for e e 8224 Eda is now in session call to order Ed consist of seven members including two city council members and five members of the Dayton business Community the city of with businesses and or Economic Development with expertise each with the interest of promoting economic growth and development in the city I just want to read this call to order to everybody so that they get it Eda shall have all the powers duties and responsibility set forth by the Minnesota state statute 46992 4691 081 I'm looking for approval of the agenda does he got everybody got a a win on that motion to approve we have a motion second it one second it all in favor all opposed motion carries consent agenda item number three um did anybody get a chance to read the last minutes all making sense everybody yeah yes motion motion to approved second I'll second second those okay Sean I get that okay uh motion carries open Forum John is there anybody online no no okay there's nobody in the audience so we're going to move through that one hi Scott morning Scott I'd like to introduce you to our new Council um Amanda Johnson SC saltic okay open Forum special item 74 okay uh introduction to amand Johnson which I've kind of been doing the whole time welcome to the uh the show thank you and uh we'll try not to bother you too much on Christmas Eve and all that stuff sounds great thanks we'll keep it limited if I do I'm going to blame it on him fair enough sorry Jack as always uh introduction to Hayden Steinberg planner steuard stenard stenard sorry I didn't mean chop that up too bad so what what do we got you for land you applications all all your planning needs oh my Hayden is our planner too he started the end of July I believe it was so he's he's doing most of the uh or all the permit reviews for uh building permits and a lot of the the planning items that are coming up so um he'll be attending the Eda meetings yeah I'll help John assist with Eda matters and wonderful wonderful thank you well welcome again to the show I don't know if it's the big show it is a show all right action items were we done with number five we all good yeah ju you get the me okay yep yep approval of application for new Eda member has everybody had a chance to look at Mr Anderson's uh intake yeah longtime resident 34 32 years 4 months which is pretty accurate I mean it's di it right in on that number I wonder if you got minutes on there and uh Curren Consulting ases electronic technology uh we know him from the shop where we work on his stuff so he's a customer of ours and um in all transparency pretty good guy I've got no reason not to uh welome on AB board let's go through each of the members here and make sure that we're on page so we start with you day yeah I'm okay with it it says he's Consulting currently um so not actively running a business business in Dayton is that correct well his business is out of his home in Dayton okay well I don't know what you call this home he actually sold his business but he's still Consulting for them M SC it yeah okay good to go sure John yeah I think from what I can see sounds like he would be a great fit so I I'm I'm all for it GTG Jack what I'm just curious the ASA electronic technology I mean is that um that he had that business locally and then now he's Consulting on it is that and Consulting yeah he I believe he sold he sold the company now he's Consulting okay and he consult us for more than just ASA is from what I understand that'd be a question for did he say he was coming in today I've not talked to him okay uh from what you see yeah I don't have an issue so is he semi retired then yeah yeah yeah yeah I think he can he has the potential to be available asset so I'm for it I think we can have some wisdom on this board and we should have some guys who've been around a long time right I mean if it gets to the point where we need to flip a guy then I guess one of us is going to be moving sooner or later so why not build this team up right what do we green light one two three four Scott green light green light so we need a vote for this don't we yeah yes okay I want to someone got to give me a motion I'll make a motion to approve Dave Dave Anderson as a uh Eda member how second we have a motion we have a second yeah I one second we have a second all in favor all opposed motion carries welcome Mr Anderson if you are watching is is he can you tell us someone's on the website uh no if if they're on the website if they're watching through the link the zoom link we can see who it is on um Zoom yes you can tell if there's someone on zoom on there is not anyone on Zoom that ansers that so that brings our total to seven y members we are seven with him five and two with him yeah yeah so last you make it so complicated well yeah business ain't easy you know that I'm teasing all right settles up uh 6A let's go to 6B cubes comp sent plan uh why don't you fill us in there John what's going on with that sure so as you're you're probably aware so the cubes is about a million squ foot Warehouse um it's been uh empty for uh some time um the owner has potentially a tenant that would take up half the West half of the project so roughly uh 53,000 Square ft they are known as project Falcon so we do not know project Falcon we do not know what the name of the business is so they uh business doesn't want to be known project Falcon project Falcon okay um they it it is a bus or a building supply company uh they do require about 8 Acres of outside storage whereas the city code limits it to 20% or 2 Acres whichever is smaller and so what uh the owner is asking for is to amend the plane unit development to allow additional outside storage um there's a couple of different um options that they're looking at uh I'm going to refer to option one that proposed outside storage is the purple area um they would be putting in outdoor storage where currently there's planned to be semi- parking as well as uh I believe this is just a passenger vehicle parking and then this is a storm water pond so they would be filling in the pond and putting in underground storm water storage uh and then having outside storage above that this is plan or uh option one option two is to purchase three of the homes that are adjacent um and then to build the outdoor storage on those locations with an access on to uh West French Lake Road um I know that the project or the property owner has talked to the homeowners with um I'm going to call it probably mixed interest on whether or not they would like to sell so that is why there's an option one and an option two um all of this has happened pretty quickly within about the last week week and a half so that this is um uh changing daily almost and John do we know what they're storing outside uh Building Supplies like Lumber and whatever um yeah oh all I know is Building Supplies so I are are they building trucks are they building homes are they building aircraft car building yeah we're going to need to know all that I think I agree yeah I mean seems kind of stealth yeah and stealth usually means not good is it flammable Goods is it I mean you have what's in stored outside that could be so whenever it it's not uncommon to have like a I'm going to call it like a code word for a project usually that means that they're competing for multiple sites um and the we'll see if they can comp with something with more definition okay so I think I believe that we kind of need to know at least What type materials are not given tip in their hand it's not us to intervene in third party contract by no means that we should at least listen to what they're going to store this ain't enough information for us okay concur I I agree yeah we need to know what's being store Dave well they certainly want to know more about it um the storage piece of it I have some concerns about um because we'd have to amend several city codes to allow this correct well this this would be as a plan unit development so it's a little easier just saying that we're going to allow you know you can put a number on there or a certain area so if it's 8 Acres just spread out anywhere in the property or if it's a specific 8 acres and then put uh refer to the dates of this map as an example but but is my question for you you I understand there's not enough information let let's say it whatever is being stored there is something you're okay with is there any special conditions that you would want to see business runs itself how would we know what they need in in business well what I'm saying like say you know all I know is that it's building material so let's say it's something that has minimal flammability and is acceptable to you guys are there any conditions that you would like to see with this well or any other concerns with option one the one you've got up on the screen um you know they're going to have to spend significant money on underwater storm MH water storage and you know that's that's their deal to figure out but I would think that they would need significant bming and screening if they're if the those houses are going to remain uh if the if the house are are going I don't know why they don't um maybe they don't need it but it seems wrong to leave that fourth one there as on just kind of an Island by itself and I would think it would give them better access to that other other road to the north of them if they if they had that fourth property also sure and just to explain the these pictures are in the packet these are the storm water well these are the storm water ponds that would be filled in and in placed for uh used as outdoor storage under option one um under option two it it is this is the home the far north home um and then this would be the far uh South home that's over here so these are the woods that would be removed for outdoor storage under option two so in option one they're completely within the current cubes whatever yeah and then option one or no that's one right two the houses yes yeah so then they be buy an additional property and there's four houses between them and the correct road or well the access road I guess correct yeah so they would be looking at buying three of the four possibly four uh the reason the this fourth house just sold um last week the four house at the top of picture or the bottom the middle P picture middle picture so there we don't have wor about neighbors consideration because they're bu them up no they probably don't even know about this this last the new owner does for well they do I mean the they've had conversations with um the cubes for my understanding good for that you other than the new own right I've talked to them well it's a hell of a tax gig and I don't see that we should be standing anybody's way other than we need to know what they're you know if they're sing Rocket Fuel we should probably on page with that well I do though I see a couple issues with it cool uh one I'm not I'm personally not really in favor of covering up natural storm water uh um as far as the the drainage Pond and all that I'm not a big fan of covering that up uh two I think if we let if we let them do this there's going to be other businesses that are going to come and say if they can do it I can do it I know I agree I I can tell you I know a couple people in the area that will be they'll be in here right away saying I want to do it too MH so that's another concern and then also the as far as the screening and you know the planning is it going to be yeah I mean is the screen are they going to be having things on pallet racks 20 ft high and then you know how do you screen that MH yeah so all three of those are big concerns the biggest one is that other businesses are going to say I can do it I should be able to do it too that's a variances rep yeah what's our official position here so this is a concept plan so you there's no vote by the Eda it's just individual comments no formal action no I mean I have some similar concerns uh as Sean and I mean I think to me the option to buy the houses would probably be the best because it's the we'll have the least problems down the road if the people agree uh but I'm also if I remember correctly like we got very little to know information about the whole cubes project in the beginning like we didn't even know well I as I recall we didn't even know what it was we're like what is cubes and it's just a building they just they just I mean I know it's just a SPEC Building that's all it is and so it's that's a little concerning to me just the way they operate M and I I don't know what that means because it's just been this massive building that's been sitting there empty for two years right or a year and a half yeah they're still going to pay taxes it doesn't matter whether it's occupied or well understand but you know one of the conversations we had and you know relative to planning when we get to that part is you know maybe we're getting pretty close to our Max and warehouses in the city you know I mean this one is here already but then you throw the outdoor storage on top of it which is another thing that people get concerned about you know it's just a well let's ask that reciprocity question our council's here today so if we were to nod our head and say we got no issues here and it was Scott's uh Scott Sean's input do you think this should be a um pickle hering for us down the road are you speaking specifically specifically to the um the ability of others to come in and say that they want the same the same situation if the other companies would want the same considerations of what we're doing here yes by filling in the Wetland yeah that's a big one for me storm storm water Pond storm water so it's not Wetland we don't have water to deal with storm water containment so what what's your take on that well the the storm water ponds provided that they meet the city's requirements in the code for storm water treatment if they want to do underwater or you know underground tanks versus a pond that's their decision to make that's not something that the city can necessarily mandate that they would do Aon versus the underground storage tanks um as long as they're meeting the city's requirements for water treatment right so as long as they're meeting the requirements for St water treatment how they do that is ultimately up to them uh in a PUD and the reason that City's like puds is it gives you the flexibility to be able to go outside the parameters of your code right so you can have flexibility in in this situation it sounds like they're looking for flexibility with outdoor storage but the idea behind a PUD is that there's a trade-off for that so the city should be getting something for the uh the the modifications that they're making or the concessions that they're making related to city code so if what they're asking for is an amendment to the Pud that is essentially asking for additional code flexibility then the question back is what are are we getting for that right yeah so the city code refers to a public benefit with the plane unit development if if we're if the council is allowing deviations from the city code how does the the public benefit from those deviations for we'll call it a better project that what would be allowed under the strict zoning rules qualify for Tiff no not as this no no no I mean the the building's built so the question really is uh the additional outdoor storage M did you got you got what you was saying about that absolutely okay one kind of agree with Sean we need to know what's being stored out there and how right M outdoor stores is such a broad term you can have outdoor racking you can have containers you can have Haw slats I mean you could just have it scattered all over the place right so that's my only concern okay we need more information yeah and I think some of the examples of current outdoor storage in the city are right not the greatest there's Somey Scott light me up I agree I mean to me the code the code is saying two acres for them on a building that's there we're going to give them four times that and but we don't know what it is yeah I've got to know what it is and I'm just not there uh as far as uh what what kind of curious is if they're willing to spend whatever it costs to fill in that pond it certainly can't be cheap to do an underground it's strage storm water Pond is what it is is it standage or Bond it's a storm water Pond storm water storm water storm water okay yeah it's not um and buy three houses why aren't they renting the rest of the building they can put it all inside um I have no idea what the numbers are so that's neither here or there uh yeah before I would ND my head I got to know a lot more is that enough information for you to take to the concept plan did we we covered you m okay yes all right thanks okay so next we have DCM farm so uh the Eda had reviewed this earlier um that we've had let's see when when this project came through originally as the concept plan the developer had three different options um now there's one there are no changes the commercial retail area so this is intended for the Eda just to give a second look at it so is is this the one by Dean Dean's Country Manor yep okay didn't we discuss this last uh meeting yes what are we discussing today I if there's anything you want to add to it so as I was saying that so the uh when this was presented before there are three different versions of a concept plan so now it's down to one but there are no changes with the commercial retail area got it so um the Eda was fine uh with this project when it first came through there are a few comments of wanting this to be more residential in appearance and less um I'll say uh less commercial or less franchise oriented so being respectful that it's in the middle of the neighborhood um but that was that was kind of the summary of the comments that I remember hearing I do know we were tasked with sending Zach emails about what we thought a lot of that happened in in session did anybody else send emails to Zach about their thoughts on this section I did not I mean this drawing to me looks different than what we looked at is it is it the like are all those homes over there that's another development these are all homes so this is the revised um concept plan um so I can't remember what the count is I want to say it's 250 some homes that would go in here um various sizes so and then this retail Orient okay so all that's not there cuz I I know I drive by it's just field that's all propos development okay um this is being constructed right now or or grading work is being done right now yeah and then the stuff that's in color is future um yes this is the project so I thought that was the project down there so this is the commercial retail area Okay and then everything north of there is residential oh okay so we never looked at all the residential that I recall um correct so I okay that's what was I was I was it looks new the what we were showed was this little down here that Tri whatever that is and we didn't see the rest of it so that's why it looks so different to me I'm like what sure we got a big picture now yeah no but it's helpful to understand what the do you have any changes that you want to bring up now cuz I mean I mean input decisions uh no I mean actually I think that helps helps me with the whole project is that that those are going to be neighborhoods so green light yeah I don't I don't really have an issue with it if nothing's changed from last time green light yeah I said if nothing's changed got it nothing's changed okay nothing's changed it's still green we covered that anybody else yeah I guess we're just looking at the commercial Peak here so I I don't have any comments there I was more curious what they were doing with behind the homes along and it's up to city council to have them enforce the more neighborhood likee feel yeah so this will be a Planning Development so similar to the conversation on cubes is there's there's has to be a public benefit of why we're allowing deviations to the code the deviations are really related to the residential part not the commercial retail um and so questions for you know the council and the Eda and Planning Commission are what are the public benefits um you know something to to think about is you the council has discussed what is D what does rural Dayton feel like um this is a major Corridor uh the project to the South does have some pretty wide landscape buffers allowing a firm Brook you know so using that as an example of of being a public benefit is having more buffers along major roadways um this yeah to me it's signage it's that it's you know all the things that go into how does that integrate with the these homes that are around there since you're this isn't a commercial area I mean it's a commercial Oasis if you will in the middle of all these homes and it just needs to to me it needs to feel and look like can IIM commercial around every residential yeah but it was it was there before the residential ever came you know it's been there 40 years 400 years 400 years all right we all good on this okay so no nothing new no opinion change okay staff updates verbal Ed budget tentative yes so doing that we're still in the budget process um so we've had I'm going to say four meetings meetings with the council I believe um so the staff's proposed budget for the Eda is 62,500 um that includes 20,000 for real estate broker 20,000 for legal uh 5,000 for marketing 25,000 for uh elate henan County uh 15,000 for miscellaneous item so it's total 62,500 um I think kind of the direction I believe the council is going is to use existing fun Eda funds rather than uh the 62,500 levy then why why are we creating a budget U that's what we do every year so um every year you know staff puts in their proposal of what we would like and then Council looks at it and and we kind of go back and forth okay so I'm confused with the fact that we're going to use existing funds and we're not going to Lev any more is that what what we're talking about that's the way it sits today yes what if we need to grow our account for things we're going to purchase and get set up for um it's a it's a good discussion Point what if a frog head wings I didn't hear my point on this is the budget was come up with by throwing a dart at the wall you have no idea what you're spending on anything what you're budgeting for and you don't know if you're going to spend it anyway so in my opinion you're taxing for no particular reason and I'm just not good with them until you come up with some money spent to show some history and what you might want I mean you don't know if you're going to spend 62,000 or 6250 or zero at this stage in the game well you do though because three or four of those items are set right I mean the council the no they're not set we don't have no we don't know if we're spending 20,000 or 10,000 or 50,000 Council there's no there's no use them there I mean you can estimate like like any budget you have you put in expectations of what you might do I mean it seems to me there's some things that are kind of more certain than other things and I mean I'd say half of the 62 maybe is more certain I'm not saying we should tax for it I think the at the end of the day whatever money we have if if something comes up we can go into the extra funds right like we we can do that for a while but we can't do that every year right so we have like something, what's more that 600 something 600 okay um you like you know for 2024 you have a zero Levy so we're we're using I'll call it Reserve funds right now yeah yeah so as a Counterpoint to that and remember I'm one vote Scott's one vote so nothing I say matters but I feel like this is the first year the Eda is is put together uh a formal budget with some detail to it and if these are projected operating expenses then we should be covering them with Levy dollars um so that that's where I I feel like it's at but where we are with the budget is we're still about a mile apart from what's proposed and what people will be able actually willing to vote to pass in terms disc the city budget you're talking about the overall City budget yeah right and it it all looks like taxes to me so you know where what line item it goes to is is the discussion but the the overall number has to meet something I can live with to vote for it and uh we're not there yet but I do think that um that this is a number that we at least have an estimate on you know we'll know in a year whether that was that was right or too much or too little but it's the first time a budget's actually been proposed and I I think it should be levied for it but that's just my opinion go ahead man I don't know I just I'm a little not confused about it I just I'm just taking it all in CU two different opinions from and each each has a valid very valid point valid I get Scott's Point absolutely and I also get his point my point in the situation is if we don't start preparing when it comes time to have something we won't have nothing but operating budgets makes very perfect sense and yes that Dart is no different than the other department head thrown the dart they want to see try to do something they throw it at the wall and say I want this there's some history on on all the other departments I mean we know what we spent last year yeah and we we know that we're going to be spending that and possibly more in the future year here we don't have a clue where we're going to spend yep um and there's a big Reserve there as far as if if we need more I'm not concerned about that because you can do an in fun loan well we're going to go into a close session today yeah and you might have a different opinion about that that's fine just because of what we're going to talk about and if if we keep getting zero the big Goose EG I guarantee going to be zero we need to make sure that we have something there again in a budget process we suck at it plain simple and we're learning it so that's all I got to say on this anybody else want to tr in before we move there's no action here right no this is just conversation yep I guess I'm going to say to some degree we have to go through this year and see what we spend which would then next year would give some history we can more accurately put together budget which then we could if needed Levy for those that budget money in the next year you could next year yes I guess my only contrast to that would be the known items that you and I know you say you don't know but you you do know on some things that you're going to spend something and you need to put an estimate in on what you think you're going to spend on Council on the reality piece Etc and then then there's a you know miscellaneous whatever that is 10,000 or whatever it is 15 15 now but and then reduce it by I mean come up with a better estimate than 625 and and then Levy for that portion of it I mean $330,000 on a levy is going to be 0.00 Z something right I mean yeah so we have I'll say we have operational funding which that's the proposed 62,500 but I think Tim what you're talking about is when we're going to buy property that's you know hundreds of thousands of dollars not tens of thousand that's not predictable as much you know so that's where you you do need money saved up to make purchases when the uh when there's an opportunity you can't predict when there is going to be an opportunity right okay so we just we want to tell the so that hey we we want to rethink this zero is not zero is not a win for us makes sense to you guys okay budget tenative 7 uh flour pots uh we have two flarm pots that do not have a sponsor so again those are $200 a year uh thank those of you that have uh generously donated that for for the year um and we have two others so it's just more of an update understood and those it us be covered out of V budget if nobody steps forward yes okay should we put the flower pots in the budget 400 come on Scott so a question if let's just say if I don't know if this is possible or how it works exactly but as an Eda if we decide we want to sponsor the two remaining flower pots we could take that money out of our well you you are you already are sign well wait so did we get a sign that's where I was going with it if we're going to be essentially sponsoring it in the end should we put a sign up D need officially sponsored by I agree yeah we should we're getting no action on it so to shot's point it's certainly logical but do we want to spend tax dollars on flower pots well you're not actually spend you the money is already gone you already paid the person to put the flowers in them there just nobody's plaque on the pot offer books and not if just if to me if all of a sudden nobody sponsors the pot and you want a plaque on it go ahead and put a plaque on it I mean you're going to spend 30 40 50 bucks for the plaque probably I mean if it's a big deal to have a name on the Pod I mean show zda is doing something yeah I I mean it's a plaque $50 it didn't look like those I couldn't tell you they look like they're $3 yeah exactly it's like if we're why not at least get the Eda name on to so I mean what we could do is just have a a generic Eda plaque on every post and then what once it's sponsored we take that down and replace it with a sponsored sign yeah I think that's a great idea just require an action item here are we just talking I I think I got my Direction so moror and prohibiting operations of a Canabis businesses and cannabis cultivation businesses yeah that's kind of a I don't know what that means exactly yeah I'm G look Hayden's more knowledgeable than I am on on this yeah the bus Mr President members of the Eda uh I think it's the next council meeting the city council is going to consider this item um basically it's going to establish that it's going to prohibit until the end of 2024 um establishment of businesses related to cannabis licenses licensed through the state um in within the city so they're currently in their rule making period and um they're hoping to have that tied up um near the end of the year or shortly after into 2025 um they'll be able to start issuing licenses but uh the state basically gave the cities the opportunity to establish a moratorium while we create um zoning rules and other things of the like like registration process and whatnot so that's currently what we are working on and so the moratorium is to say look we're not as a city going to issue any licenses until the state gets their active right basically in the meantime we're writing our own ordinance where you can sell retail or retail shops okay and there so you know there's multiple levels of the whole cannabis thing so in full transparency uh the liquor store in Dayton sells the beverage es that have the THC THC in them but you don't need a license for that but you have to be a registered operation so to speak in the state okay which you know I mean is so I just want to make sure that people know they all different levels I think this is talking specifically about cultivation and selling uh higher level cannabis products yeah could K pop in for one second you uh I've been watching a smirk you go right ahead I I I have spent hundreds of thousands of hours on cannabis the last year with my cities um so you're exactly correct it's important to understand the distinction between hemp derived uh Edibles and cannabis products so the state has and does treat those two things differently which is why a liquor store can sell a THC infused beverage because it is a hemp derived product versus a cannabis product we've differentiated that and the reason for that um just a very very high level is on a federal level cannabis is illegal right so you cannot transport it across state lines we couldn't s you know buy it from Colorado and ship it here we have to grow it here manufacture it here and then sell it here um Con in the differently are the hemp derived products those are not federally illegal and so those can be transported between state lines those they're they're just treated very very differently and so there is a lot of um consumer confusion around the entire thing but but that is part of it one of the reasons why cities are and have been putting in these moratoriums is technically a cannabis cultivator a cannabis grower somebody who would be growing the product can get an early license to begin growing it um and before January of 2025 there's many many Hoops that they have to jump through in my personal opinion based on the Hoops that they have to jump through although it is technically legal for them to be able to get an early growing license it is from a practical perspective impossible um for them to be able to do that but even so this just allows there to not be some sort of non-conforming use that would be set up in the interim well you got a short Nota for me um that so the moratorium is so that there isn't somebody who sort of sneaks in under the radar before the city's rules are in place and then what happens next January is we have a situation where we potentially have a fight around uh legal non-conforming use right I mean to me it comes right down to it's just basically saying look we're not going to issue any licenses as the city until the state buttons up what they want to do cuz the state doesn't know what they want to do yet on I mean they're still figuring it out I mean and we won't ever be able to license so the state has preempted the city's ability to to license the only option for the city is to register the businesses um and alternatively you can give it to the county and the county can do the registration um but the mechanism to regulate cannabis businesses for the city really is going to be through zoning it um or prohibiting it in certain zoning districts making a conditional use using those types of tools are going to be how cities are going to to um to do it you can also limit if you register you can limit the number of uh retail shops how many cities are struggling with this your purview every single City what are they doing uh the they run the gamut some are we're calling it you're either Utah or you're Las Vegas so some cities are very much of a you know it's it's very much an open market and they want to encourage it and there are other cities where they you know if they could be a dry City they would you can't um under the this the state statute um but I think it's important to know that there are licens caps that the state has put into place so the reality is the amount of licenses that are actually going to be issued is going to be rather underwhelming so just from a statistical perspective is is a city like Dayton going to be getting five shops no they're they're just not yeah because there isn't the licenses at the state level well five legal ones there there was a time and date in where the police we chasing a lot of guys around here without licenses let's say it that way okay well thanks for the clarity on that and I seen your face light up when we start talking about okay yeah unfortunately I know a lot unfortunately any other questions on that guys I mean as an Eda we we don't have an opinion yet because they don't have an opinion right two comments um I think the council already passed the moratorium the last meeting um it goes until January 1st so this is more news than way in but the one thing I that also went along with it and the only reason I of Ja MO strenuously is because there isn't going to be any but there was an amendment to the fee schedule and I think anybody who's interested in being in that business ought to take a look at that fee schedule and make some comments about it because we're the way it's written we're treating um the fee for what I would call off sale cannabis products like an onsale liquor store and so the the fees for a license to do that is I think way out of whack with what we should be asking for and who's charging that us or County the city city city I mean it's sort of a catch 22 it's a ridiculous fee but you can't you can't get a license anyway so nobody's going to pay it so it's more like a liquor license for a bar fee correct versus same as yeah same as that's interesting which off sale is s like 200 bucks or something for aor I think it's 100 and then bar is like 3,000 and the Cannabis one is the 3,000 and I don't think those two things line up we also have the ATF drive in that bus too we don't have any ATF for pot for cannabis okay so the ATF is regulating a lot of that for licenses in States and federal right well these are City yeah for like you get a state liquor so the city fee is just a fee on I mean the state's pretty small but the you got to have a state liquor license and then the city just gives you kind of endorses it and charges a fee right more I mean they could stop it obviously but the license is actually I think well it's actually issued by the city but the state gives you the buyer's card I think which you can't do anything without a buyer's card yeah so we look at fees every year it is anyway in January so I this will come up again but I think as it sits there's there's a kind of a tilt there from an Eda directive it's tax dollars it's a business I mean if we're going to start picking who what and how and who I mean I get it which doesn't probably fit our narrative is is pro business people Christians whatever you know your group is and you don't want to sell hemp products or cannabis products but yet there a lot of things that people disagree with and we shouldn't have the we should have the flexibility of freedom to to make that choice too uh I do know that ETF looks pretty down on it as an as an ATF agent dealer um they it's on their 4473 form and it says if you are and you will not receive a 4473 so that's a gun purchase so I I guess you know we'll see where Council goes with it see where State goes with it I think we've had a discussion on us I mean your your Insight on the your Insight on the two state level county level and City levels yeah I mean theable the liquor licenses all that in the state and the fed and the they're all you don't the fed's not involved in a like a retail liquor license they get involved in manufacturing and stuff like that so well you aren't you a manufacturer of wine uh yeah so you have the ATF to do with I do on yeah well another tax well again it's good to get your perspective on this and I appreciate the fact that we can now hear about this and maybe some edas or some cities don't have a on sale off sale guy you yeah okay okay uh other update so August 20 Tuesday August 27th we have a workshop with the city council and Planning Commission for the master plan uh we'll have I believe it's three options that will be presented and then uh Council and commission will be asked to choose one of those so um related to the Eda I guess one of those discussion points is do we have enough industrial or should we have more of it and I don't know if the Eda has an opinion um I'm going assume so because I've heard heard it so far today it's almost like like a Facebook poster you're sending us out there and you want to see who bites on it right okay I know you guys talked about this at the last meeting did we discuss it all having an Eda member at as part of that uh you all can be there I mean this is a public meeting so okay so it's not a it's a work session but a public work session right just like this is a public meeting yeah okay interesting good there yeah anybody else all right Parkway neighborhood e aw uh so I don't have it pulled up on the map so this is is um the robberg property in the southwest corner of Dayton so west of 94 uh you said property roer roberg roberg uh this area down here so uh the developer is proposing I believe it's 650 units of apartment buildings several different buildings buildings but a total 650 Square ft or 650 units uh there'd be a small commercial area along Dayton Parkway that would include a gas station and some other retail I I want to say it was somewhere between 5 and 10,000 square feet total so not a very large area um they're in the process of completing an environmental assessment worksheet or an eaw that is a lengthy process uh right now it's in the public comment period through I believe it's it's th Thursday or Friday um and then staff and our consultant will review those comments um and then this will be developed or come back to uh the council and the Planning Commission as a preliminary plan so um again for this project the total amount of units is 650 units and right around 10,000 sare ft of retail in a gas station the retail gas station part is not in Phase One this is going to be done in several phases it might be I'm going to guess maybe 10 years to build out so it'll be a it'll be going for a while but first phase will be one apartment building so that's just a an update for you yeah it's a good location def find e uh environmental assessment worksheet so it's uh probably about a 500 page document that looks at you know everything from air quality to water quality to to soils and different pollutants uh it's very very extensive and they have to do it on that piece because of it the topography no it it's a change in use so um because well I should say there's 30 some different categories where you might be required to have an eaw in this case it was because the the number of housing units that are going in um the DCM Farms that we looked at earlier that will also be d uh an EA because it's a change in the comprehensive plan so a comprehensive plan that whole area is guided as low D residential but because uh the developer wants to do some retail in it it it triggers the need for an EA so it's not the fact that it's a change to the comprehensive plan it's a change to the it it depends so with DCM Farms it's a change in the comp that that is it that triggers it for this one it's the number of units uh so in this case I think if it's more than 375 units then they need at eaw which they're almost twice that okay you have a West territorial Municipal Water extension yeah so also at the last um council meeting so we have uh this is Dayton storage um this was approved I'm not I'm going to say was 2021 but I'm not 100% positive on that um so uh Self Storage business it was approved um building code requires that it have a fire sprinkler system there's no water available and so the only way to put it in a fire sprinkler system is with big water tanks um the Builder or the developer has come back and said is there another option and we've looked at this and and the council has approved to extend uh municipal water down West territorial uh from adessa down to this location um the estimated cost for that is about $450,000 and and the developer is paying for this so and this is going to benefit all the the uh properties that are long territorial uh will be able to hook up to this Dave you're kind of the Water Guy what's your thought on that I mean kind of win for us it it is it's a win for the city it's a win for the developer because they were by fire code required to have a a fire sprinkler system for that storage facility which was because there was no City Water available they were going to have to drill a well have storage um and have we'll spend a lot of extra money to make kind of a standalone fire sprinkler system for that area so with this option they're able to connect to City Water eliminate a lot of that extra work related to the fire system and it all also benefits the city because we've now got water F farther down that farther down that road I'm sure we'll make a little Revenue off the water sales to this guy but you know hopefully the fire sprinkler system never goes off so that's not really part of it but um but the availability of water is a plus for us where's that water come from uh mle Grove oh so we buy that water and we resell to these guys interesting y that whole part of town is M Grove Water any other issue comments on this guys it's just water not sewer uh correct so there there's no bathroom here so they they do not need sewer everyone El I shouldn't say everyone else but assumably as as this area redevelops will'll need sewer also good okay moving on number eight and Timmy I've got two other items that I didn't write in the agenda so um henpen County uh is has what they're calling it the CEO Next program so this is pure um pure learning for uh small businesses that have between 10 and 99 employees and more than 1 million dollar in Revenue uh so it is I believe it's a free program that just helps uh puts uh business owners in contact with others and let them learn from each other Charlie Papa Oscar CPO CEO CEO yeah CEO next CEO next that's through Hanan County yes and when does this when does that start or is it I'll uh I can get information to you so off hand I I do not remember is it a starting and finishing program or is this just an ongoing we want to be part of it or how how do we fit into this I I'll send you more information so yeah okay and you said it a second thing yep so uh the council at the last council meeting reviewed draft Eda enabling legislation so I I believe Eda has talked about this a couple of times is that one the Eda was for well I shouldn't say when it was form but when it was um added on to it was not done by written resolution it was just a a voice Direction and so this was the City attorney had put together a kind of a revised enabling legislation that explains what the eda's job is and what you have control over and not control over um so this is in draft form is reviewed by the council the last meeting it'll go back to the council I'm going to assume on the 27th but I I don't know that for sure and this form is available um I can send it to you so it was in the last coun send her a copy of this [Music] sure and that this is the resolution from the city council to City attorney City yeah it doesn't the city council have to vote on it or no yes yeah okay okay so that covers that and that did that finish you up on that that finishes me up Okay resolution uh next e will be Tuesday September 17th 2024 at 7:30 a.m. if those who want to attend I see Amy's on is that that what she is um so Amy is our clerk yeah but she's on um this is the zom it's Hayden Amy yes okay I was going to say hi to all right so pursuant to Minnesota's statute 13d subsection 3C to develop consider offers and counter offers for the purchase sale of real estate personal property to the following we have a p ID on our internal uh I want to tell our camera guy to uh shut the film off is that what we want um yes and I think if you just read the PS got to read the PS yeah PS 36-21 -23 -41 -21 next PID is 36121 23 41 001 0 next p is 36121 2341 or 2 3-41 011 next p is 36121 23- 41-12 and 36-1 121 d234 41-20 those are the PS on section 9 of the close session thank you and we'll need a moment to switch the audio over and then we'll start so e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e statute uh 13d Subs 3C we are now out of our closed meeting and uh number 10 adjourn motion to is motion second I'll second approve opposed thanks guys