there's still lights on out outside so we're good okay when that light goes off then maybe all right now we'll switch packets good to go we're good to go on the camera okay thank you welcome out of there all right everyone else good okay Jacob good evening and welcome welc to the maple plan city council meeting it is 7:04 and I call the meeting to order please stand and join us for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all uh with that I'm looking for a motion to adopt this evening's agenda I'll make that motion motion by council member Fay second second by council member Francis any further discussion hearing none all in favor of adopting the agenda as is please signify by saying I I I oppose same sign all right motion carries 5 to zero um first item business this evening on our agenda is visitors to be heard I do have one completed public comment form before us so so I'd like to invite forward uh Mrs Southerland to the podium and just remind you politely that you have 3 minutes and it is not a time for dialogue and if you would state your name and address we'd appreciate that I want to hand these out first I know some of you been to our Museum but give you reading material at midnight thank you my name is Judy southernland and I live on Main Street here in Maple plane um I want to tell you about our Maple Plane Museum which is up on our main street here um a little back history um it started out to be the maple plane post office in 1915 then we became a library from 1920 2 to 64 and then Marlo linol from the bank and a lot of the ladies restored the building pulled it out of storage and dedicated it in 1987 um after they all passed away it kind of sat there for a while in August of 2014 we were told we had 6 weeks to move our Museum because it was going to be developed well we came out of that meeting and we immediately I filed for a 501c3 to protect us to protect the building we've got stuff in there from 1850 it's in a lot of Independence I did go out and talk to Independents last week um they need to talk to Mark to find out what they legally can do so anyway I did tell them we'd like some help um we've done a lot to raise money um little as it is um we do memberships and we've got 40 45 members um I put together a cookbook from all the local ladies so we've got a neat cookbook we do engraving of bricks and we do a big brick and a medium brick um they do for memorials for the family or just hercula just did it with their hercul name and address and um last year we had a raffle so we raffled off a quilt this year because of all the ashb we're raffling off an Amber Maple bla Amber Blaze maple so we're raffling that off um we do the ice cream social and you know we do need help in raising money because it can't be moved we've had stubby tree or stubby building moving look at it and it's too fragile so it's got to be rebuilt so we're looking and it's not going to be this fall so if if you choose to earmark money this fall just some and maybe some next spring or whatever you can do I guess we're just asking for help because we're going to need money to rebuild and we're doing all we can right now so thank you very much there was there any no questions no okay thank you very much thank you Mrs Southerland you and to all of the museum committee for keeping our history together um having no other visitors to be heard before us the evening uh this evening excuse me we will continue on with our agenda first item on our agenda is our consent agenda this evening that includes our July 22nd uh business meeting our July 22nd Workshop meeting our July 22nd special meeting uh our August 12th Council workshop and our August 12th budget meeting I am looking for a motion to approve this evening's consent agenda I'll make that motion motion by council member Fay I'll second second by council member Buck any further discussion or questions hearing none all in favor of approving the consent agenda please signify by saying I I oppose same sign all right the motion carries um 5 to zero the consent agenda is approved all right we will move on to accounts payable if we could go to page 16 on the screen please that would be great um for everyone we will start too sorry we will um begin with our accounts payable this evening we will start with our city bills and I will turn that over um to staff thank you Madame mayor members of the council are uh City Check run for uh this council meeting uh total is $221,600 7 uh the city ACS are at $655 and33 um I will stand for any questions any questions for staff before I look for motions to approve these two branches we will do them separately all right then we will begin with the first one before us this evening looking for a motion to approve the city Bill's check batch $221,000 6447 I'll make that motion motion by council member Francis I'll second that motion second by council member Buck any further discussion or questions all in favor of approving the city Bill's check batch please signify by saying I I I I oppose same sign motion carries 5 to Z next before us is the a bills the check batch is $655 33 I am looking for a motion to approve those I'll make that motion by council member Fay I'll second that motion second by council member Buck any further discussion or questions hearing none all in favor of approving the AC check batch please signify by saying I I oppose same sign guys have it 5 to zero next item of business before us this evening is our staff reports we have written staff reports from all of our um departments and then with us tonight we have Administration and finance so does anyone have any questions for the fire department West tenpin Public Safety our planner our engineer our Public Works that we'd like our staff to take back all right no questions for our staff thank them for their reports please and their work uh with that let's go to Administration and finance and since we have both our administrator and finance here does anybody have questions for either of them or did either of you would either of you like to speak okay thank you Madame mayor members of the council um I just had a few uh notes in my report um election results from the state primary we had uh 9% voter turn out from our registered voters uh which was kind of expected uh we'll see a lot more for the general election uh we continue to work hard in the 2025 budget uh we just had our third uh budget draft meeting uh prior to this meeting um independent street is getting a lot closer to being done um I don't know after this rain if they're still going to be laying binus on Wednesday but that was the plan um National Night Out was a lot of fun um went out to that uh with uh Connie John and Julie I didn't see you I was out of out of time uh so it was a lot of fun getting to to meet the residents um so I really enjoyed that um we're making great strides in our record management project um the State Historical Society came and picked up uh seven boxes uh that included uh um Council minutes and ordinances and record books from 1901 uh death records birth records things like that uh so they'll categorize that and then have that available on their website um and uh shout out to assistant administrator Larsson uh handled the 2024 primary his very first election um and did a very very good job handling that um and and uh thanks to the election judges as well for their time and commitment um that's all that I have I'll turn it over to Julie to give us the the quarter 2 financial report yeah we can run through the second quarter report so thank you mayor and Council for having me here tonight to present the second quarter report um the report starts on I believe page 55 of your packet um so we are presenting here tonight the financial overview for the second quarter of 2024 through June 30th um as a reminder this information is all un audited there's been no audit opinion provided on these figures um we do do a highlevel analysis of the numbers the financial transactions for reasonableness um anything that looks out of line we review and provide explanations so you'll see those throughout the report as well um starting on page three of the report we have the cash and investment balances so here we're comparing your cash and investments from June 30th of 2024 to December 31st of 2023 um we do see a decrease in those cash and Investments of approximately $726,000 um that's reasonable and we'll get into some of those reasons in a few minutes um the second chart on this page gives the breakout between your checking and the various Investments that the city holds page four is a graph graphical representation of your cash and investment balances so you can see those Trends in cash and Investments um for the first six months of 2024 compared to the prior two years um just looking at those trend lines they are in line um cash for 2024 is lower um but the trends are following the next page is a summary of the treasury yields this is provided just for informational purposes um and if you ever have questions we can answer those related to that then we get into the general fund um with the general fund we review and provide analysis for any variances greater than $115,000 with a percentage of less than 80% or more than 120% so starting in the revenues looking at that taxes line um we are below where we would expect to be for 6 months for tax revenue and that's just based on timing of those property tax settlements so we get a advanced distribution in June but the remainder of the first half settlement comes in July licenses and permits that is above where we would expect it to be for six months of the year and that's just due to um adding a new Revenue source for rental permits in 2024 looking at the intergovernmental Revenue line um this is actually zero for the first six months of the year your local government Aid always comes in in July and December so we'll see that Revenue um starting in the third quarter and then in the expenditure section um we've identified two variances here and one of those being in the police Administration and that's just due to timing of those contract payments or um GPA payments with West hennipin and then the highway streets and roadways um this is under budget by about $19,000 and um that's just due to timing of various Street Maintenance projects so um you'll see that variants dissipate as the year goes on we also did note that the transfers out is above budget for 6 months of 2024 um we did the annual transfer in the second quarter so as we prep present the future quarter reports that variants will continue to dissipate um sometimes with our clients we do those entries right at the beginning of the year sometimes we do them at the end of the year sometimes we do an entry each month um in discussions with Jacob we just decided to do those entries here in the second quarter for the full year um page eight of this report is the cash balance is by fund so this is comparing the same quarter of 2023 cash balance the um 2023 ending cash balance to um the second quarter of 2024 so you can see kind of those cash Trends um we did identify a few funds here um with changes greater than 50,000 to look into a little bit further um the general fund that variance is mainly due to timing of those property tax settlements and we'll get into some additional or there were some additional analysis in the general fund discussion above um number two that's called out here is The 2024a Debt Service fund um and that is due to the new Bond so we um have funds starting in 2024 the capital Improvement projects fund so this is the fund we were discussing in the work session previously um we've got a cash balance at the end of June of just over 2.3 million and that is an increase from last year June and last year December um and that is due to those budgeted transfers so we transferred um that $110,000 into that fund already for this year the 2024 Street reconstruction fund um that has a negative cash balance and that's just due to timing of um transferring those funding so we've been paying out of that but we have not transferred funds in to cover those expenses and then we have the storm water fund so there's two number fives um you've got the storm water fund and the storm water CIP those do get combined for financial reporting so we look at those together um and that's just again due to timing of some of those budgeted transfers that we do in those funds the next page is more detail of your cash and Investments so it lists out each of your different bank accounts investment accounts so you can see um how they are operating from the beginning of the year through the end of June and then the next page gives you some graphical information related to that as well so um shows you the um maturity timelines of your Investments as well as a pie chart with the breakout of the percentage of each type of investment the next page we get into reviewing the fire fund so this is the three fire funds the fire partnership and then the capital funds related to that as well the first line item um that we analyze is the intergovernmental Revenue this is under where we would expect it to be budgeted for this point in the year and that's due to timing of the fire state aid similar to your local government Aid that starts coming in in the third quarter and then in the expenditure section salaries is under where we would expect it to be for half of the year and that's due to timing of the fire payroll so we do process fire payroll quarterly typically in the month following the quarter and then equipment that is over budget so we've got about $63,000 over budget there and that's due to the purchase of of a Polaris um Ranger of about $51,000 and then again those transfers in and transfers out so these are in fund transfers between that um 801 fund and the 802 fund we did those transfers already for the full year so um our variance is um twice the budget or half of the budget I should say we do also show um a graphical representation of the revenues year-over-year in this fund um so you can see the trends of the fire Revenue everything looks pretty much in line with the last two years and then moving on to the water fund the water fund we did identify all of these line items with variances um so starting with the charges for services we're under budget from where we should be or we're comparing to the prior year year to date so the same point last year so that's where we we flip with the Enterprise funds We compare year to year because um your water funds or or your Enterprise funds are more cyclical with heavier use of water in the summer months so we're below where we were last year at this point and that's due to um connect water connections additional connections last year resulting in an additional about $173,000 in Revenue special assessments um are above where they were at this point last year and that's due to um the tax settlement so a portion of that tax settlement that we did get in June included special assessments that um were applied to the water fund interest Revenue um that's never been um budgeted or coded to the water Fund in the past um so that's something that we've changed we are Distributing that interest Revenue to all of the applicable funds in 2024 and then misell Revenue um there were reimbursements for water man and water hydrant breaks in the first six months of this year that we did not have last year in the expenditures section we have operating expenses that are higher than they were last year at this point um that is because we are recording depreciation on a monthly basis where in the past it's been coded just at year end so as we approach year end you know at the end of the year you should be right in line and then The Debt Service um that is a variance because we are coding the debt Ser service payments properly to a balance sheet account in the Enterprise funds they're not an expense they offset the liability um looking at the graph at the bottom of this page your water Revenue um again for the first six months of the year is trending similarly to the two prior years and then looking at the sewer fund um we've noted special assessment Revenue here as being a variance from the prior year um there were not special Assessments in this Fund in the prior year in the first six months so that's a variance and then in the expenditure section Again The Debt Service we're coding those payments properly and then Capital We've Got U $43,000 in capital expenses and that is that depreciation line item in the sewer fund so looking at the gra graph of sewer Revenue um for the first 6 months of 2024 compared to the two prior years trending right on track in fact for the first three months they were very much overlapped and then moving on to the storm water fund um nothing to point out here in the revenues um there are some variances but again we um review any Varian is over $155,000 so in the expenditure section that Capital line item um that again is depreciation and then the transfers in and transfers out we have recorded this year um based on the budget and we um coded those for the entire year looking at storm water Revenue so this does include all revenues so you do see a big spike here in June and that is partially due to um those special assessment revenues as well as um the interest that was not coded here in the past and the remaining report is the detailed revenues and expenditures for all funds including those that we do summarize in the previous report and with that I will take any questions that you have right anyone have questions for Julie that though thank you you very much um for the detailed report and for the update no questions all right are these funds sitting in interest bearing um accounts do and does the interest show up just on the on on the revenue line yeah I think so yes so um this year um there are more Investments with um PMA or 4M the 4M fund um in money markets CDs a little bit in government securities and bonds so those do all earn interest on a monthly basis so but does the interest go back into the individual funds um I believe the interest in most of them just gets reinvested in the money market Market on a monthly basis so it will continue the interest gets reinvested and then we'll continue to earn interest um but we do record that as interest revenue and then we allocate it out to the applicable funds well with that then I am looking for a motion to receive all of tonight's staff reports letters a through F I'll make that MO motion motion by council member Francis second by council member DeLuca all in favor of accepting the staff reports um both in writing and received this evening signify by saying I I oppose same sign and thank you um to Julie and ABDO and Jesse and to Jacob and staff as well for the great work all right have a good night drive thank you thank you next we're going to move on to new business and tonight it is ex um extra exciting um our first item new business before us is the three verse Parks District master plan which does include a resolution and with that um is Stefan sherson and Stefan is a maple plane resident so we are thrilled to have you and I invite you to the podium um if you'd like to make your presentation please thank you madam mayor and council members a pleasure to be for you uh this evening um as you mentioned uh I'm a member of the plan commission here in Maple plane but tonight I'm I've got my three three Rivers's hat on um with some uh exciting plans to share with you and hopefully get your support um um I just is there a clicker or should I just uh point just scroll down SC okay very good thank you um there good uh excuse me if I look over my shoulder at the presentation on the screen here once in a while but um yeah before you is the uh in your packet is our long range plan we're calling them long range plans now because that's really what they are um kind of like you know your city comp plan it's a it's a long range view uh for and and vision for the park uh not only for um Recreation but also for natural resources um and so forth um the with Baker park um being a fairly established Park um and working pretty well uh the goal of this this long range plan was more uh to um to really build off of what we what was what's currently there and try to enhance it and make sure it's more relevant for for the future moving forward rather than sort of a reinvention of the park we're not looking to you know uh start from scratch here so to speak um a little bit on the park history um the uh the back of the early part of actually the uh 20th century uh there was a lot of resorts and kind of vacation spot along the whole Eastern Shoreline of Lake Independence um in fact uh uh uh Miss southernland who came talk about the the uh History Museum there actually was a bit of History where um there was like a li service from the depot uh in Maple plane that delivered passengers delivered vacationers if you will from the depot to the resorts uh along the lake it was probably before the highway or before there was much of a highway um and um in the in the in the 50s the uh the um the area on the east side of of the lake there was purchased by Morris T Baker um who uh subsequently uh donated the uh the resort area he bought the Maple Hill Farm Resort he donated it to the county under the stipulation that uh there'd be a county park reserve or County Park system uh developed part of that there was really wasn't any um so by 1958 that happened and Baker park was the very first uh county park at the time um and um and so Baker park has that honor of being the very first um very first Park um subsequently in the 60s there was a lot of Acquisitions to uh uh add to the park and now it's up to 3100 Acres approximately um and uh also the acquisition of the Medina public golf course added uh uh some significant acreage as well too um and um uh historically too we've done a lot of work with the natural resources uh this is a park reserve not a regional parks which means that um by our own policy and met Cil policy as well 80% of the land has to be preserved and managed in a natural state um and that's something that was uh guided our our uh our plan here too because we're already maxed out actually at the 20% develop so we can't expand into that Natural Area any further than what we uh currently are um but there's some interesting photos here that I included uh of back in the Heyday back in the 60s and 70s um the park really is kind of a Quin cenal park for us uh it's kind of offers something for for everyone um it uh you know has uh great open space for picnicking uh lak Shore Campground Trails winter Recreation and of course uh great uh natural areas as well um so in terms of of the plan the long range planning work it started quite a while ago actually uh uh that the uh back in 2018 to be to be exact um we had largely finished uh the draft plan by the time Co hit and Co put everything kind of on pause as we had Park District had other priorities and things were delayed quite a bit um we kind of re kicked it off again in 2022 um with um uh some more limited engagement just to kind of reaffirm some of the development um ideas that were that were presented um but back in 2018 we did quite extensive public engagement uh came to the maple plane um uh Party in the Park um back then and a number of other um uh targeted groups that we met with as well as uh the staff Maple plane staff at the time and what we heard is that people loved the park people have been coming there for generations and bringing their kids back to the park um people really had a high amount of satisfaction with uh you know with with the park and the maidens and so forth so they people kind of had a hard time coming up with new ideas uh to improve but U some of those highlights that we we did hear about were um bringing in more nature-based programming into the into the park uh into the campground in particular um uh there's improvements that I'll describe in the subsequent slides here to the uh Campground and the recreation area and um and some safety improvements uh some people wanted to see more U enhancement of some of the winter Recreation that we offer as well as uh expansion of sub additional programming and facilities at the baker Outdoor Learning Center um so to highlight some of those um Capital Improvements that are highlighted in the plan I'll start with kind of what I'll call more of the general um uh park at General larger Park area uh up at in the North End spurm Lake um we're looking at a adding a fishing pier um to that uh that area and also improvements to the parking lot including Paving the parking lot adding a a vault latrine as well too so uh really kind of bringing that area up to uh uh up to higher quality um at in the marsh View group Camp which is off of 24 uh we're looking at adding uh actually flush toilets we have some parking lot improvements there uh including some Eda improvements that are needed and also uh take a look at expansion of the parking lot off a 24 um we really found the last really since covid that a lot of people sort of discovered that little parking lot and enjoyed the uh the uh the trails that that Venture off from that location and the parking lot is often full perhaps you've seen some cars out in 24 at times during busy time especially in the fall um so we're looking at improvements there to that parking lot um I mentioned uh some additional um expansion of programming and facilities at The Outdoor laring Center um along the what we call the lake Katrina Loop the pave looped around in the southern part of the Southern half of the park uh we're looking at adding um shorter Trail Spurs or just little places to get off the main uh you know thorough Fair of the trail and have a have a bench maybe a interpretive sign a place to to sit and you know enjoy the view uh just have a rest um smaller having smaller Trail Loops too were mentioned um and um let's see here also um uh at the South and at can you see my cursor on the screen okay very good um the lake Independence Regional Trail which comes in from the Oro campus area on Old Orchard Bay Road or or Old Orchard Road um there's a section of it that goes on to welcome and starky drive where um it shares the trail really is on the on on the road itself and we're looking at um finishing that trail and getting a trail off the road so it's totally totally safe in that regard and also bypass that gate that's there um over on the on the Maple Plain side we're looking at some improvements to the parking lot uh at call the West trail head area that's where the uh Baker to Carver Regional Trail which would which is planned to go through Maple plane uh on Main Street that's where would enter into the park right there so we're looking at um when that happens um improving the trail system um just on the W just on the east side of uh Baker Park Road there's some uh steeper slopes there be looking at it possibly expanding the parking lot uh and and restroom improvements as there as well um so that'll be a nicer sort of more developed trail head for uh uh Maple plane residents um in the main Recreation Area um we're looking at adding a fishing pier at the North End just on the north side of uh of the current boat boat launch um adding a couple picnic shelters one that's reservable and one that's uh one that would be smaller and not reservable but associated with the play area so people could have a shelter next to the play area um at the in the campground area um is where a lot of the improvements are would be uh would be uh year marked for um we're looking at creating a a better uh or improved winter Recreation space in that location kind of a hub for additional winter Recreation like snowshoeing and fat biking where we could actually rent snowshoes and fat bikes there um adding winter camping uh where we would add uh up to five additional camper cabins the camper cabins have been really successful and the whole camper has been very successful but the camp the the camper cabins especially so um and so we would add five additional cabins and winterize them so they could be used for winter winter camping as well um and then um there's a we be looking at some improvements to the entrance and exit area of the campground so right right near the uh the office area there's a lot of congestion especially at the end of the weekend with large larger campers exiting excuse me um having to turn left into the the uh the dump station the water station uh Crossing traffic as as traffic is coming in so we're looking at a reconfiguration of that space uh as well as electrical improvements in the campsites uh adding more uh uh more sites with electricity and actually looking at including Wi-Fi if that's feasible adding a nature play Space uh we've heard that that a lot of the campers I mean they love the play area that's there um but for young kids that are with families in the campground um uh that's still kind of a trek for them especially if the parents are doing something in the camp um to have a a smaller play area in the middle of the campground uh is something that uh would be very helpful for those families so we're looking at a more of a nature play Space there um and also bringing in more nature-based programming so bringing in uh naturalists from The Outdoor Learning Center in and doing more programming in the in the campground space um and then lastly I would just mention the uh the The Underpass the tunnel here Crossing Highway 19 um looking at exploring some improved safety there there's been some issues with congestion there um people coming from different directions it's you know there's a steeper slope so bikes are coming at a higher rate of speed looking at improving the safety there in in in in some way um um so that's those are the main highlights um the um where we're at currently in the process here we've did we've completed our 30-day public comment period um that was back in July we didn't really have any major changes as a result of that but we have uh added um some language regarding uh actually expansion of the park uh where there's opportunities on a Wheeling seller basis uh in order to um add uh some natural resource protection if there's some uh Parcels that have higher value natural resources um or if there's an opportunity to um add some small Trails now one thing that I mentioned before is that there was an interest in smaller loops and small rather than a uh six milei long Loop having some smaller Trails um but given the uh I mentioned the 8020 develop versus uh natural versus developed policy that we have we can't really expand into the park so by adding additional land we have an opportunity to uh provide some of those things that were requested or talked about from our engagement um uh and do it in a uh area that's that's expanded uh from the current boundaries um so tonight before you we've got a resolution we're looking for uh your support in the form of the resolu resolution um that we uh be doing this with the other adjacent cities as well too those get incorporated into our submitt to the Met Council which we hope to do uh later this fall and if that's all approved by the Met Council it comes back to our board for kind of the final adoption and then the plan is complet complete and approved so I I could answer any questions you may have um and uh thank you for your consideration of the resolution yeah uh thank you Mr sherson that was quite the detailed plan I think it was about 150 pages that I know we I'm assuming we all read and prepared so we just appreciate the work and the thought that went into that um any specific questions for Mr sherson funding is it a combination of the county and the Met Council um yeah it's it's operating budget um the fees that we collect it's uh State bonds uh for the larger uh especially Trail related projects we we we solicit for federal funds as well uh but a lot most of our money comes from the med Cil and and uh which is State money um for these types of improvements we have operating budget uh these these these uh uh proposals here would have a fairly minimal impact on our operating budget so we're not looking at any kind of increase in fees or anything like that for things that we do charge for but most of the improvements um are through met console and by having them in the plan um then they're eligible uh we can you know go back to met counil and say this is part of our plan and uh and uh we can solicit money from the meton well you you finished your talk on land acquisition and I read that there was a proposed $7 million land acquisition of 35 acres to add to the park is that where's that money coming uh let me clarify that um the 78 million actually uh was if we have several there's like 13 Parcels mainly along Highway 6 um that are in Holdings that's technically part of the park but um uh we would be purchasing those when the sellers want to sell um and the funding for that uh is a different pot of money from the med conso okay right um and they provide uh I think it's 75% actually of of the funding so they help us out a lot and then the 25% comes from uh comes from free Rivers the other um addition that was mentioned in here was kind of a late edition and uh that's the price for that parcel that was mentioned is was not uh it was not included in the 7.8 million um it's still kind of speculatory at this point Thank you other questions for Mr Sharon all right hearing none then I am looking for a motion of support for resolution number 24-8 26-1 a resolution of support for the Baker park reserve long range plan so move move by council member DeLuca second second by council member Fai any further discussion or questions hearing none all in favor of supporting the resolution please signify by saying I I I I oppose same sign the motion carries 5 to zero thank thank you all very much thank you all right next item of new business before sueding is our employee handbook and I'm going to turn that over to our administrator thank you Madame mayor members of the council um the Personnel committee uh met several times to uh basically go Page by page of the employe handbook to make updates uh as well as the City attorney who um made updates as far as what Law changes there were that affect employees and and labor um I have uh kind of gone section through Section uh in my summary of those changes um also included a summary from the attorney um on the changes that we made um and we are recommending uh approval of this handbook I'll stand for any questions great and there are two versions of the handbook in the packet and then any questions um for staff you you clarified hours on full-time part-time and uh I I read the part-time employee classification and I'm a little confused because even though you stipulate that part-time employees are not eligible for benefit I was under the impression that at 31 or 32 hours in a given week you are automatically entitled to benefit P are you looking at council member of the packet that would be 336 uh middle of page part-time employees employees performing regular but limited duties for the city continually for more than 6 months and less then we changed it from 32 to 40 hours per week on average are considered part-time such employees are not eligible for City benefits or leave considerations except for the new uh sick and safe sick and safe um but I for some reason I just keep thinking that that the state looks at it differently you can claim part-time employment but the minute you go over a 31 or 32 hours per week you are automatically eligible and have to pay benefits am I correct or is that correct uh thank you council member Fay uh this is actually correct the city determines um the eligibility point of which an employee is eligible for benefits I think you're referring to and I'm going to I'm going to refer to council member duuk on this because I know he's mentioned it before and I can't uh quite remember but it was was the Department of Labor Standard of some kind of hours I mean we have to exclude the S consideration from this discussion because you are eligible for the F benefit and that's where the state intervened with the new state law but that's accounted for here excuse me okay I and I'll just make mention too you know the City attorney did review this uh and approved it as as you see it today so I would think if that was not the case that he would have mentioned that but okay the the being on Council for eight years and the institutional memory that goes along with that I remember there was a situation where we asked an employee to go from 20 hours a week to 32 2 hours a week and we were mandated to pay benefits because we made that error if we would have said 20 hours a week to 30 hours a week I'm just throwing numbers out here we wouldn't have broached that Benchmark but we did at a weekly hourly which was I believe 31 or 32 hours and saying we're going to classify you as part-time but you're going to work this many hours if you Broach a particular hourly point in a week I just want to confirm please confirm I'm I'll take it either way but I will approve this based on are you talking ACA by chance AC Jacob I I'm I have to look that up because I don't know the top head I'm talking medical medical benefits health benefits etc etc I'm not talking the the sick and safe time um that is man that already is mandated by the state I'm talking we had a part-time employee yeah you were here I recall the situation Mr Del was here yes and then at that point we had said well hold on if we're paying health medical and dental benefits then you're not going to work 32 hours a week you're going to work 40 hours a week Kicking and Screaming but we then we went to 40 hours per week so I don't know if we I just want to make sure that by putting it in the manual that that the state or the federal government or whoever is responsible for it isn't going to override and supersede what we put on paper because this is for employees with only 50 or more though Jacob