[0:00] well good even evening everybody it is uh September 17th 2024 5:30 p.m. and [0:07] this is the city council work session uh for the city of bana we're gathered in the community room and we've got many of [0:14] our directors here with us as well as we talk about the 2025 to 2030 CIP and 2025 [0:22] proposed budget and um first of all before we get to that work I'm going to [0:27] uh ask our clerk Sharon Allison to call the rooll council member Agy here council member Jackson here council [0:33] member Pierce here council member rer here mayor H here and then I will turn [0:39] to Scott Neil to kind of set the stage and pot to our finance director is with us as well and uh prepared to work on uh [0:47] further budget matters here this evening thank you okay uh to start tonight I'm [0:53] going to take you back in time to April of 2023 that was the first time that you as [0:59] a city Council uh got a chance to to meet in a retreat format and a lot of the a lot of staff were were there that [1:07] uh that day as well that really was the start of of our budget making process [1:12] for for this particular cycle right it was a it was an odd-numbered year 2023 [1:18] so that meant that we were working really on our operating budgets our two-year operating budgets one budget [1:23] for 2024 and the other budget for 2025 uh as we moved uh forward in that [1:30] year uh to the to the kind of the time frame that we are in now uh we are working at at uh getting our budgets [1:38] together on the operating side uh projecting our our uh budgets our [1:45] spending and our taxing uh levels for the upcoming two years and when we got [1:50] to December of 2023 uh we presented a budget option to you and the council [1:55] endorsed that budget and we move forward from there and that is really what we [2:01] did for our operating budget for the year that we are going into 2025 is [2:06] that's when we had the last real thorough look at it and discussion around it so we're taking that budget as [2:13] our as our base what we what we typically do in the evid numbered years of that cycle for operating budgets is [2:19] we don't spend a lot of time on on those big decisions around Staffing and service levels Etc we spend our time on [2:27] the capital side and we're going to talk about those tonight but we spent a lot of our effort then just fine-tuning and [2:33] making sure the the the numbers are the same Precision wise right and that's where we are today um we're going to [2:40] talk about the 2025 uh budget taxing spending decisions but really we spent [2:45] most of our time this year looking at CIP and so I think we're going to lead with that and uh have a lot of people [2:51] here that are available to answer questions so uh I'll turn it over to p and she can lead us through her first [2:57] budget presentation p good evening council member and mayor so [3:03] thank you Scott for that recap um did it go it did not [3:09] go went now okay so uh like Scott mentioned tonight here is our uh work [3:16] session we met last time in August uh we presented our recommendation and then we [3:22] went we sent a follow-up email to you all as far as are there any suggest or feedbacks as we prepare for tonight's [3:29] Council work right and so uh tonight after our work session I will also add [3:34] to what Scott said we were hoping we are hoping that Council will adopt a preliminary Levy as well as a uh [3:42] consideration for the draft final draft of to 2025 2030 CIP and then of course [3:48] uh throughout the rest of the year in December we on December 3rd will'll be uh doing our public hearing and final [3:55] adoption of the CIP as well as our 25 lbby with this being said um depicted here is [4:02] our 2024 adopted budget which was uh adopted in conjunction with the middle section you see up there of the [4:09] attentively approved 25 budget in December of 2023 uh what staff are recommending is [4:16] our 13.14% increase if in comparison to 2024 [4:23] this is slightly lower than what was uh originally attentively approved in December of 23 this is again due to [4:30] slightly better interest rates coming back from the bond insurance of this uh [4:36] 13.14% 5.46 is to sign is attributed to the Fire Station 2 and the public uh [4:43] safety additional Staffing can [4:49] you now the the $2 million that was used to reduce the budget and then [4:58] is it 1 million it's 2 million in 2024 and that was from the budget surplus and [5:04] then 1 million is used in the 25 okay and that is still in the proposed or staff recommended okay I was just it [5:11] confused me because I didn't see that yeah you won't see that it but it's kind of blended into that Top Line the [5:16] general fund number okay yeah and I forgot to mention that we have a lot of [5:22] stuff to go through with you all tonight so then um we do have a time for questions and comments at the end that I [5:28] would prefer for us to hold questions to the end I just want to make sure we get through all of our [5:33] slides um and so when you ask what makes up that [5:39] 13.14% um you also have this in a handout in front of you for better visualization um as far as what [5:46] attributes to that uh increase which is a 7.1 million or [5:52] 7,148 589 increase from 2024 this will then bring to you all the items that's [5:59] listed on the far left um the middle percentage is then your total in terms [6:04] of percentage of the increase this in addition also offends those position listed on the bottom here where we get a [6:10] half FTE for the park and wreck program facility coordinator um and then we also [6:16] fund three additional police Staffing and six additional firefighter paramedic Staffing that we have committed to with [6:23] our previous uh adoption of 24's uh budget and then on the other side of the [6:29] chart is it's just a different uh visualization in terms of the different uh chunks that makes up that Levy [6:35] increase for 25 last time we met Council asked what [6:41] service um does the city is what service is City able to provide at this level of [6:47] Levy increase for 25 therefore what I want to show you is that um the service [6:55] level in terms of support just is in terms of just general Levy support we [7:00] uh supporting departments depend on about uh 16% and then our operating [7:05] departments depends on a 84% of this Levy dollar for the general fund this [7:11] again doesn't include all The Debt Service payments all the capital needs this is generally just for General [7:18] operation this is another way of looking at what those departments are in terms of functions and breakdown in [7:24] percentages um I won't go through it but again uh just a different way of looking at breaking it by the different sub uh [7:32] departments keep it in mind that this is not in proportionate to the total operating budget more so just for what [7:39] is supported by the general Levy you'll see a slide later on in terms of what [7:44] does the whole budget Encompass in terms of police department [7:51] they are dependent on the general Levy by 28% this will in tell them to provide [7:57] uh all those service that's listed here in addition to additional service that's listed out in the bubble anything that's [8:03] green I want to call out that this is unique to the city of Edina that residents are paying for that no other [8:09] City may offer that only city of Edina [8:14] has the next one is fire department they uh depend on 15% of the general fund [8:20] Levy of course this also brings out public uh special services that udina provides is from public health to ALS to [8:28] the different rental inspection um and fire [8:33] Services next one is Park and wck department they depend on 133% of this general f Levy uh and of course this is [8:42] to provide Park Administration to Recreation to all those other additional services that are highlighted in green [8:48] and of course we have to consider that these are Enterprises but then it's also part in terms of services that the city [8:55] is able to provide Public Works Department depends on 13% of this general fund uh Levy in [9:03] providing sidewalk Bridges maintenance to snow removal Street Maintenance and repairs to your Public Works admin and [9:10] general maintenance engineering depends on 133% [9:15] of the general fund Levy this goes towards uh your general Engineering Services to HVAC electrical [9:22] sustainability facilities to name a few [9:29] Community Development is another department that's supported uh with four needs support about 4% of the general [9:36] fund Levy this is uh from planning assessing to affordable housing and [9:43] Zoning administrative also depends on general fund Levy in terms of the operation side of admin this is for the [9:51] city clerk city council and the equity as uh Equity division as well as uh the [9:57] elections other support departments such as it HR [10:04] Finance communication and other components of admin also relies on this general fund Levy by about [10:11] 16% to provide those different Support Services to the operating [10:19] departments another question that we got from Council since the last at the last work session was uh what is the tech [10:27] cost in terms of uh over over the last couple of years what have we been seeing in terms of changes and increases so [10:34] what I have here is just uh some time slots uh since 2014 it budget has significantly [10:40] increased along with devices that it have to support with uh adding on additional IT staff I want to also call [10:47] out that licenses in particularly Microsoft has also increased uh significantly since [10:54] 2019 if not 2014 um as well as security support [11:00] right one thing that we don't have depicted up here or called out separately is like your software support [11:05] for different entities so to name one it would be like our financial system that will be another big component of the it [11:12] budget um coming into each of those year and they have that within the it [11:19] budget now when you say um so that is in terms of support to the general uh [11:26] general fund support what does that mean but then next up next step is I'll be going into what does the 2025 Levy [11:33] support in terms of capital project so previously staff presented [11:39] this to council as far as def uh on demand maintenance needs right so uh as [11:45] of 2023 there was 46.2 million of on demand maintenance that still needs to [11:51] be uh uh worked on uh Council asked what [11:56] how much of the local option sales tax T projects will be chipping away at that [12:02] number and so with that the only loss project or local option sales tack [12:07] project project that is uh part of deferred maintenance is our brinmar Ice Arena project this would ship away at [12:14] about a 13.1 million of the 23 balance of 46.2 million uh all the other [12:22] projects are not part of this deferred maintenance project plan therefore they're not called out but then taking [12:28] into the Ice Arena this would ship away and leave us with it 33.9 million [12:33] outstanding balance on deferred maintenance the next couple of slides [12:40] are going to be similar to this one but you also have it in front of you in the um packet that I provided uh projects by [12:49] funding source um what I want to call out to your attention is that um we pre [12:55] previously uh showed you these slides and also provided to you in a packet to request for feedback or recommendations [13:02] for us to make revisions or uh consider um we did not get any comments in terms [13:09] of CIP projects that will be dependent on the CIP Levy um however staff is [13:16] still recommending that in 25 a levy of the CIP uh Levy of 1.9 million with [13:22] incremental increases over the next couple of years that you can look in the packet with you uh that you have [13:31] and then 27 [13:36] 28 29 and [13:42] 30 and I know we did get a a a suggestion from council member Caroline [13:48] Caroline that uh for the Golf Center Golf Clubhouse and so you will see that [13:54] in another slide as that is a project that's too big in the bulk of a c levies [13:59] so we are considering it for a different financing tool to uh finance that [14:04] project but a little history of where the CIP Levy was and where staff is recommending for the future of this CIP [14:12] Levy um previously in 2014 um I've mentioned this before we had a zero Levy [14:18] for the CIP uh needs it was more so funded through our operation Levy uh and [14:24] recognizing that there is CIP needs to maintain or keep up with our maintenance need and project needs of the city we've [14:32] been slowly in incrementally increasing it over the time of the last decade um [14:38] with recommendation for 2025 and outward to continue increasing this number as um [14:45] you saw there was an crucial amount of deferred maintenance we need to keep up with um therefore as you can see in 25 [14:53] we did lower it a bit by 100,000 for 2025 as the annual Levy since 21 was [15:00] that 2 million however we moved that $100,000 difference um to the operating [15:06] this is more so than we can line in up with the comp plan being funded through operating rather than the CIP [15:16] Levy so here are a list of projects and as you can see up there Caroline I included the Golf Clubhouse and Event [15:23] Center um which is a 27 million uh project item uh we took into [15:29] consideration the only addition I added was that one all the other projects are still the same as I last presented to [15:35] you at the last work session uh the earliest that we can do or consider the golf golf Clubhouse uh Event Center [15:42] project is in 2029 this of course will give staff the opportunity to start designing and planning for it in as [15:48] early as 2728 this is in consideration of Staff capacity and other existing projects [15:55] happening at the same time [16:00] when we talk about bonding I want to give you guys the full picture in terms of what Debt Service will look like in [16:06] terms of the next couple of years right and so as we are projecting here as [16:12] existing um debt falls off it there is an opportunity for us to continue with [16:17] our maintenance of existing projects to add on additional debt so as you can see [16:22] that Golf Course events uh clubhouse is added on in 29 and 30 and then um the [16:28] other one existing right now as the gymnasium debt will be falling off at the end of this [16:36] year go back to that slide again and so what's um what's falling off in 202 [16:42] what's falling off this year this year uh will be our last payment at the end [16:49] of uh this year 24 um there's nothing folling off in 24 okay 25 in 25 will be [16:56] the last payment on the gas with the add of the new Fire Station to [17:06] Deb or as I called out there the community health and safety [17:13] center okay so depending on how you want to [17:19] describe falling off the Gym's payment we pay in 25 it falls off in 26 correct [17:30] another way to look at it is what is our financial management projections uh looking like in the next couple of years [17:37] of course with our recommendation of increasing the uh CIP Levy I have it highlighted uh starting in 27 through [17:45] 2030 and then with us bringing on that additional debt in 29 and 30 for uh more [17:51] so for the Golf Clubhouse um in 29 through 30 um we're looking at the [17:57] bottom line in terms of uh property tax levy increase year [18:08] over-ear so once again what does the uh tonight more so I want to focus us on [18:14] year 2025 right um knowing where the future is for 26 through 2030 we still [18:20] have some times in term of having these um productive conversation but then [18:25] tonight more so is on the focus of year 25 um what makes up that [18:31] 13.14% increase in year 2025 it has to do with us um our commitment in previous [18:38] year to the fire uh to Public Safety expansion in providing additional [18:44] positions with our debt service to the fire station as well as other existing [18:49] operation costs that we have to account for so that's listed [18:57] there so uh Public Safety expansion really the is the big thing that's [19:02] driving our 133% um Levy increase for the upcoming year the public safety it's important I [19:09] think to remember that uh we had a lot of discussions in like I said in April [19:14] of 23 at our Retreat and and that was at a time when when people were reacting to [19:20] changes in in in public safety right and those changes were were coming up [19:26] through through the public they come to you you voice them to us and and this has been our response has been to design [19:34] a hiring process for more uh police officers uh a new fire station and new [19:40] firefighters to be in the new Fire Station that's where that's where that comes from uh and I think it's important [19:46] to know that that's where that comes from so that's what we're looking at here uh police and fire make up about [19:53] 43% of our of our general fund budget um and so that's that's our bigger driver [20:00] if you look at the rest of our our spending in our general fund 75% is [20:06] pretty close to what we see uh a lot of our peer cities doing as well they're all in that most of them are kind of in [20:12] that range 7% say that again I didn't [20:18] understand what you said most of our Mo if you take just if you take out the [20:23] kind of the focused Public Safety spending that we're doing with expansions uh both in service level and [20:29] Facilities that leaves us with if 13 minus 52 is a 7 and a halfish you're [20:35] talking about the increase rate inre I didn't know what 7% was of yeah 7% of of [20:40] in the increase in our in our general fund Levy of 7% compared to our kind of [20:45] our neighboring cities and and so I just talked about [20:51] this as well uh this is how we we have trying to take what we hear from residents through you and push it into [20:58] to our our system our budget system and produces this kind of result uh the base [21:03] increase I also wanted to point to the half FTE in our parks and recck that's also related to kind of public safety [21:10] issues that we are identifying at that time uh and that's important I think to [21:15] know that's not a halftime position it's a full-time position half of it funded out of the general fund Levy half of it [21:22] from uh Enterprise and Enterprise re revenues [21:29] you know our our Alternatives in terms of what's available to you today we need [21:35] it's important to first to recognize that we need to adopt uh we need the council to adopt a preliminary Levy [21:42] today uh the statutory deadline to do that is September 30th uh if we don't [21:48] adopt uh a new preliminary Levy uh the current preliminary Levy is is what [21:54] moves forward so no increase in in Levy um we have some increase that we need [22:00] for for certainly for Debt Service and for other commitments that we've made um so we're my recommendation to you is to [22:06] move forward with the proposal tonight uh but moving forward with the proposal kind of affirms that our that we have a [22:12] process and that we follow the process it provides for kind of internal stability so people uh people that work [22:20] for the city have been thinking about this uh the budget for this year and the budget for next year have been preparing [22:25] to execute uh the council's direction in that in that regard and it also keeps our previous commitments that we've made [22:32] to each other to from us to the council from the council to the community um [22:37] planning we we have we can plan for for alternative budgets so um we can we can [22:43] look at reduction strategies but if we were going to do that the first thing we would want to do is have some discussion [22:49] with council members to see uh what your ideas are in terms of different uh [22:55] different Levy levels uh we would want to have some discussion with employees and Community engagement uh because they [23:01] were expecting something and we would be possibly changing it and in terms of the timeline um we would have to this is [23:08] something if we were going to change uh make a significant change from what we're proposing we would really have to [23:14] get on it like right away and and probably uh not do some stuff that we were planning on doing for the fall [23:21] because we'd have to have it completed by November 27th in order to be uh in [23:27] order to be ready for the public hearing which has already been scheduled for December 3rd the other thing that that [23:33] we have to uh kind of keep in mind too is that we have a deadline from hopen County uh about when we when we have to [23:40] provide them uh with the flyer that talks about our budget for the upcoming year that goes into the uh that goes [23:48] into the the TNT notice that residents receive and the the deadline for them to [23:53] get that is they have to get it by September 30th at the the last day henan [24:00] county has to receive it by September 30th to make sure that it's included in the October but in order for them to get [24:05] it on September 30th we got to know what's in it we got to know what's in it in order to write it so typically it [24:10] includes you know the the drivers of the budget information on when the public [24:15] hearing will be and comparison so our recommendation to you [24:23] tonight is to move forward with the proposed uh Levy increase for 2020 5 and [24:29] certify that later in the meeting tonight uh refine we we'll continue to [24:34] refine our budget uh for adoption there are some things probably in here that we could that we could bring that down a [24:41] little bit uh and then have the public hearing for the 2025 budget in levy on [24:47] December 3rd [24:52] question uh so overall I really like this breakdown of the levy increases I [24:57] think that this is really helpful asset um because where where my mind goes [25:03] right 13.14% it's very large and I know that we've talked previously about how do we [25:11] tell that story and I I think you know yes we can say the [25:17] 5.46% is because of the public safety expansion I think that's really important but there's also the base [25:23] increases and I'm curious if we know if we have any historical information about [25:30] um how much of this is related to inflation I see that as being one of those but I consider Market adjustments [25:38] and Healthcare changes and all those things as being related to our overall like current economy and so as we then [25:44] are doing the what is it 5e 10e forecast I get really nervous seeing High numbers [25:52] year after a year and I want to understand how much of this High number [26:00] this year is because of the current state of the economy and the state of inflation and are we assuming similar [26:08] rates for that Outlook or right I think they're talking about potentially [26:13] interest rates coming down how much of that could impact the year-over-year increases because we can there's a story [26:20] around why it's hi to this year but there's not a story for why it would be sustained at that rate over years to [26:27] come I can answer the part about known factors so we do factor into our future [26:33] out years what CPI is right and so that is at a rate of 3% just adjusting for a [26:40] consumer price index uh other factors we know now in today's is that there's a [26:46] 99.1% increase in our health care costs that's another component that we have to factor in when we're talking about base [26:53] increases for 25 um anything else I'm missing yeah [26:58] I'll just say that it might be 3% this year but if you look at previous years and last couple and the way that local [27:03] government tends to work is that we have contracts right so we're kind of um it takes a little bit for us to be hit by [27:11] some of those um increases that we we see coming forward we did in the assumptions that we put together for [27:18] that FMP forecast um it is conservative I would rather be slightly conservative [27:23] in what we're projecting and be able to deliver you good news about hey the number went down then be on the other [27:29] side of delivering you um news of hey we didn't um calculate enough um but there [27:36] is a world that we could live in where inflation could be worse than what we're expecting and we might have to bring that to you but we we did try to assume [27:45] um what we thought was responsible for a Outlook that's looking out six years we [27:51] I mean there's there's a lot of factors that will play into that including construction costs you know shortages of [27:56] product stuff like that that comes into the play that that could impact it one way or the other so are we [28:02] feeling the still high inflation rates disproportionately this year and last [28:10] year or is the numbers in here reflective of a very average kind of [28:15] year of increases that we see as a city I think that we are higher in terms of [28:21] health insurance anyway being one of the biggest drivers when you look at that number at a 9.1 compared to what it's [28:28] previous years so it depends if our bands CH it gets really [28:34] complicated you have anything to out there you're good I don't um luckily [28:40] we're on the lower end of our comparable cities um I know some other cities are [28:45] much higher um but yeah it's very it is complicated unfortunately Healthcare is not decreasing in cost so you think of [28:53] Pharmacy think of you know supplies it's just something down that's for sure it hasn't been really done for for years [29:01] but we do look at experience rating and things like there's just a lot that place to it Chad do you have anything to [29:06] add about you know like product what you're seeing from like a street construction that type of side of things [29:11] or things you're starting to see it start to be more normal but at the beginning of the year it was still [29:18] working people are catching up for materials and supplies and stuff like that I think it's starting to adjust so [29:23] we should see that probably next year bit [29:29] our health insurance we're part we are a member of the logis Health Insurance Pool so we're in a pool with other city [29:35] government so it's not a it's not a private sector uh health insurance company which is a good thing some of [29:43] the cities are seeing almost a 30% healthc care increase and we only saw nine so that's a really good deal for us [29:52] so I I love this question you and I like [29:57] the last three three slides by the way thanks um idea was [30:04] uh but I think it gives us a huge opportunity at some point so we just [30:11] have to decide if we want to do it to show the other side of that which is [30:17] getting out of the the the position of saying here's what it is yes it's high [30:23] it is what it is that's kind of what we just did right and that's fair um here [30:30] are some things that are impacting it that's fair too we typically do that the [30:35] next spin on that is having some kind of commentary that says Health Care is 9% [30:44] increase it's lower than our comparable cities and here's the three things we do [30:52] to try and manage that so that our increase isn't a high stick it's you [30:59] know it's it's kind of follows inflation or whatever and so I don't know what we do but I'm sure we do something and so [31:07] being able to tell that story then says yeah it's high but you can trust us we [31:14] understand we have a fuer responsibility to make sure we're not spending more than we need to and in this area here's [31:21] how we do that the mayor and I were visiting uh [31:27] earlier today and talking about how do we how do we start building [31:33] our budget for for the city do we start with seeing what our what how much money we have to spend and then figure out a [31:39] way to spend it or what we really do is we talk to you and in our Retreat we get [31:44] a sense of what you'd like to accomplish in the community we build kind of service levels or or models of service [31:51] levels and then we put a price on that right are we going to are we going to use uh contractors or Consultants or are [31:59] we going to use employees and what are they what are what are they going to cost us what is the equipment going to [32:05] cost where are we going to put them we kind of build the expense side then we [32:10] test that against the revenue side to see how intolerable it you know the the levy or or the user fees have to be in [32:17] order to support the that kind of program of service so that's how we build we build it from the expense side [32:24] to the revenue side and then present both to you [32:30] I have a bunch of questions first of all when I suggested The Golf House I didn't know that that [32:37] meant starting to plan now to build it and I so I would recommend taking that [32:42] off the CIP I don't want to spend staff dollars right now I thought of it as a placeholder we also have a third fire [32:48] station that we've been talking about I'd like to I I know we only go out 5 years but it needs to be in the [32:55] consciousness of what we're doing those both of those projects um I don't want to spend staff dollars right now [33:01] planning the golf house um I know it's out there it's the need and I I think [33:07] what I'm trying to avoid is this um surprise oh guess what the building is [33:12] really in crummy shape why didn't you tell us that why wasn't on a CIP kind of thing so I don't know if there's a [33:18] longer term CIP that's out there or unfunded sort of things um and so that's [33:24] really what I had in mind with the golf the golf building um but also with the [33:29] third fire station I want that noted because we know those are both things [33:35] that are are out there um I'm very concerned about how the hockey rank just never ever got on the CIP and fell [33:41] farther and farther behind and I want to avoid that um so that goes to the [33:47] CIP um I have some real just specific questions and so one is for Perry um [33:54] director better um you know the story that I remember is that we have [33:59] playground equipment that can no longer be repaired because the parts aren't made and so we have this Levy for parks [34:06] and that's to me kind of a one-time surprise that came up um that [34:14] you what we do with equipment is we keep repairing it until it's really Beyond his repairable life but there was a [34:20] cliff where we were repairing repairing and then we couldn't um can you confirm [34:26] that for me or tell tell the story of that absolutely C Jackson the and I [34:32] can't speak before my arrival right but um when when I arrived that was one of kind of the evaluation criteria that we [34:39] looked at and what was kind of discovered was a lot of those playgrounds were approaching the 20 plus [34:45] year mark um A good rule of thump is replacement around that 13 to 15 16e [34:53] time frame okay so what the special Park Improvement Levy is one replacing [34:59] playgrounds um and they are Replacements right they're typical size typical scope [35:05] and scale and amenities for within that Park and it's also going to be replacing [35:12] the five worst Park shelters that we have um that my understanding is it is [35:17] part of the general fund Levy but dedicated to those two uses so I would say at the end of that cycle that would [35:23] be a discussion point with the council to say do you want to continue on this path of replacing around that [35:29] recommended 13 to 16e time frade but we will get through all of them and then we'll have that opportunity to have that [35:35] discussion so we'll be on track we'll be caught up and then we can have the discussion how do we want to handle in the future and that's kind of that [35:41] long-term vision of we would staff would recommend keep going right so we don't get in that position again okay um and [35:51] then so am I telling the story correctly when I say that okay yeah um we still [35:58] have wood we still have wooden playgrounds we still have wooden playgrounds all right um and then the [36:03] other another question I had was in the discussion about the um there's Andrew [36:09] um Chief you're on the line now um and that was when we talked about the need for additional fire stations and um and [36:17] adding staff for them you had a great statistic about the number of calls for [36:23] service for the paramedics and I think that that's really important in telling the story here because um and I would [36:31] like to see it both in in absolute numbers of the last 10 years and then also in per capita numbers because I [36:37] just remember that presentation you g gave and I was jaw-dropping um and so I don't you know [36:44] I think I wish that could be part of the discussion tonight do you have those into your fingertips I have on the [36:50] screen right now I'm prepared for Council um we have I I don't know [36:56] specifically what you referring to for what the exact data that we were talking about but just in in total call calls in [37:04] 2014 we did 4,900 calls total and um and [37:09] of those the um excuse me 2014 we did [37:14] 4,915 calls last year we did 7,220 calls um this year to date we've [37:23] done 5,197 and then I think kind of probably [37:29] one of the areas that was important to you was the total kind of EMS versus [37:34] fire calls of those years um and so we roughly of of those 7,000 calls last [37:43] year um about 77 or 78% of those are ems [37:48] related calls and so we talk a lot about the demand for um emergency response and [37:54] the demand on EMS Services especially as health Care Systems are bogged up um and that's why probably politically you've [38:01] heard a lot of different discussions around the ambulance services throughout the state the challenges that they we've [38:07] seen both uh in the Statewide level and nationally um so that's that's a big [38:12] demand and a big increase that you've seen is the the Reliance on ambulance response in the [38:19] city thank you um all right let's see in years past and this is more of a a [38:26] overall budget question but we've seen how the P has increased and in your Friday report I think $253 million in [38:33] building permits this year the valuation of what's being built yes yep and so [38:41] that's $250 million bigger pie and I think that that's important for the [38:47] public to process this that if the levy is going up 133% the pie is also going [38:53] up so that that their percentage increase of their tax bill won't be anything like like 133% no it will be [39:00] you think yeah you know sometimes the the Kevin St know used to call it the [39:06] kind of the wind chill right sometimes there are times when uh we would we [39:11] would increase our Levy by 8% but the impact would be two or times when we would would the impact would be 10 and [39:18] our Levy increase might be four right this year it's looking like it's pretty close right the the levy increase is [39:26] going to equate to pretty close up to a 13% impact and that's cuz a lot of the [39:32] valuations are driving up for residential higher than commercial so sometimes that formula changes as well [39:38] shift um this year it's a lot of that is driven by the relative growth of the CI [39:44] tax base commercial industrial tax base against Residential tax base and as the res as the CI has has dropped you see a [39:53] lot of that about Towers in Downtown Minneapolis we have some of that too and [39:58] and we've had uh that that value has been kind of stagnant for this year uh as our but our residential numbers have [40:05] gone up but not quite as much as they have in previous years okay that's helpful thank you [40:12] um and then you know if you think about it Department by Department by [40:18] Department I mean the spending on it has gone through the roof I know that one of [40:24] the things I've been telling people about is a dish is something that we started and I just I'm curious as to we [40:31] get increasing demands from the public to tell us more and and communicate more [40:36] and and I know that's been going on for a long time has H how much has the [40:42] Communications Department expanded its needs or its response to our need in the [40:49] last 10 years I don't have it [40:54] here maybe I can we had the uh it stuff earlier you had [41:00] the it and that's just jaw drop and your staff Ryan your your Staffing though has been fairly level the last couple of [41:07] years right last few years yes but there's you know over over the last 10 years we've [41:12] increased yeah it was like aund and something per I I did the numbers well [41:17] the the overall number over 10 years it's just been and that's the modern world I mean [41:25] but that's part of the story so I have okay okay in 2014 the communications [41:30] divisions budget was just under a million dollar at [41:36] 98,3 157 um our actual expenses for that year [41:41] were just over1 million at $1,534 our proposed budget for this year [41:49] is$ 1.7 um million do as you heard 1% of the [41:56] city's um Consolidated budget most of our budget is for uh Personnel um since [42:02] 2014 we've gained just one part-time employee and that's our administrative support specialist to back up the city [42:08] hall receptionist so most of what we're doing is you know writing maintaining [42:14] the website doing social media the outside of personnel costs where we've [42:19] seen the biggest increases are in postage for your newsletters and we are seeing reductions [42:26] which isn't really reflected here in Peg fees um and cable franchise fees we've [42:34] also reduced advertising we no longer uh produce about town quarterly with [42:40] $225,000 in advertising in each issue and we don't sell advertising in [42:46] addition okay do you think that we can call off this meeting with [42:53] age preservation what time are they coming in uh well it's it's not here yeah it's not [43:00] the HPC it's the Historical Society Historical [43:05] Society [43:11] here so that's the question yeah we got no chance of having any kind of a substantive conversation about this [43:17] really important issue here before we get to a council meeting and then it's going to [43:23] be um going be different kind of [43:28] conversation extension to this one what we we got to what we've said in [43:34] the past as a council is that we wanted to accomplish certain things in 2025 but you could say that the need for [43:42] enhanced Public Safety took a took us a direction that [43:47] we didn't expect made more of an acceleration of what we thought we needed to do to keep our people and [43:53] property safe so that's 5.43% so so for me the question [44:01] becomes what did we say that we wanted to accomplish in 2025 from a service [44:07] standpoint or a capital investment standpoint that we might want to back [44:12] away from and do it in 26 or 27 try to keep [44:18] the rate of increase down because if the the point you were making if the rate of increase uh at 13% doesn't [44:27] turn out to be an actual increase of something less than that we're going to be in double digits [44:34] and um I don't know how many uh you know there's there's independent funding [44:39] sources for most of the things on this list but you gave us with the list of 1.9 million worth of projects that were [44:47] related to the levy General Levy correct and if we I'm just using this sort of a [44:52] wholesale conversation here but if we said we want to decrease the bottom line Levy we can either decrease service or [44:59] we can decrease capital investment or a combination of both so if we said no we're going to I'm [45:06] thinking that that 1.9 represents probably 4% three and a half four [45:12] something like that that if we said we're going to hold off putting a new park shelter building [45:19] in Lewis Park they'll talk about it next year these are just things I think are [45:24] important to think about what percent of the properties in our town do you think pay $20,000 or more a year in property [45:31] tax we talk about the medium priced home all the time and it's $273 a year I think is what we're [45:38] talking about on increase here if we went to the 13% it's about a I have that the the the [45:46] increase though in in if you look at the monthly property tax the cost of city [45:53] property taxes on a monthly basis for the median single family home goes from [45:59] 170 $177 $177 to $200 yeah it's like [46:06] $233 you extrapolate that out it's $200 some do a year y if you take that [46:12] same idea take it to a house that's worth that's getting taxed at 200 or 20,000 or $30,000 a year your taxes are [46:20] going to go up$ to $4,000 in one year we got a lot of houses in need Dina [46:27] I think that's why I ask you the question that are in that taxation [46:32] range sorry would have to get back to you with that piece of [46:40] information we use the median though because it is easy to to scale both scale it up and down what we've always [46:47] said when we did the prary levy adoption was that this gives us time to figure out what we want to do until we get to [46:54] the final Levy time in December but there's a particular stickiness to [47:00] that preliminary Levy number for people in our community that maybe don't [47:06] realize where the number could go down so I think it's really tonight in [47:11] particular kind of tricky work when you get into double figures on um studying the preliminary [47:18] Lev but at this point I guess my question is and maybe your question like [47:24] where is there that flexibility because if 5.9% of the of the total is from those [47:32] base increases and 3 5.46 is because of [47:38] the public safety we're already in double digit regardless and so what I'm [47:43] adding is there's 1.8% potentially if you look across the [47:49] street assessment policy change equipment Capital increase zoning comprehensive plan those three items are [47:55] the only other ones that are contributing to that total no these are all contributing to the $2 million worth [48:01] of capital Improvement plan projects that are contributing to the total so that's true on the services side and Jim [48:07] saying yeah on the capital investment side on the CIP side is the only place I'm not talking about reducing servility [48:14] yeah you guys are making kind of the same point if you're not thinking about producing Services yeah okay but I'm I'm [48:22] thinking if there should we be should we be thinking about trying to do everything we thought we wanted to do [48:27] yeah uh from a capital Improvement standpoint or I got it had 10 drop [48:34] [Music] um and that's that's conversation I [48:40] guess I'll have um I do want to thank AR for [48:47] sending out the unfunded projects because I think it's really important we [48:53] look at this and yeah it's it's a lot but there's a lot that's not going to happen and I would like to go back to [49:02] the slide about on demand maintenance I think it's page 13 M but as I look at [49:09] what is not getting funded fire station number one a, [49:15] [Music] 25182 of deferred maintenance and I don't know what that is um deferred [49:24] maintenance I mean that [49:29] can really of course we all know that can really turn out to be very expensive and as I look at the facility condition [49:36] index um I'm seeing that 38 Citywide um .67 for Edinburgh Edinburgh [49:45] seems like it's in really rough shape but I'm sure within the city there's a range you know of buildings and I feel [49:52] like as a council person I don't have enough [49:57] um understanding of just you know what the significance is of not doing some of [50:04] the things so I I want to get that out there too I always start with is high [50:10] bad and low good low is good low is good zero is [50:15] excellent high is bad okay thank good barometer is .25 okay that that's kind [50:20] of a you know you're able to maintain your assets and the maintenance on them [50:27] um without um major inflections of cast un every five to 10 years or without [50:32] anything falling into neglect okay thank you what is the number for fire station number one as a standalone do you know [50:39] that or uh not off the top of my head but I can get it very easily for you um I can tell you you know the the 1 [50:45] whatever million dollars that wasn't shown in there um a big chunk of it comes back to electrical mechanical this [50:51] right so we talked about this before with building age um that fire station is starting to reach that age with those [50:56] mechanical electrical systems um have reached end of their use of Life they're not things that are falling apart or not [51:02] working anymore it's just we're expecting them to you know start to reach a point where [51:10] repairs no longer can extend their life we need to replace that P okay no because that tour of the Aquatic Center [51:17] and also touring Brar yeah um was a wakeup call so got that in the back the [51:25] reason Edinburgh is so high was um the construction of the building right so a [51:31] large portion of that building is glass skylights clear story Windows things like that um that is you know3 to4 [51:38] million of different okay thank [51:45] you so what what what are we um what are [51:51] we presenting then that's up what are we presenting Council Rel to [51:59] uh this it's this presentation the one you just showed us okay there's a couple additional slides but most more things [52:06] you've seen a lot of times like I think the story [52:15] of the 11% is based safety [52:22] fire um and the number might be different but it's on your slide articulating what those cost drivers [52:29] are and then I mean saying we you know we hear [52:36] Community this 13% right it's it's it's a [52:42] lot and we have work to do to see if there's a way we can lower that by [52:47] looking at our CIP um projects uh we really don't want [52:53] to compromise quality in those are is I like the way you teed up the the fact [53:00] that a lot of this is feedback from the residents like I think we have to see it [53:05] up that way tonight the last thing I want um and I mentioned this to you this [53:11] morning I don't want to go into a public hearing when we're just going to hear [53:18] people say it's too high and so we've gone a long way and at least been able [53:24] to articulate what those cost drivve are so people can at least internalize some [53:29] of that information um the better we can do that the more we can do that I think [53:36] the better I I like those additions but that's kind of what's in my here we're [53:42] not going to be able to figure out which one of those things to pull off I don't [53:48] think I think the point you're making is that a good thorough discussion of how [53:54] we got to setting the preliminary l tonight in the work ahead yeah to figure [54:01] out what we're going to be recommending or what the final Levy will be is going [54:06] to involve significant amount of work yeah and input from residents right we given oursel the [54:15] flexibility by using the staff driven [54:24] number can I throw one more not not for tonight but to go back to [54:30] member Jackson's question on um is this 13% and you gave the the you went into [54:39] commercial ver property um so the $9 million [54:45] projection so the big question I have I think we have to [54:50] forecast and may we do this our revenue and the revenue model [54:57] across all of that and so like we need to be getting some insight into well if [55:03] it's 9 million and we're still at uh 90% residential whatever the number is well [55:11] what does that mean in our community um if we have to absorb that [55:18] kind of an increase in 20 whatever the year was to start thinking about does [55:24] our Revenue model we we may need to start shifting our Revenue model now meaning adding more [55:31] businesses or what have you and we can't wait till 2028 to be doing that so I think really [55:39] doing that kind of forecast now will start to give us some kind of insight we that is one of the that is [55:46] really one of the fundamental advantages we have as a city government is that uh our assessing department will tell us [55:53] what our tax base is going to be a year ahead of time right so we we've got a really solid [55:58] forecast now there'll be a little bit of you know there'll be some taxpayers mostly on the commercial side [56:05] that we'll want to appeal and they're going to court and actually our susing team's been in court um yesterday and [56:11] today that's why they're not here tonight but they they can tell us with a pretty high degree of certainty which [56:17] way our which way our tax bases going not only which way our tax base is going but which way the components of our tax [56:24] base so am I hear you say we have that we do [56:30] okay y I don't know if you have it I don't think I'm sitting but I don't have it [56:35] where I'm sitting I have it to the mayor's point though and I think this came up during [56:44] our what what do you our little getaway or whatever Retreat thank you words just [56:50] don't f um concern about not having enough time to talk about the CIP I [56:56] believe that came up and I think you know we need to bake in more time for [57:02] that and I don't know what the answer is if it's having an additional meeting between that initial one in August and [57:09] then another one and then this one but I think all of us I I also feel like we don't have enough time tonight to do a [57:16] justice so the CIP is doesn't have the same kind [57:22] of statutory deadlines like that our preliminary tax levy have so we can continue to discuss the C [57:29] throughout the fall and not run into a deadline until December right and I know [57:35] they're interconnected but it just it's it's frustrating I think if we would had [57:42] another month I have that one work with would have been helpful it would have [Music] [57:47] been although um once you set the preliminary Levy and then go to work in [57:54] the Gap period until we get to the early December it's that should be sufficient [57:59] time to get some ideas out there and show some [58:05] options so so James this is the this is what I was talking about this is the [58:10] market value uh projections for and these aren't just I I will say these [58:15] aren't projections these are actual numbers and one of the things you can see happening in 2024 on the commercial [58:23] side is an actual decrease in our in our CI tax base from [58:29] 2.38 billion to 2.5 excuse me 2.35 billion you can see the [59:02] so it's interesting to think that in the last probably since 2009 we've doubled [59:08] the market value of the property in our town create that bigger base that Caroline's talking about but we're still [59:14] looking at a 133% tax increase in the demand for service and [59:22] Capital Improvements yeah we're doing a lot [59:34] all right we move to another topic Historical Society Historical [59:44] Society [Music] [59:52] thank cute [1:00:19] just where she playing at what Cary is that a park [1:00:27] McCarthy field yeah I think it's by coner [1:00:35] yeah thank you mayor council this evening is a follow-up conversation related to a discussion discussion we [1:00:43] had earlier this spring in February uh related to the edine historical society's uh request related [1:00:50] to their their uh their board and their function uh this evening s is here she's [1:00:56] the president of the Edina Historical Society board and um we are going to [1:01:01] just jump right in cuz I know we don't have a a whole lot of time but just as a recap um I always joke if it's been [1:01:07] longer than 30 days we will remind you uh theoric society was established in 1969 as a [1:01:14] 501c3 uh they were formed uh by the city and the residents to save the historical [1:01:19] kill school and buildings and then also to provide historically related programs [1:01:25] uh their mission is to collect preserve and tell the dino story and they operate out of arnison Acres Park and they do [1:01:31] additional programming at the SK kill School in the gra building um just as a little bit of uh [1:01:38] recap on the background the city provides $20,000 annually in their operating uh funding uh the society is [1:01:45] eligible for and has received Legacy grants from the state of Minnesota Historical Society so just as a [1:01:51] clarifying fact those Legacy grants the eligibility is often a a little bit stringent uh so for example the city of [1:01:58] udina could not apply for and receive those grants but because the historical society is a 501c3 they have a different [1:02:04] eligibility for some of those uh they provide the following Services they archive records and materials that would [1:02:10] otherwise be eliminated with the Minnesota data Practices Act uh they do [1:02:15] cataloging and preserve Acquisitions they do exhibits they bring in speakers and they provide research materials um [1:02:24] uh for the general public so as a reminder at that time we looked at kind of a a three tiered option uh one is [1:02:30] kind of the status quo I don't think anyone was excited about that there was discussion around the city absorbing the [1:02:35] D Historical Society or increasing financial support to retain them as a um [1:02:42] as a as a viable organization in the community uh so just a recap of the [1:02:48] specifics of the the request it was to uh continue to Grant the $20,000 [1:02:53] annually to the Historical Society in this fiscal year that has occurred it was to uh Levy an additional $80,000 [1:03:01] starting in fiscal year 2025 uh for a total of $100,000 [1:03:06] continuing through fiscal year 2027 um some of those Pros it would defer any type of a a merger or worry [1:03:13] about that for at least three years it allows time for us to um conduct an operational evaluation and improved [1:03:20] funding uh would stabilize with a uh executive director position should [1:03:25] improve their service levels related to hours open and access um there would be [1:03:31] potential for amending bylaws improving board membership uh continue to retain the ability to seek grants that was one [1:03:38] big thing and then reduces a little bit of concern that the city would have to maintain and document that collection um [1:03:45] some of those concerns at the time were desen decentivize money raising initiatives donations memberships um may [1:03:52] lead to an expectation of annual increases um and requires that onetime increase in [1:03:59] fiscal year 2025 um so the UN Historical Society board listen to you um that work session [1:04:05] they uh looked at the minutes they listened to the recording they captured your discussion about what that takeaway [1:04:11] was um and the the board went off and with uh did a if it was a retreat [1:04:18] exactly but spent a lot of time um working through and submitted a strategic and or a strategy and [1:04:25] operational plan plan we did include that in your packet this evening of that submission that included just a recap of [1:04:31] the vision admission but then what strategy would they use to implement that what would their operating plan [1:04:38] look like how they would evaluate and monitor on those key measures they [1:04:43] performed a situational analysis so uh strengths weakness uh threats and [1:04:49] opportunities exercise and they also included a three-year uh budget projection as well so that perform up [1:04:56] um so I will turn it over to the the council for questions I did want to um [1:05:03] just highlight that uh don urum did a a lot of work on this process as well [1:05:08] during his his I don't know tenure intermediate tenure part-time tenure [1:05:13] however we describe that as well as Nicole Gorman and Nicole Gorman is a recreation supervisor in parks and [1:05:19] recreations she's also our liaison and attends the Historical Society board member so I had the opportunity to [1:05:25] provide this presentation tonight although they are the two that have been doing all the work on behind the [1:05:30] scenes right yeah questions yeah so I'm curious about the line [1:05:36] between us taking over and it continuing to be maintained as a nonprofit is there [1:05:44] a certain funding level in which that happens or how do we ensure that we're [1:05:50] not taking it over I would say from the the staff perspective that's kind kind [1:05:55] of why we're we're in the favor of the increased financial support because it really would be um as soon as the [1:06:02] historical society would look at their their reserves their balances and find out that they cannot continue as an [1:06:08] organization and I believe that's kind of why the urgency is to get an answer [1:06:13] yet this year on what direction they would be to to prevent that well I'm I'm [1:06:18] even meaning from like the state SI like if we were to give the Historical Society a million dollars a year does [1:06:25] that risk their eligibility to be a [1:06:31] 5013c thank you um as far as grants are concerned [1:06:37] that may be a consideration that the state would look at is what kind of other stiens are you getting um there is [1:06:43] a state statute related to how much a city can give to a historical society [1:06:48] and that is quite a large amount gets based off of uh I'm not sure if they still call it a mill rate for those that [1:06:54] know what a mill is but there's a certain percentage of your estimated market value is a maximum a city can [1:07:03] give to Historical Society by State Statute and we are well with under that so there wouldn't be any concerns [1:07:10] related to this amount of a state and either U making them ineligible for Grants or violating State Statute if [1:07:16] that helps answer your that answers my question thank you [1:07:23] I I actually um met with our new Dei um [1:07:28] with Thomas and we talked about things that I was concerned about and I did [1:07:34] bring up the Adina historical society and specifically the signage at Tupa Park which is so limited and it actually [1:07:43] when I read the statement that since it's founding in 1969 the society has sought to secure preserve and share [1:07:50] items relating to its earliest settlers this little oh I it is a [1:07:57] society primarily about settler Heritage and I think because of that we [1:08:06] end up with a situation where we have what we have so we have the Cahill [1:08:12] school which was there for the Irish immigrant Community from Cahill on land [1:08:19] that historically was not about Irish settlers so much as [1:08:26] um you know black Farmers black Educators and and so where my biggest [1:08:32] concern exist is really high level the vision and the focus of the historical [1:08:39] society and I was thinking you know when I brought it up one of the ideas that [1:08:44] kind of percolated was it would be or makes sense to have one or two of our commissions look at this and try to [1:08:51] figure out in terms of you know what the [1:08:57] historical society is going to Encompass or could that scope be bigger so that it [1:09:02] could be more inclusive and not and then as I look down um this document you know one of [1:09:09] the the big challenges is that uh there's disinterest public disinterest [1:09:15] in Pioneer history well it doesn't have to just only be Pioneer history and then [1:09:20] looking so I I'm a little reticent especially since I also just finished looking at all the things that we're not [1:09:27] going to fund and 80,000 could get night vision goggles for the police um it just [1:09:33] as hard for me to at this juncture ramp up funding without knowing that there's [1:09:42] going to be a concerted effort to broaden the scope I'm also concerned that we've had a series of executive [1:09:50] directors that have come from the exact same um source the small Department you [1:09:56] know over at the University of St Thomas and uh so I kind of feel like we're getting the same sort of vision and [1:10:06] those are my concerns with this but you know could we pause it and have our commission look at it um would a year [1:10:14] delay um be a big deal yeah thank you C [1:10:21] Rus I can't answer all those questions but I will start I will start and reflect in and if you want to entertain [1:10:27] comments from the the president of the organization um that is possible too but um I would agree I think when we looked [1:10:33] at the uh submitted uh strategy and operations plan and I not going to don't [1:10:39] have it forba them but is um there is that relation to maybe fatigue related to Pioneer history yeah um how also I do [1:10:46] know in their um um strategy plan was the reflection on indigenous population [1:10:53] prior to colonization and and that was also in there about an opportunity for the historical society and just to to [1:11:00] clarify so um the signs at Tupa Park are City own not Historical Society own so I [1:11:06] know we've had attempts to try to work on those but again about um who does that who leads that so that would be a a [1:11:12] city initiative to update those as well okay so that is good to know so we are we own those signs we've made some some [1:11:20] edits to them because there was some glaring items of inaccuracy [1:11:26] yeah um yeah so there were some glaring items in there but those are those are just to clarify those are not the [1:11:31] historical s signs but so content would come from the city staff and not the historical to date the Historical [1:11:38] Society has provided us with that copy okay Sarah worked on them most recently [1:11:43] with me in 2020 2020 2021 something like that yeah [1:11:50] it's just it's it's hard to go over and look at those signs [1:11:55] you know and you think about Ellen yansy who started a PTA and she's not there you know and it just [1:12:02] is challenging um and to your other question about a Year's delay I think [1:12:08] that would impact this historical society's long-term viability but if we [1:12:13] don't put okay but then see I just feel like if we go ahead and [1:12:20] just grant more money we're going to keep seeing the same thing and we're not [1:12:26] going to get a broader scope we're not going to get signage that's inclusive [1:12:32] we're we're going to keep getting the same kind of vision yeah I thought it had had a [1:12:38] pretty broad scope I think about when I think about maybe what the the mission hasn't aligned with their actual work [1:12:44] necessarily but they've had they've had exhibitions on the saltdale mall they've [1:12:50] had exhibitions on the first hockey team that won the state hockey championship they history of hockey [1:12:56] and so I know the things that I've been over there to look at that they've worked [1:13:01] on uh don't just cover that Pioneer period they they come all the way [1:13:08] forward and again I don't want to speak for the society but I think when there's a reflection upon There's an opportunity [1:13:13] to tell the indigenous story I think that does take um initiative and um uh [1:13:20] time to then go tell that story and pull that together and I think where the the [1:13:25] board struggles right now is on their identity related to working board oversight board volunteer board and who [1:13:33] can actually help them do that work I think as part of this if there are items that you would say try to negotiate into [1:13:40] an agreement you know that to reflect upon that it might be would City staff [1:13:45] um participate in the interviews to help on the selection uh one thing I notice in working with our commissions is [1:13:53] student Commissioners have a mendous amount of effort and assistance you know the ones that you're appointing to to [1:13:59] all of those they like to roll up their sleeves and work right and I think a lot of times pulling off an event and a [1:14:05] speaker does take work so is there an opportunity to say related to try to negotiate for governance to say you know [1:14:12] our appointment of student commissioner is important um to help them relay that [1:14:18] variety of story and also help on the the work delivery as well and I don't maybe with that because I know you also [1:14:24] did a um exhibit on year books and was the windigo [1:14:31] native um deity addressed in that or was wind [1:14:38] too not even cuz we used that Anisha spirit for the name of our yearbook that [1:14:45] I do not believe that that was included so it's not only I mean it's I mean [1:14:53] contemporary and relative atively recent so it's it's not just finding a [1:15:01] native topic and putting money towards it but it's also viewing topics that are being covered in [1:15:09] a way that's inclusive to so I have a different question I read [1:15:17] this as the Historical Society sees the opportunity if they can get some stability to start having programs that [1:15:25] will generate revenue is that did I read that correctly yes is that we're looking [1:15:30] at this as a big opportunity for us to make some of the [1:15:35] changes that have been needed for probably longer than I've been involved [1:15:44] in the board of directors so so we really are looking at this okay what can we do if we are able to get this funding [1:15:51] to make us more relevant to the community to address the needs and the [1:15:56] the current um interests of the community and also kind of doing the right thing with the addressing the [1:16:02] Native American um settlement here prior [1:16:08] to Pioneers to address the yansy family [1:16:14] and all the the black settlers who really had a strong impact on our community as well and um we had our [1:16:22] board meeting last night and we were talking with we have an interim executive director right now and she's putting together plans um to kind of re [1:16:30] revamp our um existing permanent exhibit which if anybody has [1:16:37] been there in the past couple of years you can see that it's truly showing its [1:16:43] age and in the new exhibit it would address a little bit more of our um [1:16:52] history Beyond settlement so follow up on member risser's [1:16:58] questions um am I uh and actually I'll address [1:17:03] this to you Julie um are you suggesting that the city money would come with um [1:17:11] uh requirements to have to work with maybe with our Dei director to to help [1:17:17] um ensure that that happens um in the thing so come with strings attached I [1:17:23] couldn't think of the phrase um so that the money would come with some strings attached to address our values [1:17:29] viewfinder for example um that we have a tool in place to help do that um and is [1:17:36] that kind of what you're suggesting I I hadn't gotten that far but I appreciate you saying that I think it's a really [1:17:42] good idea I suest and also I think I think that really should be part of it [1:17:49] um yeah expanding the scope and being well just put some put some [1:17:55] strings attached to the money yeah possibly spots on the board but I think it is true after the analysis you've [1:18:02] gone through that if we don't do something subsume them into the park and rec department in some form of fashion [1:18:07] or let them stand the way they are and help fund them for a while they they get up and going or HR police [1:18:15] right it will so if we think it's important we got it correct me I think that's our concern [1:18:23] basically is uh trying to ensure Vitality because that first phase of [1:18:28] just what do we do with a collection that we're required to get rid of things [1:18:34] after 3 years 5 years 10 years that is part of 's history that the reason the [1:18:39] Historic Society wants to keep them is they provide value to the community long term and if we step in and Sharon has [1:18:46] taught us well we might need to get rid of some things that are older than 10 years and that's a lot of history so um [1:18:51] so I think it's about that vitality and in trying to ensure success for people that want to specialize and give back in [1:18:56] this community and they you're only proposing to do it through 27 correct [1:19:02] and then there'll be some sort of period just like when we have the Human Services Task Force where there' be an [1:19:08] opportunity to reflect on whatever that progress has been made or [1:19:13] expectations part of what the site put together was opportunities for measurement and that was the ability to [1:19:19] start getting these things and then what um as the conversation we had with them is is your first idea might be just here [1:19:26] are the things we want to measure we don't know what the measurement will be what the correct um capacity or [1:19:32] attendance or visits might be but we want to start actually measuring so getting those metrics in place as part [1:19:38] of this so I think for me I I don't know that if you were to ask [1:19:45] me is it worth $100,000 right now that I could say yes but I am willing to do [1:19:52] this for 2 or 3 years and build out what some of those metrics are and really make that analysis and I [1:19:59] was going back to kind of the vision statement that's in here and some of the mission components but fostering a [1:20:05] strong sense of community knowledge and pride is it let's compare the ROI like is there any other way that we can [1:20:12] foster that sense of community knowledge and pride for $100,000 that might be [1:20:17] more beneficial but that's kind of the angle that I would want to take on the data um but I think at this point I'm [1:20:24] comfortable was just a couple of years one another quick idea um if [1:20:31] funding is going to Sunset that's a good fundraiser we're going to lose our funding you got to give us money [1:20:40] seriously okay so again we're not asking for a decision tonight but just more is there a general direction and I think [1:20:47] what we're just to summize a little bit is continue to proceed down that path look at some of the um agreements or [1:20:56] things that we can build into what would be a long-term service contract long-term meaning for the three years um [1:21:02] service contract for the city and so excited to work together for me I'm with I'm with her I'm with her I [1:21:13] came thanks for the hard work you've done on this well thank you so much for the opportunity to to just present this [1:21:20] today so we really appreciate it Greg [1:21:25] oh yeah if you know Greg had to come on the heels of a CIP so yes thank you very much thank [1:21:34] please stand the jour