when I talked to him, I think we like were like perfectly offset our Well, that worked out well. All right. He only mentioned attending the last meeting remotely, so make any kind of arrangement or notification for that tonight. That was all right. There's a story to that, is there? Yeah, I got Charlie, but I had a Bloomberg reporter reach out to me. Oh, really? Yeah. Let's get you don't want to say too much. Give it another turn off the Lego. [Music] Isn't it Gala? Oh, we're waiting till 6:30. Right. Yes. I always called it Gala. Gala. My dad always called it Gala. But chances are since we're from Hilly, Iowa, we probably pronounced it wrong. 6:30. Pretty confident we said. Okay, it looks like they started in order. All right, we'll start rolling then. All right, call into order the July 15th, 2025 meeting of the Lawn Lake City Council. Good evening, everyone. It's 6:30 p.m. All council members are present this evening with the exception of Council Member Newcomer. For item two, please join me in the pledge of allegiance. Pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, item three, mayor's comments, Lon Lake News meeting review and updates. So there has been a kind of a busy couple of weeks since we last met just before the 4th of July. So hope everyone had a great Fourth of July. It was a nice on Friday, pretty pretty hot as those as you remember if you're in town. Um a good uh good weekend there and then this past weekend was very busy with Buckhorn days on Saturday. Great event all day long in Nelson Lakeside Parks. I want to thank Lone Lake Area Chamber of Commerce, specifically Marty Schneider for organizing that. Other participants of the Long Lake Waters Association, Orin Alliance, Wisetta Police, Long Lake Fire Department. They tried a few new things this year, including in the morning having the Long Lake Fire Department Red Hot Run, which has been on a different date historically, but was on the date of Buckhorn Days this year. So, mixed up a bit and had a new course and ran that. That was a fun event and wasn't wasn't too hot uh thankfully. So good turnout there and good turnout of Buckhorn Days itself. I haven't gone over to the Pioneer Museum to check officially yet, but I think it's probably the first time we had all-star wrestlers in Nelson Lakeside Park. So that was a little interesting different spin on things. But uh brought out a really good crowd. So, I know a lot of our council was there as well and good to see there. I got we got some good feedback that was well well attended by us as well as other community members. So, I know a lot of work goes into planning those types of events. So, thank you to those that uh that were involved in that. It's always a great event for our community. Otherwise, um, continue to have issues at Nelson Lakeside Park as far as the blue like blue green algae is the quasi official diagnosis there. Not just it's happening, understanding is a lot of lakes in our area right now, especially the warmer weather and other factors. So, our staff put out an email earlier today about the beach being closed currently, but the water levels have subsided at least as before about a half hour ago or so. Hope this latest rain didn't change that. I'm sure it didn't. So, good that the lake is uh open again when it comes to that at least. Upcoming event uh that we just learned about is on Tuesday, July 29th. The Weisetta Police Department is sponsoring a kind of hosting a new a new type of event which is called Sand Castles and Squads. So, you can go down to Weisetta to the beach in Weisetta on that afternoon of uh from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. where they're going to have uh free treats and and water and have a sand castle building contest with uh a pri prizes and uh you get to build sand castles at the Wisto Police Department. So, that seems like a neat community event. and certainly those um with I'm assuming it's mostly geared towards children uh that live in Lawn Lake as well as Viset are invited to attend that and our city staff has put out information on that. So, thank you for that. So, lots going on in the middle of the summer here and hopefully everyone's getting outside to enjoy some of these events. All right, with that we'll move on to item four, which is to approve this evening's agenda. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. I'll second motion and a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Item five is consent agenda. items A through E on the consent agenda this evening, including item E, which is a special event permit for Cornday's 5K run and walk on August 9th, 2025. Did I read that that's going to follow the same course as the as the Red Hot Run? Yeah. Okay. Neat. Yeah, that was a nice course. Great because from an event perspective for approval, I mean the map's essentially already been approved and tested for a couple of years. So it made it a pretty quick turnaround. Great. Yeah. And the firefighters did a really good job staffing the positions. I think there's only the one point where it crossed Wise Hill Boulevard. So made for at the official Marv Worer or the crossing to Worer Trail there. So it was a good course. Great. Well, any questions, other questions for staff on the consent agenda? Just the um the ecumen um the letter credit. So, we're refunding 62K. Um as far as that, I actually didn't put that on consent today for because I thought council might have some questions. So, that's actually going to be on a regular business item. Okay, perfect. Business. No problem. Good question. All right. I assumed it was. Any other questions for staff? Otherwise, I'd entertain a motion to approve Miss Seaman's consent agenda. I'll make a motion to approve the consent. I'll second. Motion and a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Item six, open correspondence. Open correspondence is on the item on the agenda during which the public may address the city council. No formal actions taken by the city council and comments shall be limited to 5 minutes or less. and open correspondence comments may also be emailed to city staff by noon on the date of the meeting. Anyone wish to approach for open correspondence this evening. Okay. Honorable mayor, members of the council, Brian Miller, 295 Lake View Avenue. I don't have a very good presentation tonight, but I do have some stuff I'd like to get across and um um it probably be a little bit scattered uh presentation, but you know, bear with me. So, I'd like to draw the city's attention to County Road 6, which recently the Henipin County uh repaved that road. And I thought I was done talking about roads, and I really am. Uh, but I'm not because if you look at County Road 6, they just did a beautiful job with this small stone and oil overlay. It seems like a fancy new version of the oil and stone overlay. It's really nice and it's probably too expensive for us, but I know that uh two meetings ago, this council voted to go ahead and spend $60,000 on the industrial park streets. If you go to look at those streets, they're in fine shape. they are in. I don't see why they need any maintenance whatsoever. Um, when it comes to Lake View Avenue, if you don't mind, I've still using my map from 1940. When it comes to Lake View Avenue, Central Avenue and Upper Lee, um, those are worse than a cattle trail at this point. And it's neglect going back to after Marv resigned. I don't remember what year that was, Janette. Maybe you do. But um you may recall a friend of mine from Mindot is a uh road designer. He did the Super Two here. And when he was riding his bike down Lake my bike down Lake View Avenue trying it out, he came back and commented about Lake View Avenue and what a mess it is. And I asked him would that oil and small stone work to you know is that sufficient? He said absolutely. I mean that will buy you several years. So, I know Charlie is down at the state capital up and uh you know advocating for money for Lake View Avenue and uh that's great and I really appreciate it. But um and I also really appreciate the hard work that this city and this council has put towards the fire department. And I know everybody's been sidetracked by this for several years, but this issue goes back to, like I said, back since Marv retired when I moved in 26 years ago. I almost immediately met Marv standing in Central Avenue and he explained to me the roads are 22 feet wide. The city uh rightway is 50 ft. So that means that 14t into my property is actually the city's rightway. And it's the city's responsibility. Uh, a couple weeks ago, I was down in a neighbor's house at uh, 100 Lake View Avenue block and he explained to me when he was having his driveway installed that he contacted the city about the culvert that goes underneath it. So, he was met by Shawn and Shawn told him that the culvert is not his responsibility. Well, it is. Long story short, Shawn accepted responsibility, dealt with the culvert, and the driveway got done. Um, so what I'm leading up to is there's I feel after my 26 years of living here and since Marv retired, there's severe neglect going on in this portion of Long Lake Heights, everybody's streets are getting taken care of. Uh, you know, Martha Lane's in great shape. John, sometimes you bring up things on Wisetta Boulevard that need to be repaired, stuff like that. A bush has died out, stuff. the city is on it like that. So, I just feel like there's such severe neglect going on that these roads now have become Well, let me add this. Tim Holman came back from the city and said that now like Lake View is being kicked down the can can's being kicked down to 2030 and that's not acceptable. You got to go take a drive on Lake View Avenue. Look at Central Avenue. Look at Upper Lee. It is worse than a cattle trail. And if my friend from Mindot says that this oil and stone thing, which has got to be inexpensive compared to what Charlie's trying to do with curb and gutter and tearing out the whole street and doing the whole thing, you need to do something to buy more time because 2030 is too far down the road and it's it's going to be pavement popping up. I know they just did some patchwork. The patchwork was not very good. the first snow plow that goes across is going to tear all that out this this winter. Um, but I my main concern is really that it's the city's responsibility. When Marv was in charge, Marv ran the back hole, installed this culvert underneath Central Avenue and Lake View Avenue, and I've spent a lot of time maintaining the ditches myself. Unfortunately, this culvert is now halfway covered. It's no longer draining. The water sits here. And as you know, the water sits in my backyard. This is Mildred and Drake. Little remedy for you. They they've been coming here for the past three years to swim in the pond of my backyard because this drain does not drain because it's too high off the ground. So, I guess my point is the city used to pay attention to Long Lake Heights. We had a public works director that gave a rat's ass. Uh Marvy used to come and trim my lilocks and I ran out there and said, "Barb, no, no, no. What are you doing?" You know, he's like, "I need to be the street people on the street to be able to see the stop sign at Central Avenue." I said, "I agree, but let me trim it." Ever since then, I trim the city's right away so that people can see the stop sign. But that's the city's responsibility. All of these things are the city's responsibility. If you go walk down Lake View Avenue, most people's homes are immaculate condition. Everything that's the city's responsibility looks dumpy and unckempt. And this is just one of many culverts that are not no longer draining. There are a couple of residents who have filled in their ditch or allowed the the culvert to disintegrate or whatever. They don't do anything, but most of us try to upkeep everything. And we don't have to. It didn't used to be that way. Marv used to take care of it. And he also said thank you to me for taking care of the city's rightway. I remember I laid sod after he came with the backhoe and redid all the ditches and put in new culverts. We Mark Jones and I dressed up our culvert. It looks very nice. It's still in good shape. But my point is, public works needs to get back to paying attention to this portion of Lake View Avenue. Cuz if you go around Long Lake, this portion of Long Lake, Lake View Avenue, Brown Road, if you go around Long Lake, this looks like a disaster zone and it's embarrassing. So, so I have where where are Lake View and Upper Lee Lane on the um scale of U cuz I've walked those and I think those are two of the streets that you mentioned when we were talking about the um last week when we were talking about the budget. Those were two of the ones that you had asked um that we put as priority. I believe it was say on Marv's watch the city came and did that oil and small stone overlay thing where they come back and sweep it up later and stuff and that bought time and I think it does by time part of the justification for doing it on the roadways that are currently in better conditions to keep them that way and I think the situation well remember expert said yes that would buy time Right. That's my experience. I absolutely understand that. But on Lake View Avenue, it's not just that. That's that issue. The roaded itself is in terrible shape underneath. Don't care about the roaded. We're not talking about the roaded. Talking about the surface. It's oil and stone and it fills in the gaps and it'll seal things up and buy us time. That's all. So, um, I don't know. I got to tell you, I am, like I said, this goes back before the fire department stuff. This goes back to the once Marv retired is when things started to change. And it makes me so mad because I literally spend every spring up until the past two years because I broke my leg. And I clear out the ditch to make sure it keeps draining. I shouldn't have to do that. I have to tell you too. One time the water man broke on Brown Road and flooded my garage and I came home and there was Marv. He wanted to get inside the garage and make sure there wasn't any damage and stuff. And that was wonderful. That's a guy who cared. And that's what we need is the city to start acting like they give a rat's ass about this part of Lake View or Long Lake. I mean, I'm sorry. It was insulting to hear that we're spending $60,000 on those streets. I just wouldn't drove them today. It's like, oh my god, these streets are fine. So, I appreciate everything you guys do. You do a great job. You know, I feel that way. But that's my 26 year history here and I wanted you to know about it. And also, I'll say I'm comfortable saying I speak for everybody on View Avenue. I speak for everybody on Opera Lee and and there you go. So, I know I joke around a lot, but I am dead serious about this one. Thank you. Thank you, Brian. Thank you. All right. Any submitted requests? I do have one. Um, I received an email this afternoon from Marty Schneider um that he asked me to read uh aloud this evening and uh moving forward that with that uh greetings Long Lake City Council members. Please accept our sincere thanks to you or to you all and to members of the Long Lake Administration who helped guide us as the Long Lake Area Chamber of Commerce during the planning for this past Saturday's Buckworn Days Festival. In addition to the regular events, we were excited to partner with the Long Lake Fire Department for the first time to have their Red Hot Run 5K as part of Buckhorn Days along with a revival of the carp fishing contest and the first major all-star wrestling event in LA. In particular, Janette Mhler should be recognized for guiding us through the application process, publicity, and details needed to prepare for and have the day go smoothly. I'd also like to extend a special thanks to Shawn Dirks and his public works staff for their wonderful work in preparing the park and being there for us before, during, and after the festival. We're still winding down from last Saturday and would like to be on the next agenda to give you a full deep debrief on the event. It was truly a pleasure to see all of you attend this year's Buckhorn Days as well. Also, please remember to get ready for the August 9th Corn Days parade. That was great. And thank go shouldn't it should be mentioned that I don't think there was any injuries at the bouncy house, right? And that's that's all one head collision, but they seem to walk away from it. So, you did a great job supervising the bouncy house. You know, it's always a tough a tough gig for an entire day. Thanks. Yeah. So, it took a village. What? It takes a village to put this stuff on. That's for sure. Community. All right. Thank you, Janette. All right, with that, we'll move on to item seven, regular business. Start with 7A, receive second quarter 2025 revenues and expenditures. Andy, is this you? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I'd like to first say, Council Member Quali, I was wrong. That was not second quarter. I apologize. I I figured that you get Can you tell my my mind was in second quarter? Um, so to answer your question, because it does pertain to the budget, there was a light Zago had posted a cash letter of credit, line of credit. Um, when development began, we worked with our engineers to to decide how much was required to continue holding as collateral until repairs were completed and warranty was expired. Um, and we were given a number by the engineers and were able to refund the difference. And that money was sitting in the escrow fund which is fund 700. So So we already gave him back. This was the remaining balance. 62 was the remaining balance. That's just what we gave him back. We're still holding 192,000. Okay. Yeah. Of the of the 250 we gave back 60. Okay. So I got it. Yes. So there'll be 192,000 um remaining until we have appropriate um time to make sure everything's completed and warranty has expired. Just because it says warranty, maintenance, and it says a negative so that you that's the part you're holding. I wanted Yes. I wanted to do it in the in the books as a negative so that if they if we ever had to look back, we could see that. Yeah. Was I did the full process rather than just cutting the 62. I wanted to show how we came to the 62. Okay. Cuz when does the warranty and maintenance bond expire? Two year usually. Two years. Really? It hasn't been two years yet. Oh, hasn't it started yet? from um from completion has been hasn't been completed yet. Warranty from completion. Okay. Have a couple items outstanding to complete which is so the retainage is not just for the warranty bond but for the completion of a couple outstanding items. Um the portion we released is for what they have completed from their punch list. Correct. Okay. So, as I mentioned, I apologize. My brain No, I I looked at it and I thought I'm thinking as soon as she'll bring it up. I did. I did. Um, now moving on to the second quarter profit and loss. I wanted to let you know um that currently most of our funds right now are on budget where I would expect to see them midyear. They're ranging between 43 and 56% of expenses. Um, there are two exceptions to that. um one of which is the sewer fund that's currently at 72.6% of his of its expenses. There are some annual um expenses that have already been paid out of that which would justify some as well as some additional engineering costs this year which I'll discuss a little bit more as well. Um the other fund that was slightly higher than half would be our storm our surface water fund which is currently at 68.7%. But that um is as a result of our annual uh costs that have already been paid such as depreciation and bonds. Um looking at your packet, I'm actually do my packet so I can get to the right numbers. Um if we look at cash balances on page 36, cash balances are doing really well. The only um fund balance right now that's that um is at a negative is the fire capital fund and that is due to the purchase of utility 11 vehicle. We talked about it a little bit last week. Um we'll either be doing a transfer at year end to make that fund whole or if there is any settlement um money then that money would go right into that fund. Otherwise, the other the other funds are all cash positive um and as expected where I would where I would expect this time of year. So when the seal coke patch fund um talking in further to uh Brian's comment is that in addition the 60k left in that fund that is actually that was the total amount we budgeted this year. That's how much we transferred into that fund. if you recall um in years past it would just sit in the budget and if we didn't use it it kind of just went away and we felt like um by creating its own fund and doing an annual transfer that would allow us to keep funds that weren't used. So if a fund come or if a project comes in at 40,000 then we have 20,000 for the next year. So this wasn't the one this hasn't been used that could have that's it hasn't been used yet. We haven't done our seal coding, but that was the one that we approved for for industrial and Daniels and the one that last. So, this will be zero. Pretty close to zero. Yes. Okay. And given given the nature of the um seal coding need, I don't expect to run that fund large. I think each year we're going to try to, you know, schedule projects and use the money as it's budgeted just so we don't have to wait so long on certain projects until money is available. We'll just budget accordingly and do the transfer accordingly. Okay. Need um and that is something that we decide when we approve the annual budget each year. How much should be transferred into that fund. Um, when you're looking at your packet, like I said, most of the expenses are as expected. A few of them that I just wanted to point out quickly um are going to be. It's going to be on page 38 at the bottom. You're going to see engineering fees. is there. We're at 137. Um, and this is going, this was related to some larger projects that we had this year. Um, specifically 250 Linda Wood 1138 Under Hill. Some of the larger projects that ended up having engineering costs. um other ones that we had in streets which is engineering fees as it related to our street fund which you're going to see on page 40. We're at 272% of our budget was um but that was due to GIS mapping costs that we had completed. Um, we also put all all engineering costs as it related to the Grand Avenue bond expenses is trying to get that Grand Avenue bond. Um, that was also in that in that expense and that totaled around $3,600 in preparation for that. But we'll be able to use some of that information for Grand Avenue, I believe. So, yes. Um, the other engineering fund I wanted to mention to you as I told you it related to the sewer fund that we were sitting at 72% of the expenses. We we had engineering costs so far as of second quarter. What page is this on? Sorry, the sewer 44 down, 1100, 1200. Thank you. Um 44 about middle of the page, you're going to see it has a quot a note of two next to it. I just wanted to let you know specifically that the district one sanitary sewer televising project as far as like re reviewing the results that was an $8,000 engineering cost. Um and then the other one was money that we've that the engineers have spent with um working with Met Council to try to bring down our INI costs. Now, weren't we going to use some of our TIFF fund money for this or not? Um, we actually met with the with the engineers today to discuss future needs as far as the sewer lining. Um, what our thoughts were as far as district 1 looking at the results and talking about funding sources. We will be bringing that to you in another meeting. Um, TIFF is definitely on our radar and it will be earmarked for sewer lining and kept in a fun. Couldn't it be also used for work related to sewer lining and sewer evaluation? Like all realistically once we get into how much is going to be needed it won't matter. It won't even it won't be a drop in the bucket for what need. Yeah. Um, like I said, we had a meeting with them today and we're going to be bringing the district one results probably at the next council meeting as well as brainstorming uh a direction on how we would like to proceed a sewer lining in our city. Um, I've also talked to Scott a little bit. I think our engineering costs have gone up with just rate per hour of engineers um and some of the magnitude of the projects that we're doing. some of the magnitude of the projects that are be done being done by residents and that we just want engineers input on. Um so we're going to be looking at raising those budget line items a little bit next year to try to be closer. And so the line for actual clean and televised sewer lines that went has gone over to um what what was the reason for that? Just because we did more than we anticipated. I think just budgeting. I think when we did the budget mid mid last year, we tried to make a rough guess of where it was going to be. So, we came out with the 25,000 um based on prior, you know, prior televising, but when the actual estimate came in, it was closer to 32. Now, that estimate did come in lower than WSB had quoted it would be, but at budget time last June, we were still thinking 25. We hadn't hired WSB to do that yet. we be winding down on televising or will it be that level every year going forward now or it's usually depending on linear feet and size of pipe. So you know we didn't have all the details if you want to say of the actual size of pipe. That's what the GIS can do for us now is tell you linear feet size of pipe so we can get better closer to what our estimates can be. I'm just asking if if we're anticipating like a $30,000 a year uh well for more than likely we're going to till advise we're going to go over we're going to do tillise um two and three this year so we can try getting a M council grant. Okay. But so we're so we're just going to do it all to answer question every year. It was it was intended to be every year but that's after the meeting we had today. We're actually thinking we might um actually go ahead right away and and televise two and three. That that's what we're going to talk about next council meeting. Um, and then once we televise it and once if we line it, we won't be televising it every year. That was my question. Item goes on for a long time or just a few more years or I I think it's going to be more we rip off the band-aid this year and then hopefully and then you go more on a 5year rotation. What's the is the expense for two and three each going to be 30-ish or probably because one se one area can be a little bit bigger. So like I think district four district one was the far east side. District four is the one we've already done and line. So two and three are going to be like the downtown is two and I think three is the far west side. So it'll average will probably be close to 30 depending on one bigger than smaller but it's going to come down to the size of pipe and linear feed. So we got 60 grand sitting ahead of us on televising here in the next 12ish months within 3 months. I think so. Within 3 months and then we're going to talk to um Sean about getting some quotes. Now, I think by doing both projects at once, we might be able to save a little bit of money because obviously they're already here. I mean, the implementation would already it would just be a larger area. So, it probably I'm hoping it wouldn't be a full 60. Was that sewer line that goes under the railroad that's really bad? Was that part of District One or or when was that discovered that that was bad? Under the railroad or under the um I thought it was under the Creek. Oh, okay. under the go on we talked about district one that was in district one we were looking at some of that today and we're going to show you some of the videos next week and um some of them are sort of like turning on a faucet Janette and I were talking and unless you would like we were thinking of not having WSB to show you the videos because they're pretty self-explanatory and then we could save on some engineer engineering costs and maybe have staff Is there any way like we could do some um the engineering um with a separate company rather than WSB like some engineering. Well, one thing I know we are talking about and Scott and I looked at it with this month's bill because engineering costs are getting really really high and hard to stay within my budget, but we're asking if our engineer, our main engineer Jeff is wonderful at his job, but we're wondering if there's more things that he can start start outsourcing to his um staff that have Yeah. to staff that have less hourly rates than himself. So, we're hoping to try to utilize other staff and then maybe have him just as a review source. Um, I do think it will be something that staff has to look at much closer this year when as we're doing the budget because like like we told them today in the meeting, we can't spend all our money planning how to fix a project and not leaving any money left to actually fix a project. So good analogy but then we have to get them again because because we don't have Would you say we pay an engineering cost all together from WSB this or will I can tell you what this month's bill is this and the only reason I know that is because we've been going back all all day I want an detailed explanation but this month's bill is $15,000 $17,000 for just so when does it get to the point where we just say let's hire our own engineer when we have enough money to do roads. Well, but I mean this is if it's 17,000 in a month, is that is that unusual? I think there certainly are communities that hire public works directors with engineers backgrounds. Uh we don't have that right now. We have a full-time public works director who is not also a city engineer. Um but they always have their own they still carry on they still have a company does it. So Orno is the only one in the area that has a combination public works director admin public works director notary public director anymore but admin engineer they used to but he retired always outsourcing the big stuff. I when I used to work for Cha, they had a city engineer and you know bit of an engineering department there but again they were outsourcing to at the time um for the big road projects they were just able to handle a little more of the internal reviews. Um but yeah big projects and you know bid documents and plans and specs that always you know would go through an engineering consultant but well there's different kinds of engineers obviously right? So they're not necessarily one person. If we were to hire somebody, they couldn't necessarily do every kind of engineering task, I would imagine. Or I think we're also dealing um with our current city engineer, I would say, is a great engineer, but hasn't done a ton of consulting, I think, before coming to WSB. So he like a city employee uh just gets it done. But in the consulting model, we need we need that authorization to go through us because uh you know we don't it if someone's reaching out to their engineer for example, we don't want them to be reaching out to that person every day of the week. That should be coming through us. Um those are billable hours. So, I think we're also we had some really good talks this week about that and um just doing that a little differently moving forward. Um as well as working a little more with junior staff where where we're able to and I'm hoping that we're going to be getting somewhere. I think the message is starting to come across um that we are being very vigilant in our monthly billings because they're starting we're starting to ask questions uh lots of questions and I think going forward with like I said the district one sanitary sewer review um if we end up reviewing if we end up doing two and three if that does get approved and we want to go forward Scott and I have already talked about we don't need to spend a ton of time reviewing we only need BA, you know, what is our intention going into it? Do we need a full scope massive explanation of every single leak if we're planning on doing the whole Yes. And so I think that's where we just need to be a little bit more um proactive on our end before engaging WSB. And I know that we'll be working with Sean a little bit as well as far as like GIS mapping. Maybe that's something we can include WSB on. Like we said, next meeting. Um maybe have them send us some of the slides and give us an opportunity to present it to council rather than paying for a consultant to sit here during a meeting and present the slides for us, you know, and I think we talked about strategies for rather than having several work sessions about a potential project, let's do a better job of preparing going into that. you know, we don't want to go into a work session to show you a lot of videos. Let's go into a work session, show you two or three of the worst, um, and then, you know, be providing scenarios, that kind of thing moving forward. So um making the most of the time that we are using I think we're now one other thing that one other thing I would like to point out um I think sometimes the percentages look skewed when we're looking at the budget reports that's why I actually go line by line and and look for items that I feel are important to mention specifically on page 44 when we were talking about the sewer fund engineering fees being at 1,200% over budget. We need to keep in mind that the budget itself is only a thousand. And so, right, in a normal year, we would have only spent $1,000 in our sewer engineering cost. But this year, adding a district one and an um Met Council INI plan, we could have probably anticipated right away we were never going to be able to stay under that thousand. Um I think the billable rate's $200. So, it would have been it would have been really really hard to stay under that thousand. And so I think we have to look not just at the percentage but also um actual costs. So on a positive note, the sanitary sewer billings have been 180,000 year to date and the budget was 208. Yes. Now um I was doing my best guess on how much water would be used this year. And if you recall, we moved a lot of the cost the expense out and into its own Met Council treatment fee. So, sewer billings I think I under underestimated and I will be changing that for next year. I will be honest. Um, if you would have asked me about two meetings ago, I would have told you my goal is probably to get that a little bit lower to maybe lower it on the utility bills. But after seeing our result of district sewer lining, that will not happen. We will not be able to lower any utility bills in the sewer fund at all. even given the increase that's going to have to come from the Met Council new fee, it just isn't feasible to try to cover the amount of um infrastructure that we need repaired. So, but yes, I will do a better job next year at estimating. No, that's a that's it's a pleasant surprise. You did bring up Met Council a little bit off here, but what's the the lag on our Met Council bill? Isn't there like a two years? It's a two-year lag. So, this one this rain Yeah. Yeah. This rainy season is going to be what for 28. Well, he was saying 27. Going to be 27 because it's a look back period. So, and it's a half a year. So, it's like July to June. Yeah. So, yeah. So, even not going down anytime soon. I say this series going to be brutal, right? So, so 27 is when this will that's when he was guessing 27 because this was and it could rain 27 28 years. So even if we do a bunch of repairs, we have to still plan that we're going to have met council fees for for at least a few years after. So So we haven't collected all of our um taxes. I was I actually made a separate note on that. I have to switch to my notes because I didn't um we we had requested a 70% early advance on our property taxes. Otherwise, they usually come in July. So, on July 7th, we had a $240,000 deposit into the um current ad taxes and then an additional $35,000 in the fiscal disparities. Where is this? Um I'm sorry, page 37. Yes, I made my notes on the wrong sheet. So, good. So, yes, we're not quite at half, but that is because um property taxes don't usually come until July. We just had requested a advance of 70% early. So that was a 600,000 that we got. Oh, and this is as of June 30th. This is as of June 30th. So now they look right on track. Perfect. Do you have any other questions for me? And obviously I know you guys don't have a lot of time. Um, so if there's anything that comes up in the, you know, let me know, email me. I'm happy to answer any of the questions that you might have. You know, I know this is off point, but to to I I have walked you and I have probably walked more than anybody else Upper Lelay and Lake View and it is a mess. We did write those. If you recall last when we were talking the budget last meeting at the work session, we had talked about doing streets and those are the three you had listed were view upperly and central. Right. So that was already listed as a priority and added the 26th budget. We were planning on the 26th budget. Those were the three that we were going to Okay. And I think we talked about this last time too to have the all of the streets sort of reanked and all that, but we used to have a a chart that showed like which ones were red, which ones were, you know, I actually received um a quote that may have been sent out um earlier in April. Um, I just got a copy of it today and it was for um, a scope of services for updating the PMP. Um, but I actually forwarded to Scott and said, "Do we want to spend the money on updating the PMP right now or do we just prioritize? We know Lake View Central and Upper Le." Yeah, but let's look at the PMP that we have. Maybe it's from 5 years ago, but but or was it about 5 years? 23. It's from 23. There's a map and a website from 23. So it's not that old. So we have one. We don't need to update that. We can as Hasn't gotten better. Well then and I think if you remember that those three weren't they only orange at that time in 23? Oh red. Oh they were red. Yes. You can No, that's right. Grand was Grand was the one that was orange. What else was red? Was Was it just those? Pretty much all the east side. I think it was um Glenmore. Yeah, I was surprised with that. Glen was red I believe. Yeah, I think otherwise. Yeah, the three. So now we have a lot of red. Now we have to let's look at all the red ones and then prioritize those. Which one of the red which is the deepest red? Absolutely. Which is the lightest red. And yeah, I I don't it's my it's just my personal opinion. Why spend the money on updating a couple of year old PMP right now when we could be using that money to be designing a road project and trying to figure out what we can and can't do there. And if you remember, we took the 2023, implemented the franchise fees, have been doing the surface repairs on a lot of those other ones that don't have utilities in them. So, we're getting to the point where we don't have very many of those roads left that are not going to be impacted by full recons. So that as of now that colors have re re have changed and that's why we've done the best we could with the franchise fees but now we're going to have to start looking at doing a project in bonding. So by the way what they did up on county road 6 was not an oil and and rock like he was saying that was that's pavement even though it's kind of a weird looking Yeah. But it's asphalt but it's kind of this coarse asphalt. I was I've always wondered it's like is this the finished course or maybe it is but I thought maybe there was gonna be still a layer that before that course before No, I haven't. So that's I don't know what if that's a process that's you know lower cost or something but that's there's asphalt there that's you know was laid on protect. Do they sweep that at all? No, I don't think that's swept. That's that one won't be. No, but your typical you know aggregate seal Yeah. seal coating you sweep after a while, right? You know, chip sealing as people call it, but Oh, yeah. Yeah. Chip sealing. Exactly. But um but I mean, and if if we weren't going to do something soon, then yeah, maybe we would do something like that to buy us another year or two. But I think we need to prioritize those streets. And I think we need to get the covert, too, the covert fixed, too, because I think that's um like people can't put in their driveways because they don't know what's going to happen with the covert. One thing they'll have to understand is the road's going to get wider. It's going to get curb and gutter and they're going to lose some of their front yard. Well, does it have to be curbon gutter? Does it have to get wider? Yeah. Does it have to be Well, it won't meet city standards. So, you lane isn't city standards either. So, I I live on Creek Side isn't city standards. Neither is water, right? Well, water is supposed to be right. Water tunnel is supposed to be and the city standard is to control surface water, right? I think that needs to be. So remember we got staff got voted against and we made a made a ditch and people complained about the ditch and it flooded people's driveway where on water. Yeah. So every everywhere from was it Harrington West is a ditch. Well, they didn't want a curb, right? I think they went against city standard kind went against that recommendation. They wanted it to be a rural section similar to Orno. But then when you look at it, I mean the edge of the roadway is already crumbling and all that stuff. Yeah. But urban cover would have but on the other hand if we rebuilt it did a full rebuild but kept it as you know the width that it is and didn't go with curbon gutter at least the road surface would be greatly improved and maybe at a lower much lower cost than putting in curbon gutter but it'll be it would be has to be replaced before your bond's done. Yeah, I think but but what's the difference in cost? I guess you know is it if it's is it half the cost if we didn't do curbon gutter is it carbon gut curb gutter is just concrete essentially so it's linear fe there's a lot of there's a lot of design going that goes into that I mean it's you're asking is it double or is it 5% more expensive yeah I mean if it's double I would say maybe we should consider doing the lower cost one if it's only 10% difference then yeah then I would say let's do the curbon gutter but I'd love to hear from the engineer on that I mean because normally I I'd say that like kind of Grand Avenue or something. But if you go over to Lake View, it's there's so much that's water created from the street kind of run off into people's yard. But they're not they're not complaining about well they were complaining about that if the culverts aren't working. But they seem they you know from what Brian says they they seem to be at one time that worked. Um there would huh in the 40s when the road was last put in. So if you go to the north side of of Lake View, it is by the apartments. It is curbon gutter the first 150 ft. Is that when it just drops off orchard and they redid the past part of it is lake uh curbon gutter already? Correct. Right in front almost right before Holman. But would we widen that part of it too? It already is wide. It's already been But after Hullman's house, Holman's house narrows down and then starts hitting the ditches in Culver's. Yeah. So south of central, right? Right. By central I think is where it ends with the curbing gutter. It's 24 ft. Do you think there is the standard width or I know that's what you said, but they said it was 22, but I don't know if ours is 24. So you saying like we would put storm sewers in this too? We should. There's not a single thing there. That's all surface drain all the way down upper Lee and everything. It is that's the worst case scenario. Upper Lee looks awful. But that's that's now you're adding even more cost. You know that that I don't want to do it again for 50 years. do it right. We're bonding for it. Needs to be done right the first time, I think, because I I talked to residents about this Watertown thing and uh you could, you know, bailing out their yard and flooding. Which water? You know, you know, by the other end by Waro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We better be good about communicating what uh how this is going to encroach on folks's yards. Well, if we I mean, even if you if you decide let's say the 22 3 ft versus 24 ft, you're probably going to get your foot on each side for your curbon gutter, you're going to gray that ditch anyways and remove the cover. So, you're really not going to be encroaching too far unless you want to go wider. Yeah. Okay. So, you're going to you're going to end up probably having a you're going to still have to have the ditches. You're going to have to have that mostly level cuz I think that one's going to be dug down cuz the surface underneath it is like sand. There's no there's no surface underneath. There's a sport of road. So, you're going to be digging down and putting back in. It's going to it's going to be You should take a field trip to look at these this one because it is session or something. Yeah. So, like like you said, you've walked it you probably walked it 50 times but you're not quite understanding what maybe it will have to be done when you start looking. No, I don't. But I know I know that um you look at it and it's like there's more um potholes than there is road. There's really sand under there. it it so if you there was core drills if you remember there was no like so the one the asphalt's maybe only what maybe inch and a half to 3 in thick throughout the whole thing and there's no sub underneath it so what I'm thinking happened was back in the day when it was early 40s they kept doing the um the sealant with the trap rock and kept doing layers of that so that's how you got to where you're at that was but there's no integrity held together there was nothing keeping it from going apart. When could we realistically tackle this? When? Yeah. When? I mean, is this It's a good question. Do it by Well, again, what's going to be priority? Are we going to talk about INI or are we going to talk about road replacement? Cuz they're both going to cost quite a bit. They're all going to cost a bunch of money. So, um, well, the INI, we at least have some money to use the TIFF money. Well, there's not. District one is sitting about a million dollars to fix INI. Mhm. And we only have what? 600,000 maybe 400,000 for that. Uh 400 restricted. All right. What's it going to cost to the whole city is probably 4 million. Oh. What's it going to cost to redo uh Lake and probably 4 million and that we would bond for We did 12 million for grand 11 million for grand and and Lake View included. Lakeville was on that one still too. Scott, do central have the same roaded issue that they're going to be well they're going to have drainage issues and width issues. I can't promise I don't know what their subgrade is. I don't remember where those cores were drawn. I know that there was six different cores if not more. Yes. Along that whole corridor and we have the results. I just haven't not off the top of my brain where they were at. I just know that the sub great underneath will have to be pulled out. Is all of Upper Lee lane bad or just um where it's around the cur when it the map if you want to look it up but yeah the whole thing. So actually is that upper Lee on that far side? Upper Lee is even worse than Lake View. This part right here of Upper Lee is the worst I think because there's no storm water at all in that area. It's all surface drain the upper part of Upper Le you need the storm water to protect the life of your street. you just re, you know, I mean, and to have less ongoing maintenance of things like that, you have to do the roads, right? And y that way we're not relying on public works to do repairs. Um, let's do it right in the first place. And that's the struggle. But uh I was just wondering if we could deal with a recon on Lake View, but just a reclamation of some sort on Upper Lee and no central or if they were in the same steel. They're all full recons. Okay. So central is orange, but um so the Lake View, how in Upper Lee if what percentage could we b uh bond for or kind of um um all of it? That's looking at an assessment. Assessment assessment. Yeah, it would have to be is there's a percentage, but I don't remember off the top of my head. But you would do it that as the full project with the utilities. The assessment just pays for what? 10% of it or something? 10%. There's a there's a percentage threshold. It's not a big percentage. It's a policy that is set and is all by linear feed of the property lines and stuff like that, too. So, how what's the utility story under these? Um, I think if I if I remember right, there's lines, not a whole lot in Upper Lee, but I think they're all down Lake View. Um, you'd want to replace those anyways, especially if we're doing a storm on Upper Lee also. So, I think they're all going to tie together. Um, but I don't think there's anything on Upper Lee, but the road is so bad that you're not going to be able to do a mill and overlay. So, you think it's a $4 million project? That I guess linear feed on that one. I think it'll be a little bit less. I think it'll be a little bit less million. Probably closer to three. I just don't know what it will take to redo that subgrade. But and and so we would bond for what? Most of that or Well, they're assessed for part of it that do we have anything in the PMP? Mhm. Budget. So you could do what? So I mean we're it's still pretty small. It's 400,000. Okay. 26 which will be for the surface. Yep. And then like you said, say again, is that for Linda Wood though? Is that it's part of that going to pay for Linda Wood this year? It is. Yes. I apologize. So they're probably that go to Lindawood 300 of it. 220. So you'll have a couple hundred thousand if we're not doing the kind of we're limited now on just surface replacement. Those will now start the franchise fees will start building up for at least the next year. Where do where do I see the franchise fees on the revenue? Those go into the um pavement management fund. Oh, not in the general fund. Okay. Nope, they don't go into the general fund. We It's under cash balance page. We had those. So, what page is that on? Um page 36. I wrote them down. So, 43. Yep. 432. So, there's going to be maybe a couple hundred thousand in there still at the end of after Linda Wood. Yeah. Well, how much annually goes into that from the from the franchise? This is only we've only had them for about two years, so it's like 50,000 a quarter. 60,000 a quarter. So about 200 200,000 a year into the pavement management plan from franchise fees. Is there any other source of re you know transfer into that? That also includes cell tower revenue. Yes. Cell tower revenue. Okay. And franchise fees goes into that. So this is probably a good snapshot of because we didn't do any projects last year that I can think of that even came out of that. So this is probably a good a good snapshot of what two years. two years or yeah about a year and a year and because I think we've already received because yeah we already did middle view middle and yeah I mean if we if we had the money you know there wasn't an issue we could could we do this next year I still think we should do it next year as well that's what I'm saying too I mean can you can you go through the bonding process and the design and actual start to do the work in 26 well right now we're sitting the city's sitting in a really good debt debt position we've been paying off our debt and more and more will be it will be falling off in the next few years here. Um and Scott and I when we met today with WSB talking about the sewer lining project at one point we had just asked what would it take to do the entire city about 4 million and we're looking at grants and things like that but it would last 50 years. We're to the point where maybe we're we need to start bonding for the projects as a whole. One start bonding these projects. Yes, they'd be large. So, bonding for the sewer lining, bonding for the Yes. So, yes. And then use our capital. We could actually be use some of this capital fund that we've a rainy day fund. Yeah. Um as nec if if we needed if we got in a pickle and we needed to have a bond payment maybe a bond payment or something. I just think that so not use any of that to actually projects. But rates are fine. I think bonding and we're getting we're still getting good rate on return on what's invested. I think we bond it. We we do the projects, we do them right, and we stop kicking the can. And then I'm the first one to say I don't like taking out loans. But it's time. Philosophy usually says if you can't make enough cash to have it pay for it in cash, then you have to bond because the people have been paying taxes for so long and not getting the result out of it. So that's kind of how the the bonding process some people like to justify. So um and we're getting to the point we're at catastrophic. I think it's it's especially for the sewer lining. Um and the goal with that would be do it all at once. Make a 25 year old cuz you know say it's $4 million. We could do a revenue gener um sewer revenue bond which would be based on usage would would pay back the the the loan and then um and the cure in place process essentially is a brand new pipe that is more engineered to be about 50 years now. So the goal is like we'll hopefully never have to worry about line replacement for the next 50 years. So it's going to be one time ripping off a band-aid that's going to hurt, but the goal would also be is if our INI goes down, the more cash would be coming in to pay off the bond would would be paid back through sewer rates. Correct. Correct. So sewer rates would go up quite a bit. I Well, yes and no. Like I like we were talking about already my sewer rates I didn't we've already added the Met Council fee on In and Out which that's very easy for residents to see that we're not keeping any of that money. It's going directly to to the Met Council. But because we did that now the money we were getting for sewer fees. We have more of that on hand because we're not paying the Met Council, you know, portion out of it. The goal is to pay Met Council less and pay more towards the But there's that two-year lag, too. So there's going to be there will be a little bit there'll be yeah I think it's Do we know by the way what surrounding communities pay to Met Council like Maple Plains? I have the whole list a list. Is it comparable to what we're paying or No, we're high. We're we're super high. Why are we so high? Because we'll show you the pictures. Yeah, the pictures are really high. And so one thing you know we'll have to push pretty hard is individuals lining their own personal line from the house to the road. That's Can you see detect that on the pictures? Oh yeah. there's as as it's coming in like a fountain. Oh wow. Ordinance and inspection process for So when you show us these pictures, can we line those worst ones first that it would help ease a little bit? We were going to, but we don't think it's going to be cost beneficial because mobilization to just get because then you're spot you're spot fixing and they mention thinking about you know taking a a chunk out of the Met Council fee that you know three years down the road and like you like Jeff had mentioned um if you start doing spot fixes then pretty soon those are going to be deteriorating. Well, the problem will at least have them start in the worst area cuz would they get back in and inter Eddie currents and all that stuff if they just line it partially? I don't know. But what you'll see is right now district one, you'll look at the report that shows priority one, priority two, priority three, then we're going to do then we're going to teleise district two and three so we can get priority 1, two, or three. So maybe it goes in those districts. It's in those districts. So then make your saying maybe maybe fiscally makes more sense to do like just say a million dollars and hit priority one in all three districts and next year maybe do a different one and next year do another one like so that we can at least get it done or when we get the quotes ask ask the them okay cuz think about it when they're putting the line in if how much money is it going to cost for them to put it in stop put it in you know okay get over to this paint you know do this section stop do this section versus just go remember though that I mean the quotes that we're talking about is actually the first the first step is to get quotes for televising the district. H the districts have you go through an approval process for the televising. Get that done. Then we can ascertain the priority ones in each of the districts. Find out where those are, what they are, and how badly they're contributing to the situation. Then see how far we can build the project with that information. But we need complete data to do it. Yeah. And we need to get those districts televised and maybe get when they're quoting projects, tell us tell us what it would cost us to do the whole thing versus, you know, we'll do that when we ask for the mean asking so we can make an educated decision. We look at the city um responsibility for these lines versus private. Is it roughly 50/50? I don't think so. Depending different sections, right? So depending on what they I mean just like total number of feet of line. Um it'll be close. It will be close. But it's not just feet, it's it's volume. Yeah. Volume and quality. So like if your PVC pipes on the city side are probably in good shape, right? Not so much contribution, but the private lines coming in, every connection is vulnerable, right? It's when you have it's when you have the clay pipes that have sixoot sections and every section is blowing apart. That is city side. So like you could say 50/50 because but they're also going to have connections going into the clay pipe. So like it all depends on quality. And so to that point though, when they're doing a lining project, WSB would recommend that you're actually uh doing a Y. So you're not just doing the line, you're also doing the private connections. Just a tiny little piece there to cover that. Is that where most of it comes out? Yeah. At the junction. And it it was interesting because of the videos that we saw today, only one of those was actually a private service gusher. The rest of them were all ours. Okay. So they were offsets and roots and things like that. Only one of the examples we saw today was a private service connection, but they used that to explain. They just say that 99% of them are all doing that kind of thing. Well, and that that's I'm trying to try to make the mental model of like if the city take does 100% of what we can do, we've already done one district. So there's some percentage done. If we did all the city stuff, what fraction of the problems do we solve? Well, so there's going to be multiple points that too. So we're going to approve us doing something, right? The second breath is Met Council has grants for the private citizens to do their own lines, right? So you can qualify for that. And then we turn around and say, okay, maybe the point of sale ordinance and models and all that stuff that we talk about need to be implemented too on the same date, however you want to say it, because they now need to be forced to fix their system some shape or form because ours is getting to the point where it's 100% fixed, but now everybody else is still contributing to our system. Is when if the city does 100% of the city, how much does that what percentage uh does that take care of the problem? I mean, in other words, we'll find out when we have more data to start, right? And then is it is it more than half is is is it is is is the Met council payment is more than half of that due to the city's uh sewer without seeing the results the conditions of those two districts. We don't know. And the other thing I think we have to be careful of um Met Council has a budget just like every other area. And if you look at our personal property taxes and the changes it's had in the last 10 years, but we don't have 10 years of excess revenue sitting around. We're act our expenses are going up too. So Met Council, we're going to be doing all this work. I think I think it's important to say yes that Met Council fee may not go down. I R our R and I and I might go down, but do you know what I mean? I don't think it's going to be a dollar for-doll savings because I think as I know their their regular fee is going to go up, but completely. Yes. And I think as more as more cities start to be responsible, they're going to have to get their money somewhere else, you know, as well. And so I just think we have to be I think it's we're going to see a trend, but those calculations are very easy to tell. Yeah. But if we don't do it, instead of paying X, we're going to be paying 3x. 100%. Yes. And then Okay. And then when they televise, I'm assuming if there's a private resident Gusher, you're going down the street and it's like, okay, I marked that house. Yeah. Our report was this thick. So they they How could you see the priv private lines? There's a camera. So they're like they're looking up and down these lines. They're not going up through the lines. No, they just can they just show it coming into the pipe. That's the wide that Janette was talking about. So you can see the connection and you can see the circle kind of cut in. You can see all the roots. You can see the water coming in. You can see water coming down the line. So essentially if you see rs it means it's got a hole in it, right? So, um, so yeah, I mean they'll look also they'll see water flows and they so they data point everything and they can it's almost a quick thing like they can data point it location they tell you where it's at in the line from manhole to manhole they give you the GPS location so it just creates a report and I swear it was probably about this thick of all the incidences that worth well that well that was the televising report it was not the televising review by WSB. Yes. How long does PVC last? That one's usually a longer time. So, like, you know, you're still looking at your 30 years, but some of the stuff has been in the ground for more than 30 years, too, I think. But PVC does clay uh last longer or No. No. That that's they're saying they were like there's used to be other stuff that was made out of paper for their sewer lines that or in some communities. So, H All right. Well, that was a good second quarter financial report. Um, no, these are Yeah, I feel strongly we need to cost are high moving on these projects and wrote in and the lake view and upper Lee and the and the sewer projects as well. So, you envision bringing something back to us in a in a couple of meetings or um next meeting it's our goal, Janette and I were we put it as a um placeholder. Next meeting we're hoping to talk about the sewer lining in detail once we have a little bit more information. But the televising the televising well and we were also going to talk about the lining and why we felt the televising was necessary. Um so that was one of the things we're talking about. I don't have streets on my radar right now a couple videos and just to highlight the importance of televising the other districts. Yes. Why we came to that conclusion. So, um I know our fe council fees are going up by like fourfold or twice two fold. Yeah. 100,000. It's going to be up to 400. Over 100. It's over 100 because we were almost double where we were last year. So, the base fee or we're going to divide it by the number of um try. Okay. And so, that's how much the it's going to go up that it will go up a lot. Yes. And so, I'll probably go on vacation when those first bills come. So, I get a lot of phone calls, but we'll do our best to communicate with residents um and obviously take that in account when we are looking at other fees. Like I said, we can't really lower anything right now, but we're definitely going to be mindful of the impact that the Met Council fee is going to have on other residents when we're looking at other fe other rates. So, and that will also hopefully trigger some people to realize that they should maybe look at getting their own personalized televised and we're talking about incentive in uh utility bill incentives for people that do. So that's not we're just throwing around ideas to um make this community, you know, a communitywide improvement. So we'll see. So roughly for a private line, how long how much does it cost to I have no idea. How do we see how per done the permit that just got done for the private line? Um was that televising or lining? No, it was actually a lining project. I 3,500 bucks. No, I have the permit. I can pull it. Well, what were you saying? Something about getting moving on. Yeah. No, just Yeah. giving support uh to to staff to move forward with these ideas and bring them to council. And if if you think we benefit from having like a a walking work session, you know, where we go over to Lake View or something and just, you know, educate us from Sean or or whether it's Jeff or somebody to kind of show us what's in G curb and gutter. A good point. Too expensive. Too expensive for Jeff. May maybe That's not a bad idea. It's pretty much across the bridge. Be quick to quick to get there. We're all on salary. Get us. Yes. All right. And Janette's back with something now. I know we got to get to Jim here. He's been waiting patiently all this time. So, you need a motion to receive. Is that right? Yes, please. All right. Um, you ready? Oh, yeah. Go for it. Okay. Motion to receive second quarter 25 revenues expenditures as of June 30th 25 as presented. I'll second. Thank you. Motion in a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Janette, did you get find out that is or not yet? Yeah, this was a private residential service um installing 76 ft of um 4 in and 6 in it looks like CIP sewer liner per city specs and requirements with no rightway work. So, they didn't have to do a bunch of excavation. And the project valuation quoted was 7445. All right. Interesting. And how do they even get into that if it's not can't come into like a manhole, can they? They have to dig up your yard or something if they're doing a private one or I think they dig right down by the must just be outside the rightway cuz up to rightway is the city's responsibility. So they dig down and line it that direction. Can they come in from the inside? I don't know if they can. We were actually looking with we were talking WSB when we do our project we might offer to residents at that time if they were if they were interested if there might be a cost savings at that time while we're doing oursel one along with um we're not 100% sure grant application stuff for the personal grant too. So like big package that would be good. Yeah we're going to try to like I said we're going to try to work with residents as much as possible to help them make this process easier if they're interested. Yeah. So when roads are redone like that, don't they often times residents get a choice to redo their driveways with the contractor? Yeah. All right. Again, thank you for your report. All right. With that, we'll move on to item 7B, lease between the city and the and the Lake Mitanka Communications Commission for use of office space in the city's public works building. Good evening, Jim. Good evening and thank you for having me this evening. Yes. Glad you could attend. Are you kicking this off, Scott, or we just Are we going straight to Jim? Sure, I can kick it off. So, this has been an item on the agenda that has been approved by the council in the past. This was looked at and approved back in January of 2024. Um, this was for the LMCC to rent out a section in the lower half of public works building. in your packet is the original plus updated tracked changes that are um some of the items that are related to just timing and dates updating there. But um back in January the sale fell through of their building and now it sounds like they're on track to sell their building again. So they're wanting to approach this lease again. So I can yeah back in February of 2024 when we thought we had a sale in hand and we were right on the we already had a purchase agreement we were moving forward with you folks. I had already signed contracts with a contractor to start refurbing the space when our buyer found out he had stage four pancreatic cancer and died 11 days later. Needless to say that put kind of a kibash on our sale. Um, we have been working with a realtor since then. Uh, we went through an appraisal process. We have had numerous less than reasonable offers. I would consider anything that's at or close to 50% of what our appraisal is on our building not a good offer. Uh we actually countered a couple of those uh with what we felt was a reasonable discount. And the uh second person who had one of these fairly low ball offers countered our counter offer within $10,000 of what we were countering. Now there was also uh there's a project going on that Henipin County is doing on our road. Um, and they are going to be leasing some easement space from us for two years. And uh, they cut us a check for $12,000 on that. And the new buyer uh, was happy with their reduced their their bid, which was 10,000 under ours if we kept that $12,000. So, we met as uh with our executive committee who uh uh approved this and uh we are in the process of signing the purchase agreement right now. Uh we just got it back from our lawyer uh today who had a just a couple of minor changes. I forwarded those to our uh realtor and we're hoping to be signing something if not this week at the beginning of next week and hopefully at that point we can come to terms here with you folks because I'd love to get my construction crew in there. Uh he says he has a lot of what he calls summer labor available which are generally high school kids and they could be used to uh take out ceiling tiles, remove carpeting, remove uh wallpaper from the walls and help uh at a lesser cost for our construction guy and hopefully that can get things done a little bit quicker. Uh we are hopeful that if everything moves in the direction that it is, we would be looking at uh uh coming in somewhere between November 1st and November 15th where we would begin occupying the space. Nice. That's great. Well, congratulations on getting an offer and and after all that time and I can't believe that's been January 2020. We're talking about that. Well, and folks really for being so patient with us. This has been a very difficult uh period of time. It uh all of this started back in March of 2023 when we held our uh uh cable TV summit and explained to mayors and city administrators and commissioners that we're going to run out of money here at a certain point due to cord cutting. And uh after uh Jerry's offer came off the table, uh we have now put into place a change in our business model which uh technically has already gone into effect, but you'll see the major effects happen at the end of this year. Uh we are changing our business model from uh myself as the operations manager and Tyler as our productions manager. We're going to become a one-horse wonder. And uh it only makes sense to put the younger man who's got 17 years worth of experience with us in charge of this and let the person who's a little uh long and tooth and gray up there or that hair he's got left to uh who's had a great career at the LMC by the way. I've been there almost 25 years now and uh it'll be time for me to find other endeavors at the end of this year. I will be stepping away. But one of my last things that I'd really like to get accomplished for Tyler because I think it would be over and move take on this challenge that he's going to be running the whole show over there. Uh I'd really like to try and get us done with this and get us into the place before the end of this year. And you were under a little bit of a constraint based on the purchase agreement a little bit too because um the closing date. Uh yes. Um and we had asked for uh um a they wanted 30 days due diligent. We asked for 15. Um they are not able to do that because they are planning on taking a little carrying a little debt in their purchase and they need the additional time to work with a bank to get that all figured out. And then you have a little bit of a delay before you have to be out of the building after the That's correct. Yep. Yeah. 90 days after uh uh the 30-day due diligence period is over, we need to be out of our building and in a new location. Are you leasing it back then for those 90 days? Uh that was an option. Uh but no, we are not. That gave us up to 120 days if we Oh, so you're actually going to close on it in November then close the sale. That's correct. Once we sign the purchase agreement and the 30-day due diligence is over, there's $10,000 in easement as well as another $70,000 that they will add to that fund that will actually cover our costs of refurbishing the Long Lake space. And and if they um back out at that time, they they relinquish that deposit money then. That's correct. Yeah. So, they they've got it's a big carrot for them. So, um, what I've seen with the purchase agreement, um, they are asking to they they are stating that they have no interest in doing a phase one or a phase two environmental. Um, that they, uh, have no plans on, uh, uh, working with the city to change uh, the commercial rating that it is. They're not interested in doing development. Uh, so it should be a pretty straightforward purchase. I just think 120 days is a long time for somebody to potentially change their mind or for or circumstances to change. So there is some risk there that you're taking on. We understand. Yeah. And our executive committee did discuss that and we felt that this was a reasonable risk. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you for that um update and presentation, Jim. Any other questions for Jim or Scott? not entertain a motion on this one. Well, I have a question for Scott on the on the rent amount. It was $1250 per month. That was the amount back in January 2024 and and we're keeping that this this that same starting point even though we were going to have a 5% increase per year after that. I mean, does the does it um you know, one might think that we should be starting at, you know, an adjusted amount because two years have gone by or by the time they move in, two years will almost will have gone by, right? And I know that was something that Jim was hoping that we could keep at the same rate um with the move in period while he's, you know, trying to get everything ramped up. So that's one of those items that is always up for debate or conversation with the council. Please keep in mind that the situation that what put us in this situation to start with is cord cutting and our funding has dropped 65% in the last seven years. Um we've had to make some dra drastic changes. Um I'm all for the 5% escalator in there. uh we just ask that we get a chance to get in there and uh get our feet wet before you start that because would the fir would the first 5% increase occur like you know a month later on the 2027 I see first 2027 so when they move in um in 2026 so the first year will be kind of that base rate and then it'll yeah so they'll it'll stay November and December right we'll stay the 1250 50. All 2026 will be the 1250. 27 January 1 will be the 5% escalator. And so they're doing some renovations on it. So And so that is that a a value added% correct? Yeah. And that's why the rate the rent is what rent it's reasonable because they're putting cash in into the building. They're putting $80,000 into that building% and another 5%. That's that's why I I didn't feel like it was a big issue to change it if or make it a hold if you guys chose if that's understandable. I think I should sub sustain from voting just because I'm on both boards. Mhm. I'm on the understand that. Yeah. She's on our executive committee. So, Right. Right. Okay. I think we we probably pull off the three of us then. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I guess I'm thinking, you know, this is revenue that we have we haven't receiving before. This is not, you know, this is new revenue for our city and I know they've been through a lot financially as Jim mentioned. So, I guess I'm okay with with waiting till 2027. Um, yeah, I don't have a strong opinion about I just brought it up because I I just noticed it, you know, that that way you were two years later and yet it was the same. Yeah. I'm The only reason I also too is that the costs probably are a little bit different from two years ago too for the renovations. So, oh, for them you mean? Right. Cost more, right? Yeah. I'm fine with the numbers. I I see the point two years later, but I'm fine with this number myself has written. All right. You want to make a motion, anybody? I guess I will. What are we at here? Um, I'll make a Make sure I got the right one. All right. I'll make a motion to approve the contract lease between the city of Long Lake and the Lake Mananka Cable Commission to allow the LMC to rent office space and public works building located at 2145 Daniel Street and to authorize a city admin to execute said contract. I'll second that. All right, motion a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. Nay and then an abstension council. All right. All right. So, that passes. Congratulations, Jim. And we look forward to Thank you. I'll be contacting my contractor and we'll see how quickly we can get them started over there. We're very excited. So, okay. So, um they start paying when they move in or when they start construction on it. Uh I think it shows that when they take um when they start moving in. That's my understanding is when we move in. Well, as we got you here, any updates on Midco? Are they ahead of schedule? Behind schedule? You know, I actually have a whole presentation. Oh, got 10 or 15 minutes. Are you serious? I'm serious. I've got out. I've got Midco flags in my yard. Does everybody have those? I don't, but I've seen them all over. That's been busy. I think we had a little gas leak week or two ago because of that. They're the ones that cut that hit the line. I believe I signed up for Midco. I just don't know how they're going to get it to my house. We were signed up already. Well, I did the pre-signup thing. They said end of July, but I don't think they're getting it in my You just have an Yeah. Then take out the connector. Yep. Yeah. There's Yeah, you can go to their page and sign up. They go up to like 5 gig. It's ridiculous speed, but the price goes linear after. Yeah, sure. But like I just did one one gig free signups. I don't know. I'm not expecting it to go in in July though. No, it's a lot of lot of work ahead. I wondered how they think it showed June for you. Put the lines in. Do they they slid boring? I think right. Really? Seen some boring machines for some of them, but some I think there's underground kind of uh conduit or pipes they can use. Maybe they can line our sewer as well. I like the way you They have the equip cost efficient. You might nick something though. Maybe put fiber optic in our sewers. How about that? I'll take then we can track stuff. Waterproof accounting. Mhm. Mhm. Good. Look at this. Wow. Okay. Um, thanks for having me. By the way, uh, this is a very basic update. Brings you up to speed with what's going on at the LMCC uh, right now uh, in 2025. The LMC was formed in 1984 as a joint powers agreement. Our cities recognized that they could accomplish more as a group than they could on their own. that by joining together they could provide public access, educational access, and government access for their community. The LMCC is located at 4071 Sunset Drive in beautiful Spring Park, Minnesota, soon to be uh 2145 Daniel Street in Langley. The LMCC performs a number of functions for the community. franchise administration which includes franchise oversight, customer complaints, and we also operate a full PEG facility providing access to cable channels for public access on our channels 12 and 21, educational access on our channels 12 and 20, and government access on channels 8 and 20. What do the services cost our member cities? Our services don't cost our member cities anything. Cause the literacy. How is the LMCC funded? Well, we're funded in a couple of different ways. The first is our franchise fees, which is 5% of Mediacom's revenue. The other is a PEG fee, which is $1.99 per customer per month. There are two things that those monies can be used for. The uh franchise fees we can spend on pretty much anything, but the PEG fees can only be spent on things that help us create programming. So that would be any of our uh hard costs for equipment, capital purchases. Uh and for the people that their job is only to create the programming, those would be our contract producers such as Mark or tonight Mario who's recording your meetings. Um, so those are things that we can spend our PEG funds out of. Um, I think you jumped ahead. Yes, I sure did. Okay. And there's our pets. What's new at the LMC? You guys just mentioned it. Midco, I sent out this press release a couple of weeks ago. Uh, talks about when MidCo is going to be coming into the different areas there. You'll see on the lefth hand side a list of all of our member cities. Uh and right now uh we've got uh Independence, Long Lake, St. Bonnie, and a portion of Shorewood that'll be completed this year. Lorettto, the construction is pretty much complete. Actually, today, very exciting news. We got our first franchise check from Midco. Now, that being said, it wasn't very much money. It was less than $100, but it was a start. We're very excited about this. This press release also provides you with uh contact information with Midco and uh uh probably the biggest thing that you'll hear is you may occasionally hear concerns from people regarding the restoration happens when anybody goes through with fiber or is laying any trenches in your yard. Um, and if you have those problems, what I have seen from Midco is that they are Johnny on the spot to recognize that issue and help that that resident out as soon as possible. Um, I generally get a complaint one day and I'm watching the interaction between MIGL and that resident within 24 hours and they're getting those issues resolved very quickly. Um, here is a map that shows where uh the buildout is going to be. Um the green you see in Independence is stuff that Midco did during COVID when half of Independence was still underserved and they didn't even have any means of getting high speeded internet. So Midco came in there uh without a franchise agreement but only offered internet services at that time. Now that they have signed with us, you'll see the other half of Independence is being built out. Alorto, Long Lake, St. Bonnie, and Shorewood and all of the purple areas. Those will be done next year as we wrap up construction in the Lake Minnetonka area. Uh let's talk a little bit about funding. Cord cutting. What is cord cutting? Cord cutting is where cable TV subscribers find a new alternative and how to watch television. Today there are numerous streaming services available to fill this need. In fact, over the eight last 8 to 10 years, Mediacom has lost over 50% of their cable subscribers to streaming services. How's this affected LMCC funding? LMCC funding has fallen significantly 2020. In 2017, our funding was at 367,000 a year. In 2025, we're down to 251,000, which is a loss of 35%. And if we back that up a little bit, um, and what we're seeing now, most of these changes were occurring as we were seeing five and seven and 8% go away. The last two years we've seen 18% decreases in our revenues from Media Con. Um, MediaCon is not promoting cable television and last year they were very frank in telling us that they don't care much about cable television. they have it as a a service that's available, but internet is what's floating their boat. Uh didn't used to be that way. If you remember in the 80s, 90s, and even in the early 2000, it was cable television that was the driving force, and internet was an additional feature that they offered. Anyways, with the current trend, if we don't change how we do business, we'll be running out of money at some point in 2026. We are in the process of selling our building as a means of extending our mission. You could tell this was written before we had a purchase agreement, but the commercial realy market is currently down. That means it's time for a new business model. Beginning in July of 2025, the LMCC will streamline it will streamline its work by emphasizing on serving our member cities. Government meetings will become our main focus. We will continue to record, agenda, parse, and post up to two meetings per month for each of our member cities, and they will continue to air on Government Channel 8. How will things be different? Well, 17-year employee Tyler Ray will take over as operations manager. His years of experience at the LMCC has prepared him for this opportunity. What happens to current operations manager Jim Lundberg? Well, Jim's currently in his 25th year at the LMCC. During that time, he's worn many hats. many many hats from productions such as Lakeside News to award-winning senior issues show called Seniors on the Go to public access shows such as Friendship Set to Music as well as volunteering for nonprofit organizations. At the end of 2025, Jim will step down as the operations manager of the LMC. But what will he do? Oh, I'm sure Thanks for your time, folks. That was not speech margarita. I was excited. Well, I I gave all that up about 30 years ago. So, good. No, the margarita. Will will Midco have a cable TV option or just internet? Uh, no. Midco uh is they are franchise with franchised with us for cable television. Okay. So, they have all of the other offerings, but uh they're coming into our area to sell uh cable television as well as uh a true fiber to the premise internet product. So, but they're not lay they're not laying cable or live co-op. It's all fiber, right? It's all fiber. It's not this hybrid stuff that you see with mediacom where they may be running some fiber down your main thoroughares but they get back into your residential areas and it's still a hybrid that consists mostly of coaxial cable which has uh some issues with it when it comes to grounds freezing and thawing. Uh fiber is much more robust can carry a much larger signal and I think you'll see that the pricings for midco are going to be a little bit better than what you're seeing at media as well. So, how does the midc coat TV aspect work as far as in your house then? If it does it go over a co-axle from a a box or something to your TV or is it more through Well, it'll come to into your house uh fiber and then they will establish an entry point that will get to your router and from the router it'll spread out to all the rest of your devices whether it's uh a wireless device or a hardwired device. Got it. And it seemed like they're on schedule in Lawn Lake as far as you've been hearing. As far as I know, they are on schedule across all of our member cities. Nice. And wasn't there I think John, you had just mentioned that you've already got some markers in my yard. Yeah. Yeah. Uh generally they have met with any of the cities that they're working with in 2025. They should have met with you folks. They're keeping a public works very busy. Yep. Yep. Was there legislation pending in the Minnesota um house or There is a bill in the house. It's been there for a couple of years now. Usually takes two or three years for these type of bills to gain traction. But back in uh 1984, Minnesota was one of the first states to pass the Minnesota Cable Act, which allowed uh cities to franchise with uh cable providers and uh retain from them a 5% uh franchise fee. That's the maximum that you can get and what everybody asks for uh and get 5% franchise fee on cable television products. Well, that included internet until 2003 when the FCC made the decision that well the internet is just an information place that doesn't do video anything like that. Well, I think they were way off base on that because we're seeing all of our uh uh video products. In fact, it's probably one of the best platforms for it because of the bandwidth that's available now. Um, but that being said, the state is working on a bill that would do something very similar to the 5% franchise fees with internet service providers. And if they were able to pass that, you would see the LMC over a five-year period regain its robustness that it had in throughout the 90s and the two early 2000s. um you'd see us begin to expand again, start being able to cover more stuff. It's a lot easier for a business to grow again as long as they can whittle down to what they need to be to survive. And that's what we're doing this year. So, if that uh and if you guys uh talk to any of your representatives, uh uh Deerra has a copy of the uh bill number and if you need it, reach out to me. I'd be happy to provide that with you. Uh so please ask them for their support on that bill. Great. Is there any ma major opposition to that to Well, again, it's just something that generally needs to get traction. You're going to have all of the lobbyists who have lobbyed for all of these internet service providers for years. You might remember when we had the Super Bowl, uh, legislation decided that no franchise fees need to be paid for in any, uh, cable television provider who could provide their product wirelessly. And we were right in the middle of negotiations with uh, Frontier at that time and they said, well, you know, uh, let us think about this again for a while. And we never heard again from them after that. Right. So, changes in laws do have an impact, but uh sure, I'm not expecting this to have an impact soon enough for me to want to stick around or for us to be able to afford to have me stick around, I guess, is the way to way to put it. But, uh um again, we're downsizing to the right size. Uh if these type of opportunities come forward in the future, it will give us a chance to expand again. Okay. Well, thanks, Jim. Yeah. thanks for your efforts with all that and taking one for the team so to speak and you know I think retirement is not a bad thing that I think you'll find plenty of things to do and uh it' be good that you'll be an employee inside the city of Lawn Lake for at least like six weeks or so as your la your last uh your last hope by then on enough stuff is uh uh the main reason we're starting to change our business model now is to make sure that the knowledge that I have I can share with Tyler put everything into place, get us moved into the new location, change all the accounts we've got so that come January 1, when Tyler's the one in charge, he doesn't have to to learn all of this stuff. He doesn't he can just emphasize on doing the job that's before him. And Jim, just so I never realized how many contract producers LMC has, and they mostly work through contract producers. Yep. That are coming out, too. So, they pay and Mark is a contract producer. Yeah. And uh Mark is actually on vacation this week. He's up in Glacier National Park in Montana. Uh subbing for him today is Mario Williams, who has subbed here before. He is a Long Lake resident and uh reached out to me because he was interested in uh uh getting involved in this type of stuff. So, thank you, Mario. All right. All right. Great. Thank you, Jim. Appreciate the bonus presentation there. Your question was very timely. Yes. All right, with that we'll move on to item 7 C, fire department transition future fire services news and updates. This item's typically on our agenda. Um nothing major report, just we continue to have good dialogue with the city of Orno uh regarding um the joint powers agreement that we're working on. I think Orno last sent us a draft of their kind of edits late last week. So we're reviewing those and we'll be getting back to them as as quick as we can. So that's kind of it for that unless anybody else has anything to add. You know, just in general, the um fire departments are working really well together and great to see especially at Buckhorn days and the on the 5K run on Saturday morning, both departments there working the event and uh working intersections and things like that. So great to see the partnerships there. And we had a fire advisory board last meeting last week. Um that was good. Um, Chief Highland said that the um departments were working really well together um with the paid on call from Orno Fire and working with um you know the duty crew that I'm sorry part-time thank you part-time firefighters from Orno um and the duty crew model that they have and then filling in with the paid on call uh firefighters from Long Lake to uh to sort of uh work together on on the the duty crew program and um I know there's some issues with uh invoicing on that and and needing to um figure out maybe some misinterpretation or different interpretations of how that's supposed to be. And that's something Charlie you and I I'd like to talk to Bob and Steve about next time we meet with them so that we're just not all on the same page that what we intended it to be to be, you know, and what it is. So, but no, the fire advisory board meeting was good. Um, I felt like there was uh um that things were going as well as it could while we worked out the details of the JPA. Great. Great. All right. All right. With that, we went to a other business around Council Feldman. Um, nothing. Thank you. All right. Council Dybeck. Nothing from me. All right. I don't have anything else to add. Nothing. I'm good. I don't have anything. All right, Janette, you sure? No, I I actually do. I'm uh I'm wondering um each year when we send in our cornday's parade entry form for the city council's um entry into the cornday's parade, uh we do need a primary contact name to point to. Council member Dick has graciously volunteered the last couple years. I'm just wondering who from the council would if you'd be willing to serve as that contact person again. Um so John, are you retiring from this position? I don't know. No, I'll do it. Yeah. Just looking my wife's business might have an entry as well. So, yes. And I I don't know if I'm going to be tagged to No, I'll I'll I'll go with the I'll do this and I'll also walk with the with the fire truck and Thank you. Only if you want to. No, I'll do it. Okay, great. Thanks. Let's put the two floats next to each other. Just walking. Yeah, there you go. There you go. That's an idea. All right. Thank you for that. Maybe I can hint that suggestion, actually. Oh, yeah. Don't worry. I can hint it, too. I know a guy. I Well, but you've got a whole line of fire trucks first. A big long line. Exactly. But we if we put the council on the back of the line, so just in front of the horses will uh was Orno in it last year. Um been in it before. I I don't remember last year. Not sure about that. You should uh but I would encourage them to invited. Right. Right. Okay. So we got to take her. Thanks, John. Thank you so much. I I don't even remember what this took to be honest. I think it was just signing a piece of paper or something. Well, you don't even anything. It's more if someone needs to make a phone call and say, "Hey, here's where you're going to need to be in the lineup or helping to organize the council members and who's going to buy the candy." Yeah. Um I'll have a quorum notice posted for that, too. So if and if if everyone from the council wants to participate in this year's parade, I know nothing would make the chamber happier. So So everybody planning to be in town that weekend, we think or you going to be I may be I don't I fly back I think that day or maybe the day before. I don't know. I should know. Okay. But I don't sure maybe. All right. Is she going on that? I don't pay attention so well to my wife's instructions. So we do we still have the banners? Yes. Um last year. Yeah. Okay. Good. new logo. Yeah. Go ahead. Um and on that same cornday's note, we also are going to go ahead and republish our same, you know, city of Long Lake and Council, whichever one Cornday see what the parade ad. So, we'll include that in the corn days that goes out in the lake or pioneer closer to the event. Great. Anything else, Janette? Thank you. How about a food truck on the BP station? Are they ever going to set up there or I I don't know. They paid for the permit and appear to have gone elsewhere. Really? Yeah. I don't know. I think it was because we didn't have electric for them to actually plug into. How how hard would that be to Didn't we talk about this before? We did talk about it and hope was that it would be reasonable and it was above 5,000. Wow. Was the quote and that was a little with a lot of rental days to make that money back. We just run an extension cord. I bet you primo would charge us less than 5,000. Put a put a through a window of your wife's building. pay pay them some money to buy their electricity, right? And I it can't be that much. I had actually made the suggestion to the food truck that maybe they just want to check with them. Um but I don't know if that happened. So yeah, don't they have generators on the food truck? Yes, but the cost of running the generator um gets up there. fuel. What attracts them, and it was made very clear to me that what attracts them is plugins and facilities. Makes sense. Restrooms. Uh, no, not even restrooms, although that's certainly affordable restroom would be a big ad. Um, but things like tables where people can sit and eat, available parking, refuge containers that they don't have to haul in and out from, those are the kind of things that attract them. So, if you really want to attract food trucks, you have to have available electric service. Well, the picnic tables and trash cans are easy, but right the electric service is a bit of more of a challenge. So, that was pulling it from where? from that from that box on the corner or where you know where would they all I know is we pulled it all out when we took out the but that the building so you have to get the rightaway permit and come off of the Henman County mainline that's underneath the 12 should be and the box is is that the um that's a street light couldn't we use EDA funds for that since it's uh it's meant to serve that purpose in the first place other public things. They're there. It's ready. I think I don't I don't think it's a closed door. I think we were starting to decide. We were weighing the cost versus interest. And so, yeah, but if you build it 73,000 possibly at $100 for three days or whatever our permit is. But then now you got more trucks coming. And it's not just making money on it. It's just it's a it's be a nice I think. And that's one thing that we were we were kind of throwing around the idea like I think it's getting to the point where we have to figure out which fire we're dealing with, but we may be looking, you know, is electricity a good idea long term. What's our big sell? We keep thinking that somebody's going to buy it soon. So, we don't want to be putting money. I don't actually think that at all. Okay. Well, some people do, right? So, it's like, well, we shouldn't be putting money in it. We're going to sell it anyway. But, but I think we could be sitting with it for a while and So, let's make the most of it. You know, I I like the idea of having a couple picnic tables there and so do I. And having But is there is there is it for sure it's that be that much to put electricity in or was that just one quote or or that was one? That was the one quote that typically is the lower quote and and it was it was reflective of the fact that Excel would have to be involved. But but there's so we have to have a meter and all of that, right? because Mhm. I think what we should do I think this is what we need to do is look at it in a you know so it's versatile. So I think putting the wherever we put the electricity we have to make sure that when there's not a food truck there um that the space makes sense. Mhm. You know what I mean? So it's it's not a weird lot that now just has an electricity pole if a food truck comes. So maybe think versatile like what um we're talking like a gazebo like I was even looking at those brick areas if we brick the whole thing put a cute gazebo I don't know but well if you probably want a couple of drops you know not just one post if you're going to put it in so that'd be like two or three or something so that so yeah we probably have to just think like you said we have to start accepting that it probably won't um be sold what could we do so it's a multi-purpose I still think we're going to get some offers. But the other thing, we did have someone approach me again to send information to, but um what kind of business was that? It was a drive-thru only coffee shop. And I Exactly. That that reaction was the reaction that I conveyed that we had gone down that road before. Start with an S or what's that? Is it scooters again? Uh I I suspect that was possible. I don't have anything against them. I just don't want that for that location myself. That's my opinion. It's not It doesn't promote pedestrian blended peanut butter coffee. Well, yeah. For those who like coffee, I'm sure it's good. But but we know that the walk up is key and if they can't offer the walk up and the walkability to serve our very pedestrianoriented downtown, I think the council's been pretty consistent in your messaging to staff that that is an unattractive option unless we have that approach. So I did mention that and oh, you know, I'll talk to my so and so and get back to you. So, we'll see. So, I I Plus, that could that would create that could potentially create a big traffic issue if you've got if it's a popular place. Where are they all going to line up? Alongside Boulevard. You can't you can't qu because you see some of these coffee shops and they have a line of cars, right? Well, to be honest, the the caribou's location, I mean, the way that the lineup for that caribou blocks entire parking lot on a busy winter morning is uh it it's been something we've heard complaints about for years, but it was how it was designed. So, and we do have to be aware that if whatever we put there on a temporary basis, we need to make sure that our we're selling it as temporary so that our residents aren't feeling if we take it away for development. For instance, we we talked to a lot of people look temporary. Yes. They're like, what if you used it for parking? Well, we don't want to use it for parking and then all of a sudden a resident feels like we sell their parking spots for a development, you know, it can't be used for a park. We have to be careful that if we do put something there on a temporary basis that it appears temporary so residents aren't like we gave it and then you took it away to to build a development, you know. Yeah. So, we just have to be a little mindful of what goes there so we don't get push back later if the right we leave it for sale sign up. Trust me, I'd love creatively every time I look at different pictures I'm like what about this? What about this? Yeah, that I would love to be able to utilize it. I honestly love the idea of putting a little bit of electric down there, throwing a couple picnic tables. Well, you know what? You in the winter time you could put lights up or you know who I don't know Christmas tree sales. That's what I was going to say. Oh, that's a good idea. A Christmas tree lot. Christmas tree. We had that conversation. So, if we had electric, you can do it. So, um you do a generator too. They they do, but you offer them electric and everything becomes more attractive. So, yeah, it's about farmers market in the past. It could it could complement that as far as uh outlets and stuff. Any any number of creative possibilities to provide a cool temporary use on the lot. We just have to see if Scott wants to spend the money on the Scott. $73,000 according to your fund balance on page 36. Um yeah, 73,000. There you go. Unless of course that's earmarked for something. It's not earmarked right now. No. Um, and I don't I don't think it's a matter of whether or not there's money in there. I just think, like I said, if we do decide to put it in there, let's make sure that kind of we were talking with the streets and stuff. Let's if we're going to do it, we got to do it right. We have to put some thought into where it's going to go, how it's going to um because I we just I don't want to do anything halfway that we realize, oh, it doesn't fit this need or whatever. a lock for that like too like do people plug in? I would think that they would have it like in campsites and stuff they have the sticks with the electric. I'm sure they'd have something do any kind of a combo thing. Um and really if somebody's going to haul something up there to plug it in have at it. The quote we received from the typically most reasonable of the contractors we've worked with that there's currently no transformer on that site anymore. Excel would need to set one in addition to us setting a new service and receptacles. Our portion of of the work would be in the neighborhood of 3 to 4,000 and the Excel fees could be double that. It's about 10,000. Yeah. Without a building or anything or anything. You said Excel doesn't have what transformer transformer, right? There's no transformer on the site. You need a transformer for 10 to 12. That is what we're talking about. I guarantee Primo will do an extension cord for [Laughter] So you could have a a drop right outside the back of your building. Yeah. Well, how about we could talk to the owner of the building because I think Oh, yeah. He like the tenants don't pay electric directly I don't think I think they have that what do they call it cam um that that's it's included in there so we could be a customer sort of a tenant electrical tenant of of the building owner maybe I mean and put some outlets on the back side of the building actually yeah adding services yeah I mean that might be something that's a great idea to consider especially if we were if we spoke to them and you know because we don't know what's going to go there. We can't tell them we're going to be using this. You know, we plan to use a very small amount or we plan to use a very large amount. So, if we just had it contract negotiable as well have him put a a meter on it and then you can charge us, you know, what whatever the rate would be and we'd make it look nice. Mhm. Right. With lights. Like that Christmas tree idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, Although you'd have to plow it. A little creative. I can't store all my snow when it falls. Dig around a little bit. Right around the Christmas tree. All right, last call. No snow while we're selling Christmas trees. So our next meeting is on Monday, August 4th. So let's see. Determinate for the work session and following by the council meeting after that. Then and then night the following night on Tuesday, August 5th. Mark your calendar for that. I know you put out something about signing up if you're interested in holding neighborhood parties. Appreciate you doing that. Hopefully we'll get some uh good responses to that. All right. If there's no objection, I'll adjourn the meeting by general consent. hearing none. Meetings adjourned at 7 or 8:27