Good evening and welcome to the Economic Development Authority meeting. It is Monday, April 13th at 7 PM and we'll call the meeting to order. With that, looking for a motion to adopt this evening's agenda. >> I'll make that motion. >> Moved by Francis. >> Second. >> Second by Warden. All in favor? >> I >> I oppose. Same sign. The eyes have it. Welcome everyone. All right. Um, next item business this evening. First item is meeting minutes from January 12th, 2026. >> Those were in our packet for review. Looking for a motion to approve those or mention any changes. >> Move to approve the minutes. >> Motion by Duca. >> Second. >> Second by Francis. Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All in favor signify by saying I. I oppose. Same sign. The eyes have it. No old business come before us this evening. So, we will move on to our new business. And I will turn that over to our planner, Mr. Goldassus. >> Thank you, honorable chair and uh commissioners. Um we've got a uh concept plan to present to you tonight for a possible development on a property I think that we're all fairly familiar with in the city. Um, I'm going to walk through that uh concept proposal and then um just kind of talk about what is um in front of you, what we've talked to the potential applicants about a little bit about this property, and then really what we're looking for tonight from the ADA EDA is just kind of a a first or initial reaction to a project that would be similar to this in terms of um the development of this piece, the type of product that's being proposed, and And then ultimately um knowing that at some point should this project move forward uh the applicants would be asking the city for um economic incentive and I'll talk a little bit about what that might look like. So with that, uh, this particular property that is on the screen is a an approximately 6 and a half acre, uh, piece of property that was recently broken off from the property just to the west that 5370 Highway 12 commercial industrial building. Uh, the the owner of that building went through the process of splitting off this property and there was a lot of discussion about um what they uh could do with that property. Ultimately, um, when we split the property, one of the things we we did was ensure that there was a cross access easement and a shared entrance off of Highway 12 that could support, uh, the future development of this property. With that said, this particular property is zoned mixeduse Bud Avenue, so MUB. And in the mixeduse Bud Avenue zoning district there, we have a a really wide array of possible land uses including multifamily um as as one of those uh permitted land uses. The applicant tonight is looking at this piece of property as a possible development for a uh residential uh development for um rental town homes. So, a multif family development rental town homes somewhere in the neighborhood of approximately 85 uh rental town homes. So, we talked about that site with the developer um uh looking at what it could be used for, looking at some of the compatibility uh of this site with surrounding land uses. And as you know, there's some industrial land use that's still remnant, that large 130 square thousand foot building to the west. There are also some industrial land uses to the north where the rental units are. Um, and then there uh are still some remnant industrial or commercial industrial uh to the south as well. And then if you get to the east side of this property on the northeast side, you can see that we have residential or multifamily residential um that primarily backs up uh to the the east side. And so with that, we've talked about this property a lot. Most of the proposals that the city has gotten on this property um in the last, let's say, 5 to 10 years have been some sort of a storage facility. Uh lots of lots of garage condo proposals, things of that nature. And when those have come in, we've uh historically now on on multiple occasions um turned those down as being really highest and best use for the property, noting that there might be better uses um that would be more compatible both with the surrounding land uses as well as with our mixeduse Bud Avenue zoning district. So with that um the developer put together a a concept plan that shows what a potential layout could look like. Kevin, if you could scroll down to page eight or the packet. So, this is a um just a highle concept sketch that shows what a potential layout could look like. There's a couple of things that I want to note as far as the layout goes and some of the things that we talked about with the applicant. one. You can see here that the property that is being considered also now contemplates the used car lot that is at the Highway 12 kind of entrance to this site. And so with that, um, this concept proposes to utilize an a new access point essentially coming off of that uh property that would come into the site to serve uh the development. And then on the um north and west corner, which is is um if you're looking at the page to your left, lower left, you can see that one of the things we've talked about and the applicant is proposing um and they've talked to the owner of the commercial industrial property is an access point that would actually wrap around the north side of the 130,000 square foot building and tie into Pioneer Creek Drive and provide a second means of access which would have a huge advant there would be a huge advantage to trying to obtain that access and construct an access that would uh be able to take advantage of Pioneer Creek and then ultimately the light um that comes out onto Highway 12. And so those two connection points with this development start to to really help make some sense out of that development. Um, you can see the way they've oriented the buildings on the west side, trying to minimize kind of the view into the commercial industrial on the west. Um, and then backing um those units up to the property to the east side which is primarily current or it's currently uh multifamily and we have a proposal um that's been kind of in standing on that other vacant piece of property for additional multif family apartments. So, um, with this, uh, particular development, the the applicant has talked to us about the possibility utilizing housing tax increment financing to be able to put this project together. So, with that, I'm sorry, redevelopment tax increment financing. I'm correcting myself. We we talked about both. Um, redevelopment tax increment financing to help put this project together. uh redevelopment tax increment financing relies on um the ability to meet the standards for redevelopment tax increment with the uh the used car lot coming into play with this site and then with the existing conditions of this property um still existing uh quite a large area of improved kind of pavement. It's grown over, but it's still there. And um that would we think this site could qualify for redevelopment tax increment, which would allow um probably the most flexibility in terms of the city being able to provide um some sort of um increment that would support the project. As you know, with all tax increments got to meet the B4 test and it would have to go through full financial analysis um in order for that to to happen. Um, with that said, a couple other things we talked about as just as it relates to housing in this particular area. One is how do you connect pedestrians to the rest of the city? We talked about the possibility of having uh some sort of a connection that would run along Highway 12 potentially going down to Bud and maybe then connecting to the Hawk signal. We also talked about a pedestrian connection to the north which would get to Pioneer Creek. there is a trail on Pioneer Creek that would tie into then our park system or get you over to uh the school here, the park uh across. And so those are things that if this would uh if this project were to advance that we'd be looking at um as it related to um kind of connectivity and and how this might uh go together. So um really the next steps for this particular development would be um if if the applicant felt that they could get support and go forward with the project, it would be to submit a more formal um concept plan and narrative that would be then brought forward to uh planning commission and city council. And then they would they would also at that time be working on um market and financial feasibility of the project. And then um we would be looking at the tax increment financing and tiff side of that project. And then from there it would have to go through full entitlement process. Tonight's really just about kind of an initial reaction. What do we think about this idea on this this property bringing in, you know, somewhere in the neighborhood of about 85 rental town homes. Um the the applicant could talk more about what that product might look like. One thing I'll note is we don't have a rental town home product really in town. So, this is somewhat of a a unique property or a type of property that we don't have in terms of housing um in that it would be a fully um rental community which would have kind of single ownership and then uh individual rentals. So, um I can go into more detail or less detail. The applicants are here tonight to talk about any um any kind of more information that you'd want along with the concept plan. And I noted they did provide and it was in the packet that just kind of some imagery, some summary of kind of what the unit the unit mix would look like, what those units uh would look like um in that. And um one thing to note is the applicant was talking about trying to incorporate to the extent possible on some of the endcap units um one bed uh one level uh units which would then potentially create like a stacked unit condition uh where you'd have a single level living on the lower floor and then you'd have a stairway that goes up and a single level living on the upper floor or something like that. But uh we did talk about onelevel living as a possibility that they would like to include um into the floor plans or into this unit mix. So that happy to answer any questions or talk further on uh what's being presented. >> Questions questions for staff or for the developer? >> Commissioner Visel. >> Yes, I have some questions. So um has there been other looks at this land for more efficient use perhaps? Is this most efficient use of the land? That's what I'm trying to say. Or could it be better served with some commercial um or mixeduse properties given that we have a limited commercial tax base in this area and we have very limited spaces to you know develop as well. Furthermore, also with the concern of of supporting the infrastructure supporting it as well. So, is this would you consider the most efficient use of this land? >> Um, yeah, thank you. I I don't know if I could comment specifically on is it the most efficient or not? I think for us it's always a balance, right? We're trying to find uses that fit along with uses where the market supports the use. Um we've tried for many many years to increase our commercial tax base by doing more uh commercial and one of the things that we keep hearing or that we have always heard is you need more rooftops support more commercial right so it's kind of this catch 22 where do you start and stop with that um I I think when you look at the surrounding land uses when we saw this proposal come forward and I say we Jacob and I um had met with the developer a couple times uh we look at that surrounding area and it's a tough area you've got a 130,000 foot warehouse building which is not heavy industrial but it does have kind of the feel of heavier industrial. You've got commercial property to the north with the rental uh buildings and then we still have some remnant kind of mixeduse commercial to the south and and east. And then we have multif family residential. And we know the Bud Street property uh that's owned by a a housing developer wants to I mean he's shown us a proposal. It just hasn't moved all the way forward with a 100 unitit rental apartment building. And so this product is a product we don't have. It doesn't increase our um residential rooftop basis. Um and it does it in a way that kind of blends between the two the two uses. Whether or not it's the highest and best use, I mean, I'd look to you to to say that it is or it isn't. Um, at some point though with commercial with our U rental properties, you know, we're doing a 96 unit in downtown, they have the 106 units or 108 on the Bud Street property. Um, that probably eats up the market share on rental apartment units for 15 20 years. I mean, we don't know, but right now that that would eat it up from what we know uh as far as the demand. So, trying to integrate another um uh project into the city with a product that we don't have is something that's intriguing, I think, to at least to to look at or talk about. So, I don't know on a mixeduse basis what how long do you want to wait and then what what do you want to uh wait for is you know, you got to ask that question. And I don't know if I have a clear answer for that. So >> I guess you can also argue that we're adding rooftops by adding the as you've mentioned and >> right >> some at Bud and 95 at Maple and Maine. So you know we have been building it now things maybe can come. you know, we we can see that maybe we're have already lifted up our um image here at the city that maybe we should think rethink some of these other things going first and think about this before we just like just you know give up our last one of our few parcels we have left on the city. So that would be my concern I guess. Plus I'm also concerned about you know water infrastructure and traffic on 12 which is already you know dangerous as we all know. Yes, we are trying to work on that and how is this going to impact you know traffic and roads and schools and all residents around us. So that's something you got to think about. That's still still 85 more units people families on top of already other development that's already going on. So, are we out, you know, are we going to just basically outgrow ourselves and then have basically big-time traffic issues? I mean, has that been looked at? Has like water usage been looked at, resources, infrastructure, all that been kind of thought about impacting this? So, >> yeah, >> that's my concern. >> Yeah, all good points. All things we would for sure look at if there's a project to advance on on this. Right. Uh, Commissioner Francis and then Commissioner Duca. >> So, with the the access coming out onto Highway 12, is do we have to worry about Mindot saying, "Nope, you can't use you can't access 12. I mean, is that a possibility?" >> Yeah, I mean, well, it's a possibility that they would have a comment. They they can't close off access. So whether they would restrict access to a right in right out or something like that, which probably doesn't occur, >> I think um you know our one of the things that this development group has done because they're working with the owner next door, they've secured this access point as a part of that deal if it were to move forward. That's a huge that's a huge advantage because our first comment when this came in was access. And we said we really think we ought to try to get a a secondary access. And we've talked about secondary accesses being in multiple places. You could have one that would go through to Bud, but that's not that's not ideal either because that's going to drive traffic into our neighborhoods. Whereas this connection, which goes back out to Pioneer Creek, is is going to very likely drive traffic to the stoplight at Hogrand, which is ideal. I mean, that is where we want people to get on Highway 12. And anybody that would be moving into this development, if they even if it stayed a full access in the morning, they wanted to commute, they're they're going to find out in about three minutes that they can't they can't get out on the Highway 12. Now, they can come home on Highway 12 and turn in all day every day and it's not a problem. They could go get breakfast in the morning turning out, but I think you'd see a a total change which is going to support development here way better than if we didn't have it. So, >> okay, >> we'd have to work with MDOT. you know, we worked with them on that shared access point. Um, and they they allowed it they they were going to allow two access points. It was actually a city who was saying we need to shut it down. So, >> okay, >> we we'd keep working with them if this were to go forward, but I think with what they're proposing, um, and and I don't know, all of you recall, I mean, you know, the owner of that site, we've tried to get that access point opened up when he redeveloped his property and it was a no-go. So the fact that this group has convinced him otherwise is actually a really strong positive not just for this development but for that development as well. So >> okay thank you commissioner Duca. >> I have two questions Mark. So let me start with the first one and then I'll come back to the second. You talk about a new product this rental town home. Can you describe a little more how that works and what it would how it would encompass? What do you mean by that? >> Yeah. Um, and I can let the developer talk too if if you want to hear more about this type of community, but we've seen this type of community. Um, I've seen it in other communities. So, um, you know, a lot of town home communities are forale communities so that people come in, they they purchase and own the town home and they own the piece of land underneath the town home. This would be this would be rental. So, it would be owned and maintained by a single operator. um that would then um they would they would have the full ownership. They would have control over you know all of the units and those units would be for monthly rent essentially. What makes this different than other products we have is that it's it's more of a a home than an apartment, right? So our other apartments that we have in town, you might have a detached garage across the parking lot or like our new building we're building downtown, you have to go into a a ramp underneath this. do have more of a traditional kind of kind of more of a town home feel where you drive into your own garage and you walk into your own unit, but instead of having to purchase it, it's a rental product which changes the market of who you're trying to attract to something that's probably a little bit more obtainable um in this market, but also serves people who don't want to have another home, people who aren't in a position to purchase right now for whatever reason it is. It does provide, I think, a different product that we just we don't have anything like this product. Uh with the exception of a couple of units, right? Everybody knows that the four-unit building right behind it. There's one uh that's a rental town home product, but um yeah, so it's a it's a just totally different. I mean, it's it's going to have a a community building or a community amenity. Um it would all be private drives, privately owned and maintained by the community. So none of that would be public infrastructure. That would be the responsibility of the city. Um landscaping, you know, irrigation, all that would be provided by the owner um entity and they would they would uh take control of all that. So >> and then I'd like to comment that I appreciate any developer. Thank you. If you're interested in coming into our fine community and putting up a product, great. Work through the process. Um, I'm going to comment though only on the economic piece of this. I'm think it's really planning's responsibility to talk about the concept, the plan, the look, the feel. I don't think that's our role as an EDA. But from the EDA perspective, I like the idea of the land developing. And I certainly would be interested in recommending to council that, you know, that tiff would be a product we could figure out with it. But I'm not going to get into the details of of the the product or the the piece. I just think that we have to leave to our planning experts. >> Thank you, Commissioner Duca. Commissioner Warden. >> Yeah, I um >> Sorry, were you raising your hand? >> No. Uh yeah, I'm happy to com. So um look, sorry if you weren't. I apologize. >> I was waiting to uh Yeah. So, um, don't have a whole lot on questions. I I would, uh, mirror a lot of of your statements and very happy to, uh, to have you interested in our community. Um, I also think this is a great opportunity, as we've said, when, you know, we're looking at the downtown development. I think rooftops are crucial to helping spur that economic development in our city. And to the point of what other options are available for that land, working in the commercial real estate industry, I can tell you that that is a very challenging industry right now. And adding 100 units in the downtown, adding 85 units here still isn't going to bring Target knocking on our doors or anything like that. What we're doing is we are, you know, bringing business to McGar's. We're bringing business to Iron Exchange, Blackwater. You know, we have other, you know, office product that's vacant in town, other, you know, retail spaces that are, uh, are available, uh, that this is going to help drive traffic to those businesses. Um, so with that being the case, I think, you know, again, this is a great use in my opinion. it's, you know, with the the rental town homes is likely going to bring families. It's going to bring, you know, market rate uh type apartments and uh um so I'm I'm on board and and also to your point, I think that, you know, as we look down it, I'm not opposed to, you know, considering TIFF as as part of the funding for this. I think you know to to your point um you know making sure that the infrastructure we have you know water uh sewer all of that if if anything needs to tie into that that the city's you know using any portion of a tiff if developed uh to go towards any of the city related costs. Um, but otherwise I I think this is a a good use uh that that will really help bring some some business to our uh our Maple Plane community. >> You, Commissioner Warden, >> Mr. Henrik, >> I am I'm not really familiar with this concept at all and I guess I would like to hear from the developers if they've had any how many type of units with the rental condos. Asking too much? >> Nope, not at all. Um, at this time we would like to invite who'd ever like to speak to that question forward. If you wouldn't mind introducing yourselves, we'd appreciate it. >> Thank you, um, commissioners, mayor, commissioners for having us tonight. I am Caitlyn Murray from Equinox Development Partners. I have been in this building on a weekly basis for the last three years at ECF. So, I'm really excited to be here tonight for a different reason and a different um capacity uh to contribute to the community we all live in. So, this is really exciting. Thank you for having us. Um thank you Mark for all your pres your presentation and your comments. I have no corrections to what you you've everything you've said is accurately reflected product type concept everything um I I agree with uh for the record but um we're super excited to be here. Uh we I also wanted to say um Sandy Baron from CBRE is also sitting is also in attendance tonight as a representative um from as a property owner. He's been involved with this site on the industrial side and before this was subdivided um for the last 14 years since the current owner acquired the site. So, if there's any questions on that front, I wanted to to make a note that he is here. Um, we we've had great conversations with the land owner. We are under contract with a land owner um to construct something like this. So, we are we are ready to proceed. We're really excited to go through the process. Uh we're familiar with the tiff process. We're familiar with this. So, we um look forward to hopefully continuing this conversation um at the next one. But um Commissioner uh Henrich, >> very good. >> Henrich. Okay. Um I wanted to um we this product type uh and the rental part that that Mark mentioned is is all accurate. Uh what we have here is majority of twobedroom plus den and three-bedroom product type. Um the imagery you saw in the the provided materials is from our recently completed project along Highway 169 in Champlain. Um so those are some actual photos of our project there. That's that's the three-story product type. And that product was so wellreceived there from by the community. Uh we have a lot of various renters. Everyone that Mark mentioned, it was spot-on to who's there really providing housing for people in transition, for people that don't want to own or can't own. Um that's that's the product type. Does that help answer your question or happy to pro elaborate? I guess the concern since I'm not familiar with it is what percentage of your properties are rented? 70% 100%. Um and understanding that people come and people go. >> Yeah. Yes. All of our properties are rented and we work with the a professional management company, Bader Management. You've probably heard of them. They're out of St. Louis Park. They manage over 13,000 units across the metro area. Uh and there's some of these newer town home these this product type is is newer. As you've seen a lot of the rental town home product that does exist is older. So there are some newer product or new new projects that have come online in the last two to three years that we work with and we pay attention to what's working there, what's not, what do we want to do in the next one. All we all have to adapt and design something that you know isn't foolproof but retains residents. Uh we care about our buildings. We care who lives there. We want to, you know, maintain occupancy and keep people happy and be proud of what we do and what we build and be proud of the communities that that we build in. So, yes, rental rental town homes is is our is our passion. >> And this is technically a not a question for you. It's for Mark. I'm an owner. I'm not a I'm not a renter. Never have been except for the first 18 months of our marriage, which is a few of you weren't alive at that. >> Is the demographics moving more towards renting than owning. >> I mean on a on a broad basis >> for for sure just because of the challenges with home ownership right now. We're I mean yes the metro has seen a huge shift the country's seen a huge shift in in what people are looking at for product. I will tell you that this type of product, so um rental town homes and then rental single family housing communities, it is a newer product, but we're seeing more and more of it. And we're seeing more and more people that are attracted to these rental products that are homelike, but um but not, you know, for sale or buyer. >> I would agree I agree with everything Mark said. Um I with our detached or sorry attached garages and separate private entries it the our product type is as close as you can get to for sale product. Um but the price point isn't quite there. You don't have the maintenance costs and and um HOA fees that the associate with not only home ownership or maybe you're in a for sale town home product. So we are able to capture a greater market share because because of that people that don't want to own or can't own like like Mark said and we also like like Mark said as I keep mentioning um the onelevel living units we've we've worked really hard to incorporate that in our site plan to again accommodate and serve another community that wants a one a unit on one level without any stairs. >> One last question. It's actually it's not a question, it's a statement before we unless anybody else has other questions is as Adam pointed out. You know, the EDA has been looking our our issue with developing Maple Plane has been more on rooftops than something that's been commercial. So, the more occupied rooftops that we can get, the happier this commission's going to be. We think it's a great compromise as a product type. You know, it's not apartments, it's not ownership town home. We think it's a really good compromise. we're prepared to have those conversations and we want those too. Mark made a lot of good suggestions about how do we connect to this community like we got to get to the north, we got to get to the the pedestrian quad, but we want that for our residents. So, we're prepared to take this to the next step and have those conversations and get really into the details and to make sure this makes sense for everybody. >> Thank you. Good questions and good discussion. Um, so many of the things I was thinking have already been said, so I'm not going to repeat them. Um, but just one question that I do have. Was there ever dialogue or possibility of some being own versus rental? >> Could it be mixed? >> Oh, we get that question a lot. Um, and in in the state of Minnesota for ownership, HOA town home communities are under a lot of regulation >> and that risk profile is significantly higher and different than a rental community. So unfortunately there's it's just it's a different business plan. It's a different product type. It's a different you know risk profile and returns required are even greater to be honest because of the um legalities associated with running HOAs and and the regulations that you have for the statute of limitation specifically. I guess that would be my dream and my wish. And you know, we're a unique community out here and we're always willing to um make things happen. Um took us seven and a half years to get a quick trip. So we're willing to work with people. So if there's any way possible, well, I appreciate your perspective. Only seven and a half years. Well, more than that, but >> and I and I I you know, rentals is rentals are needed, too. So I think um I I am I think they're just as important, if not more important than ownership. Um from a housing perspective, it's the housing crisis if you want to call it that is if that if you read the headlines of you know we need to build more and this is um we think a great compromise of within the community of a product type to not only density wise but I I won't bore you with all the exciting things we've integrated into the site plan to not you know have the garage faces on the you know this is site plan number 13 I think we've just we're obsessed with making it right and and look good. So, um, we're excited. >> Appreciate that. Thank you. >> Yeah. And agree. And my only concern, which I think has been addressed a little bit as well, is just the number of rentals that are going in, you know, at one time. How is that going to affect the community? Um, this is a completely different product. Um, so >> yeah, and that's something I think we could >> we'd get more into with the um, you know, I mean, one of the steps they'd take next would be market study. We've seen the market study that was done for the downtown project, but they would do a little bit different piece and it would start to show what that demand looks like. Um, but yeah, I mean, with this product, it's it is different. Is it's something that I think would have a um it would attract a totally different um resident to our community. I think you I think you'd probably see longer term residents in these units than you do in some of the apartment products that we have. um because you're getting a you're getting a garage, you're getting a private entrance, you're getting an amenity package. And so some of those things I think create kind of more of a neighborhood than, you know, just an apartment building might. So, >> well, I'm excited for next steps and to see um where it goes with ED um with planning, excuse me, and then we'll go from there. If there's any other questions or comments from anyone, >> I'm just looking at a big picture timeline here. Are is this something that could happen in the next year, the next two years, the next seven and a half? >> Yeah, I mean um so I and Kaitlin can speak to their timeline, but I mean we're we're talking about a entitlement process that they'd like to then proceed through this year. >> Okay. And that >> they'd like to get in the ground this year. Yes. >> Okay. >> So yeah, this would be >> a lot of steps as we know from the other projects. >> Correct. >> But Yep. >> Thank you. Anything else you need from us staff? >> No staff standoint. I think that's great. That's good direction for us and we'll we'll talk to the group and see what they want to do and we'll go from there. So, yeah. Thank you. >> Great. And thank you all for being here tonight and being willing to answer questions as well. We appreciate that. Um, next item of business this evening is other business and this will be a staff report regarding a business visit um that assistant administrator Larson did. >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll bring this closer. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, I conducted a 30 minute uh business visit at Spikes and Hooves uh with store manager Tanya uh KDson. Um, some of the key takeaways that I got from that, uh, the whole I idea of the the the visit was to get more of a, uh, connection with the community, uh, at large um, business community at large. Here, let me actually bring this up. everyone can see um to to get a better understanding what their needs are, what their obstacles uh they may be facing, any supply chain issues uh that they may have uh issues with their uh customer bases um and any barriers that that they are experiencing and where the city can really truly help. Um during my uh time with with uh Tanya, um we talked about staffing. Staffing is actually a really big issue with them right now. Um they are in the process of fully shifting over to full-time employees versus part-time employees because uh their retail schedule just doesn't allow for um effective uh part-time uh employment. um which is contrary to other retail facilities that you see out there um that are moving more towards part-time versus full-time. Um their uh customer base is actually very healthy. uh they support or they support Maple Plane, Independence, the surrounding communities uh that are really looking for um the aversion to big box stores uh and really want to shop local um and they are doing quite well there. um their foot traffic uh which is um something that they're really focused in on continues to grow year-over-year. Uh and the expansion of curbside pickup and then also Door Dash has really uh helped spur that foot foot trafficing and the transactions that occur. Um, in terms of development, uh, they're looking at redeveloping or re, um, redeveloping their green houses and then also redoing their, uh, parking lot. I don't know if you've looked at their parking lot. It's it's pretty uneven. Uh, yeah. So, they're looking at uh, re redoing that in 2027 or 2028 uh, depending on how things shake out this next year. Um, one of the things that they're wanting or looking for us for help is really understanding u the true process for the permitting process. Uh, Tanya was very um unsure of of the processes to take throughout the the whole entire step. So, that would be one area that she would definitely be looking for uh our assistance um when that time comes. But all in all, it was a great conversation that we had and I look forward to doing more of these types of visits. Uh I'm looking uh the next ones that I'm looking at doing is at Monies and then over at Haven Homes um as time goes on. And I'm looking to do at least one if not two per month to to continue this outreach. So that's all I've got. Thank you for that update. Any questions from Mr. Larson or comments? Hearing none then. Oh, I'm sorry, Commissioner Bick. >> I just want to point out something that I've learned over the time living here and shopping at Spikes and Hools. Um, they are part of the Girtton family. >> So, if you have a Girtton gift card, you can use it right there. >> Is that right? I didn't know. Yes, it's those Girtton gift cards are actually very valuable in this area. >> Good point. Thank you for sharing that. Any other questions or comments? Right. Hearing none with no other business come before us. One last >> question. I just want to make sure we play the old man, but I got to play it all the time. When I first got on, how many? Okay. And we were trying to bring in business, bring in business, bring in business. What was the answer? Why couldn't we bring in new businesses? Why couldn't we bring in the pharmacy? Why couldn't we keep this that we didn't have the unluckily is our pipe need have a community that's warm and loving and growing. At the same time, we have to understand that we're not going to get the businesses until we get people is a place to show up at Well said. >> Anybody else? >> All right. Looking for a motion to adjurnn. >> Moved by Henrik. >> Second. >> Second by Francis. All in favor? I >> I post same sign. The eyes have it. We are adjourned at 7:41.