[0:15] >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I CALL TO ORDER THE APRIL 8, 2025, REGULAR MEETING OF THE MINNEAPOLIS HERITAGE [0:21] PRESERVATION COMMISSION. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS [0:26] MARAIS BJORNBERG AND I SERVE AS CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION. JUST A REMINDER TO SILENCE YOUR [0:32] CELL PHONES AND OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND TO SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE WHEN GIVING [0:37] TESTIMONY. WILL THE CLERK CALL THE ROLL SO WE MAY VERIFY THE PRESENCE OF A [0:44] QUORUM. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ALEXANDER. >> PRESENT. >> BOOTE. [0:49] >> PRESENT. >> HERR IS ABSENT. KARATO. [0:54] >> PRESENT. >> MELLBLOM. >> PRESENT. >> THOMAS. >> PRESENT. >> WALLACE IS ABSENT. [1:01] RODRIGUEZ. >> PRESENT. >> VICE CHAIR MASTIN. >> PRESENT. [1:06] >> CHAIR BJORNBERG. >> PRESENT. >> THERE ARE EIGHT MEMBERS [1:12] PRESENT. >> LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT WE DO HAVE QUORUM AND THAT [1:18] COMMISSIONER HERR PROVIDED PROPER NOTICE THAT THEY HAVE A CONFLICT THIS AFTERNOON AND THEIR ABSENCE IS EXCUSED AND ALSO THAT COMMISSIONER WALLACE [1:24] IS NOW IN ATTENDANCE. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO ADOPT THE AGENDA FOR THIS [1:30] MEETING. WE WILL WORK FROM THE AGENDAS THAT ARE AVAILABLE BY THE CLERK AND THE PROPOSED AGENDA IS THE [1:36] FOLLOWING ITEM WILL HAVE STAFF PRESENTATION, PUBLIC COMMENT, AND COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND [1:42] ACTION, ITEM NUMBER FOUR GLENDALE TOWNHOUSES HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION, ADDRESSES [1:48] AS LISTED IN THE AGENDA, WARD 2. COMMISSIONERS, MAY I HAVE A [1:54] MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED [1:59] AGENDA? >> MASTIN SO MOVES. >> IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER [2:04] ALEXANDER. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES] [2:09] >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE AGENDA IS APPROVED. [2:21] OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS WILL BE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR MARCH 18, 2025, MEETING. MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE [2:27] THOSE MINUTES? >> SO MOVED. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM. [2:32] IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, [2:38] BOOTE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [2:43] [CHORUS OF AYES] >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. ANY ABSTENTIONS INCLUDING COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE ABSENT? [2:49] >> KARATO ABSTAINS. >> RODRIGUEZ ABSTAINS. >> THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. [2:56] BEFORE I OPEN THE MEETING TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, LET ME SUMMARIZE THE PROCESS FOR CONDUCTING THE PUBLIC HEARING. [3:01] FIRST, PLANNING STAFF WILL PRESENT ITS REPORTED AND COMMISSIONERS MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF. THEN I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL HEAR FROM [3:08] THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER AND COMMISSIONERS MAY ASK QUESTIONS. LAST, WE WILL INVITE PUBLIC [3:14] COMMENT. COMMISSIONERS WILL NOT ASK QUESTIONS OR RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, WE NEED [3:20] YOU TO DO TWO THINGS; PLEASE BE SURE TO SIGN UP ON THE SHEET OVER BY THE CLERK. [3:26] IF YOU HAVE SIGNED UP, I WILL CALL YOUR NAME TO TESTIFY. IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE THIS ALREADY, YOU CAN DO SO [3:32] AFTERWARDS. WHEN YOU COME UP TO TESTIFY, YOU MUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS [3:38] FOR THE RECORD. PLEASE KEEP COMMENTS SPECIFIC TO THE APPLICATION BEFORE US. TONIGHT WE HAVE A STRICT 6:00 P.M. MEETING END TIME AS [3:44] REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, SO I WILL LIMIT PUBLIC COMMENTS TO TWO MINUTES EACH AND ASK THAT YOU [3:49] FOCUS ON NEW INFORMATION NOT ALREADY PRESENTED. IF YOU HAVE MATERIALS TO HAND [3:55] OUT, PLEASE GIVE THEM TO OUR COMMITTEE CLERK SO THAT THEY CAN BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. [4:01] DO NOT APPROACH THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE DAIS. AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE COMPLETE, I WILL CLOSE THE HEARING AND COMMISSIONERS WILL [4:08] DELIBERATE AND ACT ON THE APPLICATION BEFORE US. THAT IS WHAT THE TIMER WILL SOUND LIKE. [4:17] OUR FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 4, GLENDALE TOWNHOUSES HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION. [4:23] THIS APPLICATION IS FOR LOCAL [4:28] DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC DISTRIBUTE THE STAFF REPORT IS PRESENTED BY ROB SKALECKI. [4:41] >> THANK YOU, CHAIR BJORNBERG. AND GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ROB SKALECKI, SENIOR [4:50] CITY PLANNER IN THE PLANNING DIVISION. TODAY I AM PRESENTING THE DESIGNATION STUDY OF THE [4:55] GLENDALE TOWNHOUSES HISTORIC DISTRICT. GLENDALE TOWNHOMES AS COMMONLY [5:01] KNOWN TODAY IS A MULTIFAMILY HOUSING COMPLEX CONSISTING OF 13 [5:06] ACRES OF LAND IN THE PROSPECT PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. THE MINNEAPOLIS HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY WHICH [5:11] LATER BECAME THE MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY HIRED LARSON & McCLAREN TO DESIGN THE [5:22] COMPLEX. CONSTRUCTED AT THE EDGE OF PROSPECT PARK, THE PROPERTY [5:28] KNOWN AS GLENDALE TOWNHOUSES WAS DESIGNED TO FOLLOW THE CHARACTER OF THE PROSPECT PARK [5:36] NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LINEAR STREETS, SIDEWALKS, GRASS BOULEVARDS, WHILE PROPERTIES WERE DESIGNED WITH LARGE LAWNS, [5:42] GREENSPACES, AND PLAYGROUNDS BETWEEN BUILDINGS. THESE BUILDINGS ARE RELATIVELY UNIFORM BETWEEN 1 AND 2 STORIES, [5:49] AND THEY FEATURE SIX DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS WITH 1 TO 4 BEDROOMS AND THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETED IN 1952. [6:00] RECTANGULAR FLOOR PLAN WITH A FRONT PORTICO, THEY RETAINED THEIR ORIGINAL BRICK VENEER [6:12] PLATTING. THE ASBESTOS SIDING WAS REPLACED IN 1989. THE BUILDINGS ORIGINALLY HAD FLAT ROOFS WITH FLAT ROOF [6:19] PORTICOS. BUT THOSE WERE REPLACED WITH THE HIP ROOFS AND THE GALA ROOFS OVER THE PORTICOS. [6:25] THE MAIN BUILDINGS WERE REPLACED IN 1972. AND THE PORTICO ROOFS REPLACED [6:31] TO THE CURRENT GABLE FORM WERE DONE IN 1989. WINDOWS WERE ALSO REPLACED ON ALL BUILDINGS. [6:37] BUT THESE HISTORIC OPENINGS DO REMAIN. THE POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT [6:42] WAS ASSESSED FOR SIGNIFICANCE BY THE MINNESOTA STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE IN 2015 IN [6:48] RESPONSE TO A PROACTIVE APPROACH BY THE MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY TO EVALUATE THE PROPERTY IN ANTICIPATION OF [6:53] A FEDERALLY-FUNDED PROJECT WHICH WOULD TRIGGER SECTION 106 ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. [7:00] THE STATE PRESERVATION OFFICE DETERMINED THAT THE PROPERTY LACKED SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC [7:08] INTEGRITY TO BE LISTED IN THE REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AT THAT TIME. IN MAY 2024, ROBIN WANSLEY, [7:15] COUNCIL MEMBER FOR WARD 2, NOMINATED IT FOR CONSIDERATION AS A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. [7:20] THE NOMINATION WAS HEARD AT THE JUNE 4, 2024, HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING. [7:26] STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE NOMINATION BASED ON EVIDENCE THAT WAS COMPILED IN THE 2019 [7:34] GLENDALE TOWNHOUSES HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION STUDY WHICH CONCLUDED THE PROPERTIES DID NOT APPEAR ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT STATUS DUE TO [7:40] A LOSS OF HISTORIC INTEGRITY. NOT WITHSTANDING STAFF [7:45] RECOMMENDATION, THE HPC APPROVED THE NOMINATION AND DIRECTED THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TO PREPARE A [7:51] DESIGNATION STUDY OF THE GLENDALE TOWNHOUSES HISTORIC DISTRICT BASED ON THE FOLLOWING [7:56] FINDINGS; ONE, BASED ON CRITERIA ONE, THE CITY'S FIRST AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT AND IN THAT [8:02] MATTER, THE CITY HAS HAD CULTURAL AND SOCIAL RELEVANCE AND IMPORTANCE, AND SECONDLY THAT BASED ON CRITERION FIVE THE [8:09] EXISTING SITE RETAINS THE INTENTIONALITY OF THE LANDSCAPE AND VOLUMETRIC SENSIBILITY WHICH [8:17] WAS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR LANDSCAPE FEATURES. STAFF HAVE RECEIVED ABOUT 85 [8:23] WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO SUPPORT THE DESIGNATION OF THIS HISTORIC [8:28] DISTRICT. ABOUT 50 OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE PUBLISHING OF THE STAFF REPORT, SO YOU DID HAVE THOSE IN THE STAFF REPORT. [8:34] THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMENTS WERE INCLUDED FOR CONSIDERATION IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. [8:47] AS STATED, IN THE 2019 DESIGNATION STUDY, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE DISTRICT APPEARS TO MEET AT LEAST ONE OF [8:54] THE SEVEN CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION CONTAINED IN SECTION [8:59] 599210 OF THE ORDINANCE. HOWEVER THE DESIGNATION STUDY ALSO CONCLUDED THAT IT LACKS [9:07] INTEGRITY TO BE CONSIDERED FOR DESIGNATION STATUS. [9:13] IT STATES IT'S SIGNIFICANT IN THE AREAS OF SOCIAL HISTORY AND COMMUNITY PLANNING FOR ITS ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE [9:19] HOUSING IN MINNEAPOLIS. CONSTRUCTED UNDER THE NEWLY FORMED MINNEAPOLIS AND HOUSING AUTHORITY, GLENDALE IS THE FIRST [9:27] PUBLIC HOUSING COMPLEX BUILT IN MINNEAPOLIS IN RESPONSE TO THE HOUSING SHORTAGE AFTER WORLD WAR II. [9:32] CONSIDERABLE PLANNING WENT INTO THE GLENDALE PROJECT BY THE MINNEAPOLIS HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TO PLAN, [9:38] CONSTRUCT, AND MANAGE THIS PUBLIC HOUSING PROJECT WHICH ESTABLISHED A SOCIAL, A [9:46] ARCHITECTURAL AND ORGANIZATIONAL PRECEDENT. THERE ARE SIGNIFICANCE UNDER CRITERION FIVE THAT THE [9:53] POTENTIAL GLENDALE HOUSING HISTORIC DISTRICT IS SIGNIFICANT UNDER CRITERION FIVE FOR ITS APPROACH TO PUBLIC HOUSING AND [9:59] ITS DEVELOPMENT IN LANDSCAPE DESIGN. THE DESIGNATION STUDY AGAIN HAS [10:05] STATED THAT THE PROPERTIES HAD SIGNIFICANCE, HOWEVER IN ORDER TO BE LOCALLY DESIGNATED, THEY [10:10] MUST MAINTAIN SIGNIFICANCE AND INTEGRITY. THESE LATER ALTERATIONS HAVE [10:21] DIMINISHED THE COMPLEX AS A POST WORLD WAR II HOUSING COMPLEX. IN THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION, YOU [10:26] CAN SEE SOME OF THE COMPARISONS WITH THE DIFFERENT ROOF SHAPES [10:31] AND CLADDING MATERIALS THAT WERE CHANGED OVER TIME. THE PRESERVATION CHAPTER OF THE [10:36] MINNEAPOLIS CODE OF ORDINANCES ALSO REQUIRES THAT IT BE SUBMITTED TO THE MINNESOTA STATE [10:42] PRESERVATION OFFICE FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT. COMMISSIONERS SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A MEMO FROM STAFF THAT [10:53] EXPLAINS WHAT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE STATE'S PRESERVATION OFFICE. [10:59] THEY DATED IT MARCH 14TH, AND INTENDED TO SEND IT TO STAFF ON [11:06] THAT DATE. BUT SOMEHOW IT DIDN'T GET SENT AT THAT TIME. SO WHEN WE INQUIRED LAST WEEK, [11:12] SPO, RESPONDED AND WAS ABLE TO SEND THAT AS SOON AS WE REQUESTED IT. IN THEIR LETTER, THEY DO NOTE [11:17] WHAT STAFF HAS NOTED THAT THERE IS SIGNIFICANCE THERE, BUT THE PROPERTIES DO LACK HISTORIC [11:22] INTEGRITY AND THE STATE PRESERVATION OFFICE NOTES THAT FOR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT STATUS, THE PROPERTIES DO NOT [11:28] SEEM TO BE GOOD CANDIDATES FOR LOCAL DESIGNATION BASED ON THE LACK OF HISTORIC INTEGRITY. [11:35] STAFF ALSO ARE REQUIRED TO PRESENT THE DESIGNATION IN FRONT OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. [11:42] SO STAFF DID THIS AT THEIR RECENT MEETING AND AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE [11:48] WAS REALLY NO CLEAR CONSENSUS AMONG MEMBERS THERE. [11:54] THERE WERE DIFFERING OPINIONS ABOUT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION LOCALLY IS AND THE USE OF DISTRICT STATUS AS A TOOL TO [12:01] COMMEMORATE THE SIGNIFICANCE HERE. SO THOSE ARE SUMMARIZED BRIEFLY JUST FOUR POINTS. [12:08] FOR COMMISSIONERS IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE WERE TWO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE AGAINST THE DESIGNATION. [12:15] ONE THAT WAS FOR THE DESIGNATION AND ONE THAT WAS MAYBE UNDECIDED BUT UNDERSTOOD BOTH SIDES OF [12:21] WHERE THERE CAN BE SIGNIFICANCE, BUT ALSO LACKING HISTORIC INTEGRITY. SO WITH THAT, STAFF IS [12:29] RECOMMENDING THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RECOMMENDS THAT THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION [12:34] AND CITY COUNCIL ADOPT STAFF FINDINGS FOR THE LOCAL DESIGNATION OF THE GLENDALE [12:41] TOWNHOUSES HISTORIC DISTRICT GENERALLY BOUNDED BY WILLIAMS [12:46] AVENUE SOUTHEAST ON THE EAST AND ST. MARY'S PLACE ON THE SOUTH. AND RECOMMENDED THE HERITAGE [12:52] PRESERVATION COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DENY THE LOCAL DESIGNATION OF THE GLENDALE TOWNHOUSES HISTORIC [12:59] DISTRICT. AS STAFF, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT I KNOW A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS DID SHOW UP TODAY AND [13:04] WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS WELL. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE AS WELL AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AFTER STAFF. THANK YOU. [13:11] >> THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? [13:21] OKAY, THANK YOU. I'LL NOW OPEN -- SORRY, ONE [13:29] QUESTION. SORRY FOR THE DELAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. SKALECKI. I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION [13:35] REGARDING POLICY 92 IN THE REPORT, IT STATES THAT GLENDALE [13:42] HAS COMPROMISED HISTORIC INTEGRITY AND WOULD NOT BE THE BEST EXAMPLE OF PUBLIC HOUSING UNDER THE CONFINES OF LOCAL [13:48] HISTORIC DISTRICTS. DO WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE OR WHAT WOULD BE BETTER [13:54] IN MINNEAPOLIS TO CONVEY THAT? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR BJORNBERG, AND COMMISSIONER MASTIN. [14:01] AT THIS TIME, I AM NOT RECALLING EXACTLY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANDREA BURKE, [14:07] STAFF, HAS A MEMORY OF THAT. BUT WHEN WE DO LOOK AT HISTORIC DISTRICTS OVERALL IF THERE IS A [14:14] LACK OF HISTORIC INTEGRITY, THAT'S KIND OF A COMMON PHRASE THAT WE WILL USE ESPECIALLY WHEN [14:20] CONSIDERING ONES THAT HAVE HAD THEIR ROOF SHAPES ALTERED TO THIS EXTENT. [14:25] SO AT THIS TIME, I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT REMEMBERING OTHER EXAMPLES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [14:32] >> DOES STAFF HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR BJORNBERG, AND COMMISSIONER MASTIN. [14:38] I'M ANDREA BURKE, THE SUPERVISOR FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, WE [14:44] DO NOT HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THAT IS [14:49] EXTANT OR WOULD REPRESENT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF PUBLIC HOUSING IN MINNEAPOLIS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. [14:55] >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER WALLACE. >> THANK YOU. [15:00] I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE TO START OFF THERE, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. [15:07] I JUST HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION. HAVE ANY OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS BEEN TORN DOWN ALL [15:12] TOGETHER OR IS IT MOSTLY THE ALTERATIONS THAT YOU MENTIONED WHEN YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE LOSS [15:19] OF HISTORIC INTEGRITY? >> CHAIR BJORNBERG, COMMISSIONER WALLACE, IT IS THE ALTERATIONS. [15:25] I BELIEVE ALL OF THE BUILDINGS ARE STILL THERE THAT WERE ORIGINAL. [15:30] >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? [15:38] COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ. >> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO THE ROOF SHAPES. [15:45] I'M MORE INTERESTED IN WHY ONLY 1952 KIND OF THROUGHOUT THIS [15:51] PROCESS HAS BEEN DETERMINED AS THE YEAR OF SIGNIFICANCE AND WHY IT HASN'T BEEN EXTENDED INTO THE [15:59] 1970s. I UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHEN IT STARTED, THE 1970s HASN'T REACHED THE 50 YEAR PERIOD, BUT [16:06] NOW THEY HAVE. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OR HAS THERE BEEN THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS ANY CONSIDERATION OF [16:12] EXPANDING THE PERIOD THAT MIGHT INCLUDE THESE ROOF ALTERATIONS IN THE 1970s WHICH WERE WITHIN THE PAST 50 YEARS AT THIS POINT? [16:20] >> THANK YOU. CHAIR BJORNBERG, COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN DRAFTING THE STAFF [16:29] REPORT, THE SIGNIFICANCE IDENTIFIED FOR THE PROPERTIES WAS REALLY BASED IN THEIR POST WORLD WAR II HOUSING [16:34] DEVELOPMENT, SO SPECIFICALLY TO THE 1950s ERA OF WHEN THAT SIGNIFICANCE IS IDENTIFIED. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE [16:44] CRITERION OF SIGNIFICANCE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT IS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT OF THAT ERA OF HOUSING. SO CHANGES THAT HAVE MADE [16:50] FOLLOWING THAT ARE WHAT WE CONSIDER TO HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE INTEGRITY OF THE [16:57] BUILDINGS FROM THAT 1952 DATE. [17:04] DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? [17:13] OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD THEY LIKE TO SPEAK? [17:26] OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE, [17:33] STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [17:44] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ABDUL HASSANI. [17:52] MY OFFICE ADDRESS IS 1001 WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH. [18:03] THANK YOU, CAN I START? COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY [18:09] TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GLENDALE. GLENDALE TOWNHOMES WAS DEVELOPED [18:17] IN 1952. 2,000 FAMILIES HAVE CALLED GLENDALE HOME SINCE ITS [18:23] INCEPTION. IT IS MPHA'S LARGEST HOLDING AT 12 ACRES LOCATED IN ONE OF [18:33] MINNEAPOLIS'S NEIGHBORHOODS. I WANT TO FOCUS TODAY NOT ON THE BUILDINGS, NOT ON THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT ON [18:40] THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN GLENDALE AND THE NEED OF GLENDALE. GLENDALE IS HOME TO 600 LOW [18:48] INCOME RESIDENTS. 89% ARE BLACK AND AFRICAN AMERICAN. 41% ARE FAMILIES OF FIVE OR [18:55] MORE. 20% OF HOUSEHOLDS REPORTED A DISABLED FAMILY MEMBER. [19:02] 80% ARE ELDERLY. AND 60% OF HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS [19:09] HAVE A MEDIAN INCOME OF $40,000. NOW THEY HAVE USED GLENDALE [19:15] RESIDENTS TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S INTERESTS. WHEN GLENDALE WAS BUILT IN 1952, [19:21] IT WAS SUPPORTED IN LARGE PART BECAUSE IT WAS A BUFFER ZONE FROM THE ENCROACHING INDUSTRIAL [19:27] AREA. DURING THE GREEN LINE TRANSIT AREA PLANNING, NEIGHBORS PUSHED TO LIMIT HEIGHT ALLOWANCE OF [19:35] GLENDALE DESPITING ZONING OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS. IT MEANT DENSITY FOR ME BUT NOT [19:42] DENSITY FOR THEE. WHEN THEY BEGAN TO DISCUSS OPPORTUNITIES WITH GLENDALE RESIDENTS A DECADE AGO, PROSPECT [19:49] PARK NEIGHBORS FIERCELY OPPOSED THIS EFFORT. BORN FROM THIS OPPOSITION WAS [19:55] THE IDEA OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF GLENDALE. NEIGHBORS PROMISED DESIGNATION [20:00] WOULD SAVE GLENDALE HOMES AND PRESERVE SECTION 9 FUNDING. AS YOU KNOW, IT DOES NOT. [20:11] NEIGHBORS CONNECTED OVER FEARS OF DISPLACEMENT AND LOSS OF HOUSING TO THE HISTORIC [20:16] PRESERVATION. THIS FERMENTED UNFOUNDED AND UNSUBSTANTIATED FEAR AMONG RESIDENTS LEADING TO A DECADE [20:22] LONG STRUGGLE BETWEEN MPHA AND ITS RESIDENTS. HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS SIMPLY [20:27] THE MOST RECENT ATTEMPT BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE GLENDALE TO PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS. [20:34] NOW, ALL OF THE EXPERTS INCLUDING THE CITY, THE STATE, AND THE PRESERVATION [20:39] ORGANIZATIONS AGREE THAT GLENDALE DOES NOT MERIT HISTORIC [20:45] DESIGNATION. TIME AND TIME AGAIN THIS HAS BECOME THE FACT. HOWEVER, EXPERTS RECOGNIZE THAT [20:51] GLENDALE'S CULTURAL AND SOCIAL HISTORIC SHOULD BE PRESERVED. MPHA STRONGLY AGREES WITH THIS. [20:59] HOWEVER, LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION DOES NOTHING TO PRESERVE THE STORIES OF GLENDALE AND ITS RESIDENTS. [21:06] IT ONLY RESTRICTS HOW MPHA CAN INVEST IN THESE HOMES. [21:13] COMMISSIONERS, GLENDALE NEEDS HELP. THE CAPITAL BACKGROUND OF [21:18] GLENDALE IS $22 MILLION. GLENDALE COMPRISES LESS THAN 3% [21:24] OF MPHA'S PORTFOLIO, BUT 8% OF THE BACKLOG. [21:29] FOLLOWING DECADES OF FEDERAL DISINVESTMENT, THESE PROPERTIES REQUIRE MAJOR CAPITAL INFUSION. [21:35] NEARLY A DECADE AGO, MPHA ADDRESSED GLENDALE RESIDENTS FOR POSSIBLE REDEVELOPMENT, BUT WAS [21:42] VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RECENTLY WE BEGAN TO TALK TO OUR [21:48] RESIDENTS, AND WE BELIEVE THE VISION OF GLENDALE SHOULD BE LED BY ITS RESIDENTS. [21:54] MPHA LED LISTENING SESSIONS WITH RESIDENTS TO SEE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS AND AMENITIES THEY [22:00] WOULD PRIORITIZE IN MANY RENOVATIONS. WE'VE HEARD MANY STORIES, MAINLY THE LACK OF ACCESSIBILITY [22:06] LIMITING WHEELCHAIR-BOUND RESIDENTS. FAMILIES WITH MANY CHILDREN SHARING A SINGLE BATHROOM. [22:12] EIGHT OR MORE CHILDREN WITH ONE BATHROOM AND NO SPACE TO EAT TOGETHER AS A FAMILY. [22:17] THE NEED FOR BETTER INDOOR AIR QUALITY AND AIR-CONDITIONING AND THE NEED FOR OUR AGING RESIDENTS [22:23] TO AGE IN PLACE. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE HEARD [22:28] FEARS AND YOU WILL HEAR TODAY MANY FEARS OF THE FACT THAT FOLKS ARE AFRAID OF DISPLACEMENT [22:34] AND THEY WANTED TO KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE WELCOMED BACK TO GLENDALE FOLLOWING ANY REDEVELOPMENT. [22:40] MPHA WOULD NOT DISPLACE OUR RESIDENTS AGAINST THEIR WILL AND THE AGENCY HAS A TRACK RECORD OF [22:48] HONORING THIS COMMITMENT OF NO INVOLUNTARY DISPLACEMENT. [22:54] ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE MANY RESIDENT RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS BOTH AT THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE LEVEL. [23:00] NOW WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR RESIDENTS AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE [23:05] SCREEN SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT THEY'VE HAD, AND WE DOCUMENTED IT IN THAT SLIDE. [23:11] NOW, IN FEBRUARY, MPHA STAFF PRESENTED FOUR INITIAL [23:18] RENOVATIONS FOR RESIDENTS TO COMMENT AND FEEDBACK. THESE ARE NOT FINAL PLANS, THEY'RE EXAMPLES OF WAYS FORWARD [23:24] TO GAUGE THE RESIDENTS. THEY MARK A BEGINNING OF CONVERSATION FOR THE FUTURE OF [23:30] GLENDALE. NOW, AS HISTORIC DESIGNATION COMMISSIONERS WOULD LOCK [23:37] RESIDENTS IN 70-YEAR-OLD HOMES THAT DO NOT MEET THEIR NEEDS. AND IT WOULD BLOCK FAMILIES FROM [23:42] PRIORITIES AS LISTED. A HISTORIC DESIGNATION STOPS GLENDALE RESIDENTS FROM GETTING [23:47] GENERATIONAL INVESTMENT THAT THEY NEED. IT ALSO CONTINUES THE DARK [23:53] LEGACY OF OUR CITY INREDLINING GLENDALE AND PREVENTING MAJOR INVESTMENT. [24:00] LET'S NOT PERPETUATE THIS SHAMEFUL LEGACY. SINCE THE 1930s, PROSPECT PARK [24:07] NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN A DESIRABLE, WHITE, AND AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOOD. WHILE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AT [24:14] GLENDALE WAS DESIGNATED HAZARDOUS, LESS DESIRABLE, AND [24:21] LOCKING RESIDENTS OUT OF FHA [24:29] MORTGAGES. THIS IS A MODERN DAY ATTEMPT AT REDLINING. COMMISSIONERS, REDLINING IS A [24:35] PRACTICE IN WHICH FINANCIAL SERVICES ARE WITHHELD FROM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF RACIAL OR [24:42] ETHNIC MINORITIES. MPHA OPPOSES THIS MODERN DAY ATTEMPT AT REDLINING TO STOP A [24:51] GENERATIONAL INVESTMENT IN GLENDALE THAT RESIDENTS NEED AND DESERVE. I WOULD REMIND YOU, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE 10,000 RESIDENTS [25:00] THAT MPHA HOUSES ARE BLACK AND AFRICAN AMERICAN. MPHA WORKS TIRELESSLY TO RECTIFY [25:07] THE HISTORIC TRAUMAS INFLICTED ON BLACK FAMILIES IN WHAT HAS [25:14] BEEN TERMED THE JIM CROW OF THE NORTH. WE OPPOSE THIS ATTEMPT TO [25:19] INFLICT ANOTHER HARM ON AN ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY BLACK COMMUNITY USING A CENTURY-OLD [25:25] CITY TOOL. GLENDALE'S LEGACY OF REDLINING [25:30] IS ON DISPLAY TODAY WHERE A COMMUNITY OF ALMOST ENTIRELY BLACK FAMILIES LIVE IN [25:37] 70-YEAR-OLD HOMES WITH $22 MILLION IN REPAIR NEEDS. MEANWHILE THE COMMUNITY ON BOTH SIDES OF GLENDALE ENJOY MAJOR [25:45] AFLUENCY, INVESTMENT, AND OPPORTUNITY. IN THE MAP ABOVE, YOU CAN SEE GLENDALE IN THE RED EXISTS [25:50] BETWEEN TWO HIGHLY AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN PROSPECT PARK. TO THE NORTH IN THE BLUE, YOU [25:59] CAN SEE THE MAX APARTMENTS. A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH UNIT, THE MINIMUM IN $2,075. [26:09] THE AVERAGE HOUSELD RENT IN GLENDALE IS $621 AND NOT A [26:14] SINGLE FAMILY HOUSEHOLD HAS THE LUXURY OF AN EXTRA BATHROOM EVEN THOUGH THOSE CHILDREN AND [26:20] FAMILIES NEED IT. TO THE EAST ON THE GREEN IS THE [26:26] FAMILY HOMES WITH A MEDIAN MARKET VALUE OF $458,000. NOW THE MEDIAN HOUSE IN [26:32] MINNEAPOLIS IS VALUED AT $329,000. AND 67% OF THE GLENDALE [26:40] HOUSEHOLDS HAVE A MEDIAN INCOME OF $31,000. A HISTORIC DESIGNATION CODIFIES [26:46] THIS LEGACY OF REDLINING IN GLENDALE SHUTTING OUT GENERATIONAL INVESTMENTS AND [26:52] IMPROVEMENTS. NOW THERE IS A WAY FORWARD, A SIMPLE WAY FORWARD, A WAY TO [26:57] HELP THE 600 RESIDENTS AT GLENDALE. THAT IS STOP THIS MODERN DAY ATTEMPT AT REDLINING BY AN [27:03] AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND INSTEAD, LET THE 600 RESIDENTS AT GLENDALE SHAPE THE [27:09] FUTURE OF THEIR HOMES. NEIGHBORS HAVE PMISED DESIGNATION WHICH SAVE GLENDALE [27:15] HOMES AND PRESERVE SECTION 9 PUBLIC HOUSING, CONNECTING THESE FALSE CLAIMS TO THE FEAR IT IS OF OUR RESIDENTS OF DISPLACEMENT [27:23] AND YOU KNOW THAT THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION DOES NOT GIVE THOSE [27:30] PROTECTIONS. ALSO PLEASE, LET MPHA COCREATE THE FUTURE OF GLENDALE WITH THE [27:37] RESIDENTS AND MAKE THAT INVESTMENT IN GLENDALE FAMILIES THAT THEY NEED AND DESERVE. ALSO I WANT TO REMIND EACH ONE [27:43] OF YOU HERE, LET MPHA ADDRESS THE CITY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS AND BUILD MORE FAMILY [27:49] HOMES. MPHA'S WAITING LIST FOR FAMILY HOMES SITS AT 4,300. [27:57] THAT'S 4,300 FAMILIES THAT NEED A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS. [28:02] WE OPENED OUR WAITING LIST BACK IN OCTOBER FOR FIVE DAYS AFTER [28:08] THREE YEARS, AND RECEIVED 3,300 NEW APPLICANTS. THAT'S 3,300 EXTRA FAMILIES IN [28:14] FIVE DAYS. A HISTORIC DESIGNATION STOPS MPHA FROM BUILDING NEW [28:20] DESPERATELY NEEDED DEEPLY AFFORDABLE FAMILY HOUSING IN AN AFFLUENT AND MEDIANLY RICH [28:28] NEIGHBORHOOD. THE CHOICE IS SIMPLE. COMMISSIONERS, THE CHOICE IS SIMPLE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. [28:34] YOU CAN LET THE GLENDALE RESIDENTS SHAPE THEIR OWN FUTURE. DO WE BUILD MORE FAMILY HOMES [28:40] AND TAKE PEOPLE OFF THE WAITING LIST, OR DO WE PRESERVE THE CITY'S SHAMEFUL LEGACY OF [28:45] SEGREGATION, OF REDLINING, AND LET THE PROSPECT PARK ASSOCIATION STOP GLENDALE [28:51] RESIDENTS FROM GETTING THE GENERATIONAL INVESTMENT THEY DESERVE. PUBLIC HOUSING IS NOT A THEORY, [28:57] THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST. IT'S REAL HOMES. IT'S ACCESSIBILITY. IT'S AGING IN PLACE. [29:04] AND IT'S THE NEEDS OF THE CHILDREN IN GLENDALE FOR EXTRA BATHROOMS AND EXTRA SPACE AND CLEAN AIR. [29:10] SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. I HOPE THAT YOU MAKE THE RIGHT [29:15] DECISION TODAY, THANK YOU. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HERE TO ANSWER. I DO APOLOGIZE. [29:21] >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER? [29:35] COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. BUT FIRST I GUESS I'M CURIOUS [29:40] WHAT YOU MEAN BY GENERATIONAL INVESTMENT AND HOW THAT DIRECTLY [29:46] BENEFITS -- I GET FROM AN AMENITIES STANDPOINT, HAVING AN EXTRA BATHROOM, HAVING CLEAN [29:53] INDOOR AIR QUALITY, HAVING SINGLE-STORE LIVING OPTIONS FOR THOSE THAT CAN AGE IN PLACE. [29:59] I GET THAT THOSE COULD ALL BE POTENTIAL BENEFITS. THE GENERATIONAL INVESTMENT [30:06] THOUGH, IS THERE A PATHWAY TO OWNERSHIP? I GUESS I'M CONFUSED AS TO HOW [30:12] THAT HAS A DIRECT BENEFIT TO THESE RESIDENTS? [30:18] >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WHAT THIS DECISION TODAY DOES IS [30:23] IT LIMITS WHAT WE CAN DO IN GLENDALE. IT LIMITS US ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS. [30:31] THE PREVIOUS CITY STAFFER MENTIONED THAT GLENDALE WAS BUILT IN 1952. IT WAS BUILT FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEMOGRAPHIC. [30:36] THE HOUSES ARE TOO SMALL FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WE'VE HEARD STORIES, ESPECIALLY [30:43] 39% ARE FAMILIES AND LARGE FAMILIES. WE'VE HEARD STORIES THAT ONE LADY SAID TO ME, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR WAITING LIST. [30:49] AND REMEMBER EVERY MORNING WE [30:54] HAVE A WAITING LIST TO GO TO THE BATHROOM. THE DESIGN DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENTS THAT [30:59] LIVE THERE. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE NEED TO INVEST IN THIS AREA TO DESIGN HOMES THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF THE [31:05] DEMOGRAPHIC THAT LIVE THERE CURRENTLY. AND ALSO THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT ARE ON OUR WAITING LIST. WE NEED LARGER HOMES. [31:11] WE NEED FIVE-BEDROOM HOMES IN GLENDALE. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE. WE NEED ONE-BEDROOM HOMES IN [31:18] GLENDALE THAT ARE DISABLED ACCESSIBLE FOR OUR SENIORS TO AGE IN PLACE. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE. WE HAVE CHILDREN AND ADULTS WHO [31:24] HAVE WHEELCHAIRS AND THERE'S NO ACCESSIBILITY. ALL OF THESE THINGS IS THE [31:30] GENERATIONAL INVESTMENT. AND ALSO I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT PROSPECT PARK IS A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. [31:35] IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT HAS THE LIGHT RAIL, IT HAS THE UNIVERSITY. THERE ARE A LOT OF AMENITIES. [31:40] THE PARK IS RIGHT THERE. WE HAVE A HEAD START. IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE TO RAISE [31:45] CHILDREN. BUT THESE CHILDREN ARE BEING RAISED IN BUILDINGS WITH BAD AIR-CONDITIONING, NO CLEAN AIR. [31:52] THEY'RE BEING RAISED IN BUILDINGS THAT ARE CRAMPED, THAT NEED A LOT OF WORK, ROOFS THAT [31:57] ARE LEAKING, BASEMENTS THAT ARE FLOODING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN. [32:03] IF WE REALLY INVEST IN GLENDALE AND DESIGN IN A WAY THAT MEETS [32:08] THE RESIDENTS NEEDS, TAKE PEOPLE OFF THE WAITING LIST, AND WE NEED TO MEET THE 2040 PLAN. [32:15] MPHA HAS DEMONSTRATED -- WE TOOK 13 HOMES OFFLINE AND BUILT 84 [32:22] UNITS TO HOUSE MORE PEOPLE AND GET THEM OFF THE WAITING LIST. DEMONSTRATING THE EFFECT OF THE [32:27] 2040 PLAN FOR MINNEAPOLIS. THIS COULD BE DEMONSTRATED IN AN AREA OF OPPORTUNITY, 12 ACRES, KEEPING THE GREENSPACE AND [32:34] THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY GENERATIONAL INVESTMENT. SO THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES. 2,000 FAMILIES HAVE CALLED [32:40] GLENDALE HOME. THOUSANDS MORE CAN CALL GLENDALE HOME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THE FAMILIES THAT HAVE LIVED [32:46] THERE HAVE HAD SUCCESSES. BUT IMAGINE WHAT THEY COULD HAVE IF THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL [32:51] DIGNIFIED HOUSING THAT WE COULD PROVIDE. 21st CENTURY HOUSING THAT WE COULD PROVIDE. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE SAY GENERATIONAL [32:57] INVESTMENT. WE ALSO HAVE PLANS TO GET SOME OF THOSE FAMILIES IN A FAMILY [33:02] HOUSING TO BECOME HOMEOWNERS. AND IN FACT, WE'VE DONE A STUDY AND WE'VE SEEN THAT OUR FAMILY [33:09] HOUSING ACTUALLY HELPS FAMILIES FIND THEIR FEET. AND SINCE 2020, IN OUR CHR [33:16] PORTFOLIO, AROUND 14% OF THE FAMILIES THAT GRADUATED FROM THE PROGRAM WENT ON TO BECOME [33:22] HOMEOWNERS. SO THIS ACTUALLY WORKS, BUT PROSPECT PARK IS A GREAT AREA AND IS ONE OF OUR LARGEST [33:28] WITHHOLDINGS. IT'S THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS HAS TO HOUSE FAMILIES. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. [33:37] >> COMMISSIONER THOMAS. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST HAVE A BRIEF QUESTION REGARDING THE COMMENTS YOU MADE [33:44] ABOUT NOT DISPLACING ANY FAMILIES. MY QUESTION RELATED TO THAT [33:49] ESSENTIALLY IS NEW DEVELOPMENT TYPICALLY MAKES RENTS QUITE A BIT HIGHER. I KNOW THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE [33:56] EFFORTS TO MAKE THESE DEEPLY AFFORDABLE FOR RESIDENTS. HOWEVER, MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD [34:02] BE THEY'D PROBABLY BE PAYING AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT MORE IF NOT A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE PAYING NOW. [34:08] SO WHILE YOU MAY NOT BE DIRECTLY DISPLACING THEM, IS THERE A RISK THEY CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO [34:13] LIVE THERE? >> WE WOULD BE OWNING THESE UNITS. THEY WOULD STILL BE PUBLICLY [34:20] OWNED. THEY WOULD TRANSITION FROM THE SECTION 9 PLATFORM WHICH IS PUBLIC HOUSING TO THE SECTION 8 [34:27] PLATFORM WHICH IS LOW INCOME HOUSING WHICH WOULD STILL BE US. [34:32] RENTS WOULD STAY THE SAME. IF THEY DON'T HAVE RENT, THEY WOULD BE PAYING THE MINIMUM $75. [34:39] SO NOTHING CHANGES, AND I THINK THERE IS THAT MISUNDERSTANDING AND MISINFORMATION THAT THESE UNITS WILL BECOME PRIVATIZED OR [34:46] BECOME SECTION 42. NO, IT WILL STILL BE OWNED BY PUBLIC HOUSING. MPHA WILL STILL HAVE THE STAFF. [34:54] AND WE'VE DONE THIS. WE'VE DONE THIS WITH OUR SITES [35:00] WHICH IS 800 PLUS UNITS. 3,300 RESIDENTS. WE STARTED OFF DOING THE [35:05] CONVERSION WHERE 3,100 DENTS. NOW WE HAVE 200 EXTRA RESIDENTS [35:12] BECAUSE WE PUT MONEY IN AND WE GOT MORE UNITS COMING ONLINE AND WE HAD NO DISPLACEMENT. [35:20] WE PRESERVED HUNDREDS OF UNITS, WE ADDED TEN MORE UNITS. [35:25] SO WE HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF NO DISPLACEMENT. BUT WHEN YOU SEW FEAR AND TELL [35:31] PEOPLE YOU'RE GOING TO BE RELOCATED, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE YOUR HOMES, IT'S NOT TRUE. [35:36] EVEN WITHIN RELOCATION, WE HAVE A RELOCATION CONTRACT WITH OUR [35:41] RESIDENTS. WE MEET RESIDENTS HOUSEHOLDS ONE ON ONE. WE WORK WITH THEM AND THERE ARE PROTECTIONS. [35:48] THERE'S AN M.O.U. BETWEEN THE PUBLIC HOUSING AND THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS WHICH CODIFIES ALL [35:53] OF THE FEDERAL PROTECTIONS FOR RESIDENTS. SO RENT IS NOT GOING TO GO UP, [35:59] STILL PUBLICLY OWNED, RUN BY THE MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. BY WHY GO FROM SECTION 9 TO [36:05] SECTION 8, BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DECIDED THAT SECTION 8 IS MORE VALUABLE [36:11] BECAUSE THEY TAKE THE VOUCHERS, THEREFORE IT'S ALWAYS FUNDED, 100% IT'S FUNDED. [36:17] BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GET TWO AND A HALF TIMES MORE [36:22] SUBSIDIES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE OWE THAT TO OUR RESIDENTS TO GET MORE RESOURCES INTO THESE HOMES. >> THANK YOU. [36:28] >> COMMISSIONERS WALLACE. >> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAVE A QUESTION JUST ABOUT THE [36:35] $22 MILLION BACKLOG. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT OR THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AMOUNT. [36:42] WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ANY OF THE RENOVATIONS OR UPKEEP THAT KIND OF THING WAS ADDRESSED [36:47] COMPREHENSIVELY AT THE SITE? >> WE DID IT IN 1972 AND 1988. [36:54] >> THOSE ARE THE TWO? >> AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF CHANGED THE STRUCTURE OF THE [37:00] BUILDINGS. >> SURE. I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT INVESTMENT AND BUILDING THESE OUT TO BE HOUSES [37:07] THAT ARE USEFUL FOR THE RESIDENTS, I JUST WONDERED HOW LONG THAT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE [37:12] HAS BEEN. >> COMMISSIONER WALLACE, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE [37:17] STUCK IN THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN. WE GET $0.10 ON THE DOLLAR FOR [37:23] EVERYTHING WE NEED ON IMPROVEMENT. OUR CAPITAL BACKLOG, WE HAVE [37:28] 6,000 UNITS ACROSS HIGH-RISES AND EVERYTHING, IT'S $260 MILLION. THAT'S BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DISINVESTED IN [37:34] PUBLIC HOUSING FOR GENERATIONS, REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER REASONS THEY'VE DONE IT, BUT WHAT WE DO [37:39] IS WE TRY TO, WE'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC HOUSING [37:45] AUTHORITY. WE'RE ALLOWED TO MOVE MONEY AROUND AND WE TAKE OUR SECTION 8 [37:51] MONEY AND MOVE IT TO PUBLIC HOUSING. AND WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS THE SECTION 8 ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD [37:58] RESERVES. WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO BUILD RESERVES IN THE PAST EVEN FOR GLENDALE. IT ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD RESERVES [38:03] AND YOU CAN KEEP UP WITH THE UPKEEP. AND WE CAN DEFINITELY CAMPAIGN FOR GETTING RESOURCES, WE [38:12] REINSTATED THE TAX LEVY AT THE CITY, WE GOT RESOURCES FROM THE STATE. AND THERE'S A NEED FOR FAMILY [38:18] HOUSING WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S WHY GLENDALE IS THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE IN OUR CITY. THE $22 MILLION BACKLOG IS A [38:24] LARGE BACKLOG. AS LONG AS WE'RE ON THE SECTION 9 PLATFORM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE MONEY THAT WE NEED AND [38:30] THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DO THE CONVERSION AND THE WORK THAT SCARES SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. [38:36] I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> IS THE CONVERSION TO SECTION [38:45] 9 NOT POSSIBLE WITH HISTORIC DESIGNATION OR LANDMARK DESIGNATION? >> THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. [38:52] THE CONVERSION IS POSSIBLE, AND THIS IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OUR FOLKS HAVE BEEN MISLED ON. [39:00] THEY WERE TOLD THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION RESERVES THE SECTION 9 BECAUSE THAT'S PUBLIC HOUSING, IT DOESN'T. [39:05] HISTORIC PRESERVATION DOES NOT PRESERVE THE USE OF THE HOUSE, IT JUST PRESERVES THE FACADE, [39:13] THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. IT CHALLENGES US TO ADD THINGS. BUT WE CAN DO THE CONVERSIONS [39:19] AND NOT REAP THE OPPORTUNITY OF REDEVELOPMENT. WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS IT [39:27] DOESN'T ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS THAT SAY WE WANT TO KEEP IT PUBLIC HOUSING. THAT DOESN'T HELP US, BECAUSE WE [39:32] NEED THE SUBSIDY. IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE ANYBODY FROM INVOLUNTARY DISPLACEMENT. AND IN FACT, IF THESE UNITS [39:38] CANNOT GET THE ATTENTION THAT THEY NEED IN THE FUTURE, IT MIGHT DISPLACE RESIDENTS. [39:47] THAT QUOTE, HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS. SO LET'S KEEP IT HISTORIC, BUT THEN YOU MIGHT LOSE THAT [39:52] OPPORTUNITY OF REALLY REIMAGINING AND REDESIGNING GLENDALE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND [39:57] ALSO LOSING THAT EXTRA MONEY THAT YOU GET WITH THE [40:07] CONVERSIONS. >> DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR THE OWNER? [40:14] OKAY, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> SO I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC [40:21] COMMENTS. AS A REMINDER, I WILL BE LIMITING PUBLIC COMMENTS TO TWO MINUTES AND THE CLERK WILL SET THE CLOCK TO TRACK TIME. [40:28] PLEASE SIGN UP AT THE CLERK'S DESK IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK AND I WILL CALL YOUR NAME. WHEN GIVING TESTIMONY, REMEMBER [40:34] TO FOCUS ON NEW INFORMATION THAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED AND AS I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME [40:41] AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT FOR [40:46] REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS, ALTERNATE FORMATS TO REPORT CAPTIONING ISSUES, PLEASE CONTACT OFFICE OF CITY CLERK AT [41:01] 612-673-2216 OR cityclerk@minneapolismn.gov. IF YOU NEED AN AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE OR OTHER LANGUAGE INTERPRETER, PLEASE MAKE THIS [41:08] REQUEST AT LEAST FIVE BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. PEOPLE WHO ARE DEAF OR HARD OF HEARING CAN USE A RELAY SERVICE [41:15] TO CALL 311 A 612-673-3000. [41:22] AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY NAME MISPRONUNCIATIONS. [41:27] FIRST PERSON ON THE LIST IS SHANEEN. [41:42] JUST AS A REMINDER, IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> I'M SHANEEN BUT SHE'S GOING [41:51] TO SPEAK FOR ME BECAUSE I HAVE A SORE THROAT. THANK YOU. >> HI, I'M NATASHA REEVES, I'LL [41:57] BE SPEAKING FOR SHANEEN. GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. [42:02] MY NAME IS SHANEEN AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE GLENDALE COMMUNITY TOWNHOMES FOR OVER TWO DECADES. [42:09] I MOVED HERE WITH MY CHILDREN IN 2002 AND THEY IMMEDIATELY LOVED IT THERE. [42:18] WE HAD MOVED FROM CHICAGO, UNCERTAIN OF STARTING OVER IN A NEW UNFAMILIAR CITY. [42:24] BUT WE FOUND SO MANY THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BACK HOME IN CHICAGO. IT WAS TRULY A WONDERFUL -- IT [42:33] WAS TRULY WONDERFUL TO ARRIVE AT GLENDALE. HERE, THEY COULD SAFELY WALK OUT [42:38] THE DOOR AND BE SAFE, WELCOMING INTO A COMMUNITY ENJOYING [42:45] EVERYTHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD TO OFFER INCLUDING PARKS ON THE SITE. [42:50] WHEN THEY BEGAN SCHOOL HERE, THE EDUCATION THEY RECEIVED WAS EXCELLENT. [42:59] BOTH OF MY CHILDREN WERE ABLE TO GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL WHICH [43:08] HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE IN CHICAGO. DUE TO THE DIFFICULTIES OF MY [43:14] SONS HAVING TO SIMPLY BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO AND FROM [43:19] SCHOOL. MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING HAS TRULY BEEN A GREAT SUPPORT FOR ME AND MY CHILDREN. [43:25] AS MY CHILDREN GREW INTO ADULTS AND MOVED OUT TO BEGIN LIFE ON [43:30] THEIR OWN, I INQUIRED WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER ABOUT [43:35] DOWNSIZING. I NO LONGER NEEDED THE EXTRA BEDROOM SPACE. I WAS SHOCKED AND DELIGHTED TO [43:42] BE ABLE TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT ONE BEDROOM UNIT AT GLENDALE. [43:47] AS I DIDN'T WANT MY CHILDREN TO [43:53] RETURN -- INSIDE JOKE. THE MOVE ALLOWED ME TO AGE IN [43:59] PLACE. AND REMAIN IN A COMMUNITY THAT [44:05] HAD COME TO MEAN SO MUCH TO ME. I'M SORRY, I AM GRATEFUL THAT [44:14] MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING HAS MEANT TO ME AND MY FAMILY FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS. [44:19] NOW THAT I'VE RETIRED, I STAY BUSY HELPING MPHA WITH [44:25] LANDSCAPING, VOLUNTEERING IN THE COMMUNITY IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN. AT GLENDALE, WE ARE TRULY A [44:32] COMMUNITY WITHIN A COMMUNITY. THE FAMILIES HERE THRIVE FROM [44:37] THE MOMENT THEY ARRIVED. AND WE EXPERIENCE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN OUR LIVES. [44:44] THIS SAFE HAVEN HAS FOR GENERATIONS BEEN A VITAL STEPPING-STONE TO HELP FAMILIES [44:52] STABILIZE WHEN IN A VULNERABLE [44:58] PLACE, SET DOWN ROOTS AND ACCOMPLISH THEIR GOALS. [45:05] THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. THE NEXT NAME THAT I HAVE ON THE [45:10] LIST IS PATRICIA LEE WOODS. [45:24] IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. [45:29] MY NAME IS PATRICIA LEE WOODS. AND I LIVE AT 2801 ST. MARY'S [45:35] PLACE IN GLENDALE. WHEN I MOVED INTO GLENDALE IN [45:41] 1991 I HAD TWO SONS. SO I'VE LIVED IN GLENDALE FOR 31 YEARS. [45:46] AND NOW I LIVE ALONE. AND I'M GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL [45:52] FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE TO A ONE BEDROOM LIKE [45:57] SHANEEN BEFORE ME. I'VE FOUND COMFORT AND SAFETY HERE IN GLENDALE. [46:04] AND I APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO SHOP BY MYSELF, THE AMENITIES [46:10] THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LUXEN PARK AND ESPECIALLY ACCESS [46:15] TO THE LIGHT RAIL. MY EXPERIENCE FROM MY 31 YEARS IN GLENDALE HAS BEEN THAT MPHA [46:21] TRULY DOES MEET THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS. I'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES WITH [46:27] ANY REPAIRS THAT I'VE NEEDED DONE IN MY UNIT. I FEEL APPRECIATED AND I FEEL [46:33] SAFE AND RESPECTED. [46:38] UNFORTUNATELY, I BELIEVE THAT THE MISINFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN CIRCULATING ABOUT PRESERVING [46:43] GLENDALE AS A HISTORICAL AREA IS CAUSING RESIDENTS TO BE FEARFUL [46:50] AND RESISTANT TO THE POSSIBLE REDEVELOPMENT AND RECONSTRUCTION OF GLENDALE. [46:56] I BELIEVE THAT GLENDALE'S RESIDENTS DO DESERVE A CHANCE TO [47:03] RESHAPE OUR COMMUNITY AND LIVE IN THE 21st CENTURY WITH MODERN [47:08] AMENITIES. I FOR ONE HAVE TO PUT AN AIR CONDITIONER IN MY WINDOW EVERY [47:14] SUMMER AND REMOVE IT AND I CAN'T ALWAYS FIND SOMEONE TO HELP ME TO DO THAT. [47:25] I KNOW THAT FEAR DOES EXIST AND SOME OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE [47:30] OF THE MISINFORMATION. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. [47:36] >> OKAY THE NEXT NAME I HAVE ON THE LIST IS KANTRELL MOTLEY. [47:50] IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE [47:56] MICROPHONE. >> MY NAME IS KANTERIAL MOTLEY. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF GLENDALE [48:03] TOWNHOMES FOR NEARLY TEN YEARS NOW. THIS PLACE IS HOME FOR ME, IT SERVES AS A SAFE HAVEN FOR ME AND MY TWO CHILDREN. [48:09] GLENDALE HOLDS A SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANCE FOR ME BECAUSE OF THE STRONG BONDS I'VE BUILT WITH MY [48:16] NEIGHBORS. THE WAY WE STICK TOGETHER IS A RARE THING TO FIND THESE DAYS. [48:21] THE FRIENDSHIPS AND CONNECTIONS WE'VE MADE IS INVALUABLE. AND THE SAFETY THAT THIS PLACE PROVIDES FOR OUR CHILDREN, THEY [48:27] HAVE A SECURE ENVIRONMENT TO BE KIDS IN. THIS AREA IS REMARKABLY SAFE [48:33] THANKS TO SECURITY GUARDS AND THE VIGILANT NEIGHBORS WHO LOOK OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER. IT'S A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR [48:40] CHILDREN WITHOUT A CONSISTENT WORRY ABOUT PREDATORS OR STRAY BULLETS. THEY ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO NUMEROUS ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT [48:46] THE RECREATIONAL CENTER, THE STAFF AND EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY LOOKS OUT FOR ONE [48:52] ANOTHER AND THE CHILDREN AS WELL AS WELL AS THEIR WELL BEING. THIS HELPS KEEP THEM ENGAGED AND [48:57] AWAY FROM NEGATIVE INFLUENCE ON THE STREETS. WE ALSO BENEFIT FROM EASY ACCESS [49:02] TO RESOURCES. WE HAVE A FOOD SHELF ON SITE AS WELL AS A LAUNDRY ROOM. WE ARE SITUATED BETWEEN [49:08] MINNEAPOLIS AND ST. PAUL, EASY ACCESS TO GROCERY STORE AND OTHER NECESSARY AMENITIES. IT IS INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO [49:16] FIND HOUSING THAT OFFER ALL OF THESE ADVANTAGES, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PARTICULAR NEED FOR [49:21] LOW INCOME FAMILIES LIKE ME AND MYSELF, I FOUND GLENDALE AT A TIME THAT IT TRULY SAVED ME AND [49:27] MY FAMILY. I HAD EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, [49:33] SLEEPING IN CARS WITH MY CHILDREN DESPITE HAVING A GOOD [49:40] JOB. RECEIVING THE CALL FROM GLENDALE WAS TRULY A BLESSING. BEING A PART OF GLENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITIES [49:46] IS CONTINUING TO BE A BLESSING FOR ME AND MY CHILDREN. [49:51] I UNDERSTAND CHANGE CAN BE UNSETTLING AND MANY ARE AFRAID OF CHANGE, CHANGE CAN ALSO BE POSITIVE. GLENDALE IS FILLED WITH [49:58] WONDERFUL PEOPLE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND I ALSO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING TO ME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. [50:06] THE NEXT NAME THAT I HAVE ON THE LIST ANTHONY ROWE. [50:16] >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ANTHONY ROWE. I'M AN EMPLOYEE AT MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY AT 1001 [50:25] WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH. I'VE WORKED AT MPHA FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. FOR SEVEN OF THOSE YEARS, I'VE [50:30] SERVED AS GLENDALE'S REGIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER. IN THAT TIME, I DEVELOPED A [50:36] CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH FAMILIES WHILE MANAGING WORK ORDERS [50:43] CELEBRATING COMMUNITY MILESTONES AND HELPING RESIDENTS OVERCOME VARIOUS CHALLENGES IN THEIR LIVES. BUT RESIDENTS CAN CLEARLY SEE [50:50] THE REALITY THAT A GROWING NUMBER OF THINGS NEED TO BE REPAIRED AND REPLACED IN THEIR HOMES. [50:56] HOWEVER, MORE RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN AN EFFORT BY A SELECT [51:02] RESIDENT AND OUTSIDERS TO SCARE AND MISLEAD RESIDENTS. JUST LAST WEEK I GOT A CALL FROM THE DAUGHTER OF AN ELDERLY [51:09] RESIDENT WHO HAD A GROUP OF PEOPLE SHE DIDN'T RECOGNIZE KNOCK ON HER DOOR, SAID THAT IF SHE DIDN'T SIGN A PETITION, SHE [51:16] WOULD LOSE HER HOUSE AND BE THROWN ON THE STREET. [51:21] THAT PETITION WAS TO SIGN IN SUPPORT OF THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION. [51:27] SADLY, THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT. OUR STAFF HAVE ANSWERED NUMEROUS [51:33] CALLS LIKE THIS IN RECENT WEEKS. THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES RESIDENTS CALL WHEN THEY'RE [51:39] CONFUSED. WE'RE THE ONES THAT RESIDENT CALLS WHEN THEY'RE SCARED. I CAN'T PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND [51:45] WHAT MOTIVATES SOMEONE TO THREATEN VULNERABLE RESIDENTS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE [51:51] RESIDENTS AT GLENDALE BY AND LARGE DO NOT WANT HISTORIC PRESERVATION. [51:56] GLENDALE RESIDENTS WANT TO DESERVE THE FREEDOM TO SHAPE THEIR FUTURE IN THEIR OWN TERMS [52:03] ALONG FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. THEY DO NOT WANT THIS COMMISSION TO STOP A MAJOR INVESTMENT BY [52:09] MPHA IN GLENDALE THAT RESIDENTS NEED AND DESERVE. THAT'S BECAUSE GLENDALE FAMILIES [52:15] ARE WAITING FOR THEIR LITTLE ONES. THAT'S WHY MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT HERE. [52:20] I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. [52:26] OKAY, THE NEXT NAME I HAVE ON MY LIST UMI CARR. [52:32] IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [52:42] >> HELLO. I LIVE IN 2805 DELAWARE. I WAS MOVING A LOT WHEN WE CAME TO GLENDALE AND MY FAMILY [52:48] SETTLED DOWN WHEN WE CAME. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN GLENDALE FOR [52:53] FOUR YEARS. WE HAVE ACCESS TO MULTIPLE DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THE TRAIN, [52:59] THE GAS STATION. AND FIRST, WHEN WE WENT DOOR [53:04] KNOCKING, WE ASKED THEM AND MULTIPLE PEOPLE SIGNED IT. THERE WAS OVER SEVEN PAGES SIGNED. BUT EITHER WAY, GLENDALE IS LIKE [53:11] A PLACE WHERE WE CAN STEP OUTSIDE WITHOUT BEING SCARED. LIKE SOME PLACES IN SECTION 8 [53:17] WHEN YOU STEP OUTSIDE, YOU GET SCARED OF SHOOTINGS OR DRIVE BYES, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT THINGS. [53:23] BUT WHEN YOU STEP OUTSIDE IN GLENDALE, YOU GET THE FRESH AIR, [53:29] KIDS ARE PLAYING OUTSIDE, AND PEOPLE TRUST EACH OTHER WITH DIFFERENT THINGS. AND WE WOULD NEED HISTORIC [53:34] DESIGNATION BECAUSE THIS HAPPENED AT A DIFFERENT APARTMENT COMPLEX AND WHEN THEY UPGRADED IT, THEY UPPED THEIR RENT. [53:39] SO EITHER WAY, THEY DIDN'T GET DISPLACED, THEY JUST COULDN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE ANYMORE AND THEY WERE FORCED TO MOVE INTO [53:45] DIFFERENT HOUSES. BUT THAT'S IT, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. THE NEXT NAME I HAVE ON THE LIST [53:52] IS JOE RING. IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR [53:57] NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS JOSEPH RING. I LIVE AT 101 MELBOURNE AVENUE [54:04] SOUTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS IN THE PROSPECT PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. I AM CHAIR OF THE TAR HEEL PARK [54:11] COMMITTEE, PART OF PTA. AND IN 1995, MY WIFE AND I WERE [54:16] MADE CHAIRS OF THE COMMITTEE TO [54:21] IMPLEMENT THE RP PLAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PUT TOGETHER. AND OUR MAIN TASK WAS TO [54:28] IDENTIFY AND DO ANY RESEARCH AND WHETHER IT WAS VALID, THERE WERE ANY HISTORIC ASSETS IN PROSPECT [54:36] PARK. I SPENT 30 YEARS WORKING ON THAT. WE WERE VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL. AS YOU KNOW, THE PARK ARE ON THE [54:45] NATIONAL REGISTER. PROSPECT PARK IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE COUNTRY. [54:52] A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, WHEN THE ASSESSMENT WAS DONE, SHE [54:58] IDENTIFIED THREE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES, THE PARK, THE [55:05] RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED PROSPECT PARK, AND GLENDALE. SO ONCE WE FINISHED THE PARK AND [55:13] PROSPECT PARK, WE MOVED ON TO GLENDALE. THE RESIDENTS IN GLENDALE WERE VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN [55:21] PURSUING THAT. AND THEY HAVE BEEN THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN PURSUING IT. I HAVE ONLY ACTED AS A [55:28] CONSULTANT TO HELP THEM. I RESENT THE CHARACTERIZATION OF [55:37] MY NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING REDLINING. HE HAS NO PROOF OF EVER REDLINING COMING TO PROSPECT [55:44] PARK. IN FACT IN 1913, 2 FAMILIES [55:52] MOVED INTO PROSPECT PARK, THE JACKSONS. [55:57] THEY WERE FAMILIES OF COLOR. THERE WAS RESISTANCE AT THE [56:02] BEGINNING, BUT AFTER EFFORTS BY THE JACKSONS, WELL UNDERSTOOD [56:10] THAT THEY WERE PEOPLE LIKE ALL OF THE REST OF US. I AM HORRIBLY DIS -- I'M JUST [56:19] REALLY, REALLY TRAUMATIZED BY SOMEONE SAYING REDLINING. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. [56:26] THE NEXT NAME THAT I HAVE ON THE LIST IS SHANNY ARTIN. [56:36] IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. [56:48] >> MY NAME IS SHANNY. I AM A FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL. I GREW UP IN GLENDALE. [56:54] PLEASE VOTE YES FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR GLENDALE TOWNHOMES. WE NEED TO HONOR THE YOUNG [57:00] PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE WHO CAME BEFORE US. AS YOUTH WE WANT TO RESPECT THE [57:06] BLACK MOTHERS AND THE YOUTH WHO FOUGHT FOR US IN THE PAST AND WHO ARE STILL FIGHTING TODAY. [57:12] FOR EXAMPLE, GLENDALE U ENROLLED PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF [57:18] GLENDALE TOWNHOMES. GLENDALE U HAD CLASSES THAT INCLUDED HUMANITIES, SOCIAL [57:24] SCIENTISTS, PSYCHOLOGY, FRENCH, ENGLISH, AND GENERAL EDUCATION COURSES TO HELP PEOPLE PASS THE [57:30] GENERAL EDUCATIONAL DEVELOPMENT EXAM. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THINGS LIKE GLENDALE U BACK. [57:35] THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR VOICES. GOOD-BYE. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. [57:41] THE NEXT NAME THAT I HAVE ON THE LIST IS SAIED A. [57:51] IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND SPEAK. [57:57] >> I WILL INTERPRET. >> THANK YOU. >> I AM GOING TO INTERPRET FOR [58:03] HIM BECAUSE THERE'S NO INTERPRETER. WE HAVE FOUR MINUTES, RIGHT? [58:08] >> YES. WE CYCLE IT TWICE. SO YOU WILL HEAR THE NOISE. [58:18] >> I'M SENDING YOU ALL GREETINGS. [58:26] I'VE LIVED IN GLENDALE FOR 16 YEARS. [58:41] IT'S GLENDALE IS A PLACE WHERE WE'RE VERY HAPPY AT WHERE WE ARE DOING WELL AND WE HAVE SAFETY. [58:56] TRANSPORTATION IS NEAR US. THE TRAIN IS NEAR US. AND THE U OF M IS NEAR US. [59:03] WE ARE LOW INCOME PEOPLE. WE ARE POOR PEOPLE. WE CAN'T COVER THE COST. [59:12] WE CAN'T EVEN FIND OTHER HOUSING ANYWHERE ELSE. BECAUSE OF OUR INCOME. [59:22] AS A RESULT, WE WANT YOU TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF GLENDALE. [59:37] NOBODY'S USING US, THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IS USING US IN TERMS OF [59:42] THE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE BEFORE THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE USING US. SO THERE'S NO ONE ELSE USING US. [59:48] IT'S OUR VOICE. WE ARE THE RESIDENTS AND WE HAVE [59:57] RESPECT AMONG OURSELVES AND WE RESPECT EACH OTHER. [1:00:09] WE CAN DO REPAIRS WHILE WE'RE IN THE HOME. THE ISSUE WITH THE FIXING AND REPAIRS CAN BE DONE INSIDE THE [1:00:15] HOMES AND IT'S NOT, WE CAN DO IT WHILE WE'RE INSIDE THE HOMES. [1:00:20] THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. [1:00:33] WE WANT OUR HOMES TO BE SAVED. WE WANT TO SAVE OUR HOMES. WE WANT THEM TO LEAVE US ALONE. [1:00:41] AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE YOU GUYS TO DO. [1:00:48] IT'S FOUR MINUTES. WHO'S THE NEXT PERSON? I'M INTERPRETING FOR EVERYBODY. [1:01:00] >> IF I MAY -- SO TO GET FOUR MINUTES, THEN I RECYCLED IT SO IT WENT THROUGH TWO SO THIS IS [1:01:06] THE SECOND SO HE STILL HAS -- [1:01:11] EACH PERSON WHO'S GETTING TRANSLATED WILL GET FOUR MINUTES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> AND ONE QUICK INTERJECTION [1:01:17] FROM THE DAIS AS WELL, COULD YOU PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SMACKING OR SLAMMING ON THE PODIUM SO OUR [1:01:25] CAPTIONERS HAVE A CLEAR AUDIO TO BE ABLE TO CAPTION. >> THANK YOU. [1:01:36] >> IN CONCLUSION, WE WANT TO SAVE OUR HOMES. WE WANT THEM TO LEAVE US ALONE. [1:01:45] AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE DISPLACED. [1:01:52] MPHA IS OUT OF THE EQUATION AND THAT MEANS THERE'S NO MORE [1:01:58] GOVERNMENT BASICALLY HE'S TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT PROTECTION. [1:02:06] AND THE PRIVATE DEVELOPERS WILL DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. [1:02:15] WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT BECAUSE WE'RE LOW INCOME. [1:02:23] WE WANT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOMES TO BE PRESERVED. WE WANT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOME TO BE [1:02:32] PROTECTED, BASICALLY HISTORIC PRESERVATION. [1:02:42] >> THANK YOU. SO THE NEXT NAME THAT I HAVE ON THE LIST IS FATIMA. [1:02:48] >> YEAH. >> PERFECT, JUST CHECKING. >> I'M SAYING HELLO TO EVERYONE. [1:02:54] I'M SENDING YOU GUYS GREETINGS TO EVERYBODY. [1:03:05] I HAVE BEEN ON THE WAIT LIST TO GET INTO GLENDALE TOWNHOMES FOR SIX YEARS. [1:03:11] I WAS LIVING IN A MARKET-RATE APARTMENT OR HOUSE. [1:03:20] I WAS PAYING MARKET-RATE RENT. [1:03:26] SEVEN YEARS. I'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR SEVEN YEARS TO GET INTO GLENDALE. [1:03:36] AND I LIVED IN MARKET RATE, I COULDN'T PAY THE RENT. I WAS ALMOST EVICTED. [1:03:49] AT NIGHTTIME BECAUSE OF GLENDALE I SLEEP WELL. MY CHILDREN ARE HAPPY. [1:03:58] WE ARE VERY HAPPY LIVING IN GLENDALE. [1:04:03] I HAVE CHILDREN AND I HAVE KIDS. MY KIDS GO TO SCHOOL NEAR THE HOME. [1:04:15] I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT PEOPLE TELLING ME ABOUT THE DISPLACEMENT. [1:04:23] WE CANNOT, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH RENT AND MARKET RATE APARTMENTS. [1:04:36] I LIVE IN A VERY NICE, BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND GLENDALE IS AND I WANT GLENDALE TO BE LEFT [1:04:42] ALONE. [1:05:06] BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE FAMILY HERE -- I'M SORRY, I'LL SAY IT. [1:05:11] BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE FAMILY HERE, SHE SAID THAT IT GIVES ME THAT SUPPORT THAT I NEED THAT WHEN I CANNOT WORK, I GET [1:05:18] SUPPORT THAT IT'S LOW INCOME, WHEN I'M WORKING, I PAY THE MONTHLY RENT THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO PAY. AND WHEN I'M NOT WORKING, THEN I [1:05:25] PAY THE LOW INCOME RENT THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO PAY. I FEEL SUPPORTED BASICALLY THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE FAMILY HERE. [1:05:39] NOW I DON'T SLEEP BECAUSE OF THE THREATS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M GOING TO MOVE TO. [1:05:45] I'M ALWAYS WORRIED NOW. ARE WE EVEN GOING TO COME BACK? WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'RE [1:05:51] GOING TO COME BACK? WILL WE BE MOVED TO SOMEWHERE REALLY BAD THAT'S FAR, FAR AWAY? [1:05:57] I NEED THE TRAIN AND THE BUS. I CAN GO TO THE EMERGENCY NOW IF [1:06:02] MY KIDS GET SICK. [1:06:08] WE WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO UNDERSTAND OUR VOICE. I DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH. [1:06:15] I'M NOT GOING TO FIND ALL THE TIME SOMEONE TO INTERPRET FOR OUR VOICES. [1:06:22] I WANT THE HOMES, I WANT MY VOICE TO GO FAR, AND I WANT THE HOMES TO BE SAFE AND TO BE LEFT ALONE. [1:06:31] >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. [1:06:41] THE NEXT NAME I HAVE ON THE LIST IS KARHIA. [1:07:08] >> ALL OF YOU, SHE'S SENDING YOU GREETINGS. [1:07:22] MY NAME IS -- I'VE BEEN ON A [1:07:28] LONG WAITING LIST TO GET INTO THE HOUSES IN GLENDALE. [1:07:42] WHEN I'M ABLE TO PAY RENT, I PAY RENT. AND WHEN I'M NOT ABLE TO PAY THE RENT, I GET SUPPORT. [1:07:58] I AM THANKFUL FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT US IN THAT WAY. [1:08:03] I USED TO BUS TO GO GROCERY SHOPPING. I COME BACK WITH THE BUS. [1:08:11] I HAVE SAFETY. [1:08:20] I SLEEP WELL KNOWING THAT I DON'T HAVE RENT ALL THE TIME LOOMING OVER ME THAT I'M GOING [1:08:25] TO BE EVICTED. [1:08:31] SHE'S TALKING ABOUT HIGH RENTS. [1:08:39] FOR EXAMPLE, IF I'M NOT ABLE TO PAY THE RENT AND I'M NOT AFRAID THAT I'LL BE KICKED OUT, THAT [1:08:46] I'LL GET SUPPORT. BECAUSE OF THAT, WE WANT [1:08:54] GLENDALE, OUR HOMES TO BE LEFT ALONE. [1:09:00] WE LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. EVERYWHERE WE TAKE THE TRAIN. [1:09:06] IF WE GO SOMEWHERE FAR, WE CAN'T TRAVEL TO GO TO THE MARKET AND [1:09:11] TO BUY THINGS. [1:09:17] WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE US AND WE CAN'T PAY THE RENT WHEREVER THEY TAKE US. [1:09:29] WE WANT THE HOMES TO BE LEFT ALONE AND WE THANK THE GOVERNMENT FOR HELPING US IN [1:09:37] THAT AND WE WANT THE HOMES TO BE LEFT ALONE FOR US. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEACE AND A LOT OF SAFETY. [1:09:48] WE DON'T WANT TO BE DISPLACED. WE WANT WHATEVER IS BROKEN IN THE HOUSE TO BE FIXED BASICALLY. [1:09:57] INSIDE THE HOUSE, WHATEVER. [1:10:02] WE WANT THE HISTORY OF GLENDALE TO BE AMPLIFIED. WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE ERASED. [1:10:18] WE WANT TO STAY IN OUR HOMES. WE JUST WANT THEM TO FIX AND REPAIR THE HOMES INSIDE THE HOMES AND WE WANT THEM TO LEAVE [1:10:23] OUR HOMES ALONE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. [1:10:31] THE NEXT NAME THAT I HAVE ON THE LIST IS JERAIN CUFF. [1:10:41] IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. [1:10:48] >> MY NAME IS JERAIN CUFF. MY ADDRESS IS 2307 THOMAS AVENUE NORTH. [1:10:54] >> CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT MORE? THANK YOU. [1:11:00] >> AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME TONIGHT. [1:11:08] SO I'M A COUSIN OF RUBY BARBER. AND I AFFECTIONATELY CALLED HER [1:11:15] AUNT RUBY. AND HER PARTNER IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF GLENDALE WAS [1:11:22] MOTHER WHITTAKER AND I CALLED HER MOTHER WHITTAKER. [1:11:27] IN THE '60s, I WOULD COME AND VISIT MY FAMILY AND I HAD A BLAST THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS [1:11:33] THERE. I HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE AT THE TIME. [1:11:38] I JUST KNEW I WAS HAVING FUN. I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT TODAY I WOULD BE STANDING IN [1:11:45] FRONT OF THE PRESERVATION COMMISSIONERS. ASKING TO PRESERVE THE NEW HEAD [1:11:53] START, THE NEW DAYCARE PROGRAM, AND THE NEW LITTLE CO-OP. THAT'S A VISION. [1:12:00] THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF PROJECTS IN STORE FOR GLENDALE AND THESE WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE [1:12:06] ARE WILLING, READY, AND ABLE TO MAKE GLENDALE AN ENVIRONMENTALLY [1:12:15] FUTURISTIC AND FRIENDLY SITE FOR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S ALL. [1:12:21] THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. [1:12:27] I AM GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF A TIME CHECK AND SAY THAT WE ARE AT 5:43 AND WE ARE REQUIRED BY [1:12:33] STATE LAW TO END AT 6:00 P.M. SO I WILL CONTINUE TO CALL NAMES [1:12:38] DOWN THE LIST AND WE WILL HEAR TESTIMONY, BUT IF WE GET TOO CLOSE, WE WILL HAVE TO EITHER [1:12:45] CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO END PUBLIC COMMENT AND START TO [1:12:51] DELIBERATE AS A COMMISSION. SO JUST A HEADS UP TO EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT 6:00 P.M. DEADLINE. [1:13:00] OKAY, THE NEXT NAME I THINK IS, I'M SORRY, I CANNOT READ THIS SUPER WELL. [1:13:10] LATOW JOSEPH. THANK YOU. [1:13:17] IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> HI, I'M LATOW JUSEF. [1:13:24] I'VE LIVED IN GLENDALE SINCE 2004. 20 YEARS. [1:13:29] I AM THE COFOUNDER OF THE PUBLIC HOUSING COALITION. I WANT TO CLARIFY SOME MYTHS [1:13:36] MFHA HAS SAID. DEFEND GLENDALE IS OWNED BY RESIDENTS. ALL OF THE MOMS BACK HERE ARE [1:13:42] MEMBERS OF GLENDALE. WE WERE THE ONES ASKING PEOPLE TO SIGN THE PETITION. [1:13:47] NO ONE WAS FORCED TO SIGN THE PETITION, THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER. EVERYBODY WHO SIGNED THE PETITION WERE OKAY WITH IT AND [1:13:52] THE ONES WHO DIDN'T WANT TO SIGN IT, THEY DIDN'T SIGN IT. A COUPLE OF THINGS, PROSPECT [1:13:58] PARK IS NOT IN CHARGE OF US. [1:14:03] WE RECEIVED 98% OF 100% FOR INSPECTION. THE REDLINING IS FALSE. [1:14:10] IT'S BASICALLY AN ASSASSINATION. SOMEONE CAME TO GLENDALE AND SAID THEY WOULD REMOVE THE [1:14:15] CONTRACTS OF THE M.O.U. WHICH IS A SET UP. THEY'VE CUT THE SECTION 8 [1:14:21] FUNDING TWICE. SO THEY'RE LYING. THEY ALSO TOLD US SECTION 8 WOULD BE ENDING. [1:14:28] THEY WANT TO LEASE THE LAND TO A PRIVATE DEVELOPER. THERE'S NO CHANCE OF ANY OF US [1:14:36] COMING BACK. THEY'RE ALREADY DEMOLISHING ALL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY -- WHICH IS [1:14:42] THE REASON WHY THE TENANTS FAMILIES WITH 6 OR 7 CHILDREN THAT NEED TWO BATHROOMS, THEY [1:14:49] CAN'T EVEN GO. THE INCOME FOR GLENDALE TOWNHOMES IS $20,000 PER FAMILY. [1:14:56] SO YOU TELL ME HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING THE RENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKING PEOPLE TO PAY WHICH IS NOT [1:15:01] SECTION 9, IT'S SECTION 8 OR 42 OR WHATEVER THAT WAS. THEY'VE BEEN DEMOLISHING THAT. [1:15:10] WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS 200 OUT OF 700 OR 200 ARE HISTORIC [1:15:16] DESIGNATION AND ONLY SEVEN ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR. GLENDALE HAS A LONG HISTORY. [1:15:21] GLENDALE IS THE ONLY PUBLIC HOUSING IN MINNEAPOLIS THAT HAS THE HISTORY THAT IT HAS. SO PLEASE VOTE YES FOR HISTORIC [1:15:28] DESIGNATION BECAUSE WE'RE PRESERVING GLENDALE FOR THE HISTORY OF THE BLACK PEOPLE [1:15:33] BEFORE US AND THE ONES THAT ARE HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. [1:15:39] THE NEXT NAME THAT I HAVE ON THE LIST IS TRACY. IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR [1:15:44] NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [1:15:54] >> GOOD EVENING I GUESS. I'M ACTUALLY AT 2710 DELAWARE. [1:15:59] AND I JUST WANT TO STATE ON MY OWN, BUT I WAS READING ABOUT THE [1:16:06] HISTORY AND INTEGRITY. I'M LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS. I JUST MOVED IN FEBRUARY 13TH [1:16:13] AND THEY WELCOMED ME, THE NEIGHBORS, AND THE COMMUNITY. I ACTUALLY LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM HOMES THAT'S BEEN [1:16:18] THERE PROBABLY BEFORE GLENDALE TOWNHOMES. AND THERE'S COLLEGE PEOPLE AND MAYBE A FAMILY, I DON'T KNOW THE [1:16:23] PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET. BUT I NOTICE IN MY SHORT TIME BEING THERE THAT IT IS A COMMUNITY. [1:16:31] I'M VERY HAPPY. I'M HAVE A 17-YEAR-OLD WHO'S [1:16:38] HOPEFULLY GOING TO GRADUATE. HE'S COMFORTABLE THERE. WE CAME FROM HIGH-RISE ON FRANKLIN. AND WHAT I HEAR HERE IS THE [1:16:45] TRUTH, IT'S SAFE OVER THERE. THE COMMUNITY IS SAFE. THERE'S MANY THINGS FOR MY SON. THERE'S THE COMMUNITY CENTER. [1:16:51] THERE'S THE DAYCARE FOR THE MOTHERS WHO NEED CHILDCARE RIGHT [1:16:56] ON THE PROPERTY. SO THE PROPERTY AND IF YOU KNOW THE PROPERTY, HEADSTART WAS THE [1:17:03] FIRST MINNEAPOLIS THAT SITS ON THAT PROPERTY HEAD START IN MINNESOTA. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY LOOK IT [1:17:08] UP, AND THAT WAS MY COUSIN DELORES PRICE, SHE WAS PART OF THAT TO GET IT STARTED HERE. [1:17:15] SO THAT SPOT THERE HEAD START WAS CREATED. ON THE INTEGRITY, WHEN I LOOK AT [1:17:21] THE LOCATION, WE DO HAVE THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA, A [1:17:26] SIMILAR PROPERTY WITH HISTORY, EVEN THOUGH THEY CAME BEFORE US IN 1851 OR SO. [1:17:31] THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES OR ADDITIONS. THE HISTORICAL SITE I AM FOR. [1:17:37] BECAUSE THAT SPOT, I SAY THAT SPOT, BUT THE GLENDALE TOWNHOMES [1:17:42] WAS THERE PRIOR TO THEIR UPDATES. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THEY [1:17:48] LOOKED BEFORE AND THE UPDATES ARE MINOR. I SEE THEM AS MINOR CHANGES. SOME OF THE FLOORING MAY BE [1:17:54] ORIGINAL. SOME OF THE WOOD AROUND THE WINDOWS LOOK ORIGINAL TO ME. AND THE STRUCTURE HAS NOT [1:17:59] CHANGED. I DON'T SEE ANY CHANGE WITH THE STRUCTURE WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS. NOTHING IS REARRANGED, NOTHING [1:18:05] IS MOVED FROM THE FOUNDATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. [1:18:11] SO THEY'RE DESIGNED, WE DON'T KNOW, THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE FAMILIES HERE FOR 30 YEARS, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS. [1:18:17] I SAY TO UPDATE THESE APARTMENTS. IF THE MONEY, THEY HAVE THE [1:18:23] MONEY, WE DON'T WANT IT REBUILT. I BELIEVE IT WILL TAKE AWAY THE HISTORICAL SITE SO I'M FOR IT. [1:18:29] THEY CAN DO UPDATES. MY APARTMENT I WILL SAY WAS UPDATED PRETTY NICE. SO I'M HAPPY WITH IT. [1:18:35] AND MY SON WILL GRADUATE FROM THERE, BUT I HEARD STORIES OF GRANDKIDS. SHE DID SPEAK ON IT. [1:18:43] >> WE HAVE TO -- >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT'S WHAT I SEE WITH THE HISTORICAL SITE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. [1:18:50] SO WE DO HAVE FOUR NAMES LEFT. WE ARE AT 5:50. [1:18:56] SO PLEASE KEEP YOUR TESTIMONIES BRIEF AND ADD NEW INFORMATION IF YOU HAVE THEM. THE NEXT NAME THAT I HAVE IS [1:19:03] ERIC WONDERLUCK. IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [1:19:10] >> MY NAME IS ERIC WONDERLOOK. I LIVE AT 413 5th STREET [1:19:17] SOUTHEAST. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF PRESERVATION QUESTIONS OVER THE YEARS. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A REAL [1:19:22] GOOD JOB DONE ON SAYING WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING TECHNICALLY MEETS THE STANDARD, THE ROOF LINE, THE PILLARS, THE SPINDLES. [1:19:30] WHAT WE DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IS THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S VERY MUCH A PART OF [1:19:35] HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THIS CASE. IT'S THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT THE BUILDINGS. [1:19:40] IF THESE BUILDINGS ARE TORN DOWN AND REHABBED UNDER THE SECTION 9 [1:19:46] OR RAD, THAT'S GOING TO RUIN THE COMMUNITY. IT WON'T BE THERE ANYMORE. [1:19:51] THEY'LL BE DISPLACED IN THE INTERIM, WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS. IF IT TAKES 3, 4, 5 YEARS, THE [1:19:58] COMMUNITY WILL BE GONE. THIS AREA HAS BEEN THE [1:20:05] IMPORTANCE OF IT IS THE FIRST MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. AND THERE HAVE BEEN ALL KINDS OF [1:20:10] DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE LITERALLY SUNK INTO THE SWAMP. THE SUMNER TOWNHOMES. [1:20:18] THIS IS AN IMPORTANT COMMUNITY. THE $20 MILLION BACKLOG OF [1:20:25] DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ISN'T AN EXCUSE TO GIVE UP ON THE COMMUNITY. [1:20:31] AND I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S A SHAME THAT THE CITY IS [1:20:36] PARTNERING WITH DEVELOPERS AND SQUANDERING ITS INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC HOUSING. THIS CITY SHOULD BE IF ANYTHING, [1:20:42] ESPECIALLY NOW, WE SHOULDN'T BE SELLING THE PUBLIC ASSETS TO PRIVATE DEVELOPERS AND THAT'S [1:20:48] ALL THE RAD PROGRAM IS. IT BRINGS IN PRIVATE DOLLARS AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE CONTROL OF OUR PUBLIC HOUSING. THANK YOU. [1:20:56] >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. SO I WAS WRONG, WE HAVE SIX [1:21:02] NAMES. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL NECESSARILY GET THROUGH THEM [1:21:09] TONIGHT. I'M LOOKING AT ANDREA, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE TO [1:21:16] CONTINUE THIS ITEM. >> CHAIR BJORNBERG, I WOULD ADVISE TO CONTINUE THE ITEM SO [1:21:22] THAT WE ARE ABLE TO END BEFORE 6:00 P.M. AND NOT A SECOND OVER TO NOT BE IN VIOLATION OF STATE [1:21:28] LAW. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. SO I GUESS WITH THAT, IS THERE A [1:21:34] MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM? >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THE ITEM AT THE NEXT [1:21:42] SCHEDULED MEETING, HPC MEETING. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM. IS THERE A SECOND? [1:21:48] >> THOMAS SECONDS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER THOMAS. DO WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON [1:21:57] THAT? >> WE CAN DO A VOICE VOTE. THAT'S FINE. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES] [1:22:06] >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT ITEM IS CONTINUED TO [1:22:12] THE APRIL 2ND -- APRIL 22, 2025 [1:22:23] MEETING. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE, I THINK IT GOES FOR ALL OF US, WE [1:22:28] APPRECIATE EVERYONE SHOWING UP HERE TESTIFYING. IT'S VERY, VERY HELPFUL. I KNOW THAT IT IS VERY NERVE RACKING. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT ALL OF [1:22:35] US USUALLY DO. BUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS BOTH PEOPLE SHOWING UP HERE AND TESTIFYING [1:22:41] TODAY AND YOUR WRITTEN COMMENTS. WE DO GET THOSE AHEAD OF TIME [1:22:47] AND REALLY REVIEW THEM AND TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. [1:22:52] SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND AS I SAID, THIS ITEM WILL BE CONTINUED ON THE APRIL 22, 2025 [1:22:58] MEETING. [1:23:08] ANNOUNCEMENTS? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR BJORNBERG. VERY QUICK, I'LL JUST SAY AS EVERYBODY IS AWARE, OUR SPECIAL [1:23:13] MEETING OF THE HPC IS ON MAY 15TH. AND JUST THE CITY HAS COME OUT [1:23:20] AND PARTNERED WITH THE DOORS OPEN PROGRAM WHICH WILL ALSO BE THE MIDDLE OF MAY. [1:23:26] I BELIEVE IT'S MAY 17 THROUGH MAY 19TH. PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDARS. IT'S A GREAT EVENT AND THAT [1:23:32] CONCLUDES MY ANNOUNCEMENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE'VE COMPLETED ALL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS [1:23:38] MEETING. THERE BEING NO OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE AND WITHOUT OBJECTION, I WILL DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED. [1:23:43] NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THE HPC IS APRIL 22, 2025. THANK YOU.