e okay good folks we've got a green light that means we can start the meeting and we will start the meeting now well good evening everybody and welcome to the ad city council meeting it is Tuesday June 18th 2024 703 3 p.m. and um I think director benro just went through uh the manner in which we're conducting our meetings uh these days actually uh during covid and postco we've been doing meetings in a hybrid sort of fashion that means people can be here with us at City Hall or they can they can uh participate remotely and they can participate in community comment and the public hearing portion of the agenda and there's a couple different ways that they can do that they can might be watching on cable TV or.gov live meetings are on Facebook and if so they're going to want to make sure that they call in on the following number they're going to put that number up on the screen uh and that's a protocol for getting to the city council if you're uh tuning in virtually uh and want to speak to the council either during uh during Community comment or during the three public hearings that we have this evening uh you can call that number and I would just caution you that public comment will come up fairly quickly in the agenda uh and so uh be prepared uh and have those numbers well in hand and uh maybe be calling now as a matter of fact so having provided information I'm going to call the meeting to order and I'm going to ask our clerk Sharon Ellison to call the role clerk Ellison council member agnu here council member Jackson here council member Pierce here council member Risser here mayor hublin here next is the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thanks everyone and um we have a form of meeting agenda that's been published both to members of the council and to the public in general anyone on staff or uh on the council that wishes to modify the meeting agenda any form all right uh is there a motion to approve the meeting agenda is public so moved second uh member Jackson moves member Pier second the adoption of the meeting agenda for the city council meeting this 18th day of June 2024 is published any further discussion all those in favor of adopting the meeting agenda say I I opposed carried uh now we are at Community comment so um I have that number put back up on the screen uh but in the meantime we're going to go to folks in the audience first that may want to address the Council on a matter of concern to them and remember it uh it can't pertain to something else on the agenda this evening or do a future uh matter that's been set for a future public hearing uh but other than that we are certainly welcome to hear your uh comments or your concerns uh we have uh residents that appear uh it seems like every meeting with something that they wish to share with the council and as our practice our city manager will deal with some of those comments that were made at the last meeting uh that were also dealt with online uh within 3 days after the council meeting was held so let me ask if anyone in the audience wishes to come forward and address the council uh in the community comment portion of the agenda covering something that's not on the agenda this evening or scheduled for a future public hearing see no one coming forward and hearing nothing uh director benat do we have anybody on line that wishes to I do have people on the line tonight um no one is signaling a desire to speak as a reminder to let me know that you want to speak you need need to press the star or Aster key then the number three on your telephone keypad that's the aster symbol then the number three that will put you in the queue to speak I'm still not seeing anyone it's possible they're on for your public hearings I would recommend that we wait one minute or so since there's a slight delay in the broadcast so I will come back to you at 7:06 or when I have some someone signal whichever is first [Applause] it is now 7:06 and I still don't have anyone signaling to speak so I think it's safe for you to move forward with your agenda thank you for that all right let's move on to the next portion of the agenda which is the consent agenda there are numerous items on the consent portion of the agenda that are typically handled in a single motion list someone on the council wishes to remove an item from the consent agenda is there anyone on the council wishes to remove an item from the consent agenda hearing nothing is there a motion to adopt the items on the consent agenda in a single motion so moved mson moves member Pier seconds the adoption of the items on the consent agenda in a single motion any further discussion all those in favor of adoption of the items on the consent agenda in the single motion say I I I opposed carried items on the consent agenda are adopted and approved and then we're on to special recognitions and presentations I wonder uh if we have oh good good we um we have been trying to get uh all of the Champions that we've had at Edina High School uh here to City Hall uh for meetings over uh the period of time before the school year ended well we we we had too many winners and we ran out of time before school ended to get them all here but we do have uh I think the uh State uh High School badminton team which was the uh first place team in the state badminton competition and um would like to have them come forward uh if they can the members that are here if you want to come forward and uh and be recognized this is the state meet varsity team Margo and Steve hanky were the coaches and I'm going to let the coach well congratulations [Applause] ladies why don't we take yeah we'll take a photo and then we'll have the council come down with us second consecutive year I think is is let's try two two rows do do some of you mind thank you way to be a leader all right council member Risser there we go you don't hit no I'm not asking you I just wanted you to get closer couple more and one for social right away all right thank you so much you come over here [Applause] this one will I'm just G to take a picture I am uh coach Steve hanky um Margo and I have uh have sort of piloted this runaway train for the last 13 years as our um youngest daughter um it was her vision to start the team she went through actually I believe this the school school board the athletic department to actually get a um Varsity badminton team at a d and we started in 201 and um this is a great culmination of of all that hard work and these girls are exceptional athletes and just really um it was also an undefeated season uh which was quite amazing doesn't really happen that way very often so um yeah really an exciting season kind of an easy season for me last year was difficult because we were trying to strategize and this this year we truly were the best team all all season and all they had to do was play their game and they did a great job Margo has been running the show I simply show up and go change this a little she's really the uh C's comfortable speaking yeah come on guys um this season was really fun and everyone worked really hard and I just appreciate the recognition for us cuz I know sometimes I tell people I play binton and they don't even they're just surprised we even have a sport at the school so just appreciate you inviting us here and we have lots of [Applause] fun uh director ven has a prestigious gift for you a it's it's not just a car coaster it has this lovely little note that says no matter where you travel know your hometown is proud of you congratulations on your state championship thanks for being absolutely congratulations I got so enthusiastic about getting to the volleyball team or the badminton team excuse me uh the high school badminton team that I forgot to go to manager Neil who uh will give us some responses from the last meeting I think be a couple of residents that were here with some concerns as I recall and we did we had a couple of comments but we had no questions so we don't usually respond to comments all right good um all right now uh next uh in this portion of the agenda special recognitions and presentations beyond the bad mitton team we're going to go to our annual comprehensive financial report for the year end of December 31 2023 and our finance director Pau has uh the introduction here here and I'll leave it up to her to uh make the introductions and and and we get the report before we get to the formal presentation I think you've got some folks you want to introduce that are new to the staff you guys hear me not real well I I just got to get over there I think not sure about that all right can you guys hear me now okay that's good so I have with me not just our Auditors but I also have some staff from our finance department that I want to introduce to you all um if you guys could stand up uh and join me up here I have With Me Nelly chick our assistant Finance director she's been with us since uh the end of May so recent uh she comes to us from um Metropolitan Economic Development Authority prior uh prior to that she was with St Paul Port Authority and then uh to my left over here I have tenzen dong Chong he is our accounting coordinator he's been with us since I want to say February of 23 so the these two plus the finance department has been a crucial part as far as uh putting the AER together as well as not just the finance department but all the Departments within the city as well it's a group effort so I just want to introduce them to you all thank you yeah welcome yeah nice to have you here and then I also have our Auditors like I said uh with us here tonight from Clifton Larson Ellen we have uh Lance lawinger a director from CLA or Clifton Larsson Ellen and then we have Lucas chase a director who also worked on our city audit for physical year 2023 they will be presenting the audit on physical year 23 Lance and Lucas good evening gentlemen welcome thank you for having us here tonight we're we're pleased to to present this year's audit results um first off I I'd like to thank uh PA and her team uh as she mentioned they they do all the prep work for the audit uh and and and AER um it's a lot of work to put all of that together and and to PR prepare for us and then when we come in asking questions and digging through things it's a lot of back and forth so we really appreciate her and her her team uh in helping us complete the audit as fic as efficiently as possible um tonight we have a just a brief uh presentation just to kind of go through uh some things I have uh just an agenda here so we'll go through some required Communications the audit results uh some highlevel Financial results uh for this year and then we have a few other items just um changes that are coming in the the government accounting World things like that that'll be impacting the city in the future so first up just some required Communications um uh just note that the audit provides reasonable but not absolute in assurance uh we're not able to test every transaction that occurs during the year we do what's what's referred to as a a risk-based audit approach uh you know we do an assessment of of risky areas and do uh you know sampling and and things like that uh over those areas to to get a reasonable uh level of assurance it's not absolute there PA and her staff would not want us to be here as long as it would take to go through every transaction uh just note that the financial statements are built on certain estimates uh there is one uh to call out that's we consider a significant estimate and that's for post-employment benefits so you'll see that liability within the financial statements this year there were two new accounting policies that were implemented last year we had a big one as well you probably would note uh there was one for leases this year uh we had a similar one in Gaz what's referred to as gasby 96 subscription based Information Technology arrangements so for these there was for anything uh you know sub uh it subscription there was uh we capitalized an asset and and a and a liability a related liability for those um so that that did impact the financial statements this year the other one uh that was implemented this year we there was an assessment done was uh was gasby 94 public private and public Public Partnerships and availability payment arrangements um that was implemented this year but it had no impact on the financial statements there were no agreements that applied to that um a couple of additional things were required to let you know about so we did have one uh item that uh Rose to the level of uncorrected misstatement this isn't something that's material um there was it was related to compensated absences in the gulf and liquor funds there as part of that calculation you also need to ACR for um you know payroll taxes and that type of thing usually those balances aren't material um so we you don't even have to assess for them uh this year just based on the level of the compensated absences those were required to be calculated in um but due to the work that it would take to implement them and add them into the financial statements not considered uh necessary or or changes the outcome of the financial statements at all it is not something that's material so um something that does not need to be corrected uh there were also a couple of correct what we consider corrected misstatements so these do rise to a level where something came up during the audit and that just requireed an adjustment um one just related to uh accounts payable there was an adjustment for for $582,000 um and it should actually say the the uh this is related to the arena and Debt Service funds um just for some payments that were accured back that weren't necessary to acre back into uh fiscal year 23 the other one was related to uh Revenue uh in the arena fund just matching up uh and reclassing some revenue from the golf fund into the arena fund just to get those uh into the correct bucket there if there was anything that came up during the year that you know raised any difficulties for the audit we'd be required to let you know glad glad to uh communicate that there were was nothing that difficult that arose and if we had any disagreements with management we'd also be required to let you know glad to report no no disagreements this year uh for thei financial statement audit audit results um audit opinion uh this year we are issuing uh an unmodified or clean audit opinion for the December 31st 2023 Financial stat ments that is the best uh highest level audit opinion we can give to any any uh Minnesota Government entity um internal controls over financial reporting we did have one item that came up uh just related to those audit adjustments uh so we had a material weakness for uh material audit adjustments um for those those adjustments that were made during the audit um as part of our testing this year uh anything when you have over $750,000 in Federal Federal expenditures you're required to undergo uh a a federal single audit um this year we tested the slrf program um similar to last year um and this year we did have one item uh one item that came up in testing there uh so we have a material weakness over internal controls over compliance and other matters for procurement uh there were two items that we tested um and they actually fell right at the beginning of the year um we tested the same program last year and and as a result there was a new policy over Federal programs that was imp mented by the city unfortunately these two items that we tested happened before that policy was implemented so it's really something that that happened before the new policy kicked off for the year um and then lastly here this Minnesota legal compliance as part of the audit uh there's uh checklists that are provided by the Osa that were required to go through um over seven different areas um it's a quite quite a large um range of things to to check for um compliance with Minnesota legal stat statutes everything from bid uh bid laws to um prompt payment of bills that type of thing during our testing uh there were two things that we noted one was for prompt payment of bills or what we referred to as 35-day finding um bills are required to be paid within 35 days of of receipt and and this year there was one it item that came up this is by far the most common thing that we see it can happen for various reasons an invoice doesn't make it to the finance department for example in a timely fashion this year I think it was a result of U just uh an internal uh software uh glitch uh timing wise on on how payments are processed so nothing nothing else came up there and then lastly was there was a broker certificate that was Miss being signed it's just required that uh any Brokers that the city uses there's a requirement to have a certificate signed annually and I think it just it missed the the dates when it was signed there so all right next up I'll I'll go through a few Financial slides and then I'll hand things over to Lucas to to go through the rest of the financials and and also um kind of wrap up our presentation uh this first slide is is just looking at the general fund this is your your main operating fund uh that uh you know houses all your kind of day-to-day activity um looking over the last 5 years and and showing the changes in your your unassigned fund balance that's the portion of your fund balance that you have discretion over uh it's not tied up for any other uses or purposes your total expenditures and your total revenues looking at revenues for the year in your general fund they came in at around 58 million that was up about 3.1 million for from 2022 and and came in about 6% overy your budget for the year um and we'll go into look at kind of what makes up those revenues here on the next slide um expenditures for the year came in at 55,8 88,000 that was up about 3.3 million from uh 2022 um and about 1% over your budget and your unassigned fund balance came in at 21, 240,000 that was up about 1.3 million and that makes up about you know we always do a comparison as compared to your expenditures just to to show how much uh you know of your fund balance uh you you have to cover expenses uh in case of an emergency um it made up about 38 % of your Year's expenditures which is uh consistent with what we saw last year as well next is the general fund f uh general fund revenues over the last five years and this these graphs just show you kind of the the main pieces of what makes up your general fund Revenue um obviously of that 58 million taxes make up the biggest portion of of that Revenue um your tax revenue came in at uh just over 40 million for the year um that was up about 2 .7 million um from uh 2022 or a 7% increase you'll notice uh a couple other ones to note just your license and permits saw a decrease uh of about 1.7 million coming in up roughly 5.6 million for the year um but did end up greater than what was budgeted by about 164,000 um just a lot more activity in 2022 for lies and permits there and then the other one that's uh kind of a significant change you'll notice that other Revenue category uh showed a significant increase um really that other Revenue category is about 2.1 million and really the big change is investment income uh in 2022 and Investments uh just because of the the market rates things like that saw actually a a decrease in value um but of about 1.1 million but those those investment values obviously are increasing with increased interest rates and things like that so actually had investment revenue of about 1.3 million uh this year so that's what's causing that large uh increase there next up is your general fund expenditures again totaling 55 uh, 888,246 percentages across your different uh you know uh programs um and and as you can see your your programs have stayed pretty consistent year to year obviously there's there's that increase in expenditures but really nothing nothing to note as as driving any any any individual category there um next up is the Utility Fund operations um for the over the last five years um your operating revenue for your utility funds uh came in at about 30.4 million that actually was a little bit of a decline of about 5.8% or 1.9 million um just due to your rate decrease uh and connection fees uh that occurred in 2023 your operating expenses came in at uh 20 21.4 million that was up about 10.2% or or 1.4 million um from 2022 that operating expenses also includes depreciation of about 6 million obviously your utility funds are very Capital there's a lot of capital activity in there a lot of infrastructure so you see have a lot of uh depreciation expense that's hitting uh impacting your your operating income um but you still have positive operating income of about 9 million uh for 2023 I'll hand things over to Lucas to wrap things up thank you yeah okay hello all right I'm going to walk you through the rest of the business funds here similar slides um for each of those as you saw for the utilities obviously the operations are a little bit different uh this first one here is for the quatic center fund operations uh as Lance mentioned earlier we we break out your operating expenses in these slides from your depreciation amortization just because those are kind of no longer cash uh flows related they're they're Capital related they already expended and you're just appreciating them over the life so we're kind of comparing that that navy blue to kind of that aqua color to more of a visual of what your cash flow statement might look like so as you're looking at this you can see uh your operating revenues if you're comparing 22 23 they did decrease about 2.1% so not a not a big change in the revenue there so that Navy that Navy bar there your operating expenses did take a uptick about 16.6% in The Aquatic Center and you'll kind of see that this is if you're comparing side by side the only year presented other than 2020 that had covid going on kind of unique circumstances there we your operating expense after we back out that depreciation amortization exceeded operating revenues and you can see that same thing if you looked at your cash flow statement and you know comparing to the last couple years in your Acer so looking at the cash flow statement I looked at you it's just kind of a small loss from cash there or cash used from operations of 27,000 whereas prior you had cash coming in of of 218,000 a similar slide here on the golf course so you can kind of see steady growth since since Co there since 2020 SS that's great to see uh your operating revenues increased 4% from the prior while you're operating expenses increased 15.88% um still yet positive operating income of $555,500 operating cash flows of 1.6 million so the golf course did did great there as Bally comparing to uh previous years you just kind of keep building the operations there similar slide on the arena fund operations now you can see uh actually here you had enough uptake and activity you ran right off our y access setting here so um you're you're actually up about $3 million in an operating expense and $2,750,000 operating revenues uh so you had an uptick of operating revenues of 8.5% and uptick in operating expenses of 15.1% uh you ended up with an operating loss a little bit of increase in operating loss from the prior you had operating loss in 23 of $747,000 and operating loss in the prior of $641,000 uh taking a step back and and thinking about more cash flow wise though um you had a just a kind of a small uh loss in percentage wise cash flows of $282,000 whereas he had cash flows provided in the prior years other than 2020 with covid going on so he had cash flows provided of 51,000 22 and uh cash flows provided 254,000 in 2021 so had a little bit of step back this year in the arena fund here's a slide on your liquor operations and we have another one after this that kind of focuses more on your gross profit percentage which just kind of a a a key uh index that's you know everybody looks at including the office of State Auditors um so this one again side by side where we break out cost to sales here being the liquor fund um look at your grow sales uh we like to see the transfers out broken out there too because that's you know you're the liquor you have signs right out you help them fund other operations of the city um so with that note you can see gross sales did take a little bit of step back this year they went down uh 7.6% from the prior year went down about a million dollars uh you did have a million dollar transfer out to help fund other activities of the city still your operating income then decreased we look at as a percent it's a higher percent because you have you know you're looking at just the net but a decreased 40% or as a number is really not that big 279,000 but still positive right so you had positive operating income of $414,000 um and you'll see on the next slide when you're comparing if you're looking at the cost of sales to your your gross sales you had an actual uptick in your gross profit percentage um even though your your operating income went down so your gross profit percentage went up to 32.4% from 30.6% um so that being said that means your expenses increased you know at a higher rate than or your your revenues decrease more than your expenditures could you have decreases in both and that's because of things other than your cost of sales right so that's your your personnel and and charges for services so here's that slide on your gross profit percentage and this is a pretty positive slide when you look at it um the bottom line is your metro area off sale only stores and you can see that the city's liquor store operations are trending above it basically for all years um you'll notice we don't have 23% because all the 23 audits aren't submitted to off state aitor yet so um but at 22 the most recent there that's 27.4% your comparative year was 30.6% you had that nice uptick of uh about 1.8% increase in your gross profit percentage up to 32.4% in 23 then now uh as I mentioned before you'll notice we're we're looking back to to 21 data from from Statewide here there again it's uh the state agencies that compile that Statewide data uh haven't been able to post the 22 information yet so then we're comparing everything from 21 on uh for your comparisons and this is a revenues per capita um looking at similar size cities um when you're looking at just 21 so it's a couple years back so for what it's worth uh your revenues per capita were $42 more uh than similar size cities uh compared to to your largest differences there were in property taxes uh charges and fees and other uh you can see your kind of uptick up as Ci's grow and normally kind of consistent with your expenditures uh in the revenues per capita in the subsequent years um just a note uh just uh similar with other years since 21 on the city doesn't get any LGA local government Aid now here's another slide similar to revenues but now we're looking at expenditures per capita uh again using 21 Osa data the most recent available for your comparatives and then three years of city of Dina expenditures per capita uh you can see your current expenditures actually didn't change that was kind of interesting uh so then the drivers and your your changes in in expenditures for Capital all your your capital and debt related um your Capital expenditures did uh decrease $133 or your expenditures uh in total per capita decreased $13 $3 U from 22 uh your per capita expenditures are $286 more than other similar cities when you're comparing the 2021 columns primarily due to your Administration and public works and these can vary based on each City's needs right some other highlights uh there is a June 30 deadline uh to submit this to office of state auditor and then you also have uh similar deadline to gfoa uh both those deadlines should be met because these are issued statements uh and just a note I think uh last year's 22 act for uh you know you got that award that was your 13th year and we'll be uh working with the city and they'll be submitting the the 23 uh act again here and fully expect that it will get the award again now some fun stuff with uh the gby of the government County standard board they've been pretty busy um you know Lance touched on the Le standard subidas we had the the Public Public partnership standard uh that kept us busy the last couple years uh this upcoming year there's two standards that are applicable but they're not quite as heavy as a lift um the first one's gby 100 uh County changes and error Corrections just making it consistent with how everybody's handling those disclosing those um the biggest change will be if you have changes in your major funds uh so if you have something moving from those combining statement to the back to the front you'll have to disclose that you have kind of a Recon sign table um so a little bit more work for everyone involved for that but it'll make it more clear and concise and kind of explain those changes uh the other one is compensated absences uh gby 101 the last standard for that was gby 16 which was probably a 30-year old standard at this point um you know back when that came out the idea of comp time PTO uh wasn't a a big idea they kind of wrote it with sick and vacation in mind um and you basically only recorded sick time if you paid it out upon termination and then vacation you pay basically your rate times the balance is left and they've they've changed it to basically if you earn this time while you're working for the city and you're going to get it paid out whether it be upon termination or if you're just taking SI sick time comp time uh you know you're you're safe safe and sick time whatever it be um you're going to have to look at that figure what's the percent of chance it's going to get paid out um apply the rates at the time of the calculation so it could result in and Cal a little more similar how vacation was basically booked in the past and a slight increase in liability but um shouldn't be nearly as heavy as a lift as a bit as and leases have been the last couple years and then looking out to 2025 we basically have one uh uh standard that's going to add some disclosures um you know call out if you have any any Revenue concentrations if you have any other constraints uh and just make sure that that that important information is being disclosed in your financial statements then the next big one uh that will take some work um they're calling it a financial reporting model improvements um but uh it's it's really going to have some impacts on the mdna your proprietary fund statements uh and your budgetary comparison information and and some revisions there I know um initial go rounds of this we're worried there's going to be a lot more changes in this um but so far with gadgy 103 uh that we'll be implementing in in 26 uh those are going to be the main areas impacted by the standard and with that we'll open up for for questions and comments otherwise that's all we had for you all right yeah thank you Mr chase Mr ler U let me ask our colleagues if we have questions yes member U has one for you thank you so much for the thorough presentation tonight I just had one question related to the uncorrected misstatements uh for the uh compensated absences does this change how we need to be doing things in the future um due to the fact that it was an uncorrected misstatement and what role does the gby 101 play into the way we reported or we'll need to do so differently moving forward it really doesn't I mean uh an assessment can be done uh year to year whether you need to calculate that I I think um you you know those balances in in Prior years hadn't risen to the level that they had so the assessment wasn't necessary um you know it's something to to look at and evaluate but again it's not something that's material or would change the financial statements in a significant way that that you know you got to take into consideration how how much work it is to actually get it into the into the financial statements as well so um you know just something to keep in mind uh as as the assessment of those compensated absences balances are are you know being evaluated and calculated um as far as uh you know gby 101 uh you know that like Lucas said the the threshold for some of these compensated absences balances or or how you're calculating calculating them are probably going to raise them a little bit your your compensated absences will be a little bit the liability probably will be a little bit higher as a result of implementing this so really that that those those pieces that are factoring into that compensated absences balances um probably will you know continue to be you know just right on that threshold um but will be you know it it would you know something to consider as as those are being evaluated and calculated so certainly certainly something to consider and keep on the radar in the future but nothing that's you know those those pieces aren't going to change um in a material way from year to year and just to add that the primary piece to that is is your F and it it's it's more complicated than just adding 7.65% because then you have you know your plac and fire excluded they only pay the Medicare portion and uh but but gby 101 makes it very clear you wouldn't add your Pera um so it's it wouldn't be a huge uptick you know obviously it's going to be less than 7.65% with a lot of your wages being Public Safety which only would have you know the 1.45% added um you like Lance said you'd have to look at it see how material really ends up being even with liability increasing other questions from Council Members I want to thank you for your work this year uh this audit is a critical part of uh the work that we do from a financial standpoint to make sure that our city is functioning properly our our finance department uh is does an excellent job and uh we've had outstanding people there as Finance directors and that team for years so uh what the work you do every year is basically reinforces that good work I think and um when you get a clean opinion like this and then you you get you get to bring us up to date on how some of the Enterprises have done how overall City Financial Health picture looks um helps us and I'm sure our um uh our rating agencies you know kind of provide that affirming information that uh that we're in good shape and that's why we've been getting these double AAA Bond ratings over these years so but your your work is really critical to making sure that we're as strong financially as we can be and as healthy as we can be manager Neil any comment I don't I think that was very well said thank you okay thank you um there I see that there's no action requested here but I think it probably would be appropriate to entertain a motion to accept the annual comprehensive financial report for the year ended December 31 2023 member Pierce moves second member Jackson seconds the um acceptance of the annual comprehensive financial report for the year end of December 31 2023 any further discussion all those in favor of adoption of the motion of stated say I I I oppose carried the annual comprehensive financial report for the year ended December 31 2023 is adopted all right good thanks for being here this evening gentlemen um now we've got a few public hearings this evening a first couple involved um request for new on sale intoxicating Sunday sale liquor licenses uh People's Organic coffee Bakery cafes DBA People's Organic and then the second one involves a new restaurant in our town uh guac on Inc DBA Pur Lima Cantina insur and Allison our city clerk has done the background uh led the background investigative work with respect to both of these applicants for intoxicating licenses and I'll turn now to our Clerk for the her report with respect to the first matter and that is People's Organic coffee Bakery Cafe DBA People's Organic thank you Mr Mayor U members of the council People's Organic uh applied for a an on sale liquor license um People's Organic is actually a current holder of an onsale liquor license they are in the Southdale mall but they're moving from their current location to a new location and as a result um had to apply for a new license um and so we recommend um approval of this license um there's no one in attendance tonight um so I would recommend that you um approve this liquor license um however hold the public hearing as required and then go from there anyone have questions for clerk Allison on this matter all right uh this is a public hearing matter and I'm going to open it up for public testimony for is anyone in the audience who wishes to testify regarding the potential issuance of the uh on sale uh intoxic Sunday sale liquor licenses to People's Organic coffee Bakery CAF is ink DBA People's Organic feel free to come forward no one coming forward do we have anybody on the line that wishes to testify regarding this matter I do have somebody who's now signaled to speak um I'm going to go ahead and unmute that line right now caller once you hear the ding you can go ahead with your comment right caller your your line should be unmuted go ahead caller caller can you hear us I think maybe your the color is not paying attention right now um color you can go ahead by stating your full name and address for the record gonna mute I'm gonna mute that caller again H they've put their hand down now so maybe it was an errant it was an error maybe maybe they hit star three accidentally anyone else no one else is signaling at this time I think that whole thing took about a minute so you're probably okay with moving on very good um is there a motion to close the public Hearing in this matter regarding the potential issuance of an onsale intoxicating a Sunday sale liquor licenses to uh People's Organic so moved second remember U moves member Jackson seconds the uh closing of the public hearing with respect to the potential issuance of new on sale intoxicating Sunday sale liquor licenses to People's Organic coffee Bakery cafes Inc DBA People's Organic any further discussion all those in favor of closing the public hearing regarding this matter say I I I opposed carried public hearing is closed uh is there a motion to approve the new on sale intoxicating and Sunday sale liquor licenses for People's Organic coffee Bakery CAF zinc DBA People's Organic so moved member Pierce moves second member Jackson seconds the issuance of the uh new onsale intoxicating Sunday sale liquor licenses for People's Organic coffee Bakery Cafe zinc DBA People's Organic any further discussion all those in favor of approving the motion of State say I I I opposed carried uh the motion to approve those on sale intoxicating and Sunday sale liquor licenses to People's Organic is approved uh and adopt it next public hearing matter we have uh clerk Allison has this matter as well and this involves a new restaurant coming into Viana called the per Lima Cantina and clerk Allison will tell us about this applicant yes so peral Lima Cantina is going into the space at 3925 West 50th Street that is a space that was previously occupied by stock and Spade um they've applied for the on sale intoxicating and Sunday sale liquor licenses and staff again is reviewing or is recommending approval um I do believe that um Lily Phillips the co-founder is in attendance tonight am I correct I guess not she was planning to be here um but probably didn't get a chance to make it to the meeting so no one in um in attendance CH any questions that you may have about that particular restaurant and that's totally fine attendance is not required um for approval um it would have been nice to have had somebody here to they could uh communicated with folks in our community um so no one from per Lima is here per Lima Cantina uh this is a public hearing matter uh it's been recommended by staff that uh uh P Lima Cantina be approved for an onsale intoxicating liquor license and a Sunday sale liquor license uh if you would wish to testify regarding this matter please come forward hearing nothing and seeing no one coming forward do we have anybody online my caller has raised a hand again so call caller I've unmuted your line again um please Begin by stating your full name and address for the record go ahead caller that maybe it was actually the owner of the restaurant but caller go ahead your line is open I'll I'll mute the line again I'm not sure what's going on there if You' like to speak please press star three on your telephone keypad that will signal that you want to speak and then I'll unmute your line you'll hear a little tone and then you can go ahead with your remarks no hands are up I think it's safe to go forward very good um is there a motion to close the public hearing uh in this matter involving guac on Inc DBA PE Lima Cantina so moved second Jackson moves member Pier second uh the motion to uh close the public hearing with respect to the potential issuance of an onsale liquor intoxicating liquor license and Sunday sale liquor license to guacon Inc DBA per Lima any further discussion regarding closing the public hearing all those in favor closing the public Hearing in this matter say I I I opposed carried the public hearing is closed is there a motion to approve the new on sale in toxicating and Sunday sale liquor licenses for guacon Inc DBA Pur Lima Cantina so moved moves member appear seconds the uh issuance of the um uh liquor licenses as described to guacon Inc DBA pearly MC Cantina any further discussion all those in favor of adoption of the motion of stated say I I I opposed carried uh the motion's approved uh for the issuance of on sale intoxicating and Sunday sale liquor licenses to guacon Inc and DBA P Lima Cantina that concludes uh those two public hearing related matters we have one more public hearing related man matter that uh our assistant city planner Emily Del rmle has for us and this involves the uh request for a conditional use permit and the variance for the what we know as the South Metro Public uh safety training facility on Brar Boulevard welcome Miss Del rmle thank you mayor and members of the council um the South Metro training facility is requesting a conditional use permit and a building height variance from 20 ft to 27 F 9 in to build a 3,00 or excuse me 5,536 ft tactical center training facility at 7525 Brar Boulevard the subject site is located within the larger 400 acre Brar parcel and the property is zoned R1 and is guided as open space in the comprehensive plan the proposed building is located within the existing fenon area of the South Metro training facility located just south of the fire training Tower and the main building in range the site for the proposed building is not visible from any public RightWay and the building was purposefully situated um adjacent to a wooded Hill to help screen the proposed building from public RightWay the proposed building will provide um indoor tactical Training Center space and indoor space for vehicle stop training and the center will be used for training that involves indoor outdoor scenarios and onene vehicle arrival training the proposed Building height is 279 in and the additional height is being requested above the allowable 20ft height requirement due to the nature of the building the training center building needs a minimum interior clear height of 20 ft to be to be able to create two-story scenarios inside whether they're training for residential or commercial scenarios the training involves going up and downstairs and the height allows for um overhead observation and training as well as this the stairs the pitched roof is also important to help move air to the peak of the building as the air exhaust points are at the high points of the roof and this will help facilitate heat removal but also help the aid of removal of smoke that's used in certain trainings the proposed building material is a metal siding or cor corrugated steel product and the proposed building is similar to other buildings that are on the subject site within the greater Brar parcel and again the way the building is situated it's not visible from anyy public right away way circulation of the site and access is not changing with the additional building there is associated parking being constructed with this proposed building but overall the site or this portion of the site lose two parking spaces and again these two parking spaces are within the controlled access area of the site and there is no additional parking requirements that are um required with this application the setback requirements are met with this proposed building in this application the setbacks are measured to the larger or the greater parcel lines and so the setbacks for this building roughly range roughly from 400 ft to about 4,000 ft um per the city code a conditional use permit should not be granted unless the establishment maintenance and operation of the use don't have IM adverse impact on governmental facilities utilities or propose improvements um will generate traffic that is within the capacity of the street doesn't have any adverse impact on public health or safety will not impede normal development conforms to The District in which it's located and is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan staff believes that all these criteria are met with the exception of the overall Building height which is the reason the applicant is requesting the variants the proposed project is located within the existing fenon area and the existing utilities are adequate to serve of the project the project will not generate any additional traffic it will not have any AD impact on public health safety or welfare the proposed building will enhance training opportunities of the property and it fits well within the site the use is allowed within the R1 district and the building will not be visible from public right of way the project meets city code requirements with the exception of the building height um and the project is consistent with the comprehensive plan this project also requires a 7' 9 in Building height variance and as you know Minnesota statute since Edina codes require certain conditions must be met for a variance to be granted and in this circumstance staff believes the criteria is met the application must relieve practical difficulties that um prevent reasonable use and the height of 27 ft 9 in is required to be able to create the twostory training scenarios the pitch of the roof is also important and included to help move air to the peak of the building um and help facilitate heat and smoke removal the second and third criteria is that the variants will correct extraordinary circumstances and these circumstances are unique to the property um staff believes that this is reasonable and the and this request is unique um due to the property and the nature of the property due to the training facility request and these circumstances are not applicable to other R1 zoned properties the fourth criteria is that the variance will not alter the essential character of the neighborhood staff also believes that this criteria is met and that granting the variants will not alter the character of the neighborhood the subject property is currently used for a variety of Public Safety and first responder trainings the size and the scale of the proposed building is similar to other existing buildings on the surrounding site and the larger Brar parcel and the location was chosen to be near the wooded Hill to provide additional screening the Planning Commission held a public hearing at their meeting on June 12th where they unanimously recommended approval of the project there were no comments um post posted on better together for the project and so tonight council is asked to hold the public hearing but also take action on resolution 202443 and that recommendation is to approve resolution 202443 approving the conditional use permit with a height variance for the South Metro training facility at 7525 RAR Boulevard and with that I can answer any questions um I believe Scott Neil can answer any questions if you have them and Ron beter from ortell architect is also here tonight to answer any questions good thank you m Del rimple anyone on Council have questions for M Del rimple remember rer this might be more for manager Neil but if we could just have you speak to the funding behind this project and also the import and my understanding is it's kind of a rare thing um I think that would be helpful thank you member rer members of council yes this is an interesting project from a lot of different perspectives it started uh really with some discussion in 2018 and 2019 in 2020 we we made a bonding Bill request to state government and received uh a million dollars in support uh that year the project went into design and and we started to get an pretty good understanding that that wasn't going to be enough money to build the kind of building that we wanted to build uh so we went back to the legislature and asked for an additional million and that was granted in 2023 um so that is what we expect uh and hope that that is the amount of money that's we're going to be able to spend and and on this project and complete the project for that if we don't there is a protocol in place for going back to each one of the owners and asking for additional support but that's where we are at this moment and right this is u a facility a training facility uh addition that's not uh very common um it will enable uh our EMS and law enforcement uh folks to do some training that is normally um done outside or or in other settings uh but this is close to home and we'll be we'll be really good for those folks to to for a training purpose and a quick go ahead a quick restatement of the owners the thank you uh Mr Mayor the owners of of the facility are the cities of Bloomington Edina and Eden Prairie and the Metropolitan airports commission we are the four uh members of The Joint Powers Authority um Ed serves as kind of the managing partner of the group so that's why we're doing this not only because it's in our our city but we are the actual recipient of the state Grant funds Our IT people our HR people our facilities people all play roles at at the facility um in terms of keeping it keeping it going and operating member member U excuse me m Neil so those um partners that you just listed those are all of the entities that are able to use this site is that correct um yes uh member AG new members of council yes they will be able to use this site we we do occasional training with other uh organizations as well but but the the the four ownership group the four members of The Joint Powers Authority are the will be the primary users of the facility okay thank you and then how often um is I would say maybe the overall training facility used any data points that you might have anecdotal or otherwise Chief milour would probably give you a a more precise estimate but there's somebody doing something in that building almost every day of the week including weekends uh this particular facility is dedicated more towards uh groups of of people that are training together um so there won't be a single person or something doing training in that building like you might see on a firing range um in in the in the main building itself but Chief melburn is there a more precise estimate that you would give yeah I I would Echo that I think uh it's fair to say every day we have training going on there classroom instruction occurring those owner agencies get priority and there are times when other agencies are allowed to rent out space as well so that's what provides the volume and the everyday use out of that facility other questions for the chief or Miss Del rle or um manager Neil no no I'm sorry ma'am this isn't a public hearing matter thank you um is oh yeah not not but the timing isn't right yet hold on for hold on for just a matter minute uh not a public hearing matter yet uh manager Neil anything further I I would also just let you know that Ron beter from ortell Architects is with us tonight if you have any questions about uh design or architecture for the building okay good all right any other questions from staff standpoint all right ma'am come on up we're going to open this up for public testimony and uh and uh eager to hear from anybody in the audience that's interested in um giving their thoughts on this proposed expenditure yes please please come up here ma'am it was just just a just a timing issue so thank you for your patience and um and remember to give your full name and address and I think you might have come in after director bener gave her instructions but you can see that lighting's in front of you there you'll you'll have three minutes to give us your comments and then when you see that yellow light come on you'll have about 30 seconds to wrap up your comments so we welcome your testimony and please give us your name and address my name is Foster I reside at 754 EDB way minesa go ahead Miss Foster okay I just wanted to ask as a question about the training facility because uh he indicated that they had to go back to the legislature and ask for an additional million dollars and I'm interested in knowing how did you underestimate that so substantially the budget that you would need uh thank you I think part of part of the issue was underestimating the construction uh cost I think another part of it was scope creep right there were some uh when when police and fire uh training officers got together they they tried to add more to the facility to make it a little bit bigger a little bit better and that was part of that was part of the issue as well so what makes you certain that you now have sufficient funding for that project uh because we are we've been doing some additional uh uh intelligence gathering in in the in the construction world and we think that our our numbers are better we really think our numbers are more are more precise and more researched this time yeah the the thing that was concerning me is the fact that I been listening to what has happened to Southwest Rail and how under budget they were are you familiar with that I am okay and so we see that that has created a huge predicament financially not only for the the participants who are coordinating all those finances but also for the community the taxpayers and I just want to make sure that we don't see another repeat of that where I have in my community can be impacted by it you will not see of something of that scale I can promise you that uh I can also tell you that the project uh has not gone out to bid yet so we uh the the council this Council will have a chance to examine the the the financing and the proposed cost of the project before they award a contract thank you for your response thank you m nice to see you thank you thanks to nice to have you here anyone else all right we have anybody online the mysterious caller has left but I do still have another caller caller if you'd like to testify in this public hearing please press star three on your telephone keypad that's the star symbol then the number three that will signal your desire to speak I'll unmute your line and you can make your comments not seen any response so I think it's it's safe for you to move forward all right we have been in the public hearing phase and again uh my apologies for my abruptness earlier with uh Miss Foster um we um have been requested to close the public Hearing in this matter uh today and to consider adoption of the resolution 2024 D20 -43 uh which would approve a conditional use permit with a height variance for the South Metro training facility is there a motion to close the public Hearing in this matter so moved second member Jackson moves member U seconds the closure of the public Hearing in this matter any further discussion all those in favor of closing the public hearing with respect to this matter say I I I opposed carried uh the public hearing is closed with regard to uh the potential adoption of resolution 202443 which could potentially approve a conditional use permit uh with a height variance for the sou Metro training facility the next thing that staff has uh suggested and recommended uh is the adoption of resolution 2024-25 25 Brar Boulevard is there a motion to that effect so move M Jackson moves member U seconds uh the adoption of resolution 202443 which would approve a conditional use permit issuance with a height variance for the South Metro training facility as described during testimony uh any further discussion all those in favor of adoption of the motion of stated say I I I opposed carried uh the motion to adopt resolution 202443 is approved thank you all right we we are going to move now beyond the uh public hearing portion of the agenda and uh the next matter uh that we're moving into is the um reports and recommendations portion of the agenda and the first matter in that portion of the agenda involves resolution 2024 45 which accepts donations uh would potentially accept donations to the city of Bina uh from various sources and we need a super majority 2third majority to approve these uh donations to the city is there a motion to adopt resolution 2024-25 so moved a second member Jackson moves member U second the adoption of resolution 2024 45 which accepts donations defined therein on behalf of the city of Vina any further discussion all those in favor of adoption of resolution 2024 45 accepting donations on behalf of the city of Adan say I I opposed carried the resolution 2024-25 is adopted the donations are accepted in this reporting period the police department uh this was something that the chief talked about uh in recent meetings and that is that we are getting a new therapy dog for the department and chief I don't know if you'd care to comment further on it the um the funding for it is coming from an organization called Heart of America woodles and it was a $2,600 uh value attached to that and that is for the therapy dog for the apartment or the department and then there's uh $110,000 for training that therapy dog and the Handler from an organization called soldier soldier so maybe you want to tell us a little bit about what's Happening Here sure thank you mayor members of council uh that we're really excited about this new therapy dog that's coming into our department it is uh relatively new around the region where uh these dogs will come into our organization and hang out and play a role uh 24/7 uh in in most cases we have a Handler that's going to be assigned to this dog and Handler will bring the dog back and forth but at times leave the dog behind and the dogs are intended just to be inside the office and create a climate or a culture where officers um can interact with the dog and it from you know research and Science and and background things that we've learned that that's a really good thing for a police department uh and particular law enforcement officers that are under stress a lot to have that support inside uh just to kind of help with things and needs that stress level so these uh these donations that came into us we're very excited about that we're very happy about that uh we take delivery on the dog in about a week and then training will start and that training will take about 3 months and then by the end of this summer uh the dog will be certified and ready to go and that dog will be a therapy dog internally for our department as opposed to being taken on uh mental health uh visits to to visit people is that correct well it's going to be kind of a combination uh mayor so we're going to start off with in-house and then as we develop out our alternative response team that's currently in uh in design and we're about ready to launch that uh we anticipate that this dog may then go out into the into the field and also be part of a response model later this year probably into next year as well other questions for the chief right yeah great uh great gift I'd say and wonderful opportunity for us uh and then of course uh we have other gifts usually to the park and recck department and we do again this reporting period uh all involved trees at this uh particular reporting period uh through $350 from Katrine Watney for a tree at brison Park Leah bolver and the highlands neighborhood $350 for a flowering tree on Aire Boulevard Island and then William Davis $350 for a Japanese maple at rosam Park and Andy warzak $1,500 for two spaded trees at York Park thank you to all those donors to the city of Edina and their names will be posted on the website uh the next matter in this portion of the agenda is um resolution 20 24-40 which potentially approves a preliminary resoning and overall development plan and site plan subdivision for 7235 France Avenue uh Addison Lewis Our Community Development coordinator has this matter for us this evening from an introductory standpoint and then we have uh the applicants available for questions as well and I think a potential update on some changes in the plan since meeting with the council a couple of weeks ago that's correct uh good evening mayor and Council um as you mentioned this is a request for preliminary resoning overall development plan site plan and subdivision at 7235 France Avenue which is the Macy's furniture site uh the staff recommendation tonight is to adopt resolution 2024-25 one to recommend approval of the request uh Council held a public hearing at the previous meeting on June 4th um the city continued to collect comments on better together until June 9th and those are included in your packet um just a reminder on the the with regard to our pyramid of discretion this is a rezoning to a planned unit development so the city has complete discretion on whether to approve or deny the project um the deadline for Council to take action on this decision would be Monday August 5th um and as mentioned the developer did submit some updated renderings um and things like that for the packet uh they are available here this evening to go over that for you they also have the ability to um pull up a 3D model to help answer any questions as well um and then I believe we also have mallerie Fitzpatrick from WSB who did the traffic and parking study available for questions also good uh do you want to bring the applicant forward to explain some of the proposed changes well they're getting set up uh Mr Le I want to thank you for going out to the site and uh marking some of those uh potential setback locations from the prominade so that we can understand it more thoroughly and then gentlemen as you present would you please uh identify yourselves and give us your business address good evening mayor members of the city council my name is Patrick Brahma uh 1660 South Highway 100 in St Louis Park Lucas if you want to introduce yourself quickly and Lucas Vantin with ESG architecture and design at 500 Washington Avenue south soon to be moving goad Mr R thank you Mr Mayor uh so members of the council we since as you know um we've gone through two public hearings recently we were with the Planning Commission about a month plus ago and then uh with the city council two or three weeks ago for for a public hearing um after both those meetings we made updates to the plans um following the public hearing with the Planning Commission we upgraded um a few features uh on The Pedestrian Crossing area that crosses over the center of the project can talk in detail about that if you like um they had a little bit to do with parallel parking adding Bullards and and really making it a pedestrian first and a safer Crossing area across the center of the site and we can zoom into that and talk about it in Greater detail um the other thing that we did uh in combination coming out of the Planning Commission and city council we added uh step backs on the east side of the East buildings along the prominade uh across the entire seventh floor we also um Notch down setbacks on the corners of those buildings actually down two floors uh just to create a a softer edge of the building along the prominade uh additionally we enhanced the architecture along the north side of the north buildings so in other words the view of the project from lungs that was one of the specific comments that came out of a the council uh public hearing and then in the center Corridor of the project on the north side of the Southwest Building there were some enhancements made to The Pedestrian level interaction on the on the north side of the Southwest Building so that's the high level um with that uh Mr cistin is available to go through this visually if desired all right thank you Mr cistin go ahead all right so I'll I'll swing through um we've got the model here and I'll I'll hit the views that where those adjustments were made so obviously you can see we're along France Avenue here the the sidewalk is no longer uh touching uh France Avenue so there's a continuous uh Boulevard condition here then we'll move in there was some discussion uh along this portion and hopefully it's pretty evident now that this is a you know a three-story datm and then it steps back and um just further describing the material here this is called a flex facade system it has kind of an uh uh sculptural pattern to it and it's also you can you can see through that and then more clearly showing what is a placeholder for a mural but the idea of a a mural here so that exact what exactly that is would be to be determined and then also added more transparency in in the facade here I think we met two weeks ago there was at least some of us had commented on that that sheer wall sort of effect and it looks like you've mitigated that by use of glass and then those um narrow Windows yes okay correct you back would you back up to the first slide again just for a moment absolutely back yeah back up to that view you know we had a we've had many comments from uh folks in the in the community about this pro and con and uh but one of the I thought one of the interesting uh observations and there were many but we got a young guy in our community happens to be in the audience this evening who's a landscape architecture student at Iowa State and one of the one of the issues he raised was did you give any thought to the uh Northwest and Southwest buildings being swapped so that the the taller building was to the North and the shorter building was to the South and I know we talked about this at one point in time in the process but maybe I thought you could you you could explain why you're proposing the taller building to the South and the shorter building to the north yeah Mr Brahma go ahead oh I did not oh there we go thank you uh I can respond to that mayor so the two buildings on the west side of the site so touching France um the we as for the sake of the public we've gone through um a process over the last roughly year and a half and had several touch points couple rounds of schematic planning um and through that process a couple things came out of it one um uh first uh there's a city standard I'm not going to name it correctly but there's a requirement of setback of a building and I don't know what the height the height is off the top of my head but taller buildings from single family residential uh neighborhoods the Northwest building is almost 100% in that setback area uh from the neighborhood to the Northwest across France so part of the reason why we didn't want the Northwest building to be quite as tall was to try to respect that rule the other thing that um occurred on this project which is the bigger factor and and I before I leave that point I should mention we never you know there is discussion on that topic but there's never a hard requirement from the city or the Planning Commission or city council that you like they weren't comfortable with um going higher on the northwest corner it was a kind of an open item but anecdotally it was a discussion point so I'm just identifying that that wasn't a discussion point we're trying to kind of respond to it never there's never totally clear Direction one way or the other so I don't want to put words in uh in any commissioner City Council Members perspective and then um the other bigger thing the main reason why we arrived where we did today is it has to do with a connection across France this site plan was adjusted and if we could we don't you don't need to pull it up right now Lucas but if anybody zoomed out and looked at this project and looked how it connected to the project across the road on the west side of France there's some intention with the center plazas that run through all these projects to be lined up so they could be linear so if someone was trying to walk through through those Center plazas through a future potential pedestrian connection that there' be a straight path and the results of that required the Northwest building on our site one of the pro buildings that you're referring to Mayor to be shrunk down the building footprint shrunk shrunk down to the point that we're having a difficulty parking it for anything higher than what it is right now um so our ability to go higher on that building is is constrained just due to the size of the footprint that we have available now okay thanks Mr Brahma Mr francisan go ahead all right there was some discussion last um visit on the North facade so I'll jump there we did do some considerable uh rework of that and obviously the parking lot is in the foreground and that is um doesn't make anything look great but but that's obviously not something uh on our site but you can you can see the uh the updates here you know this Mass has is largely uh similar to what it was before but as you move back you see that this is became a twostory there's a little bit of pushing pushing back um we did bring uh the brick up to these four stories and then added a little bit of that that wood look pergola here and so the overall effect fact I hope is um a little more pleasing uh and that you know the comment comments there will will be um that we'll we'll get some good feedback there or good comments there so on that um on that corner it looks like you use Podium uh processes there to push that that top floor back on the corner where it's where it's blue uh left side there yeah yes and we we did have that was that was there before uh on the corner here the these two portions did get get pushed back a little but the the corner here did did have a step previously can see that from the other view on the the Northwest building but on the uh the Northeast building we did we we changed some materials uh to make it a little more legible what the massing is and then did add the a step back here and then added some of that uh pergola material there might also talk a little bit about uh why you need those internal streets how those match up with the Southdale design experience guidelines and what they what purpose they serve from a functionality standpoint sure I can I can cover that or any one of us could but well obviously we the whole thing is working on this pedestrian East West uh so there's no cars there um obviously cars will will enter from France in two directions but what we're looking at here this North South Drive we're really relying on for a lot of things obviously we have front doors of the the these three Apartments there uh so that'll be pick off pick up and drop off it'll be Uber it'll be um uh the smiley face truck coming through here dropping off things for people but then also move in and trash uh pick up a lot of moveing can happen in the building uh certain amount of trucks will fit in there but um there's also the opportunity for that to happen if we want to uh block off a few spaces otherwise this does follow the it follows the typology um of the the street room here the intention that it's uh drop off and um functioning in that way all right m r member rer has a question for you as well sure um this has to do with moving and vans and you were saying a certain number will be able to use the um buildings parking underground for moving in is what amount of movein vehicles do you anticipate having to be on the street that's a good question and I know it's a I don't know if you want to answer that or I know they're a smaller B I mean a a U-Haul typical U-Haul on the smaller side would fit inside it wouldn't fit inside the Northwest building according to your information that you provided it says that only Vehicles A and B which means pickup trucks and cargo vans oh and so for 124 units um every single one of those about 100% is going to have to be on the street and that's for your Northwest building and then when I looked at um the Northeast building and looked at the trucks that you showed uh you have to put on really thick Rose Colored Glasses to get to about 50% being able to use the parking and um I did actually personally experience moving I had to move my daughter this weekend with a 15t truck from a small one-bedroom apartment to another small one-bedroom apartment and when I I look and see that perhaps that's supposed to be large enough for a two-bedroom I think that's being super optimistic um when it comes to the Southwest Building and um the Condominiums only six of those out of the 59 would be able to park in your underground facilities I might I might call Mr will let up who who will answer this better and who made those diagrams I can I can touch any of you guys if you want to yeah if I can um if I may council member um just to make sure so I can respond to movein uh the movein the movein exhibit and which I think is kind of the line of questioning but I also just want to offer if we're talking about parking for like number of units and parking count and where the parking is happy to respond to that too maybe that's not the question that's not the question okay perfect so I'll focus on the the movein then so the parallel parking should be able to handle three larger trucks in each parallel parking Bay so you could have six movein occurring at one point in time at least that's the intent um the height uh you're correct of three of the four buildings is tall enough to accept smaller movein trucks um so that's you know a good a portion of the movein can occur in the buildings the remaining portion would occur within those parallel parking stalls in the North and South uh uh road that runs through the middle of the site and and we don't disagree um you know kind of the nature of a mixed to use walk bow kind of dense development there will be a little bit of congestion occurring and that's that's part part of it and something we're prepared to handle I am concerned about the garages not being able to handle larger Vehicles not just for moving but you know you'd have to park in the street to deliver a mattress you know you'd have to you could see things needing to be delivered that would be a common occurrence especially since we're talking 572 units total and then you've got delivery trucks you've got Amazon you've got all kinds of vehicles going through the food people I can't remember their name Who deliver anyway um it is a concern happy go ahead Mr Brown yeah I Rec um respect the concern um uh where was I going sorry I oh um what I was going to mention one of the big outcomes of the Planning Commission discussion which I think was a good discussion is originally on our plans that parallel parking area uh looked and felt and in kind of of unintentionally looked like it was programmed for just regular parking we we're we've updated our plans and the intention is that that's striped off staging area that doesn't allow um uh uh just public parking for just regular Vehicles so understood your comment um we the intention is to be able to have six larger delivery trucks delivering at one time and have space dedicated for that at any given time that's our intention and I understand that might not satisfy your concern well can you can you regulate that through your uh management of your properties that's a fair point I wish I would have said that yeah I mean a lot of these projects that are in kind of the denser shared space environment you have to schedule your movein you know and so it's not like it's a free-for-all um so I think there's a balance of scheduling there's a balance of programming like we mentioned uh on site um of of the programming of the space to making sure that's not being used incorrectly uh but obviously there there will be a scenario where someone pulls up for a delivery then they're not scheduled we all know that that does happen and will happen um so I think balancing that with scheduled visits while keeping some stalls available for those unexpected visits would be the approach that we take collectively as a is a development and the smaller deliveries for like the smaller delivery trucks you know not large semi or larger movein ones uh smaller delivery should be able to handle be handled in at least two of the three build two of the four buildings if not three of the four buildings should be able to handle smaller delivery trucks thank you for that all right Mr Francis go ahead okay from there I'll move to the prominade uh side of the building and what we what we did here on on both of these buildings is sculpted them a little more tried to uh push back the corners a little you can see uh that at this corner this used to go up the idea here is to add another another step back and to add a a little more of that warm uh warm wood look in the in the pallet then I'll move to that look like a change in the in the base material too um Earth on that uh Southeast corner I think we did have a two two story this would two stor of and that that material is is that a stone material right right that's the that's the uh the cast stone and then moving to the center we changed this so that this is all all the wood that that would look and then also uh did an additional step back at this corner and added that that feature also so those are the the main uh updates in the massing and the the materials from from the last time we did bring a material sample board I don't know if you want me to walk through that and you can see it I can kind of walk through the logic of it a little bit if you'd like well why don't you walk through the logic of it uh from your perspective and if any council member wants to see the material board we can do that not not just look at the electronic material board I'm going to help Lucas as he's jumping into this I asked him to look at the southeast corner of the southeast building so against the prominade we added a larger step back here as well we went down two floors here and made sure it was extended across the entire seventh floor he's a little bit close there but um just wanted want you to be aware that we added a step back on this corner as well and it in the renderings that we included in your packet highlight that that view sure yes member rer um and thank you if you could stay on this image I'd really appreciate that um and what we're looking at is showing the 9M Creek Trail which is a multi-use trail for bikes um pedestrians and I am concerned I feel as if and I know with the trail they do have a three-foot buffer and as I look at that image it appears as if there's encroaching going on with the staircase coming down from the patio in that space that is the buffer for the trail and then you've got plantings there it really reminds me of what happened along um Valley View Road in front of v44 where um the public cretive way was encroached upon and you have a staircase coming down and you have plantings um and it it really does present the um very visually it is taking over that space and making it appear as if it belongs to a private development when in fact it is public space and for a bike multi-use path sometimes you have to go off the path because you're encountering other people and so not seeing the grass that is there now um is very disconcerting and I am concerned it's a safety issue to have a Stairway leading down right onto the 9M Creek Trail and I I didn't see anything in the packet um from anyone from The Three Rivers um Park District signing off on this has there been discussion about these staircases and I'm you know you've got the railing that's metal as well um and that that's the public right of way that's so um I and I have concerns there I'm also concerned that the plantings spill over and present the illusion that land that is part of the prominade and part of Edina is part of this private development remember Risser can speak to the three vers this is Chad uh engineering director we're sending everything to them and before we would approve any permits we would get their Buy in because they have a license agreement for this Trail and just like you said that doesn't meet their criteria for their Trail used to have any sort of impacts within those buffer zones so we wouldn't approve any permits before they approved the plans along their Trail okay so this is the preliminary site plan sign off they have seen the staircase coming down from the decks and the railings and they've approved all that no they haven't I'm saying we wouldn't issue permits we wouldn't allow this to happen they wouldn't allow it to happen because they have that license for those buffers along the trail so maybe it's a graphical Mr or Miss sure can you hear me yeah Terry Minar a principal Confluence uh landscape architecture and planning uh 901 North Third Street Minneapolis um so yeah representative schematic um in the sense of what it's representing I think it's pretty easy for us to step back that railing and move it back we've also heard in process that it's really important to kind of make this landscape seem seamless if we were to cut it right on the property line it almost seemed foreign and wouldn't seem like the property development Blends in um we did that along the prominade as well with those major large setbacks that we have so I think that's an easy solution here we also did talk about the idea of creating even a more dense buffer in between uh we do think however though that sight lines are critical you know if somebody is coming out of their place and how it connects to that that it's important for them to see it we don't think that that's going to be a high traffic area for people moving out maybe one or two residents at you know specific times of the day but that's an easy fix council member rer we can fix that pretty simply Mr Lewis would you come up please so to member R's concern um uh hypothetically if the preliminary site plan were approved by the council tonight uh we still could deal with this in final stages in terms of getting an approved develop not a development plan but a an approved Landscaping plan between now and final approval correct they would come back with those revised plans they'd have to comply with you know all the comment that Chad mentioned that's in the engineering memo they'll have to make those changes and make sure they comply with that and with what three rivers wants to see it appears so the edge of the patio is way too close to the trail I mean are you saying you're going to move the patio Ed I think it's a perception in the model with kind of the fishey lens here you know I did look at the diagrams though and it it looks like it's super super close um and that's another point though used to seeing plans where there's a scale and I I didn't see a scale on your plants maybe it's super T tiny but um that would have been very helpful however when I look at the plant it looks like it's about the width of a door and so that's pretty narrow I think it's more than that I think it's beyond 10 feet in what we were showing but we did meet with Three Rivers though on our own um and I think the only recommendations they have were to actually widen the the trail as part of this process process um for their access um but I so they have seen these plans so but we can I can get that measurement and get that to you that exact distance because I know we've we thought about it thoughtfully in the sense of we recognized in Planning Commission somebody felt it was a little too close so we went back and we actually adjusted the plans move the trail back even further so I think you know it's definitely more than 3 feet or the width of a door so but we can get you that Dimension and and I think it could be something that could be conditional where we'll go back and adjust that to that that distance or whatever you want can you get me the dimension tonight yeah I could probably check on the model yeah so been assisting anything further with respect to kind of project updates uh nothing with the 3D model other than the material board we can run through it quickly if you'd like yeah go ahead well he's grabbing the dimension you know obviously you can see there's a good bit of you know whites to Grays you can actually put oh okay move the computer and just lay it on the tabletop are you able to switch me over or do I do that uh this is perfect I can see up here perfect thank you well you can see we're we're looking to lean you know contemporary in the pallet you see kind of the base Middle top happening a lot with the tripartite expression and then you know a lot of the cast stone and the brick at the base and then obviously on France you see that coming up um there are a lot of whites and Grays you know those are intended to be we call them kind of restful materials where uh there's not a lot of Pop to them intentionally so the building doesn't get get too loud uh those are intended to to lean a little bit warm uh but then you'll you'll obviously see the the pops of of wood tone which this will just be an extruded aluminum um but have that wood um uh patterning on it and then also on the the the apartment buildings you see this blue color which um you know we've done other we've done other buildings uh here where we have use the the Dina green for a for a pop of color here this this blue is intended to you know read a little bit with the sky and a little bit with water sometimes in the renderings it shows up a little bit too you know a little saturated so it's good to see the the actual sample here um to to see how that reads with with the pallet but you can see overall the sort of a muted um muted colors and then obviously those those pops of of the warm wood and the the regal blue uh in in certain places if you have any questions on that yeah I've got a question for Mr Lewis that's why I'm sitting back down so I get close to the microphone so this to me might be akin to the Landscaping plan between preliminary and final If This Were approved but you know one of the I think one of the challenges for this site is that you're facing a Commercial Street on the west side and you're facing nature on the east side and so you're trying to figure out how to make all of that work and to me on the nature side you want to be using colors that are compatible with nature and stone in the material I mean of stone I think works really well but so I'm like I'm uncertain about the blue color you know and and so the question would be if the site plan were approved uh but we wanted to modify some of the colors between preliminary and final and have that discussion can we can we do that or are we approving we're approving materials uh tonight as well all all the materials um I believe that you that's within your discretion to approve different materials if if there to make changes um you would have the opportunity to deny it at final if you felt wasn't consistent with that preliminary but I believe that is within your discretion to approve those minor changes at final approval okay all right uh one of the other issues that folks have raised that live testified I guess at the public hearing uh the the Coventry Town Homes were you know the sight line uh and I don't know if anybody's looked at that issue Mr Vantin but you know what would somebody that lived over at Coventry and of course that stretches out for uh several blocks what would somebody see uh from that location or from the park uh in the distance because it's right it's you know it's a distance from Coventry Town Homes but nonetheless they've expressed at times they're concerned about seeing it on the horizon and I did prepare that view or a view I need to switch back over there we go yeah and obviously we didn't well you'll see but we I did not model Coventry accurately so forgive that um you can kind of see where where we are here and folks that live there know exactly what that would be um and obviously the trees are not the the trees are somewhere you know between 0 40 50 ft tall between so that's obviously not modeled exactly accurate but I think this at least gives an idea of you know what you what you might see there and I can kind of move up a little just to give an idea of where that particular Viewpoint is from obviously if you move closer you'll see a little more we're about Midway there so if you move back you see less so Mr monar were you say something I was just going to say that the model doesn't quite accurately represent that end of Centennial Lakes it's quite dense and full of trees you would however the the tops of the building that's what you would see from that view even a lot of the pictures along the prominade like council member Pierce took um you can definitely see there's a lot of trees there's a lot of vegetation that's beginning to screen we did have feedback that maybe it's on our best interest to start to burm up some of that edge condition even plant more denser trees um I think there is a nice Synergy between the prominade and the landscape that we're proposing but it's pretty easy to increase the number of trees that we're showing there but that end of Centennial Lakes is quite dense and you can't even see it from when you're in Centennial Lakes uh out towards the prominade it's like almost like a point of Discovery as you get through the vegetation so ever appear uh thanks Mr um so I I do think that that that's a challenge and it's more so I I think throughout the whole site and the the challenge is it this project it is so complex that it's hard for people to understand what how to experience it how they're going to experience it uh we just talked about what Coventry would see um if you're on the prominon and you are sitting on a bench behind 71 France like and I think and then when you walk towards the Macy's site right we're getting emails from from residents who feel as though when this building is constructed it's going to be constructed right on the prominade but it's not and so how do you that these buildings are further from the prominade than the district parking ramp at Pinstripes and 71 France by a significant amount right almost three times as far from the existing promanade and then you're recommending that we're going to extend or create more prominade but in your visuals people see the extension and it feels like that's the prominade and so I somehow it this is a preliminary right your preliminary vot but we got to solve that right moving forward people have to understand what it's going to feel like what they're actually going to see um because that that in all honesty makes makes it really difficult for us and we're talking to to Residents as well yeah I totally understand that the hard part when you go to show a project is when you put all the trees in place nobody can see the project so Architects tend to selectively pull landscape out so you can actually see what the character feels like on a building you know even in the C Central Courtyards we've pulled out a lot of landscape just so you can get the feel for the architecture so I totally understand that and I think there is a way we could do this um is to actually take a photograph and then superimpose the building and behind it and people would see that you barely see the building with what's there today let alone what we're adding you know I've done a similar thing with one of my first projects I ever did was with uh Carlson properties on 394 they wanted to do a parking ramp in the woods and wanted to see what it felt like and surprisingly it looked exactly like the rendering at the end of the day you could barely see the ramp because but people were very concerned that you'd see this parking ramp that is one of the things I Patrick and I talked about we were able to superimpose it um so that you could from a point on the prominade that is existing today so if you stand on this yellow Square and you look North here's what it's going to look and feel like to you um and I do I did think that these um drawings at least started to help me understand where the existing promonade is and where you're extending it uh but you still can't experience it but you can certainly see where 71 France is um and which half the distance yeah yeah and then where these new building proposed buildings I think some of the confusion before too was that we weren't showing the south side of the prominade we were showing the north side so people thought that was the path and then the other path was right next to our building which it wasn't you know the bike path is even further away so that led to some confusion as well so and uh council member rizer uh we looked it up it's about 5 feet but we can increase that distance how will you do that CU you're are you going to elate the patio then or we can work with the patio or we can also talk to Three Rivers about the the alignment of the path as well so the the patio could in inset slightly or you the stairs are nice but and we can bury the stairs into the patio as well right yeah so remember I'm sorry so 3T is the buffer and then you're 2 feet beyond the buffer currently the way showing in the drawings in the renderings yeah but we can we can take a hard look at that and make it if there's a set distance you want it to be at we can talk to Three Rivers about that as well Jackson yes thank you Mr Mayor so I think this might be a good time for me to ask about the um impervious surfaces because I think as we're moving along the prominade right now it's grass and we're looking at a lot of sidewalks going in and you've got the sidewalk of the prominade can you talk a little bit about whether there's a way to increase impervious surface and get rid of some of the sidewalks or what the purpose of sidewalks serve yeah we were just trying to make a strong some of the first things we heard when we went to the city and people we talked to and early meetings was that they really wanted this to feel like it was an extension of the prominade so there's this real concerted effort about trying to make a multiple points of access to kind of pull people through the development and connect them to the prominade since then when we've kind of talked to the park board and stuff and and met uh with Council and Planning Commission that well maybe it's a few too many access points so we're more than willing to create less access points maybe three key ones one in the center one on the one in the North End one on the south end and then increase buffering as well if needed um we do think that the paracity of it is kind of of a nice feel along the walking path but that's our perception if people want that to be denser we can easily do that with the materials that are in there it's kind of a mix we have a mix of kind of like Hardscape because we have to have some specific Hardscape for the fire trucks to be able to turn around that kind of creates that thickness there that we probably wouldn't want to have we probably wouldn't want to path that wide but we can also begin to address that by putting in some secondary materials that are maybe a little more porous more sustainable kind of capturing water versus just running it off that sort of thing as well so what I'm looking at are really three different areas so along the prominade you're adding lot of sidewalks and I know that the restaurant is there and you'll want to have some cafeteria outside but it seems like a lot of those sidewalks are redundant to the sidewalk of the um prominade um and that makes it feel more urban from what's there now and then the interior prominade has a lot of little islands and one of I love Centennial Lakes but in front of the Hughes Pavilion where those circular Planters are it's just I don't want that effect at all it's it's hard to snow shovel it's hard to walk around it's not welcoming so the extent that you can in the interior I know you've got to get the fire trucks through in the various places but if you can increase that um paracity you know and then on the Southwest Building again you've got the bike trail the sidewalk or the car the street and then more sidewalks and so every time you put a piece of cement down it feels more urban so I think that's part of the perception as well that it's like well the feels like the um prominade is shrinking because suddenly we've got a lot more sidewalks through there yeah and I again I think it's a perception thing because we're way off the prominade trail when our actual Trail starts we have connections that tie into the prominade but they're set back 10 plus feet before our trail start the thickness of that one right in the middle again is the firetruck turnaround which is a requirement that could be just a big ugly Hammerhead but we tried to make it look like something better right um and then as you move through we're trying to break up that 20 foot wide width again and we can try to extend some of those islands so they don't feel like little dots of landscape like you're talking about and I think we've done that for the most part but we're also trying to provide areas for people to sit and gather and you know socialize as well in that environment um and then the other Trail on the south side of the northwest a Southwest building that's was kind of a requirement of the connector potentially underneath France and the 50ft easement cuz we do have the N Creek Trail on the south side of Gallagher but we have to repeat it to get people along through that Corridor which was a request made to us I think in our perfect world we'd reduce that Corridor and put 20 more feet in the Central prominade and then Mr Mayor wouldn't really be questioning us about the size of the space because it'd be a lot wider um but I think that that allows us access to that Green Space allows us secondary access where people don't have to cross Gallagher at its busiest point and can make that connection to the prominade from The Underpass or overpass potentially in the future so that's why that's there yeah that's helpful um thank you member U hopefully it's just a quick and easy question um right now um again just remind me what the current percentage of EV Chargers is for residents specifically and I know we had talked about um wiring for more I want to understand where are we at today and what would be the maximum that we could achieve and what's the impact of like wiggle room on that I'll member um EV charging I know at the city code requires I believe 5% off the bat charging stations ready to go with with chargers uh stalls with chargers Chargers I think City cold also requires another 5 or 10% of stalls to run conduit and be prepared for charging we will be meeting those minimums one things that and we're aware of them and it's part of our budget one thing that we're investigating internally is actually providing more we are looking forward and feel that the demand will only increase over time so um happy to respond to any specific requests but we acknowledge the base requirement and and we're investigating more at this point okay thank you that that is really where my question was going I think that we have a little bit of catching up to go um with our current code and reality um can you speak to um you know 30 years down the road would we be able to achieve with some flexibility 100% or 50% or like what are the possibilities within the the con constraints of the parking ramps as we currently are going to be having them I can take the first swing and then I'll turn it over to partner developer on the project here um constraints uh so the ability to add part add additional EV charging in the future is there um something that we want to be prepared for as well some the initial constraints is the sizing of your uh Transformers on site and sometimes we have to use set different Transformer systems for these these Char car charging I don't know how it'll be set up through Excel on this particular project but um what could happen and I'm just trying to cut to the chase based on your question here we could set this up for say 15% car charging or 20% or whatever it may be and someday we need 30 or 40 or whatever in that event we'd have to be upgrading the Transformer and rerunning additional conduit or lines down into the basements or the parking structures to upgrade that achievable um but to your point it's not part of the initial program not something we're afraid of this is a normal circumstance in every project we work on so I think we have flexibility Mr louser is that similar to your yeah good evening Ben Lous lifestyle communities 4938 Lincoln drivey D Minnesota um on the Southwest Building specifically and I think similar to what Patrick's team has looked at for other buildings that they've developed in the past this is a continually evolving marketplace where more things are being 100% EV or the plug-in hybrid um we've been seeing tremendous change in evolution in um options for the charger types we've been dealing with our um our electric uh subcontractors on planning kind of that forward thinking total infrastructure buildout um if anyone's familiar with kind of the Tesla supercharging stations that are in place now throughout this Metro and other places that's generally how that system will evolve over time they may not need to do a second Transformer there may just be an understanding as more people have EV needs in the garage that as you add additional Chargers if everyone's charging at the same time everyone can but the overall power surge or the longevity of time that it takes to charge right now is probably going to increase some and I think over time as those Chargers continue to evolve systems get better cars demand for that electricity evolve as well that buildout becomes a little bit easier to contemplate than right now we're seeing such a surge in manufacturers creating more vehicle types we've at least simplified the type of charger that will be used moving forward so I think that thing is continuously on our mind on the condominium part will easily meet that minimum we're seeing even an other product that we're developing we have more and more people where they have an EV charge uh EV ready car or not they're at least asking us to provide one to their designated stall up front because they know that it will eventually be a demand again whether it's a plug-in hybrid version or a full EV vehicle member Jackson yes thank you Mr Mayor so I have a structural question a lot of people have written in concerned about the sewer capacity here and I believe that a re realignment of the sewer line is part of this project could you tell us some about that please that' be a question for director Milner yeah I can speak to that yeah great so today on the northeast corner of the property we have a sewer line City owned sewer line that cuts Kitty corn across the property so it really impacts their Northeast building so we reviewed it we looked at the model and the grades and they could realign it and we're requiring that as part of the project just to realign the sewer pipe around that Northeast building and tie back into the mainline sewer that goes down the prominade to the east towards Richfield so it's a condition of approval tonight if if you do it it's part of our memo and they have to realign that pipe and will it be have sufficient capacity um for this project and maybe for future projects is it change of capacity whenever we look at realigning sanitary sewer pipes we go to our consultant and identify the proper size for the pipes for our future models okay terrific thank you didn't we really go through that recently with uh Richfield and increased capacity in southeast we have a lot of capacity at the border with Richfield there's just different ways that the flows get there and this is one of them but we're adding capacity on York over the next few years to offload some of the capacity that weaves all the way around and comes through this Macy's site so there's an opportunity to upssize a little but then we're also just going to relieve this pipe with some future improvements next year on York Avenue You' had some reservations about sewer capacity here like he did over off 169 Bren Road I assume you would have told us we Have No Reservations here there's plenty of capacity for this project questions um I was out there today and took a photo I wanted to have you guys address this issue it deals what we were just talking about the uh 9mile Creek Trail on the south side of the existing building and uh just to the north of the trail there's some beautiful 50ft trees and it would be terrific to hang on to those trees I'm not making any assumptions about what's going to happen here on a vote but if if this were approved uh is is there an opportunity to protect these trees or or do you see these trees coming down this is along the south side of 9 Mile Creek Trail this this this yeah well you can see this Trail right to the it's a North Side the trail is right to the left there right I'm just yeah I'm trying to get my bearings here it's yeah yeah it's on the south side of the project and you can see the you can see the Macy's Home Store bunkered in there on the right yeah yeah there it is I I think definitely um that we can take a look at that um there's obviously a restriction barrier for the 9mile creek trail is kind of the edge of the property that construction would have to respect that so I think we could definitely take a look at how this works and as we get further away from where it connects to the prominade the trail actually deviates further away from the property um just by its natural curve that it follows today um being on the south side of Gallagher so I think that does possibly provide us some opportunity to take a look at those it's different with every type of tree um the root structure and the root systems um certain trees uh Evergreens would be a little bit easier but other trees with a big you know D line or large canopy will have root systems that will expand that distance and any kind of impact on that may have some impact on the tree so it's particularly Oaks and and certain species but okay what I what I hear you're saying is that something we could potentially between preliminary and final yeah all right okay I just want to emphasize all of those trees on your on the documents that we reviewed all of these trees are um marked for being eliminated along the trail we can take a look at it for sure mayor thank you mayor uh noted on the concern um we also share the same motivation if we can keep trees we want to keep them we think these are beautiful trees and obviously add to the environment that we want to um honor and be a part of um noted on the current plan that's showing the removals uh for the sake of transparency because I've tried to be this way the the entire time we've been working with you guys on this project um obviously it's a d site there's a lot going on these spaces and corridors will get tight during construction um and so we're going to have to take a hard look at what space we have available I actually would like to take a second look at the tree removal plan and see if there's anything that we can save whether it's on the south side or on the east side of the site against the prominade if we can incorporate that we will um but we'll investigate it the only thing I can do I you know right here we can't commit to exactly what that means but we will investigate it and work with City staff and come back with results at for final assuming we move forward for final approval and to add to that the city's report did indicate the number of trees being removed versus the number of trees going in was well over what was required so we will be adding some back in and maybe that is if they do get impacted in some way just because of alignment we could maybe talk about a larger species of tree I know the city of Idina requires specific 4in calber trees of a certain number so there will be some larger trees definitely going into this project as well there is also the discussion with 9mile about widening that trail but there request so depending where that falls um could have some impact on those trees as well because they are pretty tight to that trail okay all right yeah they are um so when we get over on the east side uh remember Pierce has some questions for you about you know that that what you tried to achieve is a kind of a seamless transition between public realm and private property and so people walking along the prominade for example would be sort of invited in and the restaurant is there and oh that's a good idea but when you walk out there now there's there's some benefit and people have pointed this out to some of the Privacy elements of it I think member Pierce has some questions about that um well go ahead y oh um and then um Mr Brown you and I also talked about this um so I think there's kind of two comments one when we were talking about the trees I do think it would be wise to do a um an analysis if we're replanting trees to figure out well what height do those trees need to be uh in order to provide screening given where the proposed building might be and where you might be standing on the prominon uh because while some of those trees are 40 50 fet um day one they may not need to be cuz you can't put a you can't replace it with a 50ft tree uh but you might find that a certain type of tree at 20 ft might actually provide the screening because the building is further away than um say like 70 where 71 France is on the prominade um and so I I think we will have some requirements of size of trees that you replant um it actually would be better to be really strategic in where that's done right and so I'm not suggesting that that you wouldn't be strategic but we should be really planful and think through uh size of tree and where those might be um and then along the prominade where um today there are uh where's my not uh Mounds or burms um that provide that natural feeling of um separation um and so we for sure want to be able to to to either keep that or add that kind of um Landscaping um to provide like the mayor was saying both things if you're on the trail that feeling of you're on the trail right versus and then when you get to a certain spot where it opens up and you've extended the prominade and you want to activate that to have people come in um to then just be very strategic and creative in how we accomplish both of those things but doing it with with landscaping and not with with with fences and concrete and those types of things yeah council member Pierce um it's super critical for us to make that landscape feel seamless like that and a lot of those areas where we're providing that buffer between the existing Trail and that secondary Trail on the property the intent was to burm a lot of those areas we do show some areas that might you know accent the prominade with with what it could offer that um but also the reduction of possibly a couple entry points will allow us to extend that Landscaping as well and you're totally right about the types of trees in the selection I think it's a good balance of whether it's coniferous or deciduous faster growing trees versus slower growing trees the caliper inch size and if you think about a six foot height as you're looking at a 20 foot tall tree what you're going to see beyond that you know obviously in winter it's different than it is in summer but you know for a coniferous tree it's going to block a lot of The View as would in the summer it would as a deciduous Tre would as well yep yep that's exactly what I'm referring to thanks member Jackson yesk this dialogue is causing people to think of other things they want to ask about so at um last meeting we talked about um the west side of the property and the sidewalk that runs along there and concerns about ADA accessibility and you know I had talked about and I think one of the testifiers talked about having a ramp like sidewalk instead of the stair the sidewalk along France and then the stairs going up I noticed you didn't change that can you sort of talk through the reasoning on that please for ease of modification of a model in a short period of time yeah okay we accomplished one of your your things to request the the kind of the transitional sidewalk along France to have a bit of a buffer we've addressed that and the next step we'll be doing is looking at that ADA accessibility more Clos closer and adj into the building to provide that secondary means of access that kind of separates the uses of the restaurants with the landscape and the street um couple things come to mind is that you know it could all be a temporary landscape too if the underpass ever goes through or overpass of any kind so there's some thought there too but we've thoughtfully uh put some effort into thinking about how that could work in a not not necessarily the same way because I'm not a big fan of lens berley one but I think that we could do something a little more elegant that meanders through the landscape to to pull people away from the main circulation sidewalk yeah the one thing about the Lun barley is the quietest uh foot path along France I remember walking there and I we shouting and then we got to P like we got regular inside voices then and then we started shouting again when we got in front of the Macy's store so that's one thing I really like but um so you're kind of thinking that um well and as you say it will all be moot if we dig it up but having a two sidewalk approach as opposed to merging them into one we definitely heard what you said about that being a commuter sidewalk versus a you know Shopper pedestrian experiencer kind of sidewalk closer to the building so yeah that's the intent okay and and I think I think you know what you're s that's such a even a thin barrier at Lens byly think about what we have here how much more you know shelter and sound that'll provide in that sense for sure and then unrelated to that but um to the mayor's comments at the last meeting on the north side of that Northwest building um the parking that's there um is can that be adjusted to be parallel parking instead of nose in parking okay yeah we we're willing to make that change if that's the direction of the council yep no problem okay terrific thank you going to ask you about that one if you wanted to raise that again uh member rer then member Pierce building off of member Jackson's question about the Ada accessibility can you elaborate on what you mean um by you mentioned a restaurant so just kind of walk me through or roll me through how somebody in a wheelchair would get up to the prominade that you're creating is that one this one right now oh perfect that's f um I can drive here as well so currently uh there's a restaurant on this side of the building and on this side of the Northwest building Southwest and Northwest those would um have walkways that will travel along the front the restaurant opportunity will wrap into the central prominade on both sides I think even on this side there might be some opportunity for how that might connect or have some view sheds over to the intersection as as well um but these sidewalks are these pass through and that's what we've been talking about with council member Jackson making this a pretty clear designated pedestrian flow uh we have the opportunity to as we connect currently we haven't connected this because the privacy and we didn't know how much it want to be public but we have the opportunity to be able to slope up and connect to that walkway that'll engage you into the Central Plaza space and on the same thing on the other side is it comes down and connects as well the ability to be able to slope down and get down to sidewalk level as well very similar to lens berle's but you know um you would enter through the restaurant no no no outside the the front of the restaurant so you'd be you'd be in front of the building um on the Southwest Building and on the northwest building the same thing you'd be in front traveling in front of the restaurant and the restaurant's patio would be separate but how and no there that I'm I'm not seeing how you get from France the sidewalk on France so when we when we're on France here we'd come over to this location to the corner of the building there'd be a sidewalk that would travel up and get at the same elevation as the Central Plaza here and then as once we got by that I don't know what happened did I oh oh and once we got by that then the same thing would happen here once we got by the patio we'd start to slope down again so current L what you're seeing is a sidewalk in front of the restaurants on both sides but what we would do we'd add a ramp to that in both locations we don't have enough space in the center to ramp up directly and most of the pedestrian flow would be coming either from the North or the South that would engage that Central Plaza follow on member rer so if you were if you were coming from the East with friends or whatever some of you are walking some of you are rolling you would not go down to C you would not stay together down to Central you would go in a different but I suppose you could all go along the restaurant path okay thank you and to be to be honest the central axis is almost more for View and character than it would be used because everybody's going to be coming from the north to the South until a potential underpass or overpass happens there um so all the pedestrian traffic will be flowing from North and South similar to lunp Rel you know there's no Central kind of access point that anybody's getting to they they're coming from the North or the South just a comment this we are breaking away from Standard Process um in that we have received a lot of information about changes after the public hearing and I was surprised to see so many new documents that were part of the packet and so um I've been kind of hustling to understand and wrap my head around the changes um I I feel as if we are a really short circuiting process well we member Pierce I was just GNA respond go ahead uh just a a quick response um to member R's comments um a lot of the the new documents I I think they've come because of comments and feedback we've heard from residents um I have um and this isn't about me but I use myself as an example going out to the site multiple times over the past few weeks um all of us reading the emails hearing the questions and then going back to the developer to say all right here's what we're hearing is there show me this help me understand what this looks like or feels like on site and then because of that new documents are are drafted to help explain more um and so I actually appreciate a um the back and forth and trying to really help come up with with more clarity around what we're looking at versus just using the original documents there's another aspect to it too I think Mr Brahma um in visiting with you once don't you come up to the podium please um between the meeting we had a couple weeks ago and tonight my understanding is you've also met with the neighbors yeah is that correct Mr Mayor that's correct yes we met with the HOA uh the York um HOA and then virtually they were they invited the Coventry um uh uh development as well so yes last Friday we we did a about a three hour two three hour meeting all right what I apologize I didn't send out the invite uh York did and I I was a a guest so that would maybe I missed understood what they said so I apologize if that was inaccurate but that was my understanding apologies if that's inaccurate right thank you um well we've got a couple of different resolution proposals here for 202 24-40 one is an approval one is a denial and I'm thinking that you know there's a couple ways we could approach this we could we could start uh by having a general conversation about people's thoughts on the project uh or we could start with a motion one way or the other and see where that goes it strikes me that it might be more fruitful and productive to have a conversation amongst the council members so we can hear different perspectives on this before we get to the resolution phase um and so um for no particular reason I think because you were the last one to ask questions member Richard do you want to give us your thoughts on what you you know what you're thinking about from having been involved in this for the past few weeks sure um I think you know when this this is a project that is complex and if we could go to an image that shows the whole site that would be really helpful um the Macy's lot encompasses streets existing streets and then proposed new streets and um it does have the bike trail and I remember I I was going back I went back to the very first um sketch plan proposal where there wasn't awareness of a bike trail and so we've really moved um and progressed in you know um through a lot and uh you know we've gotten to this point but I am concerned about the process that we are using um and I'm concerned about the scale of the project and I think these two are interconnected because um although in our code it says buildable land means all land except Wetlands public Waters and land dedicated for streets um we when we calculate how many residents per acre um can go on a site we include the space that is occupied by streets and so um that's I think really one of the reasons and I've been thinking a lot about development in Edina and how there is a narrative that there's a fear of densification but we've been putting in a lot of market rate apartments in fact we've reached the goal that was set by the met counil and I think one of the reasons why there is frustration um from residents is because you know we when we calculate density you get to include streets um along with that and so it it's kind of like you get to have your cake and you get to eat it too and the numbers just end up being um numbers that people object to they just seem too high and so that's one thing that I'm thinking about but the other thing I'm thinking about and I've been spending a lot of time like my colleagues on the prominade and it is a very quiet peaceful place and you sit on the bench behind the Macy's site and you don't you can't really hear the traffic from France you hear birds um it's quiet and it's it's a very lovely place to be and I think about that I was talking to a resident um who walked by and I asked you know do you walk the prominade a lot and then he sat down and talked to me and it was really helpful because his perspective was he knew that development needed to happen and he didn't really have big um concerns or a big excitement about the development I don't think he really had studied it much um but he said we do need to have more residents um and this will probably be developed for residential they need to be able to experience the prominade they need to be able this is a special place um this is a walkable place and that really stuck with me and there is something very special about Centennial Lakes and the prominade and you think about it coming from an era where there really was uh this love and concern about the comments and the you know we created out of a commercial space public a public Wonder really and the prominade is an extension of that so um when I I look at the development and I see how large it is um the word massive has been used a lot I am concerned um we haven't talked about the dog park I think that's going to change the sound the character um of being on the prominade you know we've talked about what are people going to see but what are people going to hear um we've heard from Park and wreck please don't put a dog park adjacent to the prominade um and I see the logic of that they've got signs saying this is not a trail in the area where there are plants because they already have a lot of dog poo that needs that has to get picked up and I think you know that's one issue the other issue is the noise and some people want to have a really quiet experience is that going to happen um if that's part of it there's there's a lot going on here as council member Pierce said it is a complicated site and so I feel like every time I go out to the site I think of something new and I notice something different so um I am very concerned about the garages not being um adequate for deliveries um that's that's a problem I uh really there was one Planning Commission who voted against this and she said I I feel that was um commissioner Padilla who said I feel as if this project I'm paraphrasing is not at the point where it needs to be I need to see another iteration before I can vote on this and I feel like there's so many Loose Ends um and that is really staying with me so thank you for that uh member Pi thanks Mr Mayor um so I have um I thought about this quite a bit um as all of us have been out to the prominade and talked to several residents um and this was I this is a really complicated project like I said earlier um it but there's so much in it and so similar to uh member Risser every time I go out there I I either know notic something new or I learned something different I talk to somebody else um that walks the prominade um often um I talked to one person in particular who um asked if it was all rental and I said no no no there's there's condo there's a mix and they said well if there's condos I'll buy one and so I asked well why would you why would you want to buy one they live on the prominade currently and uh he said oh he would want to update or upgrade um to a new building um and this would be an opportunity to do that um and so I think for like for every development every project almost like they're the themes are the same and we talked about this a little bit as I walked out um with um the developer um we talk about density we talk about traffic we talk about sustainability and it it actually doesn't matter if we're talking about a complex of this size or two houses being built across the street from Jerry's it's the same three things and so we um um as a council what I try to do is try to put myself in the shoes of the residents who live in and use that space um and so that I've shared some of my comments earlier um I do think that this has the potential I think it really has the potential to be something special in that space But it's transitionary in nature right and what I mean by that is um if you if you live in your house today and right and we add a sidewalk and you didn't want one right you were irritated that you got that sidewalk and you might be irritated for years but when you sell your house the next person who buys it it's like oh man I'm I'm glad there's a sidewalk there but these things are Cycles right so it's transitionary in nature uh but the tough part is that I think we have to understand that understand the current wants and needs of residents as we think about the future and so I do feel like this has the potential to be something um pretty special um my first trip out there trying to get the sense after receiving lots of emails about infringement on the prominade going out and really trying to see well what what does that look and feel like um and kind of measuring it to go all right well the the parking ramp behind Pinstripes and 71 France are more intrusive to the prominade than any of this is and so we have to tell that story so that people can at least see and feel that and then not only that but we're proposing to extend the prominade right and so it could be nice it we're adding more space to it um in a certain making it a in my opinion has the potential to be an even better amenity than it is today uh but we have to make sure that right that that happens um the um other thing that one of the other things I looked at is the U the height and the density on the site so when you look at that one view of the buildings it is it's it is I mean it's extremely dense but it part of the reason it seems so dense is cuz there's nothing there today the building there today is underground right and so the 11 story building is along France the seven story buildings are the same height as 71 France but they're further back from the prominade and so then I asked the question well all right if I'm standing in this spot um there was a gentleman there eating lunch one of the times I was there um I took a photo of it and I sent that in I said all right if I'm sitting right here what am I going to see right now I see Blue Sky because there's no building there you can kind of see the Macy's um and so we talked about all right from that spot this is what you'll see then we kind of walk to where the opening would be between the buildings um and so I kind I got comfortable with the potential that this could be um something special in terms of what we were able to do to extend the prominade but we got to be smart about where we put trees the trees that we can save where we do burns uh to ensure that that's the case um the Landscaping architecture we use to member Jackson's point right if it's if on the nature side we should be using nature right to make sure that folks who um use the prominade on a daily basis still feel like it's a um the amenity that they are used to um as well um me look at my notes um I do also believe that um you we have done a good job um earlier I said nice job nice job I'm going to I'm going to maybe I'll just say average cuz we still can do more and my comment is connecting with the neighbors um I don't think we can under underestimate how important it is to continue that process um because as as we do our jobs uh residents are also seeing different views they're learning more they also have different wants and needs and that's going to continue to grow so the next time you you come and you're able to say what we met with Coventry I I want that to be true um so let's let's make sure that we're able to do that um and then I do I do have a couple of um well another comment um to remember Risser talked about process there is a bit of process here that I'll talk about and that it still just irritates me that we do it this way um because I know that the developer at some point is going to come with a tiff request we don't know how much that is right and the construct that they would do that actually is a construct that the city has so if we're doing all this public realm uh work we're extending the prominade all of those types of things there are some things that we're doing where we would say all right we can give a little bit to get um these other U amenities however I kind of don't like voting on a project without having some kind of sense of that and so I did ask that question um last week and we don't know what that is maybe the developer won't even ask maybe it'll all be private funded I don't know uh but from a process standpoint um to ask for a a proposed ask for a a vote on a proposed development knowing that we're going to come back for final I would want that and all these other questions to be able to be answered when we do the final um as best as we can um and then I know with Tiff that that's going to go to HRA as well so that process that we it is a little out sequence to me um so I want to make sure you you hear me say that um when we come back for final I would would like to see those things be um more clear um and then the the couple of um questions um I I do well one more comment I do like the fact that we have talked about owner occupied affordable housing um and so I am glad to see that you have some of that in this proposal my question there and this this may be a broader question on the owner occupied side for affordable housing um what what's the target I think it's 80% of Ami is that what I read in there what's your what's the the median Target price for condos and if you could do yeah just do the market right for that yeah so if I went just off of today's published value through met Council of what that sale price is for somebody at the 80% uh Ami it's just north of $290,000 as what that sale price can be okay and then for Market what what's your range is there we're so we have larger units that aren't at that threshold that are probably going to be closer to kind of the half a million to north of a million dollars just depending on we have some units a couple on the top floor that are in excess of kind of 1,800 Square fet where they're getting couple thousand or they're more Penthouse style unit so they'd command a higher price point just because they're taking out more space um so uh to for me that's important because we've looked at our median home value in Edina and as we approach six seven s and a half to eight years we're projecting our median home value to be a million dollars and so when I talk about affordable housing we definitely need that but we also talk a lot about General housing affordability and so in that you know half a million to right now the median home value in is 660 um and so somewhere in there like that's good for the community to have owner occupied that is um can be reasonably affordable um as well as providing some affordable housing units at the the 80% Ami um then my second thing I am still concerned about funding so I asked that question the last time and you you gave a you gave an answer to that um and it's hard sitting up here to be able to judge that without looking at your your financials but I will say we don't want to end up with another demolished site in addition to the ones directly across on the uh directly across from you from this site or the US Bank site right and so we have emails uh from residents outlining that too um and so we really don't don't want that um so I would um I'm I'll ask the same question again uh when if when you come back um because I that's important to us um I think if out of everything we know if this project goes forward and you're it's a construction site there'll be some um impact to the prominance daily use well nothing could be more intrusive than to have a big hole where the ma Macy's is that just sits there for two years while you get your funding together um and so that is a really big that's really important that we understand uh when we're going to be able to start and we're able to do it in a way that respects um the prominon and the residents that um that live there [Music] um I think that might be yeah I think that's it thank you yeah thank thank you thank you thank you member pece member U thank you U so I'm I'm not going to bury the lead on this I I really like it I do um I love the activation that engagement the connectivity the artwork um and in many ways I do like the density um I'm so excited about how this is going to enable us to connect to the other side of France and to marry these projects together one of which is an empty hole uh right now um but I know that that's where we've really been working intentionally as a city to bring these projects together because it's it's things like that that I think are really going to make or break this um I love the inclusion of the restaurants and I I love thinking about Community here and and what that Community draw can feel like uh as we were going through some of the imagery I think this was last time right but I'm even thinking of where we have that those chairs and is there a restaurant that has like little pack s'more kits and you're making s'mores out there and it it sold to me the vision of how can this bring the community together and draw them into this site um I love the invitation to the park that is then created too on the South Side um I think that the prominade is such an amazing asset that we have and now it's going to be featured more we've we've talked about how it is kind of a a Hidden Gem and I can see this being that that entry point into the site and I also hear the fear and I understand the concerns with such a major change um this type of evolution within our city is is always nuanced and a challenge and you know when we hear from some people you know some of the ideas and and I always really really appreciate it when we get ideas of what else could we have on this site when when people aren't excited about a development that we are evaluating and you know a lot of those ideas just aren't possible right if we consider this to potentially be just a community location a community theater you know we've talked about the need for some type of Community Theater um we've considered those kinds of things as a city and right now we can't afford to do that and I just I think that that needs to play into this and we also hear then you know we don't need Tiff or we shouldn't be considering Tiff and I know that that's not what we're discussing tonight but I think that member Pierce has made that clear too financing is so difficult for these these types of projects and I I know that there's always this balance of you need to have enough density for it to make sense this is a prime piece of land it's an expensive piece of land and so there's always that ratio of of how much density to make it work to financially cover the investment that you're making into this area and the balance on of how much density is too much density um when we you know looked at the planning for our our city and our area we said that if there's going to be density anywhere it's going to be in this area we even said when we were looking at the Estelle project uh no we want it on the other side of France and this is the side of France that we said that we wanted to have that density on so I just I want to make that clear that like this is a part of what we as a city have put into the plans um and where we have seen when or if there is density where that density belongs uh again I know we're not voting on Tiff tonight but I also want to just give you some insights into my perspective on that um if you consider moving forward if it does move forward um I'm going to be fine using Tiff for some of the things like the connection to the prominade the community components that are a draw um especially the over under whatever the France connectivity is going to be I think that's a comp a Priceless compon well no there will be a price but it's a uh really valuable I'll say to our Community um and honestly I don't usually say this but even Tiff for the parking to me makes sense because what you did is you took parking and you put it underground um which activates that those main levels I know there's still one level of parking but it helps activate a little bit more at that level and you met the ass that we had to make it convertible down the road if we identify that we know longer need that much parking and I know that that's a cost um I'm not going to be comfortable using it for affordable housing because affordable housing is a requirement to develop within this city right we're talking about million plus Penthouse uh condos and as a part of developing within the city I think the expectation has been set for a long time that building and affordable housing is a core component of that um so kind of my balance and that those are my overarching thoughts uh and now I do have some very specific asks um do everything that you can to make sure that this feels friendly welcoming safe and I mean that obviously for the people that would be living there but for everyone a part of the community um I also want to think through how we can potentially bring in more of a setback from the prominade I know that when you walk it right now yes there's the parking ramp that's much closer um but right now as you do walk it it does feel peaceful and Serene because there's just the bunker and so I know that we can't maintain that feel with this added density but even you know increasing to 50 ft along that whole edge of the prominade um and I think echoing the mayor's comments too about enabling that to preserve some of the existing trees I think would really add a lot of value uh we've talked about Landscaping like this will make or break the site um so I want to see all the Landscaping you know artfully strategically done I think that that's just such an essential component to this um regarding the dog park someone with a dog I love a dog park um I also understand their complications with having it right on the prominade from a noise perspective from a smell perspective um and I've also heard in conversations with you know other parents that there's not much of a park in this area of town and so I just I want you to very carefully consider should this be a dog park and if so should it move around the building a little bit or is this an opportunity for more of a a children's play area um and I think as you're thinking through all of that maintain that mindset of today this is a Serene area and we don't want to do a complete 180 and so how do we introduce some of these elements um but still keeping in mind what is the impact of sound and what sound would potentially travel throughout the prominade how can you Shield that with trees or or whatever um I also I want to add in um again I mentioned this last time but potentially metered parking um or and this I was thinking specifically and you answered a little bit differently of what I was thinking for the north south um through Fair um but B off of the conversation with the Planning Commission I don't want to see this be where residents Park um and I know that that's that's a a sentiment you share as well so some type of hourly parking um per not permit parking that would be different but even metered parking I think enables that and then would also help address some of these other concerns that we have of being able to reserve parking you can easily Hood it then all of those um complications I think could be alleviated um this is personal preference I would prefer not have senior condos and and have them open to everyone um but maybe not everyone shares that uh I also really love the idea that commissioner felt had on the Planning Commission of the first floor like art studio with a residential unit above um I'm not suggesting that that would be a requirement but just something to actually consider because I I think that that's another way to bring people in draw it in and make what is going to be that Eastern section that's probably more housing Centric as we've talked about help draw people in uh and then lastly in my asks clearly a lot um I would like to see some type of welcoming Archway between the buildings um almost thinking of Like An Elegant version of like the Gas Lamp District in San Diego right like they have those archways but something that like clearly welcomes people in lets them know that there's a prominade on the other side and maybe find some way to mirror the look and feel of what you'll have on the south side of the building where um I think we featured a little bit it was uh green um but it was there's a park behind here you can come in um so I think continue that look and that feel but some type of elegant signage to invite people draw people in um and then two things that I would like us to consider adding as requirements for this um one would be a wi study um I did Google it they those are things that we can do I know we haven't required it as a city um but it is something that we can commission um and that's because we have heard the concerns of the it wind impacts of the power I don't want this to become a wind tunnel um so I would like to know um what what do we see happening with the Wind in this area and then based off of what that study shows um mitigating some of those impacts um my second ask is that we add more um EV wiring um I don't know if we would want to make it a specific percentage things are changing and I know we talked about this a little bit too of like we're going to look at the market but I would love to see 20 to 25% um for initial start just because of what we're seeing in changes um so those are my two kind of firm asks that I would ask as a a council we consider putting into um any potential approval tonight um but thank you thank you member egno uh member Jackson yes thank you Mr Mayor so I want to just kind of pull back and get a historical and 60,000 foot perspective here this site is a former Gravel Pit and we're looking at an investment of O well over a quarter of a billion dollars into a former Gravel Pit it's going to bring in jobs and it's going to bring in housing so I just want to stop for a moment to appreciate how fortunate our community is where we have the ability to say yes or to say no to this project there are communities that are driven by need that are calling for jobs in their Community are calling for housing in their community and not able to get it so I just want to just say a moment of thanks for the um benefit that or the fortune that our city has that we have the opportunity to say yes or no to such a huge project and and I'm really grateful for that so there's a lot to like about this project and there's just a lot to this project it's very complicated I love the fact that we all went out and walked it multiple times s measured everything and uh just went over and over talked to people um I appreciate everybody who reached out to comment whether through the public hearing better together or through the emails and phone calls that we received um I really appreciate the input and the and as member AG said the ideas um I went back and looked at the Southdale chapter of the comprehensive plan again and this really is where density is planned and uh the whole idea of the Southdale plans to break up these super blocks this is a super block and it's broken up beautifully um we've created Street rooms here there's a real sense of place in looking at what's in between the buildings uh this is the densest area of the Southdale plan um it's a mix of residential and Commercial so the be lots of activation Daytime Nighttime weekends um different types of activation we've got ownership and we've got rental we've got market we've got inclusionary housing and so it really has a lot of variety to it this will add to the Southdale District the big thing is the potential for the France Crossing uh that's just that is huge for the whole Southdale area to get across France as a pedestrian as a very dangerous thing to do anywhere along France and and I love that opportunity this uh will open up the bike trail and the entrance to the prominade I love the fact that the building is shifted and signals this is where the prominade is this is where the bike trail goes it's kind of hidden now and it doesn't feel public it's like what is this thing that's here it's looks like a sidewalk and where does it lead and then you lead into Centennial Lakes so I love the fact that it has that entrance to it um and and also just that feeling of being able to access Centennial Lakes because I lived here for quite a while before I even knew Centennial Lakes was there and now we're going to have if this goes forward an entrance to Centennial Lakes um that you can see more easily it's more welcoming um the interior street is going to be very important and I I really appreciate that that's actually the entrance to the buildings is on that inter interior street that that's the front door you know we it's four there are foursided buildings and there's entrances on all side but the fact that and and I talked with some of our staff about the way that interior Street works now because I was concerned people are coming out of the luns bery cutting through the parking lot and going to the light and having this street fairly narrow and fairly calm we hope will force people some people to go north as they leave the luns barley in 71 France some people to come South and just to calm that all down quite a bit and and really create that interior Street take some of the traffic off of France and and make that connection and I really appreciate that um uh so I I this is a complex project and I had to think about it several different ways so I thought about the different levels I thought about underground I thought about the surface and I thought about the buildings and the air and the light so underground as I mentioned this is formerly a gravel pit when the Gravel Pit was going to be developed they just dumped stuff in there they dumped in poor soil poor sand I looked at the geological report chunks of concrete who knows what all is down there but it's not something that you really want to build a dense building on so whatever is going to be built here has to be pretty big because those are all fixed costs so if we built Town Homes each one of those Town Homes would have to take a tremendous amount of money to make this buildable but if we build taller more dense buildings then that cost gets spread across these four buildings and so there's a quite a bit of remediation that needs to go into the site to build any sort of modern development and um also the sewer alignment um I think that's important that there is going to be sufficient sewer it's going to be realigned and it has the potential to help um other sites along um in the Southdale area um so I think regardless of the height and density of the buildings we're going to have these fixed costs so that's important in understanding the density then looking at the buildings um I like the idea of a of a wind study um I think that's important uh I don't think it's going to have a wind tunnel the way the bower does they don't have those flat surfaces leading to a really tall building it's more broken up and I like the way it's articulated a little bit more um that in the plans that came tonight I think that will help um but I I don't think it can hurt to to have some kind of wind study if it's um feasible um as we are concerned about that um it's set back farther than the other spots both along Centennial Lakes and on the bower um the commercial build aspects of this will bring jobs into our community and again you know we're lucky in Edina that we don't have that conversation a lot but I think it's really important important that we bring in um opportunities for people to live work and play in our community um it's got affordable housing that's both rental and and ownership has been mentioned earlier um and I really I have to say I really like the condo building I think it's exceptionally beautiful and the renderings um I I think they're all you know very interesting buildings but that one just kind of jumps out at me um architecturally um and then the um it's going to have the Green Building policy applied to it as well as the inclusionary housing so then the surface and I think when the first time you guys came in here for sketch plan I said I don't really care so much about the buildings how what's the foot traffic going to be through this and I think that's been extremely thoughtful in this and one of the things we met with the um folks who put the Southdale plan together and they said this is all about having conversation and so I want to thank you for the conversation because it has been you came to sketch plan I think twice before you came to us back and forth iterative and you've taken the comments and and we keep going back and forth and that's exactly what the Southdale plan envisioned was this iterative conversation process and I really appreciate that um I think that it accentuates the bike trail it connects people to the prominade and extends the prominade through the center um I really think I think the site is pedestrian centered and I appreciate the changes along France to keep that pedestrian safety there um and so I think that to me is the most important thing is is The Pedestrian movement and and just the movement in General on human scale in this is this too much people are worried and I have to say is it a fear of change is it a fear of density or is it simply too much um I think the is exactly what the Southdale plan had in mind for this spot it is a place where we can have super density um it's an investment I think it's futur looking and you know I I think that's probably where I'm at I I came in here tonight not knowing um whether where I was going to vote but but as we've walked through this I feel like the iterative process has worked and I I think this will be a really benefit to our community thank you member Jackson um well I join my colleagues that are uh taking the what I perceive to be the majority position here um you know this this site I mean all of us have been driving by this site for years and looking at that uh that bunkered in Furniture Store looks like it belongs at NORAD headquarters in Colorado or something you know wonder what what goes on down there anyway what what else is in that building other than it's that front of a furniture store there's got to be something in the basement you know that um so um and you think well this is one of the best piece of properties in town it really is when you think about 8 Acres right there on France Avenue all kinds of folks come to the they want to have a France Avenue address and when I first heard that um uh uh this developer wanted to put four buildings on that 8 Acre Site I thought well that sounds like 10 pounds of sugar in a 5B bag but uh as we've worked on this together and they've listened to people's concerns I think I I don't I don't think that way anymore I don't feel that way anymore that was more of a visceral reaction so you know you can't help but go back as as member Jackson did the design experience guidelines and and looked to some of those things that done several years ago when we first started seeing development out along France Avenue and that was uh how do we discuss the evolution of the district and and we thought about it through the sort of experiential lens that um that the framework itself that design experience guideline framework uh established how streets would be structured and these folks have responded exactly to that notion of the 200x 200 foot increment on the streets uh the relationship of open space to buildings and I think they've done uh quite a quite a good job of that and so when when you start asking yourself questions like does the proposed project support the public realm and I I have to say in careful analysis I think it does it when when you put in public amenities and you make a public investment in something like Centennial Lakes on the prominade you expect it will create private development around it and that's exactly what it's done over time it just there's a tremendous amount of investment there it's not just the Coventry town homes and the uh and Yorktown and and others that that are out there it's those five Office Buildings it's uh the shops at Centennial Lakes which you know over the years I've gotten used to walking down there in the park and and you're walking by the sheer wall which is the backside of all those shops uh but it's covered with Ivy and and uh the person that did the design work for Centennial AES did a fabulous job um and so you walk up that prominade now as we've extended it North when they built 71 France and we let them basically build up to the lot line just like we let the Coventry town home developers build the build of the park lot line no setback um it becomes part of the Fab fabric of the of of the prominade and the part of the fabric overall Centennial Lakes and and the walkways up to the grocery stores and up to the restaurants and and up to Galleria and even beyond the the saltdale mall and so you get you get comfortable and used to that environment that you're in and I think that same thing will happen here over time so this project really does to me blend seamlessly into that public realm and and that's what we what we want to see when the people come with project and um is there you know also a kind of respect for the sort of larger context in which it sits and I I have to answer that question in the affirmative too when I ask myself that that question or how does a proposed project uh enhance living shopping working all these things that we think create human activity out there I have to say that they've done a good job of that too um and the project is really when you think about it it's really organized around human activity when I mentioned it earlier that there's there's a there's a double challenge here because you've got you've got a commercial front on France Avenue and you've got a nature a natural front on the prominade and so you've got to figure out how you're going to you're going to accomplish the goals of making sure that you fit in both environments and I think they've done a good job of that as well and and also you know when you think about some of the other elements of the saltdale design experience guidelines does this project encourage healthy living habits I think there's no question that it does because it's created an environment where people want to be outside they want to be moving uh you can feel the fluidity and the and the energy of the site and the interaction with the prominade where people can get out there and even more folks can enjoy what so many of us enjoy right now they come from all parts of Bina and really all parts of the region especially during the summer months to enjoy the park and it also offers this this entire spectrum of living opportunity uh we're not only going to have market rate uh uh activity there but we're going to we're going to see um I think it's 58 affordable units and and I think about certain percentage of those owned units which is remember Pierce made that point I think it's really important so when you when you think about this overall I think it really encourages this sort of District Evolution uh that that we're that we're looking for here and I think it works really well in conjunction with all of the public realm that we've that we've laid in to have people take advantage of and with essentially 45% of the project having Public Access and public use and that being part of a an adopted resolution to ensure that sort of protective level of public use I think it's uh pretty important to think about I also commend these Developers for modifying their plan when we started talking about that opportunity of thinking about hey wait a minute there's two properties right across the street from each other in France Avenue redeveloping at approximately the same time might there be a way to get people safely across France Avenue under or over and of course you know we've been talking about that amongst ourselves and with the county on how to do that and I think most of us believe if we could go under and and and take that Centennial Lakes concept under France Avenue with that open Airy feeling uh it would be quite remarkable to be able to connect those different parts of of of Edina so um I I'm comfortable with what we're uh what we're doing here in terms of um the resolution that would adopt the uh let me scroll back up to the begin here preliminary resoning overall development plan preliminary site plan variant assistant subdivision for 7235 France Avenue but adding some of these elements that I think are important now when you get down to the restrictions Port portion of that ordinance it is subject to a approval of a landscape plan but it's it's defined by the by the code and and what I've heard this Council say is they want to be seeing a landscape plan that not only the code approves but we approve or the staff approves understanding what we think is important um and that that plan include consideration of the potential relocation of the 9M Trail it include the approval of a sidewalk plan for the entire site s that we're comfortable with that's been raised by people uh it includes looking at this dog park location and then to member U's concerns it includes a wind study and it includes adding more uh EV wiring capacity for future electrification so with the resolution and those existing restrictions plus adding I think I captured all these elements that that my colleagues were talking about um yeah yeah I was just going to say there's been a lot of changes discussed and if you could just yeah if if there's any conditions um as far as changes you want to see between what you're what you're being presented with tonight and what you'd like to see at final if you could articulate those conditions as specifically as possible I think I think some of them are embodied in the proposed resolution for approval correct but I would again tell you that as I made notations here excuse me when my colleagues were speaking uh it would be subject to approval of a landscape plan that's satisfactory to uh staff and council at final including the location of the N Mile Creek Trail and the approval of a sidewalk plan for the entire site um approval of an appropriate location for a dog park a wind study and uh a plan that would reflect the addition of uh more EV wiring do we want to put a percent in there I'm thinking we just ask them to exceed the current the minimum current minimum at some level yeah I don't I don't want to specify okay did I did I miss anything from my colleagues I'm going to turn to member rard in a minute but is is there any way we could say that the garages need to be created so that they can um accommodate a 10-ft truck I mean the Northwest building only takes pickups and cargo vans and I don't know if there's room for changing that I just I look at this road and I I do not understand how it's going to be able to um serve all of these residences and actually each of these buildings should be able to accommodate larger trucks let let's talk to the developer I see that he was huddling with his team there momentarily Mr bra mayor council member SL um yeah little more volume on that on that microphone please testin can you hear me okay okay okay uh we can we will we hear the comment um if we can add size reasonably we will one of the issues that we actually ran into was building code height restrictions and that that kind of created some complexities with the height of the first floor the other thing that I mentioned is a site uh issue that we can't necessarily fix the elevation is the highest on the site where the north to south road comes in from the site from lungs on the North side and making sure that the storm water grading um the inner flow of the the parking ramps inside these buildings and all work in concert with the maximum height Allowed by building code created some creativity if you start getting into the details of these buildings some of them you actually have some internal ramping r as you come in so we're balancing a lot of factors and still trying to meet building code with those caveat set aside we are happy to take another look at it and if we can add any height we will rer I I think we should add that um to the no that that falls into the realm of if possible you comfortable with that um I I don't think it's going to change my I don't think we can mandate it I I know we probably can't mandate it um but it at least it'll be something review that and then if nothing else then I think you could you could think about how to manage your on street parking for deliveries you know for people moving in and out so that that's coordinated more effectively but we'll we'll look at this garage height issue okay Y come up here to the microphone and make tell me affirmatively not just nod your head I uh mayor I recognize the comment about further studying the first floor height of all the buildings we will do that um in followup uh with our next uh revised plan before we get to final uh parallel parking we'll do some addition study and have additional followup on that as well the north of South Road the parallel parking there as a side note um we're going to be changing the parking on the north side of the Northwest building actually I guess that's a question um I don't know if we got clear direction that could be re I think yeah I think changing diagonal parking to parallel parking is what we want to have in there as a condition too on the North side yeah I think so we're comfortable it's safer Y and we can evaluate that in connection with the overall strategy for pick up and drop off maybe that's a over flow area in the event that the north the South Road's being overwhelmed we can mark that off as well okay all right did I capture everything well so then with those additional um conditions attached uh is there a motion to approve resolution 20 24-40 which would approve a preliminary rezoning overall development plan preliminary site plan variances and subdivision for 7235 France Avenue so moved second member by member U moves member Pierce seconds the adoption of resolution 2024-the in the record all right further discussion all those in favor of adoption of resolution 20244 as articulated with the conditions uh added say I I I opposed carried the resolution 202 24-40 with attached conditions new conditions is approved right we'll see you at final thank you thank you all right um thanks folks for coming this evening and now we um the next matter we have is uh pedestrian Crossing policy review or Andrew sepion art Transportation planner and commissioner Chris Brown are with us this evening to uh discuss this recommendation Mr Brown thanks your tenacity tonight commissioner yeah it's been a full night for you too you're like a you're like a council member tonight uh thank you mayor members of council um this report here this is an initiative on the transportation commission's work plan from last year um and so Vice chair Chris Brown is here who he led this initiative so he's here to present his findings um and then I'll touch on the staff recommendation toward the end so I'll pass it on to Chris thanks Andre uh good evening Mr Mayor and council members uh appreciate the time I know following a blockbuster discussion here but nevertheless an important uh topic on pedestrian Crossing safety um we uh hear this uh often and in uh Community comments and through um Community Communications on the concerns of pedestrian Crossing safety very often and desires from our crosswalks um and so that's where this work plan item uh came about was to look at the existing City policy how that may or may not support the buildout of pedestrian crosswalks um opportunities from research Nationwide and how we can improve that um and so we have a couple recommendations um from the commission that have been put forward for uh consideration and discussion uh tonight uh just to ground us here um this is from the Minnesota Department of Transportation so vulnerable roadway safety um is a is is a is Paramount as the slide says um to improve uh Transportation Network for all users vulnerable roadway users are defined as you know non-motorists those walking rolling or biking and so as you can see um just by the statistic uh one in 50 people driving um in in are uh involved in a crash result in death or Serious injury it's one in five obviously for those walking rolling and biking um you know who are inherently much more vulnerable and fragile uh as they travel throughout the roadway Network and so trying to min minimize this through a built environment is really you know first and foremost um really important for us to um to consider as a community especially as walking rolling and biking becomes ever more popular we're talking a lot about the dino prominade connections to that um throughout our community as well um to park schools and other locations this is becoming ever more important uh so this is just backing up what I was saying before about um requests and so as you can see from 2019 to 2023 and this is pedestrian safety I will say um of those pedestrian safety requests a majority anecdotally are desires for crosswalks um or enhanced signage or an RFB rectangular rapid flashing Beacon and so as you can see here you know we're jumping up um you know from 35 to 52 over the last 5 years that's been you know increasing year over year and so it's only becoming a more important issue um which the commission recognized and that was again one reason as to why we um had this work plan item and so just a little bit of grounding here so the research We performed um so we did some again Nationwide research on best practices and guidance from state and federal resources uh reviewed local crosswalk policies from around the country including here uh nearby in Dakota County but also from Washington and Colorado State um and then also looked at some other communities uh here in Lakeville as well as on the west coast that are also also doing um a more proactive approach to implementing pedestrian Crossing improvements and so um looking at uh edina's existing policy and comparing it to National research um some key items here that we really wanted to recommend for staff to consider as they um uh move forward in and updating the policy as a part of the ss4 uh ss4 action plan um potentially is um you know it is largely following with its Matrix and process and guidance but best practices and guidance have changed quite a bit since 2018 and so first and foremost there needs to be consideration of just um improving the infrastructure the suite of in infrastructure improvements and opportunities um rfbs are becoming ever more popular um there's one right by my house here in Ido which I always appreciate to get over to Cornelia and so um the the the um current policy is quite conservative I do understand obviously we can't have an RFB in every corner but I think we could be a little bit more um opportunistic and where we put our rfbs instead of uh as conservative as we're today with our existing policy uh we also rely upon arbitrary volume thresholds and so as a commission we routinely uh grapple with community members coming in um having traffic volumes collected there's 19 pedestrians in the hour instead have 20 and so staff recommends that the crosswalk can not be implemented because that one point in time during that one day during that one week uh there was one less um pedestrian or bicyclist Crossing there and so we continue to Grapple with that because that story is tough to document and talk about when community members who live there cross there every day uh see safety issues um have concerns and so um you know we've uh through our research have seen other communities Denver Colorado Boulder um locally here in Dakota County adopting guidance and policy that also looks at other opportunities Beyond just demand um because we really shouldn't be putting it back on the community to tell them that they need to continue to cross a dis location to access a park a school or other destination um and take those risks and then get up to that volume threshold to finally make improvements um that Chicken and the Egg is a continued um barrier to improvements and so other communities are looking at it more qualitatively is it near a bus stop is it near a park um does it have a documented safety issue um Beyond just those volume thresholds um we also here in Ed just um don't have quite as comprehensive of a process for considering that holistic Viewpoint of not only focusing in on you know just the crosswalk markings themselves but also considering other you know um what we call uh Transportation um engineering those geometric changes and so can we can we narrow the roadway can we add curb extensions uh to really you know improve these locations beyond the bare minimum of just marking a crosswalk and and adding signage uh the other recommendation that came out of this uh work plan process was um recognizing that we are and and many communities are um very reactive in implementing these improvements inherently understanding um staff workloads um and and the cost and opportunity to do this but um there are locations such as Lakeville here locally that have developed a quantitative process um that is looking at you know all of the data you can look at from safety and demand and and and destinations um marrying that into some some mapping um and quantitative analysis and actually identifying key locations and building that into their CIP process into um a longer term vision for Grant applications and funding and having that planning process uh implemented instead of um proactively instead of reactively um there's opportunity to this here in Udo we recognize that um through Andrew's work and others of the city there is a prioritization process for tax funding already so there might not be um we might not be starting from step one here but um actually being able to leverage existing processes and building off of those um and o just wanted to highlight to the opportunity to hopefully start to implement um the call Quick Build demonstration projects there's a variety of examples um uh locally here uh this is in Richfield just next door um nearest school on 70th Street this was a demonstration project for safe routes to school um and it's just demonstrating that when we hear Community comment and desires to see improvements you know often these improvements take many years because there's funding there's engineering and there's other um you know planning processes that that need to be completed before something can go on the ground uh having an opportunity and understanding that there is a maintenance component to this there's a staffing component to this but um communities you know around us in Minneapolis Richfield and others um have started to implement these quick build improvements to show you know the community that safety can be achieved in a few months or a year as opposed to 5 years um and these are meant to be Temporaries um but nevertheless there are opportunities um this one also is Dem rating the Minnesota Department of Transportation on olon Memorial Highway in North Minneapolis um they just implemented this in the last year and actually intend to have these up for five years um which is longer than I've seen typically but um nevertheless I think more and more agencies are recognizing that um having these these these posts and paint and other opportunities to narrow the roadway or add in improvements on um in the short term is really important for the community's benefit instead of waiting another two three five years to see improvements and so with that um I will hand it over to Andrew but appreciate the opportunity to describe his work plan and welcome any questions a nice presentation commissioner thank you so because this initiative the council charge for it was a review and recommend uh we're we're required to provide a staff recommendation along with it so as Chris mentioned in his report you know the this idea to improve pedestrian safety complements a lot of strategic plans and objectives we have including the comp plan living streets active routes to school plan and the climate action plan um at this time uh the city has received a $200,000 Grant to develop a Safety Action Plan actually an item on the consent agenda tonight was an approval of a grant agreement uh that'll allow us to proceed with developing that plan um so as part of that plan we'll look at existing many of these existing policies or plans uh and kind of put together a a more cohesive uh safety Mobility plan for the city so at this time what staff is recommending is that as part of that work we include reviewing this existing policy um as part of developing what we're calling a safe and Equitable Mobility action plan or a cmap so when I read your recommended motion I see it as uh a motion to U include a review of The Pedestrian Crossing policy with upcoming safety and Equitable Mobility action plan development is that that that capture what you would like to have us do yes that is correct and that work um we are expecting we're hoping to have completed by the end of next year and commissioner Brown you that's consistent with the transportation commission's view yeah I think um it's consistent and and updating the policy was really first and foremost most Paramount to us so we definitely support that and I think um the opportunities to expand upon that again through um that some sort of proactive approach to identifying Crossings and other opportunities could be either bu built into this plan or considered in future work plans for staff or the commission to explore we on the nub of something really important here I think because we've you know as we've seen an increase in in non-motorized movements there has not been an enhanced safety traveling companion along with that activity and so we've been seeing more bicycle deaths and and I think to get ahead of this like the commission is thinking about with staff good staff guidance is really a great idea commissioner rer had or excuse me member rer had um I just I was thinking about pulling that consent agenda item just to feature it and to say congratulations on getting the grant so that's really good to see thank you yeah we're really we're really grateful for the opportunity and excited to finally get to work developing the plan commissioner R member Risser would you care to move the inclusion of a review of The Pedestrian Crossing policy with upcoming safety and Equitable Mobility action plan velopment second second Jackson seconds member R's motion to approve staff the staff recommendation to include a review of The Pedestrian Crossing policy with upcoming safety and Equitable Mobility action plan development that the Eden Transportation Commission will be engaged in any further discussion all those in favor of adoption of the motion stated say I I I oppose carried motion's approved yeah thank you for thank you thank you so much for that good presentation yeah appreciate it ready anytime you I was just going to usually I was just standing up in anticipation of a really great performance yeah I'm I'm ready I'm ready I'm rested for ear let's CDs that's CDs bridges that I think look a lot better than what the the first round was thank you mayor usually you do a nice introduction so I just waiting for that so hopefully tonight we can get some direction I can get some direction on an architectural concept on the Rosen park pedestrian bridge um I've been preaching to you about the we've been talking about this for two years it's been hit over two and a half years ago as the first hit uh we have money that's appropriated to this $6 million the $3 million from mindat is actually appropriated in fiscal year 25 which is the July 1st 2024 to July 2025 they would prefer if we could spend that money in that year I think we're going to have to request a move and that might actually move at two years they're struggling with the 26 budget stuff so sooner we can get some direction and actually start hard final design the better um the questions came up as function versus form we asked four firms to potentially respond to our request for proposals everything you see tonight's alphabetical so bkv next out of Amsterdam snow krlic and then s so who declined to propose on this project they just felt it didn't meet what they were looking for we did conduct a pre submittal meeting with these three firms they asked questions we got everybody on the same page and we were very comfortable before they submitted that they understood the project they got all the documents that we had done prior to this point and you can see the differences in their responses so in your packet tonight was uh the full about 10 pages each for each of their proposals with three very nice Graphics so I'm just going to run through those and then see what council has for comments and council member Jackson I have your pictures too when we're ready to present those so we shared with them this this Switchback option that we just felt fits best with the needs on the North side and then also the park scheduling and programming on the south side where we really want the bikes to come down on that Frontage Road versus the actual Trail in Lake Cornelia so we shared this we shared the Matrix we shared all the work to date with them and some responded differently based on this so again alphabetical I'll start with bkv this was their layout so they really took the Switchback option to heart you can see on this this is in their proposal um and then the three different Graphics so this is a Southwest view towards rosin Park in the background so you're standing on the North side they have it appears to be lighted features uh along the ramps here and then the bridge this is a picture of looking from the park looking to the Northeast towards the neighborhood towards the highway so you're standing on the edge of the tennis courts pickle ball courts uh that's this view again of the ramp you can see they did some things with some lights and different features along the uh bridge and then the final graphic they provided was you're down at the highway level looking to the east uh as the sun's coming up this was the bridge option there going across cross spanning the highway and spanning the frontage road so those were the three uh Graphics provided by bkv next Architects out of Amsterdam they had they gave a little more Liberties to our Parks facility there on the south where they thought uh that should connect so a lot more expansion into the park which our parks department is concerned about um they kind of created two separate uh uses here the one on the left has stairs and the one on the right again ties into those ramps on and off uh here they do connect to that trail along the lake Cornelia pathway um that's just mixing the bikes and the Peds right there at that connection point something of uh your consideration here later tonight and they did more of this kind of bridge so this is uh if you're looking westbound on Highway 62 on the right hand side is that noise wall that we we anticipate coming from mindat on the left hand side is how it touches down into the park this is a view again your the Northwest view so it's rosin Park looking towards the north there's that noise wall in the background and here's where they separated and really the landing Point changed quite a bit within the park and our Parks group has some concerns our structural team has some concerns whether this one meets the budget or not with this big feature going over the highway so that's just of note and then here's one more View kind of more at The Pedestrian level looking South towards Rosland Park so if you were on the north side of the highway looking back towards the park the tennis SS would be in the background on the right hand side behind those trees and then our final submission was snow krlic their layout again stayed with the Switchback options on the left or the upper left is the north side of the road and near that number four is in the park and they just they did a little different with the switch back on the south side where they just built up soils and and created a little different way to build that switch back within the park around and near some of those existing oak trees this is their view of eastbound Highway 62 more of a wood texture uh for the ramps and the bridge over the highway they again stayed with that uh steel structure contained in there over all of 62 and the South Frontage Road here's where they did a little bit of difference of that Switchback by building up soil in a burm area to build uh less of a structure on the south side and more of opportunities for landscaping enhancements within the park and they showed some seating areas along that walkway uh but this is a view from the Northwest view looking back towards the highway back towards the neighborhood and this was from the Overlook that they had kind of planned on the very as you just get over the highway on the south side near the park where you can Overlook the pickle ball courts and the tennis court and the Park area um this is more of that user View and there you can see as you started to get over the highway the the height got higher because there's requirements over the high over the highway for Heights of of railings and stuff like that so those were the three options that were submitted and I would uh seek any kind of approval on one of these of preference uh or if you want to eliminate one of them or looking for next steps to continue to move this project forward I can stand for any questions uh member Jackson's got some questions and maybe comments yes thanks Mr May yeah if you don't mind bringing up those pictures I thought it would be helpful to sort of get a feel of what igd Bridges look like now so we went out and took some pictures this is the won by the community center with the circle ramps um and this one's owned by mindat correct it's owned by mindat um this is the 9mile uh Creek Trail over Highway 100 down on Metro Boulevard Yep this is a Three Rivers Park facility got Rivers Park yeah thank you six eight years ago mhm uh this is the um Skyway by the hospital by Fair viiew Health Fairview hospital going to the parking ramp so it's it's a bridge and a Skyway but I thought it was beautiful so we' take a picture and then this is the mini haa Creek Bridge so just to sort of get a sense of what we already have and so what what um goes with it yeah this was the best picture with was the one that I popped up into this is Woodale Woodale Avenue Woodale yes Woodale Bridge the wp Bridge well thank you it's a beautiful day so anyways just to sort of ground Us in in what we already have as we make our decisions remember so let's pretend or imagine that we're going to select one of these to move forward with walk us through then next steps what that looks like what the back and forth would be how we start to think about financing cost all of that like what is the process if we were to align on One Direction tonight until completion yeah great question thanks member eggu uh if we got Direction tonight since we're off tomorrow Thursday I'd be contact bra Intertech we need soil borings so whichever one you selected we'd be working with our structural consultant to determine exactly where those borings go some have to happen on the highway so there's a leadup time that we need to do but then it's working with whatever architect and bolt and mink and putting there a scope of work that they could uh offer their consultation to make sure that this bridge is designed to what the concept that you just would potentially approve this evening so then we'd come back to you with a scope of work just with the architect we'd also come back in their scope of work with Bolton and mink because they have only had preliminary design at this point we were holding a final design until we knew what the next steps are so two more three more contract approvals typically we can start work uh ahead of that and just get going on it and start those conversations and then from there if we start design and say you know what we just can't do this then we would come back to council and say we can't do this but these are the options in the architect thinks it still meets the intent of their concept okay thank you I I'm just kind of curious if there is any opportunity for potentially more back and forth of like if we like different elements or if we like some things but not everything or these kind of the concepts that we have to move forward with I think that's up to the council this evening I would prefer you pick one or have some general direction to go the longer we talk about it um the longer and more delayed we got some strings on the Geo Bond for late 26 early 27 or we're going to lose the money so um it's up to the Council on the direction you want to provide me tonight if there's not one concept that you prefer at the member egg's Point um you know I would like to understand better how the each function so if you if you would go back to the like what I what I see on the two of them both the U bkv and the uh snow snow krlic snow krlic they they're both a shared Bridge correct there's no separation no separation and on the next the Amsterdam company there is separation but there's a common joining point and then but they've got stairs where nobody else has stairs is that right that's right but during all the conversation and in my mind we always wanted options for stairs also so if you would approve one I'd be talking about how can we add stairs to this concept on the corners of the bridge within their concept stairs has always been discussed that people wanted to go straight up and over versus going if you're physically able people are always concerned about the length of these ramps going back and forth so in my mind there was always discussion about adding stairs to this facility to create a shorter route so when when you sent out these rfps uh request for proposals um did you tell them what our budget was yep $6 million so when you and I were on the call with the expert up in Calgary that been building pedestrian bridges for 20 years what I sticks in my head is as much as I think the guys from Amsterdam know exactly what they're doing because you know that's probably the bike capital of the world and pedestrian movements we were told by the guy in Calgary as I recall that if you once you get into the the arch and the wiring it doubles the cost correct and you're going to probably not be at 6 million but you're going to be at 10 12 million bucks and that's what our structural consultant said to when he reviewed these he was concerned about the cable stay Arch not meeting our budget they not meet our budget y yeah but they but for some reason they made a submission correct knowing what our budget was yes yeah very clear on the budget I'd be curious what why they think it would meet the budget but there are elements to member egg new's point for me there are elements of at least two out of three of these uh the next in the bkv that I like um but um I just think it'd be worthwh having a conversation about it so remember Jackson maybe you weren't even done with your comments before no I I have question you through all the bridges yeah I just wanted to to to ground Us in where we are but if you could show the um picture of the snow krlic um that shows the whole thing yeah that no no not that one go back one this one so one of the questions I had in looking at this rendering um this is looking westbound this is eastbound 62 yep so the park is on your right hand side and the okay you know on the left hand side would be the neighborhood and Rose Court so am I correct in seeing that the fencing goes up fairly high in the entire Switchback I think that one of the neighborhood's concerns is privacy and it looks like that has a little bit of screening then so people look out they may not see into people's bedrooms then am I looking at that correctly yes um there was comments from the neighborhood they were concerned I don't think any of the Switchback options is looking right into a home but yes we can provide higher screening or higher in this case would laugh versus the more colored one that bkv had okay great thank you and there's still a noise wall that's going to cover remember the renderings most of that whole North Side the noise wall is going to cover that privacy issue talked about you know before Form and Function I all all three of these things I think do both and so I'm eager to have my colleagues discuss their their thoughts on it to member Pierce well thanks uh Mr here I honestly I'm not sure how we're going to give you feedback that you can actually use so I hope we go through this process and you get what you need um I I thought about this in um I perhaps a little differently and so I had a couple of things I said I we should not do and so I don't think we should do lots of Lights on the the bridge um especially on the neighborhood side and so if there are if any of these have bright colorful lights like we should make sure um that uh we don't have lighting that's intrusive to to the neighbors uh and to me that has nothing to do with the wall but more with the treatment of how they provide um lighting for safety those kinds of things sure um so I thought about that as a requirement then the second one I thought um was that we should try to have treatments once you get through the Switchback that kind of blend in with the surroundings um I I can't think of any better way to say that but like the snow acrylic one does that on the rosin side you got the Switchback back and then they have that little treatment that is in the park I think um and so on the the side of the neighborhood I don't know if there's something similar cuz they didn't really have that um a view of that but same kind of idea something that kind of on the ends of the Switchback it doesn't kind of look like a bridge right to a certain extent yep um so that was the second thing that I thought about and then so when I look at all of these I liked the snow acrylic one I didn't like the first one um which was the BK yeah bkb one um and not for that location maybe if it had the panels just going over 62 or something like that maybe that would be different um and then I didn't like what was the middle one next uh next I didn't like next because it was beautiful um and I I love the overview of the separation I love that but then a huge Arch um I just I don't think that like that fits on 62 it just feels like it might be kind of out of place there um and then just the other comment I had on snow krylic I hadn't thought about having a um Outlook or an over Overlook yep so I kind of like that idea with some of the other Bridges we thought we talked about having a way that if you're going over and you want to stop and kind of rest you could do that so sure yeah Mr Mayor I uh council member Pierce asked uh what kind of what kind of feedback we were looking for tonight that's exactly the feedback that we want tonight you know my favorite is this my least favorite is that because we we do have you know every process project process has some slack built into the timeline we're burning all of our slack before we even get started so we really want to uh move this design process for ahead yeah if there's a preference of because of those features at with all members of this concept we can tweak this one and work with this architect tweak this the I think other points that were already made so I like the snow one remember R um I this is going to be somewhat easy because I completely agree with member Pierce and I had um when I looked at the bkv one and saw the color the the elements that kind of slope away from the bridge and then the way the supports are it it really did not seem like that was a good way to go um it raised several concerns in my mind um similarly the the next one with that Arch it almost seems like it's a cliche it's really it's not anything new it be different but what does that do for us and I hear the park and wreck people are concerned about the way it lands um I do think I and I do like having um these elements on the Park Side I don't know if you know we need to consult with the neighbors and find out how they would like the bridge to end in that residential area because I'm not sure we would they would necessarily want a similar kind of handling on the residential side I think we'd be really tight on Space over there okay so we if you if the council chooses we could look at it what do we I've always heard from how can we hide this big ugly R if we can hide it this way then I think maybe would go to those neighborhood comments yeah I think it would be best to keep it minimal on that side um I think the the neighbors as I recall would like it to land where it does now so that it has some continuity to the path correct trail that comes in there the trail head Y and that was always the plan to connect and then you could just put a set of stairs off the corner of this thing is it wood or is it metal that looks like wood I think according to the proposal it's a wood laminate type feature but we would review that for maintenance long-term maintenance in the elements and stuff and work see if they've used this on a different project you know they've done a lot of different projects so right because maintenance and gariti and all that good stuff we would work with them and then provide that feedback to the are are there any concerns that you haven't shared with us yet about any of these designs uh designs they'll work okay you know there's a little we had a couple comments on the seating areas is that going to work from snowplowing what happens with skateboarders you know that normal kind of stuff when you build features but you heard a lot about features this evening on a different site we'll make sure all those things are addressed as we do this final design it was the next one with the budget that I was concerned about that I just don't think that's going to be close to the budget okay so yeah we have a any do we have access to the material that they would use that we could see we could get that again if is the preference we would we could bring that back if there's any tweaks we could look at that North Side see how it fits and we can come back at a 30% design and say this is what we learned for the touchdown on the North how we're going to address some of those user concerns maybe with the benches and then also lighting we'll talk about The Pedestrian level lighting that we're proposing and then bring a material back here at maybe that 30% design if this is the preference Jackson what are you thinking well I think they all three are beautiful but the snow k seems to fit our our needs the most especially if if there's that little added privacy on the neighborhood side I liked that and then we can come back with that at 30% design great BR I really like next um it feels iconic and it feels beautiful and maybe it's a little out of scale and maybe it wouldn't need to be like quite as high but I think it's beautiful um I get the though that hear the words you're saying of it being out of the budget um but also they proposed it and so I'm curious like if there is something we don't know and if we could get something that beautiful within the budget is that possible um but hearing what you're saying and assuming it's not I would then go with the snow krlic um I would rule out the bkv um I think like lighting we can always those would be adjustable for me it is kind of what I think member riss or you were saying is it it's like sticking out and just kind of like make me nervous walking across I I wasn't excited by it um either um with snow cic I like I think a lot of the things that member um Pierce was saying of it fits in like this is a beautiful image here um I'm just not I would want to see the the material like everyone else it it's hard to visualize in real life but I would like the next one cuz it's iconic clear on material if it needs to be a different material from your point of view for durability and maintenance I mean I think there's no reason to commit to it has to be laminated wood it could be a metal that was that color and we'd bring that back to the council we wouldn't any I mean if it was something that looked like this and we would know it and tell you you how we changed it but as long as we got Direction on this is the general theme then we could come back at 30% with all those details that I've heard questions on this evening yeah yeah well we got I guess I would like to I love the next one I just feel like they know what they're doing it has a beautiful Elegance to it and so simple and then you've got that shared Center um and it lands so gracefully in the park and it lands right on the trail head uh on the neighbor side with the that you know that extension to accomplish the adaa requirements but I do worry about the cost relative to the budget so I'm kind kind of curious as to why they think this meets the budget so I I almost think it'd be worth checking with them but as a as a backup I'm okay with what my colleagues think and I think I I think I hear the same thing from Member agu but I I do um if if you're asking for preferences I like I like relying on the people who uh build pedestrian Bridges all the time and that's a Dutch okay I think we got some direction here appreciate that okay yeah I guess it was sort of helpful huh you got to you got you got you got a 3-2 thank you okay well that takes us to um I don't think we got any commission correspondence that's rolled in since we sat down manager comments so we got uh potential approval of your did I miss something no oh he's got enough guidance I guess he was looking for a motion but I think he got enough guidance um manager city manager performance goals and review process for 2024 thank you Mr Mayor uh this item was uh comes out of the recent um work session that we had where we reviewed the previous um previous draft of of performance goals uh I reformatted this in a different format interestingly a format that we used uh early in my career here um had some one-on-one discussion with council member Pierce uh to kind of put it in final format uh I took uh uh input from several council members to make sure that it uh it looks the way you'd like it to look and you I'm working on the things that you want me to work on and that has brought us to tonight uh where I'm asking you to approve this proposal and if you do uh we'll also kind of move forward with an RFP process to to evaluate Consulting Partners to help facilitate uh this year's review later this year member U thank you uh and thank you for for putting it into this format I I do like seeing these goals and I I just want to reiterate as well right we've had a couple of conversations about this and we very specifically asked to see the goals in this format or to see goals specifically um and I like how it took the idea of goals and then added in some of those measurables and the considerations um there is one addition I would like to recommend um to the rest of the council um one of the components that I wanted to see is one of these themes that we've spoken about a couple of times of how are we as a council but also um manager Neil and staff as a whole um working to build trust uh with our members of our community and remembering that in every interaction you're you're either you know adding to the trust or we are potentially doing things that are harming the trust um and so I would recommend that on well under Section 8 leadership um there's the first goal that states the city manager sets the tone for interactions that residents experience with staff find ways to ensure that residents receive clear and accurate information when they raise concerns clear and accurate information like yes is is important and maybe like the bare minimum I want to evolve this to to focus more on that building of the trust um and so I would suggest that we do find ways to ensure that interactions with residents build trust and that they receive clear and accurate information um as just a a potential edit for this thank you I really like that edit um manager Neil how do you feel about that council member agnu and I talked about this prior to uh the work sessions tonight I'm I'm supportive of that so that would go in under considerations that were you're thinking member U I was thinking of augmenting the goal directly um for eight leadership bullet number one okay yeah I'm with you so it's just a slight word addition there with element of trust okay man Neil you can modify that yes okay everybody else comfortable with it I think it gets us to the point where we were at a few years ago where we were using this kind of a format it's an interesting format too remember pierce the only um question I have is the agenda item itself um so these are the performance goals and then we're not actually talking about the review process tonight are we what what I'm suggesting is that if you approve this uh this tool and these goals that the next step would be for uh sta a team of staff and electeds to um do a request for proposals to to find a facilitator to help okay got it okay thanks yes member Jackson yes thank you so I just I when I read this it read like um a job description and I like that a lot so it's like I just wanted to CH ask you manager Neil that this encompasses all the different hats that you have to wear that we've we've captured your whole scope I think so okay good thank you so is there a motion to approve the city manager 2024 performance goals and review process with the modification of uh first part of Section 8 to include the concept of trust moved second all right M egna moves member Jackson seconds the motion is stated respect to approval of the city manager 2024 performance goals and review process as modified in Section 8 with the word adding the word trust any further discussion yeah I just want to say thank you to member Pierce for working so much on this I really appreciate it and to member rer for raising the issue and to manager abut thank you all right uh we got a motion and a second any further discussion those in favor of the adoption of the motion stated say I I I opposed carried motions approved thank you uh the only other item the other item I have for tonight is just to let you know we have hired our new uh Dei manager his name is Thomas Brooks and if you are able to attend uh tomorrow night's uh juneth event he will be there and you'll have a chance to meet him if you're not uh we have invited him to attend the July council meeting for a brief interview uction but we're happy to have him on staff he started uh yesterday and that's all I have thank you right uh member rer have you got anything for us this evening for the good of the order um just as I've been um working on learning more about this whole process of uh manager evaluation um MMA which I don't know if we've talked about but this is the international City County management asso Association is a really amazing organization and um it might be something that people would be interested in joining if they haven't joined it already and so I wanted to raise it and the other thing too is this um feeling really um good about this process being launched and it it does sort of feel like we're well I'm going down a path that's new and so this is helpful information but it's really nice to know the process is underway and that is all I have remember Jackson thank you Mr Mayor so last week we attended the opening of the substation of for the police at Southdale mall it was a really great event I'm so excited it's going to reduce um response times and free up people to patrol the neighborhood more so that the crime at Southdale is addressed immediately it's reduced um shoplifting already is my understanding as well as response time so super excited about that um and I went out today and looked at two Creeks that have been remanded mini minihaha Creek in Arden Park and 9M Creek in the along the 9M Creek Trail and they both looked like they're really working well to reduce um uh flooding I thought they would be over the banks and and everything was was really looking great so I wanted to acknowledge the work that was done on that thank you member Pierce uh thanks Mr Mayor um just inviting people out tomorrow to Centennial Leakes um for um juneth and then um that's Wednesday then Thursday the um not the fair the farmers market um uh tomorrow what time is tomorrow started is that 4: four to 4 to 4 to n 4 to8 Thursday yeah I'm speaking at 650 yeah 6 to8 I was told to be there at 545 I think yeah 6 to8 and um that's it so what was it last Thursday I think there was a duck race at Arden Park and I I think last year I had seen pictures from it and I was like oh my gosh there was a duck R like how did I miss out on that and so this year I was looking forward to it so much and they the Ducks arrived when I was in Bethesda and my husband like text me he's like why are there two ducks on our front yard and I was like don't ask questions you don't want answers to and so then I forgot to decorate them and I woke up that morning like 4:30 and I was like oh my gosh girls we have to go decorate our ducks um and it was so much fun and I got there I have a 4 and a half-year-old and three-year-old and they absolutely loved it and they got so into the Ducks but then I got there and I was so jealous that I didn't decorate a dock and get like I was like next year I have to get myself a dock uh and then Carolyn walks in and she has three ducks and so I just I think it was an amazing event um it was really fun saw the mayor there as well um and just want to thank the Edina Community Foundation for putting that on um great event and a great way to um bring my girls to a park they hadn't been to yet and just kind of engage in the community so want to celebrate that great observation and congratulate member Jackson on her win in the adult race won yeah she won the duck race and uh for adults yes and then uh turned around and gave the winnings right back to the Community Foundation so that was very generous and then for tomorrow night you didn't mention that you were the special speaker right and all your humility we we'll announce that people should be there tomorrow night because you're the special speaker so I you know I will mention so what we're doing tomorrow so um our family is doing the remarks so my wife will be there my youngest daughter my middle daughter and so what we're going to do uh we have a compilation of letters that were written in 1865 and um the letter they're going to read um a letter which is a compilation of different letters but the theme is one is from a slave owner one is from an abolitionist and then the other is from a freed slave um and so they're going to read them and there's short letters they'll read them a paragraph at a time in sequentially so people can get a sense of of how complicated things like the Emancipation Proclamation there was no juneth but these letters that were used to do these compilations were from um two years after the Emancipation Proclamation when um the last slaves in galvon Texas were notified and so it's kind of a neat it'll be a neat I think it'll be a neat way to go through it so come out to see us I guess yeah well and there's for the kids I would say there's free books about juneth and I'll be passing those out I'll be passing out books yeah so a lot of us will be out there I'm sure uh that's that's it for me as well so we got a motion to adjourn they moved second second Jackson moose member U and member Pierce Ty on seconding getting on out of here uh all those in favor of adjournment say I I I POS carried We Stand adjourned e e