I mean >> I mean it was I don't remember the number how how the vote went. I I don't remember what it was. It was >> so if we were Oh, sorry. Finish. I was jumping to something else. >> In any rate, I I didn't see the to me if you're going to compare. It's hard for us to compare to um on Sego Maple Grove because you were talking about cities that are two, three, four times our size. >> Mhm. >> And we just do not have that that checkbook. >> But at the same point, >> it doesn't mean we're going to not going to be there in the next 40 years. >> Yeah. But but then we're going to have a much bigger tax base to to to work with and hopefully there's some industrial and then commercial in there. >> But I guess um in the aspect of that conversation, we saw it as a road map of where do we need to go and what aspects do we need? Do we need to spend money on baseball fields and softball fields and soccer fields and all this if you know there is another one a block away um you know in a different city and I think that would have gave us a lot of good road work um and it was disheartening that well we just don't need it when we literally talked about it in probably that was one of the bigger topics that we actually >> five minutes >> yeah we actually talked about And it was something that we I think we all saw real value in and then we get told well we just don't need it and >> well you're going to have that in in whatever community park you build you're you're going to have ball fields and soccer fields. No, I I understand that. But I think the idea that we just don't need it because it's not it's not necessary, I think would have gave us a better ballpark of where we needed to go and where we as a community grow and where that resources would have been put. And I feel like us not having that was kind of I think that was a real big disappointment by I know myself I won't speak for anybody else but um I know that was one of the like what are we doing here if we are we are all in agreement that we need something or that we think it would be a good idea and it was shot down. So I just think having a better understanding and maybe a like Dave said a better working relationship with the council um might be beneficial. Um, so maybe more work sessions or more >> FaceTime. Yeah, more time. >> And I fully agree with Carrie too on like us bringing new ideas and not just going with what the council >> right wants. I I think that's a good point as well. >> Can we ask John's perspective? You were at the council meeting, correct? When they shot that down. Can you give us >> Yeah. So, uh, it was a split vote. Well, somewhat split. So, it was a 32 uh vote in denial of it. And so just for clarity that the um the study is two parts. One was an inventory of what sports facilities were available to Dayton residents whether it was a facility within the Dayton boundaries or an adjacent city. Um and then the second part was a needs analysis of what does the city need for a a builtout population of 50,000. >> So um you know the the um builtout population scenario that's something that we have to revisit when we do the comprehensive plan. So, it's not necessarily a question of if we do it, it's when we do it. Um, the uh park commission's recommend recommendation for the study was to do it with a a um cost ceiling of $30,000. And you know, again, I don't want to speak for Scott, but I think the consensus of the council is that um it's just too much money. We don't need it right now. >> But that would have Sorry. >> That would have possibly I think I'm going to finish your sentence. I think that would have actually saved us money possibly in the future knowing where we needed to do and I believe that was one of our biggest uh reasons why we were looking >> why there was such a discussion is because we could see the value of us you know do we really need another baseball field here if there's one a block away that's you know is being used enough >> or a community park >> validity park >> so since the council has already voted on it I'm just curious is there like can it be brought back up or is this just this is >> No, we can bring it up every meeting >> and we can push it forward in every meeting if we want. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Marty, next month we would like a snippet review of that so we could approve it and push it ahead again. Please, if >> I remember correctly, you guys were split too. >> We were on the money cost, not on >> we all agreed, but it was the cost >> and we had the money in the budget. It was a perfect meeting cuz it we all got a good eyes on the budget. We said 30 was a good enough and so yeah we would like to vote on that and bring it forward again. >> Okay. Thank you, Marty. >> Any other goals? Did you go ahead? >> So I am curious. I know you guys want I mean I'm just asking you guys. I know you guys want to have a work session about a community park with city council, but what are we going to bring forth for that to actually have it be productive? >> Number one, the first thing that you got to think about it is if if you do go for the community park thing, you're going to need to ask the residents if they're willing to pay for it in a referendum. >> That would be a survey, right? >> Were we going to do another survey this year? there was going to be another Leman survey. >> Yeah. So, this has just happened at the um staff level in conversations of a community survey and we'll bring it forward to the council very soon. Um the goal is to do a community survey every two years. So, what this is, it's a phone survey where uh we have a consultant that's calling uh 400 um residents and and that's kind of statistically representative of um the city with a of many many questions. So, it's roughly a you know around an average of like a 20m minute conversation with residents on what their opinion is on many different subjects. Um when we did this a couple years ago, one of the focus was on public safety. You know, the question for the council or any of the commissions is what it what are uh questions of that are of special interest to the council or the commissions, you know, so as it relates to parks and trails, is there does um do the residents have a need for a community park and what is a community park? Um, so theoretically, uh, I think most people when they move, if they move within about 10 miles and so, um, you think of a lot of our Dayton residents are coming from, you know, whether it's at Sego, Maple Grove, Brooklyn Park, Plymouth, you know, not too far away, they all have ideas of what they were used to and kind of what their expectations are in Dayton. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Doesn't mean we couldn't have a work session later in there. Is that going to go out this year? survey. >> Yes. >> Spring, summer. >> Uh, we're thinking spring. Late, probably late spring. >> Love it. >> Yeah. I wasn't thinking working session anytime soon. I think we would need to meet as a group first to talk about >> some cuz I just don't want to show up and we not be prepared cuz that's just a waste of everybody's time. Great question. >> Agree. >> I mean, in that questionnaire or in that survey, John, you're going to really need to you're going to need to really and and we as the council need to really get on this, too. I don't know when it's going to happen, but we need to look at the community park. I mean, you're talking 30, 40 million bucks. >> You see, uh the water problems that we have in the south end, that's another 30 to 50 million bucks. So, what do we really got to have is that's going to be the a really big big big conversation. But I and all of that is talking in the next 10 15 years. >> I would say five. >> Mhm. >> At the rate things are growing. Well, the water thing is a big deal cuz it's I think it's 2036. >> 2036 is when our current agreement expires. >> But I think these are two good bigger goals for us for the >> internal working session for the trails. >> Uh working with Marty on the website to make it easier to use for trails. And then the third one, community park at the end of the year working session with council after the survey information comes out. >> Yeah, I like those. and snowmobile trail. >> Snowmobile trail is a part of our working trail. >> Yep. Never mind. Sorry. >> Okay. >> I like that. >> Do you have anything else? >> Feels realistic. I >> feel like you kicked off the conversations and we ran away with you or ran away from it. >> I think I have other ideas, but they're good for future times. I think that this is good for us to work. >> We're here now. Are you honest? >> Well, I some of it goes with it. I would like to look into an idea about a walking historical trail down downtown. So that would be with trails. >> Okay. >> Um also I know we've been talking about Goodine Park as having a boat launch. Um but I'm just wondering if we can't look at that. most of the I mean if we're going to plan anything with parks right now we got to use what we have. Um and so I was just wondering if we could take some time to actually look at it not to develop it into a park but to see how we can use natural spaces more. >> I think the one thing we're lacking in Dayton is natural spaces. >> And so we have lots of community parks. We have lots of neighborhood parks. We only have Well, Leather's Park is being developed, I know, but we only have that one little trail going through a swamp land over off of >> Vinewood. >> Vinewood. It's used all the time. People are constantly on it, but it's really small. Is there some way we can use Gdine better to put in some natural trails, natural play areas, something that uses some of that land where people can just go to be able to be in nature and have the healing power of nature. That's one of my >> I think your big hang up there is you're you're waiting for three rivers to figure out what they're doing. >> But that's our land. >> Yeah. No. Yeah. So, I guess I'm curious. I mean, >> sorry, you're you both look like you want to say something and I know I don't understand it fully. So, >> no, that's fine. >> That's why I'm bringing it up. >> So, um the good uh park um project with three rivers is probably we're just going to be um getting a bridge over the ravine and using the parking spot at the top um and adding additional parking in there. The problem with Gooden Park is it floods all the way up to where the there's a bench in there. It floods all the way up to the bench. Um on most years um so through the spring into the early summer, it's not usable. It also means that it's difficult to put any trails in there because they get washed away. >> Because they get washed away. >> Mhm. Okay. >> That's just Yeah, I'm not pooing your idea. I think there may be something that we could do in there. And I think that one of the things that we were looking at doing with um Three Rivers was trying to put some natural trails through there, but I'm not sure where that would fit in there. Um >> so that was just one thing that I thought we could look at because I'm trying to um figure out how we can use the land that we already have. >> And when I look at Dayton, the thing that I think is missing is just natural spaces. >> Sure. >> And the land that goes up for sale is all farmland. And so >> Yeah. We were talking about where the farms park is in the Brayurn area. That last little corner where those older, more mature trees are. I think it's actual golf course right now, but leaving some of that natural. >> I think that what we talked a little bit about um the homeowners association own a big plot of land up there on the let's think. I'm terrible with directions. On the east side of 117th there, there's a a big area. I can't remember how how many acres is it. It's about 10 acres or something like that. And it's all wet land and stuff. And we were looking at taking that over from the hway so they didn't have to maintain it and put some uh natural trails through there. >> That was kind of what I recall from that area. And I think that's a good opportunity to still do that. We have had some conversations with uh the homeowners association about that. So that might be something that comes through. >> There was that development off of Laurel Lake too that we discussed putting just a park bench on I want to say the northeast side of that little inlet. >> Yeah. >> Just leaving that as well. >> Yeah. I think we got some push back from the development. >> I'm sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. So the city council did not uh go with that recommendation. So there there's there I'm not surprising theme. >> Mhm. >> Sarcasm. Sorry. >> Okay. So >> Okay. >> I like the idea though of of exploring natural spaces. >> Yeah. >> Um >> I just would like to naturally >> Yeah. >> I mean, keep in mind you got all of Elm Creek Park Reserve. There's all kinds of walking paths in there. There really no paths to Elm Creek Park though. >> That's true. >> You're welcome. >> Well, I mean, you'd have to drive your car. Yeah. No different than a lot of other people do all over the country. >> Four goals right there. >> Anything else? >> No. Hey, we're all here. What else do you have? Doesn't mean we have to tackle them all this year. >> No, I know. But the idea to push it out for a few years as well, so we got goals not just for this year, but Right. So, a couple of things, a couple more things that I've just been wondering about. Well, one, I wanted to just say I love the giving garden this summer. So, I hope that you guys are I would love to see that continue. >> Mhm. We were looking to expand that as well down to the old village as well. >> I think that that would be awesome. I thought that that was I just wanted to say thank you. I thought it was great. >> I'd love to see it again. >> Yep. And then um I noticed online that there is now a sponsor, a dog treat station. I have not heard of that and I'm just curious if you could tell me any information on that. Is that going into parks? Is that I just would like >> So it's already out there. Um we got um I think six dog boxes um that we fill with treats. Um there's one in the old village. I can't remember all the parks. There's one um at Central. I think there's one in River Hills. Um >> so there's six total that have been dispersed already. >> There's six of them out there already. Is a program that Elizabeth launched last year. Um and she got six sponsors for them and they paid for all the treats. Public Works uh fabricated the boxes and we maintained them. So there six of them were sponsored already. Um some of them get more use than the others. Um, so we might end up moving some around or we might we're considering expanding the program as well. >> Cool. >> How much is it to sponsor? >> 250 I believe for the year. >> Not bad. >> Awesome. I just somehow I missed that. I don't know if it was a meeting I missed or whatever. I was just curious about it. So, thank you. And then also this last year you had asked us to send you information about memorial benches. >> Mhm. and then we never talked about it anymore. Is that something that we are going to take on as a city by giving options for the benches? The other thing that I wanted to bring up is sometimes benches are really expensive >> and so could we have options of something like memorial pavers? So, um there is a donations policy um that is already in place that covers all of that from trees to giving land to um benches and plaques um all kinds of things in there. Um you want me to email that out to you guys so you can take a look at it. Um we looked at and see if there's anything we'd like to add to that. >> Yeah. I mean, now that you brought that up, I remember we did look at the policy. Um, but I didn't see anything online and so how do people know about it? >> Generally, what's happened in the past with that is, um, people have contacted me directly about it. Um, and then I can forward that to them if we need to put the policy. If you think that's something that we need to put online, >> I don't know. >> It is online. >> Okay. It's on the park and wreck uh page >> where it shows that you can get a bench. >> Uh it says park donation policy and it goes into what you can donate. >> I don't think it gives any exact >> it's the policy itself. >> It doesn't have any exact examples of uh the park benches. Um, and I think that we were going to try and standardize two or three different styles of benches. >> And so I was just wondering if they ever got standardized cuz I don't remember ever hearing anything after >> they never got standardized. >> Um, and then I just wanted to yeah give the option of what about memorial pavers because when I looked into those those are around $125 to $400. That's a lot different than a bench. >> And so would there be places like in leathers or in Elsie Steven? If we're if we're building these things up, then should we think about areas where something like that could go in? >> Okay. >> So, that was just another thought. >> Good list. I'm exhausted. >> You told us to come. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT HIM TODAY. >> You told us to come prepared. So I >> You gave him enough for 2028. >> Perfect. >> So I came prepared. >> Yeah, >> I appreciate it. >> Take it how you want. >> No, that's perfect. That's perfect. That's kind of what we're looking for is is stuff like that. >> And this is just a discussion. And we're not like voting on doing these goals or anything, right? >> No. Um I think that what we want was to get your goals together. So we got we can put a document together and we have a a root map that where we're going to get to prioritize those. I think we prioritize them a little bit tonight. Um >> yeah. >> Um and then I got to figure out where I go with all this information. >> No rush. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Well, no rush. >> No rush. It's just I came with itis. >> We'll see you in April, right? You're lucky. I am not that lucky. Yeah. No, thank you. I've got a lot to work on that. Anything else that you guys might have thought about? >> I don't think so. >> Wait, let me go back. >> Did all the work. >> She did a great job. So, for our goals that we would talk to the council is more trail development. We'll have an internal trail discussion, prioritize things, talk about snowmobile trail, talk about possible historical walk in Oldtown. Um, better trail information on the website. I work with Marty on that. Donate Carrie's time for it. Um, >> I'll help where I can. >> Then possible work session with the council this fall after we get the survey information back. And then really looking into natural spaces that we can turn into parks >> and celebrate a bad day our birthday >> more natural space marks. All right. >> Okay. >> Everybody agree? >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Fantastic. What else we got? Marty >> take that question maybe. >> When do we want to have our work session on the trails? Should that be something we do in this sooner months than later so we can have a better road map once again? >> Well, I think it kind of depends. I mean, the city has to be able to get information all gathered to us. So, I would like to let Marty say >> determine when we >> Yeah. Because that's a lot of work to do. >> Yeah. We >> So, it wouldn't be April. Did you What month were we going to go through the parks? May. Y >> May June in the parks July we usually don't >> get together depending on how the dates land. >> So yeah work session mayor June it's not going to get any easier coming up but >> No it isn't. >> Um >> all we needed were the big maps current trails uh trails we identified before. Yeah, because we need to know when they're going to be we need to know the ones we've already identified and when they're going to be constructed, that timeline. >> Sure. >> And then all the city easements along the roads that would help us as well. >> Okay. All right. Uh let me start pulling some of that stuff together. Um, and then maybe at the I'm not going to say next meeting, the meeting after then I can show you a rough draft of where we're at and see if that meets what you are expecting and then we can make changes and then we can set a date. >> I like it. >> Sounds good. >> Thank you, Marty. >> We put a lot on you. We appreciate you. >> I do. >> When's your birthday? Can we make that like a holiday for the city? It'll be a retirement coming up pretty soon. >> Yeah, pretty soon. >> Hey, now we can't get rid of this in place. >> Long as what? >> The van shelter is in place, then you can retire. >> Yeah, we don't want to get rid of you yet. >> All right. So, uh, next meeting, Tuesday, April 7th. >> Works for me. >> I may not, but I'll explain off of line. >> Sure thing. Cool. Good for you. Fantastic. All right. I'll entertain a motion. >> I move to adjourn this meeting. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Meeting adjourned.