[0:16] [ GAVEL ] . >> GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE [0:23] BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING COMMITTEE FOR JULY 29, 2025. I'M COUNCIL MEMBER JAMAL OSMAN AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE. [0:30] BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, I WANT TO REMIND ALL MEMBERS, [0:35] STAFF AND THE PUBLIC THAT MEETING IS BROADCAST LIVE TO ENABLE GREETER PUBLIC [0:41] PARTICIPATION. REAL-TIME CAPTIONING TO FURTHER INCREASE ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR PROCEEDINGS [0:47] TO THE COMMUNITY. THEREFORE, ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RATE OF THEIR SPEECH SO THAT [0:53] OUR CAPTIONERS CAN FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST. WE'LL BE USING [1:00] SPEAKER MANAGEMENT. I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL SO WE CAN [1:05] VERIFY A QUORUM. >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> AYE. PRESENT. OH, GOD, SORRY. [1:12] ARE YOU TAKING ROLL CALL? >> YES. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> CASHMAN. [1:18] >> HERE. >> JENKINS IS ABSENT. CHOWDHURY. >> PRESENT. [1:24] >> VICE CHAIR IS ABSENT. CHAIR [1:31] OSMAN. >> PRESENT. >> WE'LL FIRST TAKE OUR CONSENT AGENDA WHICH ITEM 4 THROUGH 16. [1:38] ITEM 4 IS APPROVING FOUR LIQUOR LICENSE. FIVE IS APPROVING 26 [1:44] LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS. FIVE [1:53] APPROVING LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS. -- REZONE PROPERTIES [2:01] LOCATED THERE. EIGHT IS REZONING FROM WESSAM SONBOL TO REZONE [2:08] PROPERTIES AT 2900 CLINTON AVENUE. ITEM 9 IS AUTHORIZING AN [2:15] OWNERSHIP AND OPPORTUNITY FUND LOAN TO PLYMOUTH ACADEMY. TEN IS [2:25] AUTHORIZING CONSENT TO LEASE RELATING TO LIFESOURCE SERVICES. [2:36] ITEM 11 -- 1001 WEST BROADWAY. ITEM 12 IS ACCEPTING AND [2:42] AUTHORIZING A GRANT FROM U.S. HOUSING DEPARTMENT. ITEM 13 IS SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR [2:53] SEPTEMBER 2, 2025, TO CONSIDER 2026 LICENSE FEE SCHEDULE. ITEM 14 IS SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING [3:03] FOR AUGUST 12, 2025, TO RECEIVE A COMMENT ANNUAL PERFORMANCE AND EVALUATION REPORT. ITEM 15 IS [3:08] SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUGUS AUGUST 12TH , 2025 ISSUANCE OF [3:17] TAX EXEMPT REVENUE BONDS OF FOR [3:23] UNIVERSITY GATEWAY. ITEM 16 REFERRING TO STAFF THE SUBJECT [3:31] MATTER OF ORDINANCE AMENDING -- WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS OR [3:38] COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. I AM WONDERING IF ANY STAFF ARE HERE [3:43] THAT COULD HELP ME WITH THE WOMEN'S CLUB LICENSE RENEWAL. I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE THIS [3:49] OPERATION DID SHUT DOWN IN THE SPRING. SO WONDERING WHAT THEY'RE HOPING TO DO HERE AND IF [3:55] WE NEED TO JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION OFF LINE ABOUT THIS IN BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT CITY [4:01] COUNCIL MEETING THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'RE [4:08] GOING TO TOUCH BASE. >> OH, WE ARE. >> WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH BASE ON [4:14] TEAMS. >> ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE ELSE, I WILL MOVE ALL ITEMS FROM [4:22] 4 THROUGH 12, SET UP A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 13, 14, AND REFER ITEM 16 TO STAFF. ALL [4:28] THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE WILL PROCEED TO [4:36] THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR AGENDA. FIRST WE HAVE A [4:43] PUBLIC HEARING ON SALE LIQUOR NO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT LICENSE FOR [4:48] LUCKY SHOTS PICKLEBALL CLUB LOCATED AT 3300 5th STREET [4:55] NORTHEAST. I WILL WELCOME UP LEAD INSPECTOR PHIL COTTERILL TO [5:00] SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. WELCOME, SIR. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR [5:05] OSMAN AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS PHIL COTTERILL. I'M A LICENSED INSPECTOR. I'M [5:12] PRESENTING AN APPLICATION FROM LUCKY SHOTS PICKLEBALL CLUB OWNED BY LUCKY SHOTS LLC AT [5:22] 3300 5th STREET NORTHEAST LOCATED IN WARD 1. SUNDAY SALES [5:27] LICENSE AT THE CURRENT BUSINESS. THE DAY HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE FROM 6:30 A.M. TO 1 A.M. NO [5:38] ALCOHOL SERVICE WILL OCCUR [5:43] UNTIL -- PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 600 FEET OF THE PREMISES. NOTICES WERE ALSO SENT TO THE [5:50] COLUMBIA PARK ASSOCIATION AND COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY. THERE HAVE BEEN NO [5:55] SIGNIFICANT 311 OR POLICE CALLS THAT CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE [6:01] BUSINESS. THE LICENSES AND CONSUMER SERVICES DIVISION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF AN ON [6:07] SALE LIQUOR WITH NO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT LICENSE FOR LUCKY SHOTS PICKLEBALL CLUB. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. AT [6:13] THIS TIME I WILL STAND FOR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I'M GOING TO PROCEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC [6:19] HEARING. AND THE FIRST SIGN UP IS PETER REMES. WELCOME. [6:30] >> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M PETER REMES, OWNER AND [6:36] FOUNDER OF LUCKY SHOTS PICKLEBALL CLUB IN MINNEAPOLIS. [6:42] WE HAVE INDOOR COURTS. I WANT TO WELCOME ALL OF YOU TO COME OVER [6:47] AND PLAY AS MY PERSONAL GUESTS. WE HAVE BEEN SEEKING A LIQUOR LICENSE FOR SOME TIME NOW AND [6:53] LOOKING FORWARD TO A SUCCESSFUL PASSAGE. OFFERING THAT AS A FEATURE TO OUR GUESTS. IF [6:59] THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. >> THANK YOU. [7:04] >> ARE THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE [7:09] THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, THANK [7:16] YOU FOR CREATING THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY IN NORTHEAST, AND MOVE THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL. I [7:22] THINK LUCKY SHOTS HAVING SHOTS IN THE NAME ALREADY HAD ME THINKING THIS WAS A BAR. NOW [7:28] THAT WILL MAKE EVEN MORE SENSE. REALLY ENJOYED THE MINNEAPOLIS CIDER COMPANY THAT [7:37] IS IN NORTHEAST. I THINK IT'S A [7:44] GREAT COMBINATION THAT MINNEAPOLISANS LOVE. >> BEFORE I RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE, I WILL LIKE TO [7:51] RECOGNIZE WE HAVE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS. COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO [7:57] WELCOME YOU IN YOUR GREAT, THE GREAT CONTRIBUTION YOU'RE MAKING [8:02] TO NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS. YOU RUN A GREAT BUSINESS UP THERE. I'M GOING TO BE VOTING FOR THIS. THANK YOU FOR INVESTING IN THAT [8:08] OLD BUILDING. IT'S JUST AMAZING WHAT YOU DO TO THESE OLD INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, PUT THEM [8:13] BACK ONLINE TO A NEW USE. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO, PETER. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THE [8:21] ITEM APPROVAL? >> I DID. >> OH, YOU DID. COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN MOVED THE ITEM. ANYONE [8:27] ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, ON THAT MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. [8:33] >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. NEXT, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ON SALE LIQUOR, [8:41] GENERAL ENTERTAINMENT AT 2 A.M. LICENSE FOR LA DONA LOCATED AT [8:46] 241 FREMONT AVENUE NORTH. I'LL WELCOME SARAH GRAYS FROM BUSINESS LICENSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. WELCOME. [8:52] >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M LICENSE INSPECTOR SARA GRAYS WITH [8:59] LICENSES AND CONSUMER SERVICES. I'M REPRESENTING AN APPLICATION FROM LA DONA SBC LLC DOING [9:07] BUSINESS AS LA DONA. THEY'RE [9:13] LOCATED AT 241 FREMONT AVENUE [9:19] NORTH. ON SALE LIQUOR LICENSE SUNDAY SALES. IF APPROVED, THEY [9:29] PLAN MIXED DRINKS -- AND FOOD MENU. THEY'RE ABLE TO SERVE [9:35] APPROXIMATELY 200 PATRONS AT TABLES AND BAR SEATING INSIDE. [9:41] AND ALSO HAVE AN OUTSIDE PRIVATE PATIO WHICH HAS A CAPACITY OF 200. THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION [9:46] ARE FOR BOTH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR HOURS ARE CURRENTLY TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 4:00 TO [9:53] 11 P.M. FRIDAY, FROM 3 P.M. TO 11 P.M. SATURDAY FROM 12 P.M. TO 11 P.M., AND SUNDAY FROM 12 P.M. [9:58] TO 8 P.M. ON JULY 15TH, 2025, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT [10:05] TO RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS AND POSTED ON ALL RESIDENTIAL [10:11] BUSINESS BUILDINGS WITHIN 600 FEET OF THE PREMISES. NOTICES WERE ALSO SENT TO THE HARRISON [10:16] NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. WE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY. A REVIEW OF ANY [10:22] COMPLAINTS, 311 CALLS, POLICE CALLS AND OTHER OPERATING CONDITIONS FOUND NO SIGNIFICANT [10:28] ISSUES CONCERNING THE BUSINESS, AND ISSUANCE OF THIS LICENSE. THE LICENSES AND CONSUMER [10:34] SERVICES DIVISION RECOMMENDS AN ON SALE LIQUOR BREW PUB GENERAL [10:44] ENTERTAINMENT WITH 2 A.M. SALES LICENSE FOR LA DONA. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I WILL STAND FOR ANY COMMENTS OR [10:49] QUESTIONS. >> I'M GOING TO PROCEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. FIRST PERSON I SEE IS SERGIO MANANSERO. [10:56] WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. I'LL TRY TO [11:01] REMEMBER TO SPEAK SLOWLY ENOUGH FOR THE CAPTIONING. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THIS UP. WE'VE [11:07] BEEN IN OPERATION FOR SEVEN YEARS AND SO WE'RE EXCITED TO EXPAND TO NEW TERRITORY AT LA [11:12] DONA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. ARE THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS [11:19] ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. [11:27] AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON FROM WARD 5 IS NOT HERE, I'M VERY HAPPY TO MAKE THIS MOTION. [11:32] SERGIO, THANKS FOR CREATING SUCH A WELCOMING SPACE AT LA DONA AND ALL THE COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT [11:38] HAPPEN THERE ARE JUST REALLY POSITIVE. I KNOW THE BRINMARK COMMUNITY REALLY APPRECIATES [11:44] HAVING LA DONA RIGHT OVER BASSETT CREEK AND HARRISON. [11:50] HAPPY TO MOVE THIS ITEM. >> THANK YOU. SEEING NO ONE ELSE ON THAT MOTION, ALL THOSE IN [11:55] FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION [12:01] CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE WILL BE TAKING QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. [12:09] ITEM 3 IS A VARIANCE APPEAL SUBMITTED BY FAITH KUMON ON BEHALF OF PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS [12:15] FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 3601 AND 3701 WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH. THIS APPEAL COMES FROM A [12:23] DECISION OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. I WILL HAVE HILLARY [12:33] FROM CPED TO PROVIDE PRESENTATION OF THIS ITEM. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, [12:39] COUNCIL MEMBERS, CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M HILARY [12:45] DVORAK, PRESERVATION SECTION OF CPED. WE ARE HERE FOR AN APPEAL [12:51] CONCERNING AN APPEAL SUBMITTED BY PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS LLC REGARDING THE DECISION OF THE [12:57] CITY PLANNING COMMISSION FROM THE JULY 7TH MEETING TO APPROVE A VARIANCE TO INCLUDE THE [13:04] AMOUNTS OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS FROM 14 TO 10 ON THE SITE LOCATED AT 3701 AND [13:12] 3601 WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH. THE APPELLANT'S VARIANCE REQUEST WAS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF EV [13:17] CHARGING STATIONS FROM 14 TO ZERO. THE CITY PLANNING [13:23] COMMISSION APPROVED A VARIANCE FROM 14 TO 10. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A [13:31] 287-SPACE PRINCIPLE SURFACE PARKING LOT ON THE SITE. THE [13:37] PROPOSE WOULD BE DIVIDED INTO TWO ZONES. 74 PARKING SPACES. [13:43] PAID PARKING AND WOULD HAVE 213 PARKING SPACES. PAID PARKING [13:48] SPACES WOULD BE PRE-ORDERED WITH A TICKET PURCHASED TO THE COMMUNITY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. THERE WILL BE TWO [13:55] VEHICLE ACCESS POINTS LEADING INTO AND OUT OF THE PRINCIPLE SERVICE PARKING LOT. ONE IS MID [14:02] BLOCK ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH AND THE OTHER IS LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHERN END OF THE [14:07] SITE. GATES LOCATED AT EACH OF THE VEHICLE ENTRANCES AS THE PRINCIPLE SERVICE PARKING LOT [14:12] WOULD BE GATED OFF WHEN NOT IN USE. AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW PERFORMING ARTS [14:23] CENTER, AN ETMP. THE PURPOSE IS TO DEFINE THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AND STRATEGIES THAT WILL [14:29] BE USED TO TRAVEL TO AND FROM THE EVENT AND TO LIMIT TRAFFIC [14:35] IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORHOODS. REFINED AS THE DEVELOPMENT [14:40] APPROACHES COMPLETION WHICH WILL SERVE AS A MANUAL FOR DAY OPERATIONS. MONITORED BY THE [14:48] APPLICANT, THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS, AND MINNEAPOLIS PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, AND WILL BE ADJUSTED AS NEEDED. THE [14:54] ETMP WILL NEED TO BE APPROVED BY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS BEFORE THE CERTIFICATE OF [15:00] OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED FOR THE CPACK. THE CPACK HAS NO ON SITE [15:08] PARKING. SHUTTLE BUSES MEANS FOR GUESTS TO GET TO AND FROM THE [15:16] AMPHITHEATER. THE RIDE SHARE WILL ACCOMMODATE VEHICLES. 38% [15:26] OR APPROXIMATELY 3,000 GUESTS WILL ARRIVE VIA RIDE SHARE. EACH VEHICLES OCCUPIED BY AT LEAST [15:31] TWO PEOPLE. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 5% OF THE OVERALL GUESTS. THE PRINCIPLE SERVICE [15:44] PARKING LOT -- SO JUST TO ORIENT EVERYONE. THIS IS DOWELLING [15:51] AVENUE. TO THE RIGHT OF YOUR SCREEN IS THE NORTH. THE PARKING LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE IS LOCATED ON PARCEL [15:58] 7A AND 7B, 3601 AND 3701 [16:04] WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH. AND THE [16:10] CPAC IS RIGHT HERE. SO THIS PARKING LOT SUPPORTS THE CPAC. [16:16] THE PROPOSED PRINCIPLE SURFACE PARKING LOT IS LOCATED ONE-THIRD OF A MILE FROM THE CPAC. PUBLIC [16:26] SIDEWALKS TO TRAVEL BETWEEN THEIR SURFACE PARKING AND THE CPAC. THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES [16:31] THAT NEWLY ESTABLISHED SURFACE PARKING LOTS PROVIDING 20 OR MORE SPACES SHOULD SUPPLY NOT [16:36] LESS THAN 5% OF THE NEWLY ESTABLISHED SPACES WITH ELECTRIC [16:43] VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS. WITH 287 PROPOSED PARKING SPACES, A TOTAL OF 14 ELECTRIC VEHICLE [16:49] PARKING STATIONS WOULD BE REQUIRED. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING TO HAVE ANY ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS ON [16:55] THIS SITE. THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION BASED ON A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES APPROVED THE [17:01] VARIANCE FROM 14 TO 10, NOT 14 TO 0. THE PRINCIPLE SURFACE [17:07] PARKING LOT WOULD SERVE THE CPAC WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE [17:14] CONSTRUCTED AT 3501. IT COULD HAVE UP TO 54 TICKETED EVENTS PER YEAR, WITH AN ADDITIONAL [17:21] NON-TICKETED EVENTS PER YEAR. THE EXPECTATION IS THAT LARGER [17:26] TICKETED EVENTS WILL BE HELD IN MID MAY OR LATER. DURING ONE [17:33] CALENDAR YEAR, 25% OF THE YEAR. FOR A -- SHOW WOULD END AT [17:41] 10:00. THERE WOULD BE GATES LOCATED AT EACH OF THE VEHICLE ENTRANCES AS THE SURFACE PARKING LOT WOULD NOT BE IN USE WHEN THE [17:51] CPAC IS NOT IN USE. CHALLENGES EXISTING COMPLIANT ORDINANCES BECAUSE OF CIRCUMSTANCES UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED [17:57] PRINCIPLE SURFACE PARKING LOT WILL ONLY BE USED 25% OF THE [18:02] YEAR. AND GATED WHEN THERE ARE NO CPAC. -- USED FOR RIDE [18:08] SHARING WHICH WOULD TURN OVER MANY TIMES DURING AN EVENT. PRINCIPLE SURFACE PARKING LOT [18:13] OVER THE COURSE OF ONE YEAR CREATES CHALLENGES IN COMPLYING [18:19] WITH THE ZONING CODE. CPED STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE. THE CITY PLANNING [18:24] COMMISSION, HOWEVER, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES APPROVED THE VARIANCE FROM 14 TO [18:31] 10. AND THAT ACTION WAS APPEALED BY THE APPELLANT, WHO IS HERE TO [18:37] SPEAK TO THE ITEM. AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I AM STANDING FOR ANY QUESTIONS. [18:42] >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. IF THE APPELLANT [18:49] IS PRESENT AT TODAY'S MEETING, I WILL ALLOW SEVEN MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE. ANYONE [18:55] ELSE SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO MINUTES. WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND WELCOME THE [19:02] APPELLANT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MYSELF NAME IS FAITH KUMON WITH NTH HERE ON [19:12] BEHALF OF THE PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS. AS HILLARY NOTED, THE PARKING LOT HERE ON PARCEL 7 [19:19] IS A TEMPORARY USE. IT WILL BE USED PRIMARILY FOR EVENTS AT THE [19:25] COMMUNITY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, INCLUDING UP TO 54 EVENTS, AND A CURRENTLY [19:31] UNDEFINED NUMBER OF COMMUNITY EVENTS. AS A SEASONAL VENUE, [19:36] CPAC WILL ONLY BE USED IN THE SUMMER. AND THE PARKING LOT WILL NOT BE USED IN THE WINTER [19:42] BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NEEDED BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR THE SEASONAL [19:47] VENUE. THE PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS [19:54] LOOKED INTO LEASING TO AN EV CHARGING COMPANY THAT COULD PROVIDE AN APP-BASED SERVICE. [20:00] HOWEVER, BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS THAT OUR ENGINEERS PROVIDED, THE VALUE OF [20:06] ELECTRICITY IS A FRACTION OF THE INSTALLATION COST. WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE A VERY [20:12] COMPETITIVE OPTION FOR AN EV LEASING TYPE OF COMPANY. LASTLY, [20:20] THE PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS REVIEWED BEST PRACTICES AROUND THE [20:25] PREVENTION. ACTIVE SURVEILLANCE FROM NEARBY BUILDINGS. [20:31] UNFORTUNATELY, THIS LOCATION IS IN BETWEEN OFF RAMP FOR THE [20:37] FREEWAY, AND VACANT LAND CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. WITHOUT OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THAT ACTIVE LENS, WE [20:47] ARE CONCERNED IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A TARGET. AS A RESULT, WE DON'T THINK EV CHARGERS ARE GOING TO BE THE [20:53] BEST THING HERE AT THIS TIME. AND WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO NOT PROVIDE THEM. THANK YOU. [20:59] >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD [21:05] LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? [21:10] SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN. [21:17] >> SURE. YEAH, I WAS STILL IN QUEUE FROM THE LAST ITEM. BUT I ACTUALLY DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR [21:23] STAFF ON THIS ONE. I AM JUST WONDERING WHAT CODE OR LAW IS [21:33] ACTUALLY REQUIRING THE EV CHARGERS BECAUSE I COULDN'T QUITE FIND THAT IN THE MATERIALS [21:38] FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. LIKE WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ADHERING TO THAT THEY NEED A VARIANCE FROM. [21:45] >> THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES ANY TIME A NEW PRINCIPLE, A NEW [21:51] SURFACE PARKING LOT IS CONSTRUCTED, THERE ARE STANDARDS BASED ON THE TYPES OF USES. IN [21:56] THIS CASE, IT'S 5% OF THE TOTAL [22:02] NUMBER OF SPACES NEED TO HAVE EV [22:07] CHARGING. SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY AND THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING THE VARIANCE FROM. >> OKAY. THANKS. WHAT WAS THE [22:13] STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WHAT DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDE? >> WE WERE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL [22:20] OF THE VARIANCE FROM 14 DOWN TO 0. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION [22:26] APPROVED A VARIANCE FROM 14 TO 10. AND HOW THEY CHOSE 10 IS [22:31] BASED ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SPACES MINUS THE 74 SPACES IN [22:38] THE RIDE SHARE LOT. THEY WERE BASING 5% ON 213 INSTEAD OF 5% [22:43] ON THE TOTAL 287. >> OKAY. THANKS. >> MM-HMM. >> THANK YOU. I WILL RECOGNIZE [22:50] COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE [22:56] WE'VE GOT SOME REAL PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY THAT THE STAFF HAS [23:01] PRESENTED. AND YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO YOU KNOW HEAR DIFFERENT [23:06] PERSPECTIVES FROM MY COLLEAGUES. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PARCEL THAT IS AS THE APPLICANT [23:13] MENTIONED IS UNIQUELY SITUATED. IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MIDDLE OF NOWHERE SPACES IN THE [23:19] CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. IT'S GOING TO SOON NOT BE THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. BUT CURRENTLY, THIS IS THE SITUATION IT'S IN. SO I FEEL [23:25] LIKE WE HAVE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HEARD WHY IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR THE EV [23:32] STATIONS TO GO THERE. AND YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD -- ANY OTHER PARCEL IN THE CITY [23:38] WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO MEET THESE CONDITIONS. THAT'S MY OPINION. I THINK FOR THAT REASON [23:44] IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO APPROVE THIS APPEAL, AND GRANT THE [23:50] VARIANCE DOWN TO ZERO EV CHARGING STATIONS. HAPPY TO HEAR OTHER PERSPECTIVES, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT [23:57] MOTION. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> YES. I AGREE WITH THAT MOTION [24:03] TO APPROVE, GRANT THE APPEAL. WHAT SWAYS ME IS THAT THIS IS [24:09] TEMPORARY. IT'S VERY TEMPORARY AS WELL AS SEASONAL. AND COMMON [24:17] SENSE WOULD DICTATE WE SHOULD DO THIS AND NOT INSIST ON THIS EXTRA MONEY FOR THIS LOT. [24:22] >> THANK YOU. I SEE CITY ATTORNEY RECOGNIZED BEFORE COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST WANT [24:27] TO REMIND THE BODY THAT IF THE MOTION BEFORE YOU IS TO GRANT THE APPEAL DOWN TO ZERO, YOU NEED TO MAKE THE MOTION TO BOTH [24:35] GRANT THE APPEAL AND ADOPT THE FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SO MOVED IF THAT'S [24:41] PERMISSIBLE TO THE CLERKS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR OSMAN. I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO [24:52] THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION AND JUST CONTEXTUALIZE THAT [24:57] THERE WERE SEVEN DIFFERENT ITEMS BEFORE US RELATED TO THIS THAT WERE KIND OF ALL PACKAGED [25:02] TOGETHER. ALL THOSE WERE APPROVED. THIS WAS THE ONE WHERE THERE WAS KIND OF A COMPROMISE [25:08] MADE. I THINK IT WAS JUST THE FACT THAT LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE SO MUCH VEHICLE USE AT THE [25:14] SITE EVEN IF IT IS FOR PART OF THE YEAR. AND I THINK FOR A LOT [25:20] OF THE COMMISSIONERS, IT WAS KIND OF DIFFICULT TO SEE THAT WE [25:26] WOULDN'T BE ENCOURAGING IN THIS LOCATION, CITY OWNED SITE, [25:31] ELECTRIC VEHICLES, A CLEANER TYPE OF USE. AND KIND OF LOOKING [25:36] OUT INTO THE FUTURE. FOR ME, I THINK I'M GOING TO STICK WITH THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING [25:41] COMMISSION FOR THAT REASON. I THINK THERE IS JUST SOME GREATER THINKING THAT WE NEED TO DO AS [25:49] IT COMES TO CENTERING OPTIONS [25:56] THAT ARE NON-CAR WAYS TO GET TO THE CPAC. AND I THINK THAT IS A PRESENT CONCERN AND I THINK IT'S [26:02] GOING TO BE BUILT OUT. BUT KIND OF AT THIS MOMENT FEELS LIKE IT'S AT RISK OF BEING AN AFTER [26:08] THOUGHT. SO I HOPE THERE'S MORE WORK BEING DONE. SO FOR THAT REASON, I AM GOING TO STICK WITH [26:16] THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION. AND I'M ALSO OPEN IF THERE'S A DISCUSSION TO HAVE [26:25] EVEN FEWER EV CHARGING SPOTS. I UNDERSTAND 10 MIGHT BE DIFFICULT. WHAT IF THERE'S THREE [26:31] OR FOUR FOR THE VISITORS THAT ARE COMING. THERE'S DATA AND [26:36] INFORMATION TO BACK THAT HAVING OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR ELECTRIC [26:43] CAR USERS ENCOURAGES THEM, ENCOURAGES PEOPLE THAT USE THAT TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION TO ARE [26:48] HERE, AND ENCOURAGES THAT TYPE OF USE. WE KNOW THAT AS A CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS, WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PLACES IN OUR CITY [26:55] WHERE THERE ARE THOSE OPTIONS. [27:00] AND OFTENTIMES AVAILABLE NEAR MUNICIPALLY OWNED BUILDINGS. [27:07] >> THANK YOU. CHAIR ELLISON. >> I WANTED TO SHOUT ON THE THE [27:14] NEWS FOLKS IN THE CROWD TODAY. I SEE STAFF HERE. YOU GUYS DO GREAT WORK. YOU KNOW. I HOPE WE [27:20] CAN TEACH YOU SOMETHING. I KNOW THESE MEETINGS GET REALLY TEDIOUS AND BORING. I HOPE [27:26] THERE'S A WAY TO EXTRACT SOME LEARNING. I WANTED TO NAME THAT. SO THANK YOU, GUYS. I THINK THAT [27:33] THE POINTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY MADE ARE REALLY FAIR [27:41] ENOUGH, AND COMMON SENSE. THE THINGS I THINK ABOUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT THESE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES ARE WHAT HAPPENS IF [27:50] WE GIVEN THERE'S NO SURV SURVEILLANCE, GIVEN THAT THERE'S NO BUILDINGS SURROUNDING THIS [27:57] AREA. WHAT IF THESE CHARGING STATIONS GO IN AND THEY'RE RIPPED FOR COPPER. IT'S NOT [28:03] SOMETHING THAT'S NEW TO EV CHARGING STATIONS. SO WE WON'T HAVE THE CHARGING STATIONS AND WE'LL HAVE THIS EXPENSE TO THE [28:10] DEVELOPER. I THINK THEY'RE SLATED, AND USUALLY I TRY NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T [28:17] IMMEDIATELY KNOW THE ANSWER TO. BUT FOR STAFF, OTHER STRUCTURES [28:23] NEAR THIS SITE. I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THIS SPECIFIC PARKING LOT'S SITE, BUT IS THAT GOING TO STAY [28:28] A PARKING LOT? IS IT GOING TO BE HOUSING IN THE FUTURE OR A PORTION OF IT GOING TO BE [28:33] HOUSING IN THE FUTURE? IF YOU CAN REFRESH MY MEMORY. [28:39] >> PARCEL 7 IS PROPOSED TO BE A 15-STORY BUILDING MIXED USE WITH [28:45] STRUCTURED PARKING THAT WOULD THEN SUPPORT THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. THE CPAC IS HERE ON [28:51] PARCEL 3. EVERYTHING ALONG THE RIVER IS PARK LAND. TWO PARCELS [28:57] UP HERE, ONE AND TWO HOUSING. PARCEL 8 IS PLANNED TO BE MIXED [29:02] USE WITH HOUSING. 6B IS HEALTH HUB. PARCELS 4, PART OF THE CPAC [29:10] ARE JOB-FOCUSED TYPES OF USES. SO YES, THERE IS HOUSING NORTH OF THE CPAC. ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT [29:17] IS COMING. >> SO I REALLY THINK THAT AS THE FULL PLAN GETS BUILT OUT AND THE [29:24] CONCERT VENUE IS KIND OF THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT. AS WE SEE HOUSING COME ONLINE HERE, AS WE [29:30] SEE ON THIS VERY PARCEL BOTH PARKING AND HOUSING COME ONLINE IN THE FUTURE, I FEEL LIKE [29:35] THAT'S A PLACE TO REVISIT THE EV CHARGING STATIONS. THERE WILL BE AN ABILITY TO SECURE THEM. THERE [29:40] WILL BE PEOPLE LIVING NEAR THEM. THERE WILL BE MORE 24-HOUR [29:47] ACCESS TO THEM. AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF SWAYING ME TO SAY, YOU KNOW, [29:52] THIS IS TEMPORARY. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE, I HOPE THIS PARKING [29:59] LOT IS NOT THERE, YOU KNOW, 10, 10 YEARS FROM 20 YEARS FROM NOW. [30:08] BUT THIS IS A RELATIVE OPTION AND THAT'S WHY I'M MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STAFF'S [30:15] FINDINGS. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. [30:22] REALLY APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON'S THINKING ABOUT THIS. I HOPE THIS DOESN'T REMAIN TO BE AN EMPTY PARKING LOT FOR A [30:28] MAJORITY OF THE YEAR EITHER. I DO WANT TO KIND OF CHIME IN ON THIS ARGUMENT AROUND SAFETY AND [30:34] THEFT. AND JUST CAUTION US AROUND IT FOR FUTURE EV STATIONS AND CURRENT EV STATIONS BECAUSE [30:41] IT COULD POTENTIALLY JUST UNDERMINED BUILDING ACROSS THE CITY. SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT [30:47] THIS CALENDAR YEAR IS WE HAVE NEW STATE LAW IN PLACE WHERE IF YOU ARE SELLING COPPER TO A [30:53] SCRAP METAL SELLER AND BUYER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE OR THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT IT. THAT'S [31:01] A MAJOR DETERRENT. I'M GLAD WE HAVE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN LIGHTS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY UNLIT [31:08] FOR SOME TIME DUE TO COPPER WIRE THEFT. STAFF HAS SHARED OVER [31:14] PUBLIC WORKS SPECIFICALLY THAT THE NEW STATE LAW HAS BEEN A HELPFUL DETERRENT. I DON'T THINK SAFETY FOR ME IN TERMS OF COPPER [31:20] WIRE THEFT HERE IS A COMPELLING ARGUMENT AGAINST EV CHARGING [31:26] STATIONS. AND EVEN IN AREAS WHERE THERE IS SECURITY, SURVEILLANCE, EYES ON THE STREET, LIKE THAT THEFT HAS ALSO [31:34] OCCURRED. AND THE REAL DETERRENT IS GOING TO BE THIS TYPE OF STATE LAW THAT MAKES IT [31:39] IMPOSSIBLE FOR INDIVIDUALS TO SELL NOW ILLEGALLY. >> OKAY. SEEING NO ONE ELSE, [31:48] WITH THE MOTION TO GRANT THE APPEAL, I'LL ASK CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [31:53] >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> AYE. >> CASHMAN. >> AYE. >> JENKINS. >> AYE. [31:58] >> CHOWDHURY. >> NAY. >> VICE CHAIR ELLISON. >> AYE. >> CHAIR OSMAN. >> AYE. [32:03] >> THERE ARE FIVE AYES AND ONE NAY. [32:09] >> THAT MOTION CARRIES. YES, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. >> FOR THE CLERKS, CAN I BE NOTED AS AYE ON ALL THE ITEMS [32:14] THAT I MISSED. >> PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. OUR LAST ITEM IS RECEIVE AND FILE FROM [32:24] REGULATORY SERVICES DEPARTMENT RELATED TO THE ENCAMPMENT CLOSURE REPORT. THE REPORT HERE [32:29] IS QUARTER ONE DATA WHICH IS FROM DECEMBER 19, 2024, [32:35] THROUGHOUT MARCH 18, 2025. I BELIEVE STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. DO ANY OF MY [32:43] COLLEAGUES HAVE QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY, WERE YOU GOING TO -- [32:48] >> YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR OSMAN. THIS IS FOR THE RECEIVE [32:54] AND FILE, CORRECT? >> YEAH. >> SO I WANTED TO MOVE THIS ITEM [33:01] TO THE NEXT BHZ MEETING FOR PRESENTATION. IT WAS SET NOT TO HAVE A PRESENTATION. AND I WANT [33:08] TO GIVE OUR STAFF SOME TIME TO PREPARE AND BE READY FOR [33:13] QUESTIONS. FOR ME PERSONALLY, AS AN AUTHOR OF THE ENCAMPMENT [33:22] REMOVAL ORDINANCE, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET REGULAR PRESENTATIONS EVERY QUARTER. I HOPE THAT CAN BE AN EXPECTATION [33:28] THAT WE SET INTO THE FUTURE. THE MAIN LEGISLATIVE INTENT AROUND THE ORDINANCE WAS GREATER [33:37] TRANSPARENCY AND OVERSIGHT OVER A FUNCTION THAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATION CARRIES OUT IN TERMS OF REMOVING ENCAMPMENTS [33:45] AND WHAT HAPPENS TO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WITHIN ENCAMPMENTS. [33:50] WE'RE SEEING RAPID CHANGES OVER JUST EVEN THIS CALENDAR YEAR IN [33:56] HOW THE CITY IS ENGAGING WITH ENCAMPMENTS AND UNHOUSED PEOPLE. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT [34:02] THAT WE TAKE THE TIME TO GET A PRESENTATION. AND I HOPE MOVING FORWARD FOR QUARTER TWO, QUARTER [34:08] THREE, QUARTER FOUR, WE CAN EXPECT PRESENTATIONS IN THIS [34:14] COMMITTEE. AND I APPRECIATE STAFF'S EFFORTS IN PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. AND I'M HAPPY TO MEET TO DISCUSS WITH THEM AHEAD OF [34:23] THE NEXT BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING MEETING WHAT I'M HOPING TO HEAR FROM IN THIS [34:30] PRESENTATION. I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT, AND POTENTIALLY WE COULD HAVE THAT MEETING TOGETHER. [34:40] >> COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO SECOND THIS MOTION TO PROCEED [34:46] TO THE NEXT MEETING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THE PRESENTATION WILL BE [34:52] VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THIS ELEMENT OF SEASONALITY. THE [34:57] RESPONSE TO ENCAMPMENTS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE SLEEPING OUTSIDE VARIES BY SEASON, AND I [35:03] PERSONALLY HAVE HAD IN WARD 7, YOU KNOW, GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS CAMPING OVERNIGHT IN SOME OF OUR PUBLIC SPACES AND HAVE WORKED [35:09] WITH THE HOMELESS RESPONSE TEAM TO RESPOND AND TO HAVE SERVICE [35:16] PROVIDERS ON SITE OFFERING. I THINK IT WAS BETTER FUTURES WHO [35:23] CAME OUT TO PROVIDE RESOURCES FOR INDIVIDUALS. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT CONSISTENCY CITY WIDE. I [35:28] WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THE HOMELESS RESPONSE TEAM AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHO ARE COLLABORATING WITH THEM ARE [35:36] RESPONDING IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY, AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR, AND ALSO TO DIFFERENT [35:42] LEVELS OF QUANTITY OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE GROUPED TOGETHER. THOSE ARE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS HEADING INTO THE [35:49] PRESENTATION NEXT CYCLE. SO THANKS FOR -- THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY, FOR WORKING [35:55] WITH STAFF ON MAKING THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU. SO I'M JUST [36:02] CONCERNED, COUNCIL MEMBER -- OR CONFUSED, COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE ISSUE WITH THE REPORT ITSELF. [36:08] IT'S QUESTIONS YOU HAVE GOING FORWARD, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO GIVE THE STAFF MORE TIME FOR? [36:15] NOT THE ACTUAL REPORT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE AND THROUGH THE CHAIR, [36:20] STAFF JUST DID NOT HAVE TIME TO PREPARE FOR A PRESENTATION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AT AGENDA [36:25] SETTING THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE A PRESENTATION SET. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET A PRESENTATION. THEY DID A [36:33] PHENOMENAL JOB THE LAST ENCAMPMENT REPORT FOR LAST [36:38] QUARTER GIVING US DETAILS ON [36:44] WHAT THE REPORT ACTUALLY NEEDS. IF WE LOOK AT WHAT'S ATTACHED TO THE LIMS FILE, IT'S A REALLY [36:50] GREAT SPREAD SHEET WITH NUMBERS, BUT I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO GET A REAL PRESENTATION BOTH FOR [36:56] OURSELVES AND COLLEAGUES AND THE PUBLIC. YEAH, WAS THAT NOT [37:03] CLEAR? >> SO COULD YOU JUST BE CLEAR? >> YEAH. GO AHEAD. >> SO THE QUESTION I ASKED WAS [37:10] YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE REPORT. IT'S JUST THAT YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS GOING INTO THE [37:16] FUTURE ON HOW WE RESPOND? >> SO WHY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE [37:24] THIS IN NEXT BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING MEETING IS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT I HAVE RECEIVED [37:30] ENOUGH TRANSPARENCY AND CLARITY WITHOUT A PRESENTATION, AND NEITHER HAS THE PUBLIC. I THINK IT SHOULD BE COMMON PRACTICE [37:36] THAT WE GET A PRESENTATION. STAFF'S NOT PREPARED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION TODAY. SO I WANTED TO GIVE THEM THE TIME IN THE [37:43] NEXT TWO WEEKS TO PREPARE A PRESENTATION. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. [37:49] >> JUST A LITTLE BIT CLARITY. DURING THE PRESENTATION -- DURING THE AGENDA SETTING, WE [37:55] DID TALK ABOUT STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME. SO THAT'S WHAT WAS [38:01] DECIDED. BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY WANTS A FULL PRESENTATION PREPARED BY THE STAFF, AND I SUPPORT THAT. [38:07] COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. >> I WAS GOING TO ADD I PARTIALLY BLAME MYSELF. I'M TYPICALLY ANTI-PRESENTATION. SO [38:14] SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF PRIORITY FOR ME. AND BUT I THINK THAT YEAH, WE AS [38:21] CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR I THINK HAVE SOME CLARITY AND I THINK STAFF HAVE SOME CLARITY THAT THE [38:26] INTENT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO AUTHORED THE STAFF DIRECTION WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE I [38:31] BELIEVE QUARTERLY, A QUARTERLY REPORT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL ALL NOTE FOR THE FUTURE. I THINK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH [38:38] GETTING A PRESENTATION TO HELP US TRACK OVER TIME WHAT'S STAYING THE SAME, WHAT'S [38:44] WORKING, WHAT'S NOT WORKING. I THINK TRANSPARENCY WOULD BE GOOD. AS LONG AS WE CAN GET [38:51] STAFF QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, I THINK STAFF WILL BE READY NOT ONLY TO [38:56] GIVE THE REPORT BUT ALSO TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT AREN'T ANSWERED BY THE REPORT ITSELF. [39:02] SO THAT'S IT AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY, FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SEEING [39:11] NO OTHER PERSON HERE, WITH THE MOTION TO DELAY ONE MORE CYCLE [39:17] FOR STAFF TO COME BACK AND GIVE PRESENTATION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. [39:23] THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE US WITH [39:29] NO OBJECTION, I'LL DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.