[0:24] >> WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR MARCH 24, 2025. [0:30] MY NAME IS CHRIS MEYER AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WE FIX THOSE TECHNICAL [0:36] ISSUES. NOW WE'RE READY TO GET STARTED SO I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER BAXLEY IS [0:42] ABSENT. CAMPBELL. >> HERE. >> CHOWDHURY. >> PRESENT. >> CONLEY. [0:48] >> PRESENT. >> GORDON. >> PRESENT. >> JONES IS ABSENT. [0:55] MEYER. >> HERE. >> SKJEFTE IS ABSENT. THOMPSON IS ABSENT. [1:01] WAGNER IS ABSENT. WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT. >> LET THE RECORD SHOW WE HAVE A [1:08] QUORUM. FIRST WE'LL TAKE THE MINUTES OF MARCH 10, 2025. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE [1:15] MINUTES? >> SO MOVED. >> THE MINUTES ARE ADOPTED. [1:20] NEXT WE WILL ORGANIZE THE AGENDA. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED ALL OF OUR ITEMS GO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. [1:25] SO I'M GOING TO READ THROUGH EACH OF THEM. IF YOU WERE HERE TO OPPOSE ONE [1:31] OF THE ITEMS AS I READ THROUGH THEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND LET ME KNOW WHEN I MENTION THAT [1:36] ITEM. FIRST, FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THERE WILL NOT BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE. [1:41] AND THEN FOR NUMBER FIVE, 1111 [1:46] WEST RIVER PARKWAY, WAS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER [1:54] FIVE? NOT SEEING ANY, ITEM FIVE WILL GO ON CONSENT. [2:05] FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX, WERE YOU LOOKING FOR SOMETHING, SIR? >> HOW DO YOU FIND THE STAFF [2:12] RECOMMENDATION? >> WERE YOU HERE TO SPEAK [2:18] AGAINST AN ITEM? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS. [2:24] >> OKAY. FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX WE HAVE 2704 29TH AVENUE SOUTH. [2:32] YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS? OKAY, WE WILL DISCUSS ITEM [2:37] NUMBER SIX. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS [2:43] 6001 PENN AVENUE SOUTH. YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? OKAY. [2:48] ALL RIGHT, WE WILL DISCUSS ITEM [2:53] NUMBER SEVEN AS WELL. SO TO REVIEW, WE WILL HAVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON CONSENT AND [3:00] DISCUSS 6 AND 7. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT THAT AGENDA? >> SO MOVED. [3:06] >> CHAIR MEYER, I APOLOGIZE. I WAS OUT OF THE OFFICE LAST [3:13] WEEK AND SO WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY PUT ON THE AGENDA ABOUT FINALIZING ELECTIONS FOR THIS EVENING. IF WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT THIS [3:19] EVENING, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE IT, HOWEVER IT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION IF YOU WOULD PREFER [3:25] TO POSTPONE THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING. THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT ISSUE WITH POSTPONING IT IF YOU [3:31] PREFER. >> NO, LET'S GET IT DONE WITH. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA ALREADY. [3:38] >> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE THE ELECTIONS. >> SECOND. [3:44] >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES] [3:50] >> THAT AGENDA IS ADOPTED. FIRST WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR WHICH HAS NO PUBLIC HEARING, THIS IS THE SNELLING YARDS TAX [3:59] INCREMENT FINANCING PLAN. DOES ANYONE HAVE A PRESENTATION OR ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEM NUMBER FOUR? [4:04] ALL RIGHT SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER [4:11] FOUR? >> SO MOVED. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? [4:16] SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES] [4:22] >> OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? ITEM FOUR IS ADOPTED. NOW I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING [4:28] FOR OUR ONE CONSENT ITEM NUMBER [4:34] FIVE 1111 WEST RIVER PARKWAY. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM, YOU CAN DO SO? [4:39] WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO ITEM FIVE? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY [4:44] DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEM NUMBER FIVE? IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE [4:50] STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE? >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? [4:57] ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE [CHORUS OF AYES] [5:02] >> OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? OUR CONSENT AGENDA IS ADOPTED. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO OUR FIRST [5:07] DISCUSSION ITEM. 2704 29TH AVENUE SOUTH. [5:34] >> THANK YOU, CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS LOCATED AT 2704 29TH AVENUE SOUTH. [5:41] IT IS A MINOR SUBDIVISION. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED [5:48] PR2 IN THE INTERIOR THREE AND IS [5:56] 17,784 SQUARE FEET. THE PARCEL IS JUST SOUTH OF THE [6:01] MIDTOWN GREENWAY. THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING TO SPLIT UP THAT PARCEL A FROM THE [6:06] REMAINDER OF THE EXISTING PARCEL. THAT PARCEL A WILL BE RETAINED [6:16] BY THE CITY TO THE SOUTH OF [6:27] THAT -- THAT WOULD BE TO THE PARCEL TO THE SOUTH. THE PARCEL THE CITY WOULD RETAIN WILL BE JUST UNDER 5,000. [6:33] AGAIN THE REST OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL GO THROUGH A PROPERTY SALE TO THAT ADJACENT [6:40] PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS. I'LL BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL. [6:49] >> ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. [6:55] ONE QUESTION, THE PARCEL TO THE SOUTH, THAT SECOND PARCEL, DO WE KNOW THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT ONE, [7:01] PARCEL B? >> PERHAPS THE APPLICANT COULD LET US KNOW ABOUT THAT OWNERSHIP. I AM NOT FAMILIAR. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. [7:09] >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE [7:15] PUBLIC HEARING. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND JUST TELL US ABOUT YOUR [7:22] PROJECT. >> HELLO MY NAME IS LISA. I'M SENIOR PROJECT COORDINATOR [7:27] WITH CPED BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. WE CURRENTLY OWN THE PROPERTY AT THIS LOCATION. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DO [7:34] KNOW THE OWNERS OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, IT IS HILLCREST LLC. THERE IS POTENTIALLY, WE WOULD [7:44] DO A SALE IF THE SPLIT GETS APPROVED SO THAT THE OWNER COULD HAVE BETTER CONTROL OF LAWN [7:55] MAINTENANCE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. [8:01] NEXT UP, GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE [8:08] YOURSELF. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS JEFF. [8:13] I'M AT THE PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS LOCATION. WE JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS. [8:20] WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY OPPOSED TO THE ARRANGEMENT FROM WHAT I'VE TALKED TO MY NEIGHBORS BECAUSE [8:29] IT'S NOT CHANGING -- I'VE BEEN WITH THE PROPERTY FOR 19 YEARS. BOUGHT IT 19 YEARS AGO AND [8:35] ORIGINALLY IT WAS WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN, IT WAS A HUGE PARKWAY. THE WHOLE OTHER SIDE OF THE [8:40] BLOCK FROM US. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE AT THE TIME [8:47] THAT IT IS A SUPER SITE FOR [8:53] HYDROCARBON POLLUTANTS IN THE COMMUNITY. WE GOT VERY UPSET BECAUSE WE'RE [8:59] ENVIRONMENTALISTS. THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH HAS NO ONE IN IT RIGHT NOW, IT USED TO BE A GEAR COMPANY. [9:05] THEY CUT DOWN THE TREES AND THEY PAVED OVER EVERYTHING. [9:11] THEY HAD TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO MAKE SOME MONEY ON THE [9:17] PROPERTY, IT HAD SPECIAL CHANNELS IN IT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE [9:23] GARAGE ON THE NORTH SIDE WAS USED FOR COLLECTING AND MONITORING. THAT'S ONE QUESTION I HAD FOR THE PLANNERS, HAS THAT BEEN [9:30] CONSIDERED AND IS THAT ON THE PROPERTY IN THE GARAGE. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE [9:36] PLANNING REPORT ABOUT THAT QUESTION. I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I [9:41] WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER IS IF IT [9:48] DOES GO UP FOR SALE, I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE [9:55] PROPERTY TO MAKE A COMMUNITY GARDEN. THE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR, THE [10:00] HILLCREST FOLKS HAVEN'T COME OUT TO ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS OR BLOCK MEETINGS. IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT [10:05] NEIGHBORHOOD. THE CITY BLOCKED OFF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET THERE RIGHT AT THE GREENWAY WHERE THE TRAIN GOES THROUGH. [10:12] THEY DO THAT TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC FROM THE SCHOOL. BUT IT CREATED A CUL-DE-SAC ON [10:19] THE NORTH SIDE WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMELESSNESS. [10:25] AND NOW JUST RECENTLY WE'RE [10:30] ADDING 100 BED SITE. BUT THAT CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT THERE [10:37] IS A VERY DIFFICULT LOCATION FOR US WITH DRUGS AND PROSTITUTION AND HOMELESS FOLKS. [10:42] WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO HELPING THE HOMELESS WE TRY TO WORK WITH THEM TO HELP THEM OUT. [10:52] I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AS A COMMUNITY [10:57] GARDEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THE RESIDENTS HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO [11:02] BID ON THE PROPERTY IF THE INTENTION IS JUST TO KEEP IT A GREEN SPACE. THAT'S ALL I THINK I HAVE TO [11:08] SAY. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY? [11:14] NOT SEEING ANY, SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. [11:21] AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, IF YOU CAN COME BACK UP. [11:28] THIS IS UNUSUAL, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD A CONTESTED SUBDIVISION COME BEFORE US. FIRST, FOR KIMBERLY WHAT ARE THE [11:34] OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS TIME ON THIS ITEM? IS THIS THE TYPE OF THING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD [11:40] JUST CHOOSE TO DENY OR WOULD IT NEED FINDING? >> CHAIR MEYER, AGAIN THE ONLY [11:48] APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS A MINOR SUBDIVISION WHICH WAS FOUND TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE [11:54] SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. SO IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO DENY THIS MINOR SUBDIVISION, THEN YES, YOU WOULD [12:00] NEED TO MAKE FINDINGS IN ORDER TO DO SO. [12:05] >> OKAY. I GUESS THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. [12:10] COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CONLEY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. [12:15] CAN YOU PUT THAT MAP UP AGAIN, ONE MORE TIME? [12:22] OKAY, SO THE PART IN THE RED IS WHAT WOULD BE FOR SALE? [12:27] >> THAT'S THE ENTIRE SITE. [12:34] AGAIN THE GREEN BOX THERE INDICATES THAT RED BOX ON THAT PREVIOUS SCREEN. WE SEE THAT DIAGONAL LINE. [12:40] THAT DIAGONAL LINE, THAT PARCEL A AREA, THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE [12:46] RETAINED BY THE CITY. ESSENTIALLY MAINTAINED AS A RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE [12:56] WOULD THEN BE SOLD. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. [13:06] >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MY THOUGHTS ARE IT'S A POLICY DECISION FOR THE CITY TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO DO THIS, BUT [13:12] THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS JUST ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY [13:18] BASIS TO DENY THE SUBDIVISION ASPECT OF THIS. SO MY POSITION WOULD BE TO VOTE [13:25] WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR MOTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? [13:30] WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL. [13:36] >> MOVE TO ADOPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> IS THERE A SECOND? [13:41] IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX? [13:49] SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES] [13:55] >> OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? ITEM NUMBER SIX IS ADOPTED. ALL RIGHT, MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER [14:01] SEVEN. 6001 PENN AVENUE SOUTH. [14:20] >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. BEFORE YOU TODAY ARE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR A PROPOSED GAS [14:26] STATION REPLACEMENT AT 6001 PENN AVENUE SOUTH. THE TWO APPLICATIONS ARE A [14:31] CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO MODIFY A GAS STATION EXISTING ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE AND SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR A NEW [14:39] GAS STATION INCLUDING A CONVENIENCE STORE AND CAR WASH. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE [14:46] INTERSECTION OF PENN AND 60TH STREET. THE SITE IS ZONED CM2 AN [14:55] CORRIDOR FOUR. JUST OVER 12,000 SQUARE FEET. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH AN EXISTING [15:01] TWO-STORY GAS STATION AND MINOR AUTO REPAIR USE. THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN USE AS A GAS STATION AND MINOR AUTO [15:08] REPAIR FOR 70 YEARS. SO IT CURRENTLY HAS THIS EXISTING TWO-STORY BUILDING SORT OF TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER [15:15] OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN A SERVICE CANOPY WITH EIGHT PUMPS LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THAT. [15:20] THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS THREE EXISTING CURB CUTS AND THEN ALSO HAS VEHICLE ACCESS BETWEEN THE [15:25] GAS STATION AND THE ADJACENT PUBLIC ALLEY. THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING TO [15:31] REMOVE THE EXISTING GAS STATION AND TO CONSTRUCT A NEW GAS STATION AND CAR WASH. [15:36] GAS STATIONS, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW GAS STATIONS IS NOT PERMITTED IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT IN THE CITY. [15:42] GAS STATIONS EXISTING ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE, SO PRIOR TO THE LAND USE [15:47] REZONING STUDY IN 2023 ARE CONDITIONAL USE IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. CAR WASHES CAN BE ALLOWED AS [15:54] ACCESSORY USES TO GAS STATIONS AND IN THIS CASE THE SCALE OF THE CAR WASH AND GAS STATION IS [15:59] SUCH THAT THIS CAR WASH WOULD BE TREATED AS AN ACCESSORY USE HERE. [16:06] WITH THIS PROPOSED PROJECT, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO SIGNIFICANTLY EXPAND THE [16:12] CONVENIENCE STORE PORTION OF THE USE AND TO RELOCATE THAT BUILDING UP TO THE INTERSECTION SO IT HAS FRONTAGE ON THE STREET [16:18] TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF FUEL PUMPS FROM 8 TO 6 AND TO MOVE THAT TO THE CENTER OF THE SITE, AND THEN TO PUT THE NEW CAR WASH [16:25] ON THE EASTERN END OF THE SITE. WITH THE PROJECT, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO RETAIN TWO EXISTING CURB CUTS, THE ONE ON PENN AND [16:33] THE EASTERN ONE ON 60TH. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THE WESTERN CURB CUT ON 60TH AS [16:39] WELL AS TO ELIMINATE VEHICLE ACCESS BETWEEN THE CAR WASH AND THE ALLEY. [16:45] SINCE THE PUBLICATION OF THE STAFF REPORT, WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE SETS OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. [16:50] THOSE ARE PROVIDED FOR YOU IN YOUR PACKETS TODAY. THERE WAS ALSO A STAFF MEMO, [17:04] ADDING AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL ON THE C.U.P., AFTER [17:11] DISCUSSING WITH SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THE APPLICANT, STAFF DID HAVE SOME REVISIONS TO [17:17] THAT FINDING TO REFLECT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE VISIBILITY [17:22] AND POTENTIAL NOISE FROM THIS USE AND IT'S PROMINENT [17:27] VISIBILITY TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTHEAST. AND I CAN RUN THROUGH, SO THIS [17:34] PROJECT DOES HAVE QUITE A FEW RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THERE ARE A LOT OF ALTERNATIVE [17:41] COMPLIANCE REQUESTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLANS AS SUBMITTED. I'M NOT GOING TO RUN THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, BUT STAFF IS [17:47] RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF SOME AND DENIAL OF SOME WITH ASSOCIATED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. IF THERE ARE ANY OF THOSE [17:52] SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE. BUT THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 20 [17:59] CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON THE SITE PLAN REVIEW APPLICATION. [18:07] SO HERE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THIS HERE IS THE AMENDED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT [18:13] RECOMMENDATION WITH THAT ADDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL. AND THEN ALL OF THE CONDITIONS [18:21] ON THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION. WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THOSE CONDITIONS AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. [18:26] ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? NOT SEEING ANY, SO I WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. [18:31] IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND [18:37] TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. [18:47] >> HI, I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNER HERE. [18:52] WE ARE EXCITED TO REDEVELOP THE SITE. I THINK IT'S OVERDUE FOR SOME REFRESH. [19:00] WE ARE MOVING THE, AS ANDREW SAID, MOVING THE BUILDING UP TO THE CORNER TO ALLOW FOR MUCH [19:06] BETTER PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, A BETTER STREET SCAPE WITH GLASS [19:15] FRONTING BOTH SIDES. THE ADDITION OF THE CAR WASH [19:21] NEXT TO THE ALLEY KIND OF HELPS SCREEN THE ALLEY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE. [19:33] AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THE GAS CANOPY WOULD REDUCE FROM EIGHT [19:40] FUELLING STATIONS TO SIX AND WE'RE SQUEEZING IN AS MUCH LANDSCAPING AS WE CAN. I THINK IT'S ALMOST ENTIRELY [19:47] PAVED RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK THIS WILL BE A NICE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. [19:54] >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? [20:01] >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR COMING BEFORE US TODAY. MY QUESTION IS JUST COULD YOU [20:08] CLARIFY WHERE THE SCREENING WILL BE IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE THE [20:13] CAR WASH IS AND JUST SITUATED WITH THE NEW DESIGN OF THE GAS [20:18] STATION? >> YES, IF YOU HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE SITE PLAN [20:30] UP THERE, SO BETWEEN DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE CAR WASH, YOU'LL SEE A SMALL BOX IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. [20:36] THAT IS OUR TRASH ENCLOSURE WHICH WILL BE COMPLETELY SCREENED. SO WE'LL HAVE SOME FENCING [20:42] BETWEEN THE CAR WASH DOWN TO THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. AND THEN FROM THE TRASH [20:48] ENCLOSURE RUNNING WEST, WE WILL ALSO CLOSE OFF THAT OPENING WITH [20:53] FENCING. THAT CURRENTLY, THE ADJACENT SITE TO THE SOUTH IS A [21:01] COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, BUT THAT EASTERLY PORTION OF THAT SITE IS A PARKING LOT. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEPARATE THAT [21:07] OPENING SO THAT RESIDENTS IN THE ALLEY CAN'T SEE IN THERE AND THERE'S NO GLARE FROM HEADLIGHTS [21:13] AND SO FORTH. >> THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? [21:20] NOT SEEING ANY, SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT TESTIFIER. [21:26] GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR TESTIMONY. >> MY NAME IS SHERRY AND I LIVE [21:32] DIRECTLY BEHIND THE GAS STATION. I'M NOT ENTIRELY OPPOSED TO IT [21:41] AS LONG AS IT IS NOT ANY WORSE THAN IT IS NOW. [21:46] I WAS NOT AWARE OF ALL OF THESE SUBMISSIONS FROM OTHER NEIGHBORS, SO SOME OF THE THINGS [21:57] THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED -- SOME OF MY CONCERNS MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. [22:03] THE BIGGEST ISSUE I HAVE IS WITH LIGHTING. IT'S DIRECTLY INTO MY FAMILY ROOM. [22:09] I CAN SEE IT NOW. SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE ALL NIGHT OR ARE THE LIGHTS GOING TO BE ON [22:16] ALL NIGHT, THAT'S A CONCERN. IT WASN'T A PROBLEM UNTIL THE GAS STATION EXTENDED THEIR [22:22] SERVICE HOURS UP TO 24 HOURS ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO OR 15 YEARS AGO. AND SO WE HAVE LIGHTS IN OUR [22:29] HOUSE ALL THE TIME IN THE EVENING. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOURS OF [22:36] OPERATION. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THEFT INCIDENTS AT THE CORNER MINI MART ACROSS THE STREET. [22:42] THERE HAVE BEEN PARTIES OUT IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE EXISTING GAS STATION WHEN THEIR HOURS ARE [22:53] CLOSED LIKE SATURDAY EVENING. HE TALKED ABOUT FENCING, I'D HAVE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE [23:00] BEFORE I WOULD BE ENTIRELY APPROVING OF IT. I DON'T WANT TO BE SEEING CAR WASHES AND THAT SORT OF THING. [23:06] I LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE CAR WASH IS GOING TO EXIT. IS IT GOING TO EXIT IN THE [23:13] ALLEY? MY GARAGE IS RIGHT ON THE ALLEY, WE PRACTICALLY SHARE THE SAME -- [23:20] WE'RE SO CLOSE TO THE GAS STATION IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE SHARE THE SAME PROPERTY. [23:30] SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LOT SMALLER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER SIMILAR PROPERTIES. [23:35] THERE'S A GAS STATION DOWN THE STREET THAT HAS A CAR WASH AND THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON A BIGGER PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE CAR [23:44] WASH AND THE STORE, THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND THE HOURS [23:51] OF OPERATION. AND WHO'S GOING TO BE HANGING OUT THERE? THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF KIDS [23:56] HANGING AROUND IN THE PARKING LOT. SO THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME TOO. [24:02] AND NOISE. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS AND I'D [24:11] LIKE TO SEE A BETTER RENDERING OF THIS OPERATION. [24:17] THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO [24:22] TESTIFY TO THIS ITEM? GO AHEAD. [24:27] INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US YOUR TESTIMONY. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS PHILLIP RUCE. [24:34] I'M HERE IN A COUPLE OF CAPACITIES, I GUESS. THE FIRST IS I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON AND OFF SINCE I [24:39] WAS SEVEN. MOVED AWAY FOR COLLEGE, CAME BACK WITH MY FAMILY IN 2018 AND WE LOVE THE COMMUNITY, LOVE [24:46] BEING A RESIDENT OF ARMITAGE. WE LOVE IT ENOUGH, WHEN IT CAME [24:51] TIME TO EXPAND MY BUSINESS, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY JUST [24:57] SOUTH OF RICK'S WHICH IS 6009 PENN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANNING THERE, DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THAT [25:02] OVERHANG IS OUR BUILDING. SO I OWN THE BUILDING AND THE FIRM WITHIN IT. AS A COMMERCIAL TENANT, WE [25:10] BENEFIT A GREAT DEAL FROM A VIBRANT COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS [25:15] ENVIRONMENT. SO SEEING THAT BUILDING GETTING REHABBED, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT NEIGHBOR ANYWAY, BUT [25:22] SEEING THAT GET REHABBED AND APPROVED WOULD BE A BIG BENEFIT FOR US. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WITH [25:28] THE PROJECT ITSELF THAT IS BOTHERING US. BUT I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUIBBLES [25:34] WITH THE DESIGN ITSELF THAT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION. DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT [25:40] PROPERTY, OUR BUILDING GOES RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE. IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE 1962. IT'S NOT A NEW THING, IT'S JUST [25:47] THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN IT'S OUR CONCRETE BLOCK COVERED IN PLASTER AND PAINT WALL. [25:54] WHEN WE REHABBED THE BUILDING, I CAN'T IF YOU CAN SEE IT HERE, ON [26:00] THE VERY LOWER LEFT-HAND CORNER, THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THERE. AND I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO GET [26:08] DAMAGED, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THIS BUT I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AT ALL. BUT WHEN I PUT THAT RETAINING [26:13] WALL IN THERE IN FRONT OF A COUPLE OF PARKING SPOTS, I KNEW THERE WOULD BE SOME LOVE TAPS [26:19] FROM THE CARS PARKING THERE AND I WOULD HAVE SOME DAMAGE TO MY RETAINING WALL. THAT'S FINE THE PARKING WAS THERE FIRST. MY POINT IS EVEN IN A LOW [26:28] TRAFFIC AREA THERE'S BEEN SOME DAMAGE TO THE AREA THERE. BUT MY CONCERN IS WITH A CAR WASH, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT [26:36] OVERHANG, ON ANOTHER SLIDE I BELIEVE I SAW A MEASUREMENT OF 12 FEET FROM THE OVERHANG TO OUR WALL. [26:41] SO IF YOU'RE STANDING AT THE OVERHANG LOOKING AT OUR WALL, YOU'VE GOT 12 FEET. AND IF YOU WALK BACKWARDS I SEE [26:47] THERE'S A PUMP THAT'S SORT OF ANGLED, I CAN'T TELL FROM THE MEASUREMENT BUT I'M EYEING THAT AND I'M GOING TO SAY THAT'S LESS [26:53] THAN SIX FEET. SO I'M THINKING THERE'S 18 FEET BETWEEN THAT PUMP AND OUR WALL. [26:58] ANYONE WHO PARKS THERE IS GOING TO BE TAKING UP SOME SPACE. YOU LOOK AT THE TRUCKS THAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING NOW, FORD [27:05] F150 WITH ITS MIRRORS OUT IS LIKE EIGHT FEET WIDE AND IT'S ALSO ANGLED. SO PART OF THAT TRUCK OR VEHICLE [27:11] IS GOING TO BE CLOSER TO OUR WALL. IT'S GOING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO [27:16] DRIVE VERY CLOSE TO OUR PAINTED, STUCK UP WALL. AND IF THE BUSINESS IS SUCCESSFUL AND I HOPE IT IS, THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY HIGH [27:22] TRAFFIC AREA. AND IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF, IT'S A MATTER OF WHEN SOMEONE [27:27] DRAGS THEIR MIRROR ACROSS MY WALL AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN A LOT BECAUSE OF COURSE IT IS. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. [27:33] EVERY CAR WASH YOU GO TO, IT'S USUALLY LINED WITH CONCRETE [27:42] STANTIONS OR SOME SORT OF BUMPER. THERE'S THESE CONCRETE SPHERES THAT SORT OF LINE THE WAY. [27:48] AND A CAR WASH THAT USED TO RUN ACROSS THE STREET, IF YOU GO THROUGH THAT CAR WASH AND YOU COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S [27:54] SOME CONCRETE STANTIONS TO PROTECT THE FENCE OVER THERE. [28:00] MY POINT IS I DON'T SEE ANY CONCRETE STANTIONS TO PROTECT MY PROPERTY. [28:05] MY CONCERN IS WHEN THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE IT ABSOLUTELY WELL, MY INSURANCE COMPANY IS GOING TO BE CONTACTING HIS INSURANCE COMPANY [28:12] AND IT'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE THING. I'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN ALONG REALLY [28:19] WELL WITH RICK, HE'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR. BUT I WANTED TO GET THIS ON THE RECORD, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE BEING [28:24] IDIOTS IN THEIR CAR. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY? NOT SEEING ANY, SO I WILL CLOSE [28:30] THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANDREW, CAN YOU ANSWER SOME OF [28:36] THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP DURING THE HEARING ABOUT WHERE THE CAR WASH WILL EXIT? [28:43] AND ALSO DOES THE NEW CONDITION THAT YOU ADDED IN WOULD THAT HELP MITIGATE THE LIGHTING ISSUE [28:49] AS WELL AS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP DURING TESTIMONY? >> YEAH, CHAIR MEYER AND [28:55] COMMISSIONERS, SO THE CONCERN ABOUT THE CAR WASH EXITING, SO [29:00] TODAY THIS PROPERTY HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO THE ALLEY, BOTH IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND BEHIND THE BUILDING, YOU CAN DRIVE [29:07] BETWEEN THE ALLEY AND THE VEHICLE MANEUVERING SPACE ON THIS PROPERTY. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CLOSE OFF [29:15] THE ACCESS BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE ALLEY. SO THERE WILL BE CURBING AND LANDSCAPING BETWEEN BOTH THE CAR [29:20] WASH ENTRANCE AND THE CAR WASH EXIT AND THE ALLEY. THERE WOULD BE NO ACCESS AT ALL BETWEEN THIS BUILDING AND THE [29:27] ALLEY. SO THE WAY THAT CARS WOULD TYPICALLY EXIT THE PROPERTY WHEN LEAVING THE CAR WASH WOULD BE [29:33] ONTO 60TH STREET. AND IN THIS PLAN, THAT IS JUST SHOWN AS A LANDSCAPED AREA. [29:40] WE HAVE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE RECOMMENDED THAT REQUIRE A 6-FOOT, 90% OPAQUE [29:48] FENCE IN THAT AREA BETWEEN THE MANEUVERING AREA AND THE ALLEY. THE ONE EXCEPTION TO THAT IS [29:54] PROVIDING A 15-FOOT SITE TRIANGLE AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE ALLEY AND THE PUBLIC [30:00] SIDEWALK ON 60TH STREET. THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WAS ADDED ON THE [30:06] CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT IS THE FENCE ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE REAR OF THE ADJACENT BUILDING AND THE [30:12] TRASH ENCLOSURE. THE SITE PLAN REVIEW STANDARDS [30:18] DO NOT REQUIRE SCREENING BETWEEN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW STANDARDS DON'T REQUIRE [30:23] SCREENING THERE. THE ISSUE ABOUT LIGHT AND NOISE FROM THE PROPERTY THAT WAS [30:30] RAISED BY A FEW OF THE NEIGHBORS CAUSED STAFF TO RETHINK THAT AND CONNECT IT TO THE CONDITIONAL [30:36] USE PERMIT FINDINGS AND RECOMMEND PROVIDING A FENCE IN THAT LOCATION. THERE WERE ALSO SOME COMMENTS [30:42] ABOUT LIGHTING AND GLARE FROM THE EXISTING LIGHTS. I'M NOT SURE THAT THE EXISTING [30:47] LIGHTS AT THE PROPERTY HAVE BEEN REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTIES [30:52] THAT MAKE CHANGES TO THEIR LIGHTING AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY SUBMITTING A LIGHTING PLAN TO US IF THEY'RE [30:57] NOT GOING THROUGH A FORMAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAVE EVER BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE [31:04] LIGHTING SUBMITTED REGARDING THE LIGHTING THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO US AND INVESTIGATED. BUT WE DO HAVE STANDARDS ABOUT [31:11] MAXIMUM ILLUMINATION AT PROPERTY LINES BOTH FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND RESIDENTIAL [31:16] PROPERTIES. SO FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WE DO REQUIRE AS PART OF THEIR FINAL PDR A SUBMISSION OF A [31:22] LIGHTING PLAN AND THAT INCLUDES SHOWING THE ANTICIPATED [31:29] ILLUMINATION THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY AND THEN AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINES. AND WE HAVE A CONDITION OF [31:35] APPROVAL THAT'S RECOMMENDED THAT THEY DO SUBMIT THAT LIGHTING PLAN. AND THERE IS A MAXIMUM ILLUMINATION AT RESIDENTIAL [31:41] PROPERTY LINES OF HALF OF A FOOT-CANDLE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS [31:47] ALSO A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT STANDAL RELATED TO LIGHTING IN SERVICE AREAS -- DEVELOPMENT STANDARD RELATED TO LIGHTING IN [31:53] SERVICE AREA CANOPIES ABOUT THE MAXIMUM ILLUMINATION THERE AND THAT'S MEASURED IN LUMENS PER [31:59] SQUARE FOOT. AND IT ALSO PROHIBITS LIGHTING FIXTURES ON SERVICE AREA CANOPIES THAT EXTEND BELOW THE [32:05] BOTTOM OF THE CANOPY WHERE THE LIGHT WOULD BE SPILLING OUT TO THE SIDES RATHER THAN JUST DOWN. AND WE HAVE THAT REFLECTED AS A [32:11] CONDITION OF APPROVAL HERE AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO BE SHOWN ON THEIR LIGHTING PLAN BEFORE THEIR PDR WILL BE [32:18] APPROVED. AS TO THE CONCERN ABOUT VEHICLES HITTING THE ADJACENT BUILDING, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR [32:24] ZONING CODE THAT ADDRESSES THAT. [32:31] I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE A RATIONAL NEXUS TO ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL ADDRESSING [32:37] THAT. BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY NOT, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO PROPOSE ADDING BULLARDS THERE, [32:44] WE WOULD CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSE THAT. I THINK THAT'S ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY OTHERS. [32:50] >> SORRY, YOU'RE SAYING YOU DO NOT THINK WE COULD INCLUDE BULLARDS AS A CONDITION? [32:56] IT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING -- >> THAT'S MY INITIAL THOUGHT AND KIMBERLY IS WELCOME TO JUMP IN [33:02] TOO. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S NECESSARILY, I THINK LIKE ANTICIPATING RECKLESS DRIVING, I [33:07] DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE INHERENT TO THE SITE DESIGN AND IT'S NOT PART OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW [33:14] STANDARDS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO I'LL SHARE MY THOUGHTS FIRST. [33:19] I DO THINK THIS IS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT FROM THE STATUS QUO. IT LOOKS A LOT MORE PEDESTRIAN [33:26] FRIENDLY AND WITH A LOT MORE LANDSCAPING. IT DOES SEEM LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY [33:33] TO MAKE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO MITIGATE [33:38] LIGHTING AND I HOPE THE APPLICANT WILL BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR ON THAT. [33:46] AND TRY TO AVOID DAMAGING HIS NEIGHBOR'S RETAINING WALL. BUT I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE [33:52] PROJECT. COMMENTS OR MOTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL. [33:58] >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT MEYER. MOTION TO ADOPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ITEM. [34:06] >> THAT'S INCLUDING THE CONDITION, THE ADDED CONDITION REGARDING THE SCREENING, RIGHT? [34:15] >> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR MEYER. SO IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO ADOPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE [34:21] TWO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE 20 CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL [34:27] UNDER SITE PLAN REVIEW. >> IS THAT YOUR MOTION? >> YES. >> IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT [34:33] MOTION? HEAR A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER [34:39] GORDON. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? [34:46] [CHORUS OF AYES] OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION IS ADOPTED. [34:52] GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. THAT IS ALL OF OUR ITEMS. AND THEN WE HAVE THE NOMINATIONS [35:02] FROM LAST TIME. WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MOVE THE SLATE OF NOMINATIONS WHICH WAS -- KIMBERLY? [35:08] >> SURE, I CAN RECAP. SO WE HAVE OUR OFFICER ELECTIONS [35:14] HAPPENING TODAY. SO WE HAVE A NOMINATION AS COMMISSIONER MEYER FOR PRESIDENT. COMMISSIONER BAXLEY FOR VICE [35:20] PRESIDENT. AND COMMISSIONER WAGNER FOR SECRETARY. >> WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MOVE THAT SLATE? >> I WILL MOVE THE SLATE, MR. [35:26] PRESIDENT. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY [35:34] AYE [CHORUS OF AYES] OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? THAT IS ADOPTED. [35:39] THANK YOU ALL. [35:45] I DON'T HAVE A SPEECH, SORRY. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS. [35:52] OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE, WHAT IS IT APRIL 14TH, I THINK? [35:59] IS THAT CORRECT, KIMBERLY? FOR THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING. AND THEN WE HAVE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THIS THURSDAY THE [36:06] 27TH. ANY UPDATES FROM STAFF OR COMMISSIONERS? >> JUST ONE UPDATE REGARDING THE PROJECT AT 1302 DOUGLAS AND [36:15] FREEMONT AVENUE SOUTH. I THINK I TOLD YOU LAST TIME WE RECEIVED AN APPEAL FROM THE APPLICANT ON THE COMMISSION'S [36:20] DENIAL OF THE F.A.R. ON THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. THAT WENT TO THE BIZ COMMITTEE [36:26] AND THEY UPHELD THE PLANNING COMMITTEE'S ACTIONS. SO THAT WILL GO TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL THIS THURSDAY. [36:33] >> CHAIR MEYER, IF I MAY TAG ALONG AND POINT OUT BECAUSE [36:41] COUNCIL TAKES A WEEK DURING MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS SPRING BREAK, THERE'S THREE [36:46] WEEKS BETWEEN TODAY AND THE NEXT MEETING, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. >> GREAT. WE WILL ENJOY OUR EXTRA LONG [36:52] VACATION, I SUPPOSE. ANY OTHER UPDATES FROM ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO OTHER BUSINESS, WE ARE ADJOURNED.