Welcome to the regular meeting of thePublic Health, Safety, and Equity Committee for May 13, 2026.I am Jason Chavez, the chair of this committee.Before we begin the meeting, I want to offer a friendly reminder to allmembers, staff, and the public that these meetings are broadcast live toenable greater public participation. These broadcasts include real-timecaptioning as a further method to increase the accessibility of ourproceedings to the community. Therefore, all speakers need to bemindful of the rate of their speech so that our captioners can fully captureand transcribe all comments for the broadcast.We ask all speakers to moderate the speed and clarity of their comments. Atthis time, I'll ask the clerk to call the roll so we can verify a quorum forthis meeting. Council member Payne. Present. Warsame.Present. Rainville is absent. Vita. Present. Whiting. Present.Vice Chair Stevenson. Present. Chair Chavez. Present.That is six members present. Let the record reflectLet the record reflect that we have quorum and we'll be joined by CouncilMember Rainville shortly. I'll remind my colleagues that we'll be using speakermanagement today. So, if we can confirm that it works for all of you, otherwisewe'll go to badges. Good. All right.Our agenda is in front of us and we will begin with the consent agenda. Itemnumber one authorizes a contract with Forest Lake Sportsman's Club for policein-service trainings and outdoor range facility use. Staff did provide a memowith background information on the contract and images of the site, whichhas been included on the LIMS file. Item number two is a contract amendmentwith AGE and Associates Inc. and GBR Inc. for interpreting translationservices. Item number three approves a contractamendment with Certified Language International LLC for remoteinterpreting services. Item number four authorizes thesubmittal of a grant application to the Minnesota Department of Public Safety,Homeland Security and Emergency Management for bomb detection equipmentand training. Item number five and six accepts grantsfrom the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animal and SpayNeuter Training Conference attendance. Item number seven approves a giftacceptance for site visit to the Chateau Health and Wellness Recovery Center.Item number eight approves a gift acceptance for drone assessment andresponse tactics training. Item number nine approves a giftacceptance conference attendance at Developing Executive Leaders in PublicHealth. Item number 10 approves a giftacceptance of portable radio kits for the fire department.Item number 11 authorizes a joint powers agreement with Hennepin County forprovision of domestic violence advocacy service. I will note that due to anerror, staff have requested this item not to exceed the amount to be updatedto $250,000. Item number 12 approves thereinstatement of the rental dwelling license for 4010Dupont Avenue North. Item number 13 refers to staff thesubject matter of an infectious disease ordinance.Item number 14 authorizes a contract with the Minneapolis DowntownImprovement District for safety outreach services.Item number 15 says a public hearing for June 3rd to consider mayor's nominationof Brian O'Hara to be appointed to position of police chief for a termending January 2030. Colleagues, is there any discussion or are there anyitems that anybody would like to pull for further discussion?First, I'll pass it to Council President Payne.Uh thank you, Chair Chavez. As you all know, we received the mayor's nominationof Brian O'Hara for police chief last Thursday at our Council meeting. It wasa late-breaking letter uh the evening the before the meeting.Uh per our standard process, that gets referred to the subject mattercommittee. That is this committee today uhfor setting a public hearing, which we have on our agenda for June 3rd for afinal determination on June 11th. Uh I'm working really closely with thecity attorney's office because we are anticipatinguh the next semi-annual Elifa report forthe settlement agreement implementation, where there would be really valuableinformation in that report as it relates to how we're doing on the implementationof the settlement agreement. I think it would be extraordinarily important forum us as decision-makers, but almost moreimportantly the public to be able to see the contents of that report before we dotake that final determination of a vote. Um at this time, we don't know thespecific date that we are should get that report. It could be possible thatit could come as early as the beginning of June and be here in time for the eventhe public hearing and the final vote. Or we may learn that it's going to comelater in the month. I'm trying to stay on top of when that willhappen, and so as we set the date for our standardtimeline for June 3rd for the public hearing, once we get to June 3rd and weknow more specifics about when that report might come, I may want tohold that nomination until we get that report, but at this time we don't havethat information. So, I just wanted to give you all thatupdate and the public that update. So,Council member Wansley. Thank you Chair Chavez. I want to makesome comments in regards to item number one, which is the contract with ForestLake Sportsman's Club for police in-service trainings and outdoor rangefacility use. I'm excited to see another one of thesetype of contracts come forward for us to consider and approve, largely becausethey affirms what I know a number of us council members and residents have beensaying, which is we don't need to build 40 million to 80 million dollar buildingin order for our Minneapolis Police Department to havethe training spaces that they need to execute their jobs. MPD does currentlypractice in a residential area in Ward 4 that has been ofconstant conversation of what do we do about that relocation as part of that.And I do believe that there is a shared interest in relocating it to a moreappropriate location, but this contract demonstrates that we can rent a gunrange and meet that need for about 100,000 dollars per year, which is trulya tiny fraction of the astronomical amount that we're talking about payingfor the mayor's proposed Cop City. So, I'm really excited to see more contractslike this come forward that's meeting the quote-unquote training needs thatare being proposed in that large Cop City project. And to be able to seethese type of contracts ideally come forward morefrequently so that we can truly create analternative plan to that. So, yeah, just wanted to make those comments.Council member Whiting. Thank you Chair Chavez. Just was wondering if we couldpull one for discussion. Okay. We can pull the the item out fordiscussion. Do you want a separate vote on that?Uh no. Then you can just make your comments like council>> Am I able to ask someone to come up if that's the case? Okay.Um Commander, are you able to to come chatwith this piece a little bit? Not too manytough questions for you. Good afternoon.Uh council chair, vice chair, uh council member, I'm Commander Chris Brown fromthe uh police department and I run the training division. Yeah, perfect. Thankyou, Commander. And just a few quick questions here, not necessarily evenrelated to uh this item specifically, but um askind of our our training [clears throat] around firearms training, like I I Ithink we're trying to get a sense of cuz I you know, I hear Council MemberWansley's uh comments as well. Um if you can kind of just touch base on uhthe required individual officer uh yearly, bi-yearly, whatever the trainingis that is needed for our firearms, if you could kind of just give us a abackground uh of what that training entails. Sure. Umit's it's pretty extensive um overall what the police departmentprovides uh handgun and as well as rifle and uh our special operations, which Ican't speak to, but um what we use uh do training related to firearms. So,related to umjust in general, we do handgun qualifications once a year. Um thatusually uh comprises of about uh it's about a month and a half, but it isonly we only pull the officers off the street for as as minimal amount of timeas possible. It's more of a um an exam. We examine their firearms,their equipment that is um uh securing the firearms. We also goover uh um malfunctions and such like that. So,it's but it is not We don't We don't really consider it a training. Weconsider that an assessment or um their qualifications to meet the statestandards. So, that is uh a brief training, but it does require us to haveabout somewhere between 15 to 20 trainingsessions uh offered up for that.And then each officer that is authorized to carry a patrol rifle would umgo to a patrol rifle school. And the patrol rifle schoolum so, historically has been held off-sitebecause too many too many rounds with a patrol rifle in a small area umuh is not good for the cost of the city for the going through the cleaning andand the processing of the spent rounds that go into that into thatarea. That range we have right now is specifically designed mostly forhandgun. And so, it wouldn't be feasible to doit. Plus, we do we need a place where they can use thethe rifles you know, and learn the tactics that areappropriate for safely uhuh you using and and carrying those weapons. So, umthat's the general officer that those are the two things that they oftencarry. We do use the range staff still also doesand it's very similar to to handgun qual or qualifying with other weapons is wehave less than lethal 40-mmas well as umI'm trying to think of the other other things that they generally do with it,but officers that do go through the the thebe able to carry the patrol rifle are required to do annual recertificationsfor that so that uh we do use utilize facilities for that as well.Thank you, Commander. And and then kind of just the last kind of question, isthere any uh trainings related to like post certification umwhen it comes to or is that kind of this once a year handgun training that is tokeep that kind of your your post license? I'm I'm not sure.Yeah, we we do any any any firearms that you carry, whether it's a patrol rifleor a handgun, is post post-certified requirement.>> Okay. >> That you go through annual training. Allright. That is all that I have. Thank you, Commander. Appreciate it.Uh with that, I will move approval of all items, including the minuteagreement amount for item number 11. And seeing that there's no furtherdiscussion on the motion to approve, all those in favor say I. I. Those opposedsay nay. Any abstentions? Those items have been moved to full council.Uh our first discussion item today regarding is regarding a sponsor akennel program for the animal care and control. I welcome up Director Schendel. All right. Good afternoon, Chair Chavez,committee members. My name is Tony Schendel. I'm the director ofMinneapolis Animal Care and Control. Here today to talk about a new programthat uh came to our attention by MAC PAC, who'sa 501c3 nonprofit organization. And I'll talk a little bit about the program anduh how excited we are to introduce it. So, this program, uh sponsor kennelprogram, is something that's being done by other both municipalities and privateshelters across the nation. And we're hoping to launch this program to allowbusinesses and other residents uh or community members to make donations toMAC PAC, uh who then in turn would donate the money to Animal Care andControl. And that uh would all be done um through quarterly reporting, nodifferent than we report our donations now quarterly to council.Um but that is going to directly help the animals in our care uh by providingenrichment due to rising costs and increase in care to the animals in ourfacility. Um so donors could sponsor a kennel or acat condo for a one-year period. They would have a personalized plaque thatwould be posted on the kennels in recognition of their partnership withus. These are just some example photos ofother shelters doing it in the nation. The community impact um these donorswill help offset the growing care costs and provide essential care to theanimals. That includes veterinary services, toysfor enrichment, um and then some other supplies thataren't currently covered by our annual operating budget.Um this is instrumental to help further our success as we work towards helpingas many animals as we can and continue achieving our our no-kill status. This program won't have a financialimpact on the city and it in fact won't use any city resources as a part of thisprogram. Umthis is a community-centric approach that will bolster community support forthe growing number of animals in our need.Um MAC Pack, our 501c3 partner, would lead this effort all the way from startto finish. They'd accept the donations, hang the signage, follow up with thedonor to share a success story of an animal that's been adopted out of thatkennel they're sponsoring, and help found its new forever home.Um therefore, no impact to the city financially or resources, lessening thetaxpayer burden. And with that, this concludes mypresentation. I'll stand for any questions.Yeah, and Director well, one, first of all, thank you to our staff at MemphisAnimal Care and Control and the City Attorney's Office for working fairlyquickly on this. Something that will actually save many of our animals anduh you know, that is really important toour city. So, I just want to say thank you to staff on that. I'll pass it tovice chair, Stevenson. Thank you. I just wanted to say>> [clears throat] >> this is a great idea. I'm really gladyou're doing this. This is awesome. Keep up the good work. Um I'm excited to seeuh you know, community members and community partners be able to assistyour efforts. Thank you, council member.Council member Uvita. Thank you, Chair Chavez. I wanted to say also this is a atrue testament to partnership with community and um nonprofit organizationsand this certainly is going to help us not only help the animals that we have,but future animals that come to the shelter. I appreciate supporting this. Ican't um wait to hear the impact that it has because it feels reallyit it feels like it's going to be really good for not only for the staff, but forthe community to to help in this type of way. So, thank you for always thinkingoutside of the box and being a good partner. When you're a good partner,people want to work with you. So, thanks to you and your team for being goodpartners and I'm looking forward to seeing the animals in the kennels.Thank you. Council member Wansley. Thank you, ChairChavez. I'm also just want to echo the the gratitude um for you all'sleadership in helping us find a way to bring the community into supporting umour animal control facility, supporting the animals. Um as [clears throat] youmentioned, I know you all are working within the confines of a shoe stringbudget um as the growing needs are are you know, rising in in regards of howyou're receiving an increased number of animals and as you mentioned, stilltrying to maintain that no kill status. Um I don't know if we're [clears throat]going to be entertaining um next steps around priorities, but I at least wantto name I know this is one piece of of many needs that our animal controlfacility has and for me um I know our in our capitalum, or in our capital program, a big piece too is making sure you all canhave a a new home, um, to accommodate not only, you know, increased numbers ofanimals, but also having a 21st century, um,facility space to carry out the services that you're doing at a very high qualitylevel. Um, and I will name that will be a priority of mine to make sure that weare protecting that funding stream, um, very much connected to the first itemtoo around, um, making sure we're not divi- diverting funds for criticalservices like this, um, into projects where we can find alternatives to meetthose needs as well, particularly related to our police department. So,I'm just really excited to see this come forward as, again, you all beinginnovative, community-centered, and making sure that we care for ouranimals, and maybe we can have a resolution. Can we bringhave some pets? So, I can't No, let me stop.>> [laughter] >> I could present the resolution with somepets at hand, um, as well for some council therapy, orpet therapy. Thank you. Council pet therapy.>> [laughter] >> Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember.Yeah, go over there to present the resolution and hold a cat. There we go.Oh, yeah, no, you can whatever you want to That's right.>> [laughter] >> The point is to do it as a group for thetherapeutic effect. >> [laughter] >> Thank you, Councilmember. Thank you.Uh, I'll move approval of this item and seeing no further discussion on themotion to approve. All those in favor say aye.Aye. Those opposed say nay. Any abstention, the item carries. I'll alsoacknowledge that we've been joined by Councilmember Rainville. CouncilmemberRainville, were you able to vote on the other items? Yeah, I did vote in theaffirmative. Okay, perfect. Great. Just making sure. Thank you. All right.Colleagues, next item is item number 17. It's approving a legislative directiverelated to the collaboration between the police department and the federalgovernment on the Homeland Security Task Force. This is an item being brought bymyself, Council Vice Chair Stevenson, and Council President Payne. Open recordrequests made by both News Scene and citizen journalists revealed in lateApril 2026 that the MPD participated on a Homeland Security Task Force. Theagreement provides that the FBI can pay overtime costs for officers who work onthe detection, investigation, and prosecution of crimes against the UnitedStates. The agreement does not define what constitute crimes against theUnited States as interpreted by the Trump administration. This directive isinquiring into this task force and any other agreement with federal lawenforcement agencies that were not brought before the council. This issomething that is important and it has raised a lot of concerns in the public.And it would just be great to get more information on thesereimbursements and the work that are happening here. One of the main concernsthat I have is what protocols do we have in place in the police department in thecity of Minneapolis when our law enforcement gets deputized by thefederal government, what rules they have to follow,who is enforcing our city separation laws regardless.I think I hear the concerns from theconstituents that I represent that when you deputizeour law enforcement with the federal government, we need to make sure thatthere are strong protections in place to make sure that there isn't a violationof human rights. So, I at least wanted to bring this forward with my colleaguesand hoping we can get more information just so the public can be more aware ofwhat these agreements are and if we see a need to push for changes, that wouldbe something that would be welcomed. Next up, I'll pass it to Council memberWenzel. Yeah, thank you, Chair Chavez. I just want to say thank you toauthors of this legislative directive and for bringing this forward. I think,you know, since Trump's uh second presidential tenure started,uh residents have made it clear that they want to see no collaborationwhatsoever or coordination whatsoever happen between our police department andour federal um agents as it pertains to de- detaining, kidnapping, terrorizingnot only our immigrant neighbors, but as we've known, our the targeting of ourimmigration uh neighbors then become becomes a catch-all for terrorizing umnon-immigrant neighbors as well as shown throughout the recent federaloccupation. Um so, I just want to say thank you all for bringing this forwardso we can get further um information about what are some of the loopholesthat we're overlooking just as we saw with our sanctuary or sorry, ourseparation um ordinance um that does allow for either that perceivedcollaboration um through MPD carrying out crowd control, all the things thatsignals um to our residents that there is a sense of uh collaboration. And Ithink particularly getting some follow-up on umwhat happened on June 3rd, 2025 where, you know, we saw federal agents swarmour immigrant uh businesses and neighbors on Lake and Bloomington. Umyou during um what was told to us as a non-immigrationraid, um but we then found out that, you know, the Department of HomelandSecurity was involved, ICE was involved, and then many ways that June 3rd umoperation was used as a testing ground for what they would then carry outthroughout the federal occupation that started in December. And what would weas a city allow, what our state leaders will allow um if we did not hold themaccountable um and did not get these loopholes closed that doesn't allow forany city personnel to make it um seem that we tolerate ICE coming into ourcommunities and separating families and destroying businesses and making lifejust generally hard and creating lifelong trauma um for our residents.And I am just so grateful that this is a continuation of responding to residentswho have been on the front lines of resisting um the Trump's attack on ourcommunities and making sure that we as city leaders are doing everything thatwe can to not support any potential collaboration, complicity um to reallyfurther that resistance that's making us a national a model for resistance. So, Ijust wanted to say thank you all for your leadership on this and I'm lookingforward to hopefully a rapid response to this legislative directive that can giveus some concrete answers and potentially some action steps.>> [clears throat] >> Vice Chair Stevenson.Yeah, this may be a little uh late to the party, but I was just I was justthinking and and I don't know if anyone is here to to speak to this item or tohear about this item, but um one other thing that would begood for us to know is what kind of um transparency measuresuh our officers are umwhen they're in collaboration with HSI, what's what's going on in terms oftransparency measures? I'm thinking back to previous task force where officersweren't required to wear body cam um devices uh and that that causedtroubles in our city uh particularly around the the uh killing of WinstonSmith. So, um if someone uh either now or on a other later date could reportback on what kinds of accountability and transparency measures there areuh for our officers who are participating in this in this, thatwould also be super helpful. Uh Council Member Warsame.Thank you, Vice Chair Stevenson, for flagging it. I did want to also raisethis piece too that uh this uh body passed a legislative directive um thatasked for information of how um the city is um setting up systems to umcapture unlawful behaviors by federal agents when they are um in our city andin our communities and we have still yet to get a return date or presentationdate from OCS on this. Um I know this is also similarly important to ourresidents um in regards to how MPD is sharing data or surveillance footage umwith federal agencies um especially when we know those agencies are prone tolying about how they are about their conduct in our communities. So, this isanother area of like data sharing in itself that is really important and ifwe're truly all about holding these agents accountable so that they don'tthink they can just come in and do whatever they want um and make sure wehave protocols for our residents to protect themselves if their rights arebeing violated by federal um ICE agents. I would like a staff memo to alsorequest when are we getting that presentation back related to that itemcuz I think that complements this as um the points raised by Vice ChairStevenson. I added myself back on queue and ViceChair Stevenson we can connect offline to see if we need to add more languageonto this legislative directive ahead of full councilor if this directive would be enough for that. We can connect with the policedepartment. Uh also what does it look like for oursettlement agreement to be enforced when our police department is being deputizedby the federal government as well. So, we can have more conversations ahead offull council. All right, colleagues and then for thememo, do we do we get that? Great.No? May you repeat it once more, please?Sure. Uh I would like the administration's umpresentation uh date for the legislative directive tied to um the city's responseto unlawful um actions taken by federal ICE agents. And I can also send you theactual memos filed via teams. All right.Seeing no further discussion, I'll move this item for approval.And on the motion to approve, all those in favor say I. I. Those opposed saynay. Any objection, that motion is forwarded to the full council. Our nextitem is number 18, receiving a report regarding the internal review of theshooting of Davis McAterry. This was presented at COW and referred to thiscommittee to continue the discussion. Colleagues, does anybody have anydiscussion on this item? Otherwise, I'll just receive and file itand go on to the related topic, which is next.All right, colleagues, with that um I will receive and file that report.I'll direct the clerk to that. Our next item is number 19, approving alegislative directive related to the McAterry-Lucero after-action review'squarterly updates. This has been authored by myself, by Chair Stevenson,and Council Member Wansley. And that's the reason for this report is there wasa lot of recommendations that were given on these after-action reviews, and Ithink it is important that as the body of the Public Health, Safety, and EquityCommittee that we are tracking any of the proposed changes to policies,procedures, training protocol, um staffing issues, 911 emergency responsedispatch policies and procedures, and other recommendations uh to make surethat uh we address the concerns that were highlighted in the after-actionreview. So, I just wanted to at least highlight the reason for thislegislative directive. It'll be an opportunity for us to make sure thatrecommendations as a council um are being implemented and that there isstrong oversight. Are there any questions, comments?All right. I'll move that item for approvaland see now for discussion on the motion to approve. All those in favor say I. I.Those opposed say nay. Any abstention? That motion carries tothe full council meeting. Our next item is number 20, receiving the first reporton the implementation of the rental license ordinance. I'll invite inspectinspection services director April to present that. Good afternoon, Chair Chavez and councilmembers. My name is April Bogard. I'm the director of inspection services.I'm here today in response to the legislative directive on rentallicenses. >> [clears throat]>> The legislative directive requested an updateon regulatory services implementation of a new rental licensing ordinance thatwas approved in 2025. Set to go into effect on January 1st,the new ordinance requires applications for rental licenses of properties in thehighest risk tier or those subject to rental licensingconditions to go before city council for consideration.To understand our implementation of this ordinance and who it impacts, I'd firstlike to take a step back and provide a deeper understanding of what tiering is,why we have it, and what it means for property owners and renters.Our rental license inspection program is fairly unique in that we categorizerental properties into three different tiers. The tier impacts how frequentlywe inspect a property and also the rental license fee that is paid by theproperty owners. Tiering is intended to provide renterswith transparency about the places they call home, and it's designed to help usallocate more attention to the properties that need it most.In terms of what each tier means, tier one properties are consideredwell-maintained as they meet the minimum housing code, and generally we plan toinspect those every 8 years. Tier two properties are still consideredwell-maintained, but they do have some documented issues that may impact rentersafety and livability, and generally we plan to inspect those once every 5years. Tier three properties um may be poorlymaintained, and they do have documented issues thatimpact renter health and safety. Those uh are inspected annually.The new ordinance requiring certain rental licenses to go before councilimpacts this last tier, the tier three properties, as well as any propertieswith uh rental license conditions. So, how do we determine the property'stier? Uh the process for determining the property's tieris much simpler on paper than it is operationally.In short, the the first step is to do a 2-year lookback at all of the records atthe property. We score 11 different factors that havepoints assigned for each of those factors, and those total scoresdetermine the property's condition and the tier level.So, um here are some examples of the 11elements that get scored and factored into tiering.As you can see, we look at a variety of factors,including code violations for life safety, quality of life,nuisance conditions at the property, uh the number of reinspections andadministrative citations it takes to achieve compliance at the property,uh whether or not property owners are paying their rental license fees ontime, and if they have special assessments or authorizations,and whether there are any license conditions or license revocations.Some of these factors contribute only to the rental license fee and some of themcontribute to both the tier and the fee level. So, with that as our foundation, um I'llnow address some of the specifics in the legislative directive. Currently, wehave just over 23,000 rental licenses in the city.Operationally, uh we have decided that those impacted by the new rental licenseordinance will be both tier three properties and those with rental licenseconditions. So, currently, that's about 75 properties.Um there are about 53 properties with a tier three designation right now.And there are 22 properties that have rental license conditions.So, 75, approximately 75 is our working number for right now.Um we think this number feels a little bitlow based on what we're hearing from community and what we're seeing outthere. >> [snorts]>> Um we we know that our tiering system is not working the way it is intended. So,I think it's also important to remember thattiering doesn't tell the whole story of what is happening at the property andwhile some code violations might feel very impactful torenters, they're not always life safety issues.So, the way we're weighting tiering right now, they have less of an impact.Um and secondly, the way we're tiering right now means that tiering doesn'talways reflect the building's condition at this exact moment because it's basedon records from just the last two years. So, we are undertaking uma very robust and multi-year process to help us address these challenges withtiering. Uh part of the legislative directiveincluded the the geographic distribution of thehigh-risk properties. So, you can see on these heat maps thatthe tier three properties are fairly spread out throughout the city.Um and I do want to point out that even though we're focusing on the tierthree properties right now, I don't want to lose sight that most of theproperties in the city are tier one properties. They are in good conditionand rental property owners are doing their part to meet or exceed minimumstandards for safe and healthy housing. Uh so, as I mentioned, we are workingthrough a multi-year analysis and engagementprocess to make tearing work better for everyone.We'll be providing a project overview at a council round table in June.Um oops. I will uh I will point out theslide says May. Just today, we actually rescheduled this and um it will happenJune 10th, I believe. So, we'll have a round table coming upwhere we can dig in a little bit deeper on this.Um but what I'll say for right now is that any updates that we make to tearingin the future will likely shift which properties are impacted by this uh newrental license ordinance and which properties fall into the highest risktier for the 2028 licensing cycle.Um so, like I mentioned, this new ordinance goes into effect on January1st of 2027. A critical step in implementation willbe working with council to pursue a technical amendmentso that the ordinance language fulfills the spirit in which it was enacted.Uh we were recently informed that under the current phrasing, licenses up forrenewal will not be impacted and we know this is not what the intent was. So, wewill be working um on some amendment language so we can get that corrected.Operationally, um our work on implementation has focused onidentifying which properties we think will be impacted, project planning, umidentifying implementation questions such as any adjustments that we need tomake to the license renewal cycle, uh internal timing for changes that mightbe be needed for our data systems to make this ordinance implementation work.And then we know we need to do some education and notification to propertyowners. Um we are also acutely aware thatstaff capacity is a potential challenge for us here. We are workinghard to streamline our internal processes, umbut even without added responsibilities, our staff who are working on this arealready stretched beyond capacity. Um in summary, we're still in the earlystages of implementing the new rental license ordinance.Um and as we continue, we are committed tothe spirit of this ordinance to benefit the community, and we will keep thoseheart who are impacted up to date so they know where we're at and what toexpect as we near the effective date. Thank you for your time today. I'llstand for questions. Thank you, Councilmember Wansley.Yeah. Uh thank you, Chair Chavez. Um reallyexcited uh for this presentation as the co-author or as lead author of theoriginal um ordinance called stop Is it tier uh stop slum lords,basically. Um that said though, I I absolutely am looking forward to theJune Council uh round table only because Ium I I think this body, of course, wants tomake sure that we are upholding a standard of quality housing for everyresident across um the city and even seeing that thosedotted lines are concentrated in certain pockets of the city that are largelymore diverse, usually low income, and your zip code, your economic background,or your racial identity shouldn't dictate if you have access to qualityhousing or not. And landlords should know that that is a standard and that isthe expectation and our ordinances should not just reflect the spirit ofthat but reflect the intention of holding that standard and enforcing it.So, I look forward to working closely with you all around whatever amendmentsthat you're considering. Um and also of any financial resources that's needed.Um we, of course, never want staff capacity to be used as a barrier formaking sure that residents don't get the type of quality housing that theydeserve and that they're currently not being provided um based off of ourexisting tiering structure and based off of how some of those that's currently intier three have not and have basically been given kind of a pass to deny thoseresidents the quality housing that they deserve. Um so, we want to make sure anyamendments to this ordinance stays within the line of its intention, whichis to hold those landlords accountable and not to create any free pass forsegregated housing conditions in our city. Um so, I'm really excited to dofurther work on this and do, again as you mentioned, further outreach to letresidents know you have this as a protection and that the city is here notonly with um this policy measure, but we have a whole host of other protectionsto support you um if you are not being given the type of housing that youdeserve or if your rights are being violated by your landlord. So, um I'mexcited to have many more updates um in the future as we work to strengthenthis ordinance. Councilmember Whiting. Thank you, ChairChavez, and thank you, Director, for the presentation. I'm catching up to speedhere and so I appreciated uh the presentation. Just a kind ofquick questions as I'm kind of looking through some ofuh, the ordinance changes and kind of the the way we kind of tear thesesystems out. I was doing a little bit of research here uh, that we used to havekind of in the past like a quarterly list that would kind of score use a datametric um, of kind of the worst landlords inthe city. Does that still metric exist? Did we move away from that?Um, and if there is I know we have like our policy dash or our violationdashboard. Um, but was unsure if there's like a list anymore.Um, Chair Chavis, Council member Whiting, I think maybe what you'rereferring to is something we call the good cause list. Um, that is somethingthat we're also looking at potentially updating. Um,it's a a list of it's slightly different in that we lookat properties by portfolio. So we look at the entire portfolio underan ownership and assess all of the violations and try to get a sense ofwhether or not there are problems across the portfolio.Um, that I think we have we have taken off of our website as we work throughsome changes. That is also part of this uh, update to tearing.Great. Yeah, that that that article I'm reading in the Star Tribune article backfrom 2015. It says the quarterly list now features 124 of the most troublesomerental properties in the city based on factors such as unpaid fines, policecalls, condemnation letters, delinquent taxes,etc. And then it's the 108 property ownerswith too many violations must must talk with city inspection staff and develop aplan to fix these problems before they can obtain additional rental licenses. Ihave no idea of the context and background of that. I was just wonderingif we have anything >> [laughter]>> similar to that as we did.>> the good cause program. >> Okay.>> And we'll work on getting that back up on the website.>> Perfect. That's helpful. Thank you so much. Yep. Yeah. Thank you for thepresentation, Director Bullard. Seeing no further discussion, I willuh ask the clerk to file that report. And before we head on to item number 21,I ask the assistance by the clerks. Uh I want to acknowledge that we've beenjoined uh today by Mr. Maturi, who is actually here for an item number 18, anitem pertaining to him. So, colleagues, I'd like to suspend the rules to allowMr. Maturi to address the Public Health, Safety, and Equity Committee. But beforeI do that, I would I would I think I could just say without objection. Doesanybody have objections here? Uh Mr. Maturi, you may join us if youwish to address the Public Health, Safety, and Equity Committee.All right now. Yeah. Ooh.>> [sighs] >> Hello all of you.Um Davids Maturi. Um I'm here to speak about my experiencewith uh Minneapolis police and uh with my neighbor John.Um Before my shooting,um we moved in my house about uh that was SeptemberAugust of 2024. You know, umI, you know, we were happy. You know, I was excited. First timehomeowner. Umyou know, it it wasthe the best time of my life. Umabout a month, month and a half after I moved in,um I had my first encounter with my neighbor.Um it was negative.>> [snorts] >> Uh violent. There were threats.I I made a police call. The The officer showed up to my housewas an officer who I had an interaction with, that anofficer who racially profiled me about 3 months prior to that. It It having a call for helpin having to call 911 in my time of needand be presented with that officer It It was shocking.But not very shock- not shocking at all whenyou're a black uh, when you're a black person living inthis city. Living in my home in the pastduring that time, for that year you knowI I never know what I would come come home to.You know, coming home after a long day of work, it should be exciting. Itshould be something you look forward to. But I had to live>> [snorts] >> at the end of every day with a cominghome with a dark cloud hanging over my house.The home no longer brought me joy and and happiness. It brought me dread,fear, and terror. Something as simple as mowing a lawn ormy wife, you know, planting some flowers you know, itrequired preparation. She couldn't step out of her home and do yard work withoutme being there. You know, I'd be ready. You know,something something as simple as stepping out and you know, sitting inyour front sitting in your front lawn, you know, itbecame a matter of life and death. Itwhen I think about it, it's just insane that I that I was living like that forso long. Just constant terror, dread, I couldn't sleep.You know, I still don't understand I stilldon't understand how I did it. Itit's still just so shocking when I think aboutyou know, all the times that I had to call 911 dozens and dozens of times.And three dozen dozen times, you know, and Iremember telling my boss it itand I knew anybody I told that they just wouldn't believe it cuz it was just thatcrazy. You know,and dealing with the violence and thethreats and you know,there was a point in time where he [snorts] poured human waste through mymail slot. And to come homeafter after a long day of work and be presented with that, it'sa level of foul I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. You know, I I still have nightmaresabout that. Like it's it's such a grotesque act.And to have something like that just discarded andhave nobody care, it's it's disgusting. You know,you you do everything right, you work hard,you pay your taxes, you know, you're a productive member ofthis society, and still you're deniedany sort of protection. You know,it it was me against this terrorist, this racist terrorist.And II I deluded myself into thinking that the officers who showed up to my houseeventually would get the message and and try to do something.And it wasn't until I was attacked by my neighborand the responding officer told me to just movethat it really struck me thatthey they don't care about my life. >> [snorts]>> It In fact, it it it it got so bad.It still feels like they were trying to kill me as well.Because if you saw someone fighting for their life, someone who was havingknives, guns pointed at them, and you do nothing,I you know, and I would I would think they wereworking in concert with them as well. Ityou know, after dealing with so many different officers, I don't know howmany, uh on varying levels, and getting thesame response, it it's it's disgusting. You know,I I wouldn't treat my worst enemy thatway. You know,and this experience has ruined my life. You know,I've turned into someone I can't recognize.You know, I don't recognize myself. I barely leave my house.You know, I don't sleep. Gaining much weight.I lost my job. I haven't worked for 2 years.You know, I barely see my friends and my lovedones. You know, I have to take all sorts ofdrugs. I have therapists. I have, you know, the whole shebang.And and it sucks. Andeven though I've had to go through all of this, I I still see zeroaccountability. You know,I I remember being in the hospital and thinking to myself,"Great. Finally, I woke up." I was thinking, "Great. Finally, he'sgoing to be arrested." And that didn't happen for 5 days.You know, I was forcedto watch the police chief and then the mayorthrow dirt on my name and blame me for getting shot. That press conference was insane.You know, and I thanked the citizens of Minneapolis for rallying behind meand demanding that something be done. Andit it's shameful for a police chief and a mayor [snorts]to go on TV and and treat an innocent victim like that.You know, it was so shameful that the mayor deleted his part of the video.Deleted his part of the video in which he supported what the police chief hadstated. It's shameful, embarrassing,and itit felt like they were kicking kicking a man when he's down, you know, at hislowest. You know, I'm sitting there with bullet bullet in my neck,shattered spine, broken ribs, collapsed lung, tubes coming out of all sorts oforifices, and this is the response that I got.You know, it itI I still can't believe they they doubled down like that, you know, itit every time I think of that,I just feel a rage inside my chest, a fire of a thousand suns.It just makes me want to just explode, you know?And still,even despite this audit, it it doesn't seemlike there's any sort of accountability. And ith- how how much longer are we going to have todeal with this? You know?It especially sad in me to know thateven after this happened to me, it happened to the other two women who werewho sadly lost their lives. When they begged for help,and they received none, and it cost them their lives. And nearly cost me mylives, no thanks to them. You know? When I needed help,I didn't call 911, I called my wife. She responded. She came came and foundme bleeding to death on the ground. Andthat's not a position that anybody should ever be in. And I I hope that one day I can become afraction of who I used to be. But, you know, we'll have to see, youknow, you can only hope and pray and I know with a consent decree and youknow, the mayor and folks have stated that you know, MPD ismade steps to changing, but I haven't seen it atall. I have not seena smidgen. You know, at best it's stayed the same andand at times I feel like it's even gotten worse.You know, I witnessed it and I felt it. I lived it.You know, and the racism that I had to deal with dayin and day out, you know, and still having portrayed as a tough betweenneighbors, it's disgusting. You know, I was dealingwith a racistand I was dealing with a departmentthat also is racist. They don't view black life as worthy ofprotection. And the consent decree and my ownsituation, I mean, that it's it's for the proof of it. You know, there's beenzero change at all. Andyou know, my only hopeis that thiswill spawn some change. You know, that my suffering wasn't for nothing.You know, that the those two women who lost their lives sadly, their deathswere for nothing. And yeah, thank you for your time. Thank you for being here, Mr. Maturi. Uhone of the items that we approved um after this item was quarterly reports onyour case and Allison Lucius' case, and our hope isthat yes, we got an audit. I think it's important that this body tracks thataudit and make sure that any of those recommendations that were uh recommendedto the police department actually get implemented. Because what we don't want,what I don't want, is what happened to you, what happened to Allison Lucius,what happened to countless neighbors here in the city of Minneapolis tocontinue to happen. So, I just at least wanted to thank you for being here. Andyou know, I think accountability is important, and you sharing your story isa part of that accountability. So, I just thank you for joining us today inin committee, and want to see if any of my colleagues have any comments beforewe move on to the last topic. Uh Council member Wenzel.Just want to say thank you, uh Mr. Maturi, for also coming and sharingyour experience. I know that's not easy um being in a place that absolutelyfailed you in your most vulnerable moments. Um and one thing that I justwant to amplify that you shared um in making sure that we're not reducingwhat transpired in your situation. It was not a neighbor-to-neighbor conflict.This was a hate crime committed against you and your family. And I think that isalso critical piece of work that needs to beuplifted um at the city of not only just with thepolice department. How are we neglecting to recognize hate crimes when they'rebeing enacted against black residents? And making sure we have organizationsthat are equipped and have the expertise to make sure that we're not allowingwhat happened to you to any other black resident across the city.>> [snorts] >> AndI I just want to amplify that cuz you absolutely mentioned that of like at theone of the action steps that was proposed is a neighbor-to-neighbormediation program. And I had to be like that is that that was not the point.You had a hate crime. You had a racial terroristwho was extended grace, more grace than a lot of black people when they're mostvulnerable moments, who was shielded behindthe perception of mental distress or mental illnessthat is often afforded to white people more so than black people.And I am grateful that there are people who recognize thatand recognize that we are are far behind and trulyjust saying like that that played a role >> [snorts]>> um and why you were denied five days of response.So, I just wanted to uplift that this was a hate crime. It's been framedrepeatedly in a multitude of ways that has reduced that. Um and you weretargeted because you were black. And we have regardlessof black people shouldn't have to sufferracial terrorism from their neighbors, from their policedepartment, from any city staff. They should not have to experience that.Especially when we're living literally under a clansman in charge of of Trump,um Minneapolis should be rising above that. So, I just want to say you have mycommitment to doing everything that I can and I know with a number of mycolleagues on this body to make sure that you, Allison, Luche Mariah Samuels,and as you mentioned so many other victims who have been denied servicebecause of their their skin color, um that that's That'sthe norm, that that's not the status quo that we continue to preserve and protecthere. >> [snorts]>> Vice Chair Stevenson. Thank you for coming and thank you forsharing this here with us in the public record and in this building inparticular. UmI know what it's like to sit at home and have the days roll by after MPD violenceand umI I feel your pain of all of a sudden you wake up and all my god a month hasgone by and not even remembering much of whathappened in the last month because you're not leaving the house very often.I I've been there as well and so I'm I empathize with you on that.Um I wrote down a quote that you said that I'll be keeping with me and that'sI hope one day to be a fraction of who I used to be. That is devastating to hear.Absolutely devastating. I'll be keeping that quote with me.Um I have one question for you. You mentioned thatwhat what you said was there had been no accountability and I was wondering itdoesn't have to be the fullness of your thoughts and we can have futureconversations but just in this moment what does accountability look like toyou? >> [sighs]>> Um One of the things I'd like to see isuh O'Hara not be reappointed. Umthere were interactions that I had with officers umone of them being an officer told me to move>> [snorts] >> after I was attacked by John.Um andI I I I know through the audit there were quite a fewthings there were quite a few interactions that I had with officers inwhich they didn't treat me disrespectfullyat all. And I would like those of the officerswho committed those actionsto receive some sort of punishment. Um And they were they were definitely quitea few. UmAnd and I've heard nothing about any of those officers who actedpoorly receiving anything any sort of even justa just talking to, any sort of even coaching.And so I would like to see that happen. Okay.Um I'll follow up with you about uh the theofficers that you're mentioning here, if you [snorts] filed any complaints, if ifwe need to do that. And also I I would like it to be noted that uh themayor deleted his part of that press conference after the public backlash. The the press conference in which Andwhat would you like to have happen? Uh I would just like that to be acknowledgedpublicly. And I would I would I would like aapology, public apology from the mayor for that. Anything else on your mind? We canalways talk about this more in the future, so don't feel like you have toget it all out now, but anything else on your mind? Um I have a few other otherthings, but yeah, I can discuss that with you later. Okay.Thank you. And thank you again for being here.Thank you. Um I don't see anybody else on queue,clerks. Given that I suspended the rules for this, do I needto do anything or is it we can go on to the next topic?Okay, great. Good. All right. [snorts] All right,colleagues. Now we're on to the last item, which is number 21, receiving areport responding to a legislative directive about drones as a firstresponder pilot program by Community Safety Chief of Staff Andrew Skoogman tobegin that presentation, while also knowing that this was an item broughtforward by Council Member Vita. So, not sure if you want to talk before orafter. Okay, sounds good. Uh good afternoon, Chair Chavez, uh ViceChair Stevenson, Council Members. For the record, my name is Andrew Skoogman.I'm the Chief of Staff for the Office of Community Safety. Uh thank you for theopportunity to present today on drones as first responders or DFR. Um simplyput, drones as first responders are drones that launch immediatelyto certain 911 calls, arrive before officers or firefighters, and providelive video so first responders uh know what they're responding tobefore they get there. Um the Office of Community Safety ingeneral, MPD in particular, has been exploring the deployment of drones inthis manner for almost [snorts] 2 years. Um during thattime, uh we worked with multiple vendors. Um we've shared our calls forservice data uh to see where in the city, which areasin the city would be most beneficial for this technology, and we've evaluated howa pilot project could operate in the city of Minneapolis.Uh due to staffing, due to resources, due to other operational priorities, weultimately put this work aside at least temporarily. So, I do want to thankCouncil Member Vita for bringing this legislative directive forward andhelping us uh move this conversation ahead. Um today's presentation willoutline a proposed pilot project in the Fourth Precinct, but it's also importantto uh to understand that this technology haspotential applications across the city uh and beyond policing.I I'd like to note that this technology is not intended, uh, to replace humaninteraction. Um, that remains essential in policingand in public safety. What it can do, however, is helpdetermine when officers or first responders are truly needed, um, andavoid sending personnel to situations where by the time they arrive, there'sultimately nobody there to interact with.In a department MPD that continues to face significant challenges, we believethat matters. Um, if technology can safely clear certain calls,um, or provide better information before officers arrive, it potentially frees upofficers to respond more quickly to other calls for service and otherpotential crime victims in our community.In addition to MPD, you'll also hear from fire, 911, and regulatory servicestoday because many city departments, not just MPD, could potentially benefit fromthis technology. Cities across the country, across our state, are are usingthis technology in this way, and they're seeing some great successes, and we'lltalk about that. Ultimately, this conversation today, we hope, is aboutexploring whether technology can help us respond faster, uh, improve situationalawareness, increase officer and resident safety, and deliver city services moreefficiently for the people of Minneapolis. With that, I'll turn thingsover to Commander Tom Campbell of the Minneapolis Police Department to beginour presentation. Welcome. Uh, thanks, uh, Chief of Staff Skogman.Good afternoon, uh, Chair Chavez, Vice Chair Stevenson, and Council Members.Um, my name is Thomas Campbell. I am the Commander over the Special OperationsDivision. Uh, part of that, I oversee the MPDdrone unit. I also have along with me Sergeant Roger Muah. Uh, he runs theday-to-day uh, operations for our our drone unit unit that is up and runningfor the MPD. Uh, I'm I'm pretty excited today. I'mgoing to be giving you a presentation on the drones as first responder pilotproject that has a potential to benefit multiple city departments Uh, whichwould include Minneapolis fire regulatory services, the policedepartment and Minneapolis 911 and many other others that we canwe don't know quite yet what those are. Just a level set just so you're for yourawareness the MPD has used drones in the city since 2022.We currently have 12 pilots that have part 107 licenses which allow them tofly drones. Our current drone fleet consists of 12exterior drones and 10 interior drones. The total missions from our start datein fall 2022 to now have been 584 missionswhich would include patrol assist and high research warrants.To date there's been zero no citizen complaints about MPD drone usage andcurrently just for your knowledge we fly either from our drone command van or wefly out of our squad trucks. Covering again what is DFR? What isdrone as first responders? It's the proactive use of drones to immediatelyrespond to 911 calls for service. Upon arrival live video streamed back toour dispatch where we have our pilots seated.They then provide real time situational awareness to officers who are in routeto those calls. First responders watch what is happeningin real time before they get there which allows for a more informed response oreven the clearing of the call prior to squads even having to go out. The proposed DFR pilot project would bea free 75 day trial period conducted in the fourth precinct and that is drivenby data while we selected that area. The proposed partnership is with Skydioand just for your information Skydio is the largest drone manufacturer to datein the United States. They're currently working with five agencies in Minnesotawith a DFR program, which would be St. Paul, Duluth, Rochester, Minnetonka, andBrooklyn Park. Skydio also is working with 236 otheragencies nationwide. And to note, they are working at 24 ofthe major city chief departmentsacross the nation. The purpose of DFR is to reduce MPDresponse time to 911 calls. We're going to see if we can clear we'dhave the ability to clear low-level 911 calls for service so that wewouldn't have to have a actual police response to those calls.This inevitably will increase our officer safety by with that real-timeinformation coming in and it will overall protect community safety evenmore. We're also looking to work with theseother departments throughout the city to improve their effectivenessand their efficiency on what what jobs that they do.How many drones and where again? Um We said it the trial location will be inthe fourth precinct if it's approvedand they'll be launching from fire station 14.The goal there is to also on top of station 14 if it's a go ahead, we'regoing to put two drone docks on top of there and then they'll be responding tothe fourth precinct calls for service. As the chief of staff Skogman noted, wegave Skydio all of our 2025 calls for service.They looked at priority zero and one calls.They noted that in that fourth precinct they had 33,402calls for service in that priority zero and one selection. Within that data,um Skydio was able to take that informationand they determined that with just those two drone docks on station 14, those twodocks could have serviced 4,643 of those priority zero one calls undertwo minutes. So, 120 seconds or less they could have been on site on apriority zero one call. The dronesUm so, the Skydio X10 is like the gold standard for the drones that are outthere today. They're rated for inclement weather, rain or snow we can fly them.Approximate 45-minute flight time, so two of those drones up there and theycan either go on separate calls or they can work off of one call and always havethat operational overwatch and video feed. They'll be equipped with aparachute, so if for any reason there was an issue that a drone washad a malfunction, a parachute auto deploys and it safely goes to the groundfor recovery. Um they'll have police markings, policered and blue lights running at all times, so somebody looked up in the skysaw one flying at 200 ft, they could see the lights on it, they would know thatit's a police police drone. And they operate underWi-Fi and cellular networks in concert, so thepossibility of them losing connectivity is next to zero. Um I'd like Director Heidi to quick comeup from she's the director of MECC to speak onthe benefits of this in her department. Welcome. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair Chavez,council members. Looking at this from the aspect of someof the benefit that can show up in the 911 centeris even going beyond some of the priority zero one calls, we look at someof the lower level priority calls that do take a lot of time for gettingofficers out there such as a vehicle that's been parked outin front of someone's house for the last day.Often times we'll get someone out there to look at it and that vehicle's gone.This is something a drone could be able to fly over, let us know that vehicle'sno longer there. It's not a response out to that location.Another really important piece that this can be used for is if we have a missingperson, we have to contact the state patrol andask them to get the helicopter up into flight for us to help look in certainlocations for them. That can take an hour or longer to get that helicopterfly up and flying where a drone can be over an area, as he said, in just amatter of moments to be able to look and see. And we've had times where we've hadchildren, especially near water, that seconds could really have made adifference if we got out there with some type of sight on them to know where thechildren are at. Also beneficial when somebody's in theriver. Sometimes when we get a call that says,"I see somebody out in the river. It looks like they're having difficulty.I'm standing by this bank." And they do their best to describe, but if you'rewalking along the bank, often times it's not easy to tell exactly where they'reat. This could get a location in a spot forus much quicker to get response. The fire departmentin itself, we could also see a big difference with if there's a technicalrescue, somebody falls off of the side of the cliff at Minnehaha Falls. Thishelps them to be able to get a view of what kind of sources what kind ofresources do we need to get down to that person.Um these are all calls that come into the 911 center that could be beneficialfor us to have another tool to be able to send some resources out there.Um with that, I think I will be turning it over to I'll come back to Are youcommitting to Tom Campbell again? Thank you. Welcome.Uh thanks, Director. And just to note on on the screen here, there are a couplephotos. This is um an active uh I'll say it's an act ofphoto, but it's just a photo of MECC done in dispatch. We currently havetwo drone pilot stations already set up ready to go.If we get a thumbs up on the program. Um for the MPD staffing piece for thosepilot stations, we are looking at having our drone our current drone pilotcycling in during the during the trial period learning with the Skydio liketheir IT team. They'll be able to come in and help us learn the ins and outs ofrunning the program. But these hours are adjustable as we become more familiarwith the program. Data collection, what will be tracked onthis? So it'd be drone dispatch time as soon as a call comes into MECC. Howquickly we can dispatch a drone out to scene, the arrival timeof the drones, and could we have code forward the scene made the scene safeprior to even a squad arriving on scene. And we want to compare that data andwe're still going to send a physical squad out with every call. So we're justtrying to see if you know we could have done this without the squad, but duringthe trial period we're still sending a physical squad to all these calls.And with every call we we we are keeping track of all the analytics, theafter action reports with these and MPD any kind of PIMS reports that have to becompleted with them. I'll I'll I'll discuss thisshortly, but we we are only authorized to operate under state law. Soeverything we do is highly regulated, but just for people's umI guess sense of security kind of a thing, but when we launch these we canwe can launch them by remote pilot or autonomously.They'll leave the drone dock, the camera stays at the horizon. They'll never panthe camera down until they get on scene. Once they're on scene, the remote pilottakes control of the camera, can, you know, see what's going on, get directionfrom officers on the ground or fire, whoever's out there that needsassistance. They can clear the call. It goes thecamera goes back horizontally to 180° to the horizon. It returns to the dronedock, lands in the drone dock, and then itimmediately starts uploading all video evidence into evidence.com, whichum to note, I guess, umSkydio works directly with our Axon ecosystem for our body cams, our tasers,our fusus, um mapping system, everything. It's Itall works together seamlessly. UmAny video that comes in that the pilot determines to be have evidentiary value,um will be um held by state law. So, we can either delete it if it has noevidentiary value, we have to delete within 7 days. That is um mandated bystate law. We can actually tighten that up if we wanted to and say, "Hey, we cango down to 3 days and delete any unnecessary videos." And that's what uhthe city Minnetonka does. They do a 3-day window. Umbut us working in compliance with our MDHR settlement agreement uh throughAlifaa and through the city attorney's office, uh we've determined that anyevidentiary um valued video will be heldindefinitely. Um incidents where MPD could respond to,again, it'd be those priority zero one calls. Umand as we work through this uh program, we, you know, we could definitely go tothe lower priority calls, um but anything that comes through 911, wecould send a drone out to. So, persons with weapons, medical and fire calls, umaccidents, auto theft calls, burglaries, robberies, sounds of shots, um sounds ofshots, shot spotter calls, foot and vehicle chases, shooting,stabbing, suspicious persons, missing persons,um and even things that we know what's a huge concern in North Minneapolis is umillegal dumping calls we can we can send drones out on.Um, I'd like to have uh Assistant Fire Chief Wes Van Vehiclestep up. Good afternoon, Chair Chavez, Vice ChairStevenson, and council members. I'm Wes Van Vehicle, I'm the Assistant Chief ofOperations for the Fire Department. Um,I do see this like Tom said as being a force multiplier forus, so we are able to maximize some of the efficiencies where this will get usthere faster and allow us to streamline our responses.One of the ones is aerial recon aerial recon and monitoring at fires. A lot oftimes we need to see above so we can see the changing conditions on the roof tokeep the people operating underneath it safe. So, for instance, at uh commercialstructure, seeing the HVAC equipment, seeing what's on top of there, so we'renot having them operate under a potential collapse.Hazmat recon, I wouldlook at like Hawkins Chemical where it's abig big area. Instead of sending two of our personnelin to see what type of container is leaking, what is leaking, what's beingreleased, we could put a drone over that, get a aerial picture, and come upwith a plan to see how we could safely mitigate that without putting people inharm's way. Um, like Director Hodney Hodney said,special operations uh on the river banks, being able to seewhether we have a low angle rescue, high angle rescue. Are we able to lower thatperson to the river bank and take them away by boat, or can we bring them up tothe top and safely get them away in just an ambulance?Water rescue, especially on the river, the call comes in a lot of times wherethat's at is not where the person is found, they're found down river away, sohaving that drone follow them would allow us to getto the area we need to be quicker to affect a rescue.Thermal imaging for hot spots. This actuallywas what allowed us to put the fire on 15th and Central out.We're able to get above it underneath all that debris.They were able to see where there was fire burning. We were able to get someheavy machinery in there to move that debris and put that fire out and get ridof those three days of smoke. And then also multi-vehicle accidents.Currently we send a engine and a ladder if we havemultiple people trapped. This would be able to get there. Wewould also be able to then send another rescue crewto more effectively get the people that are trapped out rather than having towait for them to respond. Thank you.Thank you. Welcome back. Thank you. Thanks, Chief.>> [sighs] >> Um next we'd have regulatory servicesdirector Amanda Dow. Oh, [snorts] I'm sorry.Um it'd be director of inspection services April Bogard.Bogard. Welcome back, Director Bogard. Thankyou, uh Chair Chavez and council members.Um when we were asked to think about how drones might be useful for inspectionservices, I I posed this question to my staff and got ahuge list of potential ways that drones could be useful to us. I was actually alittle bit surprised by what they came up with.Um I think one of the one of the big things that's already been talked aboutis the illegal dumping on the north side. I think that could bevery useful for us. Uh also illegal auto repair. Like some of my colleagues havesaid, often times we get these complaints and by the time staff areable to respond, the activity is no longer taking place. So, having a fasterresponse would be uh beneficial to us. Um I think it could be particularlyuseful in monitoring vacant buildings, large commercial properties, especiallythat are vacant. Um sometimes we have a hard timeidentifying where people are getting into the buildings. And so, um havingdrones being able to see a little bit higher and a little bit deeper would bevery helpful for us. We often have challenges with nuisanceabatements uh in people's backyards. If we can't see over the fence, wesometimes have a hard time writing orders. Drones would definitely give usline of sight that we don't have right now.Um as some of my colleagues have already said, during emergency hazardoussituations, fires and structural failures, drones could be very useful.Um exterior inspections of high-risebuildings, drones would be very helpful. Being able to see flat roofs that mightbe in disrepair would be very um beneficial for us. LikeI mentioned, the large abandoned properties, grain silos, places thatbecome um attractive nuisances for urbanexplorers, being able to use drones would be very helpful in thosesituations. Uh large city events or pyrotechnic events, um drones might beuseful there as well. And then, um as has been mentionedalready, uh viewing hazmat spills or leaks, if we have a report of spill onthe river, having a drone being able to um help us see that a little bit betterwould also be helpful. Thank you.Thanks, Chair. Uh next, I'd like to have uhRegulatory Services Director Ahmed Adan speak about uh traffic control. Thankyou. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you, uh Chair Chavez,council members. My name is Ahmed Adan, and I'm the director of MinneapolisTraffic Control. And I wanted to touch base umsome of the benefits um that we could get from uh the use of uhdrones for traffic control. And one of themain thing that will help us uh use uh drones is specialevents, especially those large events where we manage multiple intersections.One of the things that we do for our supervisors is they go around eachintersection inspecting to make sure that we have everything that we need.And having a drone, it will give us a real uh time visibility and also anaerial map to kind of identify where we need our resources. And also thestaffing needs and to make sure that uh we can identify those condition uhpoints and uh respond uh rapidly.Um another way that we could use is illegal auto repairs and also illegalsnow dumping, which is really uh major issues uh in many parts of the city. Andone of the things that impacts how we enforce is we have towitness when the uh events taking place or the activity's taking place. And alot of the time when we respond to these events,um the event is no longer either going on or it has actually ceased.And it kind of impacts how we enforce that. So, having a drone, we could flythat remotely to uh get a real-time and and get um aerialmap to also capture the evidence and then follow up with fines uh to identifythat. And something else that we could also benefit from it isalso identify uh repeat offenders and also hot spots in the city so we can bemore proactive when we're enforcing too. Umthe one of the last thing that I also wanted to touch base with snow emergencyenforcement. As you know that it's a critical operations. And having a teamof 40 uh traffic control agents to cover the entire city, it brings a lot ofchallenges to make sure that we could make every corner of the city. So,having a drone we could fly to kind of get a real-time visibility of the roadconditions and also identify some of the inaccessibleroads where we could go ahead and and deploy our resources so we can be moreresponsive during those critical time and ensurethat the streets are clear, clean and also accessible to everybody. So, that'smy time. Uh thank you, Director.Um moving on to the regulatory oversight. UmSo, we're we're governed by the FAA. They They have complete regulatorycontrol over our drones and our airspace and and how we fly, where we can fly.We're also mandated and and controlled by the our state statute62619 and our department policy.Um our the state statute here regulates oneone UAV drone can be flown and operated in Minnesota. There's 11subdivisions here that we can fly under and every flight has to be categorizedon on one or under what uhum subdivision here that we fly under. It It mandates yearly reporting to theBCA so every year we have to create that report send it to the BCA for them to goover to make sure that we're flying in compliance.Um the state law mandates retention laws in Minnesota which I mentioned earlier.Uh it prohibits drones from being utilized for random surveillance. So, norandom surveillance or just random flying around the city. It has to beunder one of these 11 exceptions. Um the state statute prohibits dronesfrom having facial recognition and it also prohibits drones from beingequipped with any type type of weapons. Um in our department policy we also haveto do quarterly reports to the chief of police regarding our UAV usage.Um and then if we're flying currently if we're flyingif any of my pilots are flying if it's outside of these three subdivisions thatare on the screen, they have to call me directly forapproval or the rank of deputy chief or higher.This is a really good slide. This is the public facing transparent transparencydashboard. So during the if we if we get the trial periodapproved, this dashboard will be active during ourpilot project. It tracks all flight data and the reasons for the flight underwhat subdivision we're flying. And this will be located on the city talk websitefor anybody in the community to click on to seewhen and where and under what subdivision we're flying. In the legislative directive was askedabout just community engagement. Well, currently you know, we fly all the timeat the precinct open houses showing that the community what we do at thecommunity M stats. They were there. Our team was there to presentour drones, the peace internship academy. And a and a real cool one thatSkydio does. They have a program called Skydio for all.They provide it's all it's provided free by them, but they bring in their staff.They bring in their drones and they it allows the community to fly their dronesand they teach them exactly um everything about drones. It's prettycool. And then moving into the futurehaving a dedicated drone webpage for the MPDwould be something for our additional community engagement.I just wanted to touch real quick on outside agency DFR success. Youprobably saw it on the news. Minnetonka police has a really good program.The first six months of the program, they've had over 400 DFR flights for 911calls. 65% of those calls the drone is the first onscene and the feedback from their officers they said that 90% of theirofficers said that the umthe information that they received from the drone was helpful on their 911calls. And they were able to clear 20% of their calls without even a patrolresponse. San Francisco, much like here, they havea huge problem or had a huge problem with auto theft and theft from autos. Umthey have uh and with in conjunction with their auto theft um task force,they've had a 44% reduction in auto theft and um and auto theft when theirdrone program was working in concert with it. They've had over 500 arrestsand 166 stolen vehicle arrests. Um Denver,uh October 20 uh October 25 to February 26, only 16 weeks, they had 622 flights.36 of those uh flights uh the calls were cleared without even a ground unithaving to be dispatched. Um in 84% of those, the drone was the first on sceneto arrive. Uh Redmond, this is Redmond, Washington.This one's pretty cool. Uh in a full year 2025 stats,uh they arrived on scene uh in a minute 33in a 911 call. 80% of the time the drone was the first one on scene.Um and kind of to note here, they have 113 hours of overtime hours saved,$60,000 cost saving from clearing calls with just a drone.So, those are just a few that uh I selected. So, this slide right here, umagain, I'm really excited about this the the potential of moving forward with it.And if it we do get it up and running, I invite all of you I think it'd be greatto have you all down to MECC to see how we do it, um how the pilots are flying,uh get a real understanding on it, ask questions, and just be engaged with umwith with our people. Um and now I guess I'd open it up forany questions that anybody may have. Thank you so much. Uh first, I'll see ifCouncilmember Vitale would like to say a few words um say words, comments, andthen I'll pass to the rest. >> What a fantastic presentation. Those aremy first words. Um, I thank you so much, Commander Campbell, and thank you forall the city departments who have collaborated on, um, the possibilitiesof how we can improve livability and public safety in our city. This isreally exciting for me because over these last couple of years, I've reallybeen trying to figure out with these departments how we help some of the uhthe issues we're facing, like uh longer call times for police response, like um,trash dumping, which is hugely impacting North Minneapolis, in particular myward. A lot of my colleagues are in queue to ask questions. I'm going to letthem ask their questions, but I wanted to just say thank you. This is certainlyuh been a long time coming, but this um I I had a umI I went to go watch the the drones fly. They did a preview for me. I think itwas last summer. And just to see that we finally gotten here where you canpresent it to myself and my colleagues, I really do appreciate it. Yep. Thankyou. Uh Council President Payne.Thank you, Chair Chavez. Uh thank you, Council Member Vita, for authoring thislegislative directive. I think having this type of information is reallyimportant. Um and I appreciate this presentation. Ithink the benefits of it are very self-evident, right? Um and I especiallyhearing about it takes an hour to get the State Patrol up, and you could bethere within a you know, a minute and a half or less. Um the the benefits arevery clear. I'm also trying to be really cognizantof the risks. And I see these risks, and there'sprobably more than two categories, but two that are the top of mind for me. Andthe first one is around security and vulnerabilities. And I think especiallyas we look at some of the protections that are enshrined in law, just law justmoves so much slower than the technology itself. Um and you know, I just evenjust doing a quick Google search on Skydio here and vulnerabilities, youknow, one of the vulnerabilities that they've published isinterference with emergency radios. Now, I happen to serve on the metro emergencyservices board, so I have maybe a slightly higher than averageunderstanding of our emergency radio service system. So, we operate at the800 MHz and it sounds like that vulnerability is at the 400 to 450.I don't know that anybody that we are in jurisdiction withwould be on that uh wavelength, but that that's like a aknown published vulnerability by Skydio themselves. I'm more concerned about theunknown vulnerabilities and I follow along with a I guess for the sake ofthis conversation I'll call him like a white hat hacker. His name is BenJordan. You should all look him up. He did some phenomenal reporting on Flockvulnerabilities. And there's a big gap between how thevendors um sell their technology versus what theactual capabilities of those technologies are versus what theunknown vulnerabilities of those technologies are. So, that's just abroad risk category that I that concerns me, but I think for the sake of thisconversation um I actually want to read directly fromthe Trump administration's uh counterterrorism strategy just publishedthis month. Um I'll just read directly from ituh starting with in addition to cartels and Islamic terrorist groups, ournational counterterrorism activities will also prioritize the rapididentification and neutralization of violent secular political groups whoseideology is anti-American, radically pro-transgender, and anarchist. We willuse all tools constitutionally available to us to map them at home, identifytheir membership, map their ties to international organizations like Antifa,and use law enforcement tools to them operationally before they can maimor kill the innocent. We will do the same with the state sponsors of suchgroups and those governments undertaking lethal plots on US soil or againstAmericans anywhere. It's pretty ominous language coming fromour federal law enforcement partners. Um andI have a lot of concern from a governance perspective on how umwe don't end up having a technology platform that is ultimatelyultimately managed by a vendor who also has direct relationships with thefederal government. How do we like protect our residents from, you know,under this telling almost every resident of the city ofMinneapolis could be categorized as a terrorist in the way that the rhetoricis used by this federal government. Um those are the types of things thatconcern me. It's not like you can have an answer for how we can, you know,mitigate those risks, but it's a risk that I think we have to take seriously.Um and I would encourage everybody to look up Ben Jordan and readhe does YouTube videos, but he did one on Flock and he just recently did one ona uh like a dog-based drone that law enforcement uses. I think that one mightbe a Chinese drone and I know that Skydio explicitly has a made-in-Americauh strategy. But uh in that one, there were some silent callbacks to servers inChina that, you know, were were were kind of hidden within the uh the theMhm. the software of that um of that drone. So, like these are like there'sthe known risks, there's the known vulnerabilities, but then there are thevulnerabilities that we don't know of. That's one risk and then the other riskthat I'm really concerned about is um a hostile federal government, whichsounds hyperbolic, but in Minneapolis, we embodied what it experienced theexperience of being occupied by a hostile federal government. And that's arisk that we can't take lightly. So, those are just some comments that Iwanted to make sure were also here as we were looking at notjust the benefits, but also the risks of this technology.Councilman Go ahead, sorry. No, I mean I would I would be interestedexploring exactly what those hostile risks would be. Like whatI don't know what those would be at all, butYeah, I mean I'm I'm getting to the limits of my technical knowledge andeven making that assessment, but I think thatit's an emerging area of risk for all of these technologies. Maybe not specificto SkyDio that I know of off the top of my head, but it's something that we needto be actively monitoring. Got it.Councilman one second. Thank you, Chair Chavez. Um, first I'mI'm wanting to know if there has been a costanalysis already done on this. Of course, you're proposing at some pointfor us to consider a 75-day trial. Post that, especially since you're havingother departments present, it sounds like you would want some type ofenterprise-wide contract. So, a cost analysis of what look like post the75-day trial. So, we haven't done a full costanalysis. I mean, everything is I think moving forward is negotiable and itdepends on how we scale it. So, umI I we don't at the moment have a cost analysis on any of this. Consideringy'all are already running or MPD is running into a $23 million deficit, Ithink any cost analysis proactively is helpful if you're talking about bringingthis in as a operational like line item. Um, I think starting as a staff memothen a follow-up with the case examples that you pointed out. Um, looking atwhat were the contracts that they got in place um in their first years um for usto then be able to assess also where's our starting range. Are you looking at amillion or so? I can imagine it's probably going to bein that. Um, so just wanted to follow up on that as a staff memo, a cost analysiscost analysis post trial. Um, also I wanted to get clarity on and this isgoing to slide 18 because um, originally this waspropositioned as just a first responder situation. So, thinking OCS, um, I'minterested in how are these then going to be deployed for the non-MPDand MFD services then, since you all are kind of the hub of it. Um,and especially record or referring to rec services whereyou're saying you want to use it as a potential tool to verify occupancy. I'massuming that occupancy concern is really related to unwanted persons andvacant buildings. So, just trying to figure out have you all talked aboutthat too as you're thinking about contracts? Uh, cuz I was a littlesurprised to see like rec services and some of these other non-first responderprograms looped in and want to know the the deployment mechanisms for that. Yep.Um, so through the chair, um, Councilmember Wonsley,um, it's it's definitely regulated understate law. Um, we can if let's say regulatory services wanted, um,let's say they open a little hypothetically call open a ticket,right? They could they could come to us under subdivision 10, um, in the statestatute, they could in writing request, um,uh, request something. And if we deem that it's uh, something that we couldfly under under that subdivision, we would work with them, um,to fulfill whatever they needed. So, you're talking about like real-timetickets then cuz some of the things that they mentioned also kind of what you'repropositioning for um, first response is like having on-site immediate response.I usually think of tickets is like 311 where there might be a little bit moreof a grace period. So, that's what I'm trying to figure out the real time.Yeah. >> Um, and then you know, stuff of thatnature other agencies are doing as well. Like Minnetonka does it. They workthrough like public works and they're doing a lot of work with their theirenterprise partners, um, which obviously that's what we're trying to do here. So,I guess we would have to leverage maybe some more information from them underunder the statute how they do that. Um again, that's why the 75-day trialperiod help us learn and get through these these little hiccups in it to makesure we're doing it legally. UmUm and I yeah, just doing it legally. And some of those case examples justreferring back to then the cost analysis, I'm assuming if you're talkingabout then utilizing this tool for multiple departments, getting a sense ofthen who's fully paying for this. Is this now something that will be a sharedcost amongst Rec Services, MFD, OCS, however that's happening. And if that'sgoing to then inflate the total amount for the contract itself. Um and ifthere's other examples where there has been departments that has multi kind ofor other agencies that have multi-department contracts. Like what isthe average amount for that type of contract as well?>> And then I just want to make a note for just thenot even a question, a comment um referring tothe snow emergency CP's for traffic control. Um I just wanted clarity ifthis is also tied to some of the work that we've been trying to to do withsidewalk clearing. I'm just going to note for like the public record, I'drather spend money on actually investing in the citywide sidewalk clearing pilotthan like having technological drones drive around. So, I will note that's mypriority that I'll be submitting, but I was like, wait, really? For snow? Butokay. Uh more so of a comment, but those aremy two follow-ups for everything else. Thank you. Next up, we have Vice Chair Stevenson.Thank you for this. And before I pass it on to you, Vice Chair, sorry. I do seeour city attorney on queue. Not sure if you wanted to address anything beforethe Vice Chair speaks. Uh thank you, Mr. Chair, Council members. I just wanted topoint out um I'm not sure what the status is of any sort of contract ortrial, yet even if it's a zero-dollar contract. Um I just wanted to remind theCouncil of its own ordinance requiring a public hearing before um, acquiring anysurveillance technology um, or um, signing a contract to to procureanything like that. Thank you.Vice Chair Steven Payne, thank you City Attorney. Yeah, thank you and thank you.Um, thanks for the the presentation. It was really thorough, really excellent. Ipersonally found myself oscillating between wow, this could be extremelyuseful and oh my god, this is Big Brother coming to uh, ruin our lives.So, um, but that's not to say that I don't seemany many many ways in which this would be valuable. I wrote down one questionthat you later answered of stolen cars, people driving around breaking windowsand you know, it's so hard for us to track down where thisthis car, this group, whoever it is doing it. I mean, that would just be anincredible asset to be able to to identify thoseum, incidents quicker and identify how to stop that before they do arampage between Ward 8 and Ward 11. Um,so, there there was that. Um, I I had did have a question. Would this countyou you had noted response times being much lower. Would this count towardslike the general response time of MPD? And the reason I'm asking is because Ithink uh, many constituents might feel that uh, response time should be when anofficer arrives they can talk to rather than when a drone is now watching thesituation. So, how would those be calculated in terms of response times?I mean, that's a that's a fair question. I don't know how exactly our ouranalysts um,do all those calculations, but I mean, if we're arriving on a you know, if a ifa a you or an officer is flying the droneto the scene and they're able to determine that theum, let's say it's an accident scene and the people have already exchangedinformation and they and they left. Um, I I think you could argue either wayand say, "Yeah, we are counting that towards our response times. We respondedout. We took a We visually observed the area. Nobody was there and they wereable to clear the call." Um,so I think you you you you could argue that um, they would work towards theresponse times. Um, and to [clears throat] that point,would there be any sort of communication with or from the drone to the public? Um, short of um, a pilot flying out to ascene, uh, picking up the phone and making a 911 call. We talked about thatin our meetings um, of actually having that that contact with a caller saying,"Hey, we're we're in route. This is, you know, a drone pilot." Or however we'regoing to have that conversation and letting them know that, "Hey, we'rewe're coming to the scene or we're over top of the scene. You know, is thereanything additional we should add, you know, the remarks to the call for thatphysical, um, arrival of a of an officer?" Okay. So, the drone wouldn'tlike have a speaker on it that says, "This is a police drone." No. So,nothing like that. Okay. Um, there was one thing about looking intopeople's backyards. I don't remember if that was regulatory service or orwhatnot. Um, is there any sort of like concern around needing a warrant toto do this kind of surveillance? Yeah,short answer is yes. So, um, we would have to have those conversations to makesure again that we're following state statute and we're not, um,violating anybody's any's anybody's rights. So, um, the short answer isum, we'll we'll definitely be very mindful on, uh,making sure we're following the statute on that and not looking into people'sbackyards unnecessarily. Um,yeah, I have just general This is a comment, not a question. I have generalFourth Amendment concerns about this. It just hits me the wrong way,um but I also see tremendous opportunity here. So,um both of those things. And then, um I also feel a little odd about us havinga pilot uh on the north side. I understand that umuh Council member for the north side is the one leading on this, so that makessense, but it just also feels a little odd to have our latest Big Brotherproject um exclusively on the north side for alittle bit. So, these are just things that I'm thinking through and I Itotally respect that um uh Council member that you're bringingthis forward and that you really want this. And so, umnot trying to step on that at all. Um Yeah, looking forward to hearing more.Thank you. Thank you. And we have I think did I skip over you,Council member Whiting? Uh no, you just got to me right now. It's perfect.Thank you. Thank you. Uh Chair Chavez, uhjust to and and and to not belabor the point here, also haveI think you see the see the value of this as well as as many of my colleagueshave said, I think it's a a great presentation that speaks to uh how thiscan be used and should be used in areas both on onofficer safety and community safety as well. And so, uh excited to see how thisis used. Um also have I think similar concerns uh of kind of the the usage ofthem um especially as like the hope with these being kind of like those first uhkind of responders on the scene, right? And these things have to happen veryquick. Um and looking right obviously at section uh626.19 and then subdivision three with kind ofthe authorized uses in there. Um it sounds like right, whenever a drone goesup in the air, uh we need to hit one of those kind of specific subdivisions or Iguess paragraphs within the subdivision. How can you just walk me through alittle bit like how that goes, how that process goes. Is like someone sittingthere before a drone gets sent out like hey yep this hits paragraph six ofsubdivision seven or sub sorry subdivision three sends it up. Like howdoes that process work? Uh sure. So our our drone pilots will be down indispatch. Um they'll have all the the CAD information that our call takers aretaking in and that the dispatchers sit are seeing, right? And they can see thepriorities of the calls. Um they have the ability to go through and filterthrough okay this is a priority one call. Let's send a drone to that call tosee if we can get real-time information. So that drone can get launched and theycan click on the address of where it um it'll pop up on a map and it'll kind oflike an overlay map. Um they can click on the address and thedrone can autonomously take off, fly with that camera facing the horizon. Itgets on scene um and either they can hover there autonomously or the pilotcan actually take control of the drone and look around and then add remarks tothe call. Mhm. Um so that the officers have it and dispatchers are seeing itreal-time. Um does that answer your question?>> Um kind of I guess that is it would it be the dispatchers that are making thatdecision of if it hits kind of the piece of one through 11 the authorized uses?Is it the dispatcher or is it MPD? Like who in the when you're authorizing theuse? >> would I'm sorry to interrupt you. Thatwould be on us, on the pilots. Okay. So it's So ifdispatch kind of sees it come in uh they are sending over it to MPD hey we have alet's use a a car accident um and they say this is good to go we havea car accident we received a car accident goes to you all as pilots tothen say hey this is an authorized use let it go or is dispatch kind of lettingit fly? No cuz dispatch has no control over thedrones at all. Um completely different systems.Um so it'll be completely on the pilots. And again, everything's trackedum through that transparency dashboard of why they fly and then we have totrack everything that goes to the BCA to the chief. So, the accountability pieceis there. Okay. So, it sounds like the pilots are the ones that are thatare deciding which what is the authorized use of 1 through 11 That iscorrect. >> launches up and flies. Okay. Right, andI think the reason I'm asking right, you know, Ithink it's a it's great and I think there's a there's a version of thisright where, you know, looking at kind of the thethe ways that this could be flown. Sorry, I'm just trying to pull up theum the kind of the uses that you all kindof list here. Um incidents where a drone can respond to these things,right? So, like let's say we have a the one that kind of flagged for me are kindof those suspicious person person um incidents. UmI mean, burglaries could also be in there, probably not robberies cuz thathas a an attachment to uh violence to a person.Um but specifically that the suspicious person and and burglaries piece umhaving a harder time trying to look through 1 through 11 here.Um right, let's let's just use suspicious person, right? There's asuspicious person um that you get a call in, it's insomebody's backyard. Uh right, so it's not a publicuh area, right? You're going to need the written consent of that individual uhthat called that in of of their property before these things get get launchedoff. Like I guess uh you know, when I see suspicious personhere, right? Obviously, there's not a massive thing underneath that talksabout all the different scenarios. Um but I just think making sure and Ihaven't seen the the MPD policy on this yet either. Uh but that, you know,there's there will be a lot of different examples. I know you all have a lot ofdifferent calls that come in. Um but then making sure that we are in inuh accordance and compliance with both state law and our policy. And so, Ithink wanting to tighten this down too. Um and then kind of last kind ofquestion here with this umduring the 75-day trial, um are you all going to be kind of uhlike having a list of data of like, "Hey,here's every single time that this thing comes out. Here's how we make ourdecisions." So, that would be really, really helpful, I think, for me on andour end of kind of making that decision if we want to expand it out as well.>> Yeah. Um through the chair, uh Councilmember, yes, we will have acomplete um along with the transparency dashboard. We're going to have our ownuh data analytics um dashboards and we'll be tracking everything. Beautiful.Thank you. And then I forgot I had one more, too. When uh reg services, fire,etc. are are using these uh drones,is it MPD pilots that are piloting them? Um and thenuh fire, reg services are using them for like I guess subcontracting from MPD. Isthat the using your skills as pilots? Sort Yeah, through the chair, uhCouncilmember, um initially it'll be just the MPD pilots. Um I could see, youknow, in the future having, you know, possibly even civilian pilots, right? Umreal-time crime center stuff where yeah, you do have civilians that are flyingthese things. Again, like some of our partner agencies, that's what they do.Um it's not just law enforcement. It's using everybody to help, you know, solvecrime issues. Yeah, and that's and I think that was that was the other kindof question I had that raises more might be a thing that probably have to chatthrough with the city attorney's office. Um but thinking through, right, if ifright, using and uh operating, I think, are probably different. I don't knowthat it doesn't necessarily specify this in the in the state statute. Um but justwanted would want to be sure that if we are if if MPD is the one piloting theseum and and operating them, does that constitute a level of use, like a lawenforcement agency using them. And so, right? Because, you know, you could seeif Reg Services is going to a private property and it's actually MPDoperating them, does that constitute usage? And so, we wouldn't want to putus at violation of this, either. And so, I think there's some things to to thinkthrough with some of these definitions of use or or operation on there, too.But, appreciate the the presentation and the and the answers to the question.Yeah. Thank you. Councilmember Vito. Thank you, ChairChavez. Thank you, um Commander Campbell and colleagues for the really goodquestions. Um I I have a few questions. The first one is about uh the ACLU,because I know they were tracking a lot of this with other cities who have thistechnology. What do they What are they saying about this sort of a program? Chair Chavez, Councilmember uh Vito. So,the um I haven't spoken directly to the ACLU, um but I did look at theirposition, um and they they their recommendationsare community consent, so agencies should seek approval from um theircity's councils before launching any DFR program. And as the City Attorney'sOffice referenced, our next step here is to submit a request for council actionto set a public hearing on this and to move forward. So, that's one piece,community consent. Transparency. The ACLU talks about recommendations aroundtransparency. They publish uh That means publishing drone flight data, policies,and capabilities, which we talked about the public dashboard. And thenoversight, which is requiring that drone operations comply with FAA rules. And asCommander Campbell talked about, um we are looking at all of those things. So,again, um one one When I did a little bit of research, the ACLU has expressedcautious support for drones as first responders. And And recommendations inagain, community consent, transparency, and oversight.So, we're covering our bases as far as good as you can get with the ACLU iswhat you're saying. >> Yep, Chair Chavez, Council Member Vita,that's correct. >> Okay, thank you. Uh Council MemberStevenson, I wanted to assure you that the Northside is okay with this formerbig brother as you called it. Um this work is actually coming out of years andyears of work with my constituency in Northside. I was happy to hear uhregulatory services and folks talk about uhillegal auto shops and dumping and um our police uh response times. These arethings that people on the Northside want to be better, and this is a tool we canuse. I know in other parts of the city technology is certainly a big problem.There were folks who um were trying to get rid of umShotSpotters for a while, and the Northside was up in arms because theyreally believe in the ShotSpotter technology and that um it helps to savelives. And so, I just think we live in different parts of the city, and I'mcertain that there are people on the Northside who do not like it, but I willsay that this this work and this initiative, just looking into this, iscoming out of what the Northside has asked me to do, and that's not just theresidents, that's also the fourth precinct, um which leads to my nextquestion. One of the the big things that I got out of this presentation is the umthe P uh zero and P1 call times, and um likehow the the response times, how many, first of all, calls there are just inthe fourth precinct, but um could you speak to what the responsetime is now versus like the the times that the drones would be on scene?Uh through the Chair, Council Member Vita,um through Monday uh May 11th,2026, Precinct 4 Priority 1 meeting response time is 7minutes and 48 seconds. Notably much faster than the same timelast year, which was 9 minutes and 30 seconds.Does that answer your question? Yes, it does. And what do you remember what thatslide said for the drone being on scene per- what was that response time?>> Yep, the response time to priority zero or one calls was under under roughly 2minutes. So, under 2 minutes. And now, we're not the the trial is not to notsend the officer out the it during the trial. The officer will go out. But, atsome point, it could go from a 9 minutes last year, 7 minutes this year. Um but,down to a 2 minute response time to over 33,000 calls in just Precinct 1. IsIs that what you're saying? >> That's correct. That is awesome. Um andthen, another question I had was around overtime. There's been a lot ofconversation around how we're spending money on officers. Just wondering, isthere any connection to potentially lowering overtime and like how thistechnology could possibly help us there? Through the chair, CouncilmemberCouncilmember Vita, I mean, from everything that we've seen through othercities, um overtime costs have have gone down with the use umwith with the drones. It It helps with clearing up calls for officers umit clears calls faster and it allows officers it frees up their time tohandle their calls and and get out of work on time possibly. So, umSo, there if we if I looked further, there's data that shows that overtime umchange that like the use of overtime shifts in these areas where there'sthese sort of programs. >> Correct. Yeah, overtime go down.>> Thank you. And then, Councilmember Wansley, I I the cost is certainly anissue for me, too, but I haven't even got that far yet. This the the work thatwe're doing now is really about um the pilot to see if it can be used before weget to a place of cost. I think it would do us a disservice if we start exploringthis and not even knowing if it's going to be useful and um you know, I knowthat it's going to be happening on the north side and it it it it really isn'tbecause I like I'm the person leading this, it's because the data shows thatthings are happening on the north side. There's there's another ward that isshowing is happening too, but I think that um it just it just shows stronglythat it's happening on the north side. The the things that I'm trying to workon. So, I'm I'm happy that we are using the north side as a place to pilot thisprogram and of course if it works out, I want to figure out how we fund it. Thatmay be the police department's current budget, that may be a collaboration ofeveryone, but I think we have to determine how it can be used and how ittouches the different departments before we get to that.Um and then you talked about the dashboard.So, that is like a you can just click on thison the city's website, go on to the dashboard. How soon do you think um theflights would be on the dashboard once we start to build up the program?Uh through the chair, Councilmember Vita, a very good question. Uhwe could have those flights put on there probably within 24 hours or under 24hours uh of the flights actually being flown.Okay, so that is a actual thing. Not in real time. You're not going to be ableto go on there and watch the drone flying on Penn and Lowry. It'll beIt'll be a later thing where you can go and check the the flight that it wassomewhere. Correct. Okay. All right, I got it. And then um the last question isreally about the 911 response. It is It is a 911 call that comes in. This pilotwill be triggered by 911 calls. This is not like a um someone has a warrant forsomething because we use drones already in Minneapolis for certain things, butthis is more of a 911 trigger thing. So, if someone called and said, "Someone'sdumping outside of my house. There's a lot of trash out there." They call 911,they say, "Someone's dumping, and I don't want to go out and take a photo ofthe car. I'm afraid." We could deploy the drone through the 911 call to thesite where the dumping is happening. Is that how this would work? Chair Chavez,Councilmember Vitale, that's correct. And hopefully I can give you a littlebit of an explanation for everybody here on how this works withinto the 911 center and with tracking some of theinformation on the calls. The calls will continue to come into the911 center and be put into our CAD system the way that we always do it forno matter who we send, whether it's traffic control, whether it's policeofficers. So, we will still be doing the sameprocess at 911. >> [clears throat]>> What will happen is the drone the people who are flying the droneswill be sitting right down at the end of the dispatch center, and part of why wedecided to do that is just to be able to have communication through the pilotprogram and be able to talk to each other. They will be able to go in anddecide, "Okay, this is a good call for us to go out with with the drone."That call will stay live and active. So, we will still have that call in thereduring this trial period. The drone will go out there, look at it, make any ofthe notes into the CAD system that that apply to what we saw with the drone,and then we'll still send a police officer and close it. What we're goingto do with all of that data then is be able to look at it and go, "Okay, thisis how fast we could have closed that call had we been able to do it with thedrone, or this is how fast we could have gotten the information on we saw theperson out there dumping the trash now. They weren't gone already because the911 phone call just came in and we couldn't get an officer there for10 minutes. Right, or 2 hours because it's not a priority. I mean, the bigissue too that's happening with the dumping is I think the neighbors havebeen doing a great job at trying to report it. They've been getting piecesof mail. They've been um reporting license plates, but if a person comes todispute it without proof, which these drones can provide real-time proof, thathelps us. Like people get citations and all these things, but if they comedispute it, there's no way for us to say, "No, you were there." I mean, nothe neighbors aren't going to show up in court and say, "No, I'm identifying theperson." So, these drones could help us in real time. And then the other thingis like the snow removal stuff. Um one of the biggest complaints is like peoplenot moving their cars. Or you know, we got a huge street clearing and there'sfive cars on one side of the street and we don't get to remove the snow from theentire street. And so, I don't think um I mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, Idon't think the pilot is about reprimanding people for snow removal.It's really about being able to clear up those livability issues like making surethe street cuz 911 gets those calls even though you don't answer them, you getthe calls from people saying, "My neighbor's not moving their cars fromout of the street and today is plow day." Coun- uh Chair Chavez, Council member,that is correct. This will give us some real-time information. And even withthose calls that they do come into the 911 center, we're still sending themover to traffic control and they're still having to have traffic control goover there. So, this could potentially be a time-saver and that's where youasked about the overtime costs in some of this. This could potentially be atime-saver for many of the departments if we can say, "Okay, that vehicle thatwe were going to send an officer out to is now gone. Now we don't need to takethat extra time to send an officer to that call. They can focus on clearing upthe priority calls that are sitting out there and so hopefully will helpcontribute to and this will be all part of the data that will be pullingtogether but will contribute to we won't have a bunch of calls hangingthere for the officers to have to continue to go to when these can clear.Thank you, Director. I think he's saying he wants to saysomething. Welcome. Thank you, Chair. Uh Chavez, Councilmember Vita. Just wanted to clarify about the snow emergency. It's not aboutpeople calling and saying my neighbor did not move. It's about just uh beforewe enforce, we fly the drone to kind of get an aerial map of the city and areasthat are more inaccessible so we can prioritize and go to those areas and andmaybe tag them and tell because some streets are kind of narrow, some arewide so kind of prioritizing which ones need moreuh service right away versus my neighbor is not moving. We still want people tocall those calls through 311. Or maybe we can warn people to movetheir cars because you were on the way. Yes. Yes. I like that better. Thank you.>> [laughter] >> Council member Rainville. Thank you, Chair. Just a couple of realquick questions. Uh number one uh Commander,uh so very good presentation uh but likewith all new ideas, we have new questions and I can really appreciatethe privacy concerns. But what experience have these otherjurisdictions had uh operating with these state regulations which areintended to address the privacy concerns? Are they working? Uh havepeople filed complaints in Duluth or Minnetonka? Do Do you know?Uh through the Chair, uh Council member Rainville, I am unaware of any.Um it's definitely something I could look into and and and get you someanswers on that. Yeah, but I'm not aware I I don't expect you to have the answertoday, but you can see there's concerns and it would be great to knowwhat's happened in these other jurisdictions. Okay. So,I I appreciate that and then I just have uhI don't know if it's for you or for the fire department. There's in my ward,there's a lot of problems with kids, you know, urbanburglars. Urban explorers that climb up on thesehigh-rises and they take pictures of themselves and you know, sooner or laterone's going to fall. UhWould would that be the fire department utilizing that, the police departmentutilizing to put a damper on this? In fact, I justI got a call just yesterday from another incident. But, would that be somethingthat this could help with? Uh through the chair, Council member Rainville, Ibelieve it could be a combo, right? It could bea police saying if they're trespassing, if it's a trespassing issue andum um I know it's I do I know it'sdefinitely an issue over in your ward in the past, so it's definitely somethingwe could send out um and and check an area to see that ifthere's any urban explorers uh doing something that they shouldn't bedoing. I personally have been on calls whereum somebody had fallen in one of those old grain elevators and died from doingthe urban exploring. Sure. Sure. On the river. Okay. Thank you and I do have aquestion for the fire department. >> Okay.Welcome. Assistant Chief, how are you doing?Good. Say, I'm just curious. So, you think these would be helpful?[clears throat] You have a fire, you want to see the roof conditions sonothing falls on one of your firefighters. Uh UhHow does heat play into this and for the drone operator has I mean, can you flyover? Is it heat resistant or or or may maybe that's a policequestion. All right. Uh through the chair, Councilmember Reinville, I'm notsure on their technical capabilities or how high above it it would be.Um I am aware of being able to use thermal imaging technology to stay highenough where you can look down though. Okay, I just don't want the policedepartment to get mad at the fire department cuz you wrecked one of theirdrones. Not worried about that. >> [laughter]>> Okay. Thank you. That's it. Oh, Johnny, you hadDirector Horton. Welcome. Thank you. Uh Chief Chavez,Councilmember. Perhaps I can help a little bit too on some of these callswith police and fire response jointly. Um even though the police departmentwill be flying these drones down there in MECC, whenever there's a large fireevent and a lot going on out there, one of the fire battalion chiefs comes downand works in the 911 center. So, they're sitting right there duringthe the active large event that we have going on and it's very easy for theircommunication and the communication with the police department to be jointuh either through us or just walking across the room and talking to eachother. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you.That's all, chair. Great. Thank you. It seems like no one else is on queue.So, seeing no further discussion, I'll ask the clerk to file that report.And seeing no further business before us, I will declare this meetingadjourned. >> Mhm.