All right. Um, any call or any changes or additions to the agenda? Seeing none. Entertain a motion to approve the meeting notes. >> All motion. >> Car first. >> I'll second. >> Luke second. Awesome. Thank you. Open form. uh limited to three minutes. Do we have anybody here to speak or online for open forum? >> Nope. >> Okay. >> Fantastic. >> Uh council consent. >> Yes, he did the consent. >> Are we good to go? Moving on to the council update. Uh, Councilman Sloan, do you have an update for us? >> A little bit. Uh, first off that says Tuesday, August 5th on it. >> I did put it together. >> Just a minor deal. Uh, let's see. We met the other day with uh MSA in uh reference to some of their preliminary designs on the uh Stevens Park. Uh they did a survey with the uh public with the residents. The top five concerns of residents were restrooms, water play, some sort of a pavilion over the uh entertainment area, native landscaping and trails, and some sort of playground equipment. Of the three designs, uh I don't know how many people did, but I certainly sent in my uh little map. uh they asked for uh what the uh park commission committee would uh would like to see there. Also, of the three designs that MSA came up with, they had three designs. Some addressed one of the main points in the all three designs was parking was very lacking in the U designs. Uh, one design had a maximum of 70 stalls and it was general consensus that was nowhere near what would be required out of that park. Um, and someday we'll get events that'll hold 3 to 500 people and 70 stalls just wouldn't cover that. Um, one of the designs didn't address the restrooms, which was the number one criteria, and one of the designs did not address the water play. So, we'll see what that happens. Uh, we're trying to get something done for the August 12th, was it? >> I think it's >> I think that's about >> Yeah, I'll have to double check with them. something like that to uh before the council meeting, I guess. >> Yeah, we're trying to keep it moving along. So, I can't remember if it's August the 12th. I know that we got wanted to get something for the car show, didn't we? Uh on this weekend, >> they're trying to use use uh Yeah, that's what it was. They're trying to use the amount of people for the car show and then uh maybe ask some questions at the car show. So, yeah, sure. >> That's really all I've got. Okay. Marty, do you have anything? >> Um, not I have a lot of things, but nothing ready to talk about, but um park improvements are uh progressing at area 21. Um obviously, we've had some rain delays um with that project. Um but we're still uh moving along with that. Uh the irrigation projects are moving along pretty quickly. Uh we've been delayed with trying to get electric to some of the areas. Uh the only one without electricity at the moment is River Hills and they're meant to be there on the 10th of August, I believe, to put that in. So then all the irrigation stuff will be complete for those parks and we'll get them fired up and uh see where we go with that. Um >> awesome. >> I think that's about all I have ready to go. Okay. All right, regular meeting items. We did the oath of office. Uh, next item, John Kenudson, presentation. Please come on up. >> Sounds like I'm getting a presentation. >> Yeah. You didn't prepare anything, did you? >> All right, fine. We'll get serious. Um, as your service to the parks commission, I want to give you a couple little gifts. >> All right. Awesome. Nice water city. >> Thank you. >> Thank you again for your service. >> Appreciate that. Much appreciated. >> Thank you for chair and commission. >> Thank you, John, for all that you did. >> Appreciate it. >> Thanks. It was a lot of fun. And once these guys are a little more independent, I'll probably be back for back for more. But right now, >> okay, >> rep prioritizing my time. So, >> I have one question for you, John. Um >> the trees uh thing that we're working on. >> Yeah. >> Where is that at? Are you going to still keep pursuing? >> Absolutely. Yeah, I think um I think all of the >> the main requisites are done. Um so probably like some sort of formal application. I'll look into that. One one thing that needs to happen is a yearly celebration of some sort, which I think can be as simple as like something basic or like a party in the park with a band. You know, different cities do different levels of them. Um, but yeah, definitely something that's not off of my mind and thank you for bringing that up because it was something I meant to mention, but >> yeah, if you uh >> I don't lost sight of it and I've still got your emails. >> Yeah, I was going to say if you need anything from me, you got my email address. >> Absolutely. >> Okay, perfect. >> Thank you all. >> Yeah, make sure you let us know how to help with that. >> Yeah, definitely. I look forward to it. All right, buddy. You come back over here. >> Thank you all. Thanks. >> All right. Item D, West Mississippi Regional Trail Alignment Discussion. Okay. So, um brought this to the park commission. Uh we wanted to get some direction from um the city perspective rather than just from three rivers park district perspective. So um we brought some maps together um showing uh where the property is owned by um Three Rivers Park District um where uh there are steep slopes, where there are um minimal slopes um to try and figure out an alignment uh down there. None of this material was has been given to us by Three Rivers Park District. This is just totally something that we want to get an alignment that makes sense to us that then we can take to the council and get their input. And then eventually I want to get it back to uh Three Rivers Park Dru uh destruction district and slip. >> You can call them what you want. >> So we can have their their input and have a meaningful dialogue, you know, with what the city wants as opposed to what they want. Just what they want. So I'm looking forward to seeing what we can come up with here. Um the maps on the table there and I think that what we need to do is go down there have one person draw on the on the map um and just have our discussion over the table to see what we think is the likely um preferred alignment there. I have Jason here from engineering if we have some technical questions and John can also chime in with this as well. So, it's a hands-on group effort. >> Sweet. >> Marty, is this the same thing we seen a couple months ago? >> Uh, no, it's not. >> No, it's not. >> It's not. This is just something that we pulled together and it hasn't got any alignments on there or anything. >> Blank slate. >> It's a blank slate. There's There's no trail. It's just existing conditions. >> So, this is in River. >> Same court. >> Yeah. rivers already. >> So I stopped sharing on here. >> Okay. So these are the ones that own >> and these are the ones that these are the idea where it makes sense to have a trail where it's no big bluffs there that cause a problem. There may be some areas where there's a ravine that we need to put a bridge over, but I think we just need to look at it and come up with some idea of an alignment. And pay attention to the red, which is the 25 or more slope. >> Yeah. And we think at the end of this that the trail should be on the other side of the road since there's all the park and field and it's free. Are we okay to write that on there too? Not forcing you guys in it. um throw an option. >> I wasn't expecting that, David, but I >> You've known me how long. >> I know. What would you say, John? >> I missed the first part. >> So, if we're looking to buy you, >> right? Right. So, if we're looking at this and we're discussing and kind of looking at the slopes and the other houses and we decide, you know, really after all, the trail really does belong on this side of the road. This is the river side of the road. I'm just asking if we agree that's okay. We can break that down. >> Yeah. I mean, it's the park commission's recommendation. >> Okay. >> I guess the only thing to think about is how do you have I mean, if it's the whole corridor, it's one thing. Where's the safe place for crops? >> Very true. >> They do have a plan to come across though for a longer trail this way. >> So there's maybe an undeposit coming in this area. That's going to be where the trail head is. Um where this what the West Mississippi regional trail and then the D regional trail will meet up here somewhere in this area and that's where you know we transport water trail launch in there as well. >> So you watch some videos >> I watch that one. So, I didn't know how much homework I was supposed to do before the meeting. So, now I know I probably should go back and look at that one. >> Yeah. Okay. >> The only thing that as a person going on the trail is seeing the river would be more appealing than a cornfield. So, but I do agree with the slope and all that. Making sure that we're not having to go up a huge hill and then back down. Scott, I don't know if I can ask you this, but has the council made a decision to purchase along our beautiful river? >> I think right now that would be on board right now. I believe that >> and part of that decision was based on going through this exercise. I mean the park's intention is to get it all but that is never going to happen. >> So in my eyes, why even look at that option? Didn't they show us one where it showed how they would go in and come back out too small? But >> yeah, how they kind of hug the road on some of them because of the slope, but ideally they would weave the river if they went down. I guess when I don't know how much this really is, would you really go in >> everything if you're along the road and you got cars going 55 miles an hour? >> Well, you should be fine because normally the ones that are along the road are too l Aren't they path? >> The path um three river standard is 10 ft wide >> 10 ft wide >> for the trail. >> For the trail for the pave part of the trail. Yep. >> Is all of that in a 30 foot right away? >> Uh I think I think they've done 20 or 25. They did it through the the one through river hills is three rivers. So they acquired ement over the entire stretch north to south. Some of it through all some of it they have a limited use per minute right away. I think it's 23. >> Yeah, the roadies went from the center of the road. >> 33 is probably what's existing on most of it. >> Um, >> yeah. Where we've had opportunities more to >> it's not going to be like a 60t anywhere. I would I mean is that the line here then >> the the eventual I think it's likeund 120 110 or 120 foot total so about 55 per side it'd be whatever is on river hills so whatever so that's probably in addition I'm going to just guess that's probably another 22 ft so it's probably like a 55 and a half >> okay >> I don't know that's the right measurement but something some similar to that ideally They'd have that on both sides to give them room if they weren't to widen the road in the future. They have said that this road will stay at 2 forever. So, as long as any of us can at least they don't have any plans for expansion as well. >> I'm guessing if we were to put a trail right next to the roadway, there would be the safety barriers and >> things of that nature. >> Not necessarily. depends on how they design it, but potentially they could use a curve because you can be closer than a curve. Otherwise, there's different measurements they take based on speed and visibility and slopes. So, it would vary some distance off the road that safety is absolutely a consideration of it, but not necessarily physical barriers. Some of the houses are so close down there, >> right? to put the trail right in front taken away. >> So, one of the discussion points when you when you get on the east side, I mean, there's clear options of being along the river, along the road. When you get into more of the middle, whether it's along the river or the road, you're going right in front of houses or right behind houses when there's just not a lot of space to work with. >> Note in case it's not clear. So, the red is just steep slopes basically. So, we just did that. I guess just to back up, the way we tried to lay it out is if there's no color shading, you know, they're gent gentler slopes and a little bit easier, if you will, to construct a trail. The yellow is when it starts to get steeper where small retaining walls are to accommodate. The red is very difficult to get through. There will definitely be retaining walls, pedest possibly pedestrian bridges, culverts, those types of things. Um, just to note, this red is essentially the bluff that lies around the river. So, I just wanted to point it out through here. >> Navigating this bluff is going to be very difficult, potentially completely impractical. >> So, I would say it's probably reasonable to assume that if there's any variation from the road through this stretch, it would have to stay >> south of plane as well. >> The dash is the flood plane. You can build it in the split plane. Um, it comes with some effort, but it's typically not desired. Um, just because who knows when it's going to be underwater and not able to be used. >> Yeah, we I came from Sou Falls and they had a bike trail right next to the river that flooded every year and people were always >> upset that they couldn't use it. So, >> yeah. >> And then there's more maintenance cost and >> it's usually a beautiful spot to put it, but Yeah, depending on how frequent the flooding is. And I'll be honorically at least it happens once every hundred years, which is usually about every four. But I don't one thing I don't know on here is like where's the where's the 10ear? Okay. In other words, is the 10 year right next to this? So if it floods, you know, it might flood every 10 year. So >> even a good ice jam could push it back. Mhm. So, if we need to stay on this side of the red, then the reality is you're really never getting the trail close to the river. Are you ever going to have visibility of it? >> Well, yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, certainly. I think it's uh I I haven't been in a lot of the backyard. So here I have a long portions of it. Um there there is good visibility from up on the bluff. I mean in area some areas it sits up quite high. Um depending on the tree cover, but very often it's it's actually big enough that you can see right over the trees and into the the water area. I was doing the same thing. >> Um just complete side note um if any of you use Google Maps which is similar to going to Google Street View. There's actually a street view from the river looking back. I don't know if any of you seen that or played with it but it gives you a different perspective along there which is sometimes helpful for exercise like this. What does it look like from the river because you can't see it from the road. So what will happen to um homes like this? Is this the line? Is this showing the line where it would have to? >> That's the easement. It is right. >> Probably the right arrow. >> I'll even say assume right away. >> True. Right away might not exist. They just assume it to be a 33 foot half rate of wood. >> So then when they do the trail, will they help fix like these driveways and stuff for the homeowners or the homeowners been stuck? >> No, that would all be part of the road project. Um, another thing I'll note on here, if you're aware of the study that's being done currently on all over, there's been some open houses at the um crossings. Um, so there I'm going to probably get my sections wrong. All of River Road or No, that's only the >> Yeah, it's >> or I guess it's only I was thinking it was farther over. So, I guess it's a pretty short section, but everything from here east is to be reconstructed. Um, this segment, I'm pretty sure is 2029. Does that sound right? >> Okay. Down to North Diamond Lake Road and then beyond there, I think, will be a year or two following that. But, um, to your point, when this is reconstructed, that's when the trail most likely would be constructed as part of that and and put within the rightway. And then um your other question about driveway damage and fixing that is all taken care of with the project to accommodate it. The the portion there um I am not aware of any timeline being identified for road improvements along that segment. I don't it's not on their tenure plan. So it's I'd say it's at least that far out. So I don't know if the trail would wait until that time or they would try to pursue something sooner. And so the developing of Goudine, is it going to happen at the same time that they do the trail whenever that is? >> Yes. You mean the trail head in here? >> Yeah. I don't have a timeline on that. It depends when they can get their two trails here and their trails can take up to 50 years to build. So there is I know that they've applied for funding to do some partial development work in here um specifically to accommodate the water trail in this um and there'll probably be some parking and stuff like that but um fully developing that out I don't have a time three rivers on there yet >> of course what are the options that we haven't talked about is some of these areas where they're really close to the houses here. It might be an option for Three Rivers to purchase that um if there's a willing seller there. But I don't know how that affects where we put this trail here. So, you just want us to start telling you our opinions? >> Yep. >> Then I think it's kind of what they've already shown us multiple times. You just go I think it'll be better on this side than worrying about >> all the crossovers. >> All the crossovers cuz I know we have an underground at Elsie and then you're going to have an underground there. But if we don't know when that's going to get developed, that could be 50 years >> or more. It could be. >> So we can't That's why I was asking when you thought that would happen because if we think that's relatively soon, then I would say let's discuss the other side so that we don't mess with all those homes. But if we have no clue when another crossing is going to be, then my opinion would be to stay on the side that they've been discussing on Dayton River and then every chance we can >> utilize as much of the park >> utilize as much inside as we can. >> I agree. >> Trace it out your opinion. What >> the hash? >> No, that's >> it. It used to be Randy's. He sold it. >> I thought they bought a piece from I think so. >> I don't remember being that big. >> How about the tree? In my mind, the only way you could speed this section up here is if you could go to the park and say, "Hey, Payton will partner with you on it." If you could dangle a big enough carrot in front of them and say 6040 or whatever that number is, maybe they would consider >> to build it >> to build it faster. >> They'd want to acquire more properties. I mean, that's their goal. >> Yeah. And that hinges on whether >> if they wait for that it'll never get built right >> essentially. >> And realistically if we let's say we go along this road here and they eventually buy these two properties nothing says that they can't move that trail eventually back here right >> or have like an offshoot that is a little bit faster or >> I'm going to speculate. They probably shouldn't do this, but I I suspect that when they get the funding and the opportunity to build this, they'll just build it to whatever they own, whatever they have control and exactly as you're saying, >> knowing that they can just do stuff later. >> I think they'll keep chasing the land, but to your point, they would probably hug the road tight here and then if they have the opportunity to continue to buy later, they would just remander later. So, my guess is it's just more so when's the convenient time for construction of the trailer. And that part's easy because the road's getting done. This part's not easy. So, might be them, might be the city taking the initiative to go through and coordinate these minutes. I'm not sure. And why don't we just follow the slope, right? If this is pie in the sky, thinking we could just follow that slope all the way through them, huh? >> But is that going to be a like right on the edge of the slope? Then you're thinking, >> a little ways off the slope. I mean, if that's what we're really talking about, if this is going to be Three Rivers bike trail and their goal is to purchase all the houses, whether we agree or not agree, >> I don't think, but they never will. So, we don't want to plan it. >> Plus, then you're get you're going after them right away, too. >> Mhm. Which that's going to eject cost. >> Yeah, for sure. So unless they own it, I think we need to plan on the cheapest option for us to actually get this done, which would then be closest to the roadway, right? Not follow that line then. >> Generally, I would say yes, cuz you would control most of the land. There's probably I mean, you can see some riding here. >> You probably driven it. There's some steep drop offs. >> There's certainly challenges along the road, too. >> Yeah. >> But probably still those challenges are easier to more common areas to reander and purchase right away through somebody's backyard as well. So, >> and then nothing here for slopage that would be more flat. >> So, you could definitely go in there. >> Mhm. >> And there's a little bit generic high level info, but yeah, I would I would say it's reasonable that could be accomplished through just standard grading, if you will, or easier measures. I'm making an assumption there's probably going to be some u exceptions where you know you're running the trail along the road and you've got a house that's 30 40 50 ft away from the road and you're taking 20 ft from the trail. I think there's going to be some property owners that are coming and say I'm opposed to the trail, >> you know, either don't build it or buy my house. >> For sure. >> I think the one guy there was one guy that was very the closest guy on here. He was here and he was in favor of of taking what right away we had and getting the trail built. >> It's out there was right behind his house. You're right. >> I think it it was in front. >> Yeah. >> That might be it. That might be the one. >> And his point was, I'd rather have it now >> so that I could use it. >> Yeah. Cuz he had young kids, so he wanted it so his kids could use it. >> Okay. You do the pencil. >> He's in. Luke's in. Send him in. >> Okay. So, just >> we're starting right up here. >> Okay. We're over here. >> But you stay along the road. >> And then what is here of just that >> our premier park? >> We're all the way to the road. >> Okay. We're right. >> So, we could go anywhere in here, but we don't care about that. We want to start here. >> Yeah. They try. That's they try. >> Oh, that's theirs right there. >> Right there. >> Okay. They didn't have that on the legend. >> You want the pencil first? >> I know. That's why I That's why >> he can get away with it. >> That's why I was like, "Not the pen. I was going for the pencil." >> Just right not to scale. >> You're doing right. You're doing a great job. I've never >> You want to pencil in the dip firm inside better again? >> Which one? >> Yeah. Just in here. We don't want to go up inside of it. >> Yep. And then same up here. Up along. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I don't know exactly where. Doesn't matter. Engineering would figure that out. >> Yeah. We went through for like probably all the way up here to the color. >> Yeah, that's true. >> Because if we could back down with >> and then being that this is going to be the paint, probably be better to go with the road here, wasn't it? >> I would think so. Although if you're building a slope anyways, then it probably doesn't matter. >> I guess I don't know. >> You'd have to have a bridge there if you don't do it. >> Yeah. So, right up against the road then most likely. >> Against the road. Yeah. >> So, do we know how wide this is? Is there room to even go into this one or should it just stay against the road? >> Um, it's a 1 in is 100 for reference. So, that's probably about 150 ft I would guess. I got a quarter. >> Can we have like a stopping spot there? like an overlook type thing. Am I thinking too? >> No, you can think of a technic area >> like having like Yeah, like a rest area for the bikers that can come out have >> water refill. Marty will picture homeowner. >> Yeah, he'll take out the picture of water every day. >> And then do we want to go anywhere on this little portion here? >> No, just keep going. That's their tree farm there. >> Yeah, I just keep going on that one. And then I'm going all the way up to here. Yep. >> This truck design, >> right? >> We could put the zip line in right here. >> We could do the zip line there. Zip line right here. >> Why not? They're dangerous. >> Ramsey and just run between the two. That was going to be a question is where does that Ramsy bridge end on Highway 10 that everybody wants us connected? Where does that >> and then this like as a stopping spot? >> Yeah, I guess you would go. >> Sorry, I did put one. >> But we could also have going straight here. >> So people who don't need to stop >> like out of the picnic area, they could keep going straight. >> Well, >> I don't think so. >> Yeah. The one thing is coming down. So, it's up to them if they put in a spot or not. >> Yeah, they they'll pick their spots. >> They'll pick their own spot. >> So, we can't really >> say that side. >> We can have fun. >> I have the marker. I can do a lot of things. >> So, on this one, there's already that. Let's get this done. >> So, we wouldn't do anything in the end. I mean, I'm just curious. >> What was the question? reading >> somewhere right in here there's going to be a tunnel. So you're going to want to catch that tunnel coming off of Lawndale probably >> and this right >> this road might realign over here and a bit harder >> um ideally. So this has got some bad sight lines that we have looked to realign it. It does >> this leg over here and then this leg actually slightly that way to make a stagger >> just throw roundabout right away grading. Perfect. Let's draw it on the map. >> Circle 8 roundabout. >> I think we get like a five to get one free or something. >> Get enough and then continue on down here. >> Well, that's what I was asking. I didn't draw anything here because if there's the underpass here, are they going to continue the the trail past that >> or is this their end point? >> No, they will continue. >> Well, because the reality is we didn't have to come down because it's the city owns plane in >> there'll be parking and stuff like that. >> Oh yeah, the flood plane does go up. There might be a way to get across. >> Can we do like a bridge here >> and then take it along here? >> Sure. >> I mean, you might even be able to hold it back over this. I mean, this might take like a box cover or a bridge, but if you're probably navigating somewhere anyway. >> Who gave me the red marker? >> Carrie. >> Well, if the call or the over where's the pass going to be the underpass? >> Speculate. It's all speculation speculation. It's somewhere in this area between it probably comes in in good. >> It's probably Yeah, it's usually done where there's the biggest green difference. >> So then do we want to go along the flood plane here? >> Sure. >> And then do >> why not? >> Yeah, that would make that would make sense. And then pull it up here. That's probably where the under pass would end up. >> Yeah, just cuz that's where the routine kind of fits. >> I once again not to scale. And then back up over here. I'd like to see this exact map at the car show on Friday. >> Oh, you can bring him. >> He's going to represent us. >> I don't have a name tag yet. I not that official. >> Oh, yeah. You can probably get what you want. Friday. >> All right. >> Just like that. >> Build it and they will come. You should have took a little more time because you probably could have got two 300 bucks an hour to do that. >> So if I just observation wise the the consensus is follow the roadway except for Three Rivers has land and then let >> Three Rivers put the trail where they want it. >> Yep. >> And if they continue to buy land obviously >> then they can continue to do it. >> Yeah. Because if I could buy these two properties, you know, that makes a big chunk of the park. Well, then you could easily make it more. >> Yeah. >> But this is what we prepare for where we are at today >> and where we're at today because I don't want to force any >> like they Yeah. I don't want to force any sales. I want it to be just if they come and they that happen. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'd rather have it be a benefit for the residents, not a force on the residents. >> Mhm. >> Yep. >> Agreed. >> Okay. >> Next step, you guys get together. >> Yeah, we've already open, but I I'd try to get it built now. Agreed. >> I'd try to get the whole thing built in 2029. >> There you go. And if it was a 7030 or something like that, >> it's going to benefit the >> But it would be a huge benefit for everyone that lives along there. >> Yeah. >> Fantastic. All right. Uh item E, area 21 playground equipment. >> Okay. Okay. So, um we discussed this a couple of meetings ago um and decided on a playground supplier and colors and all that stuff. Um I took it to the council. The council wanted to look at an alternative supplier. Um uh they're called pro play pro playgrounds. I'm struggling tonight. Um and they are significantly cheaper than what we have been quoted currently. Um I haven't used this company before, so I did some references and background checks on them um to find out what their what their reputation is. They haven't currently built any um playgrounds for a city in Minnesota. Um, so they gave me four references. Um, one was a church, one was an early learning center, one was for an apartment building in Minneapolis, and the third one I couldn't find any references of what that exact playground was. I left messages. One referee got back to me. Um, they were very happy with the salespeople. um they had some issues with um getting the installation done. Um they kept getting dates that were changing all the time. Um and then when the crew came to put do the install, they weren't very um they didn't have the right equipment to do it. And so she said the installation was somewhat sketchy and she was >> her words. >> Huh. >> Her words. >> Her words. >> Oh, that's great. Um so um that one consideration um I did ask the supplier about the timeline for um installing and at that time it was a 10 to 12 to 14 week uh lead time to get the playground equipment. Um I also asked about installation. He said they were booked up through October at that time and so the installation probably wouldn't happen till spring. Um I I haven't checked back in with him what the exact timeline is, but that was what was given me a couple of months ago. Um one consideration with the the grant funding for this, we have to use the grant funding by May of 2026. So the playground has to be built and everything in there by May 2026. So that's a tight timeline if we're going going to start in April next year maybe when the spring comes. Um the other consideration is with the grant it's a $100,000 grant that's kept at $100,000. If we come in at $80,000 they're just going to keep the 20,000 and we we'll be out of pocket with that. Um uh so my thing I would like to get some guidance from you guys as to which way you would like to go with this. Um I haven't worked with this playground company before. Um the playground company that we did select before have done a number of uh playgrounds in the city and I know their product very well. um their playgrounds stand up to what we want to use them for. Um we do have this particular playground is probably going to have you know service about a thousand um residents in that area. Um when I asked the uh reference for the other playground people um I asked how many people they have there and she said during the week they have two to three families there. Um and then at weekends if it's a nice day on a Sunday after church they'll have 10 to 20 families there. So it's not it's not seeing the same kind of use that uh a city playground would would use. So those are things that I'm concerned about. Um, I'd like to hear from you guys what what your thoughts are. >> Um, I guess my first question is the original playground company that we went with, did they give a time frame of when they could get it in? >> They originally uh was set up for September. Um, I've talked to them last week and they can still get it in this year. >> Okay. Why does the council want us to pick a second one? >> It's not that they want to. I investigated this cheaper outfit. >> Oh, okay. >> However, >> Mhm. >> I did not get any kind of rapport on installation or anything. >> Mhm. >> So, I mean that that is a concern and I I'll admit that that's a big concern. I also did not know that they can't get it done until next spring probably. >> Right. That's another concern >> for me. It was just to look outside the box. >> Sure. >> And all I did is when you look at the number, it's a big number. >> True. >> And mainly the reason I'm doing that >> is when it comes to Stevens Park, I mean, in my mind, we're talking a two to 250 to $300,000 playground, right? >> And you can get I mean, this is $40,000 difference just for the playground. that's you're going to get a lot more for for less money looking at Stevens. So, but if they can't fit the bill, I mean, I get it. I mean, I understand that. So, >> well, thank you for >> And the grant money also does factor into that. I mean, if this playground was nine, I mean, the difference you're talking is >> 20. >> You got a grant for 100. >> Yeah. >> So, it's only out of pocket. It's 25, >> right? Yeah. >> It's not that big a deal. >> Sure. Well, thank you for looking at other vendors. No, that's appreciated. >> Um, one question I have, was there any other um, cities that this company has ever installed for outside of Minnesota? >> Um, I didn't ask that question because I was specifically asking for Minnesota because of the weather conditions and all that kind of stuff here. The playground that we put in in Minnesota has different things to consider, you know, compared to playground in Texas, I guess. >> Yeah. I didn't know if they had any references in Wisconsin or, you know, any other surrounding states, but not that big of a deal. >> No, I I just asked for Minnesota and I asked specifically for close to us so we could go and take a look at at the playgrounds that were installed. But >> very good. My two cents would be to stick with game time. Um they've done a lot of work for us in the past and if Marty still thinks they can get it done this year. We didn't get anything done last year. So >> Mhm. >> anything to keep pushing this year is my opinion. >> I don't know how you guys >> speak freely. >> I am new so I do believe that same thing. I mean, I'd rather have somebody that's done good work for us to continue to do good work for us instead of I mean, given looking for being physical responsible is always great. However, we need to make sure that we can get it done on a time line and if they can get it done and it costs a little bit more and it's a good product. I say go for it. >> I agree. >> Okay. >> I think you get what you pay for. >> Agreed. stick with game time. >> And my concern is I mean if we end up losing the grant, well then we're out 85,000 instead of >> 25 >> 25. >> Okay. So that' be the recommendation that I take to the council that we stick with game time. >> Do you need a motion? >> Um is that actually promise? >> No. I just need a recommendation. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Uh notice and announcements. Next park meeting, Tuesday, September 2nd. Write that down. Uh I entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll motion. >> I'll second. >> All in favor say I. I. >> Awesome. Meeting adjourned.