Okay. Ready. >> Calling to order the September 16th, 2025 meeting of the Long Lake City Council. It's 6:30 p.m. All council members are present this evening with the exceptions of Council Member Feldman's absent fire notice. >> I'm sorry. Thank you. Council member newcomer. Wow. Council member newcomer is absent. Excuse me. Okay. Item two is the pledge of allegiance. Please join me to the flag of the stands indivisible and justice for all. >> Okay, moving on to item three, mayor's comments. Wallick news meeting review and updates. Just a few things to pass on this evening. We've not had any major city events in the last couple weeks since our last council meeting. So, nothing to report there. We did just complete busy um couple hours here for the council and our EDA. We had a city council work session where we discussed uh city rightway and kind of got some guidance from our city attorney on that. And then we also discussed the proposed preliminary 2026 levy and budget. We'll be discussing that more during our council meeting this evening. And then finally, we had an EDA meeting, our economic development authority meeting where we learned about um some um tax increment financing district. It's kind of coming to a close and all we'll be talking about that as well here shortly. And then we reappointed uh resident Tim Holman to serve continue to serve or reappointed him on econ economic development authority through the end of 2026. appreciate him service. Otherwise, uh I went last week I went to an annual meeting with Hen County Commissioner Heather Eden where she with all the mayors that she represents in her county district. Got some updates from the countywide level. Heard from our new county administrator who's an internal person who's kind of came up through the ranks and heard from some of her staff as well. The county is working on their 2026 budget just like we are. And it sounds like that I think I believe today county board is going to going to um approve their preliminary budget and just kind of what those numbers are and how those impact our our city. I was al also just going to learn that you know the hemp county board voted to take over the hemp county or HDMC which I think is now known as Henipin Health here a few weeks ago maybe a month or two ago and didn't know much about that you know so now we as sort of you know county residents own that and that must be some financial liability there but it needed to be done on most accounts and medical center provides a lot of service to not only county residents but residents across the states and even the the greater some neighboring states as well and there's a lot of financial sort of red tape that goes into that. So just kind of a warning I would say that we heard from you know that financially there might be some some more to come to that when it comes to the county being responsible for running healthcare but it is you know by far a very well well regarded uh level one that serves really the entire state with that though um I also went to the White Fire Department pancake breakfast annual pancake breakfast on uh Sunday. Good event there. Great to see Lon Lake firefighters out working their their giant rotating cooking element that uh former fire chief made to cook the pancakes and the French toast. And so great event there, perfect weather and good turnout just like we did at our own pancake breakfast. All right, so that's a couple updates there. Anyways, with that, we'll move on to item uh four, which is to approve this evening's agenda. Make a motion to approve the agenda. >> I'll second. >> All right. Motion and a second. Any further discussion? All right. All those in favor signifi signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. Opposed. Motion carries unanimous unanimously. Item five, consent agenda. items A through H on the consent agenda this evening, including several a couple of special event permits. Any questions for staff regarding items on the consent agenda? If not, entertain a motion to approve this evening's consent agenda. >> I'll make a motion to approve tonight's consent agenda. >> Second. >> All right. Motion in a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? I >> opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Item six, open correspondence. Open correspondence is an item on the agenda during which the public made by city council. No formal actions taken by the city council and comments should limited to five minutes or less. Does not look like we have any audience participants for open correspondence this evening. Any emailed open correspondence. >> All right. Move on into item seven, regular business. Start with 7A. Recognition of city administrator Scott West. Are you doing part of this or am I doing part of this or >> certainly motion to adjourn? >> Uh, city administrator Wesky here is um leaving us for greener pastures and says he's leaving us to take the position with the city of Greenfield. Um, his last day with us will be this coming Friday. Um, he began his service in January 2014. So, he's been for 11 years and um we have managed not to scare him off all that time. Um so tonight we just wanted to recognize that a little bit. Um say thank you for your service. Um leave you with a couple of things to remember us by. And we're not done. >> Um and just of course you know before we get to that ceremony just a reminder for the council that we have um a friendly get together for him tomorrow at Um, we originally advertised it at 3 to 6, but we know you have a family obligation that came up tonight at least closer to 3 to 5:30. So, kind of adjusting time on 3 to 5:30. >> I thought it was 6. >> It was 3 to 6. >> Oh, man. I was thinking it began at Okay. 3 to 6. Yes. >> 3 to 5. >> Yes. And appetizers and non-alcohol beverages will be on us. Hope you can join us in celebrating Scott's years of service and wishing him well in a less formal way. >> Great. >> Well, we really appreciated having you as our city administrator these last 11 years, Scott. It's you're the only city administrator I've known and it's going to be weird to to adjust and yeah, for most of the council I love John. >> Yeah. No, I he's the only one I've known too. >> Okay. The longest serving council member. So that's this is very unique for for a city especially of our size to have a city administrator with us this long and so you know we appreciate that your longevity and your institutional history and knowledge and all that sort of thing and carry the torch all these years and carried us through some some rough times with fire department situation and some other you know just average challenges that the cities have. You've done a great job on that and we appreciate that. going to miss your your leadership here and we have a plaque to give you that uh be able to uh present you officially present you with and hopefully have room for us in a new office here but we're get moving it back here in a couple weeks a community service award presented to Scott Westy in appreciation for dedicated service and commitment to being lake January 2014 September 2025 a nice new logo Yeah. So, present that to you later. But yeah, thank you very much for your service for our city all of these years. >> And in addition to that, we want you to remember logos old and new. >> Oh boy. >> So, in the new logo bag that you can carry your flag in, you have the old logo. I hope to see this. Just so you can remember our private joke. >> This one has to be the last one. >> Did you steal that off our desk a lot? >> No, I I didn't know. Here's a glass. >> And back when that was still the logo we were using, I had commissioned her to meet the special members of them. >> Oh. >> Folks who were long time employees or longtime service members. And then of course we changed our logo. So I don't know what I'm going to do now. back to the drawing boards. >> Awesome. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it. >> Yeah, more to come as well. >> I'm staying nice vacation coming up and that'll be that good segue to your new position and that'll be nice and and yeah, we wish you the best of luck in your new position and maybe a little closer to home and that sort of thing. So, congrats on that. Anything else you want to say? You got a prepared speech. >> Maybe tomorrow. >> Great. All right. Well, your last meeting is that chair, so enjoy it while you can. All right. Item one and item 7B, descertification tax increment financing districts number 1-6. That is correct. What's 1-6 item? Correct. Okay. Of the city of Long Lake. You want to start this one off? >> Yeah. Thank you, council. Um, tonight we are asking the approval of the descertification of tax increment financing districts 1-6. And with us this evening, we have Jason from Ellers, Inc. to talk with the council and to answer any questions that you might have as it relates to the certification of this taxing district. I'd like to welcome Jason. >> Welcome Jason. Yes. Uh, good evening, mayor, members of the council. Uh, again, Jason Arzold with Ellers. Uh, we're here tonight because you have a tax increment district that has paid for all of its obligations. Uh, in this case, it was a pay as you go note to a developer. And, uh, as mentioned with EDA, when that happens, the city's required to descertify uh, that tax increments financing district. And so, the resolution for you tonight, the council is similar to the one that was passed by the economic development authority earlier this evening, which to effectively descertify that tax increment district, meaning that uh it will no longer collect tax increments and that the tax base that's available there uh as we talked about $189,000 will be available to you for budgetary purposes starting in 2026. Uh I did Scott just while we were in between meetings. Uh uh so that's what's being captured currently the base tax capacity was 40,666. So that's what the base tax capacity was before development happened. Okay. went up to 189 which again the goal of of a tip project is that you grow the tax base which which happened in this case. Uh the other piece here that we did also discuss is that there's a cash balance sitting in that particular tax increment district just over a million dollars with a million 90,000. Uh when uh we get to the end of the district, we run a calculation to determine how much of that you can keep for uh spending tax increment dollars in other parts of the city which we call pooling. Uh and so we ran that calculation and determined that you can keep about $350,000 in that tip fund that then can be used for eligible project costs basically throughout the entire city. As we discussed, infrastructure improvements are most likely scenario for spending those particular dollars that are related to recent development that has occurred in the development district. Uh then what'll happen is the remaining 738,000 roughly will go back to the county. The county then will redistribute that to the city, county, and school uh proportionately based on current tax rates. So we are estimating right now that means about 276,000 will come back to the city. When those dollars come back, they're completely unrestricted dollars to do anything with that you wish. Uh and so that's how that fund balance will be handled and then the amount that will be available to you next year for taxes. So I'll stop there. I'll be a little more brief than maybe with the EDA, but certainly I could answer any other questions that you might have thought of between then or might have just just now. So, >> thank you. And yeah, we got a good recap of this at the earlier meeting for that EDA as was mentioned. Any other questions that come up or details folks are looking for? >> All right. If not, we'll entertain a motion on this one. I'll make a motion to adopt resolution number 2025-33 approving the descertification of tax increment financing district number six uh 1-6 uh of the city of Long Lake. Second. >> All right. Motion and a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? >> Opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Great. Thank you for that presentation. All right. that we'll move on to item 7 C adoption of preliminary 2026 payable levy and establish the truth and taxation public meeting date to discuss levy and proposed budget. >> All right. Um so this is the time of the year we can set our preliminary levy. Um, as you remember, we can uh set a li set a levy limit, but then we can reduce it down. Um, it's easier to reduce down than it is to increase it. And we did work on this and talk through this during the work session. Um, so some of the factors that were into this uh 2026 budget was that again for how many years in a row we have not received any LGBT. So that's at zero dollars. Um, we do believe to see some building permit revenues. um increase with the surrounding areas. I mean, I know that some of the housing values have not increase and we saw that um in our tax adjust tax capacity, but um we're starting to see a lot more remodels and like bathroom upgrades, etc. So, those are re bringing some revenues in for permitting and um I think there's even maybe some subdivisions that have been talked about. Um uh also there's an our employees are have a 3% cola that has been put into this along with some other the public works maintenance workers are still on the plan. So they'll be getting step increases um throughout the year. Also um we budgeted a 10% premium increase for health insurance. I do believe that's still going to be relatively close for the numbers that we're seeing. So, we're um actually pretty happy with the 10% increase the way increases have been going last couple years. Um we have been they kind of did this on the fly since we changed it since the the work session. The 2026 recommend levy is $1,910,42 which is $164,700 increase from 2025 which reflects a 9.44% increase. right to everybody. >> Um, you know, just slightly from what's on the sheet. There's one 82242141 just um by $20. >> All right. >> But the bottom number, right, isn't it? >> Uh, look at that. >> Yeah, the bottom number is right, >> right? >> So, the other one to let make sure I got it right. >> And so, um, with that being said, as I mentioned about the text capacity, it increase $120,691 in 2025. Um, and so that shows your tax history. And as we increased our um leving amount this for 2026und like 64,000 that does increase your tax rate from 33.4 to 35.8%. Um I think that's what was reflected on the scale that we were looking at um in the work session. I just want to make sure everybody also agrees with that. >> Yeah, that's what I that's what I show. >> Okay. And so some things or these items have been budgeted and are in account currently already in the 26 budget is a $10,000 um for professional services related to starting the planning process for the 2050 comp plan. Um there's a transfer from the general fund into the field coding fund $60,000. There is a $50,000 transfer in the general fund to the federal fire department capital um fund. Um, as Amanda mentioned before, that fund's around $100,000 negative right now from that lasting vehicle that we purchased. So, um, the council can bring it whole in a couple years or they can bring it all at once depending on it's probably going to be transferred from your other funds. And then, um, removal of the Emerald Lash for impacted trees, uh, $40,000, which is 30,000 in streets, and then $10,000 in parks. Um, if you remember, we're trying to focus on the ones that are high high risk, high viability and um, some of the ones the parts are easier to get to. So, we don't have to have as many consulting services or contractors coming in, but maybe some of the trees by power lines or in houses that we will need to have maybe some people come in and help. Um, let's act back one more back one more. I just want to look at the Okay. >> All right. Um so something that has not been um budgeted for has been um a transfer to the general fund from the 401 fund of maybe $50,000 to replace the roof. I know that is something that we've talked about in the past. We do have one section that blew off, but it has it's repaired enough right now. But maybe worth taking a a good look at the condition of the roof. I know we mentioned once upon time looking at solar panels. So, I think maybe you want to maybe um just double check support and um if this roof is, you know, asphalt roof tile is what you want versus steel. I mean, there's multiple things you can look at there. And then also go through uh the the process and um of looking at all your funds and maybe delegating some of the reserves we have on hand into these special funds so that you have a good starting point for some of your CIP accounts. um you know, if you're looking at parks and trying to get into playgrounds, you know, there's some opportunities to transfer some of those funds out and um please start the the process of planning and putting them at the date of time that you would like to see them replaced. Um and so with that being said, you're going to have um some other opportunities with the tip being descertified now, and there's going to be some catches. There's some changes, too. So, they'll be beneficial. Um, and then some things that I haven't did not include in the slide deck is that the police contract went up about $8,200 in 2025. Um, the fire department budget increased about $196,000 in 2025, which >> that is included in your estimate. >> Yes. Yeah. So that transfer. So as of right now in the current budget is 250 $250,000 for operations and $50,000 for capital. So the capital I did kind of mentioned already in this last slide. So that's $300,000 and then um subtracted out what we paid last year. So that's why it's a $96,000 and then so really there's health insurance that talk about talk about cola that's in your report. Um, and so I highlighted almost everything else that was in your packet. Um, and what changed from a leg a couple weeks ago we had a different kind of conversation of just trying to keep the tax rate flat. Um, but we did have a conversation about what it could look like if we start planning for a project of a $3 million $3 million or $6 million project. But we know that as the staff and council, we're looking to trying to um start moving our way towards large improvement and um and knowing that we can't not do street projects. Um so we're trying to find the best place and best project for the city of Long Lake and the utilities and you know related to INI. So um that's why there was a little bit increase in this levy from last time as presented but it can always go down. And then um also in your package two resolutions. One of them is going to approve the preliminary levy that we discussed and then also set a separate resolution for truth and taxation for December which is the other opportunity for the public to speak once you receive kind of the impacts of the tax rate and proposed tax. Okay, presentation there. We mentioned we talked about this during our work session too in fair amount of detail. Any other questions or comments? >> Oh, we we like you said we talked about this uh at length um during the work session and this is a preliminary budget. As we've said, this uh can go down and can't go up in the final uh that we vote on in December. So, I'll make a motion to adopt resolution number 2025-29 establishing preliminary property tax levy payable in 2026 for the city of Long Lake in the amount of 1,910,42 which amounts to a 9.44% levy increase. Did I get that right? So, second. >> All right. Motion in a second. Any further discussion? All right. All those in favor signify by saying I >> I opposed. Motion carries unanimously. >> And see I'll make a motion to adopt resolution number 2025-30 establishing a truth and taxation public meeting date as December 2nd, 2025 to discuss the proposed levy and budget for taxes payable 2026 for the city of Lake. >> I'll second that. motion and the second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? >> Opposed? Motion also carries unanimously. Thanks, Scott and Janette. Amanda, all of you for helping to put that one together and a lot of moving pieces this year with um sort of some unknown financial financials for next year with fire department and and old ash trees and um and all those sorts of things that are going on in road projects. So we'll fine tune that as we get on December 2nd. Okay, with that we'll move on to item 7, request to approve appointment of interim city administrator. Janetta, you going to walk through this one? >> Thank you, mayor. Um at uh the council's August completing the city council formally accepted administrator West's resignation effective at the end of this week. And the position of city administrator is is an important one. Um and just to read a couple of the duties aloud in summary. The position oversees and manages city operations, city finances, implements policies, and fulfills duties as assigned by the city council. Um with city administrator it is necessary for the city to retain the services of an interim city administrator to perform the duties um until we make a decision um on hiring um or appointing a city administrator and they begin their employment. So, we did discuss this with the council in a work session. Um, I believe it was our last meeting now on the second and staff is recommending that the council consider adopting a resolution to appoint finance director Amanda West uh to act as interim city administrator until a decision has been made regarding filling the provision. Um, we also are recommending that um given that going to performing the duties of uh both her current position as finance director um and interim city administrator. We're recommending that or I'm recommending that her base pay be temporarily increased to $8,040 a month. Um an amount equaling approximately 91% of step one entry level pay rate for the city administrator position during the period of the temporary appointment. And that's documented. I uh with some assistance I had a little mockup and um essentially that salary is $8,040 a month on a temporary basis for those two positions combined. It essentially amounts to kind of set negative four to the city administrator pay scale. You know, backing it out a couple percent. Um, so we do have, you know, some math and documentation behind that. That wasn't just an arbitrary number. It was kind of, okay, let's back that down 2% 2% 2% and see what the negative steps would look like so we could come at something that recognizes um that this is a person taking on the duties at an entry level. So at any front of the council for consideration, >> it's not in your motion to drop. It doesn't say interim effective September the 20th 2025 but it doesn't say anything about the motion to the >> that is contained in the resolution the wage rate in the resolution. >> Okay. >> You'll see um I'm going to now therefore be at resolve. >> Okay. >> Number two discusses the compensation. >> Okay. So I can make a motion to adopt resolution 20253-31 appointing Amanda Noki to the position of interim city administrator effective September 20th, 2025. >> Second. Nice motion and a second. Any further discussion? All right, I'll call for vote then. All those in favor? >> Opposed? Motion carries unanimous. Congratulations, Amanda. Look forward to having that position and choose to fill with Scott's departure here. And then we're confident with the separation of duties and things like that and those staff's working on that, ensuring that with two staff members in city hall here versus three correct procedures in place for that. So appreciate your work on that. All right. And then we'll move on to item seven. What we got here? We're getting up to D or I'm sorry, E. Um, fire department updates, transition, um, etc. Yes, the big the big update is we're meeting with city boro officials tomorrow to go over the joint powers of agreement draft. We've been working on that for the last several months. Both cities I think are interested in ensuring that it's kind of a lock tight contract or agreement that's going to serve for um tenants over the next 20 years. So there's a lot of nuances to figure out there and we've got a few things we need to you know discuss between the two cities and we hope to you know hopefully address all those tomorrow and then have staff work on getting an agreement ready to sign. time tomorrow. What are you gonna have? >> I know. Just a couple days. Yeah, it is. So, coffee hopefully Scott or something away and uh yeah, so looking forward to that. Otherwise, I know the fire um chief pil counterparts continue to work on some transition items as well as at the staff level and getting equipment ready and we got um yeah lots lots to do in the next couple months here but it's continue to advance at a good good pace. updates from rest of the team. All right. And with that, we will move to eight other business. Council member Spellman, thank you for joining us. >> Council Dybeck, >> I don't have anything. >> All right. I don't have anything to add. >> See you guys later. >> Thank you. Oh, thank you guys for everything you've done. Um, it's been a lot of work. >> We'll see you tomorrow. We'll see you tomorrow, too. I forgot. Um, no, we've went through the last 11 years, you've got ups and downs, lots more ups and downs. So, it's been really great place to work. >> Fabulous. Thank you for that. >> Um, just a couple things. Um, I am I've advertised the following pick up dates for Tuesday, October 20th and Tuesday, 114. Uh, so those are out there. I do have I'm struggling to receive confirmation with and I will continue to pursue that one holler until I receive that confirmation. Um also at our um last work session on September 2nd, we uh talked a little bit about um mentoring proposal that we received while we were kind of talking about the future of the city administrator position and I actually received a revised one that includes a lot of a lot of dollars um for both inerson and virtual meetings that did come in under 5,000. So um there's a very reasonable number for the amount of time it entails when each meeting is one and a half hours planned um with six inerson meetings and six virtual call meetings um and you know providing prep time and followup as well as part of that. So was very pleased to receive that proposal and uh that's a project for a later date but just wanted to put that into everyone. >> Great. Thank you for contining to work on that put some just some uh take those steps under consideration here in the coming coming months that and then maybe come back to it. >> Yeah, sounds good. All right. Soon to be interim administrator. >> Yes. Um I wanted to update council. This past week we met with the um Long Lake Wershed District about um kind of an update on the water quality specifically in Long Lake. They are aware of the current water quality in Long Lake and I will be walking with them as well as Sean from public works at the end of the month. Um we've set up an appointment to walk the area and kind of look at possible um improvements to um our waste water, how waste water handle were they have a grant and so they're going to be explaining to me um some of their plans and we'll look for opportunities to work with them to improve our lake quality. >> Where the where did the grant come from? Do you know where it came from? >> I don't feasibility study for the downtown industrial park area because there's a high road that goes in from this section into trying to figure out what kind of >> high what element >> that's all the phosphorus and stuff >> totally reload >> but you know it it it's as bad as I've seen it this year it was really bad the whole summer and uh and it was different it was it was like globs of green suspended below the surface even when you didn't have the surfacey stuff and and it's like something's going on there that I haven't seen before. So, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think that's great that you're doing that. I've looked also been researching a little bit about Allen treatments because I think that's to be unstable, too. It's not cheap, but it it would give uh, you know, instant relief for and and I think it lasts like 10 years or more. But, um, but I don't think the wershed district is looking at those kinds of solutions. But is that who you were meeting with or was it the the lake association or >> Well, um, we were actually meeting with the watershed district, but the lake association was present. Okay. They did um they were very adamant that there they were also noticing some changes this year that they hadn't seen in years past. >> Yeah. >> And they were they were pushing for resolution and not not five years out. >> Yeah. Well, I was going to say the water district is great what they're doing, but they're looking at solutions that are more like 10 years out. Correct. You know, I I I really want to see some >> because it was it was it was barely usable. Yeah, it was it was uh you know the whole summer it was it was like that and we didn't we didn't even have this the the swim buoys up right I mean beach wasn't usable most of the summer and that's just bad it's just it's not good for people who are going to you know come to use the lake and and uh >> if you can the water looks green >> well yeah green plus there's that blue green >> algae and it's like >> I Yeah. Yeah. >> So, yeah, thank you for doing that. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. I'm I'm new to this, so I was I was excited to make those introductions and I've actually been working um with Rachel from the district. >> Okay. >> If you need some help with that, I you know, we used to have who was the liaison to the >> council member newcomer was he was there with us. >> He was with >> Oh, he was okay. Good. >> Yeah. It was a wonderful meeting and I look forward to bringing more updates to council in the future. >> So, is this the mini haha watershed district? Okay. >> And didn't they come in a long time ago and they you got to get going? >> Yeah. Yeah, I know. >> We can discuss this different time. They did that study and it was from coming in >> Madina in the new developments, right? or they did one from um uh Hoba Park was >> still further, you know. And we need to remember too that orno twoird of the lake and they were Oh, they were okay. >> Yeah. Yep. It was few of our neighboring cities because I would think that they are just as unhappy with the current water quality as >> I would imagine their lake shore owners are just as disappointed. What I find really interesting is that phenomenon was not unique to Long Lake this year. >> Well, yeah, but it is worse on this on some other lakes than it really is. But, uh, I'm experiencing by far. But what I found very interesting is that I mean, this is actually it'll be interesting to see if Henipin County gets involved in some way because >> they were experiencing, you know, lot more beach closures than we've seen. cities begging them to start, you know, testing for blue green algae versus relying on cities to make a visual observation. And and so it'll be interesting to see how, you know, and if the testing program evolves for next year. Um, you know, if at any point this becomes an environmental health concern where the county um steps up and gets involved in some way, you know, but yeah, Long Lake had a roughier is worse than I've ever >> It's not a good look for our city. I mean, I was I was just I was looking on on social media just two days ago. Somebody, you know, putting out, hey, what's a good local lake to fish? And they I was going to go to Long Lake and they said, "No, don't go to Long Lake. Go Lake Independence." But, you know, so, you know, the message is out there that you don't want to go to Long Lake. >> It's been a subject of a lot of calls all summer long all summer long. And >> I, you know, >> it's really disappointing and be exciting to see what improvements and ideas are. >> I ran some numbers on how we can do an Allen treatment. I'll I'll talk to you about it. >> That would be great. >> That would be great. >> Yeah, it it's it's it's um it's aluminum something dioxide or or something that that then uh you know reacts with the phosphorus and locks up the phosphorus so that and then it just doesn't then promote algae growth. It precipitates. Yeah. Yeah. And so they they throw it out, you know, they just spread it out over the lake and it sinks down to the bottom and then it locks up the phosphorus for, you know, if it's done right, it could last for 10 years or more. And and and and uh you know, I have seen it work. And so I I think you know, it's not cheap. It's probably like $100,000. >> There was one done on this lake during my time here. I just don't remember what year. I had found it at one point. I heard it was done in the 70s, but it was done more recent than that. >> There was one more recent >> uh Marvel was here. >> No, but it was >> before your time. >> It was like 2010 or >> somewhere between 2003 and 2010. >> Found it on the council. >> It was I don't I it would have been closer to 2003 then because the research that I did didn't suggest that it was done even in recent years before I moved here in 2012. So um recollection of it. >> Do do you remember how that how that was paid for? >> I do not >> because here's the thing. They say, you know, one thing is you you need to take care of a carp problem first. They could to do it right because the carp are going to stir up the bottom and then they're just going to, you know, kind of, you know, cancel out the the effect that you're putting in. And so we have gotten rid of at least some of the carb. And so, um, you know, I I'd like to to consider that as an option. >> I wonder if the water association who would have any kind of an appetite for a fundraising purpose. >> Well, that's that's part of my funding plan is to have both cities contribute some, maybe the Lakes owners contribute some because it benefits them and then do a fundraiser for the for the rest. And I don't know how how that would go, but I I kind of ran some numbers I can kind of run by you. >> See what you think. >> Bird shoes, you know, just all those >> Oh, yeah. >> Rolling Club. I mean, no, everybody that benefits from it, you know. >> All the different sources of water. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I think there was >> I just Well, I think there's a lot of holding ponds that haven't been like dug out because I think they just kind of accumulate these these EMDLs and and uh you know, you have to maintain that. I don't know if they have. So when they get full then it just starts overflowing and just start pouring the stuff into the lake. And by the way that's just goes downstream to many to Lake Manka >> too. So so there should be interest there to to take care of this problem. But >> um >> but I if you can find out Janette on when it was done I because I I the only thing I read was a newspaper article that was from >> 70s I think or 80s. >> You point that out. >> Yeah. I'd be curious to to know because I have heard about some that were sorry I keep going here but I've heard about some that they you know some say oh no it doesn't work we tried it it only lasts a couple years and but it if it's done right is what I'm reading it can last 10 years plus and so >> have to try to remember where I found some documentation on this I'll see what I'll see what I can track down >> one more item of other business by the way and I apologize Thank you guys for jumping in on that. I actually am out of town on a camping trip. Hopefully not under too much rain. Um I will be out of the office from Thursday to Monday. >> Okay, >> have fun. >> Great. Good for you. Hope the phones don't ring much. >> Uh and then real quick, uh fall cleanup day. I should have mentioned that did a good job sending out email today. But this Saturday 8 a.m. to noon or public works facility bringing uh e-waste, old furniture, old appliances, that kind of thing. So appreciate Orno's partnership on that team up day on Saturday morning. Otherwise, next meeting Tuesday, October 7th, will be your next council meeting. All right. Nothing else. If not, I will adjourn the meeting by general consent. He's adjourned at 7:15 p.m. >> Yeah. >> 400 relay.