[0:03] I think initiating conversation early on [0:07] but not just leaving it at that. Asking [0:10] what their experience is with [0:12] breastfeeding, what what do they know [0:14] about it? What does that look like [0:15] within your family? Um [0:18] some families that don't have that [0:20] experience or don't have that support. [0:22] How can I right? What what are your [0:25] goals? How can we achieve that goal? [0:27] What feels good to you? what feels right [0:29] to you. I think also um being informed [0:32] of patients if they have a history of [0:34] trauma. Um making sure that there's [0:36] enough support there or options um so [0:41] that mom's able to if that's her goal to [0:43] breastfeed. [0:45] Building trust. The expert is the person [0:47] you're speaking with. It's always the [0:48] person you're speaking with. So asking [0:50] lots of questions. [0:52] um getting an understanding of who are [0:54] their support people, whether it be [0:56] family, friends, um are they getting [0:59] their information from Tik Tok, you [1:01] know, social media. Um [1:06] we know that historically there has been [1:09] some trauma that has been done to [1:12] eliminate breastfeeding. And so [1:15] educating people and getting that back [1:17] to be the narrative is what's important. [1:20] um you don't know where somebody comes [1:23] from or if they've had experience and so [1:26] asking lots of questions is where you're [1:28] going to get your information. [1:29] >> Well, I'll say I have two advice to give [1:32] to everyone or have a provider that is [1:35] in connections or interactions with [1:39] women [1:40] especially women of color [1:43] about lactation or breastfeeding. And [1:46] the first one is understanding the [1:47] cultural norms. I think that's very [1:50] important because we have diverse set of [1:52] people diverse belief diverse culture [1:57] you know people have a thousand one [2:02] belief system of why they can do this [2:05] and not and I believe that providers you [2:08] know support groups healthcare whatever [2:12] that can if they can understand the [2:15] cultural at least to some extent of What [2:19] is involved in different cultures in [2:22] relating to lactation, relating to [2:25] breastfeeding would really help in [2:28] establishing connections and trust with [2:31] the mothers. Not putting my expectations [2:34] on what breastfeeding is like, but you [2:37] know what is it for you? Is [2:39] breastfeeding breastfeeding all the time [2:40] exclusively? [2:42] Maybe not. For some people in any amount [2:45] of breastfeeding is considered [2:46] breastfeeding. Maybe they're only [2:48] pumping because they feel uncomfortable [2:49] about it. And it's not my place to tell [2:51] them what is truly breastfeeding. And I [2:54] think that that is an error I constantly [2:55] see with some people who really advocate [2:58] for breastfeeding. They're like, "Oh, [3:00] this is everything and that's all you [3:01] got to do." And there's nothing in [3:03] between. And if you're pumping or if [3:05] you're um bottlefeeding some formula and [3:08] breastfeeding, that's not really truly [3:10] breastfeeding. So really stepping away [3:13] from who you are and really believing [3:16] that the people that you're serving know [3:19] who they are and listen with an open [3:22] mind and not put your own expectations [3:24] on other people.