[0:01] [Music] very good you well good afternoon everybody and thanks for being with us [0:06] we're going to go around the table introduce ourselves shortly here uh but the first thing I'm going to do is call the uh meeting of the city council for [0:14] its work session together here on Tuesday July 16 2024 5:34 p.m. and I'm [0:20] going to ask our Co nson to call the role for the council member council member Agy here council member Jackson [0:27] here council member Pierce here counc m sir here may here uh and we've got a [0:33] couple things we're working on tonight um we got a Community Health commission update looking at work plan and then um [0:41] we're going to have a little cannabis update and little conversation around that which direction we want to head so [0:50] um where's Jeff is he oh there he is right there where he should be anything [0:56] you want to start out with from an introductory uh Noe just our chair is absent she's in high Y think doing her [1:04] daughter is adopting a child so she's helping with that so Nick is our vice chair he will be taking the presentation [1:10] tonight okay good let's let's introduce ourselves again let's Caroline why don't you start we'll go that way Carn Jackson [1:16] Council Julie rer councel Jeff Brown U staff Le Matt Gil John Health commission [1:23] uh Nick Madison Community Health commission Sharon Allison City cler Tracy Nelson Health commission Scott NE [1:28] and city manager K AG Council James Pierce councel Kim huin [1:34] Council billor development Louis Community Development [1:40] coordinator Jack Brooksbank city attorney's office Zoe Johnson City management [1:45] fellow Finance director assist [1:51] maner it hi I'm Jennifer Ben I'm [1:58] director thank you or order Nick Nick you can take it away yeah um so we have [2:03] about time check about 25 minutes or so correct okay um so thank you for your [2:09] time today what we wanted to try to focus our conversation around is is kind of three sets of Concepts the first [2:15] concept being what have we been working on in 2024 that we've seen success with um and that we want to talk about [2:21] continuing um some other Fork that will carry forward in 2025 as well um we have [2:27] some new ideas for 2025 for discussion uh we'll touch on that second and then um last but not least some broader um [2:34] kind of you know aspects around gambling marijuana um and some conversation [2:39] around neighborhood councils so um starting off with what we've been doing in 2024 that we hope to carry forward um [2:46] we had a lot of discussion and a lot of great feedback from Council and others involved with the um Declaration of uh [2:53] or proclaiming a public health emergency around racism um with the recent arrival [3:00] of our de Andi coordinator here at the city of Vina we're going to carry that work item forward in 2025 to partner and [3:08] strategize with them directly um and make sure that it incorporates the input [3:13] and insights in some of the processes that they're planning to introduce as well um so we would probably continue [3:20] that in our 2025 work plan or 2024 work plan the rest of this year probably Dash [3:27] 2025 um and uh make sure that that is all kind of in alignment and working in [3:34] coordination rather than a oneoff type of type project there feedback uh [3:40] concerns with that approach So when you say you're working with them does that include the HR the Human Rights [3:47] Commission or who are who are them the um I's Thomas Thomas yeah Thomas um we [3:54] have I don't think we've had any specific coordination with them we originally were going to work with them and then they kind of backed away so we [4:01] took it now we're understanding that maybe they will be want to be back in So Human Rights Commission yeah human [4:07] rights sorry that's the they there all right thank you so possibly U both the the coordination as well as the humor [4:14] commission just making sure we're not doing kind of a scattershot approach as a city so um taking our time and [4:20] coordinating all of the moving pieces with those groups perfect thank you the feedback [4:26] thoughts um so on that if it's too early to answer this question it's fine the [4:32] way I but can someone just kind of give a high level synopsis [4:38] of what the intent is behind this it's a good question [4:44] um take a shot here I can graft as well well I think between all of us we may right yeah yeah I mean we drafted a one [4:52] of the um as a subcommittee we drafted a stance and a potential de ation and some [5:00] different pieces um and did a fair amount of work on that the question really became one [5:06] then of what does it really what what's the follow on and how much work would it be from a city [5:12] perspective and where do we go from here which is why when the Dei person was going to come on board we said okay [5:18] let's hold off and have the Dei person take a look at it which he did and so that's where we're trying to WR size it [5:24] right now to to make sure so we actually have done a fair amount and he's got some sounds like some pretty strong [5:30] ideas about what he wants to do so again we're just trying to make sure that we're not cross Purpose with one another [5:35] it was primarily a research item in 20 report um so we took uh other examples [5:40] from either municipalities counties um who have done something similar and just kind of draft verbiage and language the [5:48] actionability and followup is exactly where we want to make sure we take our time and coordinate with both HR the [5:55] Human Rights Commission and the dni coordinator that sounds good I so I I've read content from other [6:03] municipalities in just the language of saying it's a health [6:09] emergency no matter what your preface is for that then the community should [6:15] expect if it's in a health emergency we should be doing something about it yeah [6:21] um so rather than just a declaration or what have you I think if we stick with [6:27] that um title then we are going to have to be pretty specific about what we're [6:32] doing and that was kind of our feeling as well because we just didn't want to be Hollow words because there were a lot [6:38] of places that did that and in our research um that just didn't seem to really make any sense it's you better [6:44] off not doing anything then um another item that we had [6:51] substantial success in in 202 four yeah April um was an event was held in [6:56] partnership with an organization called Marita's table um around and and it's a it's um not novel it's you know we think [7:04] back to like when I was gr like you'd have like a school ice cream social or a neighborhood or Community event where [7:10] you meet citizens of your C of your city that are in different age groups um [7:16] social economic classes just a kind of a a let's get together and get to know each other type of event um very [7:23] successful in 2024 there was one event in April I think it was the second week of April um we were able to test into [7:29] Jeff keep me honest here a shortterm use of funds for this um we would like to [7:37] try to do at least one event in either the rest of 2024 D [7:43] 2025 um but we do need to be conscious of where the funding exists for this um [7:48] other cities in the Metro have done this as well with similar results um we find [7:54] that it you know they I think it's a common statistic that knowing your neighbors impacts your happiness where [8:00] you live bigger than anything else um so we'll talk we'll come back to the neighborhoods in a second here but um we [8:07] would really like to continue the community connectedness um it's a really important [8:12] way to feel welcome to feel safe to know who to call if an emergency occurs um so I [8:19] think we call it Community connectedness I believe yeah and it kind of grew out of if you all remember there was that [8:24] whole thing of postco social is isolation and we were struggling with that mly for a couple years like what do [8:31] you do with that and this is kind of where we landed and it seems like it's all coalescing around this idea of [8:36] building stronger communities is really the way that you um one of the very effective ways to fight that isolation [8:43] so out of the host but in a very um accessible public location um we host [8:50] with the senior theor Senior Center um so people know where it is plenty of [8:55] parking accessible um I would assume if we um to another one it would be larger [9:01] um in a very good way these things tend to grow Word of Mouth um fact just for a sec yeah um we had [9:09] about 70 people there um everything from little kids because we they encourag little children to come and so there was [9:15] a play area for little kids up until we had some people in their 80s and it was an incredibly so age diverse and um [9:23] racially really diverse and that was the thing that really struck me is if you looked at the room the older people [9:29] tended to skew white but the younger population was incredibly diverse and it [9:36] was um really really heartening and that was one of the things they really brought out was you know that that's the [9:42] the the difference we're seeing in communities and that's how you have to kind of approach communities is we're not we have to appreciate and celebrate [9:50] that diversity so um our next set of uh [9:58] convers talked about r as table um you know we've kind of thought about we as a Community Health commission and in [10:04] public health and in general Healthcare you deal with problems um and so just an idea and and maybe not for this year or [10:11] other years is there a you know um interest or something we should research [10:17] around advertising our city as a good place to live a healthy place to live um [10:24] you know you think about proper like Tree City USA as a badge you have for [10:30] investing in tree cover and stuff like that um is that something you know the [10:35] rather than solving problems or fixing broken things um is should the [10:40] commission explore look into you know what makes you good Community to live in [10:48] what makes Idina a healthy in the non-clinical sense um the community [10:54] health um you know what is that something that's worthy of um doesn't have to be a massive marketing campaign [11:01] or anything like that but um some sort of positive project or [11:06] something like that I love that idea we were go ahead G well I'm gonna tap on [11:12] you because you you and Scott are on the um Chamber of Commerce and the former president of the chamber really saw [11:19] Edina as a wellness place and so they've got research on that um and then I guess [11:28] I talk it over to you Jennifer um know [11:34] if we think of ourselves as a Wellness Community is that a Communications thing [11:40] or is it a culture thing or the marketing Outreach thing okay I mean I [11:46] think it's we want to celebrate all the things that are great about UD I do know [11:51] that Bloomington Public Health is working on an initiative um a similar initiative [11:57] focused on um breaking down isolation and improving mental health outcomes in [12:03] the three communities and that will be a focus of our work in this area in [12:08] the coming months and year okay great thank you that's good to know yeah I love that idea but I assume we would be [12:17] going through some kind of nationally recognized assessment to be able to say [12:23] e is being recognized as a healthy destination or whatever it is so I don't [12:28] know what those vehicles are but as long as we're doing that I think it makes [12:34] sense but then I also follow up with the comment I started with if we're doing [12:40] that then areas where we have gaps the community should expect that we're going [12:45] to have action plans around those too yeah that's really important feedback is actionability out of um findings let's [12:54] say feedback or concerns with that a ARP had program several years ago maybe a [13:00] decade ago now kind of a healthy cities program and we were recognized at that point in time [13:07] uh by them as a healthy city in Minnesota and then we did a project with Blue Cross Blue Shield that was built [13:14] around wellness and well-being and um it was a pilot for them and it just kind of [13:21] fizzled out but there was a there was a couple years there where we had a lot of [13:27] activity around health and wellbeing so it's it's something that I think there and then we've got this health and [13:33] all policies proposition you know so to talk about us in some form or fashion [13:40] and Market the the health and well-being of our community it's not a bad thing [13:45] some you has a research work plan item to start with to kind of assess the landscape of this kind of uh Wellness [13:53] ranking not rankings but you know kind of Badges of Honor or things to advertise and Market great I would also [14:00] want to know um I like the idea of like that positive Spin and and having that [14:05] be a component but what's the goal what do we want to get out of it or what's [14:11] the intention of doing something like that I think should be one of the northstars as you're thinking about it yeah I think the call out of where we [14:19] have opportunities and and you sometimes having either an internal assessment or an external [14:24] assessment there's things we probably all would say like think we great um but we may all have blind spots and so we [14:31] will maybe do some research on here's an assessment and here's what they're looking at here's other internal tools [14:37] and how we can look at quality of life Etc and then um making sure we have [14:43] actionable work plan items in future years might be a good outcome from this as well another resource might be the [14:50] quality of life survey because a lot of questions on there you know are nationally asked yeah so we we do use [14:57] that and look at that dashboard almost every meeting lately um and so yeah [15:03] it'll be great I don't know if there's opportunity around enina Parks but also [15:09] just thinking about you know stats someone told me something and I can't [15:15] remember exactly what it was but every single Edina home is X you know distance [15:20] or less from an Edina Park you know so just biking walking getting you know [15:26] underscoring the viability of that and it would also provide opportunities um to James's point about [15:33] you know what we would need to do to make that infrastructure stronger to so I don't know yeah absolutely yeah [15:41] things within the city's purview that an impact in the quality of life yeah great [15:47] so we what 10 minutes left this is a little more open-ended um you know one thing we've as a council or commission [15:54] uh looked into and trying to kind of navigate a little bit is you know I just mentioned the stat about KN knowing your [16:00] neighbors and and how much that impacts your satisfaction where you live um [16:06] interest in council's feedback around engaging the neighborhoods um as part of [16:12] some of either the marketing or distribution and dissemination of let's say we do another event where we get [16:19] folks together um supportive um is that maybe not the right use of the [16:25] neighborhood groups but I'm curious if on plus feedback on maybe a closer [16:30] engagement or some sort of formal communication we have with them and if I [16:36] can jump in one of the one of the um reasons we kind of were thinking that is one of the event we did with Marita's table was wonderful but we didn't want [16:42] it to be a oneand done we want to build that muscle within the community and that's where we started talking about [16:47] well gee this is would really be great at the neighborhood level because let's face it we all know our or most of us know our neighbors our neighbors are [16:53] where we coales not that the holy the whole Community isn't viable as well but it really kind of starts right there and [17:00] so trying to build out of you know what we did in the isolationism get to know your neighbor that's really where it's [17:06] impactful and so that's where we kind of started going down and and we know that there are some really strong [17:11] neighborhood associations and then there's some neighborhoods that don't have anybody and so we talked about you know maybe we take that on as like that [17:19] next step sure I like that yeah okay I like [17:25] that as a way to try to more hyper localize that type [17:32] of Engagement I'm not as excited about it as a [17:38] communication mechanism for something that's more large and [17:43] Citywide reason being though the people who are already [17:48] engaged within their neighborhood association and some ways have those [17:53] ties and I would see if we're doing something more CommunityWide it's about engaging and bringing out people that [17:59] might not have as many of those ties um and I just I worry about I think [18:06] you said 70 people at the the last kind of dinner whatever the engagement was um [18:12] there's almost like a Tipping Point of getting too large and not being able to have that same desired outcome and so I [18:19] worry about just like if everyone from you know Pamela Park neighborhood came out it might not have that same desired [18:26] to factor it might be overwhelming from like a race perspective at an event like that um so I think just absolutely love [18:33] it as an idea um but just be intentional and thoughtful and and what would be the impacts of doing that and I think two [18:40] points that are really important about that is I think from a cultural diversity perspective we're going to get we're going to not get that the [18:46] neighborhood level which is actually okay because people will tend to feel more comfortable in their neighborhood [18:51] environment but we need to bring that up in the bigger environment so you got to there's there's that you know ying-yang [18:58] that that how we have to work together so I think that that is really important kind so there are when we are [19:05] engaging at the neighborhood level that's the right time to work with those groups but when we are trying to as a [19:11] city or a larger Community engage just pushing Communications out through them is not particularly it's it it's not [19:18] solving something that can be solved in a probably better way yeah I think so and and maybe if [19:24] it's a part of like a much larger communication strategy and it's just another out output sure um but I it [19:32] wouldn't be my first method I think there yeah there are the we we we did [19:38] some research and the disparity there is pretty big gap between the most coordinated wellmaintained neighborhoods [19:46] and then there's others where there's not contact information and so I think we would want to maintain some level of [19:51] you know you're going to hear it five times and then one other person might only hear it once um so that's a great [19:57] feedback um and and then last but not least I know there's a lot of conversation about it but um we are in [20:02] an age of legalizing vices and many things in Minnesota and so I know [20:08] there's a lot of discussion and a lot of legal aspects to the marijuana law but I [20:13] also like I think we've had a discussion as things have continually gone is you know pretty certainly in 2024 probably [20:20] in 2025 most forms of gambling will be legal in the state of Minnesota um [20:26] sports betting I guess I would say and so is there wait and see direction from [20:31] console towards the commission um any sort of keep an eye on it I know it's [20:37] not let not get ahead of or create opportunities that don't exist yet but [20:42] it was something that came up in our discussions well it's interesting um particularly with the Cannabis I did do [20:49] some research online and I believe there's three states Alaska Maine and now I forget the other one that have a [20:56] warning on cannabis products that exceed the basic don't drive um warning and I [21:03] know in Minnesota there really wasn't much to that label and I've received [21:11] weird feedback from well people respond differently but I have wondered you know could we as a [21:17] municipality have some kind of signage indicating you know I I don't know if we [21:24] could get a message on products but you know a flyer that would have to go into [21:31] I I have no idea but it I would be curious to find out what you might learn from that by looking into that but I I'm [21:38] not directing you but I just that's sort of what I that's been in my head kind I [21:43] know like in Europe tobacco has very different labeling than it does in America for like something like that [21:50] right and Ireland now puts warnings about cancer on their alcoholic beverages they're the one country that [21:57] does that and and it really is a serious connection between Cancer and alcohol so [22:05] there's opportunities so I'm gonna jump on member Pierce's bandwagon here and say [22:12] if you do that uh what what what is the expected outcome and and I'm thinking in [22:18] terms of what tools do we currently have that could help people address gambling right so are we looking would it require [22:27] you know a whole new set of steps St and rules and everything so I guess maybe just a research to say what have other [22:33] communities done um I think that's where we would try to aim for as a commission [22:38] and and it's like we don't know where legislation will go in the next you know 24 months obviously but um the [22:45] discussions in the past session made it clear they're moving towards this and so um a research type of work plan item [22:50] would be exactly what I think the commission would be looking for um because I think that so far you know the [22:57] way the state has tackled marijuana has been substantially controlling in what [23:02] municipalities can and can't do um and it'll be interesting to see if they take that approach with gambling as well [23:09] so when I was a kid they legalized horse racing in Iowa you will remember that [23:16] but a big part of that was there was a strong um uh Dutch reform community in [23:22] Iowa and they said absolutely we will not vote for this unless there's a strong you know support for Gamble [23:29] who get addicted and so I know I I don't know what that looked like and that's a state level not a city level but kind of [23:35] what just for a framework of you know what people have done and it's in the scope of Community Health you know we're [23:41] we're looking at these opportunities as how does Comm how [23:47] can Community Health as a commission or as a part of the city minimize the negative impacts um [23:54] that's kind of our role at least that's what we're trying to and so with medical or me marijuana it's you know within the [24:00] scope of a municipality and within the smoke of a Community Health commission and a [24:06] municipality what can we do to make sure that people have healthy long lives with [24:12] or without these choices so one other thing I saw opioids on your list y [24:18] you're getting two new student Commissioners well one new and one renewed um when we heard from the [24:24] sheriff she said kids are telling her that the adults in their lives aren't talking about the danger of [24:30] opioids and I shared that with the school district but I'm sharing that with you you're going to have a couple [24:35] student Commissioners and um if they could get more information on that because the sheriff and you know I was [24:41] just learning about the funding needs for the jail yesterday and the Holding Center and everything and the explosion [24:49] in drug related everything with the opioid crisis is extraordinary and you [24:54] know sometimes we live in a bubble but the kids are seeing it and so you could tap into them a little bit and see what [25:01] their feelings on that I appreciate it yeah we we've been pretty lucky with our student uh members but particularly when [25:08] we were planning our community event um they had great feedback around oh should we just do it at the school and I said [25:13] well that's that's relatively insular you know you need to get out of the walls of the school um and so that's [25:19] great feedback absolutely okay good thank you and I think building off of that when I and then marrying it back to [25:26] the gambling um component to this if we're thinking about like as a community what are the next things to tackle and [25:34] gambling could definitely be one of those angles I based off of the student [25:40] commission interviews that we did am almost more interested in something like [25:45] Mental Health crisis that we're seeing in youth right now and not that it's [25:51] necessarily an either or but just thinking about how I do feel that there [25:57] already is a heavy amount of Regulation when you think about even like you're seeing like the sports betting and at [26:02] the bottom of every advertisement you know it's got you know go here for help and there is a lot of structure I think [26:09] already there where it feels like we're more at the beginning of the I don't [26:16] know what the curve would be um but at the beginning of the process of understanding the the Mental Health [26:21] crisis in youth today um and so maybe in that sense it means that it's more vague [26:27] and not necessarily something that you feel equipped to just go and do a research study on but just thinking [26:33] about the impact of social media and device usage and are there things that [26:39] we could do around that realm um because that personally I think is is more top [26:46] of mind and more top of Mind based off the discussions I've had with people in our community yeah I think when we've [26:52] touched on this area we need to partner very closely with the school district [26:57] who has a lot of ownership of this space um and so I think navigating that in [27:05] Partnership without getting too deep into what are you doing about this problem um will [27:12] be a dance I think um but I think as a report or a research [27:18] item no concerns and and thinking about how we can leverage the community get [27:24] togethers as another opportunity to I I think about this like you know [27:29] every generation has crises and learning and understanding how others have navigated them could be a benefit as [27:35] well um yeah so to take that full circle and and you brought it back to the [27:42] community events our social worker I talked with her at the police open house last when whenever it was last spring um [27:50] and she said she's primarily working with seniors so um you know if you haven't talked with her um about that [27:57] and and that's also a way to you know who's lonely in our community and and who's you know who's at risk and how do [28:04] we get them into these situations where we can strengthen the bonds and I think that's why we felt like we just hit the [28:11] tip of the iceberg with that that event that we did because that wasn't in conjunction if you will with Bloomington [28:16] and Richfield because it was the grant was through them and they've done those those events as you were talking about with with the health um the Mental [28:23] Health crisis and so this is the start of what we started to do and and that's [28:28] why we were actually really pleased that we had the whole spectrum of folks there but it was just one you know it was one [28:34] event so we've got to continue on that Journey so that we can start to really delve into those different um segments [28:40] of the population and figure out what we can do yeah good so only other thing I I [28:45] I'd like to add um I do think this is important for all the commissions and [28:51] all the work that we do what I think in particular for this one when we talk [28:58] about the community we really have to think as broad as we can and so it's [29:05] it's right to work with MJ and figure out how to get into the community engagement [29:11] organizations but some of those organizations have been well organized for years yeah and there are other [29:17] communities that aren't organized right and if you you look at the maps of from [29:25] an ethnicity perspective where people live you'll see in the Southeast quadrant is where the majority of the [29:32] people of color live in Edina and it's like it's a stark um difference and [29:39] they're not as organized as a morning side might be and so you can't just [29:46] focus on those groups because you'll miss others and I know MJ is doing a lot of work to figure out how to get others [29:53] organized is there a a different methodology that we use use for multi um [30:00] Family multi housing units or apartment complexes then we do communities and so [30:06] she's still going through a lot of that work uh but as you go through and do your assessments I think you really need [30:12] to uh think carefully about how to reach out to totally agree and I think that's [30:19] where the cultural diversity too drives you to what you need to do because different cultures like to you know [30:24] there's there's different norms and different accepted um you know ways of of integrating and and [30:31] reaching out to those folks to different groups so and that's also the rich fi School District a lot of it yeah and [30:37] that's the one thing with school districts is you know then you get into well there's private school and there's you know it's no longer the days I grew [30:43] up where there was one school and that was where everybody went and it was you know easy we don't have that unfortunately or maybe fortunately I [30:50] think Prim primarily our our goal is to provide an entire Community approach [30:55] regardless of your neighborhood regardless of and so I think events um [31:01] where we can um showcase and provide the opportunities for connections to get [31:08] outside of your neighborhood is is a really clear goal of what we're trying to drive in some of these events um and [31:14] so I think it's it's a both and um but specific for the right right exact [31:20] audience of what we're trying to solve for um I do think that you'll get expected ter turnouts [31:28] and outcomes if you only use the neighborhoods because there are structures and Legacy systems [31:34] there see it in the websites if you've ever looked at some neighborhood associations have very built out [31:40] websites um and others have no contact information so we need to not just [31:47] assume that that works because we need to connect with the whole [31:52] Community if you think about the southeast quadrant and you could think about this by quadrants to just play [31:58] neighborhood MH that James mentioned where there are people from so many [32:04] cultures in the Southeast area plus that's where most of our seniors are I [32:10] you know so in rotary this morning we had uh the [32:16] new District Governor there she was talking about a survey that they ran what were young people interested in [32:21] well uh it was no Epiphany I mean it was they what would they be interested in rotary for it was fellowship and to find [32:28] somehow to make a difference and and that sense of belonging and having a place that you [32:34] can call home or you feel good calling home uh is important to everybody uh but [32:41] in that Southeast quadrant where so many people probably don't know each other to the point you were making they have some [32:49] kind of an event or series of events where you get people that give people the chance to come together from [32:54] different cultures and different age brackets and sit and visit with each other would be great you know mentioned [33:01] over the last few years um I talked to a couple guys that [33:07] happened to have been in Milan Italy uh one summer and they had this event there called the long [33:16] table you know and so I thought well why would we do we could do that on a promon [33:23] we could do it at Centennial Lakes we would love to invite people to in [33:28] and and let them sit down with total strangers and start conversations and start building relationship it's exactly [33:35] what we want basically what we're trying to do that's what we did in the initial one it's it's amazing just creating the [33:41] Forum and beating people typically they show up they want to people want to meet [33:48] each other you know Co created this you know very large gap in physical even [33:54] just seeing someone in person a substantial amount of people work from home 100% of the time um and so just [34:01] creating it's it's surprising how just a couple things make people open to [34:08] meeting their neighbors chatting with them and so we we really strongly believe that this is a huge impact that [34:15] our commission can make on you know that mental health the feeling of belonging [34:21] the knowing who to call in an emergency um and and the whole Community [34:26] can benefit from this and so really appreciate the support as we go forward and I know we'll work with Jeff on how [34:33] we go through funding or whatever it looks like all the processes but this was a major success in a first try um so [34:41] very exciting I think you're the right commission to be doing this work this [34:46] work in our this mental health issue thank you all right so we're going to talk now about how cannabis can help [34:52] with mental health [35:00] way great job dude [35:38] one member of our team tonight I think you all have met but maybe not is Jacks [35:44] from think I've met I've been in a couple of city council so [35:50] far another cord we had earlier [36:14] of with food good evening um we are here tonight to talk [36:21] about cannabis so quick background um the state legalized cannabis at the end [36:26] of 2023 legislative session the office of cannabis management was established [36:32] um which will issue the licenses that the city have and by January 2025 is [36:37] when the licenses will go into place we do currently have a moratorium that's in effect uh that will be removed um by [36:46] Council when we end up adopting an ordinance so tonight we're here the model ordinance has been uh released by [36:52] the office of cannabis management and we're here to get a couple pieces of information from you all so we can and start drafting an [36:59] ordinance today we're going to talk a little bit about local registration enforcement process and then we'll go to [37:05] over to cannabis zoning talk more about that and then a couple other miscellaneous items that um are worth [37:13] discussion so the regulatory component of this uh is two has two levels the [37:19] state level uh they do the state the office of can cannabis management at the state level will do the licensing of [37:25] cannabis businesses and then there's there's a city component and they call out registration maybe you've read all [37:31] of this in in the the notes um but basically the process for uh cannabis [37:36] license e would be the application at the state level then the state asks our planning department or zoning uh zoning [37:44] folks is this allowed in this zoning District where they are proposed do they meet building and fire codes that has a [37:50] 30-day turnaround an expected 30-day turnaround once and then once that's all [37:56] basically indicated yes the Office of cidis Management continues with the license process at the state level once [38:02] they're licensed at the state level then they can apply for the local registration and then we would follow our application process and those types [38:09] of things so it's a it's a layered system and we are looking mostly at this [38:14] as a similar to our tobacco licensing um just because of the time frame of this [38:20] um so that's that's basically the similar internal process that we're looking at for uh how we would do [38:25] registration once they are Li at the local level or registered at the local level the compliance check component um [38:32] comes into play and our police department will be doing that um once the registrations are are issued couple [38:40] considerations for you all that we wanted to get your pulse on is first of all cost of registration right now we're [38:47] recommending uh we don't know exactly what the cost is going to be at the state level we can only do up to um we [38:53] can only do up to the maximum amount there but we're we're recom recommending that we adopt the maximum amount at [38:59] least initially to see what what the process is and how much staff time it's taking so that's one thing we kind of [39:05] want to get your blessing on um number of establishments uh we have to have the [39:11] required five um theoretically you could put no limits on it but um we're [39:16] recommending at this point in time that we start with the five but that would be up to you but that's only if there are [39:23] actually five establishments that want to open any DIN which okay all right and [39:31] we might we might not not get any we might not get any but what we heard from the office of cannabis management was [39:37] they got 700 inquiries initially so we might it kind of depends on probably if [39:43] they can find a parcel of land with the right business cost to be able to make their models work and this is um [39:51] establishments are retail or manufacturing or both this is the retail [39:56] component um I don't I don't understand this the [40:04] required to have one per res 125 residents what does that [40:09] mean it's it's a a minimum number we have to allow at we have to have [40:15] available at least one registration per 12,500 residents okay we don't have to [40:21] issue it unless someone asks for it uh and we could set you know we could set a [40:26] cap at five we could set a cap at some number higher than five we could not set a cap it's just we have to we can't set [40:33] a cap below five thank you um the county has also reached out [40:39] to us and offered to take over the local registration process um we're not recommending this that at this time we [40:46] kind of want to maintain that local Authority um to be able to have the say on The Limited number of things that [40:52] that we have say on um in Municipal cannabis with staff did talk about it but du to some of the ways that the the [40:59] law is written where it kind of wouldn't it it's actually separate from the five licenses so we'd still allow five [41:05] outside of that Municipal cannabis and we could only have one in the city boundaries that right now at this point [41:11] in time and with the cash business we just don't think it's the right time for us to explore getting into that um line [41:18] of business so I'm with with Kate uh on this there when we started talking about [41:25] this outside of um this group we got to make sure we get the [41:33] messaging right cuz this it's things are worded weird and it's kind of difficult to understand why it's worded a certain [41:39] way um and so I think we got to make sure um it's in um I guess I say [41:45] layman's terms but I don't even know what that means in this case but we should spend some time going through [41:51] that um and then the other question I had is on the um managing of compliance [41:59] we kind of just blew by that but is that process what is the process that we're [42:06] using to do that is the same as alcohol is it yeah so actually my next slide is [42:11] on the enforcement piece so okay Jeff just kind of previewed it a little bit sorry so he's always doing [42:18] [Laughter] that so what we need from you here is do [42:24] you want to have more than five um or five that's kind of one of the key [42:31] questions that we like some input on well the thing that hit me was that we [42:37] get money back from the state based on the number of establishments we have not the sales in those establishments and [42:44] that I'm infuriated by that it's like you know if we have a really good [42:50] shopping district and we sell a lot of furniture we get a lot of sales tax back right we get a proportion of that based [42:57] on what our sales are but here we could have a gang Buster the top sales in the [43:02] state in Idina potentially at one store and then only get you know based [43:11] on the five stores that we have versus and I just so it will be I mean so [43:17] they're still subject to all ordinary taxes on an ordinary you know by sale [43:23] basis the per store that is there is a specific extra tax on cannabis sales and it is [43:32] that extra cannabis specific tax that gets distributed on the basis of First [43:38] St so that they'll still be paying ordinary you know property taxes and but that's not my point is like if they sell [43:45] a lot of marijuana we should get a lot of money because I could just see that [43:50] happening having one store you know being in the Southdale area people are [43:56] there anywhere they stop they pick up a bunch of stuff while they're running the errands and yet even if we have the top [44:03] sales in the state but I I mean we can't change the law don't go thinking about running for the [44:09] legisl no no um feel like you're right here well [44:14] thank you um no not going to do that but I might be a little loud next time they come in okay because I I'm just um I [44:23] guess so I would have zero um um because I think it should be a child friendly [44:30] city um but so I'd go with five since we have to have five so maybe the M looking [44:35] at it is is we'd be okay with the minimum instead of just saying we we'll [44:41] just take whatever the market gives us right that that's another approach yeah like I said I just to me it's going to [44:47] be the sales in individual stores that are going to make the difference [44:52] and since we can't change that it's and really the minimum is is taking [44:58] your I guess your total population because it says residents and you're dividing that by 125 that's right and [45:05] that's your number and round it and round it [Music] up um and so what is a challenge for me [45:15] and it's just picking back off of member Jackson I don't I don't have enough [45:23] understanding to be able to give you an honest opinion and so I don't like [45:30] what is the impact if we um have fewer than five or more than [45:38] five or whatever like I I don't understand that well and I guess I would [45:43] ask on what basis what do you mean by what impact because where my mind went and if I remember correctly from the [45:49] packet I think we have six alcohol with the I think it was three like Municipal [45:56] and then there were cub and the gas station whatever it was um so my mind is [46:01] like five seems appropriate because it's kind of in line with what we have from an alcohol perspective um but that's the [46:08] only kind of baseline or comparison that I have is that the right basis right right I'm totally with you [46:15] yeah well I think of cities in California where you know entire blocks [46:20] you know it's like Starbucks you know that there's just one and every you know couple half mile or something [46:27] um in some areas and you know I don't know what the rent is that people would [46:33] do that but do we want to just open it up and and they have that be a possibility where it's a ubiquitous or [46:42] do we want to have it be more more than the number of Starbucks I think it's also like five six we have five [46:49] Starbucks but then if you add caribou and everybody else right does this include um the medical the icial it's [46:58] retail but it does not include this is recreational this is recreational okay [47:03] retailers and then there's another couple of business types micro bus and Meto bus which is kind of a brw hub [47:10] model um of sort of cultivation through sale and so this would be anyone who is [47:16] selling cannabis at retail to Consumers would count towards that five so [47:22] restaurants that offered averages to or so restaurant will only be able to offer [47:28] the lower potency the the currently legal 5 migr and that won't count okay [47:33] it has to be the sort of the full strength I'm comfortable with the five [47:38] limit and I mean we could always change it if for some reason we felt like [47:43] didn't have enough in the town anyway right isn't it a minimal [47:48] amount I thought it was like I can't remember from reading it on the property tax side yeah I I thought it was sort of [47:55] like oh whoopy do like great okay this and this is the the license right the [48:04] registration the local registration so what I'm hearing what's [48:09] the distinction between what James is asking and what you're saying well the license is the state level the [48:14] registration is the local level so we have we can control nothing at the state level until I suppose if we get to five [48:20] then they would if the state gets an application they would ask and we would say we're at the limit they you can't [48:25] issue that but but it wouldn't change license they still are the ones that hold the license so it's different than [48:31] like your liquor licenses where we set those parameters there's really a very small number of things we can regulate [48:38] right how do you decide if you pick the minimum just to be cautious that's kind [48:44] of where I would be how do you go deing who gets them [48:50] first come first serve or that is chosen at the state mhm so the state gets that [48:56] they're going to tell us here's your people and then there's a process that we'll go through but again we have very [49:02] limited discretion about what we can review for and then they would make the [49:08] the elements that we can review for that determine whether we want to register somebody or not so the the elements are [49:15] do they have a state license do they meet zoning and the state license already [49:21] checks for zoning so really we have so the state as part of the state like [49:26] licensing process they ask the city to comment on the zoning so it's it's sort of working together on that that second [49:34] element okay so what would happen then I think if they open in the first day 10 [49:42] people apply um so it again it goes through the state and they have originally it was a [49:49] first com first serve basis as part of the legislative changes this year they've moved into a lottery okay so [49:54] they basically once they open up the actual um license applications we're [50:00] kind of reading the tees a little bit on what's going to happen basically they will call the city you know if they get a bunch of applications for Ina they'll [50:07] call the city and they say how many do you allow and we'll say whatever number we pick five for example and they will [50:14] say cool you know we'll we'll pick five names out of a hat and that will be your five there's no way to determine [50:22] Financial stability um as a criteria for no way [50:27] that we can there is elements of the state license application include things [50:33] like um financing and business plan uh and so those are reviewed by ocm by the [50:39] state agency um with an eye towards one of the license criteria that they have [50:45] is um projected stability uh but that's not something that the city can be involved in [50:57] licensing process and those licenses are um Ming [51:02] your financial Fitness is a licensing criteria yeah if I could ask a question [51:08] um can a private land owner say no like could a if I'm a commercial business [51:14] owner do I have to lease to one of these five people that's selected or no no [51:20] find their own place to rent just like yeah commercial you could you know if you're a landlord you zing yeah you know [51:27] no matter what the zoning if you're if you're a commercial business owner and you don't want a drive-thru or uh liquor [51:34] store or whatever you that's just a private property right so I know that there are more [51:41] slides so to keep us going along I would say that I would agree with all of the [51:46] staff recommendations on this slide okay all right um quick on enforcement [51:54] at least once per year the city is required to cond doct a compliance check that's similar to exactly what we do [51:59] with both tobacco and liquor and dinina police feels very comfortable being able to to add that for five license holders [52:06] you know if you guys decided you wanted to have 22 they might um ask more questions but at this point in time for [52:12] five they felt comfortable the county again just for considerations has offered to do this for us but again we [52:19] have very little things that we can actually control and we felt like at this point in time at least initially that we wanted to retain any Authority [52:26] that that we had in that way if you're okay with that then we'll move on to zoning which is going to take us a [52:32] bit all right so we mentioned how ocm will issue the license for um retail [52:38] businesses but there's also other types of businesses like um cultivators manufacturers testing facilities [52:45] wholesalers um we have to allow these uses but we get to kind of decide through our zoning where we want to [52:51] allow them so uh for retail it seems a lot of cities are choosing to follow [52:56] there's Zoning for tobacco and liquor stores so any Dina tobacco and liquor stores are allowed uh as a permitted use [53:02] in the planned commercial districts one two and three um so we could choose to follow that for cannabis retailers or we [53:09] could limit it to just one or two of those um the tradeoff with allowing it in all three is that um ideally maybe [53:16] they spread out a bit versus having them concentrated in one uh one area we also [53:23] need to be mindful of not making it so restrictive that we indirectly make it impossible to have the five [53:30] um so the the maps that were included in your packet the the green areas are just [53:36] showing the the parcels that are zoned for to allow planned commercial District uses in one two and three um and just a [53:44] quick refresher so the pcd1 zoned areas those would be those are meant to be like our neighborhood convenience retail [53:51] so those are places like valy viw Wooddale 44th in France 70th in kahill p pcd2 zoned areas are slightly more [53:58] intense commercial districts so those are things like Grand View 50th in France and then PCD 3 is limited just to [54:04] the Southdale District um so you'll see on there too um another thing that we [54:09] can consider is imposing some buffer uh requirements so we could impose uh buffers of up to 1,000 ft from schools [54:17] and up to 500 feet from daycares residential treatment facilities uh or an attraction within a public park that [54:23] is regularly used by miners including a play ground or Athletic Field um so we could we could choose to [54:31] impose the maximum buffers something less than the maximum or no buffer at all um a couple other things just to be [54:38] mindful of uh the state law requires that cannabis businesses prevent the visibility of cannabis and hemp derived [54:44] products to individuals that are outside of the retail store um the law also requires that they have to maintain and [54:50] follow a security plan so there's some requirements that come along with that [54:55] um they're also required to maintain a ventilation and filtration system sufficient to meet the requirements for [55:01] Odor Control established by ocm we don't know what those order requirements are yet um so it's possible the city we [55:08] could potentially impose our own order requirements potentially depending on what the state comes out with um we [55:14] should know that before the end of the year I would think what those rules are going to be we we are hoping to have [55:19] sort of a a comprehensive set of at least the draft proposed regulations [55:25] sometime as well okay would you go back toison what the businesses are that we have to allow [55:31] under the in a cannabis District y it's retail it's growing what else was it so [55:39] the state will issue licenses for cultivation manufacturing retailing [55:45] wholesaling um testing there's other licenses that aren't really related to a land use but [55:52] those are the main ones right so really I mean retail is what we in our commercial districts um and then on the [55:59] next slide I'll I'll get to that in a minute but all those other uses like wholesaling um manufacturing processing [56:05] testing those are pretty consistent with what we allow in our industrial district for other types of products so we're [56:11] proposing that those go there um but I guess on this slide we were looking for direction on do you want it do you want [56:19] the retailers allowed in all three of the PCD subd districts or do you want to [56:25] limit it to just you know two and three or just three um and do you want to [56:30] impose those buffers I feel like I need to know more particularly as I live near [56:35] the Woodale Valley View pcd1 District in which we have three purely residential [56:41] developments that are all Zone pcd1 and I don't know what the standards are for [56:48] fire code and all of that but conceivably any of those units could be [56:55] a retailer so um that's something that is very much [57:00] on my mind I'm also so I think you know I I tried to think what my biggest concern is is we're starting the [57:06] dialogue as Council people we are here providing what limited direction we can [57:12] give but we need to be very transparent and open and do Outreach to our [57:18] community um particularly those purely residential condos and apartment [57:25] complexes and now a town home that are pcd1 um I think that's only fair and [57:32] then um like I know tonight we're talking about possibly [57:38] resoning and the issue of cannabis has not come up and that parcel doesn't even [57:45] go in the buffer zone so there's that too so I just I want Total [57:52] transparency we don't have that many pcd1 districts so what tell us what they are right so pcd1 is Valley View the [57:59] area around valy view Wooddale 44th in France 70th in Cahill there's also one [58:04] parcel at Lincoln and londondary those shops there at Lincoln and londondary and then there's one at [58:09] 54th in France as well can I just one quick followup Julie [58:14] what when you say you want complete transparency is it that hey your area is [58:20] going to be regulated to allow cannabis shop what what would what would the um Communications [58:26] be sharing that you would want us to make sure that we got out I could see how people who are in those purely [58:33] residential sites would have absolutely no idea and so I don't I don't know how [58:41] that communication is going to look but and I don't know what the community [58:47] outreach is going to be like I don't know if there's going to be a better together page to get that I don't know [58:53] if there's going to be a mailer that'll go out to you know properties that have been [58:59] identified as cannabis retailers allowed um it's not just about [59:07] being you know and I don't want to be alarmist or anything but this is this is [59:13] about distribution in terms of the whole city and not concentrating it's also about [59:19] awareness and so it it should be something that is you know provided to [59:27] people who you know could be impacted by this and jul are you saying that so that [59:34] you're in a PCD one you're just saying they should be aware if we were [59:41] to decide that in those retail shops that there could be cannabis sold is [59:47] that what you were saying or I think so yeah I mean I because it's a change and it is something [59:54] that people have opinions right okay um and so I think I [1:00:01] think that's important and I think it's important to get feedback from the community as well uh because you know if [1:00:09] if we maintain that full buffer it appears that those purely residential [1:00:16] you know places are going to be in a buffer and so they're they do all surrounded daycare so there's that um [1:00:24] which is a buffer area are so you know this could play into our decision of do [1:00:30] we want to maintain a buffer I add that the three sites that are currently residential buildings a cannabis [1:00:37] retailer couldn't just move into those um any kind of change in use like that they have to go through site plan review [1:00:43] you know they don't they wouldn't have the parking to meet it um those are residential buildings so they were up in [1:00:50] the right those were built to Residential Building Code not commercial so so they they wouldn't be allowed to [1:00:56] open we wouldn't allow that to happen if they redeveloped as like mixed use properties then potentially I but I [1:01:03] guess the door is open and they are commercial they are next to a daycare [1:01:09] that has a parking lot that is not used on the weekend at all or after hours so [1:01:15] you know I I I hear what you're saying but at the same time you know it it is [1:01:22] now because of the way they were zoned back in 2017 and I went back and I [1:01:27] watched that October 3rd meeting where that ask was made [1:01:34] to amend the comprehensive plan for a purely residential development and make [1:01:40] all of them pcd1 which is mindboggling but that happened and part of it you [1:01:46] know I think the entire code the code was not consulted and so that was a [1:01:51] problem the special requirements were not reviewed and so you know I I think just being aware that's a very [1:01:58] cautionary Tale But you know this is why zoning is so important and it is it's [1:02:05] important those points are are right so the transparency of hey we're changing [1:02:10] something in our code we should be doing that anyway and I assume this will be part of the communication plan whatever [1:02:17] we decide but I also agree that we wouldn't allow a purely [1:02:24] residential uh bill building do a pop up to start selling cannabis right that would have to come through the process [1:02:31] for approval and I we would not approve that it's the state's call though isn't it well they' have to meet building code [1:02:38] but if they did well well they they wouldn't meet building code for being able to do retail sales in okay so [1:02:44] you're absolutely positive about that yes okay because I don't have that knowledge so I've got a couple of [1:02:50] questions um one is um areas that are PUD how do we [1:02:56] this includes the puds that allow pcd1 so like a lot of our puds especially [1:03:02] like in Southdale those were Zone PCD 3 okay and then they were rezoned a PUD to allow a specific project but they still [1:03:08] allow all uses you know some of them will still say that all uses allowed in PC3 are permitted use so those are [1:03:17] captured here okay and then my second question is about daycare um K about [1:03:22] daycare um and daycare sites so we've got a daycare shortage in the state I [1:03:27] don't know how extreme it is in Edina but if we are trying to get you know as [1:03:34] many daycare places as possible and we make that a Zone you know maybe this is a question [1:03:41] for bill um you know is the supply of daycare fairly [1:03:46] stable or are we getting new daycare and if we do that then and how does that [1:03:52] work I'll just say this buffer requirement wouldn't limit the day carees it would limit at a cannabis shop from opening so right if if a daycare [1:04:00] opened in an area that was within 500 ft of an existing cannabis shop now that cannabis shop becomes non-conforming [1:04:06] would be my understanding okay so we wouldn't say no a daycare can open here because there's a canab shop okay [1:04:13] hopefully they would know that when they picked their site that there was it wouldn't prevent new dayc carees from opening but it could prevent new [1:04:20] cannabis shops and um this is our I guess how [1:04:26] fluid is that market so um if we say we're going to put a buffer for daycare you know our you know churches [1:04:34] and commercial buildings opening if I have an office and I want to provide daycare for my employees does that then [1:04:42] push out the Zone if it was a new licensed daycare that and there was no [1:04:48] cannabis within that zone then the buffer requirement would go into place [1:04:53] and no nothing new would be able to comment so this buffer would be based on [1:04:59] when we receive an application what's the buffer at that time this is what it would be today okay [1:05:05] um but it's not it we're not creating like zones around as this map is that's [1:05:11] just what it would look like for today okay so you want to talk about pcd2 and PCD 3 to those [1:05:19] primary so P yep so pcd2 would be like 50th in France Grand View and then [1:05:25] there's an area around like Metro Boulevard n Industrial Boulevard where the Jimmy Johns and Starbucks is that's pcd2 and then PCD 3 is just the [1:05:32] Southdale [1:05:43] District what what I would say is I think you know I think it seems like with looking at this map there's a lot [1:05:50] of opportunity where I would start to think maybe we're getting into maybe not allowing enough opportunity for the five [1:05:56] retailers would be if we limited it to just PCD 3 in the Southdale and we impose the maximum [1:06:04] buffers so it seems like there's probably got to be some kind of tradeoff of allowing it in more than just PC3 or [1:06:10] allowing less than the minimum uh or the maximum buffer I agree with that I don't want to [1:06:17] see it only in the [1:06:24] Southeast what did you agree with yeah the all the zones oh with all the zones with PCD 1 [1:06:32] two and three right yeah okay cuz Addison I thought you were saying the opposite I was saying if you definitely [1:06:38] want to impose the maximum buffer you can you probably we probably can't also [1:06:44] say and we're only going to allow them in PCD 3 because then it cuts off there's just not enough opportunity for [1:06:50] them to actually happen got and you don't really want question is [1:06:56] um you know but it deals with pcd1 and that is those are really those are [1:07:01] commercial nodes but they're neighborhood commercial Z nodes and they're right next an a budding single family neighborhood correct so yeah they [1:07:09] may or may not have a daycare or school nearby that could be in a potential [1:07:14] buffer area but I me it makes no difference for this conversation because I think the more fundamental question is [1:07:22] do we want that kind of potential activity in a neighborhood commercial node [1:07:30] pcd1 gut to instinct is no and if we have to allow on pcd2 and [1:07:37] PC3 and then have some modification of buffer that we think would pass legal [1:07:43] muster we got somebody who's been studying the Cannabis law here I'd be [1:07:49] open to that as well but why not PCD because it is so close to [1:07:54] residential and we did pick those three orig all [1:08:00] close to residential isn't it yeah we are we picked that the reason staff we [1:08:05] made that initial recommendation and we're good with anything you guys want to do here but was lior liquor and [1:08:10] tobacco are currently allowed in those three zoning districts so we were just replicating the same process that we had [1:08:18] there to try to be consistent okay and that's what I'm feeling like we should do shouldn't be unique [1:08:27] I agree with [1:08:32] that so you go to Snuffy and have a hamburger and you go next door and get some [1:08:40] cannibis um yeah I think so a lot of that area is [1:08:47] buffered out just because of the daycare depends on the depends on the [1:08:52] definition of buffer we have to go to those it looks like the far end of that [1:08:59] retail the way it's kind of parceled out there you could have one on the west [1:09:04] side of that retail strip at Valley Woodale [1:09:09] event so I get it but I just think when [1:09:15] you look at the map of Thea where people live I just I think we could potentially [1:09:23] have a messaging issue if we're only going to allow cannabis in the Southeast sadron M and if we say we don't want [1:09:30] pcd1 because it's close to residential like that just there there's nothing [1:09:38] necessarily wrong with thinking that way but I [1:09:43] just I think we have to be really careful with Communications around that well people on the other hand I mean [1:09:50] that might be way of and people in those neighbors might like the proximity [1:09:55] the other component walk down there and do something they on before the other component is the buffer can be less than [1:10:02] the max like Bloomington and Richfield I think are both around the 500 foot is [1:10:07] kind of what they talked about so it doesn't have to be a th000 feet and on the buffer I don't I don't understand [1:10:14] why we would have a buffer what what are we protecting against just if you want separation from [1:10:21] places where kids are going to be so that's why it's schools daycare um so I get that but but proximity is [1:10:29] not an answer to me so if you said we don't want to have marketing visible to [1:10:36] kids well that's already covered right you can't do that that would be a reason to me if these establishments you could [1:10:45] smoke outside in the front lawn okay then we don't want that near [1:10:52] schools that's what I'm looking for and I don't don't see that at all for this [1:10:59] so so even though technically people cannot smoke um in front of that parking [1:11:05] lot how that gets regulated and enforced by the office of cannabis management is [1:11:12] outside of our control so while you say somebody isn't able to smoke and we [1:11:17] might A din of police might be able to show up and find somebody smoking in at that exact moment or maybe somebody gets [1:11:23] out of their car and has been smoking in their car and it the smells go out so I [1:11:29] think that is one of the concerns is there could potentially be odor of it when it is potentially unregulated [1:11:35] because the enforcement mechanism isn't something that we necessarily are in charge of cannabis management would then [1:11:42] have to go after that business specifically and their license and I don't know how long that would take so [1:11:48] those reasonings I'm asking for to just kind of go back to Kate's Point earlier [1:11:54] the B basis for making a decision on and and there is actually still some [1:12:00] City enforcement power um for these things so the if the city finds license [1:12:05] violations for these businesses the city can suspend the registration which is the local local license I guess you'd [1:12:13] say can suspend the registration for up to 30 days and report that violation to [1:12:19] ocm and then I I believe ocm has a [1:12:25] I think it's about a 48 hour clock to respond to a complaint from a city so [1:12:33] you know it can't permanently shut them down that's left to ocm um but a 30-day shutdown is you know [1:12:40] nothing to sneeze at if they are repeatedly thumbing their nose so does [1:12:46] retail include smoke shops like aren't there meaning oh [1:12:53] you're talking about there going to be the equivalent of bar or a cigar shop where you can go inside and [1:12:59] smoke only this is over the counter sales this isn't used in the location [1:13:05] correct for the retailers ventilation and whatnot right [1:13:12] um well yeah cuz there still could be odor concerns from the products themselves but um and and I guess I [1:13:18] don't know if we want to get to the next slide but I mentioned you know there's there's other types of businesses and AC [1:13:25] activities involved in this industry like the cultivation manufacturing um wholesaling testing [1:13:31] right so we're proposing to limit those to our industrial district [1:13:37] um a business owner that's issued a micro business license which Jack talked [1:13:43] about like that allows for everything from the cultivation the processing um and Retail right to the to [1:13:50] the same to the same entity and if you have that license you're also allow it to have on-site consumption similar to [1:13:58] like a Brewery Tap Room um but it's not products that you can smoke it's just [1:14:03] like the Edibles and drinks would that count within the five a lot it would [1:14:09] count as a retailer yeah yeah so that the the way the micro businesses work is you get a micro business license and [1:14:14] then they have an endorsement that you can get for like each of the different sort of ordinary Standalone [1:14:21] license types and so if they have a retail endorsement which is sort of the whole point of having the micro business [1:14:26] license then they do count towards the five okay and so looking at this map you [1:14:32] want to see retail or you want to see cultivation cultivation okay um you've got the buffer zone in place [1:14:40] and so the industrial that's across the street from Fred Richard's park is in that buffer [1:14:47] zone correct it appears that the only industrially zoned land well not [1:14:53] entirely cuz there's a spit that sort of runs up along 169 on the west side of 169 yeah [1:15:02] um but you know when we talk about and also it looks like the London Dairy [1:15:07] that's all in the buffer zone but I mean I'm not sure I'm seeing everything but [1:15:12] you know I really think it would behoove us to come up with a light industrial Zone and a medium or heavy industrial [1:15:20] Zone and this would be another especially if we are considering removing that buffer because do we [1:15:28] really want if we did that would we want to have um cultivation type entities [1:15:35] right across the street along that route well with that buffer they wouldn't be allowed there they wouldn't be allowed [1:15:42] but but I think this is another reason why it would make sense to have light industrial and heavy industrial when we [1:15:49] move forward with zoning if we were going to do that in a very methodical purposeful way and that would also be a [1:15:55] way to deal with the irregularities from [1:16:00] directly to the public you know so I mean it it just seems like we keep getting these situations that are [1:16:07] showing us that we should have two industrial zones and it would make sense [1:16:13] to move that way but with the as you said with the buffer that does protect I'm going to move us back really quick [1:16:19] to the retail stuff just so that we can make sure we're firming up are you guys okay with buffer [1:16:25] the buffer requirements there you you weren't recommending any [1:16:31] buffer we were we were we didn't actually make a firm recommendation and anything we showed you what it would [1:16:36] look like as a maximum um if you want us to make a recommendation we would probably recommend that we start with [1:16:42] buffers and then at some point of some sort we could always minimize it um it's [1:16:49] harder to go the other direction once you've allowed something um but that's um up to you if you [1:16:55] and I think this what were you g to say do we have them for liquor and tobacco [1:17:01] no and do you know why Richfield and Bloomington what was 500 [1:17:06] ft they've had discussions at their advisory Boards of Health uh Bloomington did and that was their recommendation um [1:17:14] and then Richfield just had their council meeting recently and they were less than the max but not zero I don't [1:17:19] know if it was 350 or 500 but they were kind of they didn't want to go to zero but they didn't do the maximum well they [1:17:25] haven't decided anything either I think they're kind of at the same point we are where they're just discussing so their [1:17:30] staff was just kind of throwing you know proposing something and but I don't think that their councils have taken [1:17:36] action right and we don't need decisions today we just need to get a sense of where [1:17:42] you're you had a strong I don't know why we would do [1:17:48] buers we don't do them for tobacco and liquor and so if we do have buffers I [1:17:55] just want to understand the reasoning behind it as all [1:18:02] um you could convince me that we Institute a buffer and [1:18:08] then we adjust as we go or something like that like we could do that too but [1:18:13] I still ask the same question um so we should be prepared to even articulate [1:18:20] why we're instituting we do that's how I feel [1:18:26] too so where we on the zoning PCD two three all three all [1:18:39] three to me the difference is that we have how many liquor stores in town we [1:18:46] have the three Municipal and that's it and they would all fall within if we had [1:18:52] the buffer zone they'd be safe they they're out outside the buffer zone [1:18:58] right Grand View is primarily open right there's also C Jerry's and Speedway that [1:19:05] have offsale so Grand View is within a th000 feet of O nonalcoholic that gets [1:19:13] tagged the Grand VI liquor store is within a th000 ft of OGG so that buffer [1:19:19] from OGG kind of wipes out the entire Grand District so if we made it 500 [1:19:25] would be possible non intoxic it has the same effect as right putting a buffer around the [1:19:32] liquor stores if we had a buffer around the liquor stores or or that would apply to the [1:19:38] liquor stores they would be outside the buffer zone um I mean I just I think that's you [1:19:46] know I I like I'm interested in the comparison but um and we're diff it's different from having it served to [1:19:53] something you pick up and carry out out and I think that's the where I'm drawing the difference [1:19:59] um well I mean you've got bars righty view would yeah is there a reason [1:20:07] that we wouldn't want a Canabis store in that little shopping mall on there Mar [1:20:13] because there within 500 ft of That Daycare year point I don't know what the reason would be I can't figure it out [1:20:20] right right the only thing I'm thinking like four-year-old can't go down there by cannabis 14year old escape from there [1:20:27] right take care right great but if they were consumption bars like a cigar bar [1:20:34] then I would feel differently about that for me that would be because of the smell yeah so like you said they have [1:20:41] the micro businesses they can have onsite consumption um no one under the age of [1:20:47] 21 is allowed on the premises so that's different than like a Brewery Tap Room like you see kids at breweries um but [1:20:54] they can't and it has to be can't be visible from the outside so we could require be [1:21:00] indoors and it's still um like you mentioned before it's the non-smoking [1:21:06] products so there's no no indoor smoking so the the way the cigar bars work is there's a there's a loophole you're not [1:21:13] allowed to smoke indoors but you're allowed to sample product indoors and that's how sigar bars work and they [1:21:20] quite explicitly closed that loophole for Canabis yeah so the concern about odor is more from the product than the [1:21:28] smoking or people driving there and what they're doing in the interim outside um which technically is [1:21:36] not allowed it's just whether or not it's enforced or not and I think that's part also of why the um setbacks from [1:21:43] the parks was included in there is the idea is that you could you know you could go to the store make a purchase [1:21:50] walk across the street and then you know even if you're not supposed to it would be an easy place to go [1:22:01] smoke because children are [1:22:11] supered okay