What do we have for date? 20 >> 120 >> 12 We're good. >> 120 26 EDA session is now in call to order. Uh see institute. Do you want that right out? Call to order. >> Um >> I already called. >> You already did by banging the gabble. >> All right. Approval of agenda. Anybody got anything you want to add or subtract from agenda? >> No. Okay, then let's swear in quick and select officers. How's that sound? >> Yep. Mr. Chair, if I could just add, so we do have a member Sean Luther that that's participating ver through v interactive video on Zoom. So he he is in attendance. >> Y' there go sound. >> You got to turn your video on, John. Sean. >> Yeah. Sean, if if you could please turn your video on. So the intent of the uh state law is that it you're >> by shoot >> where the heck do I turn the video on? >> You and yourself. >> Shoot me right across the bottom of the screen. >> Raise hand question transcript. >> Got your kid with him. >> Yeah. It's usually right next to the microphone one. No, I'm telling you there's not workplace. Um, I'm looking. I'm looking. >> Okay. Uh, Mr. Sure. If we can keep continuing as we want. >> All right. Uh I need a swearing. Who wants to do my swearing? >> I don't have any. >> Sure. Why not? Who wants to do it? >> I need someone with a better voice than me. >> Okay, >> let's do it. >> You do it. >> Sure. >> Let's do it. >> Where do you want to do this? Up front or here? It's up um >> right there. >> Okay. Right. >> Yep. Right. Right. Right where you're at. >> Is that our swearing right there? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> There. Maybe we can >> You can You can see it. I just want to answer. >> All right. I think it's a repeat payback thing. No Bible. Repeat after me, please. >> I, Tim Hutner, >> I, Tim Hutner, >> do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States. >> Oh, a little shorter. >> Do solemnly swear >> I do solemnly swear >> or affirm >> to affirm >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of Minnesota >> and the Constitution of the State of Minnesota >> and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office. I will faithfully discharge >> the duties of >> duties of the office >> for the city of Dayton >> for the city of Dayton >> as an economic development authority commissioner >> as an economic development authority commissioner >> in the counties of Henipin and Wright >> in the counties of Henipin and Wright >> state of Minnesota >> state of Minnesota >> according to the law >> according to the law >> and the best of my judgment and ability >> in the best of my judgment and ability >> congratulations >> thank you going there Sean's on now >> yep I'm on. >> All right. >> Hi. >> Thank you. >> Can I ask a dumb question? Why is Reich County included in that old >> Because we are part of Right County. >> Little piece of Dayton. >> Dayton is in right county. slab town in uh yeah the the west side of the Crow River in downtown there's a small >> Really? >> Okay. >> I can't remember how many homes >> 25s. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's very small. >> I That's You learn something new every day. >> All right, we got to go to our 2B officers. All right, guys. Is there is there any changes anybody wants to make on that? or do we want to run status quo? I I will certainly continue as I'm doing if you want if you want to switch that up. I certainly have no issues with that as well. >> There was a assistant treasurer on there too. >> That's a new one. >> I It's been there. U so in reading the bylaws um the bylaws state that you find it believe secretary and assistant treasurer should be staff. >> Got it. So we'll just write staff in that one there. >> Uh you you can. So, uh, this is article three, uh, section one. Uh, the city administrator shall serve as the secretary, assistant secretary, no, I'm sorry, secretary, assistant treasurer, and an exofficial member of the board of commissioners. >> Okay, then we'll just write that as staff. What do you guys want to do? I got no problem getting up their hands, but I'd like to see some of these triangle things through. Your call. >> I'm fine the way it is. Yeah, I don't have >> I'm fine with the the way it is as well. >> Do we need a motion to >> Yes, >> I think I'll make a motion to keep you as the president. >> You to keep it keep the officers the way they are. >> Your guys' deal. >> You good? >> Sure. >> All right. We have a motion to continue. President Hutner, >> I'll second that motion. >> Do we need a motion for each one or the whole thing? >> Um, >> whole thing. >> Preferably if if you're going to you can make a motion for all three. So again the the intention is the same as what is currently. So president would be >> Hutner, Vice President Luther, >> secretary is uh Jack. >> Yeah. So so moved. That was my original intention that >> Okay. Who's secretary? >> Oh wait, >> there there's he was treasur Jack was treasur. Secretary is is Dave in >> your secretary, >> I guess. Okay. >> And I'm happy to be the secretary. >> John, didn't you say secretary was staff >> um >> in the B in the bylaws, >> assistant treasure? You said secretary, assistant. >> Secretary and assistant treasure. So Jack would be treasur I I believe is the 10, you know, between the motion and the second or secondary. >> I think he's asking about the secretary position, but I think there's both an elected and then the staff is >> like okay acting or something. Is that how it works? I think >> that's how it's worked in the past. So in the past we've had you know um a secret you know we've had one of the members of the EDAB secretary um and assistant every essentially every all the five non-counsel members had a job. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> So in practice it's been staff that's been acting as the say the assistant treasurer and the secretary. I mean, it's like if Hunter's not here, then it's Sean, then it's Dave, I think, then it's me. >> I think that's the pecking order as far as like who runs the meeting. >> Our first motion was by John Weber. >> Of course, we wouldn't have a cor. >> Was there second? >> It was seconded by seconded. So just for my clarity, there hasn't been a vote yet. >> Not yet. >> No. So again, the motion is for uh Tim as president, Sean as vice president, Jack as treasurer, and then staff as the secretary and assistant treasur. >> Yes. >> Yep. >> Okay. Then if you you could vote. >> You got to vote. You're going to vote. All right. All in favor? >> I. >> All oppose. >> We got to do him separately, right? >> No, he's in. He's in. He's >> okay. I thought everybody on video had to be separate. >> He's part of the meeting. >> Yeah, >> that's right. >> You said yes. Uh Sean, >> I said yes. >> Okay. Now, now all in favor, I post no. We We pass this. >> Yep. >> We got it. >> 70. Consent agenda number three, approval of minutes of 16. Anybody see that? Anybody got any problems with that one? You >> all like it? >> Yes. Motion to approve. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All opposed. >> Well, do we want to do that as three or do we want to do that as 3A? >> All together. >> All together. Okay. Consent agenda. Got it. >> I'm sorry. That was uh Fant. And then who was the second? >> John. >> John. Okay. Open forum. Is there anybody else online besides Sean? >> No. >> Nobody. Nobody in the audience. Moving on. Sean, can you hear us? Okay. Do we have to scream a little louder? >> No, I can hear you >> perfectly. >> Okay. Skipping through old business because nothing there has been handled. Is that correct there? Uh, >> um, the EDA tabled the sign ordinance. We tabled it >> to discuss today. >> Yeah. Okay. So, we're going to pull H out and put it on our on our radar. >> Well, so the idea of old business, everything that's on the agenda is discussed. >> Okay. >> So, if if there's something you don't want to discuss, let's not put it on the agenda. >> Got it. I don't see nothing there. We're already talking about >> a small update on E. >> I'm sorry. >> Small update on E. you want to >> when we talk about it. >> Are we talking about Robin Street sooner here or later? >> I'm going to say right now we're on 58. >> All right. We're going to go through each old business. >> Uh that that's the intent. Yes. So, you know, this will be just be real quick. And once again, if if there's something that you the EDA does not want to discuss on that, then let's take it off the agenda. Uh so 5A is the utility boxes. There's nothing new with that. um for several months. Uh what was that picture change there behind Sean? >> Is that they fixed it? >> Yeah, >> that was several months ago. >> The one that got fixed. >> The one that got fixed last so fixed you didn't even notice it driving by. >> I didn't even notice it. >> That's good. >> Well, that's for snow. Well, that looks a lot better, doesn't it? So, of all the ones we've requested to be fixed, one has been >> Well, we we all requested two to be fixed and both were fixed. >> L2. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's a start. >> Oh, we're at 50%. >> Yeah. >> Uh how about the sidewalk? Anything there? >> Uh that will go out for bids this spring uh for replacement on on the >> you know, especially the ones that are shown here. >> Yeah. Good. >> Okay. Spur and financing. Now, we've had some conversation with stuff on that, right? >> Yeah. So, 5C, the railroad spur. Uh we've got a meeting set up for >> 30th. Yes. The end of the January. So, that's um yourself, uh John Weber representing the EDA. Then we'll be meeting with Semstone, uh King Solutions, and then TKDA, that's a a rail consultant. >> Nice. Does anybody else want to be in it? And can we not be opening laws by having one more? We cannot have We can have four. We cannot Oh, we can have three. >> And does anybody else want to be in on that? >> You're more than welcome. We got room. We got one more going. >> We got one more to do. >> Okay. Who Who is that? >> If someone wants to jump in. >> Oh, yeah. >> One more space. >> Yes. >> Anybody? >> Where's Where is the meeting at? >> Uh on your computer. >> Okay. >> It's a Zoomer thing again. So, it's Friday, January 30th at 9:00 a.m. >> Sean, you in or out or you you want to table? >> Um, yeah, I can do it. >> Let's add him to that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He's got this down pretty good now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. >> Okay. So, we got that. Yeah. Lent property. >> Uh, lent property. We We did have a verbal offer for this. This is um for uh less than what we're listing it as. So uh if we receive I guess the staff's intent is if we receive a written offer that will come back to the EDA as a closed session item. >> Understood. And I also understand that there was a I A head was in a national conference and wanted to list it there nationally. Is that correct? >> So IG went to Vegas and they they says okay we're going to >> they they haven't gone yet. They're still there. >> Well, I don't know if they've left yet. So, >> Got it. >> When we get a verbal offer, do we have any idea what >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I was just going to ask that. You know, >> you don't want to >> um All I know is the price. >> So, their intentions, they have no proposals. >> Just the price. >> Yeah. >> All right. What property Robinson Street forfeit tax property. We were going to talk about that. You want to know about that one too? >> I just give you guys a little update. I I talked to an individual that has some interest in it. We need to uh come up with a number. >> Do we own that one yet? >> Uh the not the EDA, the city, it's in the city council's name or the city's name. >> All right. Do we have a close session on what we want to get for that? >> Uh we we have and we we have a number. >> Okay. >> Might want to inform Councilman >> so he can have that and approach. Did not council uh transfer that over? I thought they did. >> Uh not not yet. It hasn't been recorded yet. >> Oh, okay. >> Do we know what the interested party? I assume it's a home. Put up a home. A house. >> Yeah. >> Or duplex or whatever. >> Building. Yeah. Yep. Residential. >> Okay. If is that area zoned for multif family or single family only? >> Um zone what is it? RO I believe um so I've got to I got to look through the ordinance again. Um I believe what is it eight densities eight? Oh I don't want to misquote myself but the short answer is yes. it, you know, so similar to the the town home project that was done reconstructed earlier this year, uh, this would be the same. >> So, it wouldn't require a zoning change. >> Um, I believe the intent would be to reszone it from the RORO from RORO to the GMU3, I think. >> Yeah, that's correct. Currently, the the property is owned RO. So, it would be slated just for a single family home, a detached residential home. Um, if in the event that the property was ever to be a part of a larger project or something, then that GMU mixeduse district would potentially be considered for reasonzoning to allow for maybe a duplex or a triplex or something like that in there. But, uh, there'd have to be some entitlements that would be taken care of prior to that point. When we I don't know if the zoning ever got changed or whatever, but when we had the meetings about the historic village, we talked about the Robinson being commercial and I think one block off it could be fixed or you know like other than single family then off of that it was single family. So would this be out of what we talked about as single family or within >> I think um when the when that stuff was discussed originally the intent was that the mixeduse area the commercial and residential flex area was all along the county road there right >> on Robinson Street. Now, being that this is on Robinson Street, this is off the county road area of whatever the county road number is up there, 12 or whatever it may be. Um, I think it would be outside of what that uh GMU, that mixeduse district would be. Um, nevertheless, I think residential still could be considered in a specific capacity or in a couple different capacities in this area. Um, but yeah, to >> this be a multi- Well, we would be considered still residential, but it would be >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It really comes down to the number related to density on a per acreage basis. >> That's kind of what sets that. >> I'm just the reason I'm asking because I think it is a bit of departure from what we discussed as kind of the >> vision of what that would be down there. You mean related to the where the single family is? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean I think we kind of gave the at least during the discussions we had the residents uh you know that's the direction we were headed is that you know once you get off Robinson Street I think one block off of Robinson Street it would be single family. So that they weren't because you know there's a lot of push back on putting multifamily dwellings in the single family area. You know there's a lot of single family homes once you pass that first law. So anyway, >> yeah, we'll just note that the whole village district is guided for mixed use. So, if that uh if that is still the intent, that would be something that would probably be um addressed in the comprehensive plan update that would be coming up here, >> which I don't think it ever did, >> right? We had the meeting, but then the comprehensive plan update was too far out to >> just something we ought to think about because we did have that meeting with the >> table. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There was quite active that day, wasn't it? >> Yeah. of. >> So anyway, that was the intent of my question is that it sounds like there a zoning change is a is a would be a separate step and that would need to be part of this process >> if if it's anything other than a single family house. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Thanks. >> What is our role today with this one then? >> Um nothing. >> Nothing. >> Okay. Just information. >> Yep. Well, that you just let us know when we want when you got that conversation done. >> As far as I know, it's done. >> Okay. Well, then give a number. >> No, we don't have I don't I don't know what the number is. We haven't talked about it. >> I I can talk to you offline. >> I don't want to talk about it now. >> Yeah. >> So, would the EDA weigh in on the zoning changes or is that just a city council? >> Uh the city council makes the decision. So generally speaking, uh the the general intent is uh when we have a land use change that's not residential or any planning action that's not residential, it goes to the planning commission, it comes to the EDA and then goes to the city council. So in this case, it's residential. So typically would not come to the EDA other than just a as an FYI. So that's something that can be changing. You know, the EDA's concentration or focus is on the historic district. uh historic village which does include residential. >> I'm sure this is qualify as an H >> uh not a zone reszoning but in any development in the village either way the city owns the property you're going to see it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Will there be a transfer in this or how we do this? Will will main council kick that down to us in our name? >> Um that that is the intent. >> Okay. >> Well, keep us up to speed on that one then. Okay. >> And then Dayton Park, we tax 450. Anything there? >> Uh not not a lot. So that uh we we had a reissue a a check out to Henipin County. They've not cashed it yet. So right now it's still in the county's tax forfeit name um as being a having a pending sale. >> It's not even our name yet. >> Not the EDA's name. No. Huh. So technically we can't do anything until it gets in. >> Correct. >> Not even market it. >> I'm sorry. >> Not marketed either. >> No. No. >> This is stall tactic. >> No. >> Government. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> What are you doing? Do we have a it's just on that topic. Do we have a uh a date in mind the February, March, April that this will be done? >> No, it's as soon as possible. >> It's just whenever they get to it. >> Hurry up and hurry up and wait. >> Hurry up and wait. >> Yeah. >> The check was issued long ago. >> Long ago. >> I I'm sorry. >> Check was issued a while back. >> It It was issued. It was lost. It was reissued. Um I'm going to say late December. Do >> And that was a check, not a wire. Huh? >> Uh correct. >> Wow. >> How do you lose a check? Uh there was >> Hey, you haven't talked to my wife lately, have you? >> Unless your wife worked at Hen County, >> so well, might as well. Um, do we do we know when Graco is planning on starting to build? >> Uh, it will be 2026. I don't know what time. I'm going to say spring. >> Yeah, my guess is that it might even be uh early summer um if they were to start. They're still going through their entitlement process. >> Sure. I uh the only reason I ask is it might have some bearing on being able to market this property. You know, we have a new facility coming in. Somebody might be interested in putting, you know, a retail commercial, you know, the service. I mean, the Graco is going to be a big deal for Dayton. >> Yep. >> Big deal. >> Well, not much we can do if we don't even own it yet. >> That's the question. How about how's everybody feel about uh having the attorney call about this and see where the check is where they are in the process. That's something we do. >> We we can the answer is not going to be any faster. >> So, but I can check with Henipin. >> So, squeaky wheel doesn't get the grease in the case of Hipin County. >> Okay. Well, then I guess that conversation. Well, I think it'll, you know, that whole thing needs to stay on the old business agenda. >> Yeah. One would think we should have something in 30 days >> and updated every month. >> Well, we're we're like in the first of the year here and this should be all over the market. >> Yeah. >> And here here's what if they keep dragging their feet, then it's a bat on us. >> We could miss it. >> Yeah. We could miss an opportunity because they're not cashing. I would say we have her make a call even though it's the same answer. Now they know that we got >> somebody's >> professional muscle going, you're going to handle this. >> Um, I will say that, you know, the realtors have been looking at this property for years. I mean, you know, long before the EDA's been involved with it. So, I I don't think we're going to miss out on too many opportunities. >> Yeah. >> Well, we're trying to be pretty selective on what we want to go here, right? I mean, we never gave the direction to the realtor on kind of >> Yeah, we've gave that direction. priorities last being in another warehouse. >> Right. So being selective means we need a lot more inquiries. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> All right. >> I guarantee you could find someone that'll buy that and put up a warehouse tomorrow. >> We got into that, man. >> We already had that talk like last year. >> I'm just saying for a warehouse, I bet you can sell that tomorrow. >> Oh, sure. Mhm. >> You get start getting selective. You want office space, you want mixed retail, whatever. It's going to take a lot of long. >> And the real told us that. >> Yeah. >> Provided we get it on the market with these guys. >> We What we didn't have before is representation. Now we have representation. >> But I think Dave's comment too about uh grade code is important as they market it. I mean, I'm sure they'll figure that out quickly, but you know, they want to one of the reasons to come to Dayton. Well, Graco goes one, you know, whatever they all are. But Graco is going to be a big draw, >> right? And that's that's going to be a an important intersection here in the next 15 years, you know, with with uh Date Parkway connecting to the river crossing, you know, it's >> Yeah. >> I mean, you the traffic uh numbers are just going to be astronomical. >> They already are. >> Maybe a quick email from our muscle won't make that happen. >> I don't think that's a pro. I I don't think that would be an issue. I think it would be money well spent. >> Give them a call. >> That way they don't hear from city staff. They hear it from like I said, our board muscle. What do you wait? Why you waiting? You agree with that you guys? Sean. >> Yes, I agree. >> Agree. >> Let's do that. Agree. >> All right. Item G, old business signage. We're going to talk about signage. I see we got a bunch of sign stuff in here already. You want to move that to our new business area? >> Well, it's two separate topics. So, this is the Balsson >> uh Balsam Lane sign. >> Okay. >> Um I don't have much of an update. I I'll just say that the sign on the left is what uh was provided by a sign vendor. Um there were two options presented to the EDA, one with real brick, one with fake brick. The EDA chose the fake brick. Um, and then I wasn't quite aware at the time, uh, the city does have a signed standard that we've adopted for city signs. Um, so that is the sign on the right. Um, our signed standard and I in the packet, this is included in the sign ordinance discussion, not the balsom sign. So that is my fault for putting in the wrong section. Um, uh, we in the sign city sign standard, we do not have an option for digital sign. So I don't know why that was. Um so kind of the point of this is that it very it's a little different than what the council had approved as a sign standard um in trying to merge the two. I guess the only thing would be is to incorporate the uh city of Dayton logo on there and the EDA had discussed this at a previous meeting and really didn't have an issue with that. So in short answer there there's no news since last month. um kind of the direction that EDA had had given me was to ask around to the the 30 or so businesses of um how much would they be willing to pay to rent the digital sign and I've not had a chance to do that. >> Okay, that wraps up our G then. >> Yeah. >> Go ahead on H. Uh sign ordinance. So, this was presented to the EDA at the December meeting. The EDA tabled it to have more time to read the ordinance. Um, staff does not have um any proposals for change. So, it's really it's driven by the EDA of if there's anything that you would like to recommend be changed. >> Thought we were going to do a like a workshop or something on this, but >> it's a lot of information to cover in this kind of time. Yeah. >> Yeah. Like we want to >> we had it we had it down pretty decent and then it went to planning and then it went it blew up from there. So how do you guys want to handle this? You you want to do this in a separate or do you want to just kind of go through it and then bring your suggestions? >> So is that going to be the same process as we review it make whatever changes we're suggesting from a business perspective and and others perspectives. But >> is it going to go back to planning and then they're going to >> Okay. and then the EDA and the planning commission make a recommendation to the city council. >> I I think it would be prior to doing that important to get that feedback from the businesses. I mean, you can make all the ordinances you want, but if the businesses don't care for it, >> we've done that already. >> So, that's all way back how many years ago? >> I before my time. >> Yeah, we've had that conversation. We've done that. It was a great input. People had certain things. I think John was part of that intake questions when you guys moved in your sign ordinance over there. He smirks closer. >> So, not to rehash old potatoes here, but uh yeah, maybe you'll just kind of give it your kung fu again and say what didn't make sense, what did make sense. But we'll do that in a separate meeting, you say? Well, I'm suggesting if we're going to really take a look at the sign, think about, you know, ste we're coming from is it's all we can do is recommend changes to the planning commission and they either got to accept those changes or not. And then if they don't, if they accept any of them, then I guess that gets recommended to council. If they don't accept any of them, then we're where we're at, right? Is it is it our concern that the sign ordin or the sign yeah ordinance is too restrictive to bring in interest or that it's blocking interest I guess is my question. I think well there's two things I think not I think once people get into it it's there's some inconsistencies and then the second uh inconsistent inconsistencies in the whole kind of gaps and then I think the other thing is it there are some depending on the area of the city it may be too restrictive >> and I meaning you know like we don't have a separate sign ordinance for the highway versus the >> versus >> you know so >> geographically >> you know we treat them the same that's why you had a problem >> and that's why they had been a variance for the you >> you guys should have bigger signs area small area shouldn't have that big a sign but we should have be able we wanted to have free motion signs like the city sign that we're looking at now a full video. They weren't they wouldn't discuss it. Oily concepts of design. Uh it was a whole lot of different just in a static sign where at one time we had this pretty well set up and and then it went to planning and planning had all kinds of changes and we had down to eight pages, >> right? >> Where is that where is that document originally made? Eight whether it was eight pages because I don't know how much of it would change. >> I I'd have to look at our files. So it would have been from a the previous EDA meeting >> and a work session that we spent all time on. >> What I'm trying not to do is have a meeting about a meeting twice. >> And you know I would like to add too you know there's two things but three and you've sort of mentioned that there's a change in technology. The change of technology involves lights you know different flashing you know whatever screens whatever. So, you know, that technology may have to be incorporated. >> I think I think it was >> okay. I I don't know. I don't have any reference to that. >> Well, I thought I heard you say that we don't allow digital signs currently. >> Uh we we do. I mean, that's the Ballome sign >> and that's allowable in the existing >> commercial district. So, >> yeah. So that rendering sign that rendering that John had up for an example that the EDA could have on that corner that is a compliance sign with the zoning ordinance currently. >> Okay. I just misunderstood you there. I think I think the digital the digital signage limitation that the planning commission may have discussed back then was related to the large billboards where the technology had changed with those billboard companies where they could take a static sign and turn it the same size sign into a digital sign. And I think that that was what the planning commission wanted to avoid was those existing billboards turning into um kind of larger advertisements for businesses probably likely outside of Dayton >> along the freeway. >> But I believe they also by setting that agenda set it for elsewhere too. So it pinched it off everywhere. >> Yeah, this is the limitation that is allowed still. So that's that's what it's limited to. I think it would make sense if we had the old original that we set it forth back then. >> Okay. >> So then we come back and we say okay this is what makes sense. Did it change? Did the technology change >> pre planning commission because we spent a lot of time as a group. I remember that. Me the rest of the guys >> back. And let's let's do that before we get all revved up and okay >> spinning our wheels. >> So if if the EDA would like to table I guess my suggestion would be for the EDA to table this till the next meeting and then we'll add um that packet will include this the existing sign ordinance as well as the previous um whatever I can find from the pre previous >> the submitted the submitted one that we did because we we took a lot of uh Vegas and Branson and all over the place. So, not to turn this into a Branson gig, but they had a pretty they had a pretty comprehensive sign ordinance. And I remember digging into it and reading through it. >> This we don't have a strip to put this on, but we do have 94. >> And yeah, we should find that again because I I don't know if I have it. >> And we will have Dayton Parkway. >> Yep. >> Which will be >> Yep. We didn't have Dayton Parkway at the time. >> So, >> sure. I mean that that's going to come really quick and then be outd you know working on signing ordinances. >> We were asked to go through the sign ordinance by our mayor Dennis Fischer. He says well I want you to go through and check it again. That's why we're revisiting this. This wasn't something I picked out of my hat. It was something that he said put your time into it and see what's going on with it. Why did it get all and he wasn't for the from what I understand for the revised one that planning did at the time as well. Okay. It just seemed too restrictive. Big companies like RDO, John Deere, everybody had a you sell on that. I I get it. And we wanted to make sure you had every opportunity to display your wares. >> Mhm. >> Without turning this into a Vegas. >> Okay. What we'll also do, what I think would be helpful is to do a a compar business and code comparison. So we'll pick out, you know, a handful of businesses and how would they be treated and regulated in Dayton as opposed to Rogers and Maple Grove and some of the other cities along the 94 94 corridor. >> Well, I know that I would love to have had that sign at the time, but I couldn't because it was full motion, full Ole. >> It was a digital sign. And >> we didn't get that change in. I think that change could did get put in. >> I would love those for my shop. The sign on the left is is allowed currently. >> Yeah, I I think if I remember right, the last time we went through all this, that one suggested change about digital did get in. So there is some digital allowed which they're saying that's in compliance. >> Yes. If I wanted to put RDO on my sign, I can't. If I sell ACO parts, I can't. There's there's a lot of there's a lot of compression there that kept us in in the lane that Well, I sell I see parts. I sell Goodyear tires. I sell John Deere equipment. >> You so that there's Yeah. So, we're talking about on premise versus off- premise side. So, if you're selling say auto parts, you can advertise those on your side because it's part of your business. I mean, that that's a per that's an onremise sign. But auto parts can't come to me and put their their name on my sign. >> Uh you're putting your name their name on their sign. It's part of your sign. >> Okay. >> So you can do that, >> you know. So if you're a franchise, if you were a Napa or some of the other ones, that would could be part of your sign. >> What if I want to put the dentist next to me on my side? >> Um not unless you're selling dentist. You're in the dentist. >> Not unless I'm going into dentistry. Got it. Hey, how's your m going? >> Right. I get you. I get you. >> Oh, you could say, "Well, >> yeah, you can make any >> while you're getting your tooth filled, we'll change your oil." >> Yeah. >> That's how I remember some of the restrictions were at the time. >> Yeah. >> And that's why I want to make sure that John, like you have Parker hoses, fittings. Now, just because you you use them doesn't mean you stock them. Does that mean that you use Parker hose fittings to describe that these guys can now put them on your tractors or your shredders or zippers or whatever you do? That make sense? >> Yeah. Our biggest issue was um with multiple brands, we were limited to one sign. That was our issue on the freeway. So if I wanted if so Vermeere and Deer are two of our major brands. If I wanted two pylon signs, even though they met the size requirement for the space, it wasn't allowed in the old sign of ordinance. So I couldn't put one of each and I can't rightfully put just one because then I would have to pick between the two and then I had issues with both brands. >> Puts you in a spot. So, but I understand I mean I I I mean I also have other brands. I I don't think you should have the ability to be able to put, you know, 50 pylons, you know. I mean, there's a that's why the ordinance exists. So, I mean, I >> and there was an option or ability to be able to to get a whatever a variance on, you know, on the actual sign ordinance. We just didn't >> pursue it, >> pursue it. We started it but didn't pursue it. It wasn't the hill to die for when I had enough other issues to it. >> So, >> John, anything to weigh in on this here? >> Uh, no. I just been listening and I understand it all, but um I don't have any comments at this time. >> Okay. Then I guess direction makes sense to let's dig up the old one. >> Okay. Let's give us some time to kung fu it. >> If we could have a motion and second to table. >> I'll motion to table till next meeting. >> I'll second. Second. >> Okay. >> All in favor? >> I >> I. >> All opposed. >> Motion carries. >> Thank you. And Mr. Chair, just for my benefit for the the all the items on the old business, is are there anything that the EDA wants to take off? Um, >> so we have >> Well, I I I don't want to take off sidewalks, so in case he doesn't get handled, then we're going to forget about it and it's going to be like >> I mean, I think it's okay to leave him there. We don't have to. >> Right. Right. >> I don't think we need updates. I'm going to say no change, no change, no change, no change, you know, and then when something does happen, I think the the bad part about taking them off >> is >> they forgotten. they go away and then three years later. Oh, yeah. Didn't we did we talk about that three years ago? >> So, I would vote I would say leave them on and just unless there's a update. They're just standing items and then maybe you can highlight. >> Yep. >> Or do whatever to >> shorten the packet up so you're not wasting all this. Well, so there with every item there is a staff report that's in it and typically somewhere in the staff report it will say if there's you know there's no change since November EDA meeting or October or whatever it is. Um but if it's on the agenda there will be a staff report with it. >> Can we make a >> So you create a new staff report every time. >> Well, how about we do this instead of old business? We we'll keep the old business going, but we'll have another section old business pending. And then pending, you don't need a report on, do you? >> Um, everything in the packet has a staff report. >> I mean, I don't we don't want to create a bunch of work for the staff. That's not necessary. But >> I just want to make sure because what I saw in the packet looked exactly the same as what was in the packet the last time. So, is it a matter of you have to put it in the packet because >> it's on the agenda and it's just putting out what you've already done or are you spending staff hours preparing a packet every single time? >> If if there's nothing that changes what the only thing I'm changing is the date and I'll say well you really it's the date. Um if there is a change then there will be a change it some verbiage in the um staff report. So, for example, railroad spur, I think, had a a update to one of the paragraphs, but otherwise, it's kind of a regurgitation of previous meetings. >> I say we leave it. >> Yeah. >> And it's fine. You know, whatever the EDA wants to do is fine. I just >> if if there's something you don't want to talk about, it'd be helpful if we just took it off the agenda. >> I would. >> How do we make sure it doesn't get lost? Because that's why we put them on in the first place because we would cover things, nothing happens, nothing happens and then eventually >> goes away. >> Goes away and then it comes >> away and then never never land. >> Okay. So we'll keep everything on. >> I think that think that makes sense. So they don't get so they don't get lost. I'm just wondering if there's a way you know half of these there's really no update. I mean, I understand you got to include the at least the previous report in the packet when something happened or we got some new information or whatever, but is there a way to say on the the agenda, you know, no update? >> Um, yes. >> And that way we don't we don't need to spend time on it at that meeting >> old business uh no update and we'll have an old business >> for each line rather than >> Well, how would you want to format that, Yan? uh in parenthesis. If there's no update, I'm just going to put that in the title. >> That's all he's got to do. Simple. >> Yeah. So 5A is damaged and abandoned utility boxes in parentheses. No update. Okay. >> If if we're going to do like all two utility boxes, what about the rest of them? >> Uh the direction from the council is it's up to the property owner to to complain to the utility provider >> in an easement. >> Yes. property owner didn't put it there. >> Um, no. >> So, why would it be up to the property owner? I >> it's I think the thought is is that they're it would be them who are the most bothered by the utility box whether it's damaged or not and it's their responsibility to complain about it. >> Remember, we put in the communicator um >> we we we did uh a year ago. >> Yeah. I mean, to me, until the utility boxes are kind of fixed, if there's space, we should just put it in there every freaking time to let people know you got a problem, call this number or whatever. >> I think it's pretty clear that the property owner doesn't have any issue with it. >> They've been there for quite some time, right? >> They probably just don't know have any idea what to do. I mean, you know, it's like >> and property know it's just there >> trying to track down who owns that. Like in our neighborhood, they're all rusted. Why? Because they everybody's got sprinkler systems. And if you got sprinkler systems, you got rust. >> Well, our original approach to do these boxes were not just cosmetic. They're open to the the copper's open to the air. It's open to the oxygen. The copper starts to fail. The company isn't maintaining these covers. So therefore, they create resistance in the lines and now all the systems down because they couldn't maintain their system. It's about infrastructure for us. I mean, this is kind of our job, okay? If you can't keep your stuff working, we ain't going to have the guy down the street who don't care whether or not he has a phone, he has a cell phone, but the rest of them who have dialups and copper >> Mhm. >> need that thing to work, but this guy don't care. So, it's kind of I see some fail in that logic. It's our job as a city to we're we're charging these people an administration fee for these, >> right? >> Uh >> convenience fee or some kind of a fee. I don't know. >> I don't think we're charging. So, if we're going to charge them, why don't we and monitor this and maintain it for them? >> So, the guy down the street can have copper. >> Yep. >> If if I'm having phone problems, I'm going to call my my phone provider and trust that the utility is going to come out and figure out where the problem is, whether it's on my box or down the street. >> Yep. >> Yep. Been here. Have this t-shirt, man. >> Done this a hundred times. They've been to my shop. I couldn't get the cell to even operate because they won't maintenance the copper down the road. >> Right. >> Therefore, they say buy fiber. It's only 800 bucks a month instead of $69. >> Yeah. >> That's how this started because they didn't maintain their boxes. >> Mhm. >> So, I don't know. What do you guys think? We've had this conversation many times. >> Being the dead horse. >> To me, it's up to the provider to fix it. They're not providing the service in which a they're charging for and b we'd nick them for as a convenience fee or whatever. >> Central Link has no desire to keep maintaining copper. >> Not even a bit. >> Nope. >> They're they're they're switching to something else. In the meantime, they're going to age out and everyone sits there with regular phones. I mean, Dayton's an old community and there's still a lot of old people that have phones. >> I mean, I'm I I'm on DSL and what a joke. And for a lot of reasons, but now you can get Starlink for the same price as DSL. Just go to whatever and buy the kit and put the app on your phone. It says point that this way and boom. >> Do you make calls from it? >> Huh? >> Do you make calls from your Starling? >> From internet. Yep. >> Okay. But your DSL is twisted pair. It's copper. >> I know what DSL is. >> I don't know. You guys tell me if I'm all wet on this because it it's kind of a sore spot. I had to spend $800 a month for fiber when I was paying 70 for a DSL which would handle the load. >> Wow. >> And and and I feel us as a city that we charge that convenience fee thing that we're responsible for making sure that these companies do their job. Well, part of the problem is you have our aging population that really isn't into the technology. >> So, they don't trust the cell phones. They want a phone on their their wall and internet. Well, their daughter's got them set up so so she can send pictures of the grandkids, but they have no idea what it what >> what it takes to get there. what it takes to get through, nor do they care. >> Okay, where'd we leave this? Everybody spun off. Nothing to say. >> No, I'm taking direction from the council on this. >> They need to fix all of them. >> I think that the city of Dayton really needs to be aware of its infrastructure issues. I think in a in a broad statement >> well where we you know where we got all wrapped around the the axle last time we talked about this and who's who's going out to look at the damaged >> yes >> right and and we I don't remember if it was here or the city council that said we don't want to spend the stand survey to go find all the bad boxes >> and so that so here we are it's so then evolved back to then the resident needs to make the call because we're not going to spend the money or spend the time to go out and survey all of these things. I think we did ask staff to ask the utilities for their their maps because they are required to to provide us with maps of their infrastructure location. And if that hasn't happened, that's something that still should be attended. >> Yeah, I I can't we ran into an issue with that. I can't remember what it was. I think it's it's the Yeah, I couldn't remember. >> Who couldn't remember? >> I can't. >> Oh, well then we go to the utility company and say print a new one. >> Did we ask them? >> I have to talk to Stantech to remember what the the issue was. >> Let's let's direct you to say let's get another print. >> And then I think it's a reasonable request because they have to provide that to us. That's >> anyway, >> right? And to your point, the city should know what we have for infrastructure. I think that's those maps. Um, you know, what we do beyond that, I think, you know, we're sort of I understand what you're saying that they don't maintain them and then they say, "Well, it doesn't work. So, you but we've got a a new service we want you to move to. >> Want to buy a new?" >> I don't know how we ever, you know, weigh into that cuz even if a thing is run over and looks horrible, it may still be working. So, how do we know which ones are working and which ones aren't? The appearance might not tell us that. >> Yeah, >> I think we can deal with the cosmetic side of it, right? But, >> you know, and also I don't know, you know, technology moves and I I understand. I mean, we still have a a dialup line at home because the burglar alarm ties into it. >> Okay. But, uh, you don't have to do that. I mean, they're all cell phone based now, too. But, that's just the way it was set up anyway. got my wife off after about 5 years of telling her that. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um but technology moves and so there's a point where whatever we were doing, you know, rotary phones, they're obsolete. So they don't, you know, they they stop making them and you got to buy something else. And >> is there any >> is that really our business to say, well, you still got to offer rotary phones? >> It's our business when we charge for it under under utility bills. >> Yeah. I don't I don't know if it's our our place to tell them, but it is if somebody called the city and say this is my address, what's available to me? The city should be able to just like do I have city water and sewer on this lot? Like the lot down the road is for sale. Well, yep. The >> I'll say do you remember there's 52 telecommunication providers that are allowed to operate in Dayton. But we don't know how many of the 52 are. Right. >> There's a small handful, >> right? So, it can't be that big a deal to to get a hold of these companies and just give them a letter and say, "Hey, we need you to look at this." >> Yep. >> Or get a map so that you know >> how many is send you a link over here or are they any where are they? >> They must have a map on where they're their boxes are. >> Well, John, how many are regulated by the PUC >> in Dayton? 52. >> All 52 are regulated. >> Yeah. because I heard that they pick and choose what they put on the PUC regulations >> and twisted pair is one of them that are regulated telco. >> Okay. I I don't know if that's one, but you're telling me it is. I I've not heard twisted pair before. >> How old are you? >> Yeah, I was just saying. >> Is he younger than us? >> Well, almost everybody's younger than me. So, >> hey. Hey, maybe not Scott. >> What's the reference to? >> I got you. >> Wires were twisted. You guys talking about a provider. >> Twisted pair isn't just a copper. It's a term for >> two two turn two twisted pairs of >> they spin them and resistance keeps the RF noise out of them. >> Right. The inductance uh uh offsets the capacitance between the two two wires. >> I do have a question relative to infrastructure just since that was brought up. If I recall and during COVID, we got a pretty sizable chunk of money to put broadband into the city. Whatever happened to that? I mean, there was a lot of discussion about because I mean, I thought it was a horrible idea anyway. I would have spent the money on Starlink versus broadband internet, but do you recall that >> Tina was on 350,000 bucks? >> We spent so much money. >> Did we ever get it? We never got >> Yeah. forget what happened with it. >> I I don't >> you spent 30,000 on what was it? >> No, I don't know. I don't know the amount. I know there was a >> as part of the COVID fund, something was designated to improved >> improve broadband um capacity in parts of the town. >> Isn't that company that the city was working with, but I I don't know how that ended up landing. I mean, isn't that a bit of an issue if we took 300 and some thousand from the federal government and didn't do anything with it? >> You mean in Minnesota? >> Yeah. In Minnesota, uh, Larry Center. Uh, >> yeah. >> Phone company. >> But, but, and where did I see in Dayton? There were some, uh, orange conduit parked and they were still putting in >> fiber. >> Fiber. So maybe maybe that's being done but I think it is a good question. >> Yeah. I mean, I'm just talking about I you know, one of the things I think as an EDA is obviously infrastructure enables economic development and to the degree that we could have done something on infrastructure and we didn't, it's a little concerning, but >> So, what what is your question that you want me to research? >> What the hell happened to the money? >> Zach knows what I he'll remember what it is. But I forget what it is. >> Yeah, >> but I know it was 350 something. >> And I'm sure that all these new developments have already a list of here's here's what's available if you buy a house, water, sewer, fiber, and here's your fiber. Well, the fiber cross balsome from my shop, it's all fiber and it's like 90 bucks a month. And they get one G up, one G down. It's symmetrical. I get 100 up, 100 down, and I'm almost 800 because my I got I got a sign in front of my >> Yep. >> That's a big chunk difference. >> Well, >> when Twisted Pair actually worked until it didn't. >> Yeah. >> So, direction for staff is do we want to know where that money went? Because I mean >> I mean if it's for infrastructure, we should have spent it on infrastructure. I guess I >> maybe if you pruise through there. Sure. Let us know. >> I think it's a dead horse now for now. Anybody want to move on? >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Okay. New business. Adessa Carvana. Was it Bonner or Vain? >> Carvana. >> Site plan review. That seems like an interesting one. >> Yeah. Uh Mr. President, members of the EDA, um Carvana and at the Adessa site on Territorial Road has submitted a site plan review for the construction of a 68,000 square foot uh minor auto repair and reconditioning facility. Uh 2024, Carvana purchased the uh business uh Adessa um and still operates on the property. Um originally they were allowed uh for an auto auction site uh by conditional use permit in 1996. Um the rules have changed um since then to require an interim use permit. The conditional use permit runs with the land. So the as long as the business is operating there, they are allowed to continue to do so without having to get any new permits or anything like that. Um so again as I mentioned 68,000 foot uh inspection reconditioning facility including a private car wash on site. Um the entire facility is uh gated off on the back part portion of this parcel away from Territorial Road. So none of this uh facility or use of the um the use part of this business is open to the public. So um this is specifically internal. Carvana has a long-term plan to continue operations at this uh site. They have no uh interest in um selling the property or anything like that. Uh which is the reason for this expansion. And at full operation, the uh Carvana believes that there could be up to 200 employees at this facility. >> How many? >> 200. Up to 200. H >> how does this rank in terms of like auto auctions in the state? Must be one of the bigger. It's uh one of two Adessa locations in Minnesota. Um I don't know about other auto auction sites, but I know that Adessa is a very large one nationwide. >> Yeah. >> And wanting to improve is a good sign and in my mind. >> Did Carvana buy both loc Odessa locations? >> I do believe that Carvana owns the one in Egan. I I think it's Egan if I'm not mistaken. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Now, you you mentioned that they're going to do uh >> how many acres is total under their property because it seems pretty big. Like >> it's about 40 41 acres in total. There's a little bit of a wetland there that's not usable, but uh 41 in total. And >> so this facility is like between territorial and the railroad, >> correct? Yep. >> Yep. So, there are two two existing buildings uh on the premise um sectioned off into three properties. This is uh the 35 acre parcel that does not currently have a building on it that they're proposing it to go on. >> I had uh it inspires another question. Would this be site beh to to a railroad spur? I mean, I I would assume all the vehicles come in and out by a truck. >> Yeah, that carrier. >> I've I've asked and they they don't have an interest in it. >> Okay. I'm sure from the factory on rail. Uh >> they're not coming from factories though. >> No, they're coming from car dealers. >> Most Most of the cars are driven in. They're not hauled in. >> Yeah. >> I also heard you say they're doing light light body work. >> Correct. >> Requires an SQSG. The state of Minnesota's got to get involved. How is that light? Because if you have a paint booth, I don't care if you're squirting a fender, you're squirting a whole car. This the process is the same. >> Yeah. I think that uh the main separation is uh transmission and engine repair is not occurring which I think in the zoning definitions is what classifies it as major uh where minor is just exterior detailing um and things of the like >> and bodywork fits in minor >> uh yeah I off the top of my head I don't know uh what that definition is but uh yeah I would I would imagine that debt repair is minor. >> Yeah. So if if they're replacing a fender, that's minor. If you know, if they're doing welding and some something that's more major. >> Okay. >> And I think to your point, Tim, they would still need that the some form of hazardous waste license, >> but that's through the county and that would be >> county >> independent of of this. Well, >> Henipin County does the enforcement for the MPCA of those rules. So yes, they are both involved, but it's the county that would issue the license. >> So the is the EDA positive towards uh Adessa? >> That's my comment. >> So what what we're looking for is is a recommendation from the EDA. This is specific to the site plan. So um that they have a an existing conditional use permit to operate as an auction facility. um they do require a site plan review for the additional building. So the question is really is there anything that the EDA recommends specific to the building? >> My recommendation would be to I mean I think to up I mean they're trying to upgrade, right? They're going to put a building in to upgrade. Can we to me and I haven't gone back and like done a detailed look at it just mainly from 81 and driving down territorial but seems to me that we would have an opportunity for them to upgrade the overall aesthetics of the site at the same time like approve the the building but at the same time you know whether it's uh screening or things like that around the property property. I think that would be a big plus for the community if we can accomplish that at the same time. >> So, do you mean screening like um putting in fences like not being able to look through see the parking lot? >> What I see and like I said, I haven't gone back there detailed to look like a site visit, but you're driving down 81 particularly in the winter time when there's the trees aren't out and that's all you can see is just a sea of cars. Um, so I'm just wondering if there's an opportunity to improve the aesthetics of the site as they're upgrading with with this new building. >> So there are landscape >> So I don't have the details, John, of what should be done. I just think there's an opportunity here. >> So there I'll just uh touch on that. There are landscape requirements related to building a new facility on the site. Um they are proposing right now they're proposing screening along Territorial Road with trees and um shrubbery in the near the boulevard. >> Okay. >> Um the planning commission did recommend to uh the applicants to install landscaping along that 81 um >> property line. So that adjacent to the railroad if they could uh if they could make it make it work with the amount of impervious and current parking spaces that they have. Um >> Okay. So that's already in the plans. Yeah, and it was it was recommended to them. I will note though that when we were looking through this, there is a utility easement, a large utility easement roughly 50 ft up on that north property line that abuts the parking area already that they don't own. So, it's a um underground uh gas line easement that runs through the property. Uh they would have to seek permission from that owner of the easement before they install landscaping in that area. So, while it is considered the that the north property line is a little challenging in that regard. Okay. >> And I I kind of want to go back to the triangle but not back to it. But certainly this auto auction must have an idea of how many people come in to the auction every week. >> There isn't an auction. >> There isn't an auction. >> That was their old business model. >> So this is just a staging area. >> Carvana, if you ever see their ads buy your car on the internet, they deliver it to your house. There's nobody there's nobody coming here. >> Okay. So, this isn't a auction lake. >> So, they can't they can't reciprocity the old usage to the new system. This has to be a whole different thing then because they're changing the use of the property. >> No, it's still an auto auction, but it it's now it's an online auction versus in person. >> Yeah. But before they they came to this site and they theyu cars off through lanes. Now they've changed the usage of it to where it's no longer have people on site. It's it's internet based. >> So to me they changed usage >> even though they're still building fixing cars here which now they're painting cars. >> No. >> No. >> No. It's >> just they were doing everything that they were doing everything when they were live auction that they're doing now >> is my interpretation. I I don't think they've changed anything that they're doing. It's just the method of how they're selling them >> has changed. Well, I mean, let's also not lose. I don't know how many employees they have today, but 200 employees is a lot of employees. >> Such thing as the Greyco office that's going in. >> Uh, they'll be between two 250 and 300 >> here >> at Gco Graco. >> He said 200. >> 200 additional employees. >> Yeah. And they might be part-time. Like when they were the auction, they they would have 200 drivers during an auction. Um, so, so I don't know what what their actual plan was. >> That would be important to know though. I mean, from an economic development perspective is like if we're really getting 200 full-time employees at this location, that's big. >> Yeah, that's massive, >> right? >> That's a really big deal. So I mean to me is that is it 200 drivers that happen to cross into the gate once in a while or are we really talking about 200 employees >> white collar workers? Yeah, >> I don't think that it's been specified to this point. >> No. is that I mean to me it doesn't change the support of the site plan necessarily but I think it does change how we might look at doing other things in and around the community in terms of promoting I mean you know there's really 200 >> retail services for the area >> so so I'm hearing really no objection yet >> I have no objection I'm just saying that I think there's opportunity if there really is >> anybody Anybody else an objection? I >> I have no objection. I actually would say that I support it. Um and am encouraged that the I mean it's it's property. It's a large piece of property that sounds like they're investing in and continuing operations. I'm I'm kind of excited to see what they'll do. >> Yeah. >> I agree. >> Sean, weigh in. >> I agree. >> Okay. Then this council or this group has nothing. >> Jack mentioned recommending additional screening. Is that an EDA recommendation? >> Well, it sounds it sounds like it's along territorial, not not along 81. >> I guess maybe just a definition of what their plan for. >> So, you said there was some plan for 81 as well. >> Uh, no, the planning commission provided that recommendation. The >> the challenge is agree with that recommendation. >> So, move a stand >> to have additional landscaping along 81. I had one other question related to it. There's something in the the narrative that talked about it's on it's on three platted sites. The the whole business is on three three sites and there was some uh discussion about or asking of their interest to to combine that into one plat and I'm wondering what the logic was pros and cons of doing that. >> So that was a recommendation that was provided by the planning commission as well. Um I guess I didn't see their their interest. We had talked to them after the planning commission. Did you say that was in the applicant's narrative for uh combining the three? >> Planning commission. >> That was the recommendation provided by the planning commission. >> I think >> I'm just wondering why we care. >> Oh, >> I uh I guess I had that similar question at the planning commission meeting as well. Uh the only reason is because the planning commission was kind of thinking that if this was one parcel instead of three separate, it would be easier to redevelop as a whole in the future. Um kind of a premature conversation when the discussion at hand is a in investment in the property. Um, in 2021 there was a request to replplat the property into three parcels specifically because they built these buildings but didn't have uh couldn't afford the 40 acre uh access charges for sewer and water. So when they built those new facilities, they subdivided the parcels off to make them smaller. So they're paying a smaller charge on that per acre basis. Makes >> sense. >> Um, that very well could be a conversation with this one in the future. um given how large this facility is for the 70,000 um square foot site, I think right now they're more uh interested in just getting through their entitlement process for the site plan review before they discuss the potential. They might come back to the council in the future and request a reduction in fees. Um they might request a lot split or whatever it may be to try and reduce that number, but >> the connection fees right now are about $750,000. Mhm. >> So that would be the plus to them of having the three sites is that >> you're just looking at this >> piece of it for >> and fees are based on the property size, not the building size. >> Sure. >> Okay. I I don't have an opinion about it. I was just curious why it came up. >> Sure. >> Did I get you where you wanted to go? Yeah. >> All right. Moving on. We got we got a >> 9:00. We have a motion by Jack and I don't believe there's a second >> for They're already doing that at planning stage. Did did you want to make a motion on that? >> Well, my only motion was to uh support the recommendation for the planning commission to add landscaping along territorial and then uh so I guess that's the motion. >> Okay, second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All opposed. Motion passes to create more screening for the Odessa/ Carbana. John 6 uh 6B strategic plan review. >> Thank you, Mr. Attorney. I'll try to breeze through this a little bit. Um so the EDA adopted a strategic plan back in 2022. Um it includes nine goals. I guess my intent is to provide an update of how we've what progress we've made on those nine goals in 2025. Okay, here we go. Um, in the packet there's a report on specifically for the nine goals. In the PowerPoint, I've got more of a listing of what the strategic plan is. So, the strategic plan is divided into a strategy, action, and and timeline. So, there's some things we've made progress on, some that we haven't. Um, I'm just going to repeat what the strategy is. So, uh, 1A is encourage tax based growth and diversification. Um, in 2025, um, we added about, I believe it was $75 million in tax value. Um, the property in Dayton is valued at about $2.4 billion. Um we have here this is the uh the top graph is a is a comparison of Dayton with the other surrounding cities in northwest uh not just Henipin but the northwest suburbs. Um you know so trying to relate okay what does tax market value mean? Well you know it's what is what are properties worth? Um but what then what and that gets into the municipal tax rate. So, um, generally speaking, the more value that you have or property value it is, the easier it is to lower taxes. Uh, so the best example you can see is the value that you have in Maple Grove, which is around uh 14- 15 billion. And then you can see in the bottom graph of what they have for taxes. So, you know, again, the more value that we have, the the more likely we'll have lower taxes in Dayton. Um, I'll add, uh, new businesses that we've had added in 2025 include Forgen Power, also known as States Manufacturing. They have 197 employees in Dayton. Uh, NFI Industries, which is a less than Freight Company off of 81, they have 94. Uh, Quick Trip off of 94 and Dayton Parkway is between 60 and 70. And then Turbine Pros on Dayton Parkway is 40, between 40 and 50. So, um, altogether that's somewhere between 320 and 340 employees that we've added in 2025. Um, the only business that closed that I that I'm aware of is the Bluebird Nest Resale that's based out of uh, Rain Tree Plaza. So, economically we're we're in a good condition. Um 1 C is encourage commercial and industrial property reinvestment and revitalization. Example of that would be um Adessa that we're going through although that's 2026 not 2025. Um if should ask do you want me to go through these or do you want questions? You got it. Okay. Are there questions that the EDA has? Are we going to update this every year or by year or how do we want to do this? >> Um, I'm going to say it depends on staff time, but I what I would like to do is provide an update every January. >> Understood. >> On how we're progressing toward it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You good with every year, guys? >> Okay. Thank you, John. I um do we I mean that I think that the giving a kind of a report card on how we're doing is is good. It seems like we ought to be looking at the goals from time to time to make sure they're still relevant. I know it talks about, you know, in there a city center being kind of in the Dayton Parkway I94 area, which it's not really anymore. And and more up by French Lake. And while that plan didn't get approved, that seems to still be the focus area. So, you know, just an example, I guess, of why we might need to update these goals from time to time. >> Is that something you'd like the EDA would like to do in 2026? >> Yeah, >> I think we should. >> I think at our next meeting or the one after or unless we're going to need a separate meeting is I mean, we can look at this and just say what what doesn't make sense anymore. I mean, I don't even know myself what's the latest on the city center. You know, I know there's been changes from a council perspective, but I don't know. Is it off the table? Is it moved a little bit? Is it the There was work to develop a a plan for a city center area north of where it currently was viewed. um was I guess there were enough issues with it that the city council did not adopt it and so it's sort of dormant I would say at this point until it gets picked up again >> which is probably part of the um comprehensive plan process to be starting later this year or next year I guess >> I would support reviewing the goals whether that's at the next >> one or two meetings or separate meeting >> but I think a A lot of it still holds true. >> I think you know there no reason to do a new strategic plan >> pretty solid. >> No. >> Yeah. >> Maybe just brush it up. >> Sound good? >> Yes. >> Okay. You got where you need to go? And did you say what you wanted to say? >> Yeah. We need a motion on that. >> No. >> Okay. Let's move forward to EDA strategic plan review. We got a hard stop. John's got leave at nine. >> Hey, real quick question on the on the three known non-residential projects that did not occur because of construction costs. >> Yes. Um, am I ahead of myself or is >> No, that that's part of this. >> Yeah. So, so were they just delayed or are they defunct? >> Um, a little bit of both. So, I'm going to find U. So, that I've got four projects. So, Scanel is delayed. Um, you know, that Scanel had proposed 126,000 spec um speculative industrial building. That building's still going to be built at some point. It's just not being built currently. Um, Oppedin had proposed a 200 foot uh spec industrial building. Um, they've walked away from that project. So, I I don't know what will be built at that location. It'll be something industrial, but not by opponent. Uh, Telcom had proposed a 26,000 foot contractor's yard. Uh, they've walked away from that project. So, again, it will be another user that will go there. Uh, still an industrial user. Uh Fiser Farms is an event center. Um so they're uh proposing to convert an agricultural building into a commercial use. Um that will still occur, just not currently. So a lot of this is all these projects are expensive. You've got an owner that can't afford to do it now. Maybe they can do it next year or the year after. Um, you have other projects where, you know, businesses that are looking for a location now, if it's too expensive to build in Dayton or whatever location in Dayton, they're going to build at somewhere else. >> Thank you. >> The the Telecom project, I guess that's news to me that that one has fallen off the table and they're they're not pursuing it at all now or >> not not in Dayton. I I don't know where else they're looking. >> All right. 7 A staff updates. >> Okay, I'll kind of try to go through these quick. Uh the city of Dayton does have an official city app. So, this is the probably the fastest way to to gain news about um things going on uh that are generated by the city. Uh snow plow policy. So, just because we're in winter, uh plows are out when there's a 2-in snowfall as well as uh when there's drifting or icing or uh when there's heavy snowfall during a heavy commute times. A third annual medallion hunt will begin on February 2nd. So, every day clues will be put out on the Dayton app as well as the city's website um with hints uh essentially for anyone that finds it, they're directed to contact the city and take a photo of of their location found and um the time that it was found. Uh Henipin County and Love storefront grant. So, the EDA did apply for a grant in uh this few months ago for $50,000. Uh had been has notice notified us that we will receive 30,000. Um this is for a 2026 project. We'll have more information about this at future meetings. And this is specific for u the uh the village or commercial businesses in the village >> and in the old village. >> Yes. >> Nice. Play place is every Tuesday morning at the activity center. Uh Dyson dominoes every uh second fourth Wednesday afternoon at the activity center. Um the social worker drop in is the third Wednesdays 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. at the Dayton Police Department. Elevate Henipin. So in uh December we did host an Elevate Henipin event. We had three businesses that attended. Um, I I was not for that. I know we had several EDA members that that watched, so I'm curious kind of what your impressions were. >> Well, I was happy to see there were people here. >> You start there. >> I mean, I don't know, you know, hopefully they they got something out of it, the time that they spent and they got access to some of those resources. But, >> you know, didn't didn't want to be involved in people's kind of private business conversations, but there were people here. There was activity, so I think it was good. >> Yeah. I will mention that Mr. Hutner did a little promo right at the beginning, which got I think there were I think there were three or four businesses total. Three of the businesses that showed up were impromptu and came in because of the promo right before the event. >> Oh, right. Right. On page >> because they were they actually three of the four businesses I think were from Dayton and I talked to all of them because I just was curious and they all saw his little blurb out on the community page and came in. So, I I thought it was overall good, but I think we can, you know, if you're trying to do events like that, promoting them somehow better than we're doing is >> probably >> maybe a flying wise >> went good, man. I caught up a county commissioner and we started talking some stuff and what we could better Dayton with. >> Sure. Yeah. I'll just add so the Elevate Henipin is is connected monthly somewhere at a city somewhere in Henipin County. December it was in Dayton, but you know it's free for any business um in Dayton to participate in. >> Yeah. >> Or in Henipin County that particip I like it was good. >> Yep. >> All right. EDA member updates. >> Oh, were you done? I'm sorry. >> Yep. No, this is for you guys. If you have any updates, >> you got any update? >> Nothing. >> Okay, then we have no updates. We I guess we've been talking updates all all morning here. So, >> yep. >> What else? Good to go. >> Yep. >> Put a fork in it. >> A motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> I'll second. All in favor? >> I. >> All oppose. Sean, go. I'm sorry, Sean. Go ahead. >> I No, I'm just agreeing. >> Okay. I keep forgetting to wait. Thanks. Thanks, Sean, for joining us uh remotely. Yep. >> Thank you. We're >> jjourned.