Call to order the city of Dayton's park commission meeting for November 5th. >> Let's stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. >> Right. I call for any additions, changes, deletions to the agenda. All right. Hearing none, entertain a motion to approve the agenda. >> Motion. >> I'll second. >> All in favor say I. I. All right. All right. On to the consent agenda. Entertain a motion to approve the meeting notes from last month. >> I'll move to motion. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> All oppose. Same sign. All right. Open form limited to three minutes. Non-aggenda items. State your name, address is with the San Die. >> Fantastic. anybody online. >> We don't have Zoom link up today. >> Sad our followers. [laughter] >> We should get so much feedback. >> Yeah. >> All right. Uh Councilman Sonic update. >> Uh let's see. Um council looked over the uh Stevens plan. Um the elaborate $20 million plan. Um though everybody did say it was a very nice dream plan. Uh it's certainly not in the Dayton's checkbook. Um some of uh that probably I guess could be cons contributed to we maybe should have gave MSA a budget before we started that whole idea and nobody did. So they just kind of went with whatever they thought was great. >> Sure. Um, we did talk about uh what to do for phase one. Um, now whether or not that happens in 26 or not, I'm not sure, but um the main priorities that council uh wanted to see happen for for the first phase was bathrooms on the west side. >> Okay. >> Uh there was overwhelming support for a splash pad if we can keep it under 1.5 million bucks. >> [laughter] >> And I think the half a million dollars will be enough. [laughter] >> Um, and then a cover over the amphitheater. >> Did they discuss what kind of cover they'd like to see? >> Hard not cover. >> Absolutely. There was no zero support for this the the canvas sales. >> Okay. >> Scott, did they want us to look at uh some park additional parking over that side as well? >> Parking? Yeah. like 3540 stalls is what kind of that's what MSA threw together. >> So >> yeah, that was a nice setup. >> Yep. So that's pretty much that. Um um there is another uh parcel of land that came into play from Three Rivers that has to do with the bike the the so-called bike trail. Uh, and that was tabled so that we can get three rivers back in here and get some more details on the on the trail itself. Uh, an actual what are we going to do? When are we going to do it? Try and get them nailed down a little bit. So, we'll see where that goes >> cuz it remind me earlier in the year they had one that they purchased. They come the city of two and then everything else was on hold after that. >> Yep. And now there's another one that say the bleeding hearts came out and please please let us buy another one. Okay. >> So for now that got put on hold and or tabled and we'll see where it goes. >> Okay. >> That's really it. >> As far as the rest of the design, did they like the ideas at the 10,000 ft level of how everything was laid out >> as far as Stevens? >> Yeah. Oh, we had to most everybody liked the design, but let's be real here. I mean, >> we can't spend $20 million on that park. >> And then ask for partnerships, you know, going to some of the businesses, seeing if they'd sponsor out of the >> That's a possibility. I mean, yeah, that's some some work that staff will have to work on. I mean, right now what we're looking at is is uh what's in the budget to do just city just without bonding. Um, number one, if I mean to me the park is going to take somewhere around 5 6 7 million bucks to do. Now, that would be a a lower caliber uh farmhouse style uh what would you call it? Entertainment center, you know, the a building, >> right? um not no seven 8 million building but um if you go to even the5 or 6 million those we're talking about bonding for sure >> right >> and then it has to go to a referendum so so the suggestion was made is what can we go to without bringing the referendum to get something started so >> I think a lot of our conversations were tied to if the total number is 20 what can we get in grants what can we get in sponsorships etc. you know, could we sell, you know, could we maybe get that number down inside under 10, you know, what could it look like long term? >> Y >> um you know, and I don't know that, you know, we have the perfect answer, but the definitely wasn't the plan to, you know, 20 million day one and, [laughter] you know, make every it just it was a a phased plan along with, you know, whatever grants we before we go for any further at all. The whole thought was what could we get in grants? >> Yep. Um, and then obviously sponsorships and that kind of stuff and then phase it out over, you know, five, six, seven years, whatever it needs to be. But that was kind of a that's where we were coming from. >> We definitely didn't I don't think anybody in the room was thinking, hey, let's just throw 20 million at the the citizens and let them figure it out. >> For sure. >> Yeah, >> if that makes sense. So, >> go ahead. >> That is where we're coming from, if that makes sense at all. What did the council think of the phases that they had laid out? Phase one, we would do this. Phase two, we would do this. >> The the number one item that people that residents requested was bathrooms, and that was MSA's last item. >> Okay. >> So, not necessarily in any real order. I mean, uh, council talked about trying to to knock off the first first three important things to residents and and see if we can do that. One was bathrooms. Do you remember what two and three were? >> I know. Splash pad was three or four. >> I don't remember what they were. >> Remember off the top of my head? >> Restrooms was number one for sure. And I think Splash Pad was three. >> Yeah. >> But I'd personally the $1.5 million number for a splash. I mean, yeah, I'm sure you can build it and it would be the nicest one in 100 mile range. Uh, but I mean, we don't need that. St. Michael built one 5 years ago for 225,000 bucks and I guess to me, that's all we need. Now, that might be three or four or five. That might be 400,000 by now. >> Yeah. >> Material, but it's not 1.5, >> right? >> Okay. >> Um, yeah. And one of the things that we talked about last time is me coming from Sou Falls. One of the big things that a lot of the parks now, a lot of the parks department is actually doing the sponsorship and that's where we kind of got that idea is, you know, there was just a couple parks that were just remodeled that literally was almost 100% private donation. M >> so seeing different ways to utilize that in our community might be a good way to you know once again not make the city write out a check for you know $20 million but maybe only good portion of it. So could be >> I think that'll come over the winter here and and just see where what conversations come up on that deal. >> Sure. >> I would just say on the the grants um part of it we started working with MSA and getting a few ideas out there. We had a meeting couple couple weeks ago now I think it was um just to discuss what options are out there um there's various different options for you know for the basics for grant writing and stuff like that and to you know all types of different facilities that are possible to get funding for. So that ball started rolling. Um we'll start looking at what grants are available specific to this and what the time frame is to get the grants in for those and you know there may be some we can get applied for this year or maybe they it depends on the timing and the dates when they have to be in but we have started looking at that. We haven't done too much on the sponsorship just yet but I'm sure that's something that we will work our way through as we start progressing this this project. And you know, next year is going to be a design year. I'm pretty much thinking um to get, you know, the splash pad and all that laid out and what we're going to do for bathrooms, what type of splash pad it's going to be. We did do a little bit of work on the St. Michael uh splash pad over there. Um and it's it's a a different type of splash pad because they they don't recirculate the water. they just uh send it out to a storm pond and use it for irrigation from there. So that might be a cheaper way of doing it. I don't you know we'll start looking at different options for how that works and what that what the cost is on that. And I think the maintenance cost is going to be another issue that we need to factor in as well. >> Okay. >> It's a kind of a gather information for now and see what we can do >> for sure. It's possible because that's done on the west side that some of that work could be started next next summer sometime or I'm hoping that we can get the covered uh amphitheater thing going by April May so that it's done by June 1st. >> You'd like the cover done by June 1st. Got it. Okay. >> I'm going to push strong for that. >> I get it. Good to know as we start looking out for next year. >> Not that the uh cover will will prevent any of the rain events because people aren't going to come if it's raining anyway, but >> So, >> so what is the push for the cover? Why are you guys wanting to cover sooner? >> A lot of bands want to cover a lot of your better bands. Okay. >> From a sun perspective or what do you know what it is that they why they're demanding it? >> Well, I wouldn't say they're demanding it, but a lot of your like uh for instance the Riverfest band. I mean, they came and played there, but that's a $7,000 band for for the evening. And you start talking5 to $10,000 band, they want covers. >> So, they ask if there's shelter for them right off the bat. >> [clears throat] >> The primary primary deal that what drives that is their equipment. >> They don't want any anything moisture on their equipment. >> Okay. Any other updates? >> No, I don't think so. >> Any city staff updates? >> Um, no. I don't have any currently. We'll cover some of those tonight. And there's an update on the park improvements project this year. So that's pretty much what I got going on. All the other projects are kind of winding up now. >> Okay. Anything? All right. Thanks everybody for your updates. On to our regular meeting items. Budget check-in. Okay. Um I just I got the current uh fund balances this morning off of Zack. This is where we currently stand. The parks fund is 3.4 million. Um some of those funds are still uh going to be used up for finalizing this year's park improvement projects. Um and then there's 1.5 million that we're looking for for LC Stevens for next year. that comes out of there. Um trails fund um is 3.3 million. Um there's 200,000 of this potentially going to be needed with the water trails project with three rivers park district on there. Um land next to Gooden Park there. Um so that's where we stand currently. Um I did do this. This is from my um this isn't the official CIP document that's not completed yet. This is my cheat sheet that I put together. >> Sure. >> Um so I don't know how far you want to look at out on this. Um but there there's most of stuff um well there's some new items on here. There's quite a few new items. So one of the things is we're trying to look at building a nursery. Um we're starting to um spend money uh on trees um replacements or um additional trees to to areas to give additional screening. We've done some work over at uh the disc golf course this year to give the neighbors some additional trees to screen their yards. And we um replace a bunch of dead trees in there. And with the emerald ashbor thing going through, we need to have trees on hand. Um if we go to somewhere a nursery um uh they will charge us 600 bucks for a tree and planting. Um addition I guess we could probably get that cheaper for bulk buying but still a big number. Um if we have our own um nursery and uh stuff like that the tree cost will come down to more like 75 bucks a tree for us to put those in the ground. I have done a lot of work um with the arborist and Henipin County with their tree uh tree people and there are a bunch of grants available out there um for setting up nurseries um for tree stock and for um for designing these things. Um so we're looking at all uh a lot of grants for those. I know here the funding source says city at that time that was what we're looking at but since then there are some grant opportunities that we'll be exploring. So that project is spread out over a couple of years um with the 2027 being the major construction of the nursery um and then tree stock for the nursery uh following in 2028 um and then additional tree stock as we go through. Um those numbers are a little bit of a placeholder because I don't know how much how many trees we're going to be using and what the you know uh how many trees will survive at the the nursery. I'm expecting a lot of trees to survive. Um we're going to put in gravel beds to start them off and then the trees that we don't use that year we will put into the actual nursery itself. So there'll be two sorts of stock there available to us. So, it's kind of we got to do a bit of a balance check to to see exactly what those numbers flesh out like. >> And this is out of the city 404 fund, not the parking >> second. Sorry. >> Is this the city fund or the parks development 404 fund that the $100,000 to kick this off would be? >> Uh, this is a 404 park development fund 404. Okay. Trees take a lot of work. >> Yeah, they do. >> You going to be able to hire new staff for this or something else you're going to put on a new hat for? >> Um, we will I don't know exactly how much work there is involved in that. So, we would have to look at that a little bit, but there are some volunteer people that we can get you to utilize in this. Um, Henipin County do that a lot. So we would look at some of those uh uh uh work I think they call workforce um type agencies who have uh volunteers and they have a lot of volunteers come through Henipin County who are college and want to get experience in the field. So sometimes you get those for people for a year to come and work work with you. So there are some opportunities there. Um and we would also look at maybe having to hire staff once we get a good feel for how this thing develops out. Interesting. Um, Diamond Lake Diamonds renovations is on here. Um, that's one of the projects that, uh, we're going to talk about tonight. John's going to probably do the most lead on that. Um, we spread our payments out over four years um to build this out. We haven't got a firm cost on it just yet. These are just some ear marking funds. Um and then additionally in 404 there's the treetop for the nursery like we just uh discussed. Uh park dedication funds 405 there's uh we've been saving money for uh community park for a few years here. There's 150,000 currently in the CIP uh for that. Um the second phase of area 21 uh uh is scheduled for next year. That's a $200,000 um project. Um there will be some irrigation required at that uh park to add on to what we're putting in this year. Um so there will be some funding coming from the water fund to to add that in. Uh we got some Stevens phasing in here. I'm not sure if this is still relevant, but this was from the existing u uh uh CIP. I haven't I haven't looked at these since we've had the discussions over the last couple of weeks. So, they're just some placeholder numbers in there. Um, and then further out, we have uh construction of a community park scheduled for 2029, but that's realistic or not, I don't know. But again, they're ear placeholder funds >> for sure. >> Um, park capital replacement. Um there's a couple of things on here. They're longerterm things. Um the structures at uh Clover overlook um they've been in there since uh 1998 I think those were put in. [clears throat] Um so they're starting to age a little bit. They're still in good shape. Um so we put some funding in there because they're going to need replacing at some stage. Um and then the playground equipment at Clo will be up for uh replacement in 2032. >> Okay. >> Just working on the average lifespan of of uh playgrounds. If it's still in good shape, then maybe we can push that out a little bit, but we we need to put something in there. And then the the next one will be to uh replace the equipment at McNeel. >> Got it. Um then on the park trail development fund. Um we got the water trail stuff in there for 2026 at DNR. Um we going to be doing uh Elsie Stevens as well that uh 2026. I haven't updated that in here yet, but these are all grant funded. Um they're not city costs. Uh there's the the uh thing in there for the access at Gooden Park. that's uh in there for a million. That was what the original idea was. Um we're probably going to be more around 700,000. I know that Three Rivers got 500,000. We are budgeting 2000,000 for there and there probably going to be some funding left from the National Park Service grant and the federal funding. I'm thinking that will help that 200,000. So I don't think the city will be funding it all all the 200,000. But, um, good. >> We're just putting it there to make sure that we're going to cover all our things. Um, and then there's the trails. Um, the the area along uh Territorial Road from Territorial Trail to Rush Creek Parkway. We've looked at that. That's state for 20 2028. Um, budget of 830,000 for that. Um, that's city developer funded. >> Mhm. Um then a trail along Fernbrook Lane um Rush Creek Parkway to Three Rivers uh Park District Underpass. Um that's slate for 2028, but that um may slide because it depends when Hedman County do their uh covert work on Furbrook Lane, but that's a partnership with Three Rivers and the City. >> Mhm. >> Um [clears throat] where are we? Uh trail construction Pine View Trail. Oh, 137 to date and River Road. That's the final stretch out here on Pine View that needs to get up to the river road. Um then the trail construction we've been looking at for Barkshire Lane to 140th. um that is in here for 2029 uh which will tie in with Henipin County re um rework of uh through uh Dayton River Road. Um potential is there maybe a roundabout put in there. We can access that um for our pedestrian crossing. Uh and then again 2029 for the same reason um an extension from Bolsam Lane to Donnie Galloway Park. So that will get us across Bam Lane onto the north side of Dayton River Road all the way down to Donny Galloway Park. Um and then the trail construction from 142nd on the river road all the way down to Clo Overlook Park. And that's those are county through Rivers Park District uh costs and not we're not putting any city funds into those at all. So that's all I have on my cheat sheet for budget at this time and once I get the the final CIP I can share that with you guys. >> Yeah, we'd like to see that. >> Yeah, I it's just not finalized. I wanted to use >> We appreciate this. Even at the higher level, we get an idea of what the plans are moving forward. >> Yeah. Okay. >> You have any questions for Marty? No, I guess my mo most concern is I know that as dating continues to grow, there's going to be more and more needs for all of these resources. So, it's good that to see that we're moving ahead with some of the better projects that we needed. So, >> thank you for that. >> Even if it is ideas for now. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. >> All right. uh Diamond Lake Diamonds discussion. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh so this kind of relates to previous discussions of how can we use um what resources we have better. So we have uh Diamond Lake Diamonds Park uh which has been underutilized for some time. Um there's a history, you know, currently there is a softball field there and historically we've had two. um it's seldomly used. So I know uh the city and CDA have a needs for other park facilities. Uh we had worked with MSA to to pro create um three different draft plans. Uh that's included within your packet. Uh staff and MSA and CDA met earlier this week to try to narrow that down to one plan and that's uh was provided to you just in paper form. So I don't think we have Yeah, we don't have What? >> We don't have this as a slide. >> No, we don't. Apparently, it came in too late to get it on, but >> um the I'm going to call the final draft or the most recent draft is a one baseball field. Yes. Uh for 12U baseball um as well as two soccer fields for uh grade three and four. Um so MSA looked at a lot of things of essentially how much stuff can be can be packed on the site. um that's included in the three drafts that were provided to you in the packet. Um in conversations, it's more realistic to kind of narrow the scope of the of what can fit and do well. Uh so in addition to the baseball field and the two soccer fields, there's parking lot for believe it was 67 spots. Um you know, once we have more details, um you know, things might shrink a little bit, but that's kind of a a good uh place to start. Mhm. >> Um >> then we also have Rick Lopner here from CDA. >> Okay. >> Can I just say one thing? >> Yes, you can. >> Um and the final design um once we get there, we'll rely on the the existing public workshop going away. Um so that will happen after we extend the uh the new public workshop to accommodate that equipment that's stored in there. And then we can do that. >> Pleasure is going to go away. H. >> Yeah, >> it's okay. >> Okay. Building was built in the 1960s or something. >> I mean, I don't want to touch it. Might fall over. Touch it. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Um, so obviously was discussed one field versus two fields, single field. Uh, will this have nightlights so it can go through the evening and other amenities, restrooms and all that stuff? Is that the plan? um if you'd like to put it in the plan, it can be added. So, it's all based on funding sources. So, we're kind of starting at what is what is affordable initially and then how can we grow with it. I think for um the immediate future, the plan is to just use it as a practice baseball field. Uh so, this is um dimensionally uh 12 U about the biggest uh baseball field we can fit on the site. Um, and I think 12U currently is uh at Dayton Dayton Elementary and trying to remember from my baseball days. Dayton Elementary and uh North >> Northland >> Northland and Champlain. >> Yeah. And then JRock >> and JRock. >> JRock and Reynolds. So, so 12U, you know, as a practice field, it it can also be used by 13U, but it's not a regulatory sized 13U field. will not be used as schemes. >> Why not retrofit retrofit the current setup, the current field that's there to fit this versus shuffling it all around? >> Shuffling around. >> Um the way the field well it depends on how much you shuffle. So currently there the field is pretty much backed into the corner. Um it it's not a safe place if if you have um I'm going to say anyone, you know, uh spectators or kids or anything that are outside of the field. Um as well as uh foul balls that may enter the street. Um within the concept plan, it it is proposing fencing that goes around the field. So, you know, that could also be added if if the field stayed where where it is. Um, designwise, uh, the the preferred orientation for baseball is that you have home plate and you're hitting towards the northeast. You know, same thing with soccer fields is they're more intended to be north south oriented >> and this fits your needs or versus having two fields, you'd rather have one built out field. >> I said, whatever. >> Yeah. our our basic needs are or my priority is actually >> Rick if you could just introduce yourself. >> Oh, uh Rick Lener, uh 12701 Overlook Road, Dayton. Um executive director elect CDAA. Um yeah, our our biggest immediate needs is is uh some smaller soccer fields. Um we've got an issue where over overt taxing one of the uh at JRE um when we have two baseball games and three soccer fields going it parking's half mile away um and the city's asked us to you know find other other places and this would be uh someplace where we can move uh move that. So, that's our mostly need need. Also, baseball practice fields. Jackson, uh um if anybody's ever had kids practice there or whatever, it's not maintained. Uh not safe, just not not very good fields. It used to be maintained by city of Champ and helped out. They just staff to help out and and do those also. And the district doesn't maintain it and they don't allow us to maintain it. Um and so we need to get off of using that. It's just not very good. So, uh, so practice field for baseball. Um, I think the design to eventually, hey, if if if we don't have, uh, park someplace else long term, this could have potential to be a a game field long term. Um, also with the small two smaller soccer fields, it also could be a lacrosse practice uh, space early in season that goes the same time as baseball. So, it's with the parking with the additional parking allows us to have two things going on at once. Um, you would not be able to do three soccer fields at this. It would be way too much parking needed. >> Is the CDAA willing to assist financially with this? >> Yes, you actually have um significant money already uh of ours and we would, you know, we'd be able to to assist. Depends on what and then obviously if you can get grants and such. Um, but yeah, we would be >> Is concept C kind of the direction you think you want to go? is that >> uh it seemed the most reasonable. Some of the other ones like two baseball fields didn't really seem to work very well um because you need more parking to be able to do that and you would not have enough parking to have two baseball fields unless there were just practice fields which then doesn't allow you long term to be able to have them be game fields. >> Sure. And is the thought process on this that it be a mix of CDA funds, grants, any additional sponsorships, etc. Anything like that? And then >> you can get the funds. Yeah. >> Okay. And then the rest of the money would be coming from >> probably the city. >> The Okay. From the city. >> All right. We have any clue on the price tag [clears throat] or we thinking it's >> We haven't got that far yet. Okay. >> We're still working on the >> It makes sense. I >> and the other thing with the soccer is it's obviously the cheapest to put in first. >> Um, >> but I like the versatility that you're doing multiple things on the space. I mean, that's obviously space is always the issue and looks like you've got a plan here that are going to be more than just one use, >> right? Be used throughout throughout the summer. >> I guess my only concern is well two. Um, I see that it's marked down for a picnic shelter and storage space and then a restroom area that looks like it's smaller than a car. Um, thinking of all the kids and all this. I would assume that we would be putting in a regular size bathroom and making sure there's the facilities for, you know, >> that's up to you guys. I don't think any of our the Champlain fields have regular bathrooms. Everything is other than uh Andrews I think >> everything is >> I don't know >> portaotties. >> Yeah. I don't know that she has much for uh septic capacity there >> interesting >> another uh thought Marty and I don't know if >> Clo's got a huge grass just a weed field. >> Mhm. >> That's a prairie scum. It's a prairie. [laughter] >> I said it right. There there's there's enough room there for something too. >> Parking though. >> Yeah, there's plent there's parking there. >> Well, yeah, there's a little bit of parking there. I I don't know because that has always been designated as a prairie. Um I I haven't really been approached about doing anything else there. Um, I not against the idea, but I think that's a really wellestablished prairie. I had prairie restorations come out and look at it and they were super impressed with the way that thing looks. It's one of the best examples of a prairie in the state apparently. >> I need a placard on it then. >> Huh? >> We need a placard on it then. >> Best in the state. >> You can sponsor it. [laughter] >> I've got 50 cents. Nobody else. >> I do like the plan though. But it looks like, you know, well [clears throat] thought out and as one of my neighbors has went there to play catch with their kids and they've actually said how terrible it was for parking and you know how it was very out ofd. So I think something needs to be done and you know I think you guys have put a lot of thought into this. I like how you know I didn't know that northeast is the way that you're supposed to hit a baseball. Um so I learned something tonight. Um, but I do like the fact that, you know, not just utilizing one sport, but trying to utilize more. Um, and then also the parking being away from the intersection and the fencing, you know, area would be really good, I think. So, >> I think yeah, we so our oldest played at CDA this year and we had one practice there and it was a little awkward, you know, just with all the traffic that comes from South Diamond. So, um, what's the height of the fence? >> Uh, it's not determined. So, I mean, part of it >> for 12U obviously that's the hard part, right? So, I was just thinking like, do we set ourselves up? I don't know if you guys remember back in the day, uh, Northern Palms. You guys remember Northern Palms? So, the new huge Rogers Fieldhouse that just came up, that was a golf, uh, indoor outdoor golf dome called Northern Palms, and it didn't make it. And I can tell you what happened. Um, one of the guys I grew up with that was a really good player and he played professionally. Uh, he was hitting balls into North Diamond Lake Road >> and the cars driving by on North Diamond Lake there, right? You know, Rogers Middle School, High School in the fieldhouse. And so that area that's now the fieldhouse was high school kids hitting balls out at the traffic. So that was just a legitimate fear of mine. Again, at 12, we should be fine. But like will we have any to deal with any potential uh insurance claims from cars getting hit on, you know, balls? >> Yes. >> Okay. And we'd be protected by that or we'd be >> I think that we would try to get the fence big enough to to contain anything. >> Yeah. No, it's just something I was thinking about and even when we had practice there last year, I'm like, "Oh my gosh, just being over here >> if a kid runs out into you know like it just >> that's one of the things that we talked about and you know that was why we tried to put it this way because you know >> there's no activity happening over there except for just the ball. There's no humans on on the busy >> foul balls are going to go out you know not out onto the road, you know, they'll be behind you and stuff." So >> there was some consideration put into. don't know exactly what height of fence that we would need to put there, but I'm sure there's some way of calculating that >> and some type of netting. It >> it's tight and or the space is tight and you're going to have foul balls that are going to go up much higher than you know if you're hitting trying to hit a home run. So, I don't think home runs are the issue. It's going to be the foul balls. It'll be um you know, this soccer probably isn't as big of a concern, I think. >> Right. I would agree. Yeah, it's a tight site. >> Even lacrosse isn't that much of a concern because they're not going >> very far. >> And with soccer and lacrosse mean I think this is for younger kids. So it's >> when so obviously way down the road, but is the thought that this would all be sold seated? What what direction >> be I think it'd have to be sorted early. Yeah. >> Okay. I think the baseball field would definitely be sorted and maybe the rest could be seated, but >> I think there'll be irrigation put in there whatever way we do anyway. >> That's one of the big keys having irrigation. One reason we don't use sock or whatever is just it >> trying to do that on on irrigated grass is not does not work very well. >> Shouldn't be much of a problem. That thing usually floods. >> Okay. >> What is the soil? >> Clay. >> It's all clay. I'm good with it. I like the proposal. I like the ideas. It is very well thought out. >> Okay. Well, we'll continue with the process. Um I guess we'll refine the design and start getting some costs together. >> Yeah. The the big part in this probably is uh apart from funding is timing. So, you know, the ball fields dependent on the um public works building expansion. You know, I would imagine the soccer fields could be done as probably phase one. Sure. Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Next item. >> Park updates presentation. >> Oh, yeah. >> Love it. >> Knock us out of the park, Mar. >> All right. Just don't hit a car. Okay. So, I'm just going to run through a couple of slides here. This is the original um plan, the bid plan for um area 21. This is the original layout. Um this is the area that we're working on this year. Um the south end will be something that we're hoping to do next year. Um I just wanted to show you what the situation is out there currently. Um we've have have the basketball court in um it's paved. Um we're not going to be able to uh get the markings down or the surface in. Um just due to uh weather and temperature constraints. Uh the sand volleyball court is in. Um we uh the sleeves and everything for the nets are in. We're just waiting for the the structures to be delivered. The playground itself is all um in and constructed. Um there's a couple of areas that we're waiting for poured in place um material to be put in. I'm not I'm doubtful that that's going to happen this year. Probably going to have to wait until the spring. Again, temperature constraints with that. Um and look at the playground. The playground shelters in there's a portable biff there which is really attractive. [laughter] Um so um yeah the the there's still uh furniture to go in. Um um yeah that's all the area 21 stuff. Obviously there's still the irrigation's got to be completed over there. Um seeding's got to be done. Uh the trees are going to go in uh next year in the spring just because there's no seeding in there. I don't want to go in there and rip up everything. Um, and they haven't got their irrigation fixed up in there yet. So, until that's done, I don't want to put trees in because, you know, we're not going to be able to water them. I'd rather water them from the irrigation system when that's in. >> Sure. >> Um, so, and then I own Gardens, which a much smaller project. Um, just some uh work around the playground itself. And of course, we did the irrigation project in there. Uh this year um there were some additional trees um that were with the contract. There are some trees that were outside of the contract. I did get uh uh those trees in this year because we were much further along with this project. Um so the grass is coming in. Um this is the uh area where they put in the paving um the seating blocks and some stone stonework a couple of trees in there and some shrubs and some grasses. Um, but the irrigation has made a huge difference to this area. Uh, we couldn't get anything to grow in there before. Public works did do a lot of grading in there to uh improve the mowing the mowability of the uh the playground uh and the the green space around there. And we've had some positive feedback from the residents in there. Um, which is good because they were really frustrated with the condition that it was in before. >> Right. >> So, this is uh a step in the right direction. >> Good. Awesome. >> Um, finance wise, um, we're on still on budget. Um, we still have 22 $23,000 in contingency. Um, we do have a couple of, uh, change orders and a couple of overruns to account for in there, but I've accounted for those numbers in this um, and we're still in a good place to get this um, across the line um, under budget. Nice. [clears throat] That's my presentation on that those parks improvements this year. Awesome. >> I like the way I came out. >> Yeah. Questions for Marty on either of these. Okay. Good. Looks good. Thank you very much. >> Time to put it to bed. >> Sorry. >> Time for winter [laughter] for ice skating rings. >> There we go. >> Oh, don't start that rolling just yet. >> That'll be coming. All right. Uh, announcement next meeting Tuesday, December 2nd. Good for everybody. As opposed >> I have an event that night. I don't know. What is your schedule? >> I will not be here. >> Could we look at the Could we do the 9th or would you rather do the 3rd first? >> Um December's not there. [laughter] We can't do the night cuz that's council >> third or the first I won't be at either of them. The first or the third? >> Are you out that whole week? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Is mention plan commission is on the 3rd. Holiday is on the 4th. >> Holidays on the >> Would you want could we do Wednesday the 10th? >> What do we have for schedule? What do you want on the agenda for this >> or Yeah. >> Have you got any special requests? No, I personally don't. >> Really what I wanted to get done before that. >> That was great. >> But that doesn't mean these two that are absent don't. I would send out an email a contingent meeting on the second pending priorities or needs from the group and then let them flush it back to you. And if it's two or less items, take December off. >> Move it to January. Then we'll come hit it hard in January. >> Yeah. >> What would the January meeting be? >> I January. >> Way out there for me. >> Six, you said? >> Yep. >> Okay. So, tenative January 6th. >> So, you want to send out an email to the group. See, >> I want to make sure we get a response from these two. >> Yeah. >> And if they don't respond, that's still a response. So, >> okay. >> If there's two or less items, we'll see you January 6th. >> Okay. or the Christmas holiday >> party >> party and the parade and >> all the other things we'll be doing. >> Yeah, >> I'm fine with that. >> Okay. >> Okay. Who from the commission are planning on going to the year end of year review and recognition? I plan on be there. >> That's during the day. I'll be working. >> I'm leaving work to go do it because I enjoyed it so much last year. commitment date. Come on. >> Wow. >> It would be fun to have a whole parks table. Last year it was just me and John. So, uh, if we could get a whole parks table, that'd be nice. >> There's the date. >> Take a long lunch. >> The 10th of December at from noon to 3 at Sundance Entertainment is according to my invite. >> Yeah. >> What time? >> Noon to 3. >> December 10th to >> 3 p.m. Got it. Okay, I'll start making moves. Look at that. >> And make sure when you send out the email, you tell them about the party and that we're planning on being there. So, >> okay. >> They got their invite. But it would be sweet if we could if we get more than two this year. That'd be cool. >> You set your sights very low. >> Yeah, would be great. >> Well, none of you were at the parade last year and I held on to >> That's right. I remember that. the holiday in the and that's on the 4th, right? >> Yes. >> Uh parade starts around 6:15. >> Starts at the gas station, ends at the stop sign. >> We got Was it really cold last year? Remember why we didn't? >> Yeah, that's why we didn't take our kids out. That's why >> there's other people with kids. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And they I want them to not freeze. Anyways, anyways, how we digress. All right. Um, that is it. I'll call for a motion of adjournment. >> I'll move. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Unbelievable. Unbelievable. >> 45 minutes. I can recall the last council meeting to be uh seven and a half hours. It's our last meeting.