you good evening it is Monday March 10th at 7 pm and I call the Eda meeting to order um please stand and join us for the Pledge of Allegiance I pled Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and for thank you looking for a motion to adopt tonight's agenda so moved second move by Francis second By Buck any further discussion or questions hearing none all in favor signify by saying I I I oppose same sign the eyes have it six to zero um first item of business this evening is minutes we have minutes before us from October 10th October 14th 2024 and February 10th 2025 looking for a motion to approve those minutes so moved moveed by Warden second second by Francis any further discussion or questions hearing none all in favor of approving the minutes please signify by saying I I oppose same sign the eyes have it 6 to Zer we have no old business to come before us this even evening so we move on to new business first item of new business is letter A Downtown Development and purchase agreement and I'm going to turn that over to our city planner Mr cus thank you um chair and members the um we have an item okay we have an item uh coming before you tonight which is a uh proposal for downtown Redevelopment project uh that um the developer has uh prepared in the city uh Eda has been asked to consider um from a recommendation standpoint uh the city since we uh canel our purchase agreement on the uh downtown Redevelopment uh project with Maple it was called Maple and Maine LLC which was the group that we had uh entered into a purchase agreement with last year um we canel that in October of this year the owner of um the 50 210 um Main Street Building uh still had a purchase agreement that expired now um or was formally cancelled um and official uh just a week and a half ago and so um we've been waiting to bring back to you a new proposal for the downtown Redevelopment uh that's being that was prepared by uh Northshore development Partners LLC um they have been talking to the city actually for over a year about the potential Redevelopment uh site and this particular project they were kind of following along with us as the other site or as the other group had gone um through their process and um once they learned that the site was going to come back um to uh come back to be available they um met with the city uh on several different occasions we talked through um some of our highlevel uh ideas Concepts um some of the things that we have talked about with this group previously and um once it became available they uh put forward a uh proposal uh to uh purchase a property and and redevelop that property and so um there's a couple of um kind of bullet points that I noted in the report I'll just kind of go over high level and then I'll walk you through their Concepts um for those of you who don't know uh Northshore Partners developed this stack project in Long Lake so it's a I mean they're a local group they have some local projects that we could actually that you could actually look at and kind of get an idea of what uh type of things they've done with that uh they would like to propose a project on this um property that would be 70 a 70 unit market rate apartment building um it would they would like to break ground in the summer fall of 2025 uh they would have um under underground enclosed parking with also supplemental on street parking um and then above ground off street parking they're proposing a four-story building they um would entertain the possibility of a city hall either integrated or fre standing or Stand Alone um on that and in either of those cases they would be willing to U develop and build that particular building whether it was connected or integrated or freestanding project or free sany City Hall um we talked to them about the possibility of a uh retail um component to the downtown use um and in their particular uh proposal they um they don't have a a plan where they would have an integrated or like first floor level um retail so not a mixed use but they have talked to us and there's a couple of Concepts that we've looked at where we could potentially have a freestanding retail site on the corner of Maine and I mean on Maple and Highway 12 um or city hall or vice versa um kind of on the bud street right away and I I'll show you what that looks like as it relates to this particular deal 70 unit market rate uh they would be looking for uh similar breakdown um um approximately 70% of the tax increment financing uh I laid out kind of the terms they they'd take 70% of the Tiff on a 26-year Redevelopment District the city would take the remainder for public improvements public infrastructure improvements they would pay all all fees to the city uh up front or with the final plat something we talked about uh in any project we've talked it's still the same we're considering a regional storm water connection that would be provided to the property that would accommodate storm water um and then as it relates to public improvements it would um this project would be similar to what we've looked at it would be streets sidewalks lighting Landscaping uh and all public utilities and then reconstruction of the streets um at least those sections of Main and Maple that are needed and potentially you could keep going on Maine all the way um all the way to the fire station if if you wanted to continue to improve that the um way that we've structured this purchase screen is a little bit different than what we've done in the past um we've obviously tried this a number of times and one of the things we talked to the developer about and then Jacob and I talked about uh quite a bit was this idea that we have to have more tangible touch points during the purchase agreement if we were to enter into another purchase agreement and so rather than just we rather than just doing a a purchase agreement with a nemon or onee kind of due diligence time period we're talking about um um a phase one phase two phase three approach in where the developer would have would put down a deposit um or an escrow uh and that would buy them essentially 120 days to do the first phase of due diligence within that uh due diligence they um they would do a market study um and then they would also look at the financing um and and go through all of the kind of financing analysis that we would need to do and then on their end at the end of that base one the 120 days they'd provide us with written copies that financing um is uh feasible from A lender or from a approved um um um financer of the site but we would need something in writing that says they have the ability to move forward with the Project based on the that due diligence along with a uh Market study so they'd actually have to provide us with some things um if they get to that point and they want to move forward then for another $55,000 they could get 90 days within that 90 days um they would have to submit a complete application for the city to the city for the uh project and so that would be a full package building uh site engineering storm water um the whole piece and then within that after that second 90 days um if they needed to extend for some reason whatever that was they'd have the ability to do it again for another 90 days and then at the end of that they'd have to close on the property they've they've I mean we've talked through this and they agree in to the uh phase one phase two phase three um U process and they think that makes sense and they they think that would be good if we were to move forward with a recommendation at the Eda level obviously go to City Council and then um if Council were to approve that purchase agreement um we would work then with the developer to solidify a site plan um and I'll show you the concepts that we have but in that due diligence period that initial due diligence period we would come back with kind of more um more time to spend on really trying to nail down what a site plan would look like for that site uh they would initiate the market study they would submit all their Pro for and Financial now I will say they have given us some kind of really high level preliminary we've just seen it enough now that we don't we don't need to go through that and pay our consultants and do everything until we get to this point now um and so we would initiate that if if we were to move forward um they would secure verification of financing and then we would uh confirm to go through a phase to uh environmental we've already scoped that we know it it's just kind of sitting there on the Shelf waiting for a project to come along uh where we could then feel comfortable that we're going to initiate phase two um and then we would put together our Tiff calendar kind of those key dates for the Tiff plan uh to get considered and then um from the city stpoint at the end of the day you'd have to think about and ultimately decide city hall or not city hall probably within that first 120 days you'd have to at least decide are you going to try to be included in that are not included or how do you want to be included so that they could move forward accordingly so with that said um can I share you think or oh maybe it kick me back out okay I want to just kind of walk through what we looked at um like now oh yeah so um they've submitted three concepts Let Me Go full screen that were included in the packet so um these are fairly representative of the conversations we've had um relating to the site uh this particular concept one that they put together shows that future Redevelopment site on the corner um um which would be this area right here that's the potential kind of um site that the city would likely retain and we could then sell um or work on a second kind of Redevelopment opportunity for retail office mix use whatever that is and then they show City Hall kind of connected to the end of the building um again you can kind of see breakdown of what that looks like in terms of you know one bedrooms two bedroom Studio but a total of 70 units uh with the underground parking um going underneath the building and then being kind of completely underneath um which looks like that for the garage then you can see a typical floor uh the second and third floor plan what that kind of looks like in terms of Studio one-bedroom two-bedroom um second concept is kind of a similar variation except for they separated City Hall onto its own site one of the things we've talked to them about is I think there's a probability that we could shift City Hall actually further to the east to get it into maybe a portion of that bud street right away that we would vacate um we've talked about that could be a really cool Terminus for or County Road 19 or Bud coming up 19 you'd have kind of a city hall at the end of that but in either case it still preserves a site um in the northwest corner uh for that future retail very similar and then the third option just shows City Hall um being moved to the Main and Maple Corner um and then they line up their building essentially all the way along Main Street so these are very similar building Concepts to what we've looked at before minus the retail integration on the first floor the last proposal we looked at was 8,000 square ft of retail on the first floor um you guys know you've heard it it's really hard um to get that retail to work um I was just at a meeting today on a project in Victoria and the um developers were talking 50 plus dollars a square foot for new construction retail it's it's out of touch with most of our local mom and pop type Stores um and that's what they're afraid of is if they build it and they they hold it it's a liability on them and we hear this continually I mean this is the same thing um so the the question is I um you know does this align with what we're thinking about I do think there is a lot of Merit to the concept this kind of a concept where we would have a city hall kind of anchor the main Main Street uh Southwest Southeast corner and then we could have a standalone retail whether it's one story whether it's twostory whether it's got a drive-thru whether it's just a um you know an office type building I do think there is a way that we could still start to break that site up get some retail couple thousand square feet of retail but I think in the in the um in the manner that we we're talking about rather than trying to integrate it into this massive building if we could break that site up into a city hall building a 70 unit building and then another retail it really starts to help the like kind of small town scale of that site I think and could be successful in that you know it might be hard to get somebody to to spend that kind of those lease dollars but if somebody came in and they want to build something we'd have a great site they could own it I mean I think there's some um there's some Merit to that or we could get another just Investment Group who's like yeah I want to build 2 200 square feet of retail and lease it out um and you know put that up put that together but this is this is again pretty high level um we went through this exercise the developer actually sent me another variation but it's really just a variation of a theme with the city hall separated and the potential future Redevelopment exactly like this shows um just with the city hall shifted over a little bit so um these are the concepts is in terms of architecture we haven't honed in they they they're open they understand the architecture we've shown before so rather than kind of go through that exercise ahead of time we said let's just let's bring this Eda talk see if the um see where everybody is on this particular um proposal and then um we can you know enter into a purchas agreement if we want to do that they'd have 120 days to essentially do that high level due diligence and we' we'd be back with more information relating to um you know the the various aspects architecture site design concept um the financial piece of this the financial piece I mean we've looked at it I I talked to Northland Tammy um about the Redevelopment I mean it it's just a scaled down version of what we looked at we looked at um about a 100 unit building this is a 70 unit building so I mean it's 70% of what we were talking about um the the pricing on the um kind of Mark or the market valuation on these units has not changed since we looked at this last year there's still right right around that 200,000 per unit um is what we're talking about so that's kind of gives us a ball park but we think that's still right there but um once they once they give us a full proforma we'd be able to you know obviously go back look at our math but in terms of the agreement and the deal points they've agreed to all of the things we've talked about um and would be you know kind of a very similar proposal to what we had last last time um in terms of how that that purchas agreement would look um the one thing these guys have um obviously that the last group in is I mean they have a they have a project right down the street they've done quite I mean they're working on quite a few projects um and so I mean they're they've looked at this they've run the the map they think this is a a good project they think it's viable and they think they can produce so be happy to talk uh there is um representative from the group here if you guys have questions or anything so thank you for being here this evening did you have anything you wanted to add that um hasn't been said everything was covered so okay thank you anyone have questions for the developer um I've got just a few that go into here one the 5210 property would that be something that would be acquired by the developers separately not something that the city would acquire and roll into the package we're going to talk about it after this actually um that property specifically um there's multiple ways that we could get to that property the the important part right now is that it's not under contract um the developer is open to to putting a contract on that property um so yeah so we would we would tie that up before we would approve thisf so um um next one I have is in the kind of that option one with that potential future development site too just want to verify is that something that the city would retain ownership of that parcel I'm recommending that we would break that off and retain full ownership work out a agreement with the developer on the access and potentially maybe you know some sort of shared maintenance on the parking if that's if that is needed or that we could add parking you know but yeah my our thought would be we it and then we control it and then we work on the next developer to do that or the next owner a business owner or something and that's in all of the scenarios not just option one regardless even if is it on option two it looks like it extends not on three though uh further yeah yeah on three so it's just and I guess in option three we'd got a city hall on there so that one obviously we'd retain ownership but in in option two yeah we would do the same thing okay yeah I think our intent just the way that we're you know I mean we want retail right everybody I mean we've always talked we want mixed use we want both retail and and units it's hard to do it and a lot of the developers we've talked to said that it's it's just not it's not the desirable to do it and there's a a high probability they can't get those bases all rented so this is a way to kind of do both and I think just based on what we've learned in the last couple of go rounds on this um we know we can get that building built we might have to wait a little bit on that retail component but I think you build it and they will come I think once people see that whole block redevelop the new streetcape you know if you get if the city puts a city hall down there I it's going to create a new kind of synergy in that downtown that's going to then attract I think you know the potential for more use so Commissioner of eel sorry uh how big is that parcel for the retail you know I um so I think it can support probably two to three th000 square feet of retail it's it's um we haven't we haven't decided um how big it is I think we have the potential to kind of work on you know does this site need to be a little bit bigger does it need to be a little bit smaller what are the uses I think we could do some kind of ghost um design on that or ghost plat of that to say here's what a uh here's what a coffee with drive-thru here's what a retail mies use Maybe maybe it's twostory building retail first floor office second floor something like that I think we could just look at a couple and then say that line needs to go down 15 feet or we need another 40 feet you know however we want to look at that but I it hasn't been decided I think that that would be part of what we try to lock down on the next piece of this is what does that look like and then what can that become the one thing I mean I think we could all agree on is that I mean that's a really nice corner you know I mean so if we have that site developed and you can build essentially property line to property line because we're going to have storm water figured out we're going to have parking you know potentially put together for the on street I mean I think it's a desirable site then that somebody could come in it' be like almost a pad ready build your building plug in and you know you have a nice Corner retail or office so I don't know if this is the place I asked this but can the city support highend Apartments like this well so we hear we hear we can okay so everybody that keeps coming in says yes um the the market rate is something we don't have in Maple plane or really in this stretch right we just don't have a new market rate um but part of their due diligence and part of what they would do and we'd get a copy of is the market study showing or kind of um supporting the the um marketability or the leas ability of that that site so you know we've done historically we've done some some Market studies but they have to do it anyway so rather than us do one and then they do one they're just going to do it and we'll we'll get to look at it so that hasn't been done yet not for this particular building it really is like a it's really like a project by project we can do a broad reaching one which we've done many years ago we did some broad reaching um but then they're going to have to redo it so yeah okay commissioner Francis the excuse me the on street parking is that going to be is the plan to have that designated just for the residents of the building no because I know that part of the street dur you know in the evening is filled with mcgary's customers yeah so the city would be the one building that parking and we would retain that as public parking now okay they so what they would have is they'd have that lot they'd have this lot right here oh that would be above ground and it would just be for their residents and visitors to city hall or we could yeah with City Hall we might have some sort of a cross access um or shared parking agreement and then they'd have their spaces below so they they'd have that um we'd have to look at you know I mean whether it's a two spaces per unit or is it a 1.6 spaces I mean we've talked about these scenarios um we'd have to hone in on exactly what that parking looks like the intent that we've had all along is that we would construct new on Street diagonal or 90 parking on Main Street and on Maple to really Infuse a a whole new set of parking to our downtown businesses that would be for downtown businesses okay so mcgary's the new retail building if that was built City Hall and there's good crossover you know with City Hall I mean except for your Monday night meetings you know most of the week MC and mcgary's big nights which are probably Thursday Friday Saturday right there's not going to be a use at City Hall likely so there's going to be good shared access to that but okay thank you commissioner AIO um yes so thank you uh is this the plan where also close off but Avenue as well correct so they don't show it in this concept um but we've talked I mean it's in our pump plan it's in our plans that we would close butt Avenue and we' add more parking there as well for diagonal parking or would that just be like a well it depends so we've looked at whether or not City if this city hall building it's possible um see if I can find my cursor right here it's possible that you could take City Hall instead of doing it right there where it's shown you might say let's take City Hall and put it here um and then if you do that that could take up part of the bud street but then we've also talked about just returning that to either public Plaza public open space um something of that nature downtown that would play off of the city hall building okay because they don't want to blog access to the library I suppose either yeah the library is the one wild card but we we would work with the library to make sure they maintain access to their parking so sure any other questions or comments commissioner Duca Mark the timeline you were talking about I'm trying to piece in my mind the 120 days the 90 days possible extension and you mentioned that they were targeting trying to have construction this fall is that doable under this time frame or some work already being done that might jump start those because the math doesn't work when you yeah it it's just dependent right so say we adopt this purch agreement at the end of this month or in two weeks uh at your Council me let's say that's the timeline so we really are starting the clock April 1 so you've got April May June July to do their due diligence and then they'd have August September October for entitlement is it possible they could start or break ground on the the project yeah but to your point it's it's a tight time frame they um we talked about a 909090 and they said that first they just don't want to be cut off so they said can we get 120 days on phase one and then the rest I think their intent is to to go though right so if they get this it's possible they don't need the 120 days that they could get their finding sooner and then they would try to push and get get back to sooner the reality for us is and for them is if we get to a point where we're fully entitled and you're going to do a downtown reconstruction project that's going to be a 26 project which you know they're an 18-month build you know no matter what so even if they broke around this year the likelihood that they're going to open in um 26 I mean slim it could be close um but it's probably a 27 open um to align with your street reconstruction project we would we would work through this timeline right I mean this is the outline that we got this is kind of where we are so if you take that 120 and then the 90 and entitlement we're into October November right I mean we're we're up against a timeline but is there work that could get done or started in the in the fall of 26 I think I think there could be um it just depends what they what they want to do commissioner Francis so the only thing we haven't talked about is the little tiny building that's on the corner with the big sign that says Museum what are we going to do with that little tiny building Judy's got a plan is what I I mean I think that you're we're gonna have to decide what where does that where does that go we I mean the city has a site for it if they want to do it we know it's not movable yeah I just don't want it to have it demoed and everything that's in the there lost we'd have plenty of time to work okay with the museum to make sure we can get them where they need to get get them a new home someplace okay thank you any other questions or comments the um only other thing I was going to tell you mayor and council is we have worked on this for a while now and I I do have other groups that are interested in this site um the group that left the site is wanting to come back I have another group that I've met with a couple of times and they're just they're just trying to get their pieces together um so I just wanted to tell you that that we do have other interest in this site but um Northshore gave us a proposal when we asked for it which was December um and they've been kind of all the way along trying to work work on this and so in all fairness to them we think this is the proposal you have and it is the only formal proposal I have but I just I just thought I want to I just want to let you know that there are other groups that continue to approach us continue to look at this site are trying to figure out how to make it happen so administrator kander thank you chair um one thing I want to stress to that Mark already mentioned but that the that's why we wrote in this purchase agreement language that there's there's timelines I mean you have to have this done by then you have to have this done by then because if it doesn't and it's not going anywhere then we can get out of it and get someone in different unlike the last time where just had to drag on because they had all the time so and there is a monetary we did we did that last time but only with the one time now we're we're talking 5,000 then 5,000 then 5,000 so and that all would go to the purchase of price if they closed but if they walk then it it stays with you so there is a little we're trying not to make it un insurmountable we want to you know I mean we're trying to attract this business and get this Redevelopment off the ground but we wanted to put some better timelines in there so it's not just this hey we approve it now and then at Christmas we're going hey they didn't do anything you know and the whole time we were trying to get something done this way we've got some kind of tangibles here's what you got to deliver and if you deliver you can keep going if you don't we're out we'll go find the next group that wants to move planner culus I'm going to ask a question I know the answer to but someone viewing might not um the other developers coming forward they're not grocery stores they're not retail they're similar to this yeah we don't we don't have a retail proposal one of the groups I've worked with has been trying to you know I mean I think you could encourage a group to maybe come forward and say we'll look at it you know just to try to get at the table um but everyone we've talked to has the same concerns about retail and those prices are just right now it's just kind of out of control on the pricing like I I share with you the the one that we're looking at the same construction cost so it's not like you know from Victoria to here it's even though they might have a little different Market it's same cost to build and um I mean you're not you know in order to get to that 50 you you got Nationals I mean you're talking you got to get McDonald's you gotta get you got to get you know people that are willing to spend that so it's hard I think that what we're talking about there's two pieces that I like about it one is depending on if you don't do a city hall we might have another retail site right so however that works out I like the idea that we could break that space up rather than just doing a mega building and it just kind of takes up I think scale-wise for Maple Planet could be really good to have kind of a Highway 12 Corner anchor a bud m a butt and Main Corner anchor and then have this Main Street Frontage we can do all the fancy architecture tricks tall windows and everything to make it look and feel good on Main Street um but I think that that retail space and the City Hall space could become like to scale I think it could be a much better mix at the end of the day um with that said would I love somebody to say yeah let me put a corner retail on the first floor for sure that that'd be great it's just not it's just not there right now now um the other thing I I will say with this proposal and we've seen the we've run the gamut right we had a 58 unit we've had 125 unit we had 100 and now this 70 I like this size for this site it's four stories it's I think it's got a the right scale for us it's not a mega building um it's I don't think it's going to overwhelm that site certainly going to feel big compared to anything we have down there but I don't think it's going to overwhelm the site and then I think with those other pieces we could have a cool project I mean we could have something that kind of has a good scale to it but thank you commissioner um thank you I think I think I heard you correctly or not but did you say if we would go through this proposal with this company they'd be willing they were looking at developing more of our downtown area is that what I heard you say um I don't know that we I don't know that we talked I mean I don't know that they'd be opposed to that but I don't know that we talked about it specific what I said is that they they would be willing to build City Hall even whether we own it or they own it and Lease to us or whatever but um they would be willing to help us build or develop I mean they're they're a a build outfit as well as the development outfit so they they could do that if we had a tenant for that retail site they'd be willing to work on that as well but um we haven't really talked about kind of next piece um Beyond this one it might be I guess I okay I just may misunderstood you so next steps so for Eda if we like the proposal that's in front of us we would recommend to the city council to to move forward and then between now and city council we'd obviously um kind of formalize the well we have a Pur agreement I mean our attorneys drafted it and they've looked at it but we' we'd get them to agree to sign and um we would uh then bring it to the uh March 2 fourth meeting and city council could consider and then if we move that would be our next step to move forward and we'd present a better timeline for um kind of those next pieces too okay thank you all right looking for feedback from Commissioners in particular commissioner Warden not to put you on the spot but you're solo tonight with commission Henrik not here um but wouldd love to you know give you the opportunity if you have more you'd like to say before we on um yeah I I like this project I think for a lot of the things that you pointed out I think that's been one of my Hang-Ups for some of the developments I agree working in the commercial real estate industry that getting office retail leases done is hard in general um I think that 50 sounds like a deal I'd love to do because we're doing TI packages of over a $100 a square foot right now um and so I I agree I think in in trying to have a building where we're incorporating that first floor retail it puts a lot of that onus on the developer that's now going to be sitting on vacant space that they had to spend the money to build out they're not going to be able to use for down the road yeah I think there's going to be the market for that right now I think it puts a large burden that's really going to impact their financials um the other part when we were looking at that 120 unit the part that stuck with me a little bit was this is our last parcel of downtown property and if we just put that housing on there it kind of detracts from our ability to make it that you know Main Street downtown I love this because it has it's putting that like higher density and higher end uh rooftops right in that central location and it has the ability to add you know that city hall or that one or two retail and I think it's one of those it's going to bring activity downtown you're G to have people you know walking around at night it's going to bring bring more traffic to mcgary's I think it's going to make those Parcels on the same plot a lot more desirable that when that market turns around um that we're going to be able to get something done there and it doesn't hold up the entire project while we wait for for all of that perfect storm of scenarios to come about um I think the I really like that phase because again it's what have I been on the Eda for is it coming up eight years now I know the the amount I mean I think we've had this property encumbered for 70% of that time by one group or another I think this is very fair I think you I like that 120 on the front end because again it doesn't put them in a spot where they've got to make a go noo deal sooner than they may be able to have everything uh in order uh but if they get stuff wrapped up you know that's the that's the long end it it gives them an adequate fair amount of time to get everything in order um but it still doesn't tie up that property for you know a year uh to go through the full process so um I like it I uh I guess I I would definitely recommend to council to to continue moving forward thank you for that feedback commissioner Warden any other Commissioners any feedback or thoughts I want to Echo a lot of the same things but I like the idea that we can do something in the future because once we start we will get something else to be looking at so we got to start somewhere thank you commissioner Buck any other feedback I'm seeing a lot of head nods and uh think if I'm reading the room correctly we'd like to um recommend to councel to go ahead um with this proposal and would anyone like to make that motion I'll make that motion wait hold on hold on I I don't know if I have a motion right now is there a second before I open it up for discussion oh second my second by commissioner Duca um I'll will be the time for question comments sorry I'm still learning my sorry apologize um I guess I have to speak for the people that I understand what yall said but um I know a lot of folks in town do not would do not approve of do not want to see Apartments there I guess is what I'm trying to say they want to I understand all the arguments I'm just putting it out there that they would be disappointed about this decision and that they would like to see more retail especially with I understand the comments that been made there's not enough house forof tops there's not etc etc but with the amount of traffic that goes through here with amount of people that work in this town having a retail space in there for somebody especially um as I said groceries would be very beneficial and I understand the arguments I just don't understand how they've been uh other businesses have been approached if they actually studied the traffic going through this town the people that work in this town and I I just think the argument that there's not rooftop does not hold Merit so but that time to say my pece and discussion um so that's how I feel about it and that's how I feel feel that most of the people in my neighborhood feel about the same way so I feel like I need to speak for them as well thank you for that feedback any other comments questions with that so we have a motion in a second all in favor please signify by saying I I oppose same sign are you abstaining or I didn't hear you either way I'm I'm going to stay because I need to think about this sorry I don't think you because there's not a con no okay well didn't want you ask um unfortunately uh commissioner ariso at this point you can obstain if there's a conflict of interest um if it's because that you're you're not ready to make up your mind then uh you would have to vote no no I didn't I I thought okay I just wasain I can't you can't abstain that's only if there's a conflict of interest okay um I guess I say the other thing sign what's that no no no you say no okay all right um the motion passes five to one um to go forward with a recommendation to councel thank you great all right um with that um we are going to go looking for a motion to go into close session to discuss the development offer for the purchase of proper property this portion of the meeting may be closed perced to Minnesota statute 13d 05 subdivision 3 looking for that motion I'll make that motion motion by commissioner bck second second by commissioner Warden all in favor of going into close session please signify by saying I I I oppose same sign the eyes have it 6 to Zer we are going into close session at 7:44 and I am looking for a motion to come out of Clos session so mov d mooved by commissioner Francis seconded second by commissioner AIO all in favor of coming out of closed session signify by say I I close same sign the eyes have it um six to zero we out of closed session at 812 and again we were in closed session um to discuss the discussion to develop an offer for the purchase of property um next uh do we have any other business to come before us hear none none I'm looking for a motion to adjourn so moved moved by commissioner Francis seconded second by commissioner Ario all in favor of adjourning signify by saying I I post same sign eyes haveit 6 to zero the meeting is adjourned at 8:12 thank you