So I'd like to call to order the Thursday, October 23rd, 2025 meeting, Abidina's Arts and Culture Commission. Laura, could you please call the roll? Commissioner Byrne. Yeah. Commissioner Curtin. Commissioner Fram. Here. Commissioner Pandia. Here. Commissioner Scully. Here. Commissioner Steinberg. Commissioner Pichak. Yannes. Here. Commissioner Bazar Baruah. Commissioner Peterson. Here. Vice Chair Zabaran. Chair Westland. Here. All right. The first item on our agenda tonight is to approve tonight's meeting agenda. Could I have a motion to approve the agenda? Motion. Commissioner Steinberg and a second. Commissioner Burke. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. All right. We have an approved agenda. Next is the approval of the minutes from our September 25th meeting. Are there any comments on the minutes at all? If there are no comments, could I have a motion to approve the minutes? Is there written? Commissioner Pandia and a second. Commissioner Fram. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. All right. And we have approved minutes. I believe then our next item is commission input. Anything, anything, there's no community comment, anything. So I think we can move on to the commission input on the equity strategic action plan for the built environment. I'm Addison Lewis. I'm in the planning department and I'm part of a small subcommittee of staff here that's working on how to make our facilities a bit more welcoming and accommodating to different cultures. This comes from we did a equity strategic action plan that assessed the whole organization on a number of different categories. And one of those was the built environment. And now is the category where we scored the lowest. So we formed the subcommittee to look at how we can make some improvements to our facilities and the first two facilities that we're focusing on are the lobby entryway of city hall as well as the police lobby and also the public works and park maintenance facilities. So we're kind of in the early stages of putting together these recommendations and so we're kind of going to them different groups to try to get some feedback. So we thought it'd be good to hear from you all. So I included some of those questions in your packet. So I'll just kind of read through those here. So first, what do you currently find welcoming about our city hall police department lobby area and the public works lobby area. What would make a space more welcoming regarding the representation of cultures, whether it be artwork, furniture, signage, what process do you think the city should use to make decisions on which cultures to represent and how to select artwork. And then are there other groups that you think that we should talk to. Can I just confirm the public works building is that in Metro Boulevard? Is that the. We had some of our meetings there during that pandemic, I think. So just making sure I'm thinking of the right building. So I'll just open it up to you all for any comments or thoughts that you have on any of those. One thing that I really like when I come into the building is that there's a person there. I think that's really important to have a person there. And then for the city hall. And then I mean, it's very clean, which is also really important. Those are two of the things that I would say. Now, are you to those are general. Are you talking. Do you want input in terms of if there should be art. Or no art or. Oh, who's asking? No, that's so for when he wants comments because. That's, you know, that's where I was a little confused. To come. I have an answer, but. Yeah, I think we're thinking that there should be art, but we're not sure how we should go about deciding what that should be like. What specific culture should we represent? Like one idea that the proposed. There's a there's like a video screen down there that we could have like a cycle cycling different artwork. But where would we get that? How would we go about choosing. So we're kind of looking for input on all that. So I know my questions are kind of open ended, but. We're just kind of looking for lots of feedback at this point since we're still kind of early. I really love the architecture of this building and I think when you walk in, it's a really. Beautiful space with stone and wood and. So I find that very welcoming as. You know, in recognizing that the architecture is kind of part of the art when you enter. I agree that having a. Person, you know, when you walk in and you know, have a question about where to go. And every time I've been heard that person has been really friendly and smiles and nice. I think that is number one key to do that. I think it is interesting that this room is called the community room where a lot of meetings are, but when you walk in, you have no idea where it is. So maybe a sign pointing to the stairway or guiding people to the community community room where I think. Many people might be going. That would be important, but I do. I do feel that the space is really beautiful so that any art that's added to the space should work well with the architecture. I agree. I think that probably is a. As a tendency to put holes in that beautiful wood, but. There are ways to mount art with the spaces between the wood to that. I, you know, could actually be really beautiful on the walls and you could even do. Some kind of rotating art where maybe there's different groups that. A represented different cultural groups that are represented. And the huge space of floor. In their room for sculpture. I don't know if you're trying to encourage people to hang out there in the lobby. So I think that's as far as furniture or things like that. We eat every department is a little bit different. The department I'm in, we do get a lot of walk in. So we have people that come in, they check in with one at the front desk and. You know, it used to be that you could walk back to like planning department and building and now we're a little more locked down. So it's way more common now. That staff have to come up and meet with people in the lobby, but you kind of end up just standing. It's very echo. We know there's not like a lot of like tables and places to like look at plans and things like that. That is a good question. What's the role of those slotties and how do we then integrate, you know, all this other stuff with that. But there are some fundamentals is people are going to be in a lobby like making it easy for people to know if there's a Wi-Fi password or if there's a place to sit. What I really enjoy when I've been to other places is community engagement around art that tells a story. And it's not just about race and ethnicity, although that's an important component. But I've also seen it done exceptionally with different age groups. And you know, from the very young to middle school or high school, you know, anything all the way to seniors and having that is really pretty cool. You know, and then there's sometimes people's choice of words, but there's community engagement about that. So anyways, but it really kind of depends on what do we want our lobby to be here. Question as well. When we're talking about the grading, what criteria was used to give that grade? Like, what were you looking for? Or what was that? Like the grading for what exactly? For the lobby area, because you said it like comparatively to other places, it got like a lower. Oh, so as part of the equity strategic action plan, there were a number of different categories across the whole organization. So like human, human development was another one. I forget what the other one I think they were like a, but the building of the whole built environment. So looking at all of our facilities, are they welcoming and accessible to different cultures? Do they represent the community? Well, that entire category scored very poorly. That was our worst scoring category. I have mixed feelings because these are the only, especially city hall and police departments, these are our universal. I don't care who you are, what you are, what age you are. And I think the art has to be very human. I think we have gotten to the point now. I have to be very careful how I focus on this and how I'll say it. I think if you are going to get, I am, before I say more, I still am trying to understand, if you want it warm and friendly, then you have to, if it's furniture, then you have to have more of a cushy furniture. Somebody can sit down. But if you are talking about art, that's a different story. Maybe it has to be a universal theme. We are all human and it should deal with human. And when I walk in, I don't want to think politically. I don't want to think anything. I want to think of people holding hands or aging or heaven knows all the human things we all have in common, not our little titles of what group we are a part of. And especially in the city hall, where we are all congregating. I want to walk in there. Part of the reason I love this building, oh, that's my phone, of course. Part of the reason I love this building is it's open and it's simple and it allows me to breathe and it should stay that way. I think we get, there's other places to do whatever you want to. You mentioned that there was a screen somewhere. I'm wondering if it would be an opportunity to highlight the art that we do have in the community. And maybe like the classes that we have by featuring some of the artwork from a kids class or works that are on the promenade, which is maybe like meeting, maybe not exactly artwork, but a nod to it and a way of like not having to reinvent the wheel by commissioning more and bringing in new things, but really just highlighting what is happening in the diversity of art within our community already. I think you have to decide two things. The building is beautiful. The architecture is beautiful. I think we all agree on that. Either you say I'm limiting this to maybe a piece of sculpture, one piece of them that's a whole, then you're going to have a whole series of, you're going to open it up, how you select it, etc. Or you choose this area where there's rotation. And then everybody can contribute, but it should have a universal theme. If you're, I don't care what your group is. And so you have to answer some of those questions, I think, before, because basically this is a lovely building. And I think each building probably has to be taken on to its own. So I'm a little, I'm not quite sure where that your group wants us to to really go with this. This is. I thought you're saying there should be a theme to it. And then Mark. Yeah. I have a question. Can you add more color to what exactly the question was trying to. Mm hmm. Like why is it for Corley? Yeah. But what was the framing? Because I think there's a lot of inferences we can make as to what people scored, but like what was the. So there were a number of statements. And so this, this, there was a survey and it was put out to both staff and the public. Yeah. And so there'd be a statement about like, you know. The facility at the city's facilities feel welcome to me or I feel that I'm represented or I'm welcome here. There was just a number of statements and people rated their agreement with that statement. But we don't want to make that because I also don't want to make assumptions that folks who might have rated that are of. Yeah. In not majority group because they might be majority saying that would be helpful to answer these questions. I could find those and like distribute them to you and then you could always provide feedback later. But I don't have those with me today. I think one easy way to just not add representation of different cultures is language. Like if every signage is predominantly one language and I don't, I feel like I remember seeing some sort of a survey as to how many different languages are spoken in it. And you could just go to the top three that you don't need to do the exhaustive list. Yeah, we are working with a vendor that is going to help us kind of achieve like whatever the industry standard is for signage. And I think our city engineer Chad Miller who's kind of the lead of this subcommittee. He mentioned the industry standard is leaning more towards like symbols so that anybody can understand it rather than a specific language. So we're looking at making some of those improvements too. A lot of buildings that I've been in. You kind of get to see the values of the place and they highlighted and they work with that. So the art would be integrated with that. So is there something with integrity quality or service. But it ties to that and the other thing is what would make someone proud to be of this community and how to bring that up. So I've been in a lot of places where the universities or corporations, but you want to get that feeling of pride. And I think the welcoming piece for me and I haven't come to this feeling very often because I'm new on the commission. So I love the person, but it really feels a little intimidating because you can't go anywhere. There's a blockage there. Or if you just walk down a little bit in the lobby is like kind of feel like, okay, where are you walking to? It's private. And I don't know if that's intentional. So it feels kind of locked down. Yeah, yeah, that is kind of intentional now. Compared to when this building was designed, like it was much more open. And that was kind of the theme in government buildings then. Of course, yeah. Obviously there's been safety issues. And so now cities are locked down. So how to be welcoming in that kind of environment, I think is something to think about because I'm not sure that, you know, a piece of art is going to make the difference. I was just going to say, like I'm looking back at it and like artwork is one piece of it. And I think maybe I was reading too much into that one really it's accessibility and like ease of movement around this space. So I like the idea of like signage, language, a place to sit down. Of course I'm to talk to a person to approach because the architecture is art in and of itself that maybe doesn't need manipulation. But it is a city hall. I mean, it is and it has some. There are some restrictions to all of us. It's based on where we currently are and we can't pretend they're not there. And I think having it like you said a person to greet you. Comfortable places to sit. Put in soft music in the background. No, seriously things that are just soothing. Suiting to you as a, you know, anything. What a springery. It is a life thing. Yeah. And it's a nice evening area behind the counter, but you don't see it until you're already back by those office. And the elevator. I just saw the elevator for the first time today when I was walking and I didn't know there was an elevator and there was no sign saying elevators back here. Or restrooms or anything like that. So the thing a lot of city hall, I will say, because of the small area planning commission. The public works building felt like a maze. The crunch that I went in the evening, but I felt like I was in trouble thing. I was like, I don't know if I'm supposed to be here. I don't like I would like look into each and every room. So it didn't. The signage was not very clear. Again, I've not been there during the time and I don't know the purpose of the public works building is for someone to come hang out necessarily. I asked. Just put it back to the office. I think it's my view. Same thing there. But I asked the woman who's at the desk today and there wasn't Lynette. I didn't get her name. She said she's you know, she doesn't work there that often. She's a backup kind of. But I said, what is it that people ask you when they come in? And she said, it's usually about permits and where to go. And she said, she said the majority of people who come in and work here. So that also is a little bit different from a place where there is a lot of traffic of just people coming in and out. And so it may be that you don't want to have a lot of. What traffic are people sitting and meeting out in the lobby or, you know, comfy furniture. But I think those are things that you have to decide what is it that we're trying to do. Also the fact that she's now enclosed in glass. Yeah. I mean, that is a I mean, we all know we all feel it's COVID all over again. But maybe that's necessary to, you know, again, what we would like and what we may need might not be one in the same. So. That's a good question. Who's coming here and for what reason. Yeah. That helps. I mean, I will say, but I mean, one thing that's changed in recent years is there's early voting here. So a lot, I think a lot more people are coming to city hall who haven't been here before. And every experience I've had with early voting has been very clear. You know, you know, exactly where to go. It's right here when you come in. So I think that's handled really well. There were always enough places to sit down or I waited too late. There was, it was clear, you know, what to do. So I think that's probably bringing people to city hall who have never come here before. And, but I think that was handled really well by having it be immediately when you enter the building and all right here. And so I think that that was handled really well. I agree. I think it is hard if you, if you come here and are going to meet with someone after you check in with the. The front desk or whatever, then what do you do? I mean, but we probably, I never have to do that. But if people are standing around and that's kind of awkward, if there's a place to have more to help someone if you're waiting for someone here. And as in terms of the police, like I've only been there a couple times, but it's again, there's been someone at the front. A front window right away and. So that room was always really clear to me. I don't think you need a lot there. I don't know. I guess I don't know. You know, people are waiting in that room or what is happening, but that just seemed really clear to me. And that's not really a place where I think you want to hang out. So it was just. Sorry to go back to the survey questions, but I agree. Were these two buildings specifically called out? No. Okay. So we are also extrapolating a little bit here. No. Okay. So. The room decided on those. That was the first place to focus on. Okay. I would still love to know what their reasoning was and what some of the survey actually said because I think we're. We're talking in circles because we really don't know. But they're what they're really running from us. Okay. We might even have that. The report online. If not, I will, I will find it and I can get it sent out to you guys so that you can read through it and kind of see what the answers were. Why people responded that way. That might help. And then you can always, yeah, just feel free to email any other thoughts. I do agree that public works is. Is very not welcoming and you just kind of walk in and wander around to find the room you need and. I think I think there's posters or something up which had a community connection, but that might be a great place for. Photography of the community that. To help. Show different things. I mean, there's not a lot of room there for art. I feel like it's very narrow hallways and a very narrow entrance. So there's no room, but good photographs of the community might help make that space a little more welcoming, but. Just wall color. I just feel like it's very beige. Yes. I remember a lot of beige. It's coming back. I can see the rest of the image. Yeah, you can see that. But you just wander around until you find your group. You don't really know where they go. And I don't know if someone there during the day at that front desk. Okay, and I don't know who goes there during the day. Just have random meetings there. Let's see. Are there any other groups that you think we should talk to? I would give good feedback. One other group we've already talked to is the. The police have a multicultural advisory committee that they meet with. Just to talk about like better relationships between police and community. So that's one group we talked to. We thought of maybe reaching out to partner with the schools to see if like there's students that. Some kind of program where we can get through them. Good question for you students while you're here. Are there any clubs that would be beneficial for Addison to talk to. There used to be planet. We do have like an earth. I think we have some art clubs. I know Miss Town does an art club, but also like we are our teachers submit art to like. Be at the library and stuff. So if we wanted like student art, they could definitely be submitted here too, because I know like I've had artwork submitted to be. At the library and like I know my siblings who are in elementary school have to. So that could be a good option for like an age range. I agree with that. I don't think I really have any other specific suggestions besides that. I'm like trying to think. I'm guessing you all have talked to the staff. I'm sitting all in the police department. I'm. I took photos downstairs so I could look at this later in detail. Yeah. I remember seeing things like just events or things happening. There's a TV screen. But or. Just anything about what's going on in a dina. Basically, you know. The police department I did go in there too. And it's pretty small space. I think the only piece of art they have in their photos of the old police cars are down all that are. But. Well, I mean, it wasn't our photographs. It was just photos of different police cars. Yeah, which was kind of fun. But there's nothing welcoming really in that space. And I'm not sure that's what they want. The police. The dina police has had like several community events so far this year. Right. So maybe they can take some photos from those communities and showcase them. That's good idea. And they could be here. So those photos. I mean, that's a simple way to connect with the community and you have also much of the community members. The about rep reset. I love the idea of taking from the community and bring it here. Versus, you know, another approach. Bring the community. You know, alive and pride in the community. Because we have a lot to be proud of the dina. Right. And so. And the values are strong. The goals are, you know, we can be proud of that. So I think it's important to remind ourselves of that because not everybody goes to the website and reads it. So. How do we make it obvious? And even if you tell people they won't remember. So how do we bring it to life in a different way? Yeah, I mean, using the screen for photos of community events or. You know, it also works well for people who are. At City Hall who aren't from our community, but who might be here for something else. We're showing them more of the community. I'm something like that. Okay, final thoughts. All right, well, thank you. I will. If you the information on the survey and then you can share it. And then if you guys have any other thoughts you think of, you can just email it. Cool. Thanks so much. Thank you. All right. Now on our agenda is our work plan. The first, our first initiative is the Art Center at Southwell libraries. So on Friday, October 3rd, we had the groundbreaking. And I did see on KSTP news that night they showed our group doing the shovel. So, so yes, but that was really that was great. It was a really good event. And thank you to many people from the commission who were there. So any other updates at all is progressing, I would imagine. So, I'm going to go ahead and talk about the council. I'm going to go ahead and talk about the council. 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So if I want to go over to Centennial Lakes Park and we're remembering some of these and I want to see dreams take flight because that's where I am and on this map, my little blue, my little blue dot lives here. You can click on 37 and automatically it takes you to the photo of what the kids look like, but then it tells you who the sculptor is, what it is, when it was installed, where you are, and then a description of the whole piece, which is really an upgrade from what we have. This is so great. This is a cool walking map when people are in the actual space. We also have QR codes that are going to be posted around where all the sculptures are that lead you to this so that it gets people more excited about public art, any Diana? We'll be populating this with all of the pieces that they Diana owns, but we will also be populating it with art that was funded through TIFF funds and art that is important like this to our history. So this is an interior piece that many people haven't seen before, but that is pretty important to this location. It can be viewed publicly, only things that can actually be seen publicly will be posted on this site so that if people want to go see it in person, they are more than welcome to, but that's the hope with all of this. So are you saying that won't be on there or will be on there? You can actually go and see this piece. So then that's another information piece for people to learn more about the history of the Diana, which is kind of cool. We hope to make different buttons here. We would like to have an event button that leads you to information about the arts festival, that leads you to information about the concerts at Nolan, Nolan, Maine, but we have to clear that with communications. And Jenna has just been a rock star in populating this. She's out almost every other day taking pictures and figuring out where all of the different artists, and she's also been working to de-assess some of the art that was on those public art pages that you couldn't get to anymore. Like the art that's upstairs here that people can't really see anymore because the building is locked quite often. So it's not considered public art anymore. So that stuff has been de-assessed. So that's what I wanted to share with you because it's pretty cool that we finally have a real page about public art and as we go forward, more information will be populating on this and the walking map will be really cool. This is excellent. It looks really professionally done and smart and gives our commission credibility. But easy for people to find. It was always just this treasure hunt or scavenger hunt to try to find things. So this is also clear. Some of the cool stuff is that they were able to link videos to our YouTube channel. And so the Communications Department does some really excellent public art highlights, public art profiles on a lot of these different pieces. And this is going to give people the art. There are two guys from the range. So very authentic. They just wanted to pay tribute to a man who had an incredible... Communications that gets delivered by mail to highlight it. I love that idea. And we are actually scheduled for a March edition eDina all about public art. So they'll be promoting utility boxes this and the art on the ground. Wonderful. Because we don't let people know and letting them know how to get to this too. And the feeling was that after winter when people are kind of ready to go outside, that's what we're going to promote it so that they can get out. And Laura, where was the eDina magazine? No, does she need eDina? Oh, okay. That's good. So you're saying it will be in spring? Spring time. Yeah, we really want to... We're published, but it's not complete. And so we really want to give city staff time to complete it and have everybody look at it and make sure that we're covering all of our artists. Yeah. And how far is Jen, that was she like halfway or is it like three-fourths I'd say? Oh, great. Wow. And really rocking it out. Yeah, wow. And are there links? Like I know there's art in the library, but technically that's Hennepin County art, I think. We have a bare bench. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Look at that. Looks great. Yeah, the bare bench is on there. We don't have all of it. Okay. That's a question that we're trying to debate right now. How much do we put on here? Do we put private honed sculptures on here? Yeah. And so that's where the TIFF funded things come from because that's still city funding. We're going to see how it goes with public, our public art first. Yeah. Now that's good. Yeah. And we can always add buttons. You know, we could always have a private privately owned button over here. Yeah, if there's other are, see all the time and might have questions, even if it's not owned by Dina, I don't know if there's a place for that here. And that's just a matter of staff time on researching. All that kind of stuff. And do we do we justify that? Yeah. Now this looks so great. It looks really good. Pretty, pretty proud of it. It's up the template for the future of the handle new things. It's going to coincide when the Arts Center opens finally it all flows. Everything's up to date. Yeah, that's great. You know, where it should be. Excellent. Thanks, Jen and everybody. Yeah. Yes. That's all I have for public art. Okay. Anything from anyone else on our third initiative? Then we got to number four community events, which we've had any this fall. So. All right. And then the utility box art wrap. I saw Centennial Lakes looks fabulous. So that looks those. I've maybe didn't send that to you. I just noticed. Oh, no, I posted the last meeting. We had that. We had that up. Yeah. That one's not on here yet. But we have that one installed and the proof has been. Then created and approved for the one over by Pentagon park. So that box is it's hoping I'm hoping that they're going to install that either this week or next week. And they're just. I'm pros are slowly but surely kind of plugging forward. He has all the information that he needs to work on these boxes and it's. Kind of a crazy endeavor for them. So. No, not fast, but they did an awesome job on the city's box. Yeah. Yep. That's the way we updated. We did find out that we can wrap Hennepin County boxes. By getting a permit from them. So there's a possibility that moving forward. We might be able to work with Hennepin County to wrap some of the boxes. That's a next year discussion. I think. And where is the city? The city is now writing an article about that. Where will that come out? Press release. Press release. Okay. All right. So there's never any. We never know where that's going to come out. That's good. All right. Is there any update Laura on the city code where that's at right now? I have any information on that. I'm assuming there's no update. Your job is done for second code. Okay. So that one can probably fall off. I'll confirm with MJ. I'm assuming there's no update. And 50th and France. Also, I noticed that you sent something about. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm not saying it at the right time. About meetings. And we're the city council. Or said now. I forgot to put that in your packet. But yes, you are able to. Good. I mean, good. Am I right? That you can zoom or you can. I think that starts in January. So we'll have more information about it at our December meeting. Right. So we can zoom in. To our meetings. If we're not able to. Yes, there are some rules in place about it. But when I noticed was that you had to give two days notice if you weren't going to be at the meeting. So if you're, you know, or something, then you can participate that. Correct. Okay. Just like your sick from work. If you're sick from work here, sick from work. I explained. Wait, I'm sorry. I don't have a lot of information for you. Okay. Read the emails. Read the emails that MJ sent and you'll be able to general just a bit and we can discuss it. Yeah. In January. Will it be, I know we had that option during the pandemic and would it be the same program that was it Webex that we used or is that still in before it might be teams. I'm not. MJ will have a whole layout for you. But yes, we will be able to remote in. Okay. Sounds good. All right. Any, any member comments for that part of the meeting? Anyone. I know that was like a short discussion around maybe dropping up a meeting, but sounds like we're going to be meeting through the end of the year. Fine, but just wanted to remember that was a. We can talk about it now about the November meeting. We really don't have a lot on our agenda unless you all feel that we need to meet. About something. I think the plan was to talk about the work plan for the November like to have discussion. Yeah, we did talk about that. I feel like that could be moved to the summer. And because this work plan is for two years, right? So it would be. I think we're talking about like kind of a summary of here's where we are. Here's where we're at. Who's participating. Do people want to move more of like an open work? Yeah, I still with this work plan. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Laura, if we have an opportunity, like you had mentioned the possibility of the Hennepin County utility boxes, could that be for 2026 or don't have enough information about that. And we don't necessarily have a budget. Okay. So that would be the next work. We've always done utility boxes every two years. Yeah. That's because of monetary issues or monetary things. I don't know if I would be comfortable doing another round of. Well, and it's a fair amount of work with the submission. Yeah, that'd be. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. So we meeting next month. We're on the initiative. It says the commission will hear from city staff on public garden and wayfinding. During our November meeting, but that was today. Right. We just did that. Right. We write something. Where did it says there's a reference to our November meeting on the work plan for today. So is there another follow up on what we did today or is that kind of done. Okay. Sorry. I must have met. That's it. I just. Yeah. I didn't know if we had something planned for November. I can't believe we're finding. It seems like most of the updates will be by December. So it might just be more strategic to have it. December meeting. Yeah. We're having a member meeting and a December meeting because I think our December meeting now scheduled for what the 18th. Actually was supposed to fall. Right. So it's on the 18th. Yeah. No. We can just keep meeting and plan. We don't have to plan right now for. My personal preferences have this December offers. That's what we're going to do. Yeah. It's December. Oh, I get together. Um, Why is the meeting? November 20th. I think. Good. It was before Thanksgiving. Yeah. You know, both holidays. Both. Yeah. Always are tricky. Yeah. So whatever or anything, whatever the consensus is fine. Open it. How's. I'll look. We're just planning on meeting in November and have the discussion about December in November. Yeah, I can't make the meeting, but November, but I can share with our initiative team. Thank you. Okay. Sorry. We have a big. I was not going to be able to make it regardless. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Well, then we will meet in November and we'll decide then. It will meet in December. So I agree. December is a very busy month. So. Laura, any other staff comments for today or. There were some things in your packet that I want to draw your attention to classes start next week. If you have anybody who's really gone home to take a new class, we have space in our beginning oil. We would love to get more people signed up for, but look through the back of your packet for classes that are upcoming. And then I did also include the invitation for the November 2nd empty bowls event that's going to be happening at Norman Dale Lutheran Church. I'd love to have your attend that it's going to be really. It mentioned that the bowls are by local artists or some of them from the art center. They threw them at different points in time. We donated a handful of things, but then the. We actually had throw down events where people threw bowls and then the community was welcome to come in and paint. So it was a pretty neat thing. Lori Olson is in charge of the bowls were intended for this event. So they all wow. That's great. Great. Is there is that a volunteer contribution for the event or is there a set. Be or something. I think volunteering for it. I do volunteering at school and I feel like on the list of volunteer opportunities. I saw this. I don't know what the volunteering stuff is, but I know that there is like a sign up for it. Oh, good. Good. You can go on to. I was just wondering what is the turnout for usually have you had it before? No, this is the first year. So this one. All right. If there are no more comments for tonight's meeting, I move to adjourn the October 23rd meeting of a DINAs arts and. I have a motion for adjourned commissioner, and a second. Commissioner bird. All in favor, please say aye. And tonight's meeting is adjourned. Thanks very much everybody. Also just a.