[0:11] >> Good afternoon. I call to order the April 22nd, 2025, [0:16] regular meeting of the Minneapolis heritage preservation commission. For the record my name is Kelly Mastin and I serve as [0:22] vice-chair of the commission. Just a reminder to silence your [0:28] smart phones and speak clearly into the microphone when speaking at the dias or into the [0:33] microphone giving testimony. Would the clerk please call the roll so that we may [0:40] verify the presentatice of a qu. [0:48] (Roll call.) [1:07] >> There are 8 members present. Let the record reflect that we do have quorum and that [1:12] Chair Bjornberg and Commissioner [1:20] Karato' absence is excused. Our first order of business is to adopt the agenda for this meeting. We will work [1:25] from the agendas that are available by the clerk. I will go through the agenda and sort out which items will be [1:33] discussed and which items would be put on the consent agenda to be approved as recommended by staff and without further [1:40] discussion. Item No. 4 is addresses at the Glendale townhouse historic [1:45] district ward 2 which has been continued from the April 8th, 2025 meeting. This application is for a [1:51] local designation. Item No. 4 will be discussed. Item No. 5 [1:56] is for 275 market street and 810 [2:01] Glenwood avenue ward 5. This application is for a certificate of appropriateness in. . [2:09] Item No. 5 will be on the consent agenda unless someone wants to speak in on that [2:15] decision to or modify the staff recommendation. Item No. Is 88 17th street [2:20] northward 7. This application is for -- [2:29] (Inaudible.) >> Opposition to or modify the staff recommendation? This is [2:35] the proposed agenda. The consent items will include Item No. 5, 275 market [2:43] street, 810 Glenwood Avenue South -- or avenue ward 5 and Item No. 6, 8 17th street [2:51] northward 7 and Item No. No. 4 will be continued for discussion. Is there any on that [2:57] decision from commissioners to the staff recommendations for these items? [3:04] Is there anyone in the public who wishes to speak in on that decision to these items? [3:10] Hearing no on that decision I'm placing these items on consent. We will approve these consent items in one motion at the start [3:15] of the meeting. The following item will have staff presentation, public comment and commission [3:21] discussion and action. Item No. 4 is addresses at glen daily historic district ward 2 [3:26] which has been continued from the April 8th, 2025 meeting. [3:36] May have a motion to approve agenda. >> Herr moves. >> Thank you Commissioner Herr hair. Is there a second. [3:42] Wallace second. >> Thank you Commissioner Wallace. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. [3:49] >> Aye. >> Those opposed say nay. Any [3:56] abstentions? The agenda is approved. Our next order of business [4:01] will be to approve the minutes from our April 8th, 2025 meeting. May I have a motion to approve those minutes? [4:12] >> Mellblom moves approval. >> Thank you Commissioner Mellblom. Do I have a second. >> Wallace seconds. [4:18] >> Thank you Commissioner Wallace. Any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say [4:25] aye. >> Aye. >> Those opposed say nay. Any abstentions including [4:31] any commissioners who are ability? -- absent. >> Herr abstains. >> Thank you, Commissioner Herr [4:38] hair. The minutes are approved. [4:44] Let me summarize the process for conducting the public hearing. First we will act on the consent [4:50] agenda we just said. Once items on the consent agenda are approved -- I'm sorry. [4:56] (Laugh.) >> I'm just a little nervous. The commission is done one of those items. Applicants may [5:01] contact the planning staff tomorrow about next steps. After the consent agenda [5:07] items are approved, we will take each remaining agenda item in order, planning staff will [5:12] present its report to commissioners and commissioners may ask questions of staff. Then I will open the public [5:18] hearing and we will hear from the applicant and commissioners may ask questions of the applicant. After that, we will invite [5:25] public comment. If you wish to speak, we need you to do two things. One, [5:30] please be sure to sign up on the sheet over by the clerk. If you haven't done this already you can do so afterwards. [5:37] When you come up to testify, you must state your name and address for the record. Please keep your comments [5:43] specific to the application before us today. If you have materials to hand out, please give them to [5:48] our committee clerk so that they can be distributed to the commission and entered into the record. Do not approach the [5:55] commander -- the commissioners on the dais. [6:02] And I will complete the hearing and commissioners will act on applications before us. [6:07] So let's move on to the consent agenda. I will now open the public hearing for consent agenda items. Again they are [6:14] Item No. 5, 275 market street and 810 Glenwood avenue ward 5 [6:20] and Item No. 6, 8817th street light northward 7. Do we have [6:30] any commissioners opposed to the staff recommendations? Are there any members of the public who oppose the staff [6:37] recommendations for these items? Seeing none, I will now close the public hearing on the [6:43] consent items. May I have a motion to approve the staff findings and recommendations for [6:49] these items? >> Alexander moves. >> Thank you, Commissioner Alexander. Is there a second. [6:56] >> Mellblom seconds. >> Thank you, Commissioner Mellblom. Any discussion? [7:03] Seeing none, all in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Those opposed say nay. Any [7:12] abstentions? These items are approved as recommended by staff on the [7:18] agenda. Applicants may contact planning staff about next steps. So we'll now move on to [7:25] Item No. 4 which was addresses at glen Glen historic district ward 2 which has been continued [7:31] from the April 8th, 2025 [7:36] meeting. This application is for local designation. The staff report was presented by Mr. Skalecki at the April 8th [7:42] meeting. And I will now continue the public hearing for this item. I understand the [7:50] applicant -- Council Member Wonsley is here and would like to speak. Please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record. [7:59] >> Thank you all, commissioners for having me today. I am [8:05] Commissioner Robin Wonsley I represent ward 2. I currently am -- I believe I have a [8:10] protective clause on my address due to a bomb threat a few years ago so I will not be sharing [8:17] that address but that said, I do have a few comments to share with you all so first, members [8:23] of the commission, again, thank you for having me. Once again, [8:28] I represent ward 2 on the Minneapolis city council which includes prospect park where [8:41] Glendale town homes is located and I nominated Glendale town homes for historic designation last year and I'm grateful for the opportunity to come before you again today to offer some [8:46] brief comments and to ask you once again, to recommend Glendale town homes for historic [8:53] designation. You've heard from many residents from Glendale about [8:58] why they believe that Glendale meets the criteria for historic [9:05] designation and I want to uplift these lived experiences from the decades of residents who have called Glendale home. Dozens of [9:10] current and past Glendale residents, neighbors and individuals from all across the [9:17] city have submitted public comment underscoring the cultural and historic value of [9:24] Glendale as the city's oldest Section 9 public housing as the city's only town homestyle style [9:31] public housing and as-style public housing and as and who [9:37] has a unique access over the [9:42] years and you've heard from many earmarks affirming that Glendale [9:48] meets the criteria for a designation. Now, the narrow tiby the Minneapolis public housing [9:54] authority that the application for historic designation is based in racism specifically by [10:01] prospect park residents is not only just completely false but most importantly it's not [10:07] relevant to the matter that is before you all today which is whether or not Glendale meets [10:12] the criteria for historic designation, which it clearly does. The claim that historic [10:18] designation is somehow motivated by racism is also inconsistent with the fact that historic [10:24] designation is a tool that historically has been used to protect and preserve properties [10:30] that are associated with wealth and whiteness and a quick review of the map of historic landmarks [10:38] in districts in the city immediately shows that there are mostly concentrated downtown and [10:45] in southwest Minneapolis and it's no coincidence that the historic status of these [10:51] landmarks overlaps with the wealthiest and whitiest areas but we also know that those [10:57] areas aren't the only areas with landmarks that actually meet the [11:02] historic designation criteria and Glen Glen is a perfect example of that. And uplifting the [11:08] significance of landmarks in districts with histories that [11:14] explicitly relate to working class and low income residents, residents of color and public housing residents is part of how [11:20] we move towards historic designation being a more equitable tool that preserves [11:26] all of our history, which is even more important in our national landscape where we have [11:32] a federal administration that is openly removing and erasing the stories and physical [11:38] representations of black and brown communities and their respective histories. [11:45] So on that note I want to uplift the prospective that Commissioner Mellblom shared at [11:52] the HBC meeting last year how he approached this vote and planned to vote in on that decision [11:58] believing the alterations that have been made to Glendale specifically the buildings would [12:03] had disqualified them from historic designation but through engagement with the cultural and [12:10] social history of Glendale as well as leaning into the questions around bias and [12:16] historic preservation, he arrives at the p of supporting [12:23] preservation. If Commissioner Mellblom ended his vote with the comment saying once these buildings are gone, [12:30] even in their compromised state, we will never have the historic [12:36] memorial to a set of ideas that was put forth by mayor Humphrey to help the people who are LESS [12:46] BECOME STRONGER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO I'LL CONCLUDE WITH SAYING THAT THE HPC AND 2021 [12:54] FOUND THAT GLENDALE TOWN HOMES MET THE CRITERIA OF HISTORIC [12:59] DESIGNATION, AND SO DID THIS BODY IN THE FALL OF 2024. SO IT'S WITH THIS SPIRIT THAT I [13:05] URGE YOU ALL TO CONTINUE YOUR [13:13] RECOMMENDATION IN SUPPORT OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR GLENDALE TOWN HOMES TODAY. AND ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME TO SHARE SOME COMMENTS WITH YOU. [13:18] >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? [13:31] I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY SO YOU THINK YOU CAN RETURN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I'M A LITTLE TOO EARLY. [13:38] (LAUGH.) >> OKAY. SO WE'LL NOW CONTINUE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WHICH BEGAN AT THE APRIL 8TH MEETING. [13:43] IF YOU SPOKE ON APRIL 8TH, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING AGAIN. I WILL ASK AGAIN THAT WE [13:51] LIMIT COMMENTS TO 2 MINUTES AND THAT YOUR COMMENTS SHOULD BE TO PROVIDE NEW INFORMATION. [13:57] DO WE HAVE AN INTERPRETER? [14:06] OKAY. I KNOW ONE HAS -- [14:14] APOLOGIES, CHAIR. I'VE BEEN CONTACT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY RELATIONS WHO WE REQUESTED AN INTERPRETER THROUGH [14:20] BUT THERE SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN A MISCOMMUNICATION SO WE HAVE NOT PERSONALLY BEEN CONTACTED BY THEM, BUT IF THEY'RE HERE WE'D [14:27] LOVE TO TALK TO THEM. >> SO IF YOU ARE USING AN INTERPRETER, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES TO SPEAK. [14:34] AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH ANYONE WHO SIGNED UP ON APRIL 8TH BUT WAS UNABLE TO [14:39] SPEAK DURING THE TIME LIMITS DURING THAT DAY AND AFTER THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TODAY. SO I'M GOING [14:45] TO START WITH THAT LIST. IS UMI [14:53] HERE? SHE ALREADY SPOKE? OKAY. IS EDWARD BARBER HERE? [15:05] SHALE JAMA. OKAY. SO [15:12] PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE [15:21] RECORD. >> THANK YOU ALL OF YOU MY NAME AND I'M FROM THE DELAWARE AREA [15:30] IN MINNEAPOLIS. >> YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT. >> HE'S FROM GLENDALE, 128TH AND [15:38] DELAWARE AND HIS NAME IS JAMA. [15:49] >> THANK YOU ALL. WE ARE AFRAID OF BEING DISPLACED. WE DON'T WANT TO BE DISPLACED. WE ARE [15:57] LOW-INCOME PEOPLE. THEY HAVE NO [16:05] PLANS FOR US TO GO WHERE WE'RE GOING. THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS PROVEN OR DOCUMENTED AND WE HAVE [16:12] NO IDEA WHERE THEY WANT TO TAKE [16:23] US. WE ALSO -- THEY ALSO WANT TO CHANGE EVERYTHING AND TRY TO [16:29] INCREASE OUR RENTS, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M AFRAID OF ALSO. WHEN [16:34] THEY WANT TO CHANGE EVERYTHING. [16:45] WE HAVE EVERYTHING. WE HAVE THE SCHOOLS, WE HAVE THE HOSPITALS. EVERYTHING IS NEAR US AND WE CANNOT MOVE ANYWHERE [16:51] FAR, FAR AWAY. [17:11] WE DON'T WANT THE HISTORY OF GLENDALE TO BE BASICALLY [17:20] ERASED. I LIVED IN ENGLAND FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. THEY CAN FIX [17:26] INSIDE REPAIRS TO THE HOMES WHILE WE ARE IN THE HOMES. [17:40] WE ARE -- WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP AND WE ARE ALSO ASK OF YOU TO SUPPORT US. WE [17:45] THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. [17:55] IS SAMIRA ABDI HERE? [18:06] PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> OKAY, HI MY NAME IS SAMIRA [18:13] ABDI. CURRENTLY I'M LIVING IN THE CENTRAL AVENUE LOFTS ON 24TH [18:18] AND CENTRAL. OKAY. LET ME GET STARTED. [18:25] (LAUGH.) >> GIVE ME A SEC. OKAY. SO MY NAME IS [18:30] SAMIRA, AND I'M A FORMER RESIDENT OF GLENDALE. I STILL VISIT 'CAUSE MY FRIENDS AND [18:36] FAMILY LIVE THERE SO I'M STILL VERY MUCH A RIGHT PAST THE [18:41] COMMUNITY BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY WAS -- SORRY. I'M VERY GRATEFUL I GOT TO GROW UP IN [18:48] GLENDALE BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE EXPERIENCES THAT I HAD, YOU KNOW, CULTURE NOT JUST SOMALI [18:55] CULTURE BUT LIKE -- IT WAS A MULTICULTURAL COMMUNITY SO I GOT TO EXPERIENCE OTHER CULTURES [19:02] AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD CULTURAL EVENTS AND I GOT TO BE A PART OF THAT AND MAKE FRIENDS WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY [19:11] SO I THINK TO ME WHAT I REMEMBER THE MOST IS THE [19:16] COMMUNITY AND THE CULTURAL EVENTS AND THAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT PASSIONATE OF GLENDALE TO ME WAS THE CULTURAL HISTORY [19:23] AND THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO BE PRESERVED IF WE GET HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THANK YOU. [19:30] >> THANK YOU. IS NATASHA REEVES [19:39] HERE? PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR [19:47] THE RECORD. >> HELLO. MY NAME NATASHA REEVES. [19:53] AND I AM A PROUD RESIDENT AT THE GLENDALES. I'M ON THE SUDDEN [19:59] BURY SIDE. THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AND POSITIVE CHANGE FOR MY DAUGHTER AND ME. [20:04] WE MOVED FROM ST. PAUL TO MINNEAPOLIS, NOT TOO LONG AGO. [20:09] I HAVEN'T BEEN BORN IN CHICAGO AND RAISED IN ST. PAUL, HUSBAND [20:15] AND OPPORTUNITY THAT I AM GRATEFUL FOR. GLENDALE HAS BEEN A [20:22] CRITICAL STEPPING-STONE FOR ME MY BIGGEST DREAM IS TO BE A [20:27] HOMEOWNER. I WOULD BE THE FIRST HOMEOWNER GENERATIONAL LINE ALL [20:33] THE WAY DOWN. WHILE WORKING IN GLENDALE PROVIDES SECURITY THAT [20:39] I VALUE. MY DAUGHTER CAN SAFELY PLAY IN THE OPEN PLAYGROUND AND WE BOTH BENEFIT FROM THE [20:45] CONNECTION WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THE RECREATION CENTER. THIS KIND OF ENVIRONMENT I AM GRATEFUL TO PROVIDE TO HER. [20:53] THAT'S WHY I AM COMMITTED TO SHAPING GLENDALE FOR THE FUTURE [20:58] FAMILIES. I WANT FUTURE GENERATIONS TO EXPERIENCE THIS SAME SENSE OF BELONGING AND OPPORTUNITY. [21:04] WHILE CHANGE CAN BE [21:10] UNSETTLING, SCARY AND AS MANY OF US FEEL SCARED, WHICH I'M [21:16] UNDERSTANDING THAT MY NEIGHBORS ARE VERY SCARED OF THIS HUGE CHANGE, I WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND: I AM STILL FACING [21:24] THE FEVER CHANGE THAT I'M LIVING IN TODAY. I WON'T EVEN CHANGE MY RESIDENTIAL ID BECAUSE I'M SCARED TO BE A MINNESOTA [21:30] RESIDENT OR A MINNEAPOLIS RESIDENT, I'M SORRY. IT'S SCARY [21:35] BUT GLENDALE DESERVES THIS. GLENDALE DESERVES ALL THE NEW CHANGES THAT I SEE AROUND THEM. [21:43] I FEEL THAT THE EXAMPLES [21:48] OF SUCCESSFUL REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND SEEING THE HAPPY ENDINGS SEEING FAMILIES COME [21:54] BACK TO THEIR HOMES I FEEL THAT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR TOMORROW SO I DO VOTE NO. THANK [22:02] YOU. >> THANK YOU, AND I DO HAVE AN UPDATE. WE DO HAVE THE TRANSLATION SERVICES AVAILABLE. [22:08] THERE ARE TWO TRANSLATORS ONE WILL BE IN THE ADJOINING ROOM TO [22:13] PROVIDE, I THINK, ENGLISH TO SOMALI AND THERE WILL BE ALSO A TRANSLATOR AVAILABLE AT THE PODIUM IF NECESSARY. SO THAT'S [22:20] THAT STATUS. THANK YOU, NATASHA FOR [22:27] YOUR COMMENTS. IS ABDUL-MALIK HASAN HERE? PLEASE STEP FORWARD [22:34] AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [22:42] >> TESTING. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ABDUL MALIK [22:48] HASAN I'M REPRESENTING MY MOM COMING FROM SAINT MARY AVENUE MY MOM LIVED IN GLENDALE FOR THE [22:54] PAST 5 YEARS AND RECENTLY MY MOM WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CIAT CAME AND [23:01] SINCE -- SCIATICA AND SINCE THE NEW YEAR SHE HAS SUFFERED NERVE [23:07] PINCHING TWICE AND WASN'T ABLE TO MOVE UNTIL WE TOOK HER TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. [23:12] SHE THEN STAYED WITH MY SISTER UNTIL SHE FELT BETTER BECAUSE HER APARTMENT HAD [23:18] ELEVATOR. MY MOM WISHES TO STAY AND CONTINUE TO LIVE IN GLENDALE FOR [23:25] THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THE [23:30] REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESIDE WITHOUT SUFFERING TO GO UP AND DOWN TO [23:36] YOUR BEDROOM AND DO BASIC THINGS WITHOUT -- WITHOUT NEEDING HELP. THE CHANCE TO HAVE YOUR [23:44] BEDROOM, LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN AND ALL -- AND ALL OF THEM IN THE SAME LEVEL IS A RELIEF FOR [23:50] HER AND OTHERS LIKE HER. SHE WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT [23:57] FLOODING BASEMENT, RUINING THINGS EVERY TIME IT RAINS HEAVY. A SOUNDPROOF WALL SO SHE [24:03] DOESN'T HAVE TO HEAR HER NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY'RE WALKING UP THEIR STAIRS OR COMING DOWN FROM THEIR STAIRS. [24:10] SCANTILY HEARING LOUD CONSTRUCTION NOISE, ROAD NOISE, CARS THAT HAVE BEEPING PROBLEMS. [24:20] DESIGNATING GLENDALE AS A HISTORICAL SITE DOES NOT BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY HISTORY AND CULTURE ARE CARRIED BY THE PEOPLE NOT THE PLACE. POLICIES [24:28] AND -- POLICIES TO PRESERVE THOSE HISTORIES AND CULTURES SHOULD BENEFIT THE PEOPLE OF [24:34] THAT CULTURE. NOT A PLACE THAT IS TURNED INTO A MUSEUM FOR [24:39] TOURISTS TO VISIT. SHE WANTS TO -- WHAT SHE [24:45] WANTS -- WHAT SHE WANTS TO ASK FOR IS A PROTECTION TO BE PLACED [24:50] SO THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT DISPLACED OR PRIVATION OF THE [24:55] RENT THAT MIGHT INCREASE. MPHA DURING THE LAST HEARING DID [25:00] PROMISE THOSE IN FRONT OF EVERYONE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW I'M [25:08] GOING TO MOVE ON TO PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP TODAY. KIYANA VANG. [25:16] PLEASE STATED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD -- PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS KEIS ANA VANG AND [25:24] I'M ON THE POLICY AND STRATEGIC INITIATIVES TEAM AT MPHA AND OUR [25:30] DEPARTMENT HAS HELPED CO-LEAD GLENDALE ORGANIZING OVER THE LAST YEAR. SINCE LAST YEAR MPHA ABOUT [25:41] THEIR HOMES AND WHAT THEY WOULD PRIORITIZE. THESE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN WELL ATTENDED AND HAVE [25:51] GENE GENERATED ROBUST COMMENTS. OUR LAST MEETING HAS BEEN 75 PEOPLE. [25:57] THEY SHARED AND DISCUSSED THE RESIDENT FAQ THAT ACCOMPANIED YOUR MATERIALS TODAY CLARIFYING [26:02] THE MANY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE HEARD. THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN TRANSLATED IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SOMALI. IT IS IN [26:09] THESE MEETINGS THESE RESIDENTS OF IDENTIFIED THEIR 11 PRIORITIES AS A PART OF ANY RENOVATION OR REDEVELOPMENT. [26:14] IT IS IN THESE MEETINGS THAT AGENCY STAFF HAVE PRESENTED INNOVATION AND REPROACHES FOR [26:20] RESIDENTS TO CONSIDER ALONG WITH EXTENSIVE FEEDBACK SESSIONS. MPHA HAS ALSO DETAILED [26:26] RESIDENT COMMITMENTS AND PROTECTIONS THAT WOULD ACCOMPANY ANY LARGE-SCALE CONSTRUCTION [26:32] PROJECT. I SAY ALL THIS TO SAY MPHA IS CENTERING RESIDENT VOICES AND EXPERIENCES IN CONVERSATIONS [26:37] ABOUT THE FUTURE OF GLENDALE. HOWEVER, A HISTORIC DESIGNATION THREATENS MPHA'S ABILITY TO [26:44] IMPEDE THE VISION OF BRINGING GLENDALE'S 600 RESIDENTS TO LIFE. FAILING TO DESIGNATE [26:52] HOMES THAT DO NOT MEET THE NEEDS OF FAMILIES, AND LARGER ITEMS [26:58] THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE GREATEST NUMBER OF PRIORITIES, AND IT WOULD STOP MPHA FROM TAKING MORE PEOPLE OFF ITS WAITING LIST THAT [27:04] CURRENTLY RUNS NEARLY 4,300 FAMILIES LONG. GLEN RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT [27:10] THIS. THIS COMMUNITY WANTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTROL ITS DESTINY, TO MEET THE ASPIRATIONS [27:15] OF CURRENT AND FUTURE GLENDALE FAMILIES SO ON BEHALF OF GLENDALE FAMILIES PLEASE OPPOSE THIS DESIGNATION AND LET [27:22] RESIDENTS SHAPE THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY LOVE. [27:28] >> THANK YOU, IS RASHEED ISAAC [27:37] HERE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS [27:42] RASHEED. AND I HAVE WORKED WITH MPHA FOR THE LAST 21 YEARS. FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS, I'VE SERVED AS [27:51] MPHA'S DIRECTOR OF PROPERTY OPERATIONS IN MY CURRENT ROLE I OVERRELEASE THE OPERATIONS OF [27:57] MPHA'S NEARLY 800 SCATTERED SITE FAMILY UNITS. THIS PORTFOLIO [28:06] SERVES OVER 3,000 RESIDENTS HALF OF WHOM ARE CHILDREN. IN 2020 MPHA CONVERTED THESE HOMES FROM [28:11] SECTION 9 PUBLIC HOUSING TO THE SECTION 8 HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER [28:17] PLATFORM. BY DOING THIS, MPHA MORE THAN DOUBLED THE FEDERAL SUBSIDY [28:22] FOR OWNING AND OPERATING THE SAME UNITS SERVING THE SAME [28:27] FAMILIES. ADDITIONALLY, RESIDENTS RENT REMAIN 30% OF THEIR INCOME. [28:33] THIS HOUSING IS A PROVEN ECONOMIC MOBILITY TOO LIKE NO [28:38] OTHER. FOR THE CURRENT HEADS OF HOUSEHOLDS IN HOMES 27% WHEN [28:45] THEY ENTERED THEIR MPHA HOME. ON AVERAGE THESE RESIDENTS EARNED $26,000 A YEAR. [28:51] TODAY, 55% OF THE SAME RESIDENTS ARE EMPLOYED EARNING [28:56] AN AVERAGE OF $43,000 A YEAR. AND FAMILIES DON'T STAY IN [29:02] THESE UNITS FOREVER. THE AVERAGE FAMILY STAYS FOR 6 YEARS BEFORE MOVING ON TO OTHER [29:09] HOUSING, AND BETTER YET, SINCE 2020, NEARLY 10% OF THE FAMILIES WHO MOVED OUT OF THESE HOMES [29:15] PURCHASED THEIR OWN HOMES. THE FACT IS THERE ARE FEW THINGS AS LIFE-ALTERING AS THE [29:23] STABLIZING FORCE OF MPHAS FAMILY HOUSING. AND GLENDALE PROVIDES MPHA [29:30] THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD MORE INCREDIBLE RESOURCE FOR THE MORE THAN 4,000 FAMILIES ON THE [29:36] AGENCY'S WAIT-LIST SO WHEN WE SAY GENERATIONAL INVESTMENT, WITH THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO WE [29:41] HAVE WE MEAN THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES IN COMING DECADES WITH [29:47] NEW FAMILY HOUSING AT GLENDALE. SO I PLEASE ENCOURAGE YOU TO SAY NO TO THIS APPLICATION. TO [29:54] PRESERVE GLENDALE FOR THE FAMILIES LIVE THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. [29:59] I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT TO HAVE AN INTERPRETER SPEAK TO THE GROUP. [30:31] (PAUSE.) >> MY APOLOGY, I'M ONE OF THE TWO SOMALI INTERPRETERS THAT ARE [30:40] ASSIGNED TO THIS MEETING TO INTERPRET FOR THE SOMALI SPEAKERS. SO I WILL BE IN THE [30:49] BACK ROOM INTERPRETING FOR THOSE SO I DON'T HAVE TO WHISPER TO THEM AND DISTURB -- BECOME [30:54] NUISANCE TO OTHERS SITTING BY ME. I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE MORE PRACTICAL. IF THAT'S OKAY [30:59] WITH YOU, THAT'S WHAT I PLAN ON DOING. >> I THINK THAT SOUNDS GREAT. DO YOU WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY IN [31:05] SOMALI THAT YOU'LL BE DOING [31:38] THAT. (PAUSE.) >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT NAME I HAVE IS [31:44] TAMIKA BASKIN. PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [31:49] >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS TAMIKA BASKIN I'M AN EMPLOYEE OF MPHA. [31:54] I AM THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF LOW INCOME PUBLIC HOUSING OPERATIONS WITH [31:59] MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY AND I'M HERE TO SHARE A STATEMENT FROM ONE OF MY TEAM [32:04] MEMBERS MARE IMPROPER VAIN WHOSE FAMILY EMIGRATED TO THE UNITED STATES IN THE EARLY '80s [32:10] AND LANDED IN MPHA PUBLIC HOUSING FROM THE FAMILY HOUSING. SO, UNFORTUNATELY, SHE COULDN'T [32:16] BE HERE SO I'LL BE READING A STATEMENT ON HER BEHALF. MY PARENTS ARRIVED IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE EARLY IN AN [32:22] 80s AS REFUGEES FROM LAOS ESCAPING THE VIETNAM WAR. ABOUT MY PARENTS FIRST [32:27] ARRIVED TO THE U.S. THEY WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET INTO ANSWERING MPHA FAMILY HOME PROVIDING OUR FAMILY WITH SAFE [32:36] STABLE ROOFS OVER OUR HEADS. IT WAS CRITICAL FOR MY FAMILY BECAUSE IT PROVIDED US STABILITY [32:41] WITHIN OUR NEW COMMUNITY PUBLIC HOUSING MADE MY FAMILY FEEL SECURE. KNOWING THERE WAS GOING TO BE A ROOF OVER OUR HEADS ALLOWED [32:48] MY PARENTS TO WORK HARD, SAVE MONEY AND ACHIEVE THE AMERICAN DREAM OF BUYING THEIR OWN HOUSE [32:53] AFTER A FEW YEARS. FAST FORWARD TO TODAY, AND I STAND ON THEIR SHOULDERS AS [33:00] SERVING AS A REGIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER WITHIN MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITIES [33:05] OPERATIONS TEAM. I'M THE FIRST HMONG AMERICAN TO HOLD THIS ROLE AT [33:11] MPHA. MY FAMILY'S STORY IS ONE OF RESILIENCE, HARD WORK AND SUCCESS AND IT ALL STARTED WITH [33:17] MPHA FAMILY HOUSING FOUR DECADES AGO. PLEASE GIVE THE 4,000 [33:24] FAMILIES A MPHA FAMILY HOUSING WAIT-LIST THE SAME OPPORTUNITY MINE HAD TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES. [33:29] VOTE TO GLA CHANCE FOR GLEN [33:35] RESIDENTS AND VOTE AGAINST GRANTING DESIGNATING HISTORIC. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. [33:40] >> THANK YOU. OKAY. DREW [33:48] PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> HEY THERE. MY NAME IS DREW. 1211 FOURTH STREET NORTHEAST. I [33:56] AM THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS AND STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS AT MPHA. I WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE [34:02] BIT OF TIME RECOUNTING WHAT WE HEARD TODAY AND WHAT WE ALSO DID NOT HEAR IN EITHER OF THOSE [34:08] MEETINGS. DURING THE APRIL 8TH MEETING WE LEARNED CPED DENIED HISTORIC PRESERVATION WE LEARNED [34:16] SHIPPO DOES NOT HAVE DESIGNATION WE HEARD QUITE A BIT FROM RESIDENTS WE HEARD HOW IMPORTANT THEIR HOME IS AND HOW MUCH THEY [34:21] LOVE THEIR COMMUNITIES. WE'VE HEARD THAT MPHA MAKES THEM FEEL SAFE, IT MAKES THEM FEEL SEEN [34:27] AND CARED FOR AND WE ALSO HEARD VERY REAL FEAR OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF A RESIDENT WAS [34:32] DISPLACED OR IF THEY LOST THEIR HOME. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT FEAR HAS BEEN STOKED BY INDIVIDUALS [34:38] SEEKING TO STOKE CONFUSION AND MISTRUST IN A VULNERABLE POPULATION. AND WE ALSO HEARD FROM NEIGHBORS. WE HEARD FROM [34:44] NEIGHBORS WHO SUPPORT IMPOSING THESE RESTRICTIONS ON THIS COMMUNITY SAYING IT'LL BE GOOD [34:50] FOR THEM. COMMISSIONERS, I THINK IT'S ALSO THAT WE'RE HONEST WITH OURSELVES, IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE [34:55] HONEST WITH OURSELVES WHAT WE DID NOT HEAR IN THESE TWO MEETINGS HOW HISTORIC DESIGNATION WOULD PRESERVE [35:00] SECTION 9 FUNDING BECAUSE IT DOES NOT. HOW HISTORIC DESIGNATION WOULD PRESERVE THESE RESIDENTS' HOMES BECAUSE IT DOES [35:06] NUMBER 4. HOW HISTORIC DESIGNATION WOULD IMPROVE ACCESSIBILITY FOR [35:11] DISABLED AND ELDERLY RESIDENTS? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT. HOW HISTORIC DESIGNATION WOULD HELP THE MORE THAN 4,000 [35:17] FAMILIES ON MPHA'S FAMILY HOUSING WAIT-LIST GET INTO A HOME? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT. [35:22] AND HOW HISTORIC DESIGNATION WOULD HELP MPHA ADDRESS A $22 MILLION CAPITAL [35:29] BACKLOG OR THESE HOMES. COMMISSIONERS R-COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT. YOU HEARD [35:34] FROM A GENTLEMAN EARLIER TODAY. HISTORIES AND CULTURES ARE CARRIED BY THE PEOPLE IS NOT THE [35:41] PLACE. MPHA STRONGLY AGREES WITH THAT WE HAVE FROM THE I DON'T KNOW SET OF THIS BUT THE HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS TODAY [35:47] LOCKS THESE RESIDENTS IN THESE 70-YEAR-OLD HOMES FOR NO RODEVELOPMENT. I ASK YOU PLEASE [35:55] TO DENY AND GIVE THE RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHAPE THEIR FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. CORA McCARVEY. [36:04] PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE [36:10] RECORD. >> IT'S McKORFY. CORA McKORFY AND GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU [36:15] FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK HERE TODAY. I SERVED AS MPHA'S EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND CHIEF [36:23] EXECUTIVE OFFICER FOR 27 YEARS. I RETIRED IN 2017. I'M HERE TO [36:28] AFFIRM PROSPECT PARK ASSOCIATION HAS OPPOSED MPHA INVESTING IN [36:34] GLENDALE SINCE DAY ONE. WHEN WE STARTED CONVERSATIONS ABOUT REDEVELOPING GLENDALE, MORE THAN [36:39] A DECADE AGO, I ATTENDED A SERIES OF MEETINGS IN PROSPECT [36:44] PARK IN THOSE MEETINGS I WAS MET WITH VITRIOL AND ANGER I WAS BERATED BY ATTENDEES OPPOSED TO [36:52] MPHA IMPROVING GLENDALE. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS CONTINUES [36:57] PROSPECT PARK ASSOCIATION CENTURY-OLD LEGACY OF OPPOSING BLACK FAMILIES. [37:02] COMMISSIONERS, LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO THE JACKSONS. AMY AND MADISON JACKSON MOVED [37:10] INTO FROSS SPECK PARK IN 1908. THE FIRST BLACK FAMILY TO MOVE INTO THE ALL-WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD. [37:15] IN 1909, PROSPECT PARK ASSOCIATION ORGANIZED 125 [37:21] NEIGHBORS AND MARCHED ON THE JACKSON'S HOME URGING THEM TO LEAVE. THE TRIBUNE CAPTURED [37:27] THIS EVENT WITH THE HEADLINE: RACE WARS STARTED IN PROSPECT [37:33] PARK. MARVEL JACKSON, THE ELDEST DAUGHTER RECOUNTED PROSPECT PARK [37:38] ASSOCIATION GOT TOGETHER AND THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT A BLACK FAMILY IN THEIR COMMUNITY IT'S BELIEVED THAT THIS EVENT [37:45] INSPIRED RACIAL COVENANTS BEING USED IN MINNEAPOLIS WITH THE FIRST COVENANT APPEARING A YEAR [37:51] LATER. THE JACKSON FAMILY ENDURED UNTIL 1927 WHEN THEY SOLD THEIR HOME AND MOVED SOON [37:58] AFTER MR. JACKSON DIED. PROSPECT PARK REMAINED AN ALL-WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL [38:04] 1960. COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF REPEATING HISTORY. [38:09] DESIGNATING GLENDALE HISTORIC WILL LOCK 600 LOW INCOME RESIDENTS, 89% OF WHOM ARE BLACK [38:16] AND 70-PLUS-YEAR-OLD HOMES AND PREVENT MPHA FROM MAKING A [38:21] GENERATIONAL INVESTMENT. IT WILL ALSO STOP NEW BLACK FAMILIES LIKE THE JACKSONS FROM [38:27] MOVING INTO PROSPECT PARK IN THE NEXT CENTURY. DO NOT CODIFY [38:32] PROSPECT PARK ASSOCIATIONS SHAMEFUL LEGACY. VOTE TO DENY THE APPLICATION TO DESIGNATE [38:38] GLENDALE HISTORIC. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. [38:44] SHALE? OKAY. YOU'VE ALREADY GONE. BEN SANDVIG? [39:01] LAYLA? PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND [39:08] STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [39:20] >> HI MY NAME IS LAYLA AND I LIVE FROM SAINT MARYS AVENUE. [39:26] I'M 16 YEARS OLD. I'VE LIVED IN GLENDALE FOR ALMOST ALL MY LIFE. [39:32] GLENDALE IS A COMMUNITY THAT HAS PROVIDED MY FAMILY WITH OPPORTUNITIES AND SPACE TO CALL [39:42] HOME. I BELIEVE GLENDALE SHOULD GET A HISTORIC DESIGNATION [39:47] BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS SAFE. EVERYONE CAN STEP OUTSIDE THEIR HOMES FREELY. THERE'S NO [39:55] DANGEROUS ROADS. EVERYONE CAN PLAY. EVERYONE CAN GO OUTSIDE [40:03] FREELY AND EVERYONE JUST LOVES BEING AROUND EACH OTHER. GLENDALE HAS AN EXHIBIT [40:09] ONCE EVERY YEAR OR TWO THAT TEACHES PEOPLE SO MUCH THINGS [40:15] ABOUT GLENDALE'S HISTORY AND THE CULTURES. GLENDALE EXHIBIT HAS TAUGHT ME SO MUCH. THE HISTORY [40:21] OF GLENDALE IN THE ACTIVE YOUTH LEADERS FOR ALMOST 5 DECADES AGO -- I AM PROUD TO BE A PART [40:27] OF THE HISTORY ALONG WITH THE DIVERSE COMMUNITY THAT PROTECT EACH OTHER, UNITING SIDE-BY-SIDE [40:33] TO PROTECT THEIR LOVED HOMES. WE WOULD ALL APPRECIATE IF [40:39] YOU SAY YES FOR TOWN HOMES, FOR GLENDALE TOWN HOMES HISTORIC [40:46] DESIGNATION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. SAYED ALLI? MALIK [41:05] ABDIAZEZ. >> UH-HUH. >> PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> HELLO RECOGNIZE TO MEET YOU. [41:12] I LIVE AT 76 WILLIAMS AVE SE. I HAVE LIVED AT PROSPECT PARK FOR [41:18] ABOUT 16 YEARS. I'M 19 FOR THE RECORD SO FOR PRACTICALLY MY ENTIRE LIFE. [41:24] AND I'VE SEEN THE COMMUNITY HERE. I'VE SEEN -- I'VE GROWN UP HERE. I'VE SEEN MY NEIGHBORS. I'VE SEEN MY [41:31] FAMILY AND I SAW THE FEAR ON THEIR FACES A DECADE AGO WHEN THESE TOWN HOMES WERE ALMOST [41:39] DEMOLISHED BY MPHA. AND THERE IS A LARGE WORRY [41:45] THAT THIS IS HAPPENING AGAIN AND WITH THE MOST CONFUSING THINGS THAT -- WELL, I'VE BEEN WORKING [41:50] AS A VOLUNTEER. TO TRY AND COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT EXACTLY THEY THINK, [41:56] AND ONE OF THE MOST CONFUSING THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD IS THE IDEA THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION, [42:01] WHAT PREVENTS THE INTERIOR RENOVATION OF THE HOMES. I BELIEVE THIS IS JUST COMPLETELY [42:08] WRONG. IN VERY SIMILAR TOWN HOMES SUCH AS GRISWOLD HEIGHTS AND [42:13] CORLISS PARK IN OTHER STATES, TOWN HOMES THAT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE OURS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE, [42:21] THEIR HOUSING COMMITTEE OR ASSOCIATION WERE ABLE TO RENOVATE THESE HOMES WHILE THE [42:26] PEOPLE LIVED IN THERE WITHOUT AFFECTING THE FOUNDATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT THERE'S NO [42:32] REASON THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TAP IN HERE. WE ALL WANT INTERIOR [42:39] RENOVATIONS THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR IN THE PAST 10 YEARS AND WHAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING. I HEARD PEOPLE WITH MOLD [42:44] ALL OVER THEIR HOUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN GETTING FIXED. SINKS ARE [42:50] BREAKING OFF, MY SINK IN THE BASEMENT HAS BEEN BROKEN. I CALLED THREE TIMES AND NOT [42:55] GETTING FIXED. THE IDEA THAT THESE RENOVATIONS ARE COMING AND THE ONLY REASON IS BECAUSE OF [43:01] THIS. THAT IS JUST WRONG THEY HAVEN'T BEEN COMING FOR THE PAST DECADE AND THEY AREN'T GOING TO [43:07] COME IF HISTORIC RENOVATION IS OPPOSED. I VERY STRONGLY HOPE THAT [43:14] YOU APPROVE OF THIS MOVEMENT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. [43:20] ABDUL-MALIK HASAN? AND YOU ALREADY -- OKAY. NOAH TILLMAN? PLEASE STEP [43:30] FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [43:37] >> GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING. I'M NOAH TILLMAN. I LIVE ON THE 2800 BLOCK OF [43:42] DELAWARE STREET, SE. I'M A RESIDENT OF GLENDALE. I'M ALSO AN EMPLOYEE OF MPHA. [43:50] I LIKE GLENDALE FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS I'M FROM THE BRONX NEW YORK SO I'M USED [43:56] KIND OF LIVING ON TOP OF PEOPLE AND GLENDALE IS LIKE ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES AND I'VE LIVED IN MINNEAPOLIS SINCE 1996. IT'S [44:03] THE FIRST TIME THAT I FELT SOMEPLACE LIKE LEAVING MY SON OUTSIDE WITHOUT ME HAVING TO WATCH HIM, AND I FEEL SAFE DOING [44:12] THAT. I TRUST THE COMMUNITY I WORK FOR MPHA AND I WAS ALSO -- I WORK THE PART OF THE FAMILY [44:19] HOUSING RESOURCES PROJECT WITH THE NEW 16 UNITS THAT THEY CONSTRUCTED AND I WORK VERY CLOSELY IN MANAGING THAT AND I [44:25] SAW HOW, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS PEOPLE AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE GET A CHANCE TO MOVE INTO UPGRADED UNITS AND FEEL, YOU KNOW, A [44:31] DIFFERENT SENSE OF BEING ALIVE TO A UNIT AND NOT BEING ABLE FORCED LIVING LIKE A SLUMLORD [44:38] SITUATION. SO I THINK IF Y'ALL SAY YES TO THIS AND KEEP IT HISTORIC, MPHA WON'T HAVE THE [44:45] OPPORTUNITY TO UPGRADE THE HOUSES AND GIVE THE TENANTS AND THE RESIDENTS WHAT THEY NEED AS [44:50] FAR AS, LIKE, FUTURE FAMILIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO MOVE FORWARD AND I THINK THAT [44:56] GLENDALE IS A SUPER GOOD COMMUNITY AS FAR AS, LIKE -- I DON'T DO TOO MUCH WITH THE RACISM STUFF BUT I KNOW THAT [45:02] IT'S A REAL, REAL GOOD COMMUNITY AS FAR AS LIKE WHOLESOME PEOPLE AND DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES AND [45:11] CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS AND EVERYBODY KIND OF GETS TOGETHER AND MAKES SURE ALL THE KIDS ARE SAFE AND I WILL THAT ABOUT THAT [45:17] COMMUNITY I SUGGEST THAT Y'ALL VOTE NO. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT. [45:22] I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MPHA DO THE JOB THAT THEY HAVE PLANNED FOR THE COMMUNITY AND UPGRADE [45:27] PEOPLE'S HOMES SO THAT THEY CAN EXPERIENCE A BETTER CHANCE AT [45:32] LIFE LIKE EVERYBODY WANTS AND THAT'S MY TAKE-AWAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. [45:40] CAM GORDON? [45:54] >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LETTING ME SPEAK HERE. MY NAME IS CAM [45:59] GORDON I LIVE AT 914 FLINK [46:05] TERRACE AND IF YOU STAPH REPORT YOU MAY NOTICED MY NAME IS ON [46:10] THERE AND I SERVED ON THE CITY COUNCIL AS I NOMINATED GLENDALE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION PREVIOUSLY. [46:16] THERE WAS A LOT LEFT OUT IN THAT REPORT ABOUT THAT TIME SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. I'LL JUST TELL YOU A [46:22] LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY STORY. I WAS RESISTANT TO NOMINATE [46:27] GLENDALE HISTORIC -- AS A HISTORIC DESIGNATION ORIGINALLY. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT. I [46:32] TRIED TO WORK OUT TO THE MPHA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND SEE IF THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD ANY [46:39] CONCERNS. THEY DID. HE THIS DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANY RESEARCH. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO FIND OUT [46:45] ANYTHING JUST LIKE THEY SAID IN THEIR PRESENTATION LAST TIME THEY OPPOSED IT FROM THE GET-GO. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT [46:53] THE MPHA OWN A VERY VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE RIGHT THERE BY THE UNIVERSITY [46:58] OF MINNESOTA AND BY THE LIGHT RAIL AND I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN AND I THINK THERE'S LOTS [47:04] OF INTEREST AND WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN THERE AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TOO BUT I SAID IF IT [47:09] ACTUALLY MEETS THE LEGAL CRITERIA I WILL MOVE FORWARD AND I'D BE WILLING TO UNEMPLOYMENT ON THE CONDITION THAT IF IT DOESN'T MEET ANY OF THE CRITERIA [47:16] FCC BE LEGALLY DESIGNATED I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND PUSHING FORWARD. I TRIED TO TAKE IT WITH AN [47:24] OPEN MIND LIKE YOU I WASN'T AN EXPERT IN THE DESIGNATION BUT I [47:30] WANT TO BE WITH EXPERTS TO WEIGH IN AND THEY DID AND THEY SAID IT WAS TWO CRITERIA THAT IT MELT NEITHER OF THE TWO CRITERIA HAS [47:36] NOTHING TO DO WITH REN VIOLATING THE BUILDINGS EVEN ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE SOCIAL AND YOU ARE THE [47:42] COMAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HISTORY OF IT. I WOULD SUGGEST THE SOCIAL AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE DOES POINT TO A PERSON EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T [47:48] MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE PERSON BUT IT IT'S HUPPERT H. HUMPHREY AND THE WHOLE MOVEMENT AFTER THE [47:53] WAR AND THE WHOLE HOUSING AND ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED THERE AND THE OTHER CRITERIA THAT [47:59] IT MEETS THAT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO AGREE EVEN THE CITY STAFF [48:07] DENYING APPROVAL -- I GUESS I HAVE TO BE DONE. (LAUGH.) >> DARN! I'M JUST GETTING [48:14] START. >> THANK YOU, CAM. >> IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL BE AROUND. >> I SEE A SAMIRA ALLY -- IS [48:21] THIS THE SAME -- NEW ONE. >> WE HAVE VERY SIMILAR NAMES. MY NAME IS SAMIRA I LIVE IN [48:28] NORTH MINNEAPOLIS 950 OLIVER NORTH. I LIVE -- I'M A GRADUATE STUDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY [48:33] OF MINNESOTA WORKING WITH MY COMMUNITY PARTNER TO DEFEND GLENDALE PUBLIC HOUSING COALITION. I WILL USE MY TIME TODAY TO HIGHLIGHT THE VALUE AND [48:39] DESIGNATING GLENDALE AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK. IN AUGUST 2024 THE MINNESOTA STATE PRESERVATION [48:45] OFFICE STATED IT BELIEVES A COMPELLING ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE FOR UNEMPLOYMENTING GLENDALE TO THE NATIONAL [48:50] REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AND RECOGNIZES SEVERAL PROGRAMS [48:57] UNDER EDGE BELT. I BELIEVE GLENDALE IS ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING [49:03] IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER NATIONALLY OY 3% OF NATIONAL REGISTER LISTINGS ARE CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN [49:08] HISTORY AND THIS IS LESS VISIBLE IN MINNESOTA WHERE 1% LISTINGS IS CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT TO BLACK HISTORY. GLENDALE OFFERS [49:14] A RARE OPPORTUNITY TO DOCUMENT AND HONOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF BIPOC AND WORKING CLASS RESIDENTS TO THE HISTORY OF [49:20] MINNEAPOLIS AND THE STATE THE MINNESOTA. IN 2022, GLENDALE RESIDENTS UNCOVERED SEVERAL [49:25] ARKIAL MATERIALS HOUSED AT THE HENNEPIN COUNTY LIBRARY THROUGH ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEWS AND [49:31] ARCHIVAL RESEARCH AND RESIDENTS DISCOVERED COMMUNITY ORGANIZING AND ADVOCACY OF THE RESIDENTS. EXAMPLES INCLUDE RESIDENT [49:36] ADVOCACY FOR TENANT REPRESENTATION ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY'S BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TO THE LAUNCH OF THE LITTLE CO-OP STORE WHICH IS [49:43] A TENANT-OWNED FOOD COOPERATIVE. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THE WAY GLENDALE STANDS [49:50] TESTAMENT TO THE CREATIVITY INGENUITY AND CARE TO PUBLIC RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE MINNEAPOLIS WORKING CLASS HISTORY. PUBLIC [49:56] HOUSING RESIDENTS HAVE PARTICIPATED AND CONTINUE TO SHAPE THE POLITICAL AND SOCIAL HISTORY OF MINNEAPOLIS. MINNESOTA HISTORY IS INCOMPLETE [50:02] WITHOUT THE INCLUSION AND PRESERVATION OF THEIR STORIES AS WELL AS THEIR HOMES. I HOPE THAT THE MPHA WHPC [50:09] WILL ARE CAN THE RICH EFFORT OF THE COMMUNITY AND DESIGNATE [50:15] GLENDALE AS A HISTORIC AREA. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THAT COMPLETED MY LIST. ARE [50:22] THERE ANY OTHERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE [50:27] THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS LET'S DISCUSS. [50:35] DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED APPLICATION? COMMISSIONER [50:41] MELLBLOM. >> I'LL JUMP IN, THANK YOU. [50:46] VICE-CHAIR. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROPER TERM IS. SO I MADE THE -- I MADE THE [50:53] MOTION AT OUR LAST MEETING AND I DID CHANGE MY OPINION HEARING [50:59] THE TESTIMONY LAST TIME AND I FEEL SIMILARLY THIS TIME THAT [51:06] NOTHING HAS -- NOTHING PRESENTED HAS CHANGED MY OPINION THAT WE [51:13] SHOULD DESIGNATE -- WE SHOULD DESIGNATE THIS SITE AS HISTORIC. [51:22] THE DOCUMENT THAT MR. SKALECKI PROVIDED WAS A [51:30] REALLY NICE ANALYSIS OF THIS BUT IT DID FIND THAT BASED ON CRITERIAS 1 AND 5, THAT THE -- [51:39] THAT THE BUILDING DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE RECOGNIZED. [51:44] WHAT I THINK IS RELEVANT AND KNEW TO ME, AT LEAST NEW [51:50] RELATED IS A LOT OF -- A LOT OF THE PUSH-BACK TO DESIGNATING THE [51:56] GLENDALE COMMUNITY AS HISTORIC HAS BEEN BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SUBSTANTIAL ALTERATIONS TOWARD [52:02] BUILDING OVER TIME AND I THINK WE'D ALL RECOGNIZE THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THAT DOESN'T ERASE [52:08] THE SOCIAL AND CULTURAL HISTORY. THIS WAS THE LOCATION OF THE [52:14] FIRST HEAD START. THE SITE RETAINS ITS LANDSCAPE AND [52:21] VOLUMETRIC INTEGRITY. IT STILL RETAINS ITS STATUS AS A HISTORY [52:27] OF WORKING CLASS HOUSING AND THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO TRYING TO [52:34] HOUSES THE UNDERCLASSES OF OUR CITY. I WOULD GO ALONG AND ADD [52:41] TO THAT, THAT -- TO FURTHER -- I'D LIKE TO SAY DIMINISH THE [52:48] FOCUS ONLY THE ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY OF THE HOMES. TO SAY THAT WHEN WE DESIGNATED THE [52:56] PRINCE ROGERS NELSON HOME BACK ABOUT -- I THINK IT WAS 4 OR 5 [53:02] MONTHS AGO, THERE WAS THE FINDINGS IN THERE WHICH WE ACCEPTED AT THE TIME UNANIMOUSLY [53:08] IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT THE HOUSE HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY [53:13] CHANGED. THAT THAT HOUSE HAS HAD STONE ADDED TO THE FRONT. [53:19] IT HAS HAD A GARAGE ADDED TO IT AND OTHER CHANGES OVER TIME. [53:25] YET, THIS BODY FELT THAT THOSE ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES DID NOT [53:31] NEGATE THE SOCIAL IORTANCE OF THE PRINCE ROGERS NELSON CHILDHOOD HOME AND I WOULD MAKE [53:36] THE SAME ARGUMENT HERE IS THAT THE CHANGES TO THESE BUILDINGS DO NOT ERASE THE HISTORICAL [53:43] SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS BEING THE REMAINING AND OLDEST AFFORDABLE [53:49] HOUSING PROJECT IN THE CITY -- IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. [53:54] WHEN I READ THROUGH THE -- THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION [54:00] OPINION FROM THE SHIPPO FOLKS IT TALKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE TO THE ALTERATIONS TO [54:06] THE BUILDING. THEY SAY I QUOTE WE CONCUR THAT THE GLENDALE TOWNHOUSE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS [54:12] HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT STIMULUS PLAN EARLY EXAMPLE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR VETERANS AND LOW INCOME RESIDENTS CONSTRUCTED IN [54:17] RESPONSE TO THE HOUSING SHORTAGE FOLLOWING WORLD WAR II. HOWEVER, DUE TO THE MAGNITUDE OF [54:23] THE ALTERATIONS TO THE BUILDING IN 1972, IN 1989 THE HISTORIC [54:29] INTEGRITY HAS BEEN IRREVERSIBLY COMPROMISED. I FULLY AGREE BUT [54:35] I THINK TO DESIGNATE HISTORIC SITES ONLY ON THE ARCHITECTURAL [54:42] INTEGRITY IS IGNORING THE MANY OTHER COMPONENTS THAT MAKE OUR [54:48] CITY RICH AND WONDERFUL. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE -- WITH THE [54:58] PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONVENTIONS -- OR DEPARTMENTS RECOMMENDATION THAT [55:05] WE NOT RECOGNIZE THIS AS HISTORICALLY RELEVANT DISTRICT. [55:12] >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ? >> SURE. I'LL ADD ON TO THAT. [55:19] I THINK WE'RE TAKING TOO NARROW OF A VIEW TO SAY THAT THE [55:24] ONLY KIND OF PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE AS IT WERE IS 1950s. ONLY POST-WAR KIND OF [55:29] VETERANS COMING IN. GOING TO THE UNIVERSITY, LIVING IN THESE HOUSES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT [55:35] REALLY STRUCK ME IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS STAFF REPORTS WAS KIND OF THE MENTION OF HOW THE [55:43] RESIDENTS KIND OF PUSHED TO BECOME MEMBERS OF THE HOUSING [55:49] REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY BOARD. THAT HAPPENED IN 1968 AND THEN IN 1972, THAT BOARD PLAYED A BIG [55:56] ROLE IN THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO SOME OF THE FABRIC OF THE BUILDING, THE ROOFS, I THINK, WERE MENTIONED IN THE [56:01] LAST MEETING. AND SO I FEEL, LIKE, [56:07] THAT'S A REALLY COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THIS SOCIAL AND CULTURAL HISTORY. [56:13] THAT WAS CHANGING IN THIS PERIOD AND THAT -- THAT OBVIOUSLY [56:18] DOESN'T ENCOMPASS ALL THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE THAT'S THE HIP ROOFS VERSUS THE FLAT [56:26] ROOFS. MODIFICATIONS WERE MADE TO THE BUILDING TO ME I FEEL LIKE THAT'S AN ARGUMENT FOR [56:32] SIGNIFICANCE AND FOR INTEGRITY UP TO THAT PERIOD OF SOME OF THE [56:38] CHANGED. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER [56:45] WALLACE THOMAS. >> THANKS, CHAIR. IT IS THOMAS. (LAUGH.) >> OR WALLACE. [56:53] I CAME PREPARED SO I JUST GOING TO READ WHAT I CAME PREPARED WITH. THE GLENDALE [56:58] TOWN HOMES HOLD DEEP CULTURAL HISTORICAL VALUE AND WHY I [57:04] BELIEVE THIS NOMINATION GLENDALE WAS THE MINNEAPOLIS'S FIRST PUBLIC HOUSING BUILT IN RESPONSE [57:09] TO THE POST-WORLD WAR II HOUSING CRISIS IT WAS MORE THAN JUST BUILDINGS IT WAS A PUBLIC DECLARATION THAT HOUSING SHOULD [57:14] BE FOR EVERYONE AND NOT JUST FOR THE WEALTHY. THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THIS NOMINATION IS [57:20] SUPPORTIVE UNDER CRITERION 1 FOR THE STRONG ASSOCIATION WITH BROAD PATTERNS OF SOCIAL AND POLITICAL HISTORY. GLENDALE [57:26] MARKED A MAJOR SHIFT IN HOW OUR CITY ADDRESSED HOUSING ACCESS AND IT CONTINUES TO REFLECT THAT [57:32] LEGACY. I ALSO WHAT BELIEVE IT MEETS CRITERION 5 'CAUSE IT'S A DEFINING PART OF THE PROSPECT [57:38] PARK'S NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY THAT LAYOUT WITH THE SHARED GREEN SPACES AND THAT THOUGHTFUL [57:47] LAN MIKES MAKES A VIABLE THAT MAKES IT A NEIGHBORHOOD WHETHER IT WAS INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED OR NOT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME [57:52] QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I DO STILL BELIEVE IT REFLECTS A DISTINCT MODEL OF INTEGRATION AND [57:57] COMMUNITY-BUILDING. AND WHILE SOME MAY QUESTION GLENDALE'S ELIGIBILITY [58:03] UNDER CRITERION 4 I'LL ECHO WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED. I ACTUALLY BELIEVE [58:08] IT STILL QUALIFIES BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES WITH THE ROOFS AND WINDOWS AND SIDINGS. BUT THOSE TELL A STORY, COMPELLING [58:14] STORY OVER TIME, AND THE OVERALL FORM PASSING LOOKOUT BETWEEN [58:20] BUILDINGS REMAINS INTACT IN PRESERVATION THE STANDARD ISN'T PERFECTION. IT'S WHETHER THE [58:26] PLACE RETAINS THE PHYSICAL FEATURES THAT CONVEYS ITS SIGNIFICANCE IF AN ORIGINAL [58:32] OWNER CAME TO THOSE HOUSES I BELIEVE THEY WOULD EASILY [58:37] RECOGNIZE THEM AS A HOME. GENERATIONS OF RESIDENTS HAVE UPDATED ADAPTED AND LOVINGLY MAINTAINED THESE HOMES. TO BE [58:44] CLEAR, HISTORIC DESIGNATION DOES NOT MEAN THAT THESE HOMES MUST REMAIN OUTDATED. IT DOES NOT PREVENT UPGRADES LIKE HVAC, [58:50] BETTER INSULATION, ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS OR OTHER ESSENTIAL MODERNTIONS. [58:56] WHAT IT DOES ENSURE IS THAT CHANGE HAPPENS WITH PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY. A CITY STAFF [59:01] RECEIVED NUMEROUS COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN SUPPORT AND I BELIEVE THAT KIND OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT SPEAKS [59:07] VOLUMES. GLEN MATTERS NOT JUST TO THOSE WHO LIVE THERE NOW BUT TO A WIDER NETWORK OF PEOPLE WHOSE ITS MEANING AND ITS [59:15] LEGACY. I BELIEVE IT'S VALUE LIES WHAT IT REPRESENTS WHICH IS A FAMILY ORIENTED LOW DENSITY MODEL OF PUBLIC HOUSING THAT WAS [59:21] THOUGHTFULLY INTEGRATED INTO A PUBLIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT THE COMMUNITY THAT HOLDS IT TOGETHER DESERVES RECOGNITION AND [59:26] PROTECTION. AND ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE IN A MOMENT OF HOUSING CRISIS AND GLENDALE IS A REMINDER THAT OUR [59:32] CITY CHOSE TO BUILD DURING THE LAST ONE AND THAT THIS DESIGNATION GIVES CURRENT RESIDENTS A GREATER VOICE IN [59:37] SHAPING WHAT COMES NEXT. I BELIEVE A HISTORIC DESIGNATION DOES NOT OPPOSE [59:43] CHANGE IT JUST INSISTS CHANGE BE JUST, AND ROOTED IN COMMUNITY AND SO THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT IT. [59:49] THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WALLACE? [59:54] >> THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR COMMENTS TODAY. WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR [59:59] INSIGHT AND YOUR EXPERIENCE I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD AS I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT [1:00:05] COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID HERE. SOMETHING THAT I DO WANT TO UNDERLINE IS THAT HISTORIC [1:00:12] DESIGNATION DOES NOT PREVENT THE UPGRADES THAT HAVE BEEN [1:00:17] DESCRIBED AS NEEDED, AS WANTED, AS ADVOCATED FOR A LONG TIME. [1:00:23] DESIGNATION DOES NOT PREVENT THAT AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOME MISCOMMUNICATION AROUND THAT [1:00:28] FACT. OUR CHARGE HERE IS RATHER NARROW. WE ARE HERE TO -- TO [1:00:36] BASICALLY EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPERTY IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF [1:00:42] EVIDENCE FOR THAT AND I KNOW THAT THE PRIMARY CHALLENGE TO THE SIGNIFICANCE -- OR RATHER THE ELIGIBILITY FOR LISTING ITS [1:00:50] INTEGRITY AND FOR THE REASONS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE OUTLINED. I TOO AGREE IT RETAINS INTEGRITY TO BE LISTED. [1:00:57] THE OTHER PIECE THAT I DID JUST WANT TO UNDERLINE IS THAT THE DESIGNATION DOESN'T PREVENT [1:01:04] RESIDENTS FROM SHAPING THEIR FUTURE, IN FACT, FOR ALL THE ROUTINES THAT COMMISSIONER THOMAS OUT -- REASONS THAT [1:01:10] COMMISSIONER THOMAS OUTLINED ELEVATE THE CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE TO [1:01:16] THE PROPERTY AND THAT -- ON THE EXTERIOR BUT THAT RESIDENCE HAVE A GREATER VOICE AND CLEARLY THE [1:01:24] PUBLIC COMMENT FOR LAST TIME AND THIS TIME HAVE SHOWN DIFFERENCES OF OPINION BUT AN AGREED-UPON [1:01:33] VISION THAT THIS PROPERTY AND THIS COMMUNITY MATTERS AND FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN [1:01:39] NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL OF THAT. [1:01:44] THE MPHA SERVING THAT DOESN'T PREVENT MPHA FROM INVESTING IN RENOVATION. IT [1:01:52] DOESN'T -- IT DOESN'T KEEP THEM FROM DIGGING BACK INTO THE 22 MILLION DOLLAR BACKLOG THAT IS NOT BECAUSE OF HISTORIC [1:02:00] DESIGNATION. SO I JUST WANT TO LAY THAT OUT BUT THINGS OUR CHARGE HERE IS NOT AROUND THAT. [1:02:05] IT IS TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPERTY IS HISTORICALLY [1:02:10] SIGNIFICANT WHILE WE MAY HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS BY EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED THAT IS REALLY OUR FOCUS OF [1:02:17] TODAY SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY PROVIDING COMMENTS. IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO US AS A PUBLIC-FACING COMMISSION TO BE [1:02:22] ABLE TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT FOR THE REASONS THAT I'VE OUTLINED I [1:02:28] WOULD ALSO SUPPORT A [1:02:36] DESIGNATION. >> COMMISSIONER HERR? >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO [1:02:44] SAY I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ABSENCE LAST MEETING. I WAS ABLE TO [1:02:49] REVIEW THE VIDEO AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT CAME TO [1:02:58] SPEAK BEFORE US, TELL US THEIR HALTER FELT STORIES AND [1:03:06] THOUGHTFUL -- THOUGHTFUL REASONS WHY OR WHY NOT THIS COMMUNITY [1:03:17] SHALL GAIN HISTORIC DESIGNATION. [1:03:26] YOU KNOW, THIS -- THIS TOPIC [1:03:32] ITEM IS HIGHLY POLITICAL BUT I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW [1:03:38] COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO SEE THROUGH THE POLITICS OF THIS ALL AND REALLY [1:03:46] LOOK AT THE PROPERTY IN A WHOLE AND I TOO WILL SUPPORT THE [1:03:52] HISTORIC NOMINATION. [1:04:02] >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERR? ANYONE ELSE? I GUESS I WOULD SAY WHEN WE SAW THIS COME BEFORE [1:04:07] US -- WAS IT LAST JUNE? AT THAT [1:04:13] POINT I FELT PRETTY STRONGLY THAT THE SITE HAD RETAINED ITS [1:04:19] SIGNIFICANCE UNDER CRITERION 1 AND 5 AND I THINK -- I STILL FEEL THAT WAY FOR MANY OF THE [1:04:26] REASONS THAT OUR COMMISSION HAS ALREADY LAID OUT SO WITH ALL OF [1:04:33] THAT, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM? >> YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A [1:04:38] MOTION BUT BEFORE I DO THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. I THINK WE DO NEED TO [1:04:44] RECOGNIZE THAT THE BUILDINGS HAVE SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE AND THAT'S AN [1:04:50] UNFORTUNATE THING THAT MPHA IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH. I DON'T THINK -- I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT NONE OF US KNOW THE [1:04:57] DIFFICULTY IT'S GOING TO BE TO GET THAT MUNG AND TO CHANGE THE BUILDINGS TO UPGRADE THEM AND [1:05:02] UPDATE THEM. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT [1:05:08] THAT -- THAT'S NOT RULING HOW I SEE THE SENSE OF THIS AS BEING [1:05:15] HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT NEVERTHELESS THE [1:05:21] STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I MOVE THAT THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE LOCAL [1:05:27] DESIGNATION OF THE GLENDALE TOWNHOUSES HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE IT COMPLIES WITH LOCAL [1:05:33] DESIGNATION CRITERIA NO. 1 AND [1:05:38] 5. >> THOMAS SECONDS. [1:05:44] >> ANDREA BURKE? >> THANK YOU. VICE-CHAIR MASTON [1:05:51] AND MELLBLOM. I WANT TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE AS YOUR PUTTING TOGETHER THIS MOTION BECAUSE [1:05:57] THERE ARE VERY REAL IMPLICATIONS AS THIS CONTINUES DOWN THE PATH [1:06:03] THAT I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO AS YOU MENTIONED YOU [1:06:09] HAVE STARTED THE MOTION AS, YOU KNOW, CORRECTLY NEVERTHELESS STAFF RECOMMENDATION 'CAUSE [1:06:14] STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED A DENIAL. IN MAKING THIS MOTION TO [1:06:19] OVERTURN, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GUIDE YOU IN SOME OF THE THINGS AND YOU HAVE MADE A FEW FINDINGS I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO REPEAT [1:06:25] THEM BECAUSE I'M RIGHT TO NOTE THEM AS WELL. BUT JUST REMINDING YOU TO MAKE FINDINGS RELATIVE TO THE [1:06:32] CRITERIA OF SIGNIFICANCE AND THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY TO JUSTIFY THE RATIONALE FOR DESIGNATION. [1:06:38] STAFF HAS ALSO STRONGLY SUGGESTING THAT THE HPC PROPOSE A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE [1:06:43] THAT WAS NOT DONE -- I MEAN, WE PROTESTED A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE BUT WE'RE DENYING -- STAFF HAS [1:06:50] RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION. PROPOSING A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE WITH A [1:06:55] JUSTIFICATION FOR HISTORIC INTEGRITY WITHIN THAT PERIOD OF [1:07:00] SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE IF IT IS, YOU KNOW, THINKING DOWN THE SCENARIOS -- IF IT IS DESIGNATED BY COUNCIL IN THE END, CHANGES [1:07:07] TO THE PROPERTY'S PHYSICAL FEATURES WILL NEED TO BE EVALUATED THROUGH HISTORIC DENY [1:07:13] REBOOT PROCESSES IN PERPETUITY. IF THERE'S UNCLEAR AND [1:07:19] CONFLICTING INFORMATION ABOUT THE CRITERIA SIGNIFICANCE, THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE AND/OR [1:07:24] THE HISTORIC SEATBELTING AND A DESIGNATION, IT CAN COMPLICATE THE REVIEW PROCESS GOING [1:07:33] FORWARD. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT THAT IS. THAT'S FOR YOU TO DECIDE. BUT [1:07:40] REGARDING PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, YOU KNOW, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT EITHER TURNING POINTS IN THE DATE OF [1:07:46] THE CRITERIA OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT YOU ARE SELECTING TO OVERTURN STAFF RECOMMENDATION, [1:07:53] CONSTRUCTION DAYLIGHTS IS AN OPTION. THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR DOING THAT. FOR [1:07:59] THIS POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT BUT I WANTED TO SUGGEST TO SET [1:08:05] SOME BOUNDARY FOR THIS TO HELP THIS IF THIS GOES THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY, THERE STILL NEEDS TO [1:08:10] BE A VOTE SO ON AND FORTH BUT IF I MAY PROVIDE SUCH GUIDANCE. THANK YOU. [1:08:17] >> THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE [1:08:23] A SUGGESTION? COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM. >> NOT ABOUT THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE BUT THE FINDINGS. [1:08:30] I GRIND GROUND -- SORRY, I GROUND MY MOTION IN THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE FIRST [1:08:35] AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN MINNEAPOLIS AND THUS ITS SOCIAL HISTORY AND COMMUNITY PLANNING [1:08:40] QUALIFIED AS LANDMARKABLE, THE SITE RETAINS ITS LANDSCAPING AND [1:08:48] VOLUMETRIC INTEGRITY AND THOSE WERE THE TWO PIECES THAT I PARTICULARLY LANDED ON. [1:08:53] I WOULD WELCOME OTHERS' OBSERVATIONS TO AMEND MY MOTION [1:08:58] WITH OTHER FINDINGS. [1:09:04] >> COMMISSIONER WALLACE? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR -- [1:09:11] VICE-CHAIR. I AGREE -- SECOND WHAT COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM JUST SAID. THE OTHER PIECE IS I'VE [1:09:17] BEEN CONSIDERING AROUND THIS IN TERMS OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE [1:09:22] PROPERTY -- WHILE, YES, THERE HAVE BEEN ALTERATIONS PARTICULARLY TO THE ENTRYWAYS [1:09:28] INTO THE ROOF AND THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT, WE'VE KIND OF ESTABLISHED ALL OF THAT AND AGREE THERE, I DON'T BELIEVE [1:09:35] THAT THOSE -- OR I DON'T SEE THAT THOSE ALTERATIONS HAVE [1:09:41] DIMINISHED THE ABILITY OF THE PROPERTY TO CONVEY ITS [1:09:47] HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT UNDER CRITERION 1 AND 5. THAT IS IN PART WHAT COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM [1:09:53] SAID AND COMMISSIONER THOMAS SAID IN HER STATEMENT ALL THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS STAND IN THE ORIGINAL SPOT THAT THEY WERE. [1:09:58] THEY RETAIN THEIR FOOTPRINTS AND THAT ALL, LIKE, FED [1:10:04] ADMINISTRATION IS -- FED [1:10:10] STRATIONS AND WHILE THOSE PIECES ARE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT MAKES IT SIGNIFICANT 'CAUSE CLEARLY WE'VE OUTLINED WHAT THE [1:10:18] HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IN TERMS OF SOCIAL HISTORY IS, THOSE PIECES ABOUT ITS INTEGRITY [1:10:24] HAVE -- HAVE LED ME TO SUPPORT ITS DESIGNATIONS AND THAT THE INTEGRITY HASN'T BEEN DIMINISHED [1:10:30] TO SUCH A DEGREE THAT IT CAN'T CONVEY ITS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. FOR A PERIOD OF [1:10:37] SIGNIFICANCE, I WOULD RECOMMEND ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION THROUGH 1980 AND THAT DOES INCLUDE [1:10:44] CONSTRUCTION DATES OF THE -- OF THE -- SOME OF THE MAJOR ALTERATIONS BUT I THINK THAT [1:10:49] PERIOD COVERS WHAT COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ WAS NOTING, NOT TO SPEAK FOR HER BUT THAT [1:10:56] THE -- THAT THOSE ALTERATIONS CAME ABOUT DUE TO SOCIAL CHANGE BECAUSE OF COMMUNITY [1:11:01] INVOLVEMENT, COMMUNITY RECOMMENDATION AND SO I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS YOU CAN MAKE THAT CASE FOR THAT [1:11:07] EXTENDED PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER [1:11:14] RODRIGUEZ. >> SURE, THANK YOU. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER WALLACE JUST SAID AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO [1:11:21] THAT. I WONDER IF THIS KIND OF EXPANDED PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE [1:11:30] AND KIND OF THE EXPANDED CRITERIA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MEANS THAT THIS PROPERTY MEETS [1:11:38] CRITERION 3 THE PROPERTY HAS DISTINGUISHED ELEMENTS OF CITY OR NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY IN THAT [1:11:45] THE -- IN THAT RESIDENTS OF LOW-INCOME HOUSING HELPED SHAPE SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT [1:11:51] TOOK PLACE IN THE 1970s. [1:12:04] >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? [1:12:11] >> THANKS. IT MIGHT BE KIND OF [1:12:16] A MOOT POINT HERE BUT IT'S A MESSY SITUATION, A MESSY ISSUE [1:12:21] IN FRONT OF US AND I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND TESTIMONIES AND OBSERVATIONS [1:12:29] FROM BOTH THE PUBLIC THAT CAME HERE TO SHARE THEIR STORIES AS WELL AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. [1:12:36] I DO WORRY THAT AS A LOT OF STAFF AT MPHA HAVE NOTED THAT [1:12:44] DESIGNATION DOES HAMSTRING IMPROVEMENTS AND DEVELOPMENTS [1:12:49] THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE COMMUNITIES COULD BENEFIT FROM. AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE [1:12:54] TALKED ABOUT -- THEY CAME UP AND THEY TALKED ABOUT WHAT A GREAT EXPERIENCE, WHAT A WONDERFUL [1:12:59] PLACE THIS IS AND NOW WE ARE SAYING THIS CAN BE A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR THIS MANY PEOPLE AND [1:13:07] THAT'S ALL. THERE WAS NOTHING [1:13:12] PARTICULARLY GROUNDBREAKING OR [1:13:18] REVOLUTIONARY ABOUT THESE BUILDINGS WHEN THEY WERE BUILT. THEY'RE ACTUALLY -- I MEAN, IF [1:13:24] WE'RE BEING HONEST, THEY'RE NOT GREAT DESIGNS. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT MAKE THEM [1:13:30] IMPRACTICAL. THEIR IMPRACTICALITIES THAT ARE -- THAT ARE HARD TO OVERCOME WITH [1:13:38] IMPROVEMENTS. WE CAN IMPROVE SOME OF THE FINISHES BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE SINGLE LEVEL [1:13:44] LIVING POSSIBLE IN A LOT OF THESE UNITS. ACCESSIBILITY IS GOING TO BE TRICKY NO MATTER [1:13:55] WHAT. AND -- YEAH, I -- YOU KNOW, WE LIVE -- YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE 2040 FLAN. WE'RE [1:14:01] LOOKING -- WE KNOW DENSITY IS IMPORTANT PARTICULARLY ALONG CORRIDORS WHERE THERE ARE ACCESS [1:14:08] TO RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, EASY TRANSPORTATION TO JOBS, GROCERY [1:14:14] STORES. YEAH, I'M NOT CONCERNED. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF CULTURALLY [1:14:24] SIGNIFICANT MOMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY, WITH THIS [1:14:30] SITE. I'M NOT -- I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE ARCHITECTURE WAS AT THE TIME IN 1952 WAS [1:14:42] DOING ANYTHING PARTICULARLY SPECIAL THAT NEEDS TO BE [1:14:47] PRESERVED. I CAN SEE COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM THE ARGUMENT FOR THE [1:14:54] SOCIAL SIGNIFICANCE. BUT, YEAH, INCOME AT THE END OF THE AT A -- [1:15:02] I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'VE HEARD SO MANY GOOD STORIES ABOUT HOW THEIR KIDS CAN PLAY [1:15:07] OUTSIDE, HOW THEY FEEL SAFE. AND THEY REALLY APPRECIATED THIS [1:15:12] COMMUNITY AND I JUST THINK WELL, THERE'S 4300 OTHER FAMILIES THAT ARE WAITING IN LINE BE ABLE TO [1:15:19] KIND OF MAKE THAT TESTIMONY AS WELL, AND I FEEL LIKE WE MIGHT [1:15:24] BE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THOSE FOLKS. THANKS. [1:15:29] >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER [1:15:48] ALEXANDER. COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM DO YOU WANT TO MODIFY YOUR MOTION? >> YEAH, I ADDED -- WELL, I [1:15:56] STATED THE TWO -- THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, CHAIR [1:16:01] MASTIN. I STATED THE TWO [1:16:08] FINDINGS FOR WHY. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE THIRD ONE ASSISTED BY [1:16:14] COMMISSIONER WALLACE WHICH SAYS IT IS BASKETBALL STILL CONVEY THEIR HISTORICAL INTEGRITY. [1:16:19] AS A SIDE-BAR TO THAT I STILL AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. THEY'RE NOT FANCY [1:16:26] BUILDINGS AND I THINK THAT'S FOR ME THE COMPELLING REASON TO SAVE THEM. WE PRIORITIZE THE GRAND [1:16:32] VERSUS THE ORDINARY AND SOMETIMES THE ORDINARY IS THE THING THAT ACTUALLY REPRESENTS [1:16:38] MORE OF THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAN THE GRANDEST PLACES THAT WE HAVE. [1:16:44] BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S NOT SY DECISION BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. [1:16:54] AND I WOULD BASED ON THE COMMENT THAT I HEARD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE SETH PERIOD OF [1:17:00] SIGNIFICANCE FROM 1952 WHEN THE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT THROUGH 1989 WHEN THE LAST RENOVATIONS [1:17:05] TO THE BUILDING WERE DONE AND I BELIEVE THAT CORRIDORS TO THE [1:17:12] RECOMMENDATION FROM OTHER [1:17:19] COMMISSIONERS. ANDREA BURKE? >> THANK YOU VICE-CHAIR. [1:17:25] MASTIN. I WANTED TO COUPLE THINGS -- I WANT YOU TO RESTATE THE MOTION. I'M STILL TAKING NOTE THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF [1:17:33] MODIFICATIONS. AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT IF THE 1989 [1:17:39] IS BEING PROPOSED THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN 50 YEARS. NOW THERE'S NOT -- NOT SIGNIFICANTLY BUT THERE'S -- [1:17:45] THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR CODE THAT STATES IT HAS TO BE 50 YEARS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MORE OF A [1:17:50] NATIONAL REGISTER KIND OF GUIDELINE BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS [1:17:56] AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED KIND OF IN MY [1:18:02] SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, THESE DO HAVE -- THIS MAKES A VERY REAL DIFFERENCE HOW THIS IS CARRIED [1:18:09] THROUGH. NOW GRANT THE HVC IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AND IT'S THE COUNCIL'S [1:18:15] RECOMMENDATION TO BE DESIGNATED. BUT AS I MENTIONED CONSIDERING [1:18:20] STAFF CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL AND WHAT A HAPPENS HERE DOES HAVE REAL IMPLICATIONS. I'M NOT [1:18:26] GOING TO PUT MY OPINIONS ON IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY JOB BUT [1:18:32] WHEN YOU DO GO TO -- I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU READ THE MOTION AGAIN IN ITS ENTIRETY TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN TRANSCRIBE IT [1:18:37] AND THEN I WOULD ALSO JUST HAVE A QUESTION OF THE CLERK IF IT IS OKAY, VICE-CHAIR BECAUSE I [1:18:43] BELIEVE I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND BEFORE THE DISCUSSION AND JUST WHAT THE PROPER PROETQUELL [1:18:51] IS TO -- PROTOCOL TO MOVE FORWARD IF THAT HAS TO BE VOTED ON OR COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM IF [1:18:56] WE CAN CONTINUE MODIFYING THE MOTION AT THIS POINT. [1:19:05] >> THROUGH THE CHAIR MISS BURKE IT WOULD BE PREFERABLE THAT WE [1:19:10] WOULD NOT, FRANKLY, AMENDMENTS BUT GIVEN THE NATURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO EDIT WHERE WE'RE AT [1:19:16] IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO RESTATE THE MOTION IN ITS ENTIRETY. ITS I'M NOT LIKE THE [1:19:23] PROPOSITION WAS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MOTION SO I THINK WE'RE OKAY TO GO AHEAD AS WE HAVE BEEN. THANK YOU FOLLOW THE [1:19:34] QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONER WALLACE. >> SORRY, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I JUST HAD ONE MORE KIND OF [1:19:40] THOUGHT, JUST CLARIFICATION THAT TO REITERATE, HISTORIC DESIGNATION DOES NOT PREVENT [1:19:49] DEVELOPMENT, DOES NOT PREVENT SUPPORTING THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF [1:19:55] PEOPLE THROUGH THE CITY TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DOESN'T PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING SO I [1:20:00] JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR LIKE OUR PURVIEW IS PRETTY NARROW HERE [1:20:06] AND AGAIN WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS AND WISHES FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE PEOPLE [1:20:12] WITHIN IT BUT WE'RE -- OUR VOTE IS PRETTY FOCUSED AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THERE'S A [1:20:19] LOT OF WORK REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME TONIGHT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT CAN BE DONE. THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE ON BEHALF OF ALL [1:20:26] OF US SO I JUST WANT TO LAY THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [1:20:32] COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM. >> SO BEFORE I RETATE I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION OF ANY OF MY FELLOW [1:20:39] COMMISSIONERS, IF THEY HAVE OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PERIOD OF [1:20:45] SIGNIFICANCE? IF NOT 1952 TO [1:20:51] 1989? >> COMMISSIONER WALLACE? SORRY. THANK YOU. WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU [1:20:57] WOULD RECOMMEND THROUGH 1989. I THINK THAT 1980 MAY BE A MORE [1:21:08] APPROPRIATE SIGNIFICANCE FOR A MOMENT. IT DOES COVER THE FIRST CONSTRUCTION DATE AND IT COVERS [1:21:14] SOME OF THE SOCIAL MOVEMENT THAT IS SO COMPELLING IN TERMS OF EXTENDING IT. THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT A [1:21:19] PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE SET IN STONE. THIS WILL, OF COURSE, [1:21:25] AFFECT DECISIONS GOING FORWARD IF THIS DESIGNATION GOES THROUGH BUT A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE CAN [1:21:30] BE EXTENDED AT A LATER DATE SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY [1:21:35] HAVE TO COVER THAT BROAD OF A SWATH TONIGHT. JUST SOMETHING [1:21:41] TO CONSIDER. [1:21:51] >> MR. MELLBLOM? >> I WILL RETATE MY MOTION THEN. NEVERTHELESS THE STAFF [1:21:56] RECOMMENDATION, I MOVE THAT THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL [1:22:02] APPROVE THE LOCAL DESIGNATION OF THE GLENDALE TOWNHOUSES HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE IT COMPLIES [1:22:08] WITH LOCAL DESIGNATION CRITERIA NO. 1 AND 5. IT IS THE FIRST [1:22:13] FINDING -- IT IS THE FIRST AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN MINNEAPOLIS AND THUS SOCIAL AND [1:22:19] COMMUNITY PLANNING QUALIFY IT AS LANDMARKABLE. NO. 2 IT RETAINS THE LANDSCAPE AND VOLUMETRIC [1:22:28] INTEGRITY THAT WAS INITIALLY -- THAT WAS INITIALLY CREATED WHEN THE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT AND [1:22:36] CITED. NO. 3 THAT THE BUILDINGS STILL CONVEY THEIR HISTORIC INTEGRITY THOUGH WE RECOGNIZE THEY HAVE BEEN CHANGED OVER [1:22:41] TIME. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SET THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE -- OR PROPOSE WE SET THE PERIOD OF [1:22:47] SIGNIFICANCE FROM 1952 TO 1972 SO THAT THERE'S A CLEAR [1:22:54] DEMARCATION FOR THE SECOND -- FROM THE FIRST TIME THAT THE [1:23:02] BUILDINGS WERE MODIFIED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT COULD IT BE EXTENDED AT A LATER DATE. IT SEEMS LIKE A YEPPER WAY TO KIND [1:23:10] OF CHOOSE THAT DATE RATHER THAN KIND OF A DATE BETWEEN 1972 AND [1:23:25] 1989. >> COMMISSIONER WALLACE SECONDS THE MOTION. [1:23:31] THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS MELLBLOM AND WALLACE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? [1:23:41] PURCHASE OKAY. SEEING NONE, WOULD THE CLERK CALL THE ROLL. [1:23:48] (ROLL CALL.) [1:24:14] >> THERE ARE 7 AYES AND 1 NAY. >> THANK YOU, THE MOTION PASSES. [1:24:24] (APPLAUSE.) >> IS THAT THE RIGHT WORDING? YEAH. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC [1:24:32] HEARING ITEMS. DO COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS [1:24:38] OR COMMISSION BUSINESS TO [1:24:45] DISCUSS? >> YES, I DO. I'LL WAIT JUST A MOMENT. [1:25:03] >> OKAY. >> IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COULD PLEASE MOVE THEIR CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE WHILE THE [1:25:11] MEETING IS CURRENTLY STILL UNDER GAVEL. >> DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT [1:25:17] AGAIN? [1:25:38] (GAVELING) >> THANK YOU. YEAH, ANDREA BURKE, SUPERVISOR FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM. I [1:25:44] REALLY JUST HAVE ONE -- THANK YOU FOR THE REQUEST FOR TOPICS [1:25:49] FOR THE HBV RETREAT WHICH IS COMING UP MAY 15TH CITY MENTIONED WE WILL NOTICE FOR IT. IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BUT IT [1:25:55] IS ON MAY 15TH, WHICH IS A THURSDAY WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR USUAL TUESDAY. WE MEET FROM 3:00 PM TO [1:26:02] ROUGHLY 6:00 PM. WE MEET IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE BUILDING. AND WE [1:26:07] TALK ABOUT TOPICS -- A NUMBER OF ITEMS THEY'RE SORT OF GENERAL TO WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING WITH THE [1:26:14] HPC, IF THERE'S REFRESHER ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO GO OVER JUST WITH REGARD TO SOME PROTOCOL ON THE HPC WE DO THAT AND THEN [1:26:21] OTHER LARGER TOPICS THAT ARE OF CONCERN SO I RECEIVED THE TOPICS. I'M POUTING TOGETHER I [1:26:27] HAVE A AGENDA THAT WILL GO OUT AS NORMAL SO THIS IS A NEW [1:26:34] NOTICE COMMISSIONERS OF WHAT THIS IS. IT'S A LITTLE INFORMAL COMPARED TO THIS MEETING. THE [1:26:40] PUBLIC IS INVITED SOMETIMES WE DO GET MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT DO SHOW UP. WE STILL DO [1:26:46] ROLL CALL AND IT'S STILL TREATED AS SUCH SO I THINK THAT IS -- [1:26:51] THERE'S PROBABLY MORE ANNOUNCEMENTS BUT THAT'S THE EXTENT WHAT I HAVE TODAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. [1:26:57] COMMISSIONERS? >> I HAD A QUESTION FOR -- IF YOU DON'T MIND. [1:27:03] I'M SORRY THAT I MISSED THE CALL FOR TOPICS. IS THAT [1:27:08] STILL AN OPEN DISCUSSION THAT I COULD -- >> COMMISSIONER WALLACE, I'M SO [1:27:14] SORRY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED. YOU'RE ON THE EMAIL BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? STUFF HAPPENS. THAT'S OKAY. >> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN -- [1:27:20] >> HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS. I HAD TO GO UNTIL THE END OF YESTERDAY. >> OH, I APOLOGIZE. [1:27:27] >> IF YOU WANT TO GO -- IF WE WANT TO SAY THE END OF THE DAY TOMORROW. THAT'S FINE. IF YOU [1:27:33] WANT TO GET SOMETHING THAT'S FINE. I HAVE A DRAFT. >> I APOLOGIZE. IT MIGHT HAVE [1:27:38] BEEN A CITY EMAIL PROBABLY -- >> NO WORRIES. (LAUGH.) >> THE OTHER -- THANK YOU FOR [1:27:45] THAT. I WILL ADHERE TO THAT DEADLINE. DO WE HAVE A ROOM -- WE KNOW IT'S IN THIS ROOM BUT IS [1:27:51] IT -- IS THERE A ROOM WE SHOULD PLAN ON BEING IN? >> VICE-CHAIR MASTIN AND [1:27:57] COMMISSIONER WALLACE. IT IS IN ROOM 300 OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE BUILDING AND I WILL SEND OUT [1:28:04] ORIENTATION TO THAT AND WHERE TO GO BUT, YES, IT'S IN ROOM 300 OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE BUILDING SO THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE CENTER [1:28:10] SO IT'S IN THE REGULAR CITY BUILDING, YEAH. >> GREAT. >> AND SO MOSTLY WE ARE IN A [1:28:16] LARGE CONFERENCE ROOM. WE ARE SITTING AROUND A TABLE AND THEN SOMETIMES MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL DROP IN AND LISTEN BUT WE [1:28:24] WILL HAVE OUR CLERK THERE TO CALL ROLL. WE OFTEN HAVE [1:28:29] SOMEBODY THAT TAKES NOTES JUST TO TRACK WHAT'S GOING ON SO... GOOD QUESTIONS. [1:28:34] >> I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANY OTHERS? OKAY. DID I END [1:28:43] UP ON THE WRONG SHEET. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THERE BEING NO OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THIS [1:28:49] MEETING AND WITHOUT OBJECTION, I DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED. THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING [1:28:54] OF THE HPC IS TUESDAY MAY 6TH.