[0:13] >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, WELCOME TO THE MINNEAPOLIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 17, 2025. [0:18] MY NAME IS CHRIS MEYER. I'M CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION. AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [0:23] >> COMMISSIONER CHOWDHURY IS ABSENT. CONLEY. >> PRESENT. >> FORNEY IS ABSENT. [0:30] GORDON IS ABSENT. JONES ABSENT. [0:38] SKJEFTE IS ABSENT. SHEPPARD. >> PRESENT. >> WAGNER. >> HERE. >> VICE PRESIDENT BAXLEY. >> HERE. [0:43] >> AND PRESIDENT MEYER. >> HERE. >> THERE ARE FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT. >> THAT IS A QUORUM. [0:50] FIRST, WE'LL MOVE TO THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 3, 2025. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT THOSE [0:55] MINUTES? IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [1:01] [CHORUS OF AYES] OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? THE MINUTES ARE ADOPTED. I WILL NEXT MOVE TO ORGANIZE THE AGENDA. ONE NOTE THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED TO [1:08] MAKE ABOUT THIS IS THERE WAS A CLERICAL ERROR. SO THERE WAS AN INCORRECT PUBLIC [1:15] NOTICE FOR PUBLIC HEARING PUBLISHED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING FOR A LAND USE APPLICATION AT [1:24] 5462 NICOLETTE AVENUE AND 5453 BLAZEDALE AVENUE. THE ITEM IS NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. BUT IT IS GOING TO BE SCHEDULED [1:30] TO BE CONSIDERED AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON DECEMBER 8TH. BEFORE I PROCEED WITH THE REST OF THE AGENDA, I WANT TO CHECK [1:38] IF ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM WAS HERE TO SPEAK TO THAT ITEM? YOU CAN SPEAK NOW IF YOU CAME [1:43] FOR THAT. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT ITEM? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL HAVE THAT ITEM [1:49] ON OUR DECEMBER 8TH AGENDA. FOR THE REST OF THE ITEMS, WE HAVE ONE ITEM WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC HEARING, ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR [1:55] THE TIF DISTRICT MODIFICATIONS AND THEN WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC [2:01] HEARING ITEMS. THE FIRST IS ITEM 5, 315 27TH [2:06] AVENUE NORTHEAST. I'VE ASKED TO DISCUSS THAT ITEM TO DISCUSS THEIR LANDSCAPING PLAN. ITEM SIX HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED [2:13] FOR CONSENT 3201 6th STREET NORTH WARD 4. WAS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST [2:19] THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX? NOT SEEING ANY, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT ON CONSENT. [2:24] AND THEN THE LAST ITEM AFTER THAT WILL BE OUR 2026 CALENDAR [2:31] OR JUST THE CALENDAR FOR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MOVE THAT [2:39] AGENDA? >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [2:44] [CHORUS OF AYES] OPPOSED? THAT IS ADOPTED. ALL RIGHT, SO FIRST WITH OUR [2:52] FIRST ITEM NUMBER 4, COMMISSIONERS IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE TIF DISTRICT MODIFICATIONS? [3:01] ALL RIGHT WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR? >> SO MOVED. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? [3:07] ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES] OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? THAT IS ADOPTED. [3:13] NOW WE'LL TURN TO OUR CONSENT ITEM, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC [3:19] HEARING FOR 3201 6th STREET NORTH. IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS AT ALL, YOU CAN NOW. [3:26] NOT SEEING ANY SPEAKERS. COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER SIX? [3:34] WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER SIX? >> SO MOVED. >> IS THERE A SECOND? [3:41] >> SECOND. >> ANY LAST DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT ALL IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM [3:47] NUMBER SIX SAY AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES] OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? THAT IS ADOPTED. AND NOW FOR ITEM NUMBER 5, 315 [3:55] 27TH AVENUE NORTHEAST. STAFF IS AARON HANAUER. [4:17] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. FOR 315 27TH AVENUE NORTHEAST, [4:23] LOOKING TO JUST DISCUSS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND THEN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU [4:28] MIGHT HAVE. SPECIFICALLY WITH THE PROPOSED TREE PLAN FOR THEIR SITE. [4:38] HERE'S THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. THE PLANS NOTE AND THE STAFF [4:43] REPORT REFLECTS SEVEN EXISTING TREES AND IT STATES 19 PLANTED [4:49] TREES WOULD BE PART OF THIS PROJECT WHEN GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE LOT WHICH IS SIX ACRES AND [4:54] THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THERE WOULD BE 80 CANOPY TREES [5:00] REQUIRED. AFTER SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT TODAY, STAFF AND THE [5:05] APPLICANT REALIZED THAT THERE ARE 30 EXISTING TREES ON SITE. [5:11] 11 OF THEM BEING EVERGREEN TREES. AND WITH THE PROPOSED TREES ON [5:18] SITE, THERE WOULD BE 57 TREES WITH EXISTING AND PROPOSED AND [5:24] AGAIN 11 OF THOSE BEING CANOPY TREES. GIVEN THE REDUCED AMOUNT OF TREES THAT THEY HAVE AND ARE [5:32] PROPOSING, THEY NEED ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE. THEY'RE REQUESTING ALTERNATIVE [5:37] COMPLIANCE FOR THE LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR THIS SITE PLAN REVIEW APPLICATION. AND THIS IS TO ESTABLISH THAT. [5:50] WE, STAFF, RECOMMENDED SUPPORT FOR THIS ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE REQUEST FOR A FEW REASONS. [5:56] ONE, THE RETENTION OF A NUMBER OF, I THINK IT WAS SEVEN OF THOSE LARGE TREES HAVING ACCOUNT [6:03] FOR SIZE AROUND 180 TO 220 INCHES. SO THAT WAS SEEN AS A BIG [6:08] POSITIVE. AND THEN JUST THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS OF THERE IS A BRIDGE EMBANKMENT ALONG UNIVERSITY [6:14] AVENUE AND THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THIS AND ALSO A STORMWATER POND [6:20] ON THE NORTHEAST END OF THE SITE. JUST THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE ABILITY TO PUT ADDITIONAL TREES. [6:27] GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE HERE AND CAN DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF [6:32] ADDING SOME MORE TREES IN THAT POND AREA. [6:39] AND POSSIBLY ALONG 27TH AVENUE AS WELL. I COULD PAUSE THERE, HAVE THE APPLICANT SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE TO [6:45] HAVE THEM SPEAK AND THEN ANSWER QUESTIONS NOW. AND/OR AFTER THEY'VE HAD A [6:50] CHANCE TO PRESENT. >> SURE. SO LET ME ASK YOU JUST A FEW QUESTIONS BEFORE WE TURN TO THE APPLICANT. [6:57] SO THEY WOULD NORMALLY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE 88 CANOPY TREES. [7:03] YOU'RE SAYING THEY'LL HAVE 57 TREES AFTER WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS TODAY. [7:08] SO HOW MANY OF THOSE WILL BE CANOPY ONES? >> THERE WOULD BE -- I'M GLAD [7:14] YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION. AND I THINK WE SHOULD DELINEATE. THE EVERGREEN TREES ARE GOOD. [7:20] BUT LET'S FOCUS ON THOSE CANOPY TREES WHEN DISCUSSING THE NUMBER MAYBE FOR SIMPLICITY. [7:27] BUT THERE WOULD BE THE 46 CANOPY TREES, I DO BELIEVE. >> 46 CANOPY TREES, OKAY. [7:35] AND THEN 11 OTHER TREES. [7:41] COMMISSIONER BAXLEY. >> AARON, I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH THE SORT OF AGGREGATING CALIBER [7:48] INCHES AS A FORM OF -- IS THAT A NEW THING OR IS THAT JUST A [7:53] CREATIVE WAY TO -- >> YEAH, DEFINITELY IN THE ZONING CODE AND SITE PLAN REVIEW [8:00] THAT'S, THE ZONING CODE ENCOURAGES THE RETENTION OF LARGE, MATURE TREES. [8:05] BUT WHEN FOR THIS SITE PLAN REVIEW APPLICATION, THERE IS NOT [8:12] LANGUAGE IN THE SITE PLAN REVIEW CHAPTER ALLOWING THE RETENTION [8:18] OF CALIBER TO COUNT TOWARDS THE NUMBER OF TREES. BUT IT WAS SOMETHING STAFF [8:23] THOUGHT WAS RELEVANT AND SEEING THE LARGE TREES AND PERHAPS SOME [8:29] LIMITATIONS ON WHERE NEW TREES COULD BE PLACED ON THIS SITE THAT HAS A LOT OF EXISTING [8:34] CONDITIONS. >> SOUNDS GREAT. THANK YOU. [8:41] >> SIR, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE CALIBER INCHES THING [8:47] WAS. SO WHAT IS IT THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT IS A BENEFIT? [8:55] >> BOILED DOWN, THEY HAVE SEVEN LARGE, MATURE TREES THAT THEY WOULD BE RETAINING FOR THIS [9:02] PROJECT. INSTEAD OF NOT SEEING ALL TREES BEING EQUAL, BUT THOSE MATURE ONES THAT CAN PROVIDE A LARGE [9:09] AMOUNT OF SCREENING AND OTHER BENEFITS. THOSE WERE RETAINED. [9:15] AND SO WE APPRECIATED THE APPLICANT DOING THAT AND INCORPORATED THAT AS SOME OF THE [9:22] REASONING WHY STAFF WAS SUPPORTIVE FOR GRANTING ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE FOR THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT WOULD BE ON [9:28] SITE FOR THAT PROJECT. >> AND THEN I WANT TO ASK ON THE RECORD A QUESTION I ASKED YOU BY [9:35] EMAIL ALREADY, BUT FOR THE STORMWATER POND AND OTHER WATER [9:41] FILTRATION AMENITIES THAT THEY PROVIDE, THAT'S NOT FACTORED INTO THE SITE PLAN AS OF NOW, [9:48] RIGHT? >> RIGHT. THE PROJECT, AT THE END OF THE [9:55] DAY, WOULD NEED TO MEET ON SITE STORM WATER RETENTION REQUIREMENTS SET BY PUBLIC WORKS [10:01] AND THE NUMBER OF CANOPY TREES FOR A SITE. ESPECIALLY IF THIS IS A BRAND NEW BLANK SLATE, THEY WILL HAVE [10:08] TO MEET THE STORM WATER RUNOFF REQUIREMENTS. THAT WILL BE SEPARATE FROM THIS LAND USE REVIEW. [10:15] IT IS RECOGNIZED THAT IT IS A LARGE PART OF THIS EXISTING SITE AND IT IS THERE NOW TODAY. [10:20] SO THAT WAS SEEN AS A LIMITING FACTOR WHERE NEW TREES COULD BE [10:27] PLANTED. BUT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, THERE MIGHT BE NOT NECESSARILY CANOPY TREES THAT [10:32] COULD BE PLANTED WITHIN THAT AREA, BUT YOU COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ON OTHER TYPES OF [10:38] TREES THAT COULD BE PLANTED IN THAT AREA TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TREES ON SITE. [10:47] >> OKAY. BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, I JUST WANT TO SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND [10:52] ABOUT WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. [10:59] I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING OFFERED. [11:04] IF IT WAS A NEW PROJECT, I PROBABLY WOULD FOR HAVING MORE [11:12] PARKING THAN THE 100 PARKING SPOT LIMIT. THIS IS JUST A RECONFIGURATION OF THE EXISTING ONE. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH [11:20] THAT. BUT IN THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT IT WAS MOVING FROM 88 TREES TO [11:26] 26, I THINK, WHICH WAS A PRETTY SHARP REDUCTION FROM WHAT WOULD [11:32] OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED. AND FOR INDUSTRIAL SITES LIKE THIS, PEOPLE WANT TO TRY TO [11:37] PROVIDE ECOLOGICAL REFUGE FOR WILDLIFE. SO I WANTED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT [11:42] MORE DISCUSSION TO SEE IF WE COULD BRING UP THAT NUMBER. AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT WE'RE [11:49] ALREADY AT 46, IT TURNS OUT. [11:54] BUT YEAH, I WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S MORE THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS [12:00] BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, [12:08] IF THE APPLICATION TEAM WANTS TO COME UP. [12:17] YOU CAN GIVE WHATEVER PRESENTATION YOU WANT. BUT OUR FOCUS IS I THINK MOSTLY GOING TO BE ON THE LANDSCAPING. [12:22] >> SURE, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CATHY OSBORNE WITH LRS OF MINNESOTA. [12:28] WE WERE FORMERLY ATOMIC RECYCLING IN CASE YOU RECOGNIZE THAT NAME. WE'VE BEEN AT THIS PROPERTY FOR [12:34] A FEW YEARS NOW. I'M HERE WITH OUR AREA VICE PRESIDENT AND OUR OPERATIONS [12:39] MANAGER SO THAT WE COULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. AND I DO WANT TO JUST SAY THAT I WANT TO THANK AARON FOR ALL OF [12:45] HIS TIME AND EFFORT FOR BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH US ON THIS PROJECT. AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. [12:53] SO DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT THE TREES SPECIFICALLY OR DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? >> WE CAN GO INTO QUESTIONS IF [13:00] YOU WANT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYMORE PRESENTATION YOU WANTED TO OFFER. SO AARON, CAN YOU PULL UP THE [13:07] PHOTOS THAT THE APPLICANT PRO PRO [13:12] PROVIDED? THEY'RE ON PAGE 27 ON MINE. I JUST WANTED TO WALK THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE AND COMMENT [13:20] ON WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT COULD BE IMPROVED ON THEM. AND TO JUST SEE IF THERE ARE [13:28] SPACES ON THE PROJECT WHERE MORE TREES COULD BE FIT IN WITHOUT TAKING AWAY FROM PARKING OR [13:34] STORAGE, BUT JUST MAKING BETTER USE OF THE LANDSCAPED AREA. [13:41] SO LIKE THE PHOTO NUMBER ONE WHEN HE GETS TO IT -- >> AARON, YOU'LL HAVE TO TELL ME [13:48] WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, HOW YOU COUNT IT A CANOPY TREE VERSUS THE EVERGREEN TREES IF THOSE [13:53] DON'T COUNT AS CANOPY TREES. >> RIGHT. A CANOPY TREE BEING A DECIDUOUS [14:00] TREE THAT CAN GROW TO A HEIGHT OF AT LEAST 35 FEET. >> OKAY. >> FOR THIS ONE, IT'S GREAT THAT [14:06] THERE'S A RAIN GARDEN THERE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE COULD BE SPACE FOR MORE TREES AROUND [14:13] THAT AND LET GRASS. >> SO IF YOU CAN'T QUITE SEE, SO [14:19] ON OUR DRAWING, THERE'S ANOTHER BIG PINE TREE. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SEE WHAT I'M [14:25] POINTING AT, BUT THERE'S EROSION OR WOODCHIPS AROUND THAT. SO THERE'S A BIG PINE TREE RIGHT [14:30] THERE BY OUR EXISTING ENTRANCE. SO THAT'S A BIG PINE TREE. WE'VE GOT RIGHT BEHIND THE RIGHT OF OUR SIGN, THERE'S A COUPLE OF [14:38] BIRCH TREES RIGHT IN THERE. THERE IS STORMWATER AND OTHER UTILITIES. [14:43] THIS LITTLE BEEHIVE RIGHT THERE. SO THE WATER, IF IT OVERFLOWS FROM THE RAIN GARDEN WILL [14:49] ACTUALLY GET TO THE STORMWATER PIPE. SO THERE IS A SERIES OF PIPES AND THEN THERE'S ALSO EXCEL [14:59] ENERGY HAS NATURAL DAYS PIPE THAT GOES FROM THE STREET 27TH AVENUE TO OUR BUILDING AS WELL. SO THERE ARE SOME UTILITIES WE [15:06] WOULD HAVE TO WORK AROUND TO BE ABLE TO PLANT ADDITIONAL LARGE TREES. >> GOT IT, OKAY. >> IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION. [15:14] WE'D ALSO LIKE TO NOT COMPLETELY HIDE OUR SIGN. >> RIGHT. >> YOU KNOW, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE OUR NAME. [15:19] >> OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. >> IF YOU WERE TO GO FARTHER WEST ON 27TH IN OUR PLAN, AND I [15:28] DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN SEE -- >> NO, NOT RIGHT NOW. [15:34] >> AARON IS THAT SOMETHING THEY CAN TURN ON? [15:43] ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAD PROPOSED ONE TREE KIND OF RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS AREA. POTENTIALLY WE COULD REORGANIZE [15:48] AND PUT A SECOND TREE. THEY'RE BIG TREES. AND THE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING [15:54] RIGHT HERE ARE VERY LARGE TREES. I MEAN, THEY TAKE UP A FAIR [16:00] AMOUNT OF SPACE. SO YOU CAN'T GET ANOTHER TREE RIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT TREE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH TRYING TO ADD MORE TREES IS [16:07] THAT THE CANOPY THAT IS ALREADY THERE, WHAT OUR LANDSCAPE [16:13] ARCHITECT SAID IS IF THEY'RE TOO CLOSE THEY WON'T GROW OR THE BIG TRADE WILL SHADE THE NEWER, [16:19] YOUNGER SMALLER TREES. SO YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH SPACE. [16:25] SO IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE ANOTHER TREE, WE COULD TALK TO THEM ABOUT 1 OR 2 MORE TREES ALONG [16:31] HERE. THERE IS A FIRE HYDRANT, BUT I [16:37] THINK, WE HAVE TO MOVE THAT OVER, I'M NOT SURE, I THINK THE WATER MUST COME FROM THE STREET, SO THAT SHOULD BE FINE. [16:43] I KNOW THAT THERE'S NATURAL GAS THAT COMES UP TO OUR BUILDING. IN BETWEEN THE TWO LARGE TREES THAT ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR, [16:51] SAY OUR ENTRANCE, THERE'S A LARGE OR THERE'S A WATER VAULT HERE. SO WE HAVE WATER THAT COMES INTO [16:56] THE BUILDING IN THIS WAY, AND THERE'S ANOTHER NATURAL GAS PORT ON THIS PART OF THE BUILDING AS [17:02] WELL. SO THERE ARE UTILITIES THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PLANTING LARGE [17:07] TREES. >> OKAY. SO THAT WAS ONE AREA WHERE I THOUGHT MORE COULD FIT IN THAT [17:12] AREA. ANOTHER AREA I THOUGHT MORE COULD FIT WAS AROUND THE STORMWATER POND. >> SO THE STORMWATER POND, RIGHT [17:18] NOW THIS IS AN EXISTING POND. IT DOES GO FAIRLY DEEP. THERE ARE WEED TREES IN IT RIGHT [17:23] NOW. WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PDR PROCESS TO GET OUR ENGINEERING COMPANY THAT IS WORKING ON THE [17:28] SITE PLAN HAS TO UPDATE THE WATER CALCULATIONS. SO I WOULD HAVE TO FIND OUT HOW [17:36] HIGH IS THE WATER LEVEL AT WHATEVER RAIN EVENT THAT THEY WANT TO DESIGN FOR SO THAT THE [17:42] CORRECT TYPE OF TREE WOULD BE PLANTED FARTHER DOWN IN CASE THEIR ROOTS WOULD HAVE TO DEAL [17:49] WITH ADDITIONAL WATER. MAYBE A WILLOW TREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT CAN TAKE WET [17:58] TOES. THERE ARE TREES ALONG OUR PROPERTY LINE. I DON'T KNOW, AARON, IF WE [18:04] SCROLL DOWN TO ONE OF THE OTHER PHOTOS WE CAN KIND OF SHOW YOU [18:11] THE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING IN THIS AREA AROUND THE LANDSCAPE OR AROUND THE INFILTRATION [18:18] BASIN. OH I CAN JUST SCROLL? OKAY. [18:25] SO YOU CAN SORT OF SEE, ARE YOU SEEING THIS SCREEN NOW? SO THERE'S SOME TREES IN THE [18:30] BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRUCKS. AND YOU CAN SEE THE TOP OF THE CANOPY OF SOME OF THE OTHER TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE [18:37] PROPERTY. >> IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT BACK UP THERE FOR PHOTO NUMBER EIGHT, [18:42] THAT AREA, THAT GRASS AREA WAS ONE AREA THAT IT SEEMED LIKE MORE COULD FIT. [18:47] I DON'T KNOW -- >> SO WE ARE ADDING FIVE CANOPY [18:52] TREES. AND THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE'RE A [18:58] ADA ADDING MORE SCREENING. THE THING HERE IS THAT OUR PROPERTY LINE IS ACTUALLY TO THE WEST OF THIS RETAINING WALL. [19:07] THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE DOES NOT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE RETAINING WALL. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS MAINTAINED BY THE [19:13] CITY, AND THERE'S AN EASEMENT ALONG JUST TO THE LEFT OF THIS [19:19] RETAINING WALL. SO IT'S EITHER THE COUNTY, BECAUSE THIS IS UNIVERSITY AVENUE OR THE CITY, WHOEVER MAY [19:24] HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE RETAINING WALL HAS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE RETAINING WALL. [19:30] SO WE CAN ONLY PUT THE TREES AS CLOSE TO THE EDGE AND WE HAVE GOT OUTLETS. [19:36] ALL OF THESE TRUCKS ARE PLUGGED IN IN THE WINTER BECAUSE THEY'RE [19:42] DIESEL TRUCKS. SO WE HAVE OUTLETS ALL ALONG THIS ROW OF PARKING AS WELL. [19:49] WE TALKED WITH THEM. WE HAVE THE TREES KIND OF SPACED OUT AS WELL SO THAT THE [19:54] UNDERGROUND ELECTRICAL WIRES IN BETWEEN ALL OF THE OUTLETS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY ROOTS THAT COULD [20:02] IMPACT THOSE AS WELL. >> OKAY. >> SO THAT WAS ONE REASON WHY WE WENT WITH THE FIVE CANOPIES AND [20:09] THEN THE ARBORVITY TREES OFFER MORE SCREENING AS THE GRADE OF [20:15] UNIVERSITY COMES BACK DOWN TOWARDS 27TH AVENUE. [20:24] OKAY. SO THIS ONE, PHOTO NUMBER 14, THAT'S THE INFILTRATION BASIN. SO THERE'S TREES, THERE'S [20:32] VEGETATION. RIGHT NOW WE CAN ONLY MOW KIND OF AROUND PART OF IT BECAUSE IT'S FAIRLY STEEP. [20:38] AND THERE ARE NICE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING THAT WILL STAY THAT ALL OF THOSE TREES THAT ARE KIND [20:46] OF RIGHT ALONG UNIVERSITY AVENUE AND WE'LL BE ADDING SOME MORE TREES CLOSER TO THE SIDE WHERE [20:52] THE PARKING IS TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT FOR ONE TREE EVERY [20:59] 50 FEET OF PARKING SPACES. SO WE'RE MEETING ALL OF THE [21:05] REQUIREMENTS. YOU CAN SORT OF SEE WITH THE LITTLE CIRCLES ABOUT MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE SPACING [21:10] FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL TREES. BUT SOME OF THESE TREES ARE [21:15] FAIRLY BIG RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE STARTING TO TURN RED, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL TREES. [21:21] SO THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY, WE'RE GOING TO ADD MORE TREES AS YOU COME THIS WAY INTO THE PHOTO [21:29] WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL PINE TREES THAT WILL HELP WITH SCREENING FOR THE [21:36] FUTURE ON SITE STORAGE. >> AND THIS IS THE MAIN ONE WHERE I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE MORE OPPORTUNITY? [21:43] BECAUSE I'M WONDERING COULD YOU PLANT MORE TREES AND MOW LESS OR IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU WANT [21:48] THAT AREA TO BE MOWED? >> THIS IS FAIRLY STEEP. SO I MEAN I GUESS WE COULD FIND [21:55] OUT ABOUT PUTTING SOME MORE TREES. WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME SPACE TO [22:01] PUT SNOW. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST IS OUR SNOW GETS PUSHED TO THIS END OF THE PARKING LOT AND THEN KIND OF [22:08] TOWARDS THE INFILTRATION BASIN. SO WE CAN'T PUT THE TREES SO TIGHTLY PACKED UP AGAINST OR IN [22:13] FRONT OF THAT BASIN, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN'T GET THE SNOW BACK THERE. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THING AS WELL TOO. [22:19] NOW I COULD SEE WE COULD TRY TO PUT ANOTHER TREE. NOW THESE PINE TREES, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT OUR [22:25] LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, WHAT KIND OF PINE TREES THEY MADE THOSE. BUT THEY GET FAIRLY BIG. [22:31] SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE COULD ADD ONE MORE TREE. BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXISTING TREE [22:36] AND TRY TO GET SOME MORE IN THERE TOO. [22:42] SO AS LONG AS WE CAN FIND THE RIGHT KIND OF TREE THAT WILL GROW IN THAT CONDITIONS WHETHER [22:48] IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE OR BECAUSE IT'S AN INFILTRATION BASIN, I CAN CERTAINLY CHECK WITH THEM TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY [22:59] RECOMMEND. >> OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ALREADY GOING TO SCROLL DOWN TO THIS, BUT FOR ME IT'S PAGE 40. [23:04] IT'S THE FIRST DIAGRAM THAT YOU HAVE THAT LAYS OUT WHERE THEY ARE. WHAT I NOTICED ABOUT IT WAS THAT [23:11] YOU PUT TREES ON THE DIAGRAM IT'S ON THE LEFT AND UPPER SIDE [23:16] OF THE POND AND DIDN'T HAVE THEM ON THE BOTTOM AND RIGHT SIDE. AND NOW THAT YOU MENTION THE [23:24] SNOW, I'M WONDERING WHICH SIDE YOU BRING THE SNOW IN ON. [23:31] AND IF THE SNOW COULD JUST BE ONE AND IF TREES COULD BE [23:36] ADDED -- IF THERE COULD BE TREES ON THREE SIDES OF THE POND. >> SURE, LET ME SHOW YOU TOO THAT THIS IS OUR STORMWATER [23:44] UTILITY PIPING. WE HAVE CATCH BASINS AROUND OUR PARKING LOT THAT COME ALL [23:49] DRAINED TO THE INFILTRATION BASIN. AND THERE ARE OUTLETS INSIDE THE [23:55] BASIN. SO WE HAD TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THE TREES DIDN'T IMPACT THAT PIPING. SO THERE'S A PIPE THERE, PIPE [24:02] THERE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PIPE OVER HERE. SO IF WE ADD ADDITIONAL TREES ON [24:09] THIS FARTHER NORTH SIDE, THAT WOULD AT LEAST BE AWAY FROM THAT PIPELINE. THE SNOW, THE WAY THAT THEY [24:15] USUALLY PUSH IT WITH A LOADER OR A BOBCAT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, [24:21] THEY WOULD PUSH IT KIND OF IN THESE OPENINGS RIGHT HERE. IT'S IN BETWEEN THE NEW TREES [24:26] THAT WERE PLANTED -- >> WE CAN'T SEE WHERE YOU'RE POINTING. >> MAYBE IF I SHOW YOU ON HERE, [24:32] CAN YOU SEE WHERE I'M POINTING HERE? >> YES. >> SO RIGHT NOW THE SNOW MIGHT GET PUSHED IN BETWEEN THESE NEW [24:39] TREES. AND THEN GETS PUSHED IN BETWEEN THESE TWO TREES. THAT'S WHAT WE DO NOW. [24:46] AND THERE'S NO TREE RIGHT THERE SO EVERYTHING KIND OF GETS PUSHED -- >> POINT TO WHERE THE PIPE IS. [24:52] >> PARDON? >> YOU'RE SAYING THE PIPE -- >> SO THERE'S THE PIPE HERE, [24:58] THIS LINE. AND THERE'S A PIPE HERE ALONG THIS LINE. AND THEN THERE'S TWO OUTLETS [25:04] KIND OF ON THE EDGE OF THE BASIN RIGHT THERE. [25:09] AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PIPE THAT COMES THIS WAY AND COMES OVER HERE. [25:14] SO THESE THREE UNDERGROUND PIPES HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. [25:22] WE COULD TRY TO PUT SOME MORE TREES ON THIS SIDE. [25:28] SO IF WE TRY TO PUT MORE TREES HERE, IT WOULD BE COMING DOWN THIS SLOPE. I HAVE TO MAKE SURE WHAT KIND OF [25:35] TREE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN BE A FULL CANOPY TREE OR IF THEY'D BE A WILLOW TREE OR IF THEY WOULD [25:41] BE MAYBE A RED TWIG, SOME SORT OF SHRUBBERY THAT COULD HANDLE [25:47] WET TOES KIND OF THING. BUT YEAH, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO [25:53] PUT MORE TREES BACK THERE IF THAT IS HELPFUL. >> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. I'M GOING TO HAVE ONE MORE [25:58] QUESTION FOR STAFF AFTER THIS. COMMISSIONER WAGNER. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR MEYER. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND [26:04] PUTTING SO MUCH THOUGHT INTO THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN. I THINK FOR ME THE AREA THAT IS MORE INTERESTING IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE LOT. [26:13] I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO POINT TO CONFIRM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING ON THE DIAGRAM, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE ADDING ONE TREE [26:19] FACING, I BELIEVE, 27TH AVENUE. DO YOU WANT TO TRY POINTING FOR ME WHERE YOU THINK I'M TALKING [26:27] ABOUT? YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT. WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS BE ON [26:32] ADDING AN ADDITIONAL TREE OR TWO ON THAT LOCATION. >> I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK ON UTILITIES. BUT I THINK WE COULD REARRANGE [26:38] WHERE THAT ONE PROPOSED TREE IS SO THAT THERE MIGHT BE 2 OR 3 [26:43] NEW TREES POTENTIALLY ON THE CORNER. YOU DON'T WANT IT TOO CLOSE TO WHERE ALL OF THE TRUCKS ARE DRIVING IN. [26:49] SO YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T OVERHANG INTO THAT DRIVE LANE. [26:55] BUT YOU COULD PUT ONE THERE, THERE, AND THERE. KEEPING IN MIND THAT THE WATER AND THE NATURAL GAS COME INTO [27:01] THE BUILDING SOMEWHERE RIGHT IN THROUGH HERE. SO THERE'S A UTILITY RIGHT -- [27:06] >> THANK YOU FOR THAT DESCRIPTION. I THINK IT MIGHT BE LABELED ON THE SITE PLAN IN THE PACKET WE [27:12] RECEIVED. AND I'M NOT SURE, THERE'S ARCHITECTS ON THIS BOARD, ON [27:18] THIS COMMISSION THAT COULD CONFIRM MY READING OF WHAT I'M SEEING. BUT I THINK THAT ALIGNS WITH [27:24] PERHAPS WHAT I WOULD HAVE IN MIND. >> YEAH, ON THIS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE ON THE [27:30] SCREEN, SO THERE'S OUR EXISTING TREE, AND THEN THERE'S A LINE THAT'S KIND OF LIGHT, I CAN'T [27:35] SEE IT ON THIS ONE, BECAUSE I MADE IT AS A PHOTOCOPY, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE ON THE SCREEN, THERE IS A LINE RIGHT [27:42] THERE. SO THAT SAYS GAS LINE RIGHT THERE. AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT OUR [27:49] WATER LINE MUST BE DOWN NEXT TO THIS AREA OR UP IN HERE IS THE [27:55] WATER LINE. BUT THIS TREE AND THIS TREE ARE THE TWO EXISTING VERY LARGE TREES. >> THANK YOU, THAT ANSWERS MY [28:03] QUESTION. >> MR. SHEPPARD. >> IF I MAY, SO ONE OF THE GOALS [28:10] WITH TREE ORDINANCE IS TO REDUCE URBAN EFFECT AND YOU HAVE TO [28:19] MAINTAIN THAT B&P AND I APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. I GET KIND OF HUNG UP ON THE B&S [28:26] PROPERTY LINE WHERE YOU'VE GOT ALMOST NO ROOM. I COMPLETELY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING, I DON'T CARE WHAT WE CALL IT IN TERMS OF [28:32] TREE OR SHRUB, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SUNLIGHT HITTING THE PAVEMENT ON [28:38] THAT WEST SIDE OF THE SITE? YOU'D HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN A [28:45] LITTLE BIT. BECAUSE THE WEST IS TOP OF THE SCREEN. >> THAT'S SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO CLARIFY. [28:50] NORTH IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE. >> NORTH IS OVER HERE. SO YOU'RE LOOKING ALONG HERE. >> I'M HUNG UP ON WHAT'S ON THE [28:57] SOUTH AND WHAT'S ON THE WEST. >> SO THE NEIGHBORS -- >> CATHY, CAN YOU SLIDE THAT [29:02] DOWN ON THE -- THERE YOU GO. >> PERFECT. YOU CAN SEE THAT LITTLE TINY STRIP. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 5 OR 6 [29:09] FEET. >> THE STRIP THAT WE HAVE HERE IS LIKE NINE FEET, I BELIEVE. 7 OR 9 FEET WE HAVE THAT AS. [29:17] SO IF YOU'RE PICTURING OUR ENTRANCE WILL HAVE TRUCKS GOING IN, THE NEIGHBORS USE THE EASEMENT WHICH IS OWNED BY THE [29:23] RAILROAD AS THEIR ENTRANCE FOR LARGE SEMI TRUCKS. AND CURRENTLY THAT WHOLE AREA [29:30] IS, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S ALL PAVEMENT AND ALL THE WAY TO THE [29:36] NORTH, IT'S ALL CURRENTLY PAVEMENT AS WELL. AND THERE'S KIND OF THE WAY [29:44] EVERYTHING DRAINS, I GUESS IT WILL BE SORT OF INTERESTING, ONCE OUR ENGINEERING FIRM DOES [29:50] THAT GRADING PLAN THROUGH THE PDR PROCESS, THE ORDINANCE [29:57] DIDN'T REQUIRE ANY GREEN FOR SCREENING ON THIS SIDE BECAUSE [30:02] IT'S NOT NEXT TO A PUBLIC STREET. SO WE WANTED TO USE THAT SPACE AS BEST WE COULD FOR OUR USE. [30:10] THERE IS ALL OF THE EVERGREENS ON THE FAR NORTH SIDE AND THEN WE WERE GOING TO ADD MORE GRASS [30:18] AT THE VERY FAR NORTH. I SUPPOSE ONE OPTION IS TO MAKE THIS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT WIDER [30:23] AND ADD MORE TREES THERE. >> YEAH, AGAIN MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH SHADING, NOT [30:30] SCREENING. SHADING YOUR SITE IN PARTICULAR. >> YEAH. [30:37] >> JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. [30:43] IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET ANYTHING AT ALL FOR LACK OF A BETTER [30:50] PLANT SPECIES? >> ARE YOU THINKING IN THE AREA -- >> IN THAT AREA UP THERE? [30:56] >> WE COULD CHECK TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO ALONG HERE. WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT A LARGE [31:03] CANOPY TREE. >> NO, NO. >> BECAUSE OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC THERE. >> AGREED. >> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE [31:09] LIGHTING THAT IS IN HERE IS ALSO ABLE TO LIGHT THE PARKING LOT. THIS IS THE SIDE WHERE WE'D HAVE VISITOR PARKING. [31:14] SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT'S DARK THAT THE LIGHTING IS ABLE TO WORK. [31:21] BUT MY THOUGHT, I WANT TO HAVE AN AREA TO PUT SOME NATIVE GRASSES AND SOME NATIVE PLANTS AND THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A GOOD [31:27] AREA TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE LOW. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOMETHING [31:35] DIFFERENT, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT. >> THAT'S MY TWO CENT WORTH. [31:46] JUST TO GET A LITTLE MORE SHADE IN THE PARKING LOT. NOT A COMPLETE WALL. >> SO YOU'RE THINKING MORE LIKE [31:53] AN ARBORVITI. >> YEAH, SOMETHING 15 FEET FROM [32:00] THE GROUND. >> OKAY, WE CAN FIND OUT HOW WIDE THOSE GET. >> THERE ARE MANY KINDS. [32:08] THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VARIETIES. >> YEP. >> SO THAT YOU'RE AMENABLE TO [32:13] LOOKING INTO THAT IS ALL I'M LOOKING FOR. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. [32:18] THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. I'M SORRY, IT WASN'T. THE ISLAND IN THE CENTER OF YOUR [32:24] LARGE LOT, YOU HAVE FOUR TREES. IS THAT -- >> YEAH, SAME THING HERE. WE'LL HAVE OUTLETS -- [32:31] >> SAME AS UNIVERSITY? I SEE. >> THERE'S OUTLETS HERE AND [32:37] OUTLETS HERE. EVERYWHERE WHERE THERE'S TRUCK PARKING BECAUSE THERE'S TRUCK PARKING HERE, HERE, AND HERE. [32:43] THERE WILL BE ELECTRICAL CONDUITS IN BETWEEN AND UNDERNEATH THERE. WE'VE GOT TWO LIGHT POLES HERE. [32:49] AND THEN THE LIGHT POLES HERE AND HERE, I BELIEVE TOO. SO THAT ALL HAS ELECTRICAL [32:55] CONDUIT THAT RUNS TO THAT AREA. >> UNDERSTOOD. THANKS. >> I GUESS IF I WAS TO TRY TO [33:03] OFFER THESE WERE SMALLER TREES JUST BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING. [33:08] WE HAVE TRUCKS HERE RIGHT NOW. AND THIS IS AN EXISTING GREEN [33:13] SPACE ISLAND RIGHT NOW. IF WE WERE TO ADD ANOTHER TREE [33:19] THERE, SOMEHOW REPOSITION THEM SO THAT YOU COULD PUT THREE THERE IF THAT WOULD BE, IF YOU'D [33:25] LIKE THAT. >> MORE SHADE ON PAVING IS ALL GOOD TO ME. SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> OKAY. [33:31] >> COMMISSIONER BAXLEY. >> AGAIN, I ECHO COMMISSIONER [33:37] WAGNER'S THANKS FOR KIND OF WORKING THIS OUT. I GUESS I'VE LEARNED THIS FROM [33:43] MY WIFE WHO'S A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, WHEN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS START PLANNING WHERE [33:49] TREES GO, THAT'S WHERE WE RUN INTO TROUBLE. WHATEVER GETS APPROVED, MAKE SURE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT GETS [33:57] INVOLVED I'M CONCERNED FROM THE GET GO. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SKINNY ISLAND, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT [34:03] ENOUGH SUBSTANTIAL THERE TO GET A TREE TO GROW. >> WELL WE HAD THE SEVEN FOOT [34:09] AND WE MADE IT NINE BECAUSE WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT TREE BRANCHES AND TRUCKS. EITHER THE TRUCK GETS SCRATCHED [34:15] OR THE TREE BRANCH GETS BROKEN. >> WHICH IS ALL GOOD, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MEAT IN THERE TO [34:21] GROW. >> BUT WE DID MAKE THE OTHER ONE WIDER BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A NEW ONE. [34:26] >> COMMISSIONER CONLEY. >> THANK YOU. AND I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION AND YOUR [34:33] WILLINGNESS. I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS OF URBAN HEAT ISLAND AND WHAT THESE [34:40] REQUIREMENTS ARE DESIGNED TO DO. I ALSO THINK THAT LANDSCAPING [34:46] IS, TREES ARE INFRASTRUCTURE IN MY OPINION. THEY'RE PART OF THE OVERALL LANDSCAPING. [34:51] BUT I ALSO THINK THAT LANDSCAPING IS A PART OF THE BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL. AND I WONDERED IF YOU HAD [34:58] CONSIDERED GREEN ROOFING. THERE'S A LOT OF FLAT ROOF SPACE. AND GREEN ROOFS CAN DO THE SAME THING. THEY CAN DO A LOT AROUND [35:06] STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, REDUCING THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND, IMPROVING AIR QUALITY, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SEE IN LARGE [35:12] INDUSTRIAL SPACES AND WHAT THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE DESIGNED TO DO. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU [35:17] HAVE CONSIDERED. I KNOW THAT THERE IS FUNDING AVAILABLE OUT IN THE WORLD FOR [35:23] FOLKS WHO WANT TO DO THINGS LIKE [35:29] GREEN THERE SPACES. SO A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT FOR LARGER BUILDINGS WITH FLAT ROOFS LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE IS TO MAKE IT [35:34] A GREEN ROOF. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING OR WOULD CONSIDER? >> WE ACTUALLY WERE CONSIDERING [35:39] SOLAR, PUTTING SOLAR ON THE ROOF. >> YOU COULD DO BOTH. [35:44] >> BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME OTHER AREAS IN NORTHEAST THAT WAS OPEN [35:50] TO ADDING MORE TO I GUESS THE COMMUNITY SOLAR GARDENS. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT ROOF [35:56] DESIGN THAT YOU NEED EVEN TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR STRUCTURE CAN SUPPORT SOLAR PANELS. [36:02] WE HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO DOING A GREEN ROOF BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE SOLAR SIDE. [36:13] >> OKAY. SO FOR THE ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE, WE HAVE TO SPECIFY THE NUMBER OF CANOPY TREES THAT [36:19] ARE REQUIRED. SO AFTER TODAY'S UPDATE, YOUR PROPOSAL IS AT 46. [36:25] AFTER DISCUSSIONS THAT WE JUST HAD, HOW MANY ADDITIONAL CANOPY TREES DO YOU THINK WE COULD FIT [36:31] IN THERE, LIKE IF WE SET IT AT 50, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO [36:36] ACCOMMODATE THAT? >> SO THAT'S FOUR MORE CANOPY TREES? [36:41] YEAH, I THINK WE CAN ADD FOUR MORE. >> AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR AARON. [36:49] JUST TO -- SO WE HAVE CONDITIONS [36:57] AROUND CANOPY TREES AND SHRUBS. DO WE HAVE A CONDITION AROUND [37:02] TREES IN THE MIDDLE. LIKE THAT ARE BENEATH 35 FEET? LIKE WE DON'T REQUIRE A CERTAIN [37:09] NUMBER OF THOSE? >> THOSE ARE, THOSE COUNT [37:17] TOWARDS SOME PARTS OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW CHAPTER. I COULD LOOK QUICKLY TO SEE HOW [37:23] MANY ORNAMENTAL TREES, NOT CANOPY TREES, THEY ARE [37:29] PROPOSING. BUT IF YOU WANT TO CALL OUT A NUMBER OR IF THERE'S A NUMBER [37:37] THAT WITH YOUR DISCUSSIONS -- >> CHAIR MEYER, TO ANSWER YOUR DISCUSSION, ORNAMENTAL TREES DO [37:43] NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE TREE OR SHRUBBERY REQUIREMENT. [37:49] WE OFTEN USE THOSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE, AND WE CAN USE THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE [37:55] PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT. AND IN THIS CASE IN GUIDING THE DISCUSSION, I WOULD JUST SAY, [38:01] COMMISSIONER BAXLEY DID BRING THIS UP, I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST ANY SPECIFICS ON PLACEMENT AND [38:07] STEER THE COMMISSION TOWARDS JUST A GENERAL NUMBER IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDING OR CHANGING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL RELATED TO [38:14] THE TREES. >> OKAY. [38:19] SO I'M FINE WITH SETTING THE CANOPY REQUIREMENT AT 50 AND THEN THEY MEET THE SHRUBBERY [38:25] REQUIREMENT AND THE OVERALL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT. SO I GUESS I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT [38:32] THAT. COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A CONDITION AROUND THE ONE -- >> NO, I JUST WANTED YOU TO LOOK [38:37] INTO IT. THAT'S ALL. AND NINE FEET IS WIDER THAN EVERY CITY BOULEVARD EVERYWHERE. [38:43] SO IT'S DOABLE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR WORKING THAT [38:49] THROUGH WITH US. [38:54] >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM, BUT JUST IN CASE. [39:00] I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO COMMISSIONERS, I SHOULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC [39:05] HEARING WAS OVER, BUT WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS TO SUPPORT THE [39:10] STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE MODIFICATION THAT THE ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE WOULD BE 50 CANOPY TREES INSTEAD OF 26. [39:19] ANYMORE DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER WAGNER? >> I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I THINK GETTING TO 50 WOULD [39:25] REQUIRE THEM TO BE USING THAT AND I'M GETTING THROWN OFF BY THE ORIENTATION OF THE DIAGRAMS, [39:32] BUT I BELIEVE THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT WHERE THE STORMWATER POND IS. IF THEY WERE TO ENCOUNTER [39:39] DIFFICULTIES AT THAT LOCATION, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE STANDPOINT? >> THAT'S WHY I WAS CAUTIONING [39:45] AGAINST CHOOSING SPECIFIC LOCATIONS. THERE'S A VERY HEFTY MANUAL THAT [39:51] LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS USE WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT CERTAIN PLANTINGS CAN BE USED IN [39:59] CERTAIN STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE LOCATIONS. SO THE APPLICANT SHALL WORK WITH [40:05] STAFF COULD BE ADDED INTO THE CONDITION AND IN THAT CASE IF IT'S FOUND THAT THERE AREN'T [40:11] FEASIBLE LOCATIONS FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL TREES, WE COULD WORK THAT OUT ADMINISTRATIVELY. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT [40:18] CLARIFICATION. I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT ADDING THAT VERBIAGE. I WOULD TRUST STAFF TO WORK WITH [40:24] THEM WITH THIS SITE. I WOULD HATE FOR ALL OF THE WORK THEY PUT INTO THIS PLAN TO BE [40:30] DETERRED BECAUSE WE PICKED 50 AND THEY COULDN'T GET TO 50. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT MOTION IN [40:36] ADDING THAT LANGUAGE. >> I THINK I'D RATHER JUST LEAVE IT AT 50. BECAUSE THAT IS THE GUIDANCE [40:41] THAT KIMBERLY WAS GIVING US. WE DIDN'T WANT TO SAY WHERE EXACTLY IT WAS PLACED. [40:47] WE COULD JUST REQUIRE 88 AND REQUIRE IT TO BE TAKEN FROM [40:53] PAVEMENT OR WHATEVER ELSE IF THAT WAS WHAT IT CAME TO. I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS RECEPTIVE TO 50 AND I THINK WE [40:58] SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. >> I'D BE HAPPY WITH THAT AS [41:04] WELL. I THINK THAT AND I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD OR BAXLEY THINK. [41:11] I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE A LOCATION FOR FOUR TREES WITHOUT THE [41:16] STORMWATER POND. IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO ADD THEM BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE, THEY COULD BE IN A TIGHT SPOT. [41:23] >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE SLOPE MATTERS. YOU HAVE TREES ON HILLS ALL THE TIME. [41:28] >> GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD. >> IT'S THE PROXIMITY TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. [41:34] THE B&P IS ITS OWN SPECIAL THING THAT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED. SO THERE'S SOME CONCERNS AROUND [41:41] GETTING ACCESS TO IT AND MAINTAINING THAT SLOPE. I BETTER NOT TOUCH THAT. [41:47] >> OKAY. [41:54] >> IF THE APPLICANT IS AMENABLE TO 50, GREAT. [42:02] I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC. [42:08] AND WHEREVER THEY GO, THEY GO. THEY LOOK CONFIDENT. HOW WOULD THE LANGUAGE READ? [42:15] I'M HEARING LANGUAGE WORK WITH STAFF TO GET TO 50. [42:20] AND THEN JUST KEEPING THE NUMBER AT 50. SO A HAPPY MEDIUM, RIGHT, IS [42:27] WHAT WOULD THE AMENDED LANGUAGE SOUND LIKE? >> SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE [42:37] WOULD ADD UNDER SITE PLAN REVIEW THAT THERE WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 50 CANOPY TREES PLANTED ON SITE. [42:47] >> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, YES. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A [42:53] MOTION? >> SO MOVED. >> SO YOU'RE MOVING THE STAFF [42:59] RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CONDITION OF 50 CANOPY TREES ON SITE? >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? [43:05] >> SECOND. >> MORE DISCUSSIONS? COMMISSIONER CONLEY. >> SO JUST GOING TO ASSUME THAT [43:11] WITH NUMBER SIX MINIMUM OF 50 TREES PLANTED ON SITE, THAT APPLICANT AND STAFF WOULD WORK [43:18] TOGETHER ON PLACEMENT. SO THEN THAT DOES BEG THE [43:24] QUESTION, ABOUT LOCATION, RIGHT? SO IF THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND THEY SAY MAN, WE'VE SCOURED [43:32] THE ENTIRE SITE. ALL HOWEVER MANY ACRES IT IS. [43:37] AND THEY CAN FIT THREE MORE AND THAT'S IT. THEN WHAT HAPPENS? >> THEN THE APPLICANT COMES BACK [43:43] TO THIS COMMISSION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR SITE PLAN REVIEW APPLICATION. >> SO THEN IS THERE LANGUAGE [43:48] THAT AVOIDS HAVING TO COME BACK? >> YES SAYING THE APPLICANT SHALL WORK WITH STAFF TO PLANT A [43:54] MINIMUM OF 50 CANOPY TREES ON SITE. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET [44:00] TO. >> UNDERSTOOD. THAT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. >> WELL, OKAY. [44:05] >> I THINK WE CAN WORK IT OUT WITH THE APPLICANT. [44:13] >> DID YOU WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO IT OR CAN WE LEAVE IT AS IT IS, COMMISSIONER [44:19] CONLEY? >> I'M HEARING THAT STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND I THINK WE CAN GET THERE. [44:24] SO I'M GOING TO TRUST STAFF EXPERTISE. [44:30] >> ANYMORE DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER CONLEY. [44:36] >> AYE. >> COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD. >> AYE. >> COMMISSIONER WAGNER. [44:41] >> AYE. >> VICE PRESIDENT BAXLEY. >> AYE. >> AND PRESIDENT MEYER. >> AYE. [44:47] >> THERE ARE FIVE AYES. >> THAT CARRIES. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. [44:54] OUR LAST ITEM, ADOPTION OF THE 2026 TRANSITION CALENDAR. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? [45:03] WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MOVE ADOPTION OF THE TRANSITION CALENDAR? >> SO MOVED. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. [45:08] >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES] OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? THAT IS ADOPTED. [45:14] SO WE HAVE NO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THIS WEEK FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. AND THEN OUR NEXT AND I THINK [45:21] LAST REGULAR MEETING WILL BE DECEMBER 8, 2025. ARE THERE ANY UPDATES FROM STAFF [45:28] OR COMMISSIONERS? >> ONE UPDATE FROM STAFF, WE DID RECEIVE AN APPEAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION [45:33] FOR THE PROJECT AT 4109 AND 4113 SHERIDAN. AN APPEAL OF ALL APPLICATIONS SO [45:38] THAT WILL GO FORWARD TO THE DECEMBER 2ND BHZ COMMITTEE OF [45:44] THE CITY COUNCIL. >> ALL RIGHT. [45:50] SEEING NO ONE ELSE, THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF OUR BUSINESS SO WE ARE ADJOURNED.