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June 10, 2025 Business, Housing & Zoning Committee
Minneapolis City CouncilFriday, June 6, 2025
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[0:26] >> GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE
[0:34] BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING COMMITTEE FOR JUNE 10, 2025. I AM JAMAL OSMAN AND I'M THE CHAIR
[0:40] OF THIS COMMITTEE. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, I WANT TO REMIND ALL MEMBERS, STAFF THAT
[0:46] THIS MEETING IS BROADCAST LIVE TO ENABLE GREATER PUBLIC
[0:53] PARTICIPATION. THEY INCLUDE REAL-TIME CAPTIONING. THEREFORE, ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL TO THE RATE OF THEIR SPEECH SO
[1:00] OUR CAPTIONERS CAN FULLY TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST. WE ASK ALL SPEAKERS
[1:06] TO MODERATE THE SPEED AND CLARITY OF THEIR COMMENT. WE'LL BE USING SPEAKER MANAGEMENT. SO
[1:12] PLEASE SIGN IN. AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL SO WE CAN VERIFY A QUORUM.
[1:19] >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> PRESENT. >> CASHMAN. >> PRESENT. >> JENKINS IS ABSENT. CHOWDHURY.
[1:26] >> PRESENT. >> VICE CHAIR ELLISON. >> HERE. >> AND CHAIR OSMAN. >> PRESENT. >> THERE ARE FIVE MEMBERS
[1:31] PRESENT. >> LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE HAVE A QUORUM. OUR AGENDA IS BEFORE US. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY
[1:37] MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA. COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
[1:44] AMEND THE BHZ AGENDA AND ADD TO CONSENT BEFORE YOU THE STAFF DIRECTION TO THE LEGISLATIVE
[1:50] DEPARTMENT TO UNDERTAKE A RESEARCH ANALYSIS AROUND PET
[1:55] RESTRICTIONS, FEES, AND RENTAL HOUSING IN MINNEAPOLIS, AND THEN ALSO DOING A LANDSCAPE ANALYSIS
[2:01] OF POLICIES RELATED TO REGULATED PET WEIGHT AND BREED
[2:07] RESTRICTIONS. >> THANK YOU. ON THAT MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA, ALL THOSE IN
[2:12] FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES.
[2:19] BEFORE WE PROCEED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEMS OUR AGENDA, WE WILL FIRST TAKE OUR CONSENT
[2:26] AGENDA WHICH IS ITEM 6 THROUGH 20. 6 IS APPROVING NINE LIQUOR
[2:33] LICENSE. SEVEN IS APPROVING 54 LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS. EIGHT
[2:39] IS APPROVING FOUR GAMBLING LICENSE. NINE IS AUTHORIZING A GRANT APPLICATION TO 2025
[2:46] METROPOLITAN COUNCIL LIVABLE COMMUNITIES ACCOUNT AND TRANSIT
[2:56] ACCOUNTS. TEN IS AUTHORIZING MUSIC VEN AWE. 11 IS CONTRACT
[3:02] AMENDMENT FOR PROPERTY. 12 IS
[3:07] ADOPTING ALTERNATIVE URBAN AREAWIDE REVIEW UPDATE FOR MITIGATION PLAN FOR THE UPPER
[3:14] HARBOR TERMINAL. 13 IS AUTHORIZING A GREAT STREET LOAN FOR THE LATINO CENTER FOR
[3:20] COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 14 IS APPROVING A 21 MINNEAPOLIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON HOUSING.
[3:27] 15 IS RECEIVING AND FILING APPOINTMENT LETTER TO THREE
[3:32] EXTERNAL SEATS FOR THE MINNEAPOLIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON HOUSING. 16 IS APPROVING AN
[3:39] APPOINTMENT TO THE SEAT FOR THE MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. 17 IS APPROVING
[3:45] TWO AMENDMENT TO THE 2025 LICENSE FEE SCHEDULE WHICH ARE SAUNA ESTABLISHED FEES AND
[3:52] WINDOW CLEANING FEES. ITEM 18 IS APPROVING LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE RELATED TO THE MINNEAPOLIS
[3:59] SKYWAYS SYSTEM. 19 IS REFERRING TO THE STAFF SUBJECT MATTER OF ORDINANCE BY ADDING A NEW
[4:09] ENTITLED PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATIVE ENFORCEMENT CHAPTER. 20 IS
[4:14] SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR
[4:19] JUNE 24, 2025, TO CONSIDER ISSUING HOUSING REVENUE BOND TO SNELLING YARDS FAMILY HOUSING
[4:25] PROJECT. WITH THAT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
[4:30] I'M SORRY. MY THING IS NOT WORKING HERE. ALL RIGHT. I'LL
[4:36] RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU. I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD MAYBE PULL 18 FOR A DISCUSSION, PLEASE.
[4:41] >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE?
[4:48] COUNCIL MEMBER KATIE CASHMAN. >> THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 18 AS WELL. WAIT
[4:55] FOR THAT DISCUSSION TO INTRODUCE THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. >> NOTHING TO PULL. JUST WANTED
[5:01] TO HIGHLIGHT ITEM 10. IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR THE NORTH SIDE TO SEE THIS PROJECT LIVE A LONG LIFE.
[5:07] THIS IS THE UPPER HARBOR TERMINAL PROJECT. WE HAVE ONE OF
[5:13] THE DEVELOPER, DANA FRANK IS HERE. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. I KNOW A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY OVER THE YEARS HAS
[5:19] GONE ON. DANA AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAVE BEEN GREAT IN HOW THEY'VE ENGAGED THE
[5:25] COMMUNITY. SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR THE NORTH SIDE. THAT'S ALL. SO THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WONDERFUL. SEEING
[5:33] NO ONE ELSE, I WILL APPROVE ALL CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT ITEM 18.
[5:41] ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. I WILL GO
[5:48] BACK TO NUMBER 18. COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PERHAPS
[5:55] IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND MORE USEFUL, I HAVE QUESTIONS. >> YES, COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN,
[6:02] PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. I'M INTRODUCING A LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE TODAY TO LOOK AT THE
[6:08] MATTER OF ENFORCEMENT OF THE CURRENT SKYWAY ORDINANCE THAT WE DO HAVE IN PLACE. AND THIS IS A
[6:15] DIRECTIVE TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE IN SEPTEMBER WITH A PRESENTATION
[6:21] ON HOW OUR DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER THAT'S HEALTH DEPARTMENT, CPED,
[6:27] REGULATORY SERVICES, AND PUBLIC WORKS CAN COLLABORATE ON HOW TO
[6:32] ENFORCE THE SKYWAY ORDINANCE AND HOW TO BRING NEW ACTIVATION AND
[6:38] LIFE TO THE SKYWAY NETWORK. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT HOURS
[6:48] OF OPERATION. 10 P.M. ON WEEKDAYS, AND CERTAIN TIME ON SATURDAYs AND SUNDAYs. SINCE
[6:54] COVID-19, THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE. YOU'LL SEE ON THE MEET MINNEAPOLIS WEBSITE OF THIS
[7:00] SKYWAY DESCRIPTION, THEY'LL SAY MOST SKYWAYS ARE OPEN UNTIL 6 P.M. IT COMES UP VERY
[7:06] FREQUENTLY FOR BOTH RESIDENTS OF DOWNTOWN AS WELL AS VISITORS THAT THEY STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND
[7:11] THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE SKYWAY NETWORK, HOW TO ACCESS THE SKYWAY NETWORK, AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL PRIVATELY
[7:18] OWNED FOR THE MOST PART EXCEPT THE PARTS THAT ARE UNDER OUR AND
[7:25] COUNTY AND FEDERAL OWNERSHIP. SO WE DO NEED TO COME TO SOME LEVEL OF PUBLIC INTEREST AND
[7:31] GOVERNANCE OVER THE SKYWAY TO INSIST ON GETTING THE HOURS BACK OPEN TO PRE-COVID LEVELS. I'M
[7:37] HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU. SO I WOULD JUST
[7:44] LIKE TO OFFER SOME IDEAS ABOUT THIS LEGISLATIVE AMENDMENT. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO LOOK INTO
[7:49] THIS. AND I'LL SPEAK WITH THE CLERK AFTERWARDS SO I CAN GIVE YOU THE EXACT QUESTIONS I HAVE
[7:55] TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS. BUT IT'S -- THE CITY HAS SOME
[8:01] SKYWAYS. WHAT ARE THOSE HOURS? ARE WE ENFORCING OUR OWN RULE? CURIOUS AS TO THE AMOUNT OF
[8:11] USERS SAVE FROM 7 TO 8:00 OR
[8:17] 9:00 OR 10:00. CALLS FOR
[8:23] SERVICE. HOW IS THIS PAID FOR? I KNOW WE COLLECT MONEY FROM THE
[8:28] DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FOR THESE TYPES OF PUBLIC AMENITIES. BUT DO THESE
[8:33] RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS KICK IN ANYTHING AS WELL? SO JUST SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT AS OUR
[8:39] STAFF DRILLS INTO THESE, IF I COULD HAVE THOSE INCLUDED, PLEASE. >> YES. THANK YOU. AND WOULD YOU
[8:45] LIKE TO FORMALLY AMEND THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE OR WOULD
[8:50] YOU LIKE TO ASK FOR A STAFF MEMO WITH THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED?
[8:56] >> I'M LOOKING AT OUR WISE ATTORNEY. WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO AMEND OR TO JUST HAVE
[9:03] THIS INCLUDED AS A -- >> THANK YOU, THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE, IF THE
[9:09] AUTHOR IS OPEN TO IT, YOU COULD PROPOSE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE AND VOTE ON THAT.
[9:15] >> OKAY. GREAT. WELL THEN WHY DON'T WE DO A FRIENDLY AMEND WITH THOSE ITEMS I LISTED.
[9:21] AGAIN, I'LL GET THESE EXACT ITEMS TO THE CLERK. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE A CO-AUTHOR OF THIS.
[9:26] >> I WOULD LOVE TO BE. >> THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL. WE'LL WORK ON IT BEFORE A FULL
[9:32] COUNCIL. >> WONDERFUL. DID YOU MOVE THE ITEM FOR APPROVAL?
[9:38] >> I'LL MOVE THIS FOR APPROVAL. >> ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- >> COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN, CAN I
[9:44] INTERRUPT REALLY QUICK. COULD YOU ALSO MOVE COUNCIL MEMBER -- >> I WASN'T SURE IF WE --
[9:50] >> WE AMENDED ON THE AGENDA. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FORMALLY.
[9:56] >> LET'S TAKE THIS ONE FIRST. OKAY. LET'S VOTE FOR ITEM 18. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[10:02] >> AYE. >> AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. AYES HAVE IT. AND NOW WE ARE
[10:08] BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY'S AMENDMENT. AND COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY, WOULD
[10:14] YOU LIKE TO MOVE THIS ITEM? >> YES, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO MOVE THIS ITEM. COULD I GET A
[10:21] SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.
[10:26] >> AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE WILL
[10:31] PROCEED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING OF
[10:36] OUR AGENDA. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SAUNA LICENSING ORDINANCE ADDING A NEW CHAPTER
[10:43] TO THE LEGISLATURE SAUNA ESTABLISHMENTS. I'LL ASK CRAIG
[10:51] ELIASON TO PROVIDE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR OSMAN, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I AM CRAIG
[10:59] ELIASON IN LICENSES AND CONSUMER SERVICE PRESENTING AN ORDINANCE
[11:04] AMENDMENT RELATING TO LICENSES AND BUILDING REGULATIONS. ADDING A NEW CHAPTER 333 ENTITLED SAUNA
[11:15] ESTABLISHMENTS TO REGULATE SAUNA ESTABLISHMENTS. WHILE SAUNAS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN EXISTENCE IN
[11:20] THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS, THEIR POPULARITY HAS INCREASED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. IN
[11:26] PARTICULAR, THE USE OF MOBILE SAUNAS HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY POPULAR. THE MINNEAPOLIS PARKS
[11:32] AND RECREATION BOARD ROUTINELY PERMITS SAUNAS IN ITS PARKS
[11:37] THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THIS WILL ENSURE SAUNAS ARE OPERATING IN A SAFE MANNER, WHILE ADDRESSING
[11:47] HEALTH WHEN USED NEAR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. SAUNAS LOCATED INSIDE SUCH AS A GYM,
[11:53] HOTEL, OR SPA ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CHAPTER. THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO
[11:58] REQUIREMENTS FOR SAUNA ESTABLISHMENTS ON THE CITY LEVEL. THIS ORDINANCE WILL PUT INTO PLACE REQUIREMENTS FOR
[12:04] SUBMISSIONS OF PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE SAUNA EQUIPMENT, CONSTRUCTION AND
[12:10] MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS, AND GRANT AUTHORITY TO CITY STAFF TO PERFORM INSPECTIONS TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE. THE ORDINANCE WILL
[12:17] ALSO REGULATE THE HOURS OF OPERATION, DURATION, AND PLACEMENT NEAR RESIDENTIAL
[12:23] PROPERTY. LIABILITY INSURANCE
[12:29] WILL BE REQUIRED IN MINIMUM $1 MILLION PER OCCURRENCE. IF
[12:35] PASSED, THIS CHAPTER SHOULD BE EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025.
[12:42] MINNEAPOLIS HEALTH DEPARTMENT STAFF, MINNEAPOLIS PLANNING STAFF, AND MINNEAPOLIS PARK AND
[12:49] RECREATION STAFF TO ESTABLISH REQUIREMENTS FOR SAUNAS OPERATING IN THE CITY OF
[12:54] MINNEAPOLIS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. AT THIS TIME I WILL STAND FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK
[13:01] YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. NOW I'M GOING TO PROCEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE'S
[13:08] ANYONE WHO SIGN UP. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND MOVE THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL.
[13:21] SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN. MY APOLOGIES. >> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE MR.
[13:28] ELIASON TO ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS FOR ME. FIRST OF ALL, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED THAT THERE'S NO ONE HERE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY GIVEN THAT
[13:34] THIS IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING INDUSTRIES. AND THERE ARE SO MANY MOBILE SAUNA COMPANIES HERE IN THE CITY THAT
[13:40] ARE GOING TO BE HIGHLY IMPACTED BY THESE REGULATIONS. AND I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CONSULTED WITH PROPERLY. I
[13:48] HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR FEEDBACK ON THIS ORDINANCE. AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU DID ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
[13:56] WITH SAUNA COMPANIES IN ESTABLISHING THESE REGULATIONS. BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD FROM YOUR
[14:03] PRESENTATION IS YOU'VE MOSTLY WORKED WITH HEALTH DEPARTMENT STAFF AND PARKS AND RECREATION
[14:08] STAFF BUT NOT CONSULTING WITH OWNERS. >> AGAIN, CHAIR OSMAN, THROUGH
[14:14] CASHMAN. YEAH. AND AGAIN, THE MOBILE SAUNAS, AS YOU SAY, THEY
[14:21] ARE INCREASINGLY POPULAR. AND RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NO
[14:26] REGULATIONS REGARDING THEM. THE PARK BOARD REGULARLY ADMITS THEM. YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE A
[14:35] DATABASE ON WHICH TO SEND IT OUT. I MEAN, IT IS OBVIOUSLY POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. I
[14:45] DON'T KNOW IF ADMINISTER STENSEL FROM THE PARK BOARD MIGHT HAVE
[14:50] CONSULTED WITH ANY OF THEIR MOBILE SAUNAS. BUT A LOT OF THIS
[14:57] WAS THROUGH THE PARK BOARD. MR. STENSEL HAD A LOT OF INPUT ON
[15:02] WHAT HE'D LIKE TO SEE AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING WITH THEIR MOBILE SAUNA. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY
[15:08] REACHED OUT. WE DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD DATABASE OF THOSE MOBILE SAUNAS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. SECOND
[15:13] QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE, AND DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT
[15:21] THERE IS A PROBLEM? DO YOU HAVE 311 COMPLAINTS THAT SHOW A
[15:26] CONSISTENT ISSUE? >> CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER
[15:33] CASHMAN, YEAH, THIS WAS BROUGHT WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THEY DID AN AIR QUALITY STUDY.
[15:39] AND WHAT THEY DETERMINED IS A HIGH LEVEL OF PARTICULATES
[15:46] SURROUNDING WOODFIRED MOBILE SAUNAS. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WAS PART OF THIS COLLABORATION.
[15:51] AND THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE DRAWING. THERE WAS CONCERNS WITH THESE USES NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO THAT'S WHY THE
[16:02] ORDINANCE PUT IN TO THE DURATION AND LOCATION IN RESIDENTIAL SERVICES. BECAUSE THEY DID AN
[16:07] AIR QUALITY STUDY AND THEY FOUND THAT THE WOODBURNING SAUNAS.
[16:16] >> IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE FOR THAT, I WOULD REQUEST A STAFF FOLLOW UP OF THAT AND ADDED TO
[16:22] THE LIMS FILE. AS OF RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
[16:28] SO I WOULD REQUEST ALSO A BRIEFING BEFORE A FULL COUNCIL IF WE'RE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.
[16:33] I'M WONDERING IF DIRECTOR McMAHAN HAS MORE TO OFFER.
[16:42] >> THE IMPETUS FOR THIS WORK REALLY HAS COME OUT OF PROBABLY
[16:49] TWO WINTERS AGO NOW. IT'S BEEN MAYBE TWO AND A HALF YEARS IN THE MAKING. SO PRIOR TO THESE
[16:59] CURRENT REGULATIONS AT PRESENT, SAUNA OPERATORS ARE REQUIRED TO GET A ZONING PERMIT FROM THE
[17:06] CITY. WE ISSUE TEMPORARY USE PERMITS THROUGH THE METHODOLOGY THROUGH WHICH WE REGULATE THE
[17:12] USE. ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO OR TWO WINTERS AGO WE RECEIVED NUMEROUS
[17:18] COMPLAINTS ABOUT SAUNAS OPERATING. THEY WERE WOOD BURNING SAUNAS. TWO OR THREE OF
[17:26] THEM GOING PRETTY MUCH 11-14 HOURS A DAY IN OR NEAR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SO
[17:32] THE SMOKE THAT WAS BEING PRODUCED FROM THOSE WAS CREATING CONCERNS. THROUGH THAT PROCESS,
[17:40] OUR PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAD DONE SOME ANALYSIS AROUND THAT AND WAS ABLE TO PINPOINT AND
[17:46] IDENTIFY VERY SEVERE SPIKES IN PARTICULATE MATTER THAT WAS
[17:52] OCCURRING AS A RESULT OF THESE SAUNAS. SO WE HAD SOME GOOD HARD DATA THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AROUND THAT. IN ADDITION, PUBLIC
[17:59] HEALTH HAD DONE SOME INSPECTIONS OF THE SAUNAS. SO ASIDE FROM THE VERY REAL AIR QUALITY CONCERNS,
[18:05] THERE WAS ALSO JUST SOME PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS AROUND THE SAFETY OF THE STRUCTURES
[18:10] THEMSELVES, HOW PEOPLE WERE PARTICIPATING IN THE COLD PLUNGE THAT OFTEN IS ACCOMPANYING THE
[18:17] SAUNA EXPERIENCE, AND THAT THAT WAS BEING DONE IN A CLEAN SANITARY MANNER. AND SO WE SORT
[18:23] OF SIMULTANEOUSLY HAD SOME INTEREST FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO CREATE
[18:31] SOME RULES THAT ALLOWED THESE TO OCCUR BUT IN A WAY THAT MITIGATED SOME OF THE HARMS WE
[18:37] WERE SEEING IN THE POP-UP AD HOC NATURE OF THEM. THIS REALLY IS A
[18:44] CULMINATION OF THAT. WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE PARK BOARD. I BELIEVE 612 SAUNA WAS ENGAGED,
[18:54] WE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM. THEY WERE OPERATORS OF
[18:59] SOME OF THESE TEMPORARY POP-UP SAUNAS. THE COMPONENTS ARE A COUPLE. ONE DEALS WITH THE SMOKE
[19:07] THAT'S BEING CAUSED FROM THE WOOD BURNING NATURE OF THESE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WOOD
[19:13] BURNING SAUNA, THERE'S LIMITS TO HOW LONG THE DURATION, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG IT CAN BE OUT. AND THEN
[19:21] ITS PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. OTHERWISE, IT DOESN'T IN ANY CASE PROHIBIT,
[19:28] YOU JUST HAVE TO USE ELECTRIC SAUNAS IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE
[19:33] NEAR RESIDENTS OR LONGER THAN THREE DAYS. IT CREATES BARE
[19:38] MINIMUM HEALTH AND SAFETY IN TERMS OF LIKE THIS BOX THAT HEATS UP. THAT IT'S DONE IN A
[19:43] WAY THAT'S SAFE AND PEOPLE CAN BE IN THERE SAFELY. THAT WAS REALLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE PARK BOARD BECAUSE THEY DON'T
[19:49] HAVE A MECHANISM TO OVERSEE THAT AND THEY'RE GETTING LOTS OF REQUESTS FOR THESE SAUNAS TO BE
[19:56] PLACED. AND THEY DON'T HAVE A WAY TO MAKE SURE THESE SAUNAS ARE PARTICULARLY SAFE. SO
[20:03] LICENSING THEM IN A WAY WE DO THE FOOD TRUCKS. THEY GET THE
[20:11] LICENSE AND THEY CAN OPERATE AROUND THE PARAMETERS, YOU KNOW, PERMISSION FROM THE PARK BOARD THAT THEY'RE NOT HARMING
[20:17] NEIGHBORS. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY HOW THE COMPONENTS OF THIS WORK. HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU SEPARATELY TOO AND GO OVER IT IN
[20:23] MORE DETAIL. >> THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT CONTEXT. I AGAIN WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE EVIDENCE BEHIND THE 311
[20:29] COMPLAINTS OR THE PROBLEM THAT IS HAPPENING. ALSO CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD AN ENTIRE SAUNA
[20:36] VILLAGE SET UP AT MALCOLM YARDS THE PAST THREE YEARS. HOW WILL
[20:43] THAT EVENT BE IMPACTED BY THIS ORDINANCE WOULD BE ANOTHER QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE DONE OUTREACH WITH MALCOLM YARDS
[20:49] OR THE FESTIVAL, OR SUPERIOR SAUNAS OR EMBRACE NORTH OR SOME OF THESE OTHER FACILITIES.
[20:56] >> CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE HAD DIRECT INTERACTION WITH THEM. THOUGH WE ARE AWARE OF
[21:02] THOSE AND THE MODEL FOR THOSE. AND AGREE, LIKE, THE DIRECTION THAT WE HEARD FROM POLICYMAKERS IS WE WANT TO ALLOW THIS. WE
[21:09] WANT MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO EXPERIENCE SAUNAS, AND
[21:15] THAT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE SPECIAL TO OUR REGION AND TO OUR AREA AND BE PART OF OUR BRAND.
[21:22] THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO PROMOTE. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY OF OUR REGULATIONS
[21:28] PRECLUDE ANY OF THOSE THINGS. QUITE THE CONTRARY. I THINK THE
[21:33] INTENTION IS TO BE CLEAR ON WHERE THEY ARE ALLOWED AND IN FACT THEY ARE ALLOWED IN MORE
[21:38] PLACES, AND TO JUST DEAL WITH SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT WE HAD AROUND THE AIR QUALITY. AND THEN
[21:47] JUST THE BASIC SAFETY AROUND THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES. >> DO YOU KNOW IF THE MALCOLM
[21:54] YARDS FESTIVAL WILL FALL IN THE GAP BY WHICH THEY WON'T BE ALLOWED TO DO WOODFIRE ANYMORE?
[22:02] >> YOU COULD DO THE WOODFIRE FOR THREE DAYS. BEYOND THAT, THEY
[22:07] WOULD BE WITHIN THAT RANGE. SO THEY WOULD EITHER NEED TO BE
[22:12] ELECTRIC SAUNAS OR NOT HAVE THEM THERE. >> OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. THANK
[22:18] YOU, CHAIR OSMAN, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS EXPLANATION HERE TODAY. I WILL ASK MY STAFF TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE MEETING SO I CAN HAVE
[22:24] MORE OF MY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ANSWERED ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT CASES AND SEE WHERE IT'S ADDRESSED IN THE ORDINANCE.
[22:29] THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION YOU'VE DONE. >> THANK YOU. >> VICE CHAIR ELLISON. >> THANK YOU. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK STAFF A LITTLE ABOUT JUST
[22:37] A FEW THINGS. A FEW MORE FOLLOW UPS JUST BASED ON COUNCIL MEMBER
[22:42] CASHMAN'S QUESTIONS THAT I THINK ARE ALL VALID QUESTIONS. ONE IS YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE PASSING. BUT I'M
[22:48] ASSUMING THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF MANUAL THAT SPELLS OUT EXACTLY HOW ENFORCEMENT IS
[22:54] GOING TO GO. JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW YOU GUYS WERE THINKING ABOUT THAT.
[23:03] >> COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON THROUGH THE CHAIR OSMAN. YEAH, WITH ANY LICENSE, BUSINESS
[23:08] LICENSE. BUSINESS LICENSING IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANSWERING COMPLAINTS. MAJORITY OF THOSE
[23:14] COME THROUGH 311. WE FIELD COMPLAINTS FROM NUMEROUS SOURCES. WE DO ANSWER ALL
[23:20] COMPLAINTS AND DO AN INVESTIGATION. WE WILL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WHEN DOING THOSE.
[23:26] >> I THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING UP, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, TO ME
[23:32] IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE ORDINANCE IS DESIGNED TO PROHIBIT SAUNAS SO MUCH AS IT'S
[23:41] DESIGNED SO WE CAN HAVE A MANNER OF CONTROL OVER A NEW HOBBY OR
[23:47] ACTIVITY THAT CAN BE CONTRIBUTING TO POOR AIR QUALITY. THAT I DON'T WANT US TO
[23:54] BE SLOW WALKING OR COMPROMISING ON. BUT I THINK THAT, YOU
[23:59] KNOW -- BUT I DO THINK IF COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE CURIOUS ABOUT HOW IS IMPLEMENTATION IS
[24:05] GOING TO GO OR IF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE IDEAS OF HOW THEY SHOULD GO, OR IF COUNCIL MEMBERS
[24:11] FEEL THERE'S PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. EVERY TIME I'VE WORKED ON TENANT ITEMS, THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW,
[24:17] PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HELD THAT HAVE BEEN PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN STAFF AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO USUALLY ARE THE
[24:23] AUTHORS OF THOSE BILLS. I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT KIND OF
[24:28] ACTIVITY FROM HAPPENING. I THINK IF WE'VE GOT AN APPETITE FOR THAT LEVEL OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT,
[24:34] I DO THINK WE SHOULD GET INVOLVED. AND THEN WHO IS THE CURRENT AUTHOR? I FORGOT WHO IS
[24:39] THE CURRENT AUTHOR OF THIS ORDINANCE? JAMAL. OKAY. IF
[24:45] COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE INTERESTED, I THINK PARTNERING WITH THE AUTHOR AND STAFF AND PULLING
[24:50] TOGETHER A MEETING WHERE THAT CAN HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE
[24:55] TO KNOW FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT ESPECIALLY BECAUSE
[25:01] THERE'S A PUBLIC HEALTH ELEMENT TO BE ACHIEVED. BUT YOU KNOW, WANTED TO GET A SENSE OF HOW
[25:07] YOU'RE FEELING AT THIS POINT. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN HOLDING THIS ITEM A CYCLE, FORWARDING
[25:12] WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION, JUST VOTING AGAINST IT TODAY, AND MAYBE FIGURING WHAT YOU'RE GOING
[25:19] TO DO BY FULL COUNCIL. JUST BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP THESE QUESTIONS AND WOULD LOVE FOR YOU
[25:25] TO GET THESE QUESTIONS ADDRESSED. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. I DO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT
[25:32] HAVING ALL THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED WITH THE AUTHOR AND THE STAFF IN ADVANCE. I THINK THIS
[25:39] WAS JUST INTRODUCED LAST MONTH. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN MOVE QUICKLY. IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S
[25:46] BEEN TIME IN BETWEEN IT BEING NOTICED. I WOULD ASK IF WE COULD HOLD THIS A CYCLE SO WE COULD
[25:53] HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND NOT HAVE IT RUSHED. >> DOES STAFF FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY URGENCY AROUND THIS ITEM?
[25:59] COULD WE HOLD THIS A CYCLE? >> OKAY. GREAT. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION THEN TO CONTINUE THIS A
[26:05] CYCLE. >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION. I THINK IF THE CHAIR WANTS TO HOLD IT AND THERE'S NO
[26:12] OBJECTION, WE CAN DO THAT? >> SURE. WE HAVE BEEN JOINED BY
[26:17] COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS. I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO ECHO
[26:22] SUPPORT TO HOLD THIS A CYCLE. I
[26:27] THINK ESPECIALLY WITH UNIQUE BUSINESS TYPES OR ANY BUSINESS TYPES, WHAT I LEARNED THROUGH
[26:33] THE PROCESS AROUND OUR CANNABIS ORDINANCES IS THERE'S ALWAYS
[26:38] MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE IN TERMS OF WHAT IT TAKES A BUSINESS TO EXECUTE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. AND I THINK WE WOULD GAIN SOME
[26:46] VALUE IN JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE DIFFERENT SAUNA PROPRIETORS TO SEE WHAT
[26:54] MIGHT BE SOME QUESTIONS THEY HAVE. MAYBE THERE'S SOME INPUT THEY COULD PROVIDE THAT WOULD BE
[27:00] VALUABLE TO THIS ORDINANCE AND ITS SUCCESS. YEAH, I THINK ALONG WITH EVERYONE, WANT TO MAKE SURE
[27:06] THIS IS A USE THAT'S POSSIBLE AND WE'RE ALSO ENSURING THE HEALTH OF THE RESIDENTS IN OUR
[27:13] CITY. I DON'T WANT TO UNINTENTIONALLY PREVENT EITHER FROM HAPPENING. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THANK
[27:19] YOU FOR STAFF. I SEE THAT STAFF IS OKAY AND GIVING THE THUMBS UP
[27:24] HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT. WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN
[27:31] 'S MOTION TO HOLD ONE CYCLE ON THIS ITEM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY.
[27:37] THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT
[27:43] PUBLIC HEARING IS MINNEAPOLIS HOMES PROPERTY SALES WHICH APPROVES AND AUTHORIZES LAND
[27:51] SALE AND FINANCIAL AGREEMENT WITH 11 DEVELOPERS. HERE TO PRESENT ON THIS ITEM IS TARA
[27:58] THOMPSON FROM CPED. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME
[28:11] IS TARA THOMPSON AND I'M THE SENIOR COORDINATOR WITH CPED RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE AND
[28:16] DEVELOPMENT TEAM. TODAY, I WILL BE PRESENTING RECOMMENDATIONS
[28:22] FOR AWARDS THROUGH OUR MINNEAPOLIS HOMES PROPERTY PURCHASE AND FINANCING PROGRAM.
[28:27] IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I KINDLY ASK THAT YOU PLEASE HOLD THEM UNTIL THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. TO FRAME TODAY'S
[28:37] DISCUSSION, I WANT TO START OUT WITH THE VALUES AND GOALS BEHIND OUR WORK. THE CITY OF
[28:43] MINNEAPOLIS HAS SEVEN KEY HOUSING STRATEGIES IT EMPLOYS.
[28:49] AND TODAY'S PRESENTATION TOUCHES ON AND/OR INTERSECTS WITH THREE OF THOSE STRATEGIES. STRATEGY 1
[28:55] WHICH IS TO INCREASE HOUSING SUPPLY, DIVERSITY, AND AFFORDABILITY IN ALL
[29:01] NEIGHBORHOODS. STRATEGY FOUR, WHICH IS TO IMPROVE AND SUSTAIN ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HOME
[29:07] OWNERSHIP, PARTICULARLY FOR BLACK, INDIGENOUS, AND PEOPLE OF COLOR, I.E., BIPOC RESIDENTS.
[29:13] AND STRATEGY 7, WHICH IS TO MAXIMIZE POTENTIAL OF
[29:20] PUBLICLY-OWNED LAND TO MEET CITY HOUSING GOALS. SO ENSURE WE ARE REACHING THE HOUSE HOLDS THAT
[29:25] THIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO HELP, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO
[29:30] TALK ABOUT THE MAXIMUM HOUSEHOLD INCOME OUR PROGRAM SERVES. PER
[29:36] OUR GUIDELINES, THE BORROWER'S
[29:44] HOUSEHOLD INCOME MAY NOT EXCEED 80% OF AMI. OPPORTUNITIES ARE ACCESSIBLE TO LOW TO MODERATE
[29:50] INCOME HOUSEHOLDS WHO HAVE HISTORICALLY FACED BARRIERS TO HOME OWNERSHIP. NOW THAT YOU'VE
[29:57] SEEN A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR PROGRAM'S VALUES AND GOALS, LET'S LOOK AT HOW WE EVALUATE
[30:03] PROPOSALS WHEN THEY COME IN. MINNEAPOLIS HOMES REVIEW CRITERIA ARE USED TO HELP US
[30:10] DETERMINE WHICH PROJECTS RECEIVE FINANCING AWARDS. WE EXAMINE EACH PROPOSAL THROUGH A
[30:16] FEASIBILITY AND CAPACITY ANALYSIS, AND IT IS SCORED USING COUNCIL APPROVED CRITERIA THAT
[30:21] CONSISTS OF COST EFFECTIVENESS, ALIGNMENT WITH LOCAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS, SUPPORT FOR
[30:28] EQUITABLE WEALTH BUILDING OPPORTUNITIES, AND INCLUSION OF UNIQUE DESIGN FEATURES THAT ADVANCE CITY GOALS. WITH THE
[30:37] PROGRAM OVERVIEW IN MIND, I WILL NOW PRESENT KEY RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD FOR
[30:43] COUNCIL APPROVAL TODAY. STAFF RECOMMENDS FUNDING 22 PROPOSALS
[30:48] WHICH WILL COLLECTIVELY CREATE 25 UNITS OF HOUSING REPRESENTING
[30:57] AN APPROXIMATE INVESTMENT OF $5.9 MILLION. 24 ARE LOCATED ON
[31:04] CITY-OWNED VACANT LAND. AND ONE IS LOCATED ON PRIVATELY-OWNED LAND. THESE 22 PROPOSALS ARE
[31:11] FROM 12 DEVELOPERS, ALL OF WHOM
[31:16] HAVE PARTICIPATED IN OUR MINNEAPOLIS HOMES PROGRAM DIRECTLY OR THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER. ALSO,
[31:23] ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS BEING PROPOSED FOR PREVIOUSLY AWARDED PROJECT THAT WILL CREATE 10
[31:30] UNITS OF AFFORDABLE OWNERSHIP HOUSING. OF THESE DEVELOPERS,
[31:36] 67% ARE BIPOC-LED. 16% ARE WOMEN-LED. AND THE MAJORITY OF
[31:41] PROPOSALS WHICH IS ABOUT 87% ARE TO DEVELOP SINGLE UNIT
[31:47] DEVELOPMENTS WITH THE REMAINING BEING COMPRISED OF TWO-UNIT PROJECTS THIS ROUND. NEXT SLIDE.
[31:58] THIS ALONG WITH THE FOLLOWING SLIDES HIGHLIGHTS STAFF
[32:04] RECOMMENDATIONS. EACH PROPOSAL REFLECTS OUR JOINT COMMITMENT AND PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR
[32:11] DEVE DEVELOPERS, SOME OF WHOM ARE HERE TODAY, TO EXPANDING HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR CITY. ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS
[32:18] FOR THIS ROUND WILL SERVE 80% AMI HOUSEHOLDS WITH A PREVIOUSLY
[32:24] AWARDED 10-UNIT PROJECT SERVING 60% AMI. OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE
[32:30] AS FOLLOWS, AMANI CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT LLC WILL RECEIVE
[32:36] FUNDING FOR TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND. TWOIE FAMILY HOMES
[32:43] WILL RECEIVE FUNDING FOR ONE PROJECT. WE ARE ALSO
[32:48] RECOMMENDING FUNDING FOR PRG INC. AND FUNDING IS ALSO BEING
[32:56] RECOMMENDED FOR E STOREMASTERS LLC. BUILD WEALTH, MINNESOTA,
[33:02] INC., HAS ALSO BEEN RECOMMENDED TO RECEIVE FUNDING TO CONSTRUCT FOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND
[33:10] GREATER METROPOLITAN HOUSING
[33:16] CORPORATION, IBIZA, LLC, AND JR
[33:23] REMODELERS AND BUILDERS. JOHN
[33:32] AISH, INC. ONE. AND MAGNOLIA
[33:38] HOMES. REFRESH REAL ESTATE LLC HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED AS WELL TO
[33:44] BUILD ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND TWIN CITIES HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, INC., HAS ALSO BEEN
[33:51] RECOMMENDED TO BUILD TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING UNITS. FINALLY, WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT
[33:57] ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO CONSTRUCT A 10-UNIT DEVELOPMENT BY TRIO DEVELOPMENT GROUP, LLC, THAT
[34:04] WILL SERVE 60% AMI HOUSEHOLDS. OKAY. TO CLOSE, I WANT TO
[34:10] HIGHLIGHT THE OVERALL IMPACT OF OUR EFFORTS TO DATE. WITH THE
[34:15] ADDITIONAL UNITS RECOMMENDED TODAY, THE TOTAL CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING
[34:24] INITIATIVES SINCE 2021 TOTALS TO 302 AFFORDABLE UNITS AWARDED
[34:29] THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. THIS WORK REFLECTS NOT ONLY THE DEDICATION OF OUR TEAM AND PARTNERS, BUT THE
[34:37] CITY'S SHARED COMMITMENT TO RACIAL EQUITY AND ECONOMIC INCLUSION THROUGH AFFORDABLE
[34:42] HOMEOWNERSHIP. IN ADDITION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN
[34:48] MAKING THIS PROGRESS POSSIBLE AS WELL. AND THAT ENDS OR CONCLUDES
[34:54] MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. AND I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS.
[34:59] >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT
[35:06] PRESENTATION. BEFORE WE TAKE THE QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE
[35:12] ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM OR THIS PRESENTATION? SEEING NO ONE,
[35:17] I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL ALSO RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE.
[35:22] >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. THAT 10-UNIT COMPLEX
[35:31] IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS, IS THAT OWNER OCCUPIED OR RENTAL? >> THAT WILL BE HOME OWNERSHIP.
[35:37] SO OWNERSHIP. >> CAN YOU SEE HOW BIG MY SMILE IS? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT NEWS.
[35:45] >> DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD TO GET THAT OFF THE
[35:51] GROUND. >> GOOD JOB, ALFRED. >> VICE CHAIR ELLISON.
[35:56] >> YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. YOU KNOW, AS ALWAYS, THIS IS REALLY
[36:02] GREAT WORK. REALLY IMPORTANT WORK. YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A MOMENT WHERE WE HAVE THIS TRACK
[36:10] RECORD OF BEING REALLY GREAT ON HOUSING. IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO ENSURE OPTIONS FOR
[36:17] PEOPLE. YOU KNOW. AND SO JUST ALWAYS AM IMPRESSED BY, YOU
[36:23] KNOW, OUR HOUSING TEAM'S ABILITY TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND PUT EMERGING DEVELOPERS, RESIDENTS,
[36:30] IN A GREAT POSITION TO EXPAND THEIR HOUSING OPTIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU. >> ALSO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
[36:37] THAT PRESENTATION. AND THANK YOU FOR THE HOUSING TEAM FOR WORKING
[36:42] WITH MINORITY, NEW EMERGING DEVELOPERS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, COMPETING THE MARKET, AS YOU
[36:49] KNOW. YOU HAVE BEEN SUPER HELPFUL TO REALLY HELP THEM OUT.
[36:54] YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF
[37:00] EMPTY PARCELS. I DON'T KNOW IF I MISSED THAT PART OF IT. ALL
[37:05] THESE PROPERTIES, ARE THEY GETTING HELP SUBSIDY OR ARE SOME
[37:11] OF THEM -- BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE RECEIVE ONES THAT ARE JUST, YOU
[37:16] KNOW, NOT WITH THE SUBSIDY. ARE THESE INCLUDED? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. YES,
[37:23] SUBSIDIES ARE INCLUDED IN THE FORM OF PROJECT GAP TO HELP OUR
[37:29] EMERGING DEVELOPERS TO MAKE THE PROJECT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE IN
[37:34] ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AND COMPLETE. AND DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT SUBSIDY TO
[37:42] ASSIST RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN LOCKED OUT OF ACCESS TO GAIN
[37:50] AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET INTO THOSE HOMES. >> OKAY. WONDERFUL. AWESOME.
[37:56] GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL MOVE THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL. BUT FIRST, I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL
[38:01] MEMBER JENKINS. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT
[38:09] PRESENTATION. IT IS HOPEFUL AND ENLIGHTENING SEEING THESE
[38:15] PROPERTIES BE REDEVELOPED. I'M CURIOUS, WHAT WAS THE PROCESS FOR SELECTING THE DEVELOPERS?
[38:20] CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? AND SUBSEQUENTLY, HOW WILL
[38:28] WE IDENTIFY POTENTIAL OWNERS? >> OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN,
[38:36] AND THROUGH COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS. SO THE PROCESS ONCE WE RECEIVE THE PROPOSALS WE MEASURE
[38:45] AGAINST WHETHER OR NOT THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE FEASIBLE OR NOT.
[38:51] DOES IT ALSO ALIGN WITH OUR HOUSING GOALS FROM A CITY P
[38:58] PERSPECTIVE. AND THAT CAN BE FOCUSED EITHER DEPENDING ON OUR PROPERTIES FOR THAT ROUND
[39:04] WHETHER THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY, AND WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF INVENTORY. SO MAKING
[39:11] SURE THAT THE AVAILABLE PARCELS ALIGN WITH WHAT CAN BE
[39:17] CONSTRUCTED ON THAT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT NEEDS TO MEET
[39:23] GUIDELINES FOR DESIGN TO ENSURE THAT IT IS AFFORDABLE THROUGHOUT
[39:30] THE LIFE OF OWNERSHIP FOR HOUSEHOLDS. SO WE EXAMINE ALL OF
[39:35] THOSE ASPECTS, AND WE ALSO
[39:43] EVALUATE THE TRACK RECORD OF OUR APPLICANTS TO DETERMINE HOW
[39:48] REALISTIC THE PROCESS WILL BE IN TERMS OF GETTING TO COMPLETION.
[39:54] AND TO ADDRESS YOUR SECOND QUESTION. IN TERMS OF
[40:00] IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL HOMEOWNERS, IN OUR APPLICATION, WE ASK OUR DEVELOPERS TO OUTLINE
[40:11] HOW, WHAT THEIR APPROACH FOR MARKETING AND GETTING THE
[40:17] INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR THOSE TARGETED DEMOGRAPHIC HOUSEHOLDS TO BE ABLE TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S
[40:23] GOING ON, WHAT'S BEING BUILT AND HOW THEY CAN ACCESS THAT. SO IF THEY HAVE A STRONG TRACK RECORD,
[40:29] NUMBER ONE, OR A STRONG PLAN FOR THE NEWLY EMERGENT DEVELOPERS,
[40:37] WE EXAMINE THAT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY MOVE
[40:42] FORWARD. >> SO HAVE BUYERS BEEN IDENTIFIED AT THIS POINT? >> IN SOME INSTANCES, BUYERS CAN
[40:49] BE IDENTIFIED. BUT USUALLY IT'S AFTER THE HOME HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED. AND SO WE'RE MAKING
[40:55] SURE, TOO, THAT THEY TAP IN, THEY'RE ALIGNED WITH THE PLAN THAT THEY OUTLINED IN THEIR
[41:01] APPLICATION. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO ADD
[41:08] WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS WAS ASKING. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
[41:14] FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE ACCESS AVAILABILITY OF HOUSING. WE SUBSIDIZED LARGE APARTMENTS. WE
[41:23] HAVE THIS HOMEOWNERSHIP PROGRAM. MAYBE JUST THE FEEDBACK OF
[41:29] HAVING RESIDENTS BEING ABLE TO ACCESS SOMEWHERE THEY CAN GO. IT
[41:35] CAN BE A CITY WEBSITE TO SAY HEY, THESE ARE THE DEVELOPERS OR
[41:41] COMPANIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. GIVE THEM A CALL. SOME PLACE FOLKS CAN GO. BECAUSE I DO GET
[41:47] MY QUESTIONS FROM THE RESIDENTS WHEN WE BUILT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN
[41:55] WARD 6 AND OTHERS TO SAY WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO BE AVAILABLE? HOW CAN WE ACCESS IT? SOMETIMES
[42:03] WHEN FOLKS DRIVE TO OR WALK TO THAT PROPERTY, THERE'S JUST CONSTRUCTION AND NOT A LOT OF
[42:09] INFORMATION. MAYBE THE CITY CAN DIRECT RESIDENTS TO WHO WE WORK WITH. THAT MIGHT BE JUST FEEDBACK.
[42:14] >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN, FOR THAT COMMENT. >> WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH
[42:19] FOR THAT PRESENTATION. SEEING NO ONE ELSE, WITH THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM, ALL THOSE IN
[42:26] FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES.
[42:31] >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE HERE. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 3 IS APPROVING
[42:39] PAYMENT TO THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SEAT 4. I WILL
[42:45] WELCOME KIMBERLY HOLIEN FROM CPED. WELCOME. >> YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL
[42:51] MEMBER OSMAN. KIMBERLY HOLIEN,
[42:56] THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENT.
[43:02] IT'S A MIDTERM APPOINTMENT. SEAT 4 WAS FILLED BY JOE CAMPBELL.
[43:07] AFTER SEVERAL YEARS OF SERVICE, HE HAD TO STEP DOWN DUE TO SOME TIME COMMITMENTS AT HIS DAY JOB.
[43:15] WE THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE. NOW WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD AN APPOINTMENT. WE WORKED WITH
[43:21] COUNCIL MEMBERS OSMAN AND ELLISON ON THIS. DAVE SHEPPARD IS HERE TODAY. HE HAS EXPERTISE
[43:28] AS AN ARCHITECT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
[43:33] >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELCOME, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> WELCOME. >> CHAIR OSMAN. >> YES, I WANT TO FIRST OPEN THE
[43:40] PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOGNIZE YOU. WELCOME. >> HI. DAVE SHEPPARD. COUNCIL
[43:46] MEMBER OSMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND STAFF, MY NAME IS
[43:52] DAVE SHEPPARD. I MOVED HERE TO
[43:58] MINNEAPOLIS IN 1995. THE LAST SEVEN YEARS HAS BEEN PUBLIC
[44:04] TRANSPORTATION WORK AROUND THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT. SO THAT'S MOST OF MY PROFESSIONAL
[44:11] EXPERTISE. I LIKE TO THINK LIKE MOST ARCHITECTS I BELIEVE
[44:16] PASSIONATELY IN URBANISM. AND I BELIEVE THE 2024 PLAN IS A -- I
[44:24] EMBRACE AS A CITY POSITIVE WORD. AS A WAY OF GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, I'M HAPPY TO
[44:30] VOLUNTEER MY SERVICES TO ADVANCE THAT PROGRAM IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN, AND I'M HONORED TO BE
[44:36] CONSIDERED FOR THE POSITION. AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
[44:42] YOUR TESTIMONY. I WILL RECOGNIZE IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE
[44:47] THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ALSO RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION
[44:52] FOR YOU, DAVID, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS SO MUCH FOR
[45:00] VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME. I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING WITH YOU ON THIS BODY. >> AND I'M IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
[45:06] >> OH, PERFECT. LET'S GO, WARD 12. >> PERFECT.
[45:11] >> VICE CHAIR ELLISON. >> CAN'T SAY IT ANY BETTER. Y GUYS SHOULD GRAB COFFEE, YOU'RE
[45:16] NEIGHBORS, AND COLLEAGUES ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH, JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME. I THINK
[45:22] WE'RE LUCKY AS A CITY TO HAVE FOLKS WITH SUBJECT MATTER
[45:28] EXPERTISE WHO BOTH WORK WITH US AND KNOW PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO VOLUNTEER THEIR
[45:33] TIME TO MAKE SURE NEIGHBORS CAN LIVE IN A WELL-BUILT CITY AND WELL CONSTRUCTED AND WELL
[45:39] CONCEIVED CITY. THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR CONTRIBUTION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. SEEING NO
[45:46] ONE ELSE, I WILL MOVE FOR APPROVAL THIS ITEM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.
[45:51] >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT
[45:56] PUBLIC HEARING IS APPROVING A PERMIT EXPANSION PREMISES LICENSE FOR SUICIDEWALK CAFE FOR
[46:06] BLACK SHEEP COAL FIRED PIZZA. BEFORE WE OPEN THE
[46:13] PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL RECOGNIZE MANAGER AMY LINGO.
[46:18] >> I'M PRESENTING AN APPLICATION FOR BLACK SHEEP COAL FIRED
[46:24] PIZZA, LLC, DOING BUSINESS AS BLACK SHEEP PIZZA. THE BUSINESS
[46:30] IS LOCATED IN THE NORTH LOOP NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS IN WARD 3. THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A
[46:38] PERMANENT EXPANSION AND CAFE LICENSE. THIS BUSINESS CURRENTLY
[46:44] HOLDS A -- THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ENHANCE THEIR
[46:52] SEASONAL DINING WITH DECKING. ACCESSIBILITY AND CURB APPEAL
[46:57] WHILE PROVIDING A FUNCTIONAL OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE. THE NEW CAFE AREA WILL ADD AN ADDITIONAL 24
[47:03] SEATS WHICH WILL BRING THE TOTAL TO 40. THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE THE SAME AS THE
[47:08] CURRENT HOURS OF OPERATION, WHICH IS 11 A.M. TO 10 P.M. ON
[47:14] MAY 28, 2025, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT TO RESIDENTS
[47:21] AND PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 20 FEET, MILL DISTRICT ASSOCIATION, AND COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE.
[47:27] THERE HAVE BEEN NO 311 OR POLICE CALLS THAT CAN BE ATTRIBUTABLE
[47:32] TO THE BUSINESS. RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE EXPANSION OF PREMISES PENDING ALL BUILDING
[47:38] PERMIT APPROVALS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I STAND FOR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THANK
[47:44] YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOGNIZE
[47:56] DAREN ROGERS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR OSMAN AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY
[48:01] NAME IS DAREN ROGERS, I AM THE GENERAL MANAGER OF BLACK SHEEP
[48:07] AT THE NORTH LOOP. WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A NEW PATIO
[48:13] EXPANSION THAT WE THINK WILL ENHANCE OUR SAFETY AS WELL AS A PRIVATE DINING EXPERIENCE FOR OUR GUESTS. WE'VE BEEN IN THE
[48:19] NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ABOUT 17 YEARS, AND WE CONTINUE TO GROW WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WE ARE
[48:24] REALLY, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT. NOT ONLY WILL THIS ENHANCE OUR
[48:30] SEATING, BUT IT WILL ALSO ENHANCE THE CURB APPEAL FOR THE NORTH LOOP NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE
[48:36] GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION OF
[48:42] NORTH LOOP WITH A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS TO ADD ON TO THIS PATIO AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE
[48:50] AND TRY TO BUILD, CONTINUE TO BUILD A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE NORTH LOOP.
[48:55] >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. I WILL SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO
[49:02] SPEAK. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU. I'D LOVE TO GIVE
[49:08] APPROVAL OF THIS. I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION THOUGH. THAT'S ON A SLOPE, AND I DID READ WHERE
[49:15] YOU HAVE SOME IDEAS ON HOW TO TERRACE THAT SLOPE. >> YEAH. SO THAT'S BEEN A VERY BIG ISSUE FOR THE LAST 17 YEARS.
[49:22] WHAT THEY ENDED UP DOING IS PUTTING PICNIC TABLES ALONG SIDE
[49:27] THAT SLOPE. IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF OUR BUILDING. WHAT THAT HAS ACTUALLY DONE IS CREATED
[49:33] MORE OF A PUBLIC SPACE FOR ANY
[49:43] PASSBYERS. PEOPLE GRAB LUNCH AND COME OVER THERE. WHICH WE DON'T REALLY MIND BUT IT BRINGS IN A
[49:48] CROWD THAT MOST OF THE POPULATION IN THE NORTH LOOP DON'T WANT. SO WHAT WE WANT TO
[49:53] DO IS MAKE IT MORE PRIVATE. MAKE IT REALLY SELECTIVE. THIS IS
[49:59] BLACK SHEEP'S PROPERTY. AND HOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT PATIO
[50:05] LAYERS. SO JUST THINK OF BIG STEPS BASICALLY COMING DOWN THAT SLOPE. SO IT'S ALL LEVEL OUT.
[50:11] WITH THE DEEPEST SECTION BEING ABOUT A FOOT TALL. >> GREAT. SO JUST REMEMBER TO
[50:17] PULL PERMITS SO OUR CITY CAN LOOK AT IT, OUR INSPECTORS. >> WE'RE DOING THAT RIGHT KNEW.
[50:23] I'M JUST WAITING ON AN ENGINEER AND ARCHITECT TO SIGN OFF ON OUR
[50:30] PLANS. >> THANK YOU. >> MOVE THE ITEM. >> I WILL.
[50:36] >> WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE'S MOVING THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY.
[50:42] THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. OUR LAST
[50:48] PUBLIC HEARING IS CONSIDERING HOST APPROVAL FOR ISSUANCE OF TAX EXEMPT REVENUE BOND TO THE
[50:56] CITY OF EYOTA FOR MINNEAPOLIS PROJECT LOCATED ON FRANKLIN AVENUE AND COLUMBUS AVENUE.
[51:02] STAFF HAS INFORMED ME THAT THERE HAS BEEN A CONFLICT FOR THIS ITEM'S HOST AND PUBLIC HEARING
[51:09] WILL HAVE TO BE CONTINUED TO OUR NEXT MEETING. SO I WILL BE OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY
[51:14] FOR ANYBODY THAT COME TO SPEAK. AND I WILL BE CONTINUING THIS ITEM ON NEXT MEETING ON JUNE 24,
[51:20] 2025. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE
[51:25] PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK?
[51:32] SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL MOVE THIS ITEM TO CONTINUE
[51:38] TO THE NEXT HOUSING AND ZONING COMMITTEE ON JUNE 24TH. ON THAT
[51:44] MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION
[51:54] CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. OUR NOW WE ARE ON OUR FINAL ITEM WHICH IS CONSIDERING APPROVAL OF MAKING
[52:04] THE GLENDALE HOMES HISTORIC DESIGNATION. IT WAS REFERRED TO THE MEETING JUNE 5TH. I WILL
[52:13] RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. SO I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF
[52:24] DISCUSSION. THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN THE AUTHOR OF THIS TO CONTINUE DOING WORK IN THE COMMUNITY AND WITH MPH. I'M
[52:30] ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE THIS BACK TO -- I'M GOING TO REFER THIS BACK TO STAFF. THIS IS STILL
[52:38] QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. AND I WILL TAP IN OUR ATTORNEY TO ADD ANY
[52:44] FURTHER CONTEXT THAT WE MIGHT NEED AS WE ENGAGE IN THIS ITEM. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, THANK YOU,
[52:53] VICE CHAIR ELLISON. AS WAS MENTIONED THIS, ITEM WAS PREFER
[52:58] REFERRED BACK TO COMMITTEE AT THE JUNE COUNCIL MEETING. IT IS
[53:04] STILL IN QUASI JUDICIAL STATUS. ANY FACTS THAT ARE IN THE
[53:10] RECORD. AS I UNDERSTAND, THE MOTION IS GOING TO BE TO REFER THIS ISSUE BACK TO STAFF. THAT
[53:15] IS A TEMPORARY DISPOSITION, AS YOU KNOW IT WILL COME BACK TO
[53:21] BOTH CPED AND TO THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. STAFF IN BOTH OFFICES
[53:27] WOULD BE HAPPY TO OFFER YOU LEGISLATIVE BRIEFINGS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING EITHER
[53:32] THE PROCESS OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THAT DESIGNATION OR THE FACTS BEFORE YOU IN THE RECORD.
[53:37] >> GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. AND SO YEAH, IF THERE IS ANY DISCUSSION TO BE HAD, THAT'S
[53:44] FINE. BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO REFER THIS BACK TO STAFF, AND I HOPE THAT MY COLLEAGUES WILL SUPPORT IT.
[53:50] >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. SEEING NO ONE ELSE WITH THAT MOTION TO
[53:56] SEND BACK THIS ITEM TO STAFF, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY.
[54:02] THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. SEEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE US, WITH NO
[54:08] OBJECTION, I WILL DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU SO MUCH.