[0:14] >> I'LL RECONVENE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. HILARY, IF YOU CAN

[0:21] CONTINUE. (SPEAKER NOT MIC'D.) >> OKAY. JUST KIDDING. SO.

[0:27] SO I WAS SPEAKING TO THE AMENITIES THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR THE PUD. WE ARE

[0:33] RECOMMENDING 16 POINTS FOR THOSE AMENITIES. THERE IS ALSO A NEED

[0:39] FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND

[0:46] WE'RE RECOMMENDING RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. THERE ARE THREE VARIANCES FOR YOU THIS EVENING ONE IS TO

[0:51] INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON THIS SITE FROM 100 TO 287, AND TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT

[0:57] OF PARKING LOT FRONTAGE ALONG DOWLING AVENUE NORTH FROM 40 FEET TO 115 FEET, AND FROM 40

[1:04] FEET TO 1,075 FEET ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH. SO THE ZONING CODE LIMITS THE NUMBER OF

[1:12] PARKING SPACES ON A SURFACE PARKING LOT TO 100. THERE ARE 287 PARKING SPACES PROPOSED SO

[1:17] THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR THE VARIANCE. AGAIN, THE ZONING CODE

[1:24] LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING LOT FRONTAGE ON A STREET AND IF IT'S ON A CORNER IT APPLIES TO BOTH

[1:29] STREETS OR ALL STREETS THAT A SITE WOULD TOUCH OF AND SO THERE'S MORE THAN 40 FEET OF

[1:36] PARKING LOT FRONTAGE PROPOSAL ALONG DOWLING AND ALONG WASHINGTON AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE.

[1:41] THERE ARE UNIQUE NEEDS FOR A REGIONAL INVESTMENT SUCH AS THE CPAC IN ENSURING EVENT DAY

[1:48] OPERATIONS RUNS SMOOTHLY IS WITH THEM. THE CPAC IS BEING DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY THAT HAS LIMITED ON-STREET PARKING AND

[1:55] LIMITED TRANSIT ACCESS. THERE ARE NO EXISTING TRANSIT ROUTES IN THE IMMEDIATE

[2:01] VICINITY OF THE VENUE. LOCAL METRO TRANSIT ROUTES 22 AND 32 RUN CLOSEST TO THE SITE.

[2:08] APPROXIMATELY WITH THE NEAREST STOP 1 MILE. I CAN SAY SINCE MY

[2:14] INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROJECT SINCE 2011 WE HAVE TALKED WITH MET TRANSIT OVER THE YEARS THERE'S

[2:19] NOT ENOUGH HERE TO BRING THE TRANSIT LINE SO WE NEED MORE HERE TO BRING CLOSER TRANSIT.

[2:26] LIGHTS IT'S LIKE FIELD OF DREAMS. IF WE BUILD IT THEY WILL BRING THE ROUTES. IT'S ONE

[2:31] OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE PATIENT AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KIND OF MASSAGE THIS AND

[2:37] NURSE THIS DOWN THE PATH AND SO HOPEFULLY, WE HAVE A CPAC WITH 8200 SEATS AND 90 CONCERTS, 54

[2:43] COMMERCIAL EVENTS OR UP TO 90 SHOWS A YEAR AND THEN WE GET HOUSING AND THEN WE GET THIS.

[2:49] THEN WE HAVE A MASS OF PEOPLE, A MASS OF, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITY. THAT'S WHEN HOPEFULLY, MET

[2:55] TRANSIT COMES TO THE TABLE AND WE START REALLY HAVING THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT AN ACTUAL ROUTE CLOSER TO THE SITE.

[3:01] THAT HAS BEEN AND IS STILL A GOAL OF THIS PROJECT. NOT

[3:07] JUST THIS PARKING LOT NOT JUST THE CPAC BUT ALL OF THEM. THE SITE HAS 158 FEET OF

[3:13] FRONTAGE ALONG DOWLING AVENUE NORTH. 1204 OF FRONTAGE ALONG

[3:18] WASHINGTON AND THE SITE NARROWS OF 3 FEET DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN

[3:24] END OF THE SITE. THE SITE IS LONG AND NARROW WITH A SOMEWHAT ATYPICAL STREET FRONTAGE WHEN COMPARED TO THE LOT WITH THIS IS

[3:31] A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE SITE. PROVIDING A PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR

[3:36] RIDE-SHARE AND PAID PARKING NECESSARY TO HELP ALLEVIATE CONGESTION IN THE STREETS. WITH

[3:42] THE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE ALONG BOTH DOWLING AND WASHINGTON

[3:48] ALLOW THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT COULD FIT ON THE SITE. THE PROPOSED 287 SPACE PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING

[3:54] LOT WILL HELP ACHIEVE THE PLIT GOALS OF THE. THE PROPOSALS TO HAVE ONE

[4:03] PARKING LOT INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE PARKING SPACES IS MORE EFFICIENT LAND AND WILL ALLOW FOR BETTER

[4:09] TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT ON EVENT DAYS WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT VARIANCE.

[4:15] THERE IS A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF EV CHARGING STATIONS ON THE SITE FROM 14 TO

[4:21] 0. THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES THAT WHEN YOU BUILD A PARKING LOT OVER 20 OR MORE SPACES, THAT

[4:29] THAT YOU HAVE 5 PERCENT OF THOSE SPACES BE EV CHARGING. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING TO

[4:35] HAVE ANY EV CHARGING STATIONS ON THE SITE SO HAS REQUESTED THE

[4:42] VARIANCE. AGAIN, THIS PARKING LOT WOULD SERVE THE CPAC WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT AT 3501

[4:49] WEST RIVER ROAD NORTH, IT'S A 182 SEAT AMP THEORY IT COULD HAVE 154 LARGE TICKETED EVENTS.

[5:00] AT THE VENUE. DURING ONE CALENDAR THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE USED UP TO

[5:05] 90 DAYS OR 25 PERCENT OF THE YEAR. THERE WOULD BE GATES LOCATED AT EACH OF THE VEHICLE

[5:11] INSTANCES AS THIS WOULD NOT BE USED ON NONEVENT DAYS. CHALLENGES EXISTS IN

[5:16] COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCES DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE PROPERTY. IT WILL ONLY BE USED

[5:22] 25 PERCENT OF THE YEAR AND GATED TO RESTRICT ACCESS WHEN THERE ARE NO EVENTS AT THE CPAC.

[5:30] ADDITIONALLY 26 TOTAL PARKING SPACES PROPOSED WOULD BE USED FOR RIDE SLURRING WHICH WOULD TURN OVER MANY TIMES DURING THE

[5:35] COURSE OF AN HE EVENT. THE UNIQUE NATURE AND LIMIT OF THE PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT

[5:41] OVER THE COURSE OF ONE YEAR CREATE CHALLENGES IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE PROVISION.

[5:46] WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU GRANT APPROVAL OF THAT VARIANCE. THE LAST VARIANCE THAT IS

[5:52] NEEDED IS TO ALLOW OFFSITE PARKING IN THE CM2 DISTRICT FOR USE LOCATED IN THE PR1. SO WE

[6:00] DIDN'T QUITE GOT IT RIGHT WHEN WE ZONED THE SITE. WHERE THE

[6:06] AMPHITHEATER IS, IT IS PRODUCTION MIXED USE SO A PR

[6:12] ZONING DISTRICT WHERE THE CPAC IS, IT IS CM2 SO A COMMERCIAL PR

[6:21] CANNOT PARK WITHOUT A C VARIANCE THEY CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT A RIGHT, AND SO THEY HAVE

[6:26] REQUESTED THE VARIANCE TO AL ALLOW -- TO ALLOW OFFSITE PARKING IN THE CM2 DISTRICT FOR

[6:34] A USE LOCATED IN THE PR1 DISTRICT AND I CAN SAY THAT MY MANAGER WENT AROUND AND AROUND

[6:39] HOW TO WRITE THAT ONE SENTENCE FOR PROBABLY 15 MINUTES SO I HOPE IS READS WELL.

[6:45] THE ONLY OTHER SITES LOCATED IN THE P PRODUCTION MIXED USE WHERE THE CPAC WILL BE

[6:51] LOCATED ARE RIVERFRONT PROPERTIES ALONG WEST RIVER NORTH-SOUTH OF THE CPAC ARE OCCUPIED BY EXISTING USES THAT

[6:57] ARE NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE

[7:02] NORTH WITH THROUGH-ACCESS WHEREAS, THE RIVERFRONT PARCELS CAN ONLY BE ACCESSED FROM WEST

[7:08] RIVER ROAD NORTH. LOCATING THE PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR THE CPAC ON THIS SITE

[7:13] LOCATED AT 3701 AND 3601 WASHINGTON GREAT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ENTERING THE

[7:23] UPPER HARBOR AREA AND. THE PROPOSED AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES IS NOT EXCESSIVE

[7:28] AS THERE ARE LIMITED ON-STREET PARKING SPACES LOCATED IN THE UPPER HARBOR DEVELOPMENT AREA

[7:34] AND THE CPAC ITSELF WILL NOT HAVE ANY ONSITE PARKING. AGAIN, WHEN THERE IS DAYS

[7:43] THERE ARE EVENTS CPAC WILL HELP DIRECT TRAFFIC. THOSE ARE THE VARIANCES.

[7:48] WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT VARIANCE AS WELL. THE LAST APPLICATION IS

[7:54] THAT IS NEEDED IS SITE PLAN REVIEW THAT IS NEEDED FOR ANY NEW PARKING FACILITY.

[8:00] THERE ARE A FEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT I WILL POINT OUT AND THEN THERE ARE FOUR

[8:06] AREAS OF A COMPLIANCE THAT IS REQUESTED FOR TOTAL NUMBER OF TREES. THEY NEED -- THE TOTAL

[8:13] NUMBER OF TREES REQUIRED IS 51. THEY HAVE 39 WE'RE RECOMMENDING.

[8:18] WE'RE RECOMMENDING THEY HAVE 51 TREES. SAME THING FOR THE SHRUBS WE'RE RECOMMENDING THEY PROVIDE ALL THE SHRUBS AND ALL

[8:24] OF THE TREES FOR THIS PARKING LOT. AND THE NEXT ITEM THAT THEY NEED COMPLIANCE FROM IS THE

[8:31] PARKING LOADING LANDSCAPING AND CYCLONE AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF TREES ON NORTH

[8:38] WASHINGTON. THEY WOULD NEED 30 -- NO, EXCUSE ME, THEY WOULD -- THE TREE REQUIREMENT ALONG WASHINGTON -- SO JUST FROM

[8:44] THE SOUTHERN END UP TO HERE IS 43 TREES. MY MATH SEEMS TO

[8:50] BE -- THAT SEEMS HIGH BUT, NO. THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE 32 MORE TREES BECAUSE THEY'RE

[8:56] PROVIDING 11 ALONG WASHINGTON. AGAIN, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT

[9:03] THEY UNDEFEATED GENERAL LANDSCAPING FOR HAVING THOSE 51 TREES SO WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING

[9:09] THEY HAVE THE 51 PLUS THE 42 TREES OR WHATNOT ALONG

[9:14] WASHINGTON. WHAT WE'RE ASKING -- OR WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS ALTERNATE COMPLIANCE IS TO PUT THE TREES WHERE THEY WANT ON

[9:19] THE SITES. THERE ARE TWO PARKING SPACES AND I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE SOMEONE TO POINT THEM OUT THAT DON'T MEET WITHIN

[9:26] 50 FEET. I'LL SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE. THEY ALSO NEED TO ADD ONE MORE TREE TO MEET THAT

[9:33] REQUIREMENT. SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ULTIMATELY WITH THESE CONDITIONS IS THAT THEY MEET THE TREE AND THE SHRUB

[9:39] REQUIREMENTS AND THAT ALL PARKING SPACES BE WITHIN 50 FEET OF AN ONSITE TREE.

[9:47] YES, THAT COVERS ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE AND SO

[9:53] THE OTHER ITEMS THAT -- THE OTHER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THAT --

[9:59] THEY HAVE DESIGNED THE LANDSCAPING TO BE AT AN ANGLE WITH THE PARKING LOT AND WE ARE

[10:06] RECOMMENDING THAT THEY DESIGN IT TO BE PARALLEL TO REALLY PROVIDE THAT SCREENING THAT IS REQUIRED.

[10:15] THAT IS ALL. THAT IS THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. SO THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS. THERE'S 9

[10:21] CONDITIONS ON THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. SO THOSE ARE THE APPLICATIONS THAT IS. THAT IS THE PROJECT. I WILL STAND FOR

[10:27] ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, HILARY. SO I WAS THE ONE WHO PULLED THIS SO THE ONES THAT I'M

[10:34] LOOKING AT IN PARTICULAR D AND

[10:39] E. SO FIRST, STARTING ON D, THE

[10:44] VARIANCE TO GO FROM 40 FEET TO 1,075 FEET ON WASHINGTON

[10:50] AVENUE -- THAT'S A REALLY LARGE VARIANCE. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE THEM TO MEET THAT? LIKE WOULD

[10:56] THAT JUST BE MORELAND ESCAPING ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE -- >> NO YOU'D LITERALLY TO HAVE

[11:01] CUT -- IT'S NO MORE THAN 40 FEET FRONTAGE -- SO YOU COULD HAVE 5 PARKING SPACES ALONG WASHINGTON

[11:06] AND YOU'D BE OUT OF -- YOU'D HIT YOUR MAXIMUM FRONTAGE SO YOU COULD MAYBE HAVE 5 PARKING

[11:13] SPACES HERE IF WE LIMIT IT TO THE 40 FEET WHICH IS NOT REASONABLE. >> UH-HUH.

[11:19] >> FOR THE NEED FOR THE CPAC. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW -- SO, YEAH,

[11:27] IF WE LIMIT IT TO 40 FEET ON DOWLING OR 40 FEET ON WASHINGTON, WE'D SEVERELY LIMIT -- IT ALLOWS ONE ROW OF

[11:33] PARKING AND A TWO-WAY DRIVE THAT'S HOW WE GET TO 40 FOR A

[11:38] TWO-WAY DRIVOUT, 215 OF PARKING SPACE SO -- AND THE COMMERCIAL

[11:44] DOWNTOWN -- I THINK THOSE ARE THE ZONING DISTRICTS -- LIKE YOU CAN'T HAVE A PARKING LOT WITH TWO ROWS OF PARKING. THAT'S NO

[11:50] LONGER ALLOWED. YOU CAN ON THIS HAVE ONE ROW OF PARKING AND A DRIVE AISLE, OTHERWISE, YOU

[11:56] EXCEED 40 FEET EVEN IF YOU MAKE THINGS COMPACT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THEM 15 HUH. YOU CAN'T GET THEM

[12:01] SO SMALL. >> SO ON THE OTHER SIDE IT'S ALLOWED BECAUSE -- WHY -- WHY IS

[12:07] THE LONGER SIDE ALLOWED? >> NO, NEITHER OF THESE SIDES ARE ALLOWED. >> OH, RIGHT --

[12:12] >> THE RECOLLECTIONS -- >> THAT'S ONLY 116 -- >> MAXIMUM ON 40 ON WASHINGTON.

[12:17] THEY HAVE 116 ON DOWLING AND 1,075 ON WASHINGTON AND IT REALLY IS -- >> I GUESS I'M MISSING WHY IT'S

[12:24] SO MUCH MORE ON WASHINGTON. >> JUST BECAUSE -- JUST THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE.

[12:29] >> OKAY. >> BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH LONGER. >> IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CLOSER THAN THAT. OKAY.

[12:37] SO FOR THE VARIANCE FINDINGS FOR THE CHALLENGES -- I

[12:42] MEAN, SO IT'S ABOUT A REGIONAL

[12:47] AMENITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT ARE THERE ANY VARIANCE FINDINGS

[12:55] THAT, YOU KNOW, JUSTIFY MAKING THIS A SURFACE LOT INSTEAD OF A STRUCTURED PARKING LOT -- AN

[13:01] UNSTRUCTURED GARAGE? >> THAT IS NOT THE REQUEST BEFORE US TO HAVE THE STRUCTURED

[13:08] GARAGE. I BELIEVE THE COST TO DO THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY PROHIBITIVE TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU. >> AND THEN ON E -- SO

[13:15] 70-SOMETHING OF THE SPOTS ARE FOR THE DROP-OFF --

[13:21] >> CORRECT. >> SO THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE REST OF IT IS THAT IT'S ONLY

[13:26] GOING TO BE USED 25 PERCENT OF THE YEAR THAT'S THE REASON? OKAY. >> CORRECT, AND 26 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL SPACES ARE FOR THAT

[13:33] RIDE-SHARE THAT WE'LL TURN OVER AND OVER. >> OKAY. AND THEN JUST FOR THE

[13:43] ETMP, YOU WENT OVER THIS, I WAS STRUCK THAT ONLY 1 PERCENT -- >> TRANSIT?

[13:48] >> HAS MET COUNCIL SAID ONCE THEY BUILD THIS -- >> NO ONE HAS MADE ANY PROMISES

[13:55] AS TO ANY FUTURE TRANSIT EXCEPT FOR WE WILL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE IT AS THINGS COME ONLINE AT

[14:02] UPPER HARBOR. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING COME UP ONLINE ON UPPER HARBOR. THE PARK -- THE

[14:08] PARK IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION I SHOULD NOT FORGET THE 20 ACRES OF PARKLAND THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT WILL OPEN NEXT SPRING. I BELIEVE THAT IS,

[14:15] LIKE, ANOTHER PARK BOARD. I BELIEVE IT'S NEXT SPRING --

[14:21] SPRING OF '26 IS WHEN THE PARK WILL OPEN AND THEN SPRING OF '27 IS WHEN THE CPAC WOULD OPEN SO

[14:27] WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD ON MOMENTUM AND ENERGY AND, YOU KNOW, EXCITEMENT HOPEFULLY,

[14:34] THEN. BUT, YEAH. >> THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

[14:41] COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. >> I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE I'M GRATEFUL YOU PULLED IT BECAUSE I KNOW THIS PROJECT VERY, VERY

[14:46] WELL IN THE LARGER SCOPE. >> UH-HUH >> AND I KNOW THIS PARTICLES VERY WELL -- PARCEL AND FOR MY

[14:52] COLLEAGUES JUST IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU HAVE WASHINGTON -- IT SPLITS AS BIG SOUTH TO 2ND

[14:58] THAT'S THE LITTLE V AT THE CORNER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND IT'S CURRENTLY LIKE A

[15:03] BRAMBLE MESS. IT'S NOT -- THERE'S NOTHING THERE AND IT DOES SIT ON A HILL. I'M JUST -- JUST TO BE

[15:10] CLEAR, THE CPAC -- IT SAYS APPLICANT IS THE PORT OF

[15:15] MINNEAPOLIS IS THIS TO BE DONE WITH THE FIRST -- >> PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS IS FIRST AVENUE. PRODUCTIONS AND THE

[15:21] MINNESOTA ORCHESTRA. >> OKAY. >> THEY ARE PART OF MINNEAPOLIS

[15:26] TOGETHER. AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE DOING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER. THEY WILL BOTH BE USING THE CPAC.

[15:31] >> THANK YOU. >> UH-HUH. >> I WILL ATTEST AGAIN TO MY COLLEAGUES. THIS JUST -- IT'S

[15:37] INDUSTRIAL REMOTE AREA. THERE'S

[15:42] NO UNTIL A BIKE LANE WAS STRIPED 10 YEARS AGO AND THEN THEY FINALLY PROTECTED IT A LITTLE BIT. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST

[15:49] TREMENDOUS -- AND I SAY THAT WITH SHEER TERROR BIKE RIDES

[15:54] YOU'D EVER TAKE BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY USE TRUCKS THAT GO DOWN TO WASHINGTON TO GET TO THIS SITE.

[16:01] SO I SUPPORT THIS AND I HOPE PEOPLE WOULD SUPPORT IT TOO. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION,

[16:06] THOUGH, IS THERE ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC IMPACT BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY ACCESS POINTS TO NORTH MINNEAPOLIS

[16:13] CROSSING THE BRIDGE. >> UH-HUH. >> AND THERE IS, OF COURSE, AN EXIT FROM 94 ARE TRYING TO.

[16:18] >> UH-HUH. >> IF YOU KEEP GOING, YOU BASICALLY ARE IN THE SUBURBS IF YOU DON'T GET OFF HERE. DO WE

[16:24] HAVE ANY SORT OF STUDY ON IT. IT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE MY TIME BUT I'D THOUGHT I'D ASK. >> YEAH, FOR THE LARGER -- SO

[16:30] THE 53-ACRE DEVELOPMENT NEEDED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND WE DID

[16:36] A TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE 53 ACRES WITH ALL THE PROJECTED USES. THE CPAC

[16:44] ALWAYS NEEDED AN EVENT TRANSPORTATION PLAN THIS IS SIMILAR WHAT WE DID FOR TARGET CENTER, U.S. BANK

[16:51] STADIUM -- YOU KNOW, ALL THE MAJOR THINGS LIKE THIS -- WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY HAVE EVENT

[16:57] MANAGEMENT PLANS AND SO AGAIN, IT WILL BE WRITTEN AND REFINED

[17:03] AS EVENTS HAPPEN BUT THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC CONTROL AGENTS OUT

[17:09] THERE ON EVENT DAYS HELPING WITH THE TRAFFIC AND SO WE DON'T MODEL IT BECAUSE YOU JUST THAT CAN'T PREDICT -- >> YEAH.

[17:15] >> HOW EVERYONE IS GOING TO COME BUT WE CAN PUT IN IT ALL OF

[17:20] THESE MEANS OF HOW TO GET TO THE VENUE AND -- WHAT WAS I GOING TO

[17:32] SAY. HOW TO GET TO THE VENUE AND WE WILL MONITOR AS IT GOES. IF WE HAVE STANDING TRAFFIC AT

[17:38] DOWLING AND WASHINGTON, AND WE NEED MORE TRAFFIC COLOMBIA AGENTS, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. WE'LL PIVOT. WE'LL PIVOT

[17:46] BECAUSE IT HAS IT HAS TO WORK. WE CAN'T HAVE IT FAIL EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN EVENT BECAUSE PEOPLE

[17:54] WON'T COME AND SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO REFINE. I KNOW THIS IS, LIKE, TAKING A LOPE OF FAITH. TRUST ME, IT'S A LEAP OF

[18:01] FAITH BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EVENT TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK; RIGHT? AND WHAT DOES AND DOESN'T WORK

[18:07] AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED OR MODIFIED AND WHATNOT. IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG

[18:12] PROJECT. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. IT PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL BE UNTIL WE GET TO THE LAST DEVELOPMENT WHERE NOTHING IS RELYING ON IT.

[18:20] (LAUGH.) >> BUT UNTIL THAT POINT, IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG KIND OF HAVE TO

[18:27] BE -- THINGS HAVE TO KIND OF PEOPLE -- TEST THEM OUT IF THAT

[18:32] MAKES SENSE. >> IT ABSOLUTELY DOES. WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS AT THE

[18:38] PARK BOARD AND I KNOW FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT HATS -- THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS AND PEOPLE REALLY

[18:44] WORRY ABOUT SURFACE PARKING. THIS LOT IS NOT A BUILDAABLE LOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT'S

[18:50] JUST A WEIRD STRETCH ABUTTING THE FREEWAY AND IF IT HELPS AID THE SUCCESS OF THAT NORTH

[18:57] MINNEAPOLIS VENUE THEN I'D ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT IT AND I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES DO TOO. THANK

[19:04] YOU. >> I NEED TO COMMISSIONERS IT'S A DIGITAL PROCEEDING WE CAN'T TAKE A POSITION UNTIL AFTER THE

[19:11] HEARING CONCLUDES SO WE CAN'T START THE HEARING. >> SORRY. THANK YOU.

[19:17] >> COMMISSIONER CONLEY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THE 75 PERCENT OF THE TIME THE PARKING

[19:23] LOT WILL NOT BE USED. AM I GETTING THAT; RIGHT? >> UH-HUH. >> SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE 287

[19:30] SPOTS WILL BE UTILIZED 25 PERCENT OF THE TIME. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER 75? IT

[19:35] JUST REMAINS GATED OFF? CAN COMMUNITY USE IT? THAT THAT

[19:41] JUST STANDS OUT OF A LOT OF TIME OF JUST SITTING. >> UH-HUH. >> THANK YOU.

[19:50] >> YES. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF

[20:02] ZOOM IN TO IT A LITTLE BIT. SO THERE IS THE POTENTIAL

[20:09] FOR PARCEL 6A, WHICH IS SITTING RIGHT HERE -- IT'S A MIXED USE

[20:14] HOUSING PROJECT. IT'S APPLIED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST

[20:19] FUND AND IT HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THOSE DOLLARS. ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT

[20:25] CAME BACK ON THE LAST ROUND WAS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING

[20:31] IN THAT DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM DID AND WHAT THAT MEANT IS THEY WOULD USE SOME OF THE PAID

[20:38] PARKING ON NONEVENT DAYS IF THAT PROJECT EVER MOVES FORWARD.

[20:44] I DIDN'T GET INTO THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AND WHAT-IFS AND I DIDN'T WANTH TO CONFUSE YOU

[20:49] BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF CONFUSING ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE

[20:54] BIGGER HISTORY; RIGHT? AND SO THERE IS POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE THAT THESE PARKING SPACES WILL

[21:00] BE USED ON A DAILY BASIS BY THOSE WHO LIVE IN 6B -- 6A,

[21:07] EXCUSE ME, NORTHERN LOT. SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL -- LIKE, IF

[21:14] THIS PROJECT HAPPENS, THAT THAT THIS -- AND THERE'S COMMERCIAL IN HERE NOT A LOT BUT THERE IS

[21:20] SOME COMMERCIAL IN HERE TOO THAT THIS PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE -- NOT THE SOUTHERN

[21:27] RIDE-SHARE IS -- IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE RIDE-SHARE PARKING BUT

[21:32] THIS NORTHERN HALF COULD BE USED BY 6A RESIDENTS OR TENANTS IN THE FUTURE BUT AGAIN I DID NOT

[21:39] WANT TO GET INTO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.

[21:45] >> SORRY. >> CAN I ALSO JUST COMPLETE THAT THOUGHT -- YOU KNOW, THESE ARE -- ALL OF THE LAND BE EXCEPT

[21:51] THE 20 ACRES OF PARKLAND ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND WE WILL MAINTAIN THE -- THE CITY WILL MAINTAIN AND SO IT'S

[22:01] 99-YEAR LEASES SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALL LEGAL DOCUMENTS THAT TOGETHER WITH THE GROUND LEASE

[22:08] AND EXCLUSIVE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND WHAT THE MINIMUM IMPROVEMENTS ARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND SO THE CITY'S

[22:13] ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS WORKING WITH PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS TO DEVELOP ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS FOR THIS SITE. IF IN THE FUTURE 6A

[22:21] HAPPENS AND THEY NEED OR WANT SOME OF OF THAT PARKING, ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS, LEASE LEGAL DOCUMENTS WILL GET REVISES TO

[22:28] ADD NEW USER OF THE SITE, SO THE CITY IS A LANDOWNER FOR LEASING

[22:36] AND WILL HAVE TO REVISE THINGS IF THERE'S A NEW LEASE HOLDER FOR THOSE SPACES ON NONEVENT

[22:42] DAYS. >> UH-HUH. >> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. >> IT DOES. I WAS JUST GOING TO

[22:48] FOLLOW UP WITH -- THAT'S STILL A LOT OF IF SO IF THE CITY IS THE OWNER, THEN I GUESS WOULD STATE

[22:57] NO RAIN SOME CONSIDERATION OF, WHAT -- WHAT ELSE -- YOU KNOW PLAN B, PLAN C, YOU KNOW, FOR 75

[23:03] PERCENT OF THE TIME WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER JONES?

[23:09] >> YEAH. JUST FOLLOWING UP SO

[23:15] THERE'S A PARK BEING BUILT AND HOW CLOSE ISPARK TO THOSE PARKI

[23:22] AREAS SO THAT IF PEOPLE WANTED TO USE THAT PARKING WHILING THE

[23:28] BUILDOUT -- >> EVERYTHING IS PARKLAND ON THE

[23:33] RIVERSIDE WITH THE LARGEST BODY OF THE PARK WHERE THE RELICS RADIO.

[23:38] >> THAT'S MY POINT THE USE OF POINT OF THAT SPACE JUST IN

[23:44] TERMS OF THE PARK. >> YEAH, THEY HAVE SOME 20

[23:51] SPACES ON THEIR SITE AND 20 SUBSPACES -- SO COULD THE

[23:56] PARKING LOT COULD BE USED FOR EVENTS ON THE PARK BUT OUR ATTORNEYS AND THEIR ATTORNEYS WILL HAVE TO TALK AND MAKE THOSE

[24:02] AGREEMENTS BECAUSE THE PARK BOARD HAS TO ENTER THAT ONE. THE CITY, THE PARK BOARD --

[24:07] EVERYONE HAS TO SIGN OFF AND REVIEW AND APPROVE AND MODIFY;

[24:13] RIGHT? SO I THINK ALL OF THESE ARE POSSIBLE OPTIONS. I JUST DON'T THINK ANYONE IS GOING TO

[24:20] GIVE THE PARKING LOT USE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WITH A -- WHO THE USER IS WHEN THEY WILL

[24:26] BE OPEN, HOW THEY WILL USE IT. I THINK WHEN THINGS START HAPPENING, WE'LL START LOOKING

[24:32] AT THOSE AGREEMENTS, YOU KNOW, TO USE THEM 'CAUSE, YES, I DON'T THINK ANYONE BELIEVES THAT THE

[24:37] PARKING LOT SITTING THERE FOR 75 PERCENT OF THE TIME IS A GOOD THING. BUT IT IS A GOOD I THINK

[24:43] THIS ON THE 25 PERCENT ON THE DAYS THAT WE NEED IT, AND SO I THINK -- YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE

[24:49] FIELD OF DREAMING. (LAUGH.) >> WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IT AND WE'RE GOING TO HOPE IT ALL WORKS

[24:55] OUT. >> COMMISSIONER GORDON? >> YEAH, JUST A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

[25:01] THE ACCESSIBLE STALLS ARE POSITIONED MID-SITE RATHER THAN

[25:06] NORTH OF THE SITE DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT YOU MENTIONED. >> YES.

[25:11] >> HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION DUE TO THE ACCESSIBILITY ROUTE TO ANY DROP-OFF AREAS SO THAT PEOPLE

[25:18] ARE NOT GOING A THIRD OF A MILE AND -- >> SO ADA ACCESSIBLE PARKING

[25:23] WILL ALSO TAKE PLACE HERE. YES,

[25:29] SORRY, I'M JUST MAKING SURE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND EMAILS ABOUT THE PROJECT. I'M JUST MAKING SURE I HAVE THE MOST RECENT --

[25:36] IS THAT THERE'LL BE TRAFFIC CONTROL AGENTS AND THE -- IF YOU

[25:45] NEED -- IF YOU HAVE ACCESSIBILITY NEEDS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO COME DOWN DOWLING -- THE

[25:51] PARKWAY, DROP GUESTS OFF AND THEN IF -- AND THEN GO BACK AND

[25:58] PARK IN THAT LOT IN THE PAID PARKING SPOTS SO THERE ARE SOME SPOTS FOR ADA IN THERE CARVED

[26:04] OUT BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY SPOTS ON THE CPAC SITE.

[26:09] >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER BAXLEY. >> QUICK QUESTION, THANKS

[26:16] HILARY. I THINK THIS IS INTERESTING USE HERE. MY GUESS IS THE TOPOGRAPHY WORK WE'LL PROBABLY SEE A LOT MORE PARKING

[26:21] HERE BECAUSE I IMAGINE WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT. BUT SINCE THIS IS A BIT

[26:27] EXPERIMENTAL, COULD YOU TALK AGAIN ABOUT WHY YOU WANT -- THE LANDSCAPE SCREENING GO MORE

[26:34] WALL-LIKE AS OPPOSED TO THIS WHICH LOOKS A LOT MORE INTERESTING AND POTENTIALLY -- >> YEAH, AND -- JUST A LITTLE

[26:43] MORE PARALLEL JUST BECAUSE IT'S -- I GUESS IT'S -- HOW AM I TRYING TO SAY IT. IT'S NOT

[26:49] COMPLETELY SCREENED, RIGHT, WHEN YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE ROWS OF LANDSCAPE AND SO TRYING TO JUST

[26:54] MAKE THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARALLEL, WILLING TO WORK WITH THEIR LANDSCAPE DESIGNERS -- >> OKAY. >> TO ALLOW SOME CREATIVE --

[27:03] 'CAUSE I AGREE. OUR CODE IS SPECIFIC, 3 FOOT SCREEN. I CAN WORK WITH THEM TO ALLOW SOME OF

[27:09] THESE CREATIVITY OR FLEXIBILITY BUT STILL GET IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SCREENED AND THEY DO

[27:16] RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME GAPS HERE WHERE THERE AREN'T SHRUBS AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN

[27:21] DISCUSSING CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

[27:27] >> YEAH, I THINK I WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE UNIQUE SITUATION TO TRY SOME UNIQUE SOLUTIONS FOR THE CITY AND YOU

[27:32] SAY TOO. COULD YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THE LIGHTING WORKS ON THIS SO IS

[27:38] APPARENTLY -- I'M ASSUME ASSUMING THIS IS GOING TO BE A LIT LOT AND WHEN IT'S NOT BEING

[27:44] USES ARE THE LIGHTS ON OR STAY DARK? >> THAT IS QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANTS TO ANSWER.

[27:50] PALE ACTUALLY, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PARKING LOT LIGHTS IN HERE AND THEN THERE ARE LIGHTS IN THE

[27:57] TREES AND SO I THINK -- LET'S ASK THE APPLICANT THAT QUESTION.

[28:03] >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON. >> COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD? >> I HAVE A QUICK ONE, AND THANK

[28:08] YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THE EV CHARGING VARIANCE IS ONLY ON

[28:14] THE CPAC PARKING IS THAT TRUE WELL, VARIANCES RUN WITH THE PROPERTY. NOW, IF THE USE

[28:20] CHANGED WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A NEW EV CHARGING REQUIREMENT MOST LIKELY AND SO IT WOULD --

[28:27] SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE MIGHT TRIGGER ITS OWN REQUIREMENT. >> THIS IS A FOLLOW-ON TO THE

[28:33] FUTURE BECAUSE I'M PRESUMING THIS WAS NOT A RECOVERABLE COST SO THAT'S WHY THE VARIANCE WAS

[28:39] SOUGHT; CORRECT? >> UH-HUH. >> SO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS AREA WERE TO -- WERE TO USE THIS PARKING LOT, IS THERE SOME

[28:46] MECHANISM BY WHICH WE COULD THEN REQUIRE THE ADDITION OF THOSE EV

[28:51] CHARGING STATIONS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE? >> I MEAN, ONCE GRANTED I DON'T

[28:56] THINK WE CAN COMPEL THEM. -- I MEAN, WE COULD ASK THEM TO BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE THEM --

[29:02] PUT THEM IN THE FUTURE ONCE THE VARIANCE IS APPROVED. UNLESS

[29:08] SOMETHING NEW COMES AND THE REQUIREMENT IS DIFFERENT BUT -- >> OKAY. >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A BIGGER

[29:14] SURFACE PARKING LOT, I THINK, TO HAVE A BIGGER PARKING LOT REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IF THIS WAS A RAMP, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE

[29:20] EV REQUIREMENT. IT'S JUST FOR THE FOR THE SURFACE LOT.

[29:26] >> AND IF I MAY ADD TO THAT THE CODE REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY STATES NEWLY ESTABLISHED SURFACE

[29:34] PARKING LOTS FOR THE EV PARKING LOTS SO ONCE ESTABLISHED -- >> SO THIS IS THE CHANCE TO DO IT OR NOT. >> CORRECT.

[29:39] >> IF WE WERE TO APPLY IT TO THE 213 NONRIDE-SHARE SPOTS WE'RE

[29:45] TALKING ABOUT 11 SPOTS? IF MY MATH IS CORRECT. >> YOU'RE ANTICIPATING WHERE I

[29:50] WAS GOING WITH IT. >> YEAH, I WAS AN ENGLISH MAJOR SO CHECK MY MATH.

[29:55] >> I CAME UP WITH 10.39. >> YEAH, YOU GET TO ROUND UP. >> YOU ROUND DOWN IN OUR ZONING

[30:04] CODES. (LAUGH.) .5 AND HIGHER HIGHER YOU CAN UP .4 YOU GO DOWN.

[30:11] SORRY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING DO WE HAVE THE

[30:17] APPLICANT WITH US TODAY. YOU

[30:24] CAN COME UP IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF, AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE ANY PRESENTATION, YOU CAN

[30:31] BUT EVEN IF YOU DON'T I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> I DIDN'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS. I'M SORRY I'M ALAN

[30:36] TUCKER. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE APPLICANT. >> NO, I'M NOT THE APPLICANT. >> I'M SORRY IS THE APPLICANT HERE?

[30:43] >> I'M SORRY. >> HELLO COMMISSIONERS. I CAN

[30:48] SPEAK TO THE LIGHTING COMMENT. SO THERE'S A MIXTURE -- LET ME

[30:53] PULL UP THE LIGHTING PLAN HERE.

[31:05] >> THIS IS THE ONLY ONE I HAVE. >> THERE'S A MIXTURE OF 35 FOOT

[31:10] HEIGHT POLES FOR LIGHTING -- LIGHTING FOR THE PARKING AREAS AND THEN THERE'S SOME 25 FOOT

[31:16] POLES KIND OF AROUND THE PERIMETER AND ADDITIONAL TO THAT ALONG THE 9 FOOT PARKING LOT

[31:23] ALONG WASHINGTON THERE'S SOME UPLIGHTING ON THE TREES SO WE THINK THAT'LL BE HELPFUL EVENTS

[31:29] GET OUT LATE, PASSENGERS GET

[31:35] OUT -- I DON'T THINK WE'RE NOT EXACTLY CLEAR WHAT HOURS WOULD BE IN USE. I THINK IF THERE'S A PREFERENCE TO HAVE THEM ON ALL

[31:41] THE TIME OR ON LESS, THEY'D BE

[31:46] OPEN TO WHATEVER IS BEST FOR THE AREA. >> DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LIGHTING

[31:53] COMMISSIONER BAXLEY? ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.

[31:58] THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN COME UP NOW.

[32:05] >> SORRY.

[32:12] >> I'M ALAN TUCKER. I OWN THE -- BASICALLY THE WEDGE ON 2ND TO WASHINGTON WHERE THE BOAT

[32:19] PLACE IS. ONE IS THE INTERSECTION DOWN THERE RIGHT

[32:24] NOW IS ALREADY OVERCROWDED. IT BACKS UP A COUPLE BLOCKS SOME

[32:29] DAYS. I'M WORRIED ABOUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS ANY TIME THERE'S AN EVENT OR NEAR AN

[32:36] EVENT, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO THE PAID PARKING THEY'RE GOING TO BLOCK UP AND DOWN THE STREET WHERE I AND MY CUSTOMERS

[32:41] PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE A NON -- NO EVENT PARKING AREA IN THAT AREA

[32:47] OR WHATEVER ELSE BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE DROPPING OFF BOATS ALL

[32:52] THE TIME AND I'M WORRIED THAT IF IT HAS AN EVENT -- INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE PAID PARKING

[32:57] THEY'RE GOING TO PARK ALL THE WAY UP WASHINGTON AND 2ND

[33:04] STREET. HAD BUT, OTHERWISE, THE INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW, THEY DID I'D SAY A POOR JOB OF PUTTING

[33:11] THAT BIKE PATH ON DOWLING. NOBODY USES IT. IT'S TOO STEEP. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TRIED --

[33:18] EVEN THE BANK BIKE PEOPLE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE OTHER END.

[33:24] BUT IT BACKS UP FOR BLOCKS NOW AND I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE IS GOING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT

[33:30] PARKING LOT UNLESS THEY HAVE OFFICERS TO LET THEM IN AND OUT. SO THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SAY.

[33:35] THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY? ALL RIGHT.

[33:41] I'M NOT SEEING ANY SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

[33:46] FIRST I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE PARKING OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S NOT BALANCED COMMISSION'S

[33:53] PURVIEW TO BE ABLE TO IMPOSE ANY REGULATIONS ON STREETS OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT SO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ABLE TO DO

[33:59] TODAY. WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION THAT IS IN FRONT OF US SO THAT'S SOMETHING

[34:05] WE CAN'T DO. I'LL SAY WHERE I'M AT ON THINGS -- COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD

[34:12] ANTICIPATED ME IN THAT I THINK

[34:17] THE DROP-OFF JUSTIFICATION MAKES COMPLETE SENSE FOR THE VARIANCE ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES BUT I DON'T

[34:24] THINK THAT WE SHOULD EXUDE IT ENTIRELY SO MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE

[34:29] TO DO A VARIANCE IN LIEU TO GIVE THEM A VARIANCE TO GO DOWN TO 10

[34:38] ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS WHICH WOULD CORRESPOND TO THE 213

[34:45] VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO BE A REGULAR PARKING LOT.

[34:50] AND THEN FOR THE OTHER

[34:56] VARIANCE, D, I ACCEPT THE LOGIC THAT PARKING IS NEEDED AT THE

[35:05] SITE, YOU KNOW, FOR A REGIONAL AMENITY LIKE THIS BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN A STRUCTURED LOT.

[35:10] THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT. THIS REQUIREMENT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN NEVER HAVE MORE THAN 100 PARKING SPOTS.

[35:18] WHEN YOU HAVE SO MUCH PARKING DEMAND THEN WE SHOULD PUT IT IN A AT THAT STRUCTURED SITE SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF

[35:29] PERMEABLE SURFACE AND -- AND THE POLLUTION INTO THE NEARBY PARKING RER AND ALL THE OTHER

[35:36] ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS. THAT COME WITH SURFACE PARKING LOTS SO I

[35:41] HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE OTHER -- TO THE LAND

[35:47] ACQUAINTANCE OR VARIANCE F. MY

[35:52] PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO -- TO MODIFY VARIANCE E LIKE I STATED

[36:00] AND TO DENY ONLY PART OF VARIANCE D. ONLY THE -- THE 100

[36:11] PART AND I WOULDN'T -- WOULDN'T PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE OTHER PART. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AND

[36:18] WE'LL SEE WHERE -- >> SO CHAIR MEYER, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOUR RECOMMENDED MOTION

[36:25] VARIANCE D WOULD ESSENTIALLY LIMIT THIS SITE TO 100 SURFACE PARKING STALLS SO THEN VARIANCE

[36:31] E SHOULD BE CALCULATED BASED ON A MAXIMUM OF 100 PARKING STALLS. >> OH, RIGHT.

[36:37] >> IF THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GOING TO GRANT THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS OFF THE TOP

[36:42] OF MY HEAD BUT I CAN CALCULATE IT. >> OKAY. YEAH, LET'S SEE WHERE

[36:48] OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE AT AND DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY THAT

[36:56] GOES, WE CAN MAKE THAT MODIFICATION. OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER JONES?

[37:02] >> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND AND I AGREE WITH YOU. COMMISSIONER,

[37:10] THAT THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR A STRUCTURED PARKING AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S COST-PROHIBITIVE

[37:16] AND IT'S GOING FORWARD AND EVEN NOW THE PARKING CALCULATION WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS GOING TO

[37:23] BE TIGHT FOR THAT REGIONAL 8200

[37:29] SPACE THEATER SO -- BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT BEHIND,

[37:36] YOU KNOW, MAKING -- YOU KNOW, BUILDING UP, RIGHT, AND BUILDING STRUCTURED LOTS. I JUST DON'T

[37:41] KNOW HOW TO INCENTIVIZE IT BUT AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE STAFF

[37:47] RECOMMENDATIONS ON ALL OF THE -- ALL OF THE ITEMS AHEAD OF US.

[37:53] >> OKAY. OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON? >> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR MEYER. I TOO WILL SUPPORT THE STAFF

[38:01] RECOMMENDATIONS AND FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO THANK MR. TURK FOR COMING DOWN HERE. I -- TUCKER FOR COMING DOWN HERE. I

[38:08] COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I'M ALSO PART OF THOSE BACKUPS WHEN THEY OCCUR THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF THERE WAS

[38:14] A TRAFFIC STUDY AND I GET -- FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW THIS PROJECT AS WELL IT'S AN

[38:20] INCREDIBLE COBBLED TOGETHER RAY OF HOPE WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS TRYING TO GET IT PUT TOGETHER IN THE HOPES THAT

[38:26] IT -- THAT IT IS SOMETHING GREAT; RIGHT? AND IT HAS BEEN VERY CHALLENGING BUT I'LL JUST

[38:35] SAY -- I MEAN, AS -- AS -- AS FELLOW SAID, THE IDEA OF AN

[38:45] 8200 -- IF THIS PERSON EVENT CENTER AND ONLY 200 OR SOMETHING SPOTS -- WHAT ARE WE LOOKED AT,

[38:50] SORRY -- WHAT ARE WE LOOKED AT, SORRY. 287. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE UP THERE. IT'S ALL

[38:55] INDUSTRIALIZED AT THE PRESENT THERE'S ONLY STREET PARKING. THERE IS A VERY -- NOT VERY HIGHLY USED BIKE LANE. THERE IS

[39:03] A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS ON A WING AND A PRAYER HOPING THAT IT COMES HERE AND I WOULD HATE FOR US TO NOT BE PART OF THAT VISION

[39:08] SO, YES, I SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M GOING TO GUESS THEY WOULDN'T THAT EVEN

[39:14] WANT ONE FOR AS LITTLE AS 100 SPACES. THANKS.

[39:19] >> OTHER COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. SO MY PROPOSED ORDER OF

[39:24] OPERATIONS HERE WOULD BE THAT

[39:30] WE -- THAT WE TAKE A VOTE ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR D IF

[39:36] THAT DOESN'T PASS THEN I WOULD PROPOSE MY ALTERNATIVE MOTION

[39:43] WHICH WOULD LIMIT IT TO 100 PARKING SPOTS. AND THEN

[39:49] DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION WE GO FROM THERE THEN WE WOULD TAKE ON ITEM E AND WE COULD HAVE

[39:55] WHATEVER PERCENTAGE COMES OUT OF THE VOTE OUTCOME FROM ITEM D AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THE REST OF

[40:00] THE ITEMS THAT. IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT ORDER OF OPERATION? OKAY. SO I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR D

[40:07] BUT FOR ONE OF THE TWO THAT WE SPOKE FOR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR

[40:12] VARIANCE D? (SPEAKER NOT MIC'D.) >> VARIANCE D. >> AND I WILL SECOND THAT.

[40:19] >> ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND ON VARIANCE D. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? GREAT, CLERK PLEASE

[40:27] TAKE THE ROLE -- TAKL -- TAKE T

[40:49] >> SO WE HAVE 8 AYES AND 1 NAY. >> ALL RIGHT. SO FOR ITEM E, I

[40:56] WOULD PROPOSE A VARIANCE IN LIEU TO ALLOW -- TO STILL REQUIRE 10

[41:04] SPOTS. SHOULD I ADD ANYTHING TO THAT TO WORD IT RIGHT KIMBERLY. >> SO I BELIEVE THE MOTION WOULD

[41:11] BE TO DENY THE VARIANCE AS PROPOSED AND IN LIEU THEREOF GRANT VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE

[41:17] REQUIRED AMOUNT OF EV CHARGING STATIONS FROM 14 TO 10. >> YES.

[41:23] >> OKAY. >> POINT OF CLARIFICATION. WE'RE NOT -- SO JUST THE VOTE -- WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS EXACTLY

[41:29] WHAT WAS SAID AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, SO UP OR DOWN ON 10? >> YEAH. >> EV STATIONS.

[41:34] >> YES. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR WHAT KIMBERLY

[41:41] JUST SAID. IS THERE ANY SECOND -- >> WAIT, SORRY, POINT OF CLARIFICATION AS WELL, CHAIR.

[41:46] SO YOU'RE SAYING FROM 14 TO 10 OR JUST 10?

[41:53] >> SO I BELIEVE THE MOTION WOULD BE TO REQUIRE 10 EV CHARGING

[42:01] STATIONS BUT REQUIRED IT WOULD BE A VARIANCE TO REDUCE FROM 14 TO 10. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A VIRULENCE TO REDUCE

[42:07] FROM -- VARIANCE FROM 14 TO 0. >> OH, OKAY. >> STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS 0.

[42:13] THE MOTION I'VE JUST MENTIONED AND CONLEY WROTE MAKE IT 10. >> GOT IT.

[42:20] >> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION -- COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD, YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT ON? OKAY.

[42:25] ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. (ROLL CALL.)

[42:57] >> SO WE HAVE 6 AYES AND 3 NAYS.

[43:02] >> SO THAT MOTION IS ADOPTED, AND NOW I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEMS A, B, C, F AND G.

[43:10] >> I'LL MOVE A, B, C, D, F AND G TOGETHER. >> NOT D.

[43:16] >> OR SORRY, A, B, C, F AND G.

[43:23] THAT'S HOW YOU SAY IT. >> ANY SECOND? ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[43:29] >> OPPOSED. >> THAT IS ADOPTED AND GOOD LUCK ON YOUR PROJECT. NEXT, 6, ROYALSTON STAFF IS

[43:42] NICHOLAS OUELLETT.

[44:04] >> MY NAME NICHOLAS OUELLETT I'M A CITY PLANNER WITH ZONING ADMINISTRATION. FOR YOU TODAY

[44:12] IS ITEM NO. 6. THE PROJECT IS TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF PARKING

[44:17] STALLS ON THE SITE. FOR THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW

[44:23] FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE ACCESSORY PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN PARKING OVERLAY DISTRICT. A VARIANCE TO

[44:28] INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ALLOWED IN THE DOWNTOWN PARKING OVERLAY DISTRICT AND A VARIANCE TO

[44:35] INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ALLOWED FOR A COMMERCIAL AND RECREATION ASSEMBLY USE FROM 39 TO 80.

[44:44] THE SITE IS A LITTLE MORE

[44:49] THAN 92 -- 92,000 SQUARE FEET IN AREA REQUEST FRONTAGE AROUND ROYALSTON AVENUE NORTH TO THE

[44:54] EAST AND BORDER AVENUE NORTH TO THE WEST. ACCESS IS PROVIDED FROM ROYALSTON AVENUE NORTH.

[45:00] THE WEST END IS ELEVATED ABOVE BORDER AVENUE NORTH BY APPROXIMATELY 10 FOOT RETAINING

[45:06] WALL WITH NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SITE AND BORDER AVENUE. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS VACANT AND THE APPLICANT IS IN

[45:12] THE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING A FILING WAREHOUSE WHICH IS AN

[45:17] INDOOR RECREATION AREA TYPE USE. THE EXISTING PARKING AREA ON THE SITE IS 70 STALLS AND A SMALLER

[45:26] SURFACE LOT TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF PARKING

[45:31] STALLS BY RESTRIPING THE EXISTING PAVED AREA IN A MORE EFFICIENT LAYOUT. THERE WILL NOBODY EXPANSION OF PAYMENT WITH

[45:38] THIS PROJECT. THE RESTRIPING PROJECT WILL YIELD YELLED 10 ADDITIONAL

[45:43] STALLS FOR A TOTAL OF 20 PARKING STALLS. THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED PARKING EXCEEDS THE

[45:49] PROPOSED PARKING FOR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED INDOOR RECREATION USE WHICH RESTRICTS

[45:55] THE MAXIMUM PARKING FOR ONE SPACE OF 1,000 FEET GROSS AREA.

[46:02] BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE 39 STALLS. WITH RESPECT TO THE

[46:07] FINDINGS REQUIRED FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL, THE ESTABLISHED OF 10 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE WILL

[46:13] NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH PUBLIC SAFETY, COMFORT OR GENERAL WELFARE. STAFF HAS

[46:19] INCLUDED A CONDITION REQUIRING THE PROPOSAL TO COMPLY WITH DISTANCE TO TREES PARKING

[46:24] REQUIREMENTS WHERE NO PARKING SPACE SHALL BE LOCATED MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM AN ONSITE DECIDUOUS

[46:30] TREE. STAFF FINDS THERE'S ADEQUATE SPACE IN THE WEST PARKING AREA TO ALLOW FOR THE ADDITION OF LANDSCAPE TREE

[46:37] ISLANDS. THE ADDITION OF 10 PARKING SPACES FOR 80 TOTAL PARKING SPACES WILL NOT NEGATIVELY

[46:42] IMPACT THE USE, ENJOYMENT OR ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AND THE

[46:48] ADDITION OF 10 SPACES WILL NOT ALTER HOW THIS SITE OPERATES. ADEQUATE UTILITIES AND

[46:53] ACCESS ARE EXISTING. IT WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY AN INCREASE OF THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS.

[46:59] ADEQUATE MEASURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO ENSURE A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE INTERFACE WITH THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE

[47:06] PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND APPROVAL IN WHICH PUBLIC

[47:12] WORKS HAS REVIEWED AND SIGNED OFF ON THE PROPOSAL. WITH THE ADOPTION OF STAFF

[47:19] RECOMMENDATION CONTINUE ON APPROVAL THE PROPOSED WOULD BE CONSISTENT OF MITIGATING THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS IT OF SURFACE

[47:25] PARKING LOTS WITH URBAN HEAT ISLANDS THROUGH THE ADDED LANDSCAPING. IF REQUESTED THE LAND USE

[47:30] APPLICATIONS ARE APPROVED, THE PROPOSAL WILL COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE DISTRICT IN WHICH IT IS LOCATED.

[47:36] WITH RESPECT TO THE VARIANCES TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ALLOWED IN THE DOWNTOWN PARKING

[47:42] OVERLAY DISTRICT AND FOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION AND ASSEMBLY USES, CHALLENGES EXISTS

[47:48] IN COMPLIANCE OF THE ORDINANCES WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY

[47:55] ZONED I2 MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND USED FOR INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES. AND CURRENTLY MAINTAINS A

[48:01] NONCONFORMING RIGHTS TO 70 PARKING STALLS. THE SURFACE PARKING LOT WAS CONFIGURED TO ACCOMMODATE LARGE

[48:06] INDUSTRIAL VEHICLES AND WAS ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO THE SITE BEING REZONED, DT1 DOWNTOWN

[48:13] CENTER DISTRICT AND DOWNTOWN CENTER LAY DUE. RECONFIGURING THE SITE TO

[48:20] ACCOMMODATE PASSENGER VEHICLES IN LIEU OF TRUCKS RESULTS IN A MORE EFFICIENT LAYOUT WITH

[48:25] SMALLER DRIVE AISLES AND RESULTS IN AN INCREASED NUMBER OF STALLS. ADDITIONALLY THE WEST END OF THE SITE IS ELEVATED WHICH

[48:32] SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITS WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THIS PORTION OF THE SITE WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE

[48:37] RETAINING WALL. THE CHANGE IN IT USE FROM TRUCK PARKING TO PASSENGER

[48:43] PARKING -- PASSENGER VEHICLE PARKING ON THE WEST RETAINING WALL ON THE END ARE CIRCUMSTANCES UNIQUE TO THE SITE

[48:49] AND NOT CREATED BY THE APPLICANT. THE REQUEST TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS WITHIN

[48:54] THE EXISTING PARKING AREA ISN'T REASONABLE AND IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE

[48:59] ORDINANCE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS CONDITION TREE ISLANDS WILL BE REQUIRED TO NO TO PARKING SPACES SHALL BE LOCATED MORE

[49:05] THAN 50 FEET FROM AN ONSITE DECIDUOUS TREE WHICH WILL MINIMIZE THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND

[49:11] TO SURFACE PARKING LOTS. THE PROPOSED VARIANCES WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE LOCALITY OF BE

[49:18] INJURIOUS TO THE USE OR ENJOYMENT OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THE IT'S CONSISTENT

[49:25] WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WHICH WERE ORIGINALLY PROTECTED FOR INDUSTRIAL USES. WITH THAT

[49:31] STAFF REMAINS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND VARIANCES WITH CONDITIONS TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF AN ACCESSORY LOT.

[49:38] THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY >> THANK YOU, NICK. IS THERE

[49:46] ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC NOT SEEING ANY I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THE APPLICANT HERE WHEN YOU SAY GO AHEAD AND

[49:52] INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GO AHEAD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. >> GOOD EVENING. OH, I GUESS I GET UP HERE I'M CHRIS

[50:01] CUNNINGHAM. THIS IS ANDREW CUNNINGHAM HELLO. HE'S MY BROTHER. THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TONIGHT AND LISTENING TO

[50:09] NICHOLAS' GREAT PRESENTATION ON OUR PROJECTS. I JUST HAVE ONE

[50:15] CORRECTION. IT'S FOWLING. I WOULD I WILL THROW THAT IN

[50:22] THERE. WE APPRECIATE I GUESS THE FLEXIBILITY AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER THESE VARIANCE

[50:29] REQUESTS. THE ONE, I GUESS, QUESTION OR REQUEST WE WOULD HAVE WOULD

[50:35] BE TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT TO ADD THE FOUR ISLANDS WITH TREES.

[50:41] YOU KNOW, IT'S -- WE'VE -- WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR CONTRACTOR. WE

[50:46] GOT PRICING FOR IT. IT'S LIKE $30,000 FOR THE FOUR ISLANDS

[50:51] WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT FOR OUR LITTLE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AS

[50:56] OPPOSED TO SOME OTHER PROJECTS. SO, YOU KNOW -- FROM -- IT

[51:02] TAKES IT FROM A TRA NET ADD OF 10 STALLS TO 6 STALLS. SO, YOU

[51:08] KNOW, WE LOSE A COUPLE SPOTS, OBVIOUSLY, OUR GOAL IS TO GET AS MANY ONSITE PARKING STALLS AS WE

[51:15] CAN GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE NOT

[51:21] CHANGING THE PERVIOUS AT HER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO TREES. WE LIKE TREES BUT IT'S JUST A HARD THING FOR US TO

[51:28] ACCOMMODATE TIP OF IN THE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO'S ASK

[51:33] IF -- WE'D ASK IF THAT COULD BE REMOVED OR POTENTIALLY DELAYED TO A FURTHER EXTENSION OF 5

[51:41] YEARS PERHAPS. OR MAYBE WHEN WE

[51:46] GET THIS CONNECTION FROM THE

[51:52] TRANSIT TO THE FARMERS' MARKET. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE TO KIND OF SHARE WITH YOU IS A

[51:58] PLAN FROM THE NORTH LOOP ASSOCIATION THAT WAS DONE IN 2019 THAT HIGHLIGHTED THIS

[52:04] PROPERTY. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE TRANSIT STOP IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDINGS, AND AS

[52:12] NICHOLAS SAID THERE'S ABOUT A 10, 12 FOOT DROP THAT GOES FROM THE BACK PARKI LOT TO THE

[52:18] FARMERS' MARKET. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO FOSTER YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF A

[52:26] PROMENADE THAT WOULD CONNECT THE FARMERS' MARKET TO THE TRANSIT STOP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT IS A

[52:31] WONDERFUL, YOU KNOW -- IT IS A WONDERFUL FEATURE THAT FARMERS' MARKET. YOU KNOW, IT TOOK ME 5

[52:37] MINUTES JUST TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, MY BUILDING -- OR OUR

[52:43] BUILDING, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, COMING DOWN ROYALSTON AND AROUND BECAUSE IT IS JUST A HAPPENING KIND OF THING.

[52:49] YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT COULD BE DEFERRED UNTIL

[52:55] SOMETHING HAPPENS AT THAT POINT. THERE ARE NO PLANS BY US BUT WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, HELP

[53:02] IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER WE CAN BY -- BY FOSTERING THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE FARMERS'

[53:09] MARKET AND THE TRANSIT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, ONE COULD POSSIBLY SEE,

[53:16] YOU KNOW, THE REDUCTION OF FURTHER PARKING MAKE THAT PROMENADE HAPPEN.

[53:21] SO IT'S HARD FOR US TO LOSE STALLS IT NOW AND THEN LOSE MORE

[53:26] STALLS -- I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE -- WE HAVE MORE STALLS THAN WHAT WE'D NORMALLY BE

[53:32] ALLOWED AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY BUT ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT OR

[53:38] WHAT DID I MISS, I GUESS? >> I THINK YOU GOT IT ALL GOOD,

[53:43] ARCHITECT. >> OKAY. SO, YES, ANDREW,

[53:49] EX-ENGINEER HE'S GOING TO BE THE GENERAL MANAGER AT THE FOWL BEING WAREHOUSE SO IT'S KIND OF

[53:55] A PERSONAL ENDEAVOR OF OURS SO WITH SOME OTHER INVESTORS AND IT'LL BE A GREAT PROJECT, AND

[54:01] WE'RE REALLY PLEASED TO BE IN THE NORTH LOOP AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT SO

[54:06] ANY QUESTIONS FOR US THAT WE CAN STAND FOR? >> I SAY JUST ABOUT TO OPEN THAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE

[54:12] APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CONLEY? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND. AND THANK YOU, GREAT PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE THE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.

[54:18] LOOKING AT THIS, THOUGH, I WANT TO DIVE MORE INTO THESE TREES 'CAUSE WHAT I APPRECIATE

[54:24] ABOUT THIS REQUIREMENT IS THAT WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HEAT ISLANDS AND HEAT POLLUTION ALL

[54:30] THE THINGS AND SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF TREES AS A REQUIREMENT

[54:35] OF INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN SPECIFICALLY, ALL YOU SEE

[54:40] IS CONTRACT. I DON'T SEE ANY GREEN SPACE EXCEPT FOR A LITTLE SLIVERS HERE AND THERE. THAT'S

[54:49] URBAN DESIGN; RIGHT? BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME

[54:58] ABOUT YOUR PROPOSALS YOU'RE NOT DOING IT BY ADDING MORE CONCRETE

[55:04] BUT YOU'RE BEING INNOVATIVE AND I THINK IT'S TO GET WHAT YOU NEED WITHOUT EXPANDING -- ADDING

[55:10] MORE CONCRETE; RIGHT? SO TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE -- ASIDE FROM THE

[55:15] COST-PROHIBITIVE NATURE, I HEARD THAT. IT'S $30,000 FOR THE FOUR TREE ISLANDS WHICH IS, YOU KNOW,

[55:23] ADDING COSTS BUT YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE, LIKE, 6 SPOTS. TALK ME THROUGH MORE HOW WE CAN BE MORE

[55:29] INNOVATIVE WITH THE TREES? >> SURE, YEAH.

[55:35] I GUESS WHEN WE RESTRIPED IT I WAS ABLE TO GET IT UP TO --

[55:40] GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO 71 STALLS -- OR I GUESS

[55:46] TOTAL OF 80 YEA STALLS THERE WITHOUT THE ISLANDS. WE DID

[55:53] SCRUNCH DOWN THE DRIVE AISLES. DID OUR MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, ISLANDS THERE. TO GET THE TREES

[56:00] 7 FOOT WIDE. SO WITHOUT ADDING THE ISLANDS, WE ARE ABLE TO ADD 10

[56:08] STALLS TO WHAT IS -- TO A DIFFERENT -- BY IS TRYING TO LOT DIFFERENTLY -- STRIPING THE LOT

[56:15] DIFFERENTLY. SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE 60 STALLS, I THINK,. PREPONDERANCE IF WE CHANGE AROUND THE STRIPING, WE CAN GET

[56:24] UP TO 70 STALLS AND THEN -- YEAH, 71 STALLS IN THE BACK AND

[56:34] THEN IF WE SCRUNCH THE DRIVE AISLES, PUT THE -- OUR NET ADD

[56:43] WOULD BE 6 STALLS INSTEAD OF 10 STALLS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

[56:49] >> MR. -- IT DOES. SO ALL 4 OF THE ISLANDS YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO TO GET TO THE 80 SPACES?

[56:57] >> NO. >> OKAY. >> NO. NO. NOT WITH UNDEFEATED OTHER -- I GUESS -- NOT WITH THE

[57:08] OTHER -- I GUESS STALL REQUIREMENTS IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. SO I SCRUNCHED AND STRETCHED AND LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL

[57:14] DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT EXISTING

[57:20] PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE -- YEAH, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH OUR PROJECT

[57:26] AND OUR DOLLARS AND, YEAH, I DIDN'T WANT TO ADD TO THAT SO --

[57:32] >> THANK YOU. >> YEP.

[57:38] >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. >> THANK YOU.

[57:43] >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? I'M NOT SEEING ANY SO I WILL CLOSE THE

[57:49] PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL START OFF BY SAYING I

[57:54] FULLY SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I THINK IT'S VERY REASONABLE TO RESTRIPE THE

[58:01] EXISTING SPACES ADDING MORE PARKING SPOTS WITHOUT ADDING MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE BUT I DO

[58:08] THINK IT'S IMPORTANT KEEP THE TREES THAT STAFF HAVE INCLUDED

[58:13] AS A CONDITION. I THINK IT WAS A MISTAKE TO ALLOW SURFACE

[58:19] PARKING LOTS LIKE THIS ONE WITHOUT THOSE AMENITIES BECAUSE IT HAS AS COMMISSIONER CONLEY WAS SAYING, LED TO A MAJOR HEAT

[58:28] ISLAND DEFECT AND THE TREES PROVIDES A REFUGE FOR BIRDS AND OTHER ANIMALS AND I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE

[58:35] THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE OF THOSE WHEN WE HAVE IT SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE FULL STAFF

[58:42] RECOMMENDATION INCLUDING THE TREE RECOMMENDATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?

[58:47] ALL RIGHT. ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I'LL MOVE IT -- I'LL MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR

[58:54] APPROVAL. >> OKAY. >> SECOND >> ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER

[58:59] DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. (ROLL CALL.)

[59:20] >> WE HAVE 9 AYES, AND 0 NAYS. >> THAT IS ADOPTED. CAN WE GET

[59:26] ADOPTED WITH THE CLOSED CAPTIONING AVAILABILITY. >> WE WERE ABLE TO GET AN EXTENSION UNTIL 7:30. >> OKAY, GREAT.

[59:33] SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 8, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HAD SAID YOU JUST WANTED A PRESENTATION.

[59:40] DO YOU WANT -- >> YEAH, I JUST WAS -- I JUST HAD -- I READ IT THOROUGHLY AND

[59:46] I DON'T KNOW PROCEDURALLY SINCE I REQUESTED A PRESENTATION IF WE HAVE TO DO THE WHO THING. I KNOW WE'RE HITTING ALMOST 6:00.

[59:54] >> WELL, WE GOT AN EXTENSION ON THE CLOSED CAPTIONING SO IT'S OKAY IF YOU WANT TO -- >> I WOULD LOVE -- I WOULD LOVE

[1:00:01] A SHORT ONE AND A CHANCE TO JUST UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT SLIGHTLY BETTER. THAT'S ALL.

[1:00:06] >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

[1:00:18] >> ALL RIGHT. SO THE FORMER 150-ROOM SHERATON HOTEL AT THE

[1:00:25] MIDTOWN GLOBAL MARKET THAT WAS BUILT IN 2004 -- THE APPLICANT -- THE PROPOSAL IS TO

[1:00:30] CONVERT THAT FORMER HOTEL INTO 182-PERSON STAYED CREDENTIALED

[1:00:36] CARE FACILITY -- STATE CREDENTIALED CARE FACILITY.

[1:00:44] THERE'S FOUR USES AS PART OF THIS PROJECT ON THAT GROUND FLOOR, TWO ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, A COFFEE SHOP AND CAFE.

[1:00:52] A MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE AND THEN THIRD ELEMENT ON THAT FIRST FLOOR IS OFFICE SPACE FOR THE

[1:00:58] OPERATOR. UPPER FLOOR IS WHERE THE MAIN USE THAT STATE CREDENTIALED

[1:01:04] FACILITY WOULD BE LOCATED IS UPPER FLOORS, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE 182 INDIVIDUALS.

[1:01:10] ZONING CODE DEFINITION FOR OUR SFCFST IS A CONGREGATE

[1:01:17] LIVING USE WHERE TWO OR MORE PERSONS RESIDE UNDER THE CARE OR SUPERVISION OF PROGRAM LICENSED BY THE STATE OF MINNESOTA

[1:01:23] PROVIDING SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS. WHICH THE APPLICANT SPREADSHEETSING TO

[1:01:28] DO -- IS PROPOSES TO DO. THE ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS LOCATED

[1:01:34] CM3 ALLOWS SCCF WHICH ALLOWS 17 OR MORE BEDS AS A CONDITIONAL

[1:01:40] USE. AND I CAN QUICKLY GO THROUGH THOSE FINDINGS IF YOU'D LIKE -- CPED SEIZED THE MEETINGS

[1:01:48] FINDING 1 AND 2 NOT BEING DETRIMENTAL OR ENDANGERED THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR INJURIOUS TO

[1:01:55] THE SURROUNDING AREA IT WILL COMPLYING WITH THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS LICENSED BY THE STATE INTENDED TO PROVIDE A STAY

[1:02:01] ENVIRONMENT FOR INDIVIDUALS PURSUING SOBRIETY AND 24-HOUR STAFFING BY ONE OPERATOR.

[1:02:07] FINDING 3 -- THERE'S "UTILITIES ACCESS ROWS AND

[1:02:13] DRAINAGE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SITE PLAN WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS TO MEET THE SAME

[1:02:20] LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT WAS COMPLETED. FINDING 4, SAFE

[1:02:29] RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. AGAIN, HAVING A SITE PLAN THAT WAS

[1:02:34] PREVIOUSLY APPROVED NOT TOO LONG AGO AND THAT STAFF FINDS THIS TO BE A GREAT LOCATION FOR

[1:02:39] ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION WITH PEDESTRIAN ACCESS BIKE AND BUS ACCESS AND

[1:02:46] MAINTAIN THE 71-SPACE SURFACE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

[1:02:51] AND FINALLY FINDINGS 5 AND 6 CPED SEES THE PROJECT WITH THE

[1:02:56] COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OTHER REGULATION THAT. . IT EXPANDS HOUSING CHOICES REPURPOSES AN

[1:03:02] EXISTING BUILDING AND MEETS THE CM3 REQUIREMENTS IN REPORTER NO AGO COMMERCIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL USE ON THE FIRST

[1:03:09] FLOOR. PROJECT THE SCCF ELEMENT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SPACING

[1:03:16] REQUIREMENTS. SO, AGAIN, SEES THE PROJECT MEETING THE

[1:03:21] FINDINGS. THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED WITH THE

[1:03:27] PROJECT PROJECT NOTICING SO CPED IS RECOMMENDING THE PROPOSAL

[1:03:34] WITH THE CONDITIONS IN REQUIRING THE CONDITIONS OF THE COUNTY CONDITIONAL USE SITE PLAN,

[1:03:40] CONTINUING COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE BIKE

[1:03:45] PARKING. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR AURIN?

[1:03:50] COMMISSIONER JONES? >> YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ARE THEY GOING TO BE DOING INTERIOR RECONFIGURATION, LIKE,

[1:03:58] PUTTING, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY SPACE AND KITCHENS AND OTHER FACILITIES TO SUPPORT -- I'M

[1:04:03] JUST CURIOUS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PLANNING COMMISSION

[1:04:10] QUESTION -- >> I CAN LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK MORE TO THIS BUT THERE'LL DEFINITELY BE -- I BELIEVE

[1:04:16] RENOVATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE FOUR DIFFERENT USES INCLUDING THAT CAFE AND COFFEE SHOP THAT

[1:04:24] DOES SHOW KITCHEN SPACE IN THIS

[1:04:30] AREA. BUT CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER JONES, I'M NOT SURE

[1:04:36] IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY. >> ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER

[1:04:41] THOMPSON. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I THINK MOTIONS OF MY QUESTIONS PROBABLY -- I THINK THE MAJORITY OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE FOR THE

[1:04:48] APPLICANT. I'M JUST CURIOUS OF THE LEVELS SO THANK YOU. PROBABLY QUESTIONS SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER JONES. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON

[1:04:54] TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC

[1:04:59] HEARING DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT WITH US. INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS

[1:05:05] FOR YOU. >> MY NAME IS JACOB SEVENTEEN WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. EXCUSE

[1:05:11] ME. I WON'T REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT AT THAT AURIN MENTIONED BUT I WILL TRY TO ANSWER SOME

[1:05:16] QUESTIONS. I DO WANT TO SAY THIS IS AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY

[1:05:22] TO TURN -- TO TAKE WHAT HAS BEEN A LONG CLOSED FACILITY INTO A

[1:05:28] VERY ACTIVE USE THAT WILL SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY IT'LL BE A SAFE AND ACTIVE USE

[1:05:35] AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. WITH THE QUESTION I THINK

[1:05:41] WAS: WILL THERE BE KITCHENS? THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UNITS THAT CURRENTLY ARE KIND OF LONGER

[1:05:48] TERM STAY BUT THERE'S AN EXISTING KITCHEN ONSITE AND THIS WILL OPERATE IN MANY WAYS VERY

[1:05:55] MUCH AS A HOTEL. MANY OF THE RESIDENTS WILL COME AND GO. IT'S JUST SIMPLY A LONGER STAY

[1:06:01] WITH SOME SUPPORTIVE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES ONSITE SO THERE WILL BE A KITCHEN WITH FOOD AVAILABILITY

[1:06:08] BUT MANY OF THEM WILL HAVE JOBS JOBS TO GO TO THEIR FAMILIES AND EAT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY

[1:06:14] >> QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON?

[1:06:19] >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I GUESS YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO ABBOTT, I WAS

[1:06:26] CURIOUS IF THIS -- YOU KNOW, THESE NEW FOR THE STATE AND FOR

[1:06:31] THE CITY AND I KIND OF TAKE SERIOUSLY AS EVERYONE WHO COMES

[1:06:37] UP IN THIS ONE IS RATHER LARGE IN POSITIVE WAYS BUT CHALLENGING

[1:06:43] WAYS. IS THIS MEANT TO BE MORE OF LIKE A -- DARE I SAY LIKE A

[1:06:51] HOSPITAL/HOSPICE RECOVERY TYPE FACILITY OR MORE OF A TEMPORARY HOUSING FROM -- IS IT MEANT TO

[1:06:57] BE FROM THE HOSPITAL OR IS IT JUST AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY?

[1:07:03] >> SO THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION AND I'M SORRY CHAIR, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE

[1:07:09] THIS IS NEW USES AND THIS IS PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT LESS INTENSE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER MODELS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN. YES, THE INTENT IS THAT

[1:07:18] THESE -- THESE ARE GUESTS WHO HAVE BEEN DISCHARGED, IF THEY HAVE BEEN HOSPITALIZED. EVERY

[1:07:24] ONE OF THESE RESIDENTS IS COMMITTED TO SOBRIETY. THEY ARE

[1:07:31] VERY FAR LISTALONG THEIR JOURNE THIS IS A LESS INTENSE -- I THINK A LEVEL 3.5 OR 3.8 WHEN

[1:07:38] ONE IS STARTING. SO THERE WILL NOT BE INTENSIVE MEDICAL

[1:07:43] SERVICES ONSITE. AGAIN, THE PROXIMITY IS A IS A -- IT WILL

[1:07:49] BE REALLY A COINCIDENCE. THERE WILL BE MEDICAL OFFICES ONSITE. WE CAN'T DISCLOSE WHO THOSE --

[1:07:57] THAT OPERATOR WILL BE, BUT IF WE HAVE OUR WAY, IT WILL BE A VERY

[1:08:04] LARGE OPERATOR THAT IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY. >> THANK YOU. JUST ANOTHER

[1:08:09] QUESTION AND I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER. HAS THIS -- AND I WAS LOOKING UP THE NAME AND I THOUGHT I WROTE IT DOWN BUT I

[1:08:16] DIDN'T. THE CONTRACTOR WHO IS GOING TO PUT THIS TOGETHER, DO THEY DO HAVE ANY OTHER

[1:08:23] LOCATIONS -- THEY'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. IS THIS A BRAND-NEW SERVICE FOR THEM AND SOBRIETY

[1:08:29] INCORPORATED I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE NAME IS. >> SOBRIETY -- AND THAT WILL BE

[1:08:34] THE OPERATOR OF THE SCCF -- OR ONE OF THE PARTNERS, BUT IT'S

[1:08:39] DESIGNED THAT IT CAN INTERCHANGE WITH ANY ONE OF THE OPERATORS. YES, THIS IS A SEASONED OPERATOR

[1:08:45] THAT HAS A NUMBER OF FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE TWIN CITIES. >> OKAY. >> AND, AGAIN, THERE'S -- THERE

[1:08:51] ARE A LOT OF OPERATORS OUT THERE BUT THIS IS IN MANY WAYS A MUCH

[1:08:57] LESS INTENSE USE THAT REALLY FITS VERY WELL. YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY THIS, YOU KNOW -- GIVEN

[1:09:03] THE BROAD DEFINITION, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY FALL UNDER THE CLASSIFICATION OF A HOTEL BUT

[1:09:08] BECAUSE OF THIS VERY SPECIFIC NEW DEFINITION, WE FELT IT NECESSARY TO JUST GO THROUGH THE

[1:09:14] PROCESS AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS. >> THANK YOU I REALLY APPRECIATE

[1:09:20] THE CLARIFICATION. I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER JONES, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

[1:09:27] COMMISSIONER CONLEY? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE IT. ONE QUESTION

[1:09:33] THAT I HAVE TO START OUT WITH IS SOBRIETY, INC., A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY?

[1:09:38] >> YOU KNOW, I WILL HAVE TO -- I BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE IT IS A

[1:09:45] FOR-PROFIT ENTITY. IT IS A PARTNER AGAIN -- IF IT WEREN'T FOR THOSE PLANS THAT WERE

[1:09:51] PREPARED BY SOBRIETY, INC., WE WOULDN'T BE ADVERTISE A PARTNER SPECIFICALLY. WE ARE COMMITTED

[1:09:56] TO OUR PARTNER BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO OPERATE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF -- PARTNER

[1:10:02] AGNOSTIC BUT, YES, THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GENERALLY FOR-PROFIT.

[1:10:08] >> RIGHT. SO THESE TYPES OF PERMITS ARE NEW AS YOU KNOW. >> THANK YOU. >> TO MEET THE DEMAND FOR

[1:10:14] WHAT -- FOR THE TYPES OF TREATMENT NEEDS THAT WE NEED FOR

[1:10:19] OVERWHELMING INCREASES IN MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORTS AND OPIOID USE WITHIN -- WITHIN OUR STATE AND

[1:10:25] I'LL SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THIS AREA, THIS COMMUNITY THAT I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF REPRESENTING ON

[1:10:30] THE HENNEPIN COUNTY BOARD. THIS LOCATION HAS A SIGNIFICANT

[1:10:36] HISTORY AND I'M NOT SURE THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE AWARE WHO ARE

[1:10:41] ACTIVELY GOING AFTER THE PERMITS. WHILE WE DO NEED IT IN OUR

[1:10:47] COMMUNITY, I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS AREA -- THIS SPECIFIC HOTEL HAS A HISTORY TO IT, 5

[1:10:53] YEARS AGO, THAT OUR COMMUNITY WAS PRETTY MUCH DEVASTATED BY

[1:10:58] AND NOT JUST -- NOT JUST THE FIRES AND THE UPRISING BUT ALSO

[1:11:03] THIS SPACE WAS USED TO GATHER. IT WAS USED FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE UNHOUSED AND IT WAS ALSO USED FOR MUTUAL AID. THE COMMUNITY

[1:11:10] TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO HOUSE PEOPLE THERE WHO WOULD HAVE BURNED TO DEATH HAD IT WEREN'T

[1:11:16] BEEN FOR THE SHERATON. WHEN I WAS COMING IN TODAY, I RAN INTO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE LAKE STREET

[1:11:22] COUNCIL WHO WAS PLANNING TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM TODAY BUT JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

[1:11:27] SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE REAL OUTREACH WITH

[1:11:33] THE RESIDENTS, THE COUNCILS AND THE COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE BEEN

[1:11:39] IMPACTED BY THIS LOCATION, WHO HAVE IDEAS TO SHARE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN IT

[1:11:48] CONVERSATIONS -- IN CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPEN BEFORE YOU GET HERE. I CAN THINK OF A FEW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD

[1:11:53] DEVELOPMENT CENTER, LAKE STREET COUNCIL. THERE'S SOME GREAT PARTNERS ON THAT STRETCH OF LAKE STREET WHO WOULD LOVE TO

[1:11:59] HEAR MORE ABOUT -- WHILE THE OPERATOR CAN'T BE DISCLOSED, I'M HAPPY THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE

[1:12:04] COMMUNITY BUT ALSO I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITIES AROUND --

[1:12:10] WITHIN THE MIDTOWN PHILLIPS AREA, IN AND AROUND -- WHAT WAS

[1:12:16] THE SHERATON HOTEL BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS CERTAINLY WHAT WE NEED IN OUR

[1:12:21] COMMUNITY, HOW IT'S SHAPED, HOW IT LOOKS, HOW IT OPERATES IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S

[1:12:28] GOING TO NEED SUBSTANTIAL RESIDENTIAL IMPACT. SO WHILE THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THERE I THINK IT WAS ANSWERED BUT IT'S MORE SO

[1:12:34] SHARING WHAT I'VE HEARD AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS AREA FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS. >> YEAH, CHAIR COMMISSIONER

[1:12:40] CONLEY THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS AND THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT LOST ON US. YOU KNOW, I THINK -- I'D I

[1:12:46] HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS YES, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND

[1:12:52] WE WILL BE PRESENTING TO THEM IN -- I BELIEVE IT'S EVEN NEXT WEEK WITH MIDTOWN PHILLIPS NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND WE DO

[1:12:59] FULLY INTEND TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE NEAT THINGS ABOUT THIS USE

[1:13:06] SPECIFICALLY IS, YOU KNOW, A HOTEL -- A STRUGGLING HOTEL IN PARTICULAR CAN'T AFFORD THE

[1:13:12] SECURITY THAT THIS SITE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WILL BE A SAFE USE. THIS USE ITSELF WILL

[1:13:18] ACCOMMODATE AND REQUIRE 24 HOURS A DAY SECURITY BOTH INSIDE AND

[1:13:23] OUTSIDE AND WHO WE SEE IT AS A NET IMPROVEMENT AND WE'VE ALREADY -- WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN

[1:13:29] MAINTAINING LONGSTANDING DIALOG WITH THE OWNERS AND MANAGERS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THE REAL

[1:13:35] ESTATE OWNERS ASSOCIATION WITH THE MIDTOWN EXCHANGE SO THERE'S

[1:13:41] A LOT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE CONTINUE TO HAVE AND WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO

[1:13:46] BE NIMBLE IN TERMS OF OUR OPERATIONS AND WE ABSOLUTELY WILL SO WE CAN BE RESPONSIVE SO

[1:13:51] IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT LOST ON US THAT THIS IS A PLACE, YOU KNOW, REAL COMMUNITY TRAUMA AND, YOU

[1:13:56] KNOW, WE WANT HE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A SAFE, ACTIVE HEALTHY PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

[1:14:03] >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE

[1:14:09] APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CHOWDHURY? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

[1:14:18] I ECHO A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER CONLEY SHARED.

[1:14:23] SHE BASICALLY TEED OFF THE QUESTION THAT WAS KIND OF GOING THROUGH MY HEAD AND GOING BACK

[1:14:30] TO 2020 AND JUST PART OF THE IS OUTSIDE COMMUNITY AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED YOU'RE PLANNING ON

[1:14:35] MEETING THE MIDTOWN FILLIPS YOU NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BUT I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT OTHER GROUPS ARE YOU PLANNING ON MEETING WITH

[1:14:44] BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY STAKEHOLDERS ALONG THE LAKE STREET CORNERED THAT ARE INVOLVED IN NOT ONLY THE

[1:14:51] BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND ITS FUTURE IN THRIVING BUT ALSO IN SUPPORTING UNHOUSED COMMUNITY

[1:15:00] MEMBERS. SUPPORTING WOMEN WHO ARE FACING DOMESTIC ABUSE,

[1:15:05] FAMILY PARTNERSHIP FOR ONE AND -- WHO ARE JUST LIKE REALLY,

[1:15:10] REALLY INVESTED FOR THE LAST -- I WOULD SAY, LIKE, 30, 40 YEARS IN THE SAFETY, VIBRANCY OF THIS

[1:15:18] CORNERED, SO, YEAH, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WHAT KIND

[1:15:23] OF OUTREACH YOU'RE DOING AND WHO'S IN MIND. >> WE HAVE MAINTAINED A LOT OF DIALOG CERTAINLY WITH

[1:15:30] LAKE STREET COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED VERY MUCH ON OUR -- KIND OF OUR INTERNAL PARTNERS WITH THE REOA

[1:15:36] WHICH INCLUDES, OF COURSE, ALLINA, RYAN AND ALL OF THEIR

[1:15:42] OPERATIONS FOLKS BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE THE ALLINA IS WITH OPERATIONS. SO WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO

[1:15:48] BE INVOLVED OF WITH REALLY ANYONE WHO WILL HAVE US AND STAFF HAS MY CONTACT INFORMATION

[1:15:55] AND IF THERE'S A SUGGESTION THAT YOU HAVE, WE CERTAINLY MET WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE

[1:16:02] IMMEDIATE VICINCI AND WE WOULD HAPPILY TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS AND MAINTAINING THAT DIALOG. IT

[1:16:07] REALLY IS INTENDED TO BE AN ONGOING DIALOG. >> THAT'S GREAT. I'M HAPPY TO

[1:16:13] FOLLOW UP WITH SOME STAKEHOLDERS THAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN HAVING A

[1:16:18] CONVERSATION WITH YOU. MY NEXT QUESTION IS JUST KIND OF GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING

[1:16:25] OF WHO THIS WILL SERVE. AND HOW

[1:16:31] CLIENTS/PATIENTS ARE GOING TO BE REFERRED TO THIS LOCATION? >> YEAH. THAT'S A GREAT

[1:16:37] QUESTION. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A POPULATION THAT IS LARGELY IN THIS COMMUNITY

[1:16:42] ALREADY. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO AGAIN ARE VERY COMMITTED TO

[1:16:49] SOBRIETY. THEY NEED A KIND OF STABLE GROUND AND A FRAMEWORK TO HELP SUPPORT THEM AS THEY MAKE THAT NEXT STEP INTO FULL ON --

[1:16:57] FULL-FLEDGED HOUSING SO THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE REFERRED THROUGH OFTENTIMES THROUGH THE

[1:17:03] HOSPITALS IN THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER MORE INTENSIVE PROGRAMS THAT IT EXIST AND, AGAIN, IT'S

[1:17:08] PART OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY AFTER THE 30 TO 60 DAYS -- AND, AGAIN,

[1:17:15] THIS IS A REMINDER THIS IS -- NONE OF THESE ARE MANDATORY STAYS. EVERYONE IS HERE VOLUNTARILY. THIS IS A VERY

[1:17:22] SECURED FACILITY BUT IT'S NOT A LOCKED FACILITY AND WE DO ANTICIPATE PEOPLE BEING THERE 30 TO 90 DAYS BUT THEY CAN LEAVE AT

[1:17:28] ANY TIME, AND WHEN THEY LEAVE, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THEY'LL EITHER GO, YOU KNOW, LIVE WITH

[1:17:34] FRIENDS OR FAMILY OR INTO SOME OF THE SOBER HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY AND, FRANKLY, IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN VERY

[1:17:42] SUCCESSFUL SO, AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A NEW SYSTEM BUT

[1:17:48] IT'S PART OF THAT BROADER CONTINUUM OF CARE SO PEOPLE DON'T END UP BACK ON THE STREET

[1:17:54] AND END UP WITH THEIR -- YEAH, FALLING BACK INTO OLD HABITS. >> GREAT, THANK YOU, AND SO IT

[1:18:01] SOUNDS LIKE A BIG PRIORITY IN SERVING THE COMMUNITY THAT IS

[1:18:07] GOING TO BE WITHIN AND I KNOW THAT OTHER CARE FACILITIES HAVE

[1:18:12] H HAD PARTNERSHIPS WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY FACILITIES IS THERE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS?

[1:18:17] >> YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO DEPEND WHO OUR FINAL OPERATOR IS GOING TO BE. WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO

[1:18:23] ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PRESSURE ON BEDS IN THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE COMMUNITY

[1:18:28] >> UH-HUH >> BUT AGAIN TO YOUR POINT WE'RE NOT -- WE DON'T ANTICIPATE OUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO COME TO

[1:18:35] US. WE'RE COMING TO THEM, WHERE THEY LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY >> GREAT. I'LL JUST CLOSE WITH

[1:18:42] SAYING THAT -- I THINK THIS IS A VERY -- A VERY FORTUITOUS

[1:18:48] OPPORTUNITY THAT'S HERE BEFORE US. FOR AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF

[1:18:56] THE SHERATON HOTEL GIVEN THE HISTORY OF 2020 AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY NEEDED

[1:19:04] SHELTER BECAUSE OF THE FIRES BUT ALSO JUST THE ECONOMIC UPHEAVAL OF THAT TIME. AND I REMEMBER

[1:19:13] MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS JUST ARE NEIGHBORS, MANY STREET MEMBERS

[1:19:20] COUNCIL LOOKING TO ELECTED MEMBERS TO SEE IF THE SHERATON

[1:19:26] COULD BE A SHELTER AND SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY -- FROM MY VIEW PRETTY REMARKABLE TO SEE THAT

[1:19:32] IT'S HEADED IN A DIRECTION TO SERVE A POPULATION OF PEOPLE

[1:19:37] THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE VERY REGULARLY ACROSS ALL LEVELS OF

[1:19:44] GOVERNMENT ARE UNDERSERVING AND I THINK A HUGE PART OF WHAT WE

[1:19:49] WE'RE MISSING IS A PLACE WHERE FOLKS CAN LEARN HOW TO

[1:19:55] REINTEGRATE BACK INTO COMMUNITY, BACK INTO EVERY DAY SOCIETY

[1:20:00] AFTER HAVING REALLY, REALLY DEEP STRUGGLE WITH SUBSTANCE USE

[1:20:08] DISORDER AND THEIR OWN SOBRIETY AND I THINK US AS ELECTED MEMBERS REGULARLY SEE THAT,

[1:20:15] OTHERS REGULARLY SEE THAT AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING THE

[1:20:20] TRANSPARENT PROCESS AND GOING THROUGH THIS AND I APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK IN BRINGING THIS

[1:20:27] FORWARD TO US >> COMMISSIONER GORDON? >> YEAH, THANK YOU. THIS IS ALSO JUST FOLLOWING UP ON

[1:20:36] COMMISSIONERS CONLEY AND CHOWDHURY'S COMMENTS THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MORE BEDS ARE GREAT

[1:20:43] IN THIS ADAPTED REUSE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, YOU ARE DEALING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. I WOULD ALSO

[1:20:49] JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO GROUPS LIKE IS OUTSIDE HARM REDUCTION AND NAC THOSE ARE TWO

[1:20:55] IN PARTICULAR WHO HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH UNDERSERVED GROUPS A LOT OF TIMES. PEOPLE WITH DEEP HISTORY, DEEP

[1:21:01] CONNECTIONS TO THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT YOU SEEK TO SERVE AND JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONTACTS

[1:21:10] AND KNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD HELP. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. NOT SEEING ANY. THANK

[1:21:16] YOU. >> WROTE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC

[1:21:22] HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS -- >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS

[1:21:27] ITEM FOR APPROVAL. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT.

[1:21:37] THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. (ROLL CALL.)

[1:21:59] >> WE HAVE AYES AND 0 NAYS. >> THAT IS DUPED.

[1:22:05] NEXT ITEM 9 IS 1600, 1608,

[1:22:10] 1612 LAKE STREET. IN WARD 10. >> CHAIR MEYER, SO STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED THIS ONE FOR

[1:22:16] DISCUSSION ANTICIPATING THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD BE PRESENT. I BELIEVE THE ONLY

[1:22:21] REMAINING MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM SO WOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION STILL LIKE A PRESENTATION ON

[1:22:28] THIS ONE, OTHERWISE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS WAS FOR APPROVAL.

[1:22:33] >> ANYONE? ALL RIGHT. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I WILL MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT

[1:22:39] STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> SECOND. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY SEDUCTION? ALL IN -- ANY DISCUSSION. ALL

[1:22:46] IN FAVOR, AYE. >> ADOPTED >> AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY. WE DO

[1:22:53] HAVE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THURSDAY ON JULY 10TH AND THEN -- >> CHAIR MEYER, DID WE OPEN THE

[1:22:59] PUBLIC HEARING -- WE STILL NEED A PUBLIC HEARING -- WE DO WE NOTICED IT AS A PUBLIC HEARING

[1:23:04] EVEN IF NO ONE'S HERE WE STILL NEED TO OPEN AND CLOSE IT.

[1:23:10] >> ALL RIGHT. >> GOT IT. SO WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO ITEM NO. 9? I'LL

[1:23:15] OPEN PUBLIC HEARING?

[1:23:21] (SPEAKER NOT MIC'D.) DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT? NO, OKAY.

[1:23:29] (LAUGH.) >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE

[1:23:34] ELSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE NEED TO VOTE AGAIN? >> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY. I'LL MOVE IT FOR

[1:23:40] APPROVAL. >> A SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED. ABSTENTIONS THAT'S

[1:23:46] ADOPTED. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE DONE. (LAUGH.) >> THANK YOU TO ASPEN FOR

[1:23:52] SITTING THROUGH THAT. >> DAVE, YOU GOT A GOOD PLANNING

[1:24:01] COMMISSION MEETING. >> ARE WE GAVELED OUT -- >> NO UPDATES FROM STAFF OTHER THAN WE DO HAVE ONE ITEM AT

[1:24:07] COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THIS THURSDAY. IT IS A UPCOMING TEXT AMENDMENT RELATED TO THE MINIMUM

[1:24:14] HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IN SOME OF OUR BUILT FORUM DISTRICTS SO THERE'LL BE A PRELIMINARY

[1:24:21] DISCUSSION ON THAT AS OUR CODEVELOPMENT TEAM WORKS ON PREPARING A FINAL

[1:24:28] RECOMMENDATION. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. WE ARE ADJOURNED.