e e e e e 1217 2024 Eda in session call to order we do not have uh Sean today he is sick and I'm going to take the side over here because I don't feel well enough to be next to check and the rest of you approval of agenda do I have an approval I'll make the motion to approve I'll second it I'm sorry he motioned I said he motioned it y okay and we have a second all in favor I all opposed okay agenda carries is there anything on our conent consent agenda uh meeting minutes from November 19th oh yeah all right motion I'll make a motion second I'll appr on Shaver I I I'll opposed carries open form anybody on uh the computer now old business I thought we had some uh talking to do about the puc's where' that go the Pu public tities commissions about all this old copper sticking out of the ground I have no news on that nothing nobody called you back um no so I have no news on it it I've turned it over to Public Works and I I don't have a I don't have a status report on that okay let's make sure we get one okay I don't know how many people are still on Old copper I'm sure there are some old people that are or older homes but I want to make sure that um they fix their stuff it looks like crap okay number six we're BL right through this public hean resolution 03224 establishing the boundaries of Economic Development districts for The Economic Development Authority of the city of Daton Minnesota and let's go with that thank thank you Mr President so just real let's see if I can get this working here um real briefly so before the Eda can buy and sell property we we have to adopt a uh Economic Development boundary so in this case uh the resolution was drafted by the eda's attorney um and the recommendation is that the entire city be established as the district that was the attorney's recommendation yes okay that's the same with uh resolution D this resolution 3- 2024 um in in I should add in order to adopt the district this is a public hearing so notice was published in the in the Press not open for discussion just making sure it's public hearing uh you can have a discussion on it but it does have to be a public hearing do we need a discussion on this Council I don't think so okay yeah I mean I think the only thing would be you either do the whole city or you the way I read it is you can do it kind of area by area when they come up so well I see your point I mean turn it around andless do the job that's what she's doing yeah yes yeah okay so adopting the whole city as the district allows the most flexibility yeah we got a flavor for this at Council are we okay with this at the actual main Council anybody we have any resistance up there I don't think so I don't believe so no okay sounds like this is difficult to do the whole city yes typical to do the whole city yeah so one question is the is the public hearing today right right now right now okay that's what I'm asking okay and you've already published notice or whatever okay okay just making sure we're all in line with how it's supposed to be done so did I maybe I missed it did you open the public hearing or close it or well it's open right no you have to open open there you go okay anybody here for this or online not online all right let's close public hearing then do this again all right now you're a veteran pretty we've opened it and closed it officially got it so that'll cover number 324 and 424 for us or do we want to do a separate opening for that we got to do separate they're two different things we have to do a motion on this one or no yes there needs to be a motion and a second make a motion to approve it yeah you're making the motion I'll second it all in favor I all opposed motion carries 424 approving Elevate hpin multi-jurisdictional agreement 25 and 26 open for discussion uh yeah this is not a public here I got so I get you sure so in this is a new program which uh the city participated in 2023 2024 uh with the henen county to administer the Elevate henpen uh program essentially the the county partners with different advisers to offer free advice to uh area businesses in 2025 they're also oper offering two loan programs so one is a $50,000 loan and then the second is a $350,000 loan uh for the lease of commercial space so I believe with the $350,000 loan there there are some restrictions um our cost to participate in this is $2,500 per year um we let's see I believe in so far in 2026 if I remember correctly ly there's been 116 hours that have been spent by Consultants on dating businesses so if uh depending of what those would normally charge we're getting definitely getting way more than $2,500 out of it so this is a good deal for us the background says 140 hours 140 okay yeah so pretty good utilization I'd say yes yeah Dave say again 140 140 yeah is what we used in 24 yeah yeah yeah since January through June that was in June January through June cor oh six months so it's getting used I don't see a reason why not to continue I I don't I think it's getting used I think that's that's what we were hoping for okay agreed sir do we need a motion this so we're going to continue this yes just have a motion on that I'll make that motion second I'll second it second he second he said he okay sorry part of the cult all in favor I I all opposed motion carries and resolution 4-24 approving the elevated hanip and Maly jurisdictional agreement you'll keep track of that for next year as well yes make sure we're getting our money yep yes so Elevate uh hin provides a month or a report every six months months and that's where the 140 hours came from their report yes so the the next report we won't get until 2012020 yes I think they're doing some of their own promotion stuff but it might be something for us to discuss on whether you know if we're sending out any communication as Eda to include this so that businesses yes the awareness for businesses I think is important um so la last month we that that's a good segue into staff update so uh last month we we discussed putting out a flyer and kind of the direction was to include an article in the um the Dayton Chronicle so we're working on that this week and we'll include Elevate henen as part of that yeah I I mean I think it would make sense might as well promote what we're paying for [Music] yep all right before I do staff and board updates before I move to that one I want to talk make sure everybody got that email got sent out yesterday about our position with the uh triangle yes yesterday did you see email no i't hav't look at okay well I looked yesterday we were I was just talking didn't have any emails this morning I sit down they're all there which email did you send it to the G the I sent well because I know that you don't get the city one no I do get the city one but okay I'll look forward to either which not a discussion point for today I just want to make sure that we we hit your email check it we we we we Victorious on that decision and it went to a ag for H County and AG State I think also yeah I do see that triangle is now so our next conversation is about how do we fund it green L yeah so now and they can't take it away and I believe we have three or four pieces of property in on that same no those are on different deals everyone's different so we have to look at every every property differently okay so yeah so the the what you're talking about specific to the we refer to as a triangle property but it's a tax for fit property off of a Dayton Parkway in 81 I see but either way our pit pull did a job and she found that they had a big bunch of holes in it and their attorneys also agreed so winner for us is an Eda any any discussion on that no the next step now would be to uh have somebody uh figure out what it's going to take yeah well that's our face too and I in the email it should have said that we should get together with rain councel have a discussion for meeting as far as financing private I don't know how you do that tax levy no well that's not how you finance it I mean there there's a few options but we can you know as staff we we can present those to the council and the Eda all right just want to let you all know in case you didn't get the email that's where we're at I got it now I looked I don't have it it's not here all right staff board updates okay this is our last meeting so we we're kind of the plan is to go through kind of a tour of of different construction projects and just the status of where things are at right now uh so in plan review we we have a concept plan for TQ Farms this is a two lot proposed two lot subdivision off of uh laale um large Lots uh we are also working on ordinance amendments to create an E3 agricultural districts and the intent here is to allow a minim or should say an average lot size of 10 acres in Northwest Dayton as well as ordinance amendments on temporary signage uh s and parking uh Penning Council approval so these are projects does that mean the temporary signage and parking uh so the temporary signs can't this is there's a longer story with this so uh about a year ago we had complaints about uh signs that are on the corner um the city did not have an ordinance that prohibited signs in the right way uh so then we then adopted that in 20123 and after which we started getting complaints that signs were being taken by City staff and so so we kind of put a hold on it and decided to to address this again um so that's a separate issue from separate issue A3 District yes yep I'm just okay it wasn't a separate bullet so that's why I was not related a little confused I'm we have several ordinance amendments that we're working on so I just Clump them all together as one or one bullet point okay perfect uh projects that are are pending Council approval so we have a final PL for Dayton Creek Edition as well as Parkway neighborhood should add with the parkway neighborhood the developer is requesting a a subsidy from the city council uh then we have territorial Grove of 42 single family lots and then as well as an ordinance Amendment for cannabis uh under construction and all we've got a photos of each of these we have Dayton storage Opus uh braver Trails East which is residential as well as Riverwalk Third Edition and sunny inwoods 11th Edition uh other items we're working on uh the city purchased the baxer property off of 117th uh street so this closed in early December uh the Eda is purchasing the lent property which is the the photograph to the left um that we don't have closing date on but that will occur before the end of this year and then as we discussed earlier is the purchasing of the triangle property as far as photos go um this is the cubes we we have no news as of today there may be news later today as far as um who is going in there and when so this is something officially the Eda has reviewed as well as the council but I I can't talk about it yet so there's a an order of press releases that are going out and we're not first on the list so that's why it says to be announced soon is it this isn't a a new um we we've known about it for a few months so right yeah same party right same party yes I was going to say we discussed this a few meetings back I it's just not off about the whole fire suppression and was this the one with the fire Su the tanks that they had to put in or is that storage area oh that's the yeah yeah okay I remember y date 94 uh this was this is completely constructed I can't remember what your it was but sat vacant for a couple years um NFI is in the process of moving in their warehouse and distribution business so this is next to the cubes off of uh Interstate 94 or not 94 off of County Road 94 then we have Opus um turbine Pro is the primary tenant so this building is still under construction off of Dayton Parkway County Road 81 uh there's still 24,000 squ ft that's available uh turbine Pro is uh repair maintenance and and service business of turbines they are moving from Rogers MTL and curbside uh these projects are I believe are completed uh this is off of can't think of what the street is um it's a new Street um not on 81 but close to it so MTL is a warehouse distribution business and then MTL not MTL curbside is a waste business waste huler so their location in Dayton is a transfer station for organic waste uh it's not intended that items are kept there overnight but there's always going to going to be stuff there is MTL moving their stuff from Rogers over to here or are they doing you know I'm not really sure right MTL has many different locations yeah um and MTL and curbside have the same uh ownership so that that is why they're collocating but uh they have locations in Maple Grove also as well as Brooklyn Park uh Dayton storage so Jack this is the item you're referring to uh 40,000 ft Self Storage um when this was approved by the council uh well I should say one of the stipulations of building Cod was that it needed to be sprinkled uh the site that they're located on has no access to water and so just sat vacant for several years until water was extended um this past uh fall then we get into the residential items is braver Trails East off of 117th uh for 100 uh 139 Lots total Riverwalk second and third edition off of uh can between North Diamond Lake Road and Dayton River Road uh so we have the second edition with 41 it's in the Third Edition with 25 Lots uh the streets were paved uh this past fall and construction has started on some of the homes here Sundance screen's 11th Edition similarly the streets were put in this fall it's 31 Lots off of a Sundance Golf Course uh home yeah I believe home construction has started then Riverview Villa so this was an Eda project in the in Oldtown uh six units total so two buildings each with three units the first building it is going up so I I had a question on that one is the is the second building going up relatively soon or is that delayed for some period um I believe they're building one at a time so right now the foundation is was put up for both of them and then I I'm going I don't know this but I'm going to guess that the framers are doing the first building and then we'll do the second building once they finish okay but there's not like a year delay or something like that not I don't believe so okay so it's all going to be built within some reasonable time frame where is that located so this is in the Old Village off of uh Le street leevy street and bter so this is the river so that street the other side of that Street's the Mississippi River Okay so driving through 12 you wouldn't see it's hard to miss it you have you have to get off yeah so you have to look to right on the right on the sharp corner yeah you have on Main Street or Robinson Street you'd have to get off and go one block down then you'd see it um so in referring back to the the master plan for downtown if if this project works well I mean kind of the thought is that this project would be repeated all down the street as people sell as people sell so it's not something that as the city that we're doing this this is private development yeah I I don't think people are well some people may and some won't you know what I mean but it's yeah it'll be a longterm thing I think this is a sixplex yeah uh that building is three three three so but there'll be a second building with three units next it was the two lots that we talked about forever and the yeah I mean he wasn't the original design four or something and then he went to six there was a couple of different plans but this is the plan that was this is what finally got approved three units and two units One units anything we looked at all but then this went to six right there's two threes right two units of three I the only reason I asked is it was I mean and it's I think on your comments earlier you wanted you know the more units the more tax corre base we have so it ended up being more units than we originally thought is what I recall like it was going to be four or five or whatever ended up six well if it was hooked together it was going to be five or six and the downfall there was it couldn't be he couldn't cash flow that's building it all at one time okay so so then what is going to happen is he'll probably finish and rent these three and then build this second one when he has money y okay and that's I assume the council maybe did but that was in compliance with the agreement to yeah it's it's all in the da okay yeah cuz I mean I remember we had a certain period of time it had to be built in or something like that when say it's supposed to be completed by 26 without looking back at it I think they don't remember Construction Construction want smoothly any complaints from the neighbors I've not heard anything okay that is all that covered your A and B uh it covered my a so b b is updates from the Eda updates from the Eda if you have anything if we have anything yes anything okay I think a discussion coming is going to be how you're going to yep so he didn't remind me so one thing I I do need is um in discussion I think in previous meetings we talked about um requesting uh bonding from the legislature to to purchase property in the village I do need confirmation from the Eda that that is the direction to go so once again um you know whether it's a motion or a second or or just head nods of of something that confirms that we're uh the staff is on the same direction as uh the Eda that we applying the legislature to request uh funding to purchase property in uh the village a while back I sent in a conversation with certain senators and uh we have a very good chance of making that happen for us on the previous slide on one of these previous slides so I don't know if it's been filled out I thought it had the request that has been made on behalf of the and I want to talk to you about it if you want to pursue that and if we do we have to KN oure and say I applied for a $400,000 Grant in cash does the bonding apply to both property and this is from the the state so it's not not a property tax oh I was asking so so the bonding can be used to purchase property and enhance the property or just purchase yes and yes but it's a specific property agreed but I was thinking of the lent property like if we buy that do we then you know or you're you're thinking about more the triangle I take it no I just not using names oh okay okay but anyway that is correct and it's a grant you said correct well we we applied for two we applied for cash Grant yep and what was the other p uh it's just cash that we would qualify for however they both do it there was two different ways to do this we we have uh support in house and we have support in at the Senate and because it's a low ask uh the results are we're going to have a very favorable outcome so we need a we need a motion to say we're okay with this and we want to move forward with it is that what you're looking for John yes you just need you don't need a motion you just need a general consensus uh it Mo it helps to have it on the minutes motion to I don't have a problem I'll make the motion to appr second I'll second all in favor I I all opposed motion carries to continue continue with that process okay thank you um conversation we had an information about eddm and you sit Scott and probably take about two or three grand to do that EDM to uh create a card to send out to all of Dayton flyer like a handheld card yeah and uh my data shows that we are going to be about 1,00 bucks with the eddm I don't know about the printing part yet but it's only how many, 3,000 I we sent one out at the shop here just to do it and I think the whole thing cost us 1,200 bucks so if you want this Eda to be recognized in in potential clients for home based to graduate to Brick and morar we should probably explore that if you want to tell this city what we do are you uh is this your idea to send it to all residential and Commercial correct so how this is a not this is a notice just to say hey here we are we're the Eda this is what we can do for you if you you know you'd put a little blurp in there about borrowing some money or tools for you and this is an addition to the other communication we were talking about Communicator okay this a direct mailer Direct Mail Right understand um and what your comment about the home businesses is thing well if they want to graduate from home into a brooken Mir somewhere in the city where they contribute to a tax Bas okay because our official positions we don't talk about homebased businesses well yeah our our position I'm just wondering is that the group or is that is there an ie in uh our we've had it as Motion in the past yes I was just curious about the homebased business because we had discussion about that in the past about homebased businesses that are allowed and ones that are not allowed and then what the city ordinances are around that and are they enforced or not enforced but I just I was curious if that's where you were going but it sounds like no you're just saying hey if you have a home business and you're looking for something else Eda can help maybe you're looking to grow your business yeah I think before we send the flyer out let's have a discussion on some of the criteria in uh in the Lan area of it rather than just sending a a flyer out and all of a sudden next Tuesday somebody calls and said hey I seen a flyer saying I can borrow some money I want to borrow some money yeah I think we should have some criteria in there before it's we already it's in the yeah it's $50,000 what $50,000 no I know that but is there's criteria is there criteria for the borrower is what I'm yes I mean the criteria is the similar to what you would do to to take out a loan from the bank it's in that document that when we put it together so we just need to pull the criteria out of that document I mean maybe you want to review it I think we should review it before you send yeah well for sure yeah for sure but we we've already have these tools in place they've been there for a long time now we just want to make sure that okay we have this well we should I think we should review the content of the flyer whatever we're sending out post absolutely we haven't even built it yet this is just a we want an houre if we want to do it yeah okay is this something the Eda wants to do yeah I think we should be noy I think so you need a motion on that I I just Direction dire Direction you all good with that Dave yes Dave's yeah and again the edms usually around campaign time they do pretty good for the campaigners so why not use them for our advantage and that is if we can keep our Postal Service government related instead of privatized it's going to be a thing pretty soon this that's what I hear all right any other discussions you want to go on this situation any want to bring anything up we got plenty of time you know I I'm um I was kind of fascinated I was reading about Brooklyn Park and the development of that um area uh west of Target it was 260 some Acres or whatever it was and um project hot dish yeah and they hired a consultanting firm obviously somebody who is uh familiar with City uh planning and so forth to come up with a plan for this area multihousing and you know commercial obviously the uh blue line for whatever good that's going to do is going to end there so and I from a personal standpoint I've always thought that Dayton's development seems very Helter Skelter you have development scattered throughout the you know just trying to get here this morning was crazy um you know it took probably 10 minutes to get just across state River Road and um you know just just the thought came to mind is does Dayton or you know has the Ed ever done anything like that as a looking forward you know what how how the city should be organized or I mean I I noticed that we have all these new projects going in while in my mind all that means is more cars on the road and I mean I've probably the biggest complaint in my neighborhood is you can't get on Dayton River Road so I don't know how it all ties together but I was interest I read that article with a lot of interest to see that this city government is is looking at this development as a as a fairly large thing it needs to be somewhat organized into some something you know and um I I don't know I just thought i' brought bring that up that I thought it was interesting and is it something that you know date needs in the future I I don't know I think that um I saw that article too I thought it was interesting as well because it's kind of the last open chunk right along 169 there Y and U of course what stuck out to my mind was the $300,000 they're going to pay for this consultant to M this thing out and hopefully they get value out of that um you know certainly and John can speak to this much better than I can but you know we've done a couple of things well first of all a comprehensive plan kind of guides us in a big picture way around what should be happening but uh we've done a couple of efforts not overly successful I guess ultimately but um we did it just wrapped up a a a uh large area plan that um was intended to describe what a city center would look like over in the kind of the French Lake Area sure and there was another one done um driven mostly by the Eda uh for the Old Village area on what that could potentially U you know be redeveloped to look like over time um so some of those efforts have have happened you know are are we getting what we need out of them that's I guess depends who you ask but uh um but certainly that happens is there any place on the uh day and website admittedly I haven't searched a lot but that has these plans I mean I see them out there on we have many plans so the the comprehensive plan is probably the the the largest big picture plan U you know I will say with with Brooklyn Park you the more you spend the more detail you get so there there's uh you know our plan that we did for the master plan was about 45,000 it's nothing compared to the $300,000 plan that Brooklyn Park is doing um probably what what is most of Interest or beneficial is um and I can't remember what we're calling it but I'm going to call it an intersection study so we looked earlier in the year we looked at a I'm going to say the top 30 intersections and probably the top 10 that are most need um that has is pretty detailed as far as um what the problem is and also what generally what a solution is for each of these 30 uh inter problematic intersections um you know so that's the beginning like we've done a study we have we've identified what the problem is and what the solution we have no funding sources to fix it yeah go obviously with 610 169 area I mean that's a that's a huge intersection within uh within the nor suburbs and ultimately D Parkway in 49 or 94 um and possibly you know the eventual Bridge Bridge Crossing you know those are going to be major major opportunities my my thought is with the 20 the comprehensive Plan update that we'll U start doing in 2026 is U identifi further identifying the the road layout for Dayton Park Wave how do you connect the river to 94 for right cuz that like said I probably won't be around but it certainly well I mean the the plan talking about the the actual imp implementation of it however it's certainly is uh it's going to be a driving force in D sure y yeah you but you're just talking about connecting 94 to River Road not a river bridge it it's up ultimately it's up to the council or the two Dayton and and Ramsey and and whoever's going to pay for that which I don't think is going to be the C it'll be hundreds of millions of dollars for a BRI I mean it was 30 million for uh exit so it'll it'll be expensive yes um one thing I did want to bring up which is somewhat related is we've hired the attorney and she's done great work and she's been here we also talked about the um AIG re real estate person remember we talked about hiring someone that yeah and I don't know where and we hired him but uh three or four meetings ago I uh suggested on the agenda and I guess I'm suggesting again for maybe a future agenda that we have a discussion about direction to that person and maybe working a little more closely with him as we do the attorney to actually lay out some of these things that we're talking about cuz you have plans which are great but it's implementing which is the hard part and actually having this person look for companies that maybe have more employees and not just warehouses those types of things I think we need to give that direction they're already doing a soft look okay well um that's great I just think it would be good to have that on the agenda have him at least come and we don't want to turn them on unless you know it's ours yeah that we don't want to turn them on unless we know it's ours otherwise we're wasting their time well I know but how what direction are we giving this person so aig's job is to buy and sell property for the Eda and so in order for them to do their job we have to have property to buy and sell which we don't have okay so it's not their job to look for the property and or to so cuz I was under the understanding when we discussed this with them was that they were not only that but they were also to help us find interested parties and all these other things that would say like okay yeah there is a bit there's a tech company or whatever that wants they're looking for a spot what property I I thought it was this matching thing and it seems to me we woefully falling down on that and that we should have it on the agenda and talk about now maybe there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than I know about uh but at least as an Eda member I'm not aware of it and it seems like it should be on the agenda and we should talk about direction for that so AIG only works with property that the Eda owns so they you're a real estate agent okay so they're not doing what I describe I thought their Ro more broad than that that they were also in the in the business of lining us up with potential developers even if it's private I mean I think that's a great segue to to what I brought up is that okay so you know we're here to promote dating and economic development you know that doesn't necessarily have to mean that we have to own the property to to yeah and I don't even think that's normal I mean you look at the developments that we've been actively looking at at the at the council and I'll I won't pick on them but I'll use the the apartment uh complx complex off of Dayton Parkway as an example they're you know all in up to their necks in this in this deal I would say and there's been they don't own that property yet right it's all contingent on getting a approval for the project ultimately before they'll exchange cash with the property owner and I don't know why we would want to want to quite honestly um pursue anything any differently that than that that seems to be normal business for developers is they don't close on the land till they know they're going they've got the green light to build what they're proposing yes correct and so I get a little bit stuck on you know we're buying property but we don't have a plan so now we've got money tied up and so that's what I thought AIG was doing for us was you know trying to line up those potential developers with our potential um land purchases uh for our you know again they they represent the Eda not not private property owners within the city so um you know we we get calls probably almost daily from real estate agents of you know we've got a client looking at this property what work um it takes a long time before that in between that initial conversation before something comes to the Eda and Council for a project approval um but you know this happens regularly so um you know kind of on that note I guess you know question for the Eda is as far as I know if we don't have a vision for Dayton Parkway on the south end of the the parkway as far as what we would like to see between I'm going to say between Brockton and 81 um so when we get into the conversation of the triangle piece for example of what do you want to see there between Brockton and 81 and County Road 81 once you go north of 81 you get into some industrial and then the uh Farmland you're talking like the south side of Brockton in 8 um from the the Western border to County Road 81 okay I'm a little confused because because 81 runs north south and Brockton runs East West or yep andon Parkway goes at an angle huh just opposite of what okay Brockton is north and south 81 yeah East and West yeah so we had a conversation with AIG about this about that same property and we still were so far behind in our bylaws that it wasn't a quick time to jump me Zach AIG heads and AIG our a rep their Zach and soon as we got all the stuff straightened out then they this soft look is what they're going to say what kind of company now we sit in front of you guys and say what do you want to see there so absolutely there's plans ahead of this I would certainly think that they would be looking at that and if they have a buyer for a specific project I don't see why they wouldn't go out in initiate contact with that landowner and see hey we have an interested party can well that that's what I was kind of I mean I guess where I'm at and you know like obviously you know more maybe you've been talking to them but the um it seemed like they would have a network and that they do yes and that Network would be what they would be bringing to potentially to us to say hey we've got someone interested in doing this do you a have any properties you own or but at the time we had one legal saying we can't sell it and at the other time we didn't know if we could sell it but you're talking about one property right this is the start of the triangle yeah okay and we have to get a reduction order and now now that we have these we just got to talk to what type of what we want in there so you're exactly right it's just things aren't not now with yesterday's decision by the AIG I'm Sorry by the attorney general and Han County attorneys and our attorney now things are are very clear for us okay so should we put AIG on upcoming evented to give us a update the question that AIG is going to ask is what does the E Eda want to see there so in the the slides I had before we have several examples of buildings are industrial buildings are being built in Dayton right that's the example of the market so is that what you want to see at that location or do you want to see something different I mean I think our discussion has been and you know maybe this is just me but that we've got a hell of a lot of warehouses in Dayton I mean it's just one way Warehouse after another Warehouse after another warehouse and so those tend to be 20 30 people working in a 6 million square foot building or whatever it is uh you know I'd like to see you know like some of the things that are going in in Maple Grove a Boston Scientific uh those types of buildings that have hundreds of high paid employees that will help the Dayton tax base and uh not another Warehouse where you've got you know 20 people making $80,000 a year or whatever we did already have that soft Med as well and and their opinion was a high-tech facility for building building facility uh electronics whatever they do as as a company so you're exactly right they says do not put a another Warehouse here put a Mal floor or even a Campus of electrical engineering uh assembly because it'll fit that area better and we can call them in on that and say hey now that we've got a clear picture we can tell everyone else I don't have a clear picture yet so I guess the the direction I need from the Eda is what do you want to see not just this location but I'm going to say the rest of Dayton as far as well you heard my opinion I I don't know what others opinions are well I'd like to add and and I probably don't understand this but I did read an interesting article about Cross Lake I don't know if you saw that in the plate paper about the the complaints of all the pole buildings going up you know in this area and and all of a sudden they're change want to change the the zoning I'm sitting there like well that's kind of a crappy thing to do you know you have all these people that that bought all the stuff because it was legal to do now we don't like it so we're going to make it illegal Y and uh you know in the same IND dayon and I know we've had the discussion about warehousing versus and I don't know if the you know how much power the Eda has over the city's zoning of these lands and or restrictions of these lands but um it seems like in the Cross Lake deal well you know uh you're just putting Band-Aids on things that he once allowed now you don't and just you know as far as Eda and the vision of the Eda do the do the zoning laws and all the other restrictions that that we talk about does that fit into the eda's function and uh Vision the Eda has I'm going to say tremendous influence on the council but It ultimately it's up to the city council yeah I mean I I haven't spent any time looking at properties and what there's owned and and uh it's it's just a thought when I saw that article about Cross Lake I started laughing you know Cross Lake has more money than denen well yeah I'd say but as it happens when you put a bunch of rich people together you get fighting over something that's right you know and uh but still you know it it it's just a reminder of rules you changing right well that in the fact is is you know 10 years ago somebody was as a concern 10 years ago well now it is well it's not like we're saying no we're just saying what AIG recommended for that spot and again until we bring in front of us and they talks to us and says hey look they're they're their professionals don't do their job and they're going to come they already did this on a soft conversation now we can have that open conversation and I don't think it's about like saying you can't it's about what do you want yeah and to me it's like you know okay what what do we want moving forward what I to me what seems like we don't have are the kinds of businesses I described retail some of these other things you know I mean the the people that live here want some of those amenities otherwise yeah but this is you know drive by warehouses Jack this is a by area thing where nobody's going to put a jersey mics next to that yeah nobody's going to put medical office next to that that's why we listen to the professional and say what fits here yeah no no I agree 100% and that's all I'm saying is it seems like we should have more interaction like we do with the attorney with AIG then let's do that and so we know what's going on and what's call in our next meeting to have this conversation do we have any problems by doing this before we've uh had um we can't Market property we don't own well we can we just can't do anything we soft sell it again sir come people but again the question that they're going to ask the Eda is what do you want to see here office on the triangle office office off retail some retail on the south side I mean if the if I I don't know who AIG is I uh they must be a broker there are land Brokers that we all right so they come and say well you know I'm hate to tie this but because of the date Parkway in the land you really are Reg relegated to warehouses so the image we have up on the screen is Opus that's across the street from the triangle property this is the same thing West right uh this would be yeah so Maple Grove Parkway is is the street that's on the left side of the screen um this would probably fit on the same property so the question is do you want to see 100,000 ft Warehouse that could be you know in op's case there there is a Manu facturer type use there it's fairly unique but or it could easily just be a warehouse kind of high-tech facility cuz turbines are probably pretty high Precision it yes I mean Opus as we know are spec Builders they build spec buildings typically warehouses or whatever I mean they will build office and then they just try to find somebody to lease it yep you know and that's so you have no idea who's going in there right um which is you know maybe okay it's I think it comes back to like what Scott was saying I mean if if ultimately we could get something in there that would provide more jobs look more aesthetically pleasing those kinds of things that would be awesome MH if we can't maybe we end up with a warehouse I mean if you can't you know that's all you can do is try to say this is what we'd like to see more of and this is where the direct is but ultimately if if it's you know the only thing that's ever going to be interested in building in Dayton or warehouses well then that's where we're going to end up so what what I would encourage the Eda is have a vision and stick with it so I mean this land's been vacant for many years if you have a vision and feel strongly about it you can wait for the market to catch up with it and I don't I don't know you know where the you know even in private property for instance since um uh my the previous building that I owned we sold in 2022 had eight bays in it was 40,000 square foot with with a a a door I'm sorry five Bays uh a dock loading dock and you know five of them and uh of course the Realtors say well you're going to get nothing for this building it doesn't have 14 ft High ceilings well what you need for warehouse you know however it subsequently um you know my research is is that uh it's almost impossible to find 1,200 2500 square F foot um space to open your business I mean it's it's just almost impossible all those companies that own those they're filled up now that might change in two years all it goes through Cycles but but I know that's a a very high demand you know but then you get machine shops and framing you know picture framing shops and you know all sorts of a company Rogers does that and it's kind of the same thing they're it's called Carefree storage they have the storage facilities and they have rental feces up front for small startup businesses before they go to the next level and they can't keep them full yeah I don't know maybe it I I you know I can't speak specifically to what what the actual requirements are you know and maybe it's larger spaces 5,000 square fet I don't know cor for instance I I was just telling you what I see out there and talk to these people yeah but we get you it'll be interesting to see the the what was the development across from Dean called that's Dayton um it has the retail in it and everything oh DCM Farms that's being proposed yeah yeah I mean it's not gone forward yet but correct if it does go forward I guess it'll be interesting to see how quickly those retail spaces fill and then we'll have some idea of what the demand is because you know I mean that's the other thing like I think Scott was saying you know maybe office and maybe there's some retail well typically what you know you build 2500 squ ft retail spaces and then you lease them and maybe you know I mean Opus does build buildings like that they tend to build more bigger Warehouse buildings or Office Buildings to spec but uh I I think they do some retail stuff too where you know you'd lease it okay so why don't we send him an email of what you'd like to see in the Triangle let's set up with AIG next it it is so I I don't think I I'd rather get direction from the Eda now yeah we we don't have a good track record with email then I'm saying a high-tech facility assembly facility like AIG recommended that's what I'm saying what do you saying I'm saying the same maybe some retail like Scott said okay light industrial and you know the other at a high level I think that it would be important for an update okay I I'm I mean I know you say a AIG you know they want specifics what do you want well from the Ed standpoint I would look at it and say okay what's Market looking like you know what's changing what's hot what's not you know because ultimately you know uh hopefully we get more properties like the Triangle Well you know if we want high-tech Med and uh you know it's not in demand requested a meeting with the IG I don't know let's bring them in front of us I I got that so I guess the dire what I'm asking for is if the eda's vision is for High-Tech manufacturing as an example you're going to have to say no to a lot of other projects that want to build here I don't I I don't think it's just that I mean I don't think so either office space high-tech uh you know businesses that have more employees meaning you know I mean that's what we're trying to do is build the tax Spas you know build have actual employees that live in Dayton or businesses that operate in Dayton that have employees and I think you know that could that could span a lot of different businesses it's probably just you know 94 is right there the demand is going to be warehouses and that's what it has been and that's why you see all the warehouses that have gone up because guess what's happening company comes to city council says you know I'd like to buy this thing and I'm proposing this building and it's a you know it's a warehouse and we don't say no and so Warehouse goes up and then the next come and that's what's happened and so the question is do we want to be more deliberate about what we're trying to put there which I think is what Scott and uh well yeah what do you want to put in there what do you see as a vision prob I go with Scott as far as office space okay I don't personally believe in adding any storefronts just because you see it every day stores are closing left and right with all the online shopping yeah true Dave I honestly don't know anymore um you know I had thought that the based on the comp plan and and my own thoughts that that that area would be would be good ultimately for High-Tech Med medical manufacturing that you know doesn't have to be Medical but you know higher end kind of kind of things um and uh but then we put a truck stop there so I don't know what that space wants to be anymore yeah John does that work for you do you have enough Direction now uh enough but there's still the question what is the vision for Dayton Parkway and we don't have one yet we don't have that time today well well yeah and I mean some of it's already been determined like like you said that there was all this debate about the truck stop and then uh the city council must have approved the truck stop I know they're looking at sign variances and different things so I mean to some degree hopefully we can get some mix in there but you know like some of it's already determined I mean the buildings are going up the you know there's we can help try to set a vision for what's left but I mean that's peace meal I mean that it's already done article in Brooklyn Park said you know one of their Visions is create a medical park within that property yeah for medical startups you know medical manufacturing and of course there's a ton of them over there you know you have we need to grab a couple you you have Biometrics you have um Olympus Olympus tlex you know I mean I mean that that whole corner of maybe somebody who works at date and we see our flyer and tell the boss hey we have space did that answer your question ear uh 75% okay and I think the the remaining 25% and I know we keep going back but what do you want well like I said does the Eda need an update as to where the market is going what will the area support yes what will the area support are we spinning our Wheels by saying this is what we want and that's not what's going on today that's not what's realistic yes that's why the AIG is next let's let's talk to them yeah I don't think we need it enough um we're going to pull the pin who wants to call it motion to adjourn are we all done yeah Mo second all in favor I I'll oppos thanks guys e