the city of Dayton Parks Commission for October 7th, 2025. >> Let's stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Thank you. Um call for any changes, additions, deletions to the agenda. >> Nope. >> Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to approve the agenda. All motion. >> I'll second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> All oppose. Same sign. >> All right. On to the consent agenda. Approval of the parks commission minutes from last month. >> I'll motion. >> I'll second. >> Uh, all in favor say I. >> I. I. >> All oppose. Same sign. >> Dave, I think you're going to need to announce that Ka is remote and have to introduce her remote so >> just an announcement uh chairperson Kaia is remote today and will be attending via video >> chairperson can't win them all right open form limited to three minutes do we have anybody here online to talk >> yes Dan Williams from MSA Dan Williams from MSA. Hi Dan Williams. >> Hi Dan Williams. This is the open form part. Are you part of the presentation today? >> Yeah. >> Fantastic. Thank you for coming. All right. Uh council update. All right. Uh Councilman Sloan is not here tonight. Uh Marty, do you have any updates? Um I don't have anything specifically from the council but um just on project update um the irrigation systems are all in and running now. Um public works have uh receded um areas at Elsie Stevens um Aiden Hills Iron Gardens and uh Sundance Woods. >> So those are all being irrigated. Um and they're starting Hayden Hills is starting to look really nice. It's was so clumpy before. Now we're getting a a full It's filling in nicely. So that's good. Um Area 21 park. Um we have got the trails in now. Um all the court sports courts are paved. Um we won't be able to get those marked until spring next year. Um just because of timing. Um the oil needs to come out of the uh black top before we can put the the seal the sealant down on top of that. So, it's going to be um spring next year before we get to that. Um seeding. Um we're toying with the idea of either dormant seeding it or coming back in the spring to seed that as well. Um we're talking to a couple of seed manufacturers and getting some expert advice on that. Um but we're going to get as much done this year as we possibly can. It's pretty close to grading. They've still had the irrigation system to run in over there uh at the moment. So, they're still moving along with that. Sure. >> Um and then that's all I have. >> Where are we at with naming that park? Have you gotten any submissions? >> Yeah, we have about 75 submissions. >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah. >> Nice. >> That's awesome. >> We get to see the whole >> We're going to close it on the 15th, I believe, of this month. Um, and then as staff, we're gonna come up with like the top three and then we'll let the city kind of vote on it from there. >> Cool. >> Anything else from the city? >> All right. Thank you. All right. On to the regular meeting. Uh, we have MSA here for Elise Stevens Park master plan update. Uh, do you know? Hi, I can see everyone or I guess you right. I I was just gonna comment that I cannot see anything, but I do have my packet if it's if the slides are in there. >> Sure. I can uh just verbally let you know which which slide I'm on. >> I don't think I don't think the slides are in the packet. >> Oh, they they aren't. >> No, it's just >> Okay, >> maybe Zoom should be able to be sure. >> Yeah, I can try to email it to her. I think I should be able to. How about now? >> Oh, yep. There we go. Oh, thank you. Perfect. All right. Hi, everyone. Great to be here with you again. Uh, looking forward to walking you through this. So, I've got a couple of slides put together here. I know you've also got all the information in your packet. So, what I'd like to do is just kind of run you through it first and then we can circle back on any questions. How does that sound? >> Sounds good. >> Okay. So, from the September board meeting, uh we heard that you want to maintain the unique character of the park uh as an important portion of this update as well as provide a destination experience at LC Stevens. So based on that feedback uh that we heard as well as continuing conversations with both Marty and John, uh we've refined the previous two concepts that we took a look at down into one uh final draft concept. So I'll move through um since it is kind of a big park, I've got it broken up into the two slides. Um one with the northwest portion, one with the south uh southeast portion. So, moving from uh that northwest portion of the park down into it, uh coming in from the main entrance, we've got the uh old um sort of silos, historic foundations over here that uh were showing as being redeveloped into a destination splash pad and playground uh experience here in this enlargement one area. Uh this area will be linked with the rest of the park through a series of pathways as well as uh the road connection to the proposed kayak launch and the central area. Uh moving further east in the park bringing brings you to this provo proposed pavilion area at uh number four. Um the adjacent parking area will have room for about 115 plus uh we're showing it as 117 uh parking spaces on site uh directly adjacent to the pavilion. Uh this will have a roll curb around it to allow cars to get up onto the grass uh for events like the car show or for staging or even just for regular maintenance and plowing needs. Nice to have that ability to just roll on through and not have to worry about curb or vehicle damage. Uh following along through the park, uh we come through along the pathways to the central uh destination experience uh that will feature uh interactive art and seating area that'll take advantage of these views out to the river as well as provide a focal point coming through the tunnel and down the pathway. Continuing to move west or east west west to east through the park. We've got a series of mode pathways in the expanded uh native planting area here that can be modified as needed, you know, depending on seasonality, plants, ground conditions. It's nice to have that flexibility within the pathways. There'll also be a an aggregate path running along the river to provide access on multiple levels to to the rest of the park coming up. uh along there through clip was coming along this pathway as well along the river there'll be a series of boardwalks and overlooks that will provide fishing access and more views out into the river since that was mentioned as a really key part of this park. So, moving down into the clo what's the what's called the clo overlook part of this park. We've got that series of aggregate pathway um connections continuing down along the river and connecting via a boardwalk back up into uh this very southern portion of the park. Uh around this part of the park will feature a ninja warrior style ropes course. Right now we've got that called out. Something a little different. Uh certainly creating a unique park's experience. We're also calling for expanded parking in this part of the park as well to support the um the play opportunity or the recreation opportunity up there, a picnic pavilion and as well as restroom facilities. All right. So, now that we've gone just a quick overview, uh we'll circle back to the two enlargement areas to take a look in greater detail at some of those. So, this first zoom out a little bit here. So this first enlargement area, enlargement area one, this is uh where we're taking a specific look at the historic features. So this is really going to focus on the history of LC Stevens Park. And to that we're going to we propose to reutilize the existing silos as either concessions, rentable facilities, uh repurposing as a restroom facility to support the splash pad in the play area. the existing stone foundation uh remnants from the barn will be repurposed into what we think is a really unique play opportunity. So since that's a sloped foundation or a sloped ramp up to that the top of that existing foundation, there's an opportunity to to do a really cool accessible ramp so you can have multiple accessible levels of play in the same play experience. Um also taking, you know, advantage of the fact that that's just really cool. uh throughout this area. We're proposing more uh shade structure as well as tree planting to help create shade overneath over the play area and to support the splash pad to separate the spaces uh between from the path the splash pad. We're proposing a gabian wall structure. Uh we've got some pictures of that later on to tie into that stone foundation wall and create that continued sense of history. The old barn will see new life as a proposed picnic shelter or a facility of some type, whether that's an interpretive center or a shelter to support uh people coming along the bike path. This area directly adjacent to the splash pad play area will have about 32 stalls. Um there's another additional I want to say like 12 stalls proposed up by the kayak launch and there's another um 10 or so that just aren't on this part of the slide. So moving into the heart of the park in this enlargement area too. Uh this is where a lot of acti activity is going on. The main structure in here, the pavilion right now we're showing is 7,000 square ft. Uh this will have room for restrooms, concessions. uh it'll fit about 200 people seated or 200 people standing, 120 people seated if there's a need to hold events, things like that in there. With the grade change out here, this allows for this building to be two stories like the house that's out there now with a walkout space underneath that could be used for storage um as needed for the park. That also allows this upper area to have to maintain great views out to the river and to the stage and the amphitheater as well. So, moving in through the park, uh, this gray area in here we're proposing or we're showing as a bioluminescent pathway. That aggregate gets mixed gets seated on the top of the concrete. Has a 20-year lifespan. But we feel this will be something that gives the park a really unique um thing that there's not other places that'll add to the experience of people coming here for for concerts. At the stage, we're showing the expanded amphitheater area um continuing from where it currently sits. The stage will be enlarged from approximately 700 square ft now to what we're showing is 1,600. So, a little more than double, giving the opportunity for for more acts, larger acts to come and perform with the expanded seating area. This walkway through here will also feature uh pergolas to continue the the farm theme in here with swinging benches as more unique seating opportunities. This play area here uh will be or we're showing a play area here, you know, close enough to the amphitheater that if you've got someone who wants to, you know, run over there instead of sit and listen to the music, you can still hear the music from the play area, but it has its own separate uh independent location. All right. So, now I'm going to run us through the the big numbers part of it. Big dreams, big uh ideas come with come with a price tag. So, to help with that, we've broken it down into five separate individual phases um that don't necessarily have to depend on each other with the exception of phase E. Phase E being the pavilion structure. obviously needs support facilities like parking to exist, but otherwise there's there's no sort of prescribed order of these. They're just simply lettered going west to east for the most part. >> And you've done it by geographic position, correct? That's the parts. >> Correct. Yeah. There there's no there's no sort of order. It's simply geography with the exception of the pavilion. So, some basic assumptions before we get into this part. Uh these estimated costs are all in 20 $25 um with uh some contingency in there for the uh play area and the repurposing of the historical structures and foundations. We have an allowance currently in there. Some of those structures uh we recommend there's further further architectural study to get a to get a a very accurate idea of what those costs would be. So, we have provided an allowance in there for those repurposing. Currently, uh overall, all the phases combined, we're estimating between just shy of 17 to 20 million. Phase uh phase A uh will contain the bulk of the costs for extending water and sewer service to the park to support the splash pad. Uh like I mentioned, historic structure renovation costs are an allowance only and will require further evaluation. Uh as a note, the play area utilizes the play area costs included in this utilize those corded place surfacing instead of like the loose engineered wood fiber. Phase B uh will also contain um some reconstruction costs, minor repairs to the existing paving area. So, we'll roll into this because this may be a better way to take a look at it. So, so this is what we're labeling as phase A. This is the uh kind of what we looked at in enlargement one. It's the play area splash pad historic structures renovation. Uh as well as the additional supporting parking and the pathway connections out to the rest of the park like this this spur here moving out towards the river would be proposed as well. So, this features uh the splash pad, the multi-level accessible play area. Uh you can see in pictures the two pictures on the right hand side. Like I mentioned, we're also proposing a gabian seat wall to separate the uh seating area adjacent to the splash pad from the pathway through the area also to connect the sense of identity through the park. And then uh the fourth uh image on the slide here is potential you know con conceptual idea of repurposing of the silo structures. So phase A we currently have estimated as a price tag of 5.1 million and again that uh includes only an allowance for the historic structures currently. Phase B is the bulk of the parking at the center of the park as well as the expansion of the amphitheater area, the bioluminescent pathway, swing benches, this expanded play area. A note, the parking expansion in here also includes the bulk of the storm water management for this park. With the increased of with the increase in imperous surfaces, there'll be a need for storm water management. Um, we've accounted for this uh by taking the storm water needs into account in the center of the parking island or in the center of the parking lot. So instead of just getting, you know, a sea of paving that's in the that's divorced from the rest of the park, you're integrating the storm water and the parking into the park. So it's not um so it keeps that identity of a more natural setting. So, picture one is probably uh gives you a sense of what some of that storm water that integrated storm water management into a parking lot could look like. Uh picture two on the upper right is a conceptual idea of what those swinging benches along the pergola going towards the amphitheater could be. Sorry, can I I'm going to move you over. Uh image three there on the right is the the bioluminescent aggregate pathway. uh image four there the shade sales that would be going over the top of the expanded stage area and then five a new play area in here as well. So the price t or the current cost estimate for this phase B would be 3.7 million. Uh phase C would be the the pathways connecting the two parts of the park as well as the interactive art and seating opportunities here. This cost estimate also includes the boardwalk overlooks and uh potential fishing area access along the river as well as let's see yeah as well as the mode pathways through here. Um I should mention all of these phases do include some additional lighting as well. So moving kind of in here just some fun conceptual ideas for what you could you know dream about for some conceptual or for some interactive art. Uh tree of life is um a sort of tree of life type image is shown in the left the upper left image. Boardwalks, river overlooks, you can see in the images two and three. And then some potential interactive art seating opportunities could be kind of fun looking out at the river while sitting in the the um binocular eyes there. Real real photo opportunity. Uh phase what we're calling phase C here we currently have estimated at 1.1 million. Phase D is the expansion of the Coke overlook um opportunities. This is the remote nature path, the ninja style ropes course experience up top. The expanded restroom facility is the pathway with the distance markers. Uh so you can mark out about a third of mile so you can do three laps about and get your get your steps in. Uh opportunities for fitness uh stations along the pathway as well and then the additional restroom facilities up here. Uh this current this and expanded parking should mention that we've got about 40 spaces in here. This the current cost estimate for this phase phase D we have at 1.8 million. And then the the biggest ticket I biggest single ticket phase in here is phase E. So this is the pavilion expansion in here. Like I mentioned, this could be or we're showing this currently as a twole potential space. So this image in the middle here shows what uh that could be. So you've got a river or you've got the overlook and the deck up top and potential maintenance storage down below. Um the cost for this is really going to depend the cost for this building is really going to depend on the type of building, the interior needs, the buildout, the obviously the systems. If you have an enclosed building and heating heated spaces, that's uh a higher price tag than an open pavilion style building. So we're we showed a range of prices for this building from for this phase uh from 5.2 to 7.3 million. of building costs for this part of the for this part of the phase would be between three and 4.5 million again depending on building type. So that is the end of the phasing here. So I'll move back up at the top and I'm sure there's probably some questions out there. questions. Colin, >> starting off with phase E. Um, >> love it. Um, I'm always thinking, how do we turn this into potentially a way to pay off with uh with income? >> Uh, would the 7.3 include something that would be enclosed that we could do for weddings and events and that type of stuff for a little? >> Yeah. So, we pulled a couple character images. These are actually um so the the top image here on the top left and the middle image here these are um these are projects that were recently built. So we've used these as as cost comparisons. So these would be more in you know the the 7.3 package we'll call it. >> Okay. But that'd be potential then to have that be an event space that we could you know we're going to pay more but we could obviously get it back with rentals and that kind of stuff. M be it would be overlooking the way it's set up to face. Would it be overlooking the river or it be sideways or >> So let me let me zoom in a little bit here. >> So So your main entrance to to the you know pavilion structure would be through here off the parking lot. This back area in here uh this would be this could be open structure. Um, so that way you could have like a covered deck type area. You could do the garage door style thing and flip up as well or do the garage door thing. And so you could flip those up for open space as well. But that's that's the general conceptual idea here is this this would be your potential, you know, open space views out to the river type of thing. >> Cool. Um, now you say it's 5.2 to 7.3. Uh given the sorry to make you zoom out, but the lowest uh picture where it's completely open air, what would that price tag be compared to? >> That would be closer to the $3 million building >> for a plain nothing building. >> Yeah. So, this this one would also you can kind of see this is this is more for a style idea. There would be still some restroom facilities going as part of this building, mechanical room. Um I didn't want to do that. But yes, yeah, that a more open air structure would be sort of that that lower um we'll call it the base range. >> Yep. >> I personally love the idea of bringing some of the old aspects in. I know I talked to great lengths at last meeting about that. Um so I'm not going to beat a dead horse on there, but I do like the idea of us bringing some of that to be used. Um, I know the prices are estimate because I see like a stop sign's $500. I'm guessing Marty, I hope you're not buying $500 stop signs, but if you do, I want to be that supplier. Um, but uh, so I know some of the numbers will be lower once it goes through and some will be higher. So, I do appreciate all the numbers here. >> Yeah. Yeah, and I'll make a note on the um to that end, the the spreadsheet, the cost estimate spreadsheet that you see in your packets. You may notice that there's some highlight item, there's some line items that are still highlighted. Those are ones that we want to continue to investigate and highlight and fully flush out before um we feel that these are, you know, still accurate and appropriate, but just as a note, you know, some of those allowance numbers are in there as allowances. And we have included a fairly robust contingency on this which as we get more firmed up on the design then those numbers and the contingency will shrink as well. >> Yes. Thank you. >> I don't know if everyone can hear me or not. I just have two kind of comments from this that uh first of all I feel like um I must say you did a really good job of listening to all of our feedback and incorporating it really well. Um, and second, I I at least from an initial reaction perspective, see this as something that would really draw people to the park from all around. Um, even the, you know, those little touches like the bioluminescent pathways and the interactive art, like that's that's the kind of stuff that gets you featured in, you know, stories and magazines and stuff and then people go, "Oh, yeah, that's cool. I want to go check that out." So, um, I think that's really, really unique. >> Thank you, Kai. I appreciate the feedback. >> So, I do have a question because you talked about putting in a ropes course at Cloquet. There is a playground already there. So, I'm just curious, um, Marty, from you the perspective, how many years is it? like what's the estimate time when you would replace that anyways? Because I kind of feel like >> why te I mean the ropes course is awesome but if we already have a playground there why tear it out if it's still good. So from a safety standpoint, it's generally 20 to 25 years um for a playground. That one is was put in I'm guessing around 2008 cuz it was just after I started here. So it's coming up to >> So it is coming up. Okay, >> that's great. I just wanted to make sure that we were if we do that that we're doing it >> in the right timing. I think it's actually on our CIP for replacement in 2028 or something along those lines. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um, are you able to get the this presentation? We don't have some of the rendering pictures. Can you send that out to us? Can we get a copy of that, Marty? >> You mean the slideshow? >> Yeah, I can. I can definitely send the slideshow to you guys. I guess Mike, I just have a comment of hefty price tag. Love it. Love the thought, the design, the idea. Let's do it. But it's this in my mind versus the sports complex. >> You kind of got to pick one or the other. and all the sports unless there's huge grants which I heard you guys talking about some grants that we could possibly get. But >> I think that's going to be part of the this whole deal um to get it through. It's going to be a grant situation and maybe we'll have to have a referendum for the the parks um on a thing. This this isn't going to get built this year. So, right. >> So, we got a bit of time to figure all those things out, but I think that ultimately the two things are going to be different. Um this is G, you know, the the park. Um there'll probably be a community park for, you know, bigger events. Um you know, the the car show will probably move to a community park. Um bigger concerts would go to a community park. We would also need um a sports complex as well. I don't like using the word sports complex, but that's how I describe it at the moment. Um for you know, all your baseball needs and your all the sports things that we do with CDAA. and we would work with CDAA to fund that. Um, so I think at the end of the day there's three needs there and I think this is we don't want to confuse this as being it's definitely not going to be the sports park but it's definitely not going to be the community park either. It's going to be a standalone destination park um for the city. So I that's my personal opinion. >> And we also don't even have land right now for a community park. Correct. So >> Exactly. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> but it is part of the conversation I feel, you know. >> Mhm. Sure. Is this Marty? Is this uh price tag in line with an with your anticipation or >> Yeah. My anticipation was around 20,000 for the project. >> You mean the trails part of the project? >> 20 million. Sorry. Sorry. 20,000 plus a few notes. 120% contingency. >> I think it's small again. What's that? >> 1,020% contingency. >> Um, so coming from Sou Falls, Souf Falls in the last probably 5 years or so, they've really tapped into utilizing sponsors of parks. So, not just having the city front the bill. Have we looked at any parts? I know Graco has their headquarters here. Um, a bunch of different companies are starting to come here. Have we looked at partnering with any of these places that maybe will give us, you know, not saying $20 million, but if anyone is watching this right now and would like to give us $20 million, uh, Marty's phone number will give you it to you if you want to write that check. >> Okay. Um, but have we looked at any way to utilize and tap into some of them resources that might be able to make it more fast for us? >> Yeah, I think that that's a really uh a good um point. Um, we haven't done anything actively on this. Um, we're waiting to the these companies are kind of new to us, so we really haven't tapped into them, but obviously uh there's sponsorship efforts and naming rights and all those things that we can uh start tapping into. Um, we just haven't done anything about it just yet. Um, I think that, you know, this would be a really good starting point for those kind of conversations to have with those people, but definitely is something that we would definitely look into doing. >> Cool. Because Yeah. I mean, especially if we do even half of the amazing things in this, there's going to be a lot of people coming to this. So, >> I think that would be a good >> partnership there. >> And you have to do it right. You can't just shoot from the hip. >> Yep. And I think that, you know, we're going to be looking at all different kinds of funding opportunities. There's a lot of grants out there. We were talking about it earlier today. Um, uh, MSA have got a grant ex expert at their uh company. So, we're going to touch base with them and see, you know, where we can get funding from and apply for everything that's out there. Um, three Rivers Park District pointed me in the direction of a grant that might help us up to $500,000 on part of this project. And it's a repeating grant. So, if you get it one year, you can keep asking for the grant going forward. So, >> no matching part of that grant. >> Uh, there's not that I'm aware of at this moment. I haven't dug into that too far yet, but I don't think Free Rivers added any participation in that. They just got the the full uh they didn't get the full grant that they asked for, but they got close to it. >> Fantastic. >> So, >> fundraiser for the city at all. Bake sale from Marty. >> Yeah. >> A lot of cookies. >> A lot of cookies. >> Brad, do you have something? in Sou Falls. Were they naming like the entire park or different pl like you know would it be like Greyco swings at LC Stevens Park and you know would it be you know there was a lot of different things. Um there was a dog park that this individual donated the whole amount for and they built it all. There was this ribbon park that they just built um that was named out for different parts where so like the amphitheater could be you know whatever. So there there would be some really cool naming ideas and I think realistically >> you could also do something similar with that art structure in interactive art area like they did at Oon's Field where they put all of the donor names on the giant MN UFC's. Uh you could definitely figure out like how to make an art piece that integrates donor names too >> and even like shared you know like the U is now gone to the spot like 3M Maruchi Arena like they're obviously have the Maruchi family behind it but they also have the 3M side you know >> for the longest time basketball jerseys didn't have anything and now NBA WNBA jerseys have anything you can think of on there and say hey if it's I mean to us to roll back and say, "Hey, we're going to approve this. It's going to be 20 million, but between grants and sales we came in with, it's only going to be 10 million." >> Yeah. >> You know, that totally changes it for taxpayers and when we're looking for additional help. >> For sure. Yeah. I think that that would be, you know, to try and reduce the the burden to the city is is part of the whole process. You know, it's very difficult for a city like that to raise $20 million, right? >> Um for a project like this. So that part of the you build out just like the water trails is going to be supply asking for grants left, right, and center. And that's the way this thing is going to get done. >> Is there any thought to bring you from the EDA to see if there's any businesses that want to start sponsoring? >> Um I haven't heard anything from EDA currently. Um, John, is is that anything that you >> But I think this is probably the first project that we've had that is the right project to uh start asking for those funds. >> A neighborhood park isn't really what they're going to put their name on. This is going to be a destination. So, it' be attracting people and giving them some good good advertising. So I I know know that a lot of corporations will or larger corporations will have a foundation that donates monies to different causes with their causes that are in align with that corporation. So it's not necessarily you know Graco as being a a home community. It's you know what what value you know in I I'm not sure what Graco would donate to but certain companies that only donate for certain causes. might not be >> we get that >> the home city >> but 20,000 here 15,000 there it >> something like the ropes course or it fits into like the the mission of active active participation in the outdoors would be a good opportunity >> possibly even like the Minnesota historical society or something for the siloed area or I don't know other historical >> groups might be interested in that >> river in the name >> some farmer who wants their name to >> not be there. You know where the house is now. >> Deans or is it Deans? Is that how you say it? >> There's Deans. There's Leans. >> No, I miss >> Wallhammer knock on his door. >> Mhm. >> He's got money. >> Any other comments, questions, concerns? So, with the with the place play area right next to the water, the splash pad. Um, I'm just curious if you could explain the play area a little bit more. Sure. >> Just as a mom, if >> Sure. >> of kids like sometimes you have that fear and that worry of going from they're going to want to run between both. >> Mhm. So, is it going to be safe for wet bodies and wet feet and and then not bringing in sand or anything else that's going to ruin the water feature, >> right? So, I think I may have just only very briefly mentioned the surfacing we're showing in here. That's the poured in place, not like the wood fiber or the sand. >> So, that's a rubber type thing that's poured in place and it stays there so doesn't move with the feet. >> So, it's it's like a solid surface, not like a loose fill or anything. It's not like the spongy. >> Yeah, the spongy stuff. >> It's the spongy stuff. Okay, cool. >> Yep. Spongy, but it's safety surfacing. >> It's not sand. It's not wood chips. >> Yep. It's Yeah, the I think the color is probably a little deceiving here. It looks a little wood chip like, but it's we're in the cost estimate we accounted for doing a that poured in place surface. So, the single bouncy squishy stuff to to that effect. You know, you don't want that sand, you know, getting in your splash pad equipment. Um, and you also want to provide, you know, a non-slip surface as well. So, >> right. >> Um, and that's kind of one of the reasons we've got this shade structure in here is to provide, you know, sight lines into both the splash pad and the play area. We've seen in a lot of instances where, you know, there's a standalone splash pad in one area and a standalone, you know, playground in another area having some, you know, some not exactly ideal crossover. You know, someone wants to go here, someone wants to go there. you kind of have to move from one spot of the park to the other spot of the park to the other spot of the park and back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. And having them kind of right next to each other but still separated we feel gives sort of the a little bit of the best of both worlds situation while still maintaining that safety. >> Okay. >> That's also kind of why we have this seat wall in here too to provide some buffering so you don't get, you know, someone just screaming for the hill. >> Thank you. And you said that the bathroom changing area potentially could be the like the reused >> silo structures. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely one potential. You don't always see, you know, shower restroom facilities with splash pads. A lot of times it's just um a standalone or not shower facilities. You usually see restroom facilities, but >> yeah. I know um Champlain's Andrews Park has Yeah. not showers, but just like two I think it's just like two stalls but with a bench and then it's easy enough to just >> hop in there and get changed. >> Yeah. And we're we're working on a splash pad installation right now where that's it's at an existing park and so they're um using the existing park building as sort of like the electrical mechanical unit. One last question I have for the I know you talked a little bit about the plaza um and having that as the bottom as you know storage and whatnot. Is there um an option? I mean I'm guessing there's a lot of options that we could have but that we could actually utilize that for another type of event like you know some type of space that people could rent out or like additional bathrooms and stuff like that. It wouldn't have to just be storage, I'm guessing. >> Yeah, I think that should that's definitely part of the conversation moving forward with that. >> Cool. Anybody else once going twice? >> So, all right. >> Fantastic. Thank you. So, what I need from you guys is um to re I need you to vote to recommend this uh for approval to the council. >> I move to recommend this to the council. >> I second. [Laughter] >> All in favor say I. >> I same time. >> Fair enough. I was scared you were going to ask us to break out our checkbooks. >> David. Hey, as long as we get our little >> collect all my money from coming here. >> We get a little plaque, don't we, for us voting that in, right? >> It will be really small. >> Name plates. >> I want to say thank you all so much for for your comments. You know, it's it's been great working through this with you. >> Awesome. Thank you for all your hard work. We appreciate it. >> All right. Uh any other notices or announcements before we >> um I don't currently have anything for the next uh park commission. Um >> glad you brought that up. >> Is there anything that you want to put on the agenda? Um there is potential for one thing. Um we're trying to do some concept work for reuse in uh diamond uh lake diamonds where the old public workshop is uh to improve that uh for use by CDAA. I know we the P commissioner has spoken about you know doing something with the fields that we already have. There's a potential for some upgrades there um working with MSA to put some concepts that might be available for the next meeting but that's about what I have currently. Um the only other thing I can think of and uh we have not officially voted for our chairperson. Do you want to throw that on the next agenda? >> Yeah. When when did we bring you in? It said I thought it was >> two years or a year ago. >> It's supposed to be in August according to our orientation paperwork that you sent out. >> Yeah. >> I actually read just just for the record. See, >> did you find it helpful since you weren't a part of putting it together? >> Yeah, I think so. There was a lot of information in there and it was very knowledge knowledgeable. So >> good >> Marty. Um budget. As we know, cities and counties are going through budget season. Let's get a look at where we're at with our budget moving forward. >> Do you want the words out of my mouth? >> You want this year's budget or >> both? what we're projecting into 26 kind of where we ended up with this year's money and then with that um going through the parks individually to get a status on where everything is at and an estimated completion date. >> I also think it would be uh beneficial for us to know because I know you are a man of many hats even though I've never seen you wear a hat. Um but um I know you have just a broad span of employees. Can you like explain more maybe next meeting too about where what you are needing from the city and the aspect of you know if we do some of these projects what you need for upkeep in that aspect >> okay I'm not having anything I got a lot of work here >> well I think it would be fair to say that >> November December >> you know those are items we would like to see >> the other for me too uh where Did we ever end up on the North Diamond Lake? Um the little stoplight that was going to feed into Vinewood there. >> Oh yeah, we got >> Do you have an update on that? >> I can get an update. Uh the North Date Trail. Yeah, >> I have some uh engineering stuff for that. So yeah, I can pull that together as well. All right. >> Off hand, do you know if the DNR what kind of timeline they have for the new boat launch in Oldtown? >> 2026. >> Oh, nice. Sweet. Um, >> yeah, that's uh we're still working with them on a couple of different um changes and alterations they want. Um the price tag came in significantly higher than they were anticipating, but that hasn't sheld the project. Um we're working through a few issues there, >> but Okay, cool. >> Uh the anticipation is 2026 build. >> In 2026, can we schedule a meeting at the park like we did last year? Let's check out all the things that we did. Probably June or August, something like that. Fair weather. >> Yeah, I think that's a good idea. >> I haven't done that since being here. >> What? >> No. >> The LC didn't ring two years ago. >> Yeah, that's a few years ago now. Yeah, it was probably fall 23. >> Anybody have a minivan? We can all climb into short bus. You want to go for You want to go park hopping? >> Why not? >> Yeah, >> we put a lot of effort in. >> I mean, I love that idea. >> Yeah. >> Could we TBD even do one in November if it's what? Decent. >> I'm game. >> I'm down. >> I mean, because not all this has to be discussed in November. It could go December as well. >> So, if we' be good to see the budget, though, >> even if it's emailed out. >> True. >> Yep. >> All right. >> True. I'm just saying from a weather perspective, if we have a night like this in November, >> a night like this is going to be like pitch black. >> Yeah. >> November 3rd. >> November. >> Yep. Because daylight savings time is November 1st. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think the common sense >> maybe in May. >> Sounds like May. >> A meteorologist in Sou Falls just posted something that >> Thank you. >> We won't have it. Well, for the rest of the year, >> last time did we do it in October and it got dark green away, right? Yeah. >> Okay. Is that all from Ernie? Ka, anything, Dad? >> No. >> All right. Thank you. >> Oh, did everyone see the invite for the uh the Christmas party deal? Everyone get that? >> I think last year from the city. >> Oh, Christmas party. >> Deans. >> The Deans. You got you >> Marty's brisket and barbecue. Everybody gets a bag of chips >> from Deans. >> No, at Deans. The citywide deal. >> Christmas birdie. Yeah, Christmas. >> Oh, yeah. This been sent out already. >> It's already been sent out. Yeah. So, you guys haven't gotten last year. It was only John and myself. >> So, we can get the whole team to show up. That'd be awesome. >> You're talking December. I live. Yeah. December. I know where both of you live. You'll be in Hawaii. >> Yeah. >> No. No. I won't. That's the 10th. I'll be here. You're talking about >> Sundance. >> Oh, not Dean. Sorry, I got >> Sundance early December 10th. Yes. >> Yes. >> Ka, can you make that? Did you get that invite? >> You're invited. >> Yeah. I mean, it's a middle of a day sort of thing. And I just started a new job, so I don't have a lot of vacation time. >> Gotcha. >> Yeah. Congrats on the new game. >> Congrats on the new job. >> Thank you. >> Great. >> Um, I'll go It's on my calendar. I'll represent us if someone else wants to go have >> I'll go. >> I can probably get there, too. >> In my opinion, it's just great because I feel like so often we're isolated and to interact with the other parts of the city. I think >> I thought it was good good last year. Are we going to do >> fun at the parade last year, too? It was cold, but it was fun. >> December 4th. >> December 4th. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Thursday the 4th. Um, >> it we're planning on starting the parade at 6:15, I think. >> Okay. >> And then pictures with Santa and tree lighting and everything following here at city hall. >> Yep. >> And then the one party is December 10th. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. From noon at sundance. >> And our meeting is the same week as a parade. >> That'd be the second. Okay. Anything else? Anybody? >> All right. Call for motion to adjourn meeting. >> Next meeting. Did we discuss >> next meeting? Tuesday, November 4th. >> Yeah, it's election day, isn't it? >> My birthday. >> We don't have anything on the >> apparently. Yeah, Marty said we don't have anything. We can come in for cake and pizza. >> School election is this year. >> School board. Okay, >> we could do the third. Monday the 3rd. >> Mondays don't work for me. I'm sorry. >> Wednesday the 5th. Anything else here? >> Wednesday. >> Wednesday works for me. >> Everyone okay? Wednesday the 5th. Yep. Yep. >> Um I won't be here but that's okay. >> I'll be out of town. Sorry I'm leaving that day. And you've gone the rest of the week then? >> That first week? Yeah. >> Can we do the following but use the Monday? Could we do the 12th of November? >> City meeting. >> Oh, I don't have that on my calendar. >> But you know, we're not going to see this after 7 p.m. >> You know, there's just some things this brain >> I don't think I've missed any. So, if you guys need to do it on the 5th, I'll just miss. But I could do it the next airport. I'm kidding. Three a year. >> Hey, will this voter in this chair? >> All right. The fifth it is. >> November 5th. >> Next meeting. >> All right. Now I call for a motion to adjourn the meeting. >> I move. Is there a >> second? >> I'll second. >> All in favor say I. I. >> I. All oppose. Same sign. Meeting adjourned.