[9:54] okay [9:54] we are back live thank you for joining [9:57] us again community and board members and [9:59] administrative members [10:01] [Music] [10:02] um we are back in our [10:06] um action section of the agenda [10:09] um we have a motion to end at 10 20. so [10:12] we have 20 minutes to finish these last [10:14] two things [10:15] um dive a motion to approve policies 401 [10:18] 402 [10:18] 403 404 and 405. so moved [10:22] second okay okay well now turn it over [10:25] to [10:26] uh board member michelson again um for [10:28] further information or explanation about [10:30] these policies [10:31] we have five policies that came through [10:34] on our sequence of policies to review in [10:38] the 400 series [10:39] these four policies have very minimal [10:42] changes [10:43] grammar changes wording changes [10:47] i recommend that we approve them [10:54] and chair allenberg if you'd like i can [10:56] break down the five and list them [10:59] no thank you [10:59] [Music] [11:04] does anyone have any questions or [11:05] comments about these five policies [11:08] we will now vote by roll call on [11:10] policies 401 402 403 404 and 405. [11:19] hi hi [11:22] jones hi michaelson [11:26] hi [11:31] [Music] [11:32] uh policies 401 402 434 and 405 are [11:36] approved [11:37] dive a motion to approve policy 601 so [11:40] moved [11:45] [Music] [11:46] again we have a policy that we um [11:48] reviewed last [11:50] month in fact we had a robust discussion [11:52] on it last month we've had a number of [11:53] robust discussions on it and [11:56] this is policy 601 which relates to [11:59] curriculum in edina schools there's a [12:02] number of [12:03] updates to the language [12:07] to key dates and [12:10] there's substantive changes too i think [12:13] we're all familiar with it we can [12:16] a little bit if we'd like um and [12:20] so ellen yeah i i have a proposed [12:24] amendment to 601 that i walked in i [12:26] believe uh [12:27] john can um present it to the board [12:33] are you making an amendment yeah i'd [12:35] like to propose an amendment [12:38] to 601 [12:44] so i guess we'll need to have a second [12:46] yeah does someone want to second the [12:48] amendment [12:48] i'll second it [13:00] to add this verbiage to the uh um [13:03] policy 601 um and i would be adding it [13:07] i'm proposing to add it to [13:10] um it looks like there's a error in the [13:12] um [13:13] in the numbering system [13:16] on section number four um it [13:20] it starts with a b c d e and then it [13:23] um i would be adding it to what the [13:25] second b [13:26] is on section four [13:28] [Music] [13:31] i think we need a moment here to read it [13:34] [Music] [13:35] and um and i'll just say what it is i'm [13:37] just putting into words [13:40] what uh the administration has assured [13:42] the board [13:43] several times that they have no plans to [13:46] eliminate the enriched classes currently [13:48] offered in the middle schools [13:50] so that just puts that assurance [13:53] into words but it puts it into words in [13:57] the format [13:58] of the k-12 talent framework [14:07] [Music] [14:32] so those courses listed on the bottom [14:34] are all the courses we currently offer [14:36] enriched courses at in um [14:39] in our secondary in middle schools [14:43] and um at the last meet at the last [14:46] meeting where the [14:47] administration uh spoke to us about [14:50] their plans they said that they had no [14:53] plans [14:53] and they assured us that we were going [14:55] to be able to keep our [14:57] enriched classes and i am looking at the [15:00] talent [15:00] framework and um so under the talent [15:04] framework [15:05] all of that all that i am stating is [15:08] what's in the talent framework [15:12] under accelerated do any board members [15:15] have any comments about the [15:17] proposed amendment [15:21] so i'm not [15:24] particularly enamored of the process of [15:27] making an amendment at the last second [15:29] i think that the board has shown [15:32] that it's never a great idea to at the [15:35] last minute make a change and then adopt [15:38] it [15:39] so the normal process would be if [15:40] there's a [15:44] policy it would go through policy [15:46] committee who would get input from [15:48] administration [15:50] this policy has been subject to [15:52] discussion for months [15:54] and personally i'm not in favor of [15:57] making a last-minute change [15:59] i have no issue with approving 601 and [16:02] then [16:03] having this go to policy for a separate [16:06] review [16:07] because i'm not also tied to every [16:10] policy has to follow a specific [16:14] order of review if there is cause for [16:17] deviating from it [16:18] but i'm not interested in making a last [16:20] second change and trying to read [16:22] at 10 o'clock at night and decide if [16:25] that's appropriate [16:26] and to do so without our process being [16:29] followed which again is [16:30] through policy committee input from [16:32] administration [16:33] so that's my view [16:35] [Music] [16:41] so what the reason that i'm i'm i'm [16:44] asking you to do this [16:45] is either you could approve this which [16:48] we'll [16:49] just put into policy this is exactly [16:52] this is exactly what we are currently [16:55] offering [16:56] it's not going to cost the district any [16:57] more money it's just saying [17:00] yes in fact we mean what we say [17:04] when we say we are assuring you that [17:06] we're not going to change [17:08] our um enriched courses [17:11] so i'm i don't know really [17:14] lenny why you would think that i mean [17:17] you can read it it's pretty [17:18] straightforward [17:21] it's not hard it's as straightforward as [17:25] policy language can be unless you wanted [17:28] to take that out and just say [17:30] we will continue to offer enriched [17:32] classes [17:34] but that's not exactly what the k-12 [17:38] talent development framework does [17:42] so i'm going to give the board members [17:44] that [17:45] says this is your sure um janie do you [17:48] want to speak [17:50] um yeah i think um [17:53] so i have um a few concerns about this [17:57] and [17:57] i think the main one is in setting [17:59] precedent that we are calling out [18:01] one particular group of students and [18:04] this was the same issue i had with [18:06] the previous iteration of this as if we [18:10] are calling out one specific subset of [18:12] students and [18:14] kind of making a promise if you will um [18:17] without really understanding that at any [18:19] given time [18:21] whether it be our finances our resources [18:23] our teacher capacity our [18:24] room our classroom capacity especially [18:27] now with everything we have going on [18:30] i am really hesitant to call out and [18:33] make promises without understanding [18:35] at any given time what the full scope of [18:37] our district looks like [18:39] um i don't see us having a [18:42] a paragraph in there about ensuring that [18:44] we're going to have [18:46] you know remedial level or introduction [18:49] to math or reading in the middle schools [18:52] i mean those are classes that we offer [18:55] um [18:56] i'm just hesitant to really call out and [18:58] make [19:00] something so set in stone and create [19:02] that precedent [19:03] so while i agree that [19:07] there have been conversations that we [19:08] are not [19:12] or the classes that we have now i'm [19:14] extremely hesitant to put this [19:16] into policy so i'm just going to share [19:19] that as my feedback [19:22] so we about have about two more minutes [19:24] to talk about this amendment and then we [19:25] need to [19:26] talk about the policy in general um [19:29] but i share lenny's concern from a [19:31] process perspective [19:32] and then my concern about this amendment [19:34] is ironically my [19:35] same concern about the previous policy [19:40] which [19:40] i find it actually limiting um [19:44] i think that we should have [19:45] differentiation for [19:47] grades six through eight in social [19:49] studies and [19:51] that was my concern about the previous [19:54] thing when we spell out in policies [19:56] specifics like this [19:57] we're limiting what our teaching and [20:00] learning can do what our teachers can do [20:03] it confuses me why we do it for middle [20:06] school and i think parents are going to [20:08] say why aren't you doing it for [20:09] elementary school [20:10] and high school i just don't think from [20:12] a process perspective it makes sense to [20:13] do this [20:14] at the 11th hour and i and why are we [20:18] from a um [20:21] from a talent development perspective [20:24] it's [20:24] [Music] [20:26] all sorts of different ways you can [20:27] develop talent and we're only [20:29] pulling these classes out it to me [20:32] it's problematic um are there any other [20:36] comments or do we want to vote on this [20:39] amendment adding this amendment [20:42] i won't make a comment other than to say [20:44] that i i like it [20:45] and i could go with it [20:48] um i just want to make a comment um i [20:52] am not in support of this i think one of [20:54] the things and this goes to [20:56] our conversation i know about the whole [20:58] policy was that [20:59] our job is to make sure that we're [21:01] looking at all policy through multiple [21:03] perspectives and i just want to be very [21:05] clear [21:06] advanced academics is actually growing [21:09] with the talent development framework [21:11] that's from k to 12. and what [21:14] what i'm what is bothersome about this [21:16] amendment is the language in here [21:18] is an interpretation that there's a [21:21] sentence in here that's actually [21:23] not it's very opinionated about [21:25] differentiated instruction [21:27] and i have i have concerns that this [21:30] would be brought in because i think it's [21:32] setting a narrative that somehow the [21:34] talent development framework is taking [21:36] away [21:37] academic from uh [21:40] advanced academics in edina public [21:42] schools that is not happening [21:45] development framework actually expands [21:48] it gives [21:48] more opportunities for students [21:50] including more rigor [21:52] and this has been and what was not my [21:54] opinion this has been from the data [21:56] and the input from our community mcgt [21:59] the district advisory council that was [22:02] um [22:02] presented the talent development [22:04] framework last year [22:06] um our teachers are principals and so [22:09] i find this very limiting and so um [22:12] i just i'm ready to move on [22:16] so well i i wanna i wanna um if i'm the [22:19] only one is everybody else [22:20] commented i just this is not [22:24] a limiting because it can [22:27] add it can be more than this [22:30] but the policy that is written [22:33] and the framework is more they are [22:36] they are not it is not at all clear [22:40] what we are providing [22:42] [Music] [22:44] so if you look at the new wording [22:48] the talent development framework is just [22:50] they are just [22:52] barely definitions it is not a [22:55] commitment by the district [22:57] to provide anything not anything to [23:00] young scholars this was one of my [23:02] biggest points that i made [23:04] back in december it does not support [23:08] any with words and action [23:13] and it does not at all [23:16] [Music] [23:17] protect the courses that we currently [23:20] have [23:22] and so i think that's a difference of [23:24] opinion that we're just going to have to [23:25] agree to disagree on [23:26] and i think we need to vote you have [23:30] you have a table we need to vote on so [23:33] sarah i'm going to ask you to do a roll [23:35] call vote for the motion for this [23:37] amendment on the table [23:41] which is adding this verbiage to the [23:43] policy [23:45] okay alan berg no [23:48] fox news green [23:52] live jones i [23:56] michaelson aye [23:59] shaw nay wallin treatment [24:04] so the motion to add the uh amended [24:07] language to the policy [24:09] um is not approved now we have a motion [24:12] on the table to actually approve policy [24:14] system one itself we also have only five [24:17] more minutes [24:18] to finish the board meeting um so are [24:20] there any comments on policy 601 [24:28] [Music] [24:30] yes and i will just make i will just [24:31] make two two comments and i want other [24:33] people to [24:35] that i do support this i think it offers [24:38] multiple pathways for multiple types of [24:40] advancement for multiple learners [24:42] which was my concern before um [24:46] i think that it also from a best [24:49] practice perspective [24:50] going to actually something that you [24:52] just mentioned ellen i think that our [24:54] board policy should create conditions [24:56] for student success at our district but [24:58] not dictate operational and teaching [25:00] practices [25:02] and that's what the last policy did it [25:04] dictated [25:05] teaching practices this this [25:08] actually sets parameters to set our [25:10] students up for success [25:12] to me that's what strategic governance [25:14] is um [25:15] anytime you have a policy that you're [25:17] going to have to update every time we [25:18] have a new course catalog coming out [25:20] i think you've set up a pretty um [25:23] questionable policy [25:24] and i'll move on to anyone else that has [25:25] any comments that they want to make [25:32] [Music] [25:35] i have a couple comments um [25:39] i think of anything that has [25:43] happened recently is the reality that [25:46] edina is not living in a vacuum [25:50] and we will either accept the fact that [25:52] we're meeting the needs of our students [25:54] by providing them course offerings that [25:58] are competitive with [26:00] our nearest neighbors and by [26:03] offering course options that [26:07] are attractive to their students and [26:09] their venues [26:11] and also [26:15] acknowledge that direct instruction [26:19] is incredibly important to all of our [26:22] students [26:23] and that that is where they can find [26:25] engagement and challenge [26:27] and so i am disappointed [26:31] in this policy i will not support it [26:35] because it is unclear and it does not [26:38] and it [26:39] absolutely does not um [26:46] show that the people in our community [26:50] that we really mean what we say that we [26:52] are going to support [26:53] all students janie [26:57] so my take is a little bit different on [26:59] this ellen and that is that [27:01] i applaud our district for taking an [27:03] approach like this [27:04] because what i feel and have felt so [27:07] strongly about [27:08] is that more students can see themselves [27:11] in this policy [27:13] versus a small number of students that [27:15] could have seen themselves in a more [27:16] restrictive policy [27:18] um i happen to have some of them living [27:21] in my home [27:22] um so maybe i take this very personally [27:26] our schools are meant to help all [27:29] students and not just some [27:31] and our schools are meant to engage and [27:34] enrich [27:35] and ignite passion for learning in all [27:37] students and not just some and so i [27:40] applaud [27:41] this ability to say [27:44] our our framework our approach is going [27:47] to be [27:48] to try to find that in more than than [27:50] just a small number of students so [27:53] i'm grateful to the work that's been [27:55] done on this [27:57] lenny so we've had this discussion many [28:00] times my goal is to try to meet the move [28:04] of our students including those who are [28:06] looking for [28:07] more advanced academics as i've said [28:10] before i think there are multiple ways [28:12] to do that including for example [28:13] compacted classes that never seem to get [28:16] mentioned in any of these proposed [28:17] amendments but i think the compacted [28:19] classes are [28:20] a great way to meet students needs and [28:23] so i think we need to [28:26] adopt the policy and then pay attention [28:29] to [28:30] what we do as a district and what we [28:32] have born as a district [28:34] is to offer enrich classes offer [28:36] contracted classes [28:38] and look for ways to expand the [28:40] opportunities for all of our students [28:43] thank you lenny uh we'll now vote by [28:45] roll call to approve [28:47] um policy 601 [28:53] hi fox hi green [28:57] hi jones no [29:00] michaelson name shaw [29:08] shaw oh i [29:14] policy 601 is approved um we've run out [29:17] of time for any leadership or committee [29:19] updates [29:20] so with that uh this meeting is [29:22] adjourned [29:24] thank you everyone our next meeting is [29:27] tuesday [29:28] next tuesday we have a work session if [29:29] you