[Music] you're watching LM cc [Music] hello and welcome to talking points I'm Kay Erickson with the League of Women Voters of south tanka and today we're talking about Minnesota's presidential nomination primary and the 2020 census my first guest is Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon we're going to be talking about the presidential primary for this year Minnesotans will be able to go to the polls and vote for the presidential candidate that they think should be on their party's ballot in November this is the first time in nearly 30 years that Minnesotans have had an opportunity to do this but there's some changes this year and the way we normally run primaries that you're going to want to hear about and then in the second part of our program we're going to be talking about the census with state demographer Susan Brower and Paul Huffman with the League of Women Voters of Minnesota we'll be talking about how crucial it is that every single person in Minnesota gets counted this year welcome secretary Simon thank you so much for being here today my pleasure now the 2016 legislature passed a law that provides this presidential primary this year but before we talk about this particular election I'd like to talk about primaries in general primary elections are different from general elections even though they look the same and I think even our regular primary elections are somewhat confusing sometimes so you can can you explain how the goal of primary elections and how those work compared to general elections sure well the general election is where we elect someone to an actual office so at the end of the process and a general election someone's gonna raise a hand and swear an oath and take office that's not the case with primary elections now there are two kinds of primary elections there's the one we're gonna have in August and we always do that's the process by which political parties we know down to one somebody to be the nominee for an office so if there are five Democrats running for governor there's a primary and one is left standing what we're in the middle of right now is a different species in primary we're calling it the presidential nominating primary at the end of this process no one wins in office or even wins a nomination no one raises a hand or takes an oath what happens here is this is the way that Minnesota has chosen to help the major parties allocate their delegates to the national convention it's a little complicated but bottom line is candidates are gonna come out of Minnesota they're gonna have delegates to the National Convention 'z that they hope will build a majority and make them the nominee and Minnesota has chosen since 2016 to move from our old caucus system for doing that process to now a primary system which is a straight-up real election in real polling places just like people are used to in November only here we're not electing someone to an office we're helping the parties allocate delegates in some ways this will look like regular primaries and regular elections I mean people will go to the polls as they're polling place is going to change your same polling place they're used to the same hours same hours you can get off work to vote that's right you have absentee ballots correct that can take place actually early voting has already started that's right a primary election is actually March 3rd so some things are the same how old you have to be to vote in this primary that's key you have to be 18 and that's different isn't it this is the caucus system to participate in the caucuses you just had to be 18 by November okay that's not the case here okay have to be 18 by March 3rd to participate if you're not you can't participate okay and other races are not going to be on the ballot correct just this one contest for president United States now which parties are eligible to pre participate in this particular primary that's different well Minnesota now has four major political parties four we have the Democratic Party the Republican Party and two parties dedicated to the legalization of marijuana use so those are the four major parties all are entitled to participate but only to chose to participate the Democratic and Republican parties will be participating in the primary the other two parties I mentioned opted not to participate in the presidential primary okay so you in order to participate you don't have to hold a national convention well in order to participate yes you are supposed to open the national convention but even then you don't have to participate okay the to marijuana parties chose not to okay so who determined what candidates ended up on this primary ballot that's a little unusual the way the legislature wrote the law in 20:16 is they gave that power to the party chairs so the chair of the Republican Party and the chair of the Democratic Party in Minnesota they say who's on the ballot that's different normally in elections in Minnesota there's a filing period or candidate registration and whoever can register and pay the fee they can be on that ballot that's not the case with this contest it's only the party chairs who have the ability to determine who's on the ballot so let's go through what a voter will experience when they enter the polling place because some things will change pretty quickly yes they walk in the door and they sign in that's right and then they unlocked ask a little election judge for a ballot and that's where it gets different can you talk about that's right the legislature in 2016 for a lot of reasons decided to have separate ballots so this is not something we're used to in Minnesota instead of one ballot featuring multiple parties and multiple multiple contests there's gonna be separate ballots so the voter who votes on game day on March 3rd will have to tell the election judge or point you don't have to say it out loud please give me the Democratic Party ballot or please give me the Republican Party ballot and here's the interesting part and I think the unfortunate part in my view the record of which ballot that a voter has chosen not the record of who they voted for we still have a secret ballots and no one know who you voted for but the record of which party's ballot the voter chose will be made available to all four major political parties all for the Democratic Party the Republican Party in both marijuana parties even though they're not participating because they're major parties all four parties will get that list and be able to tell who picked which party's ballot I think that's unfortunate I have some legislation before the Minnesota Legislature that would change that that would guarantee some voter privacy but that is the rule for now what will the major party chairs do with that information are there any restrictions at all on what they are allowed to do well that again is the unfortunate part there are no restrictions on what the parties can do with that data now I want to make clear I think they I believe them and take them at their word when they say they intend to safeguard this data but right now there's no law in place that makes them do that so technically speaking if one of the four parties wanted to simply post the list online if they wanted to I'm not saying they do they could do that and that I think is disturbing and there are a lot of Minnesotans a lot that I've talked to personally that I've heard them through emails and phone calls and otherwise who are really worried about the possibility that their political leaning will somehow get wide circulation because for different entities now one their chosen political party but three that aren't their chosen local party are going to get that information are you hearing from a lot of people that this is a problem yes yes and sometimes it has to do with what people's jobs are you can imagine people in certain professions whether it's journalism or small business owner or a school administrator a member of the clergy certain professions that really need to project balance and objectivity and and they're troubled by the prospect that their leanings could get out there and and I don't blame them so I think we need to rein that in and lock down that data and that's what I intend to try to do but it depends on the legislature now when they walk into that poll and they ask for their ballot they also have to sign a statement about can you explain the state sure yeah when voters choose a ballot whichever party's ballot they choose when they sign in they are signing an oath saying that they generally agree with the principles of that party at least as of that day that was something put in place at the insistence of the National parties both the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee said look we need some guarantee that you won't have Republicans crossing over and voting in the Democratic primary in vice versa and since Minnesota doesn't have party registration you know most states do where you register as a Democrat or your register as a Republican we don't have it we never have there's no other way to tell who is a self-described Democratic ins so this was the way that the legislature decided to to get that done okay now to be clear personal information about voters some of that has always been somewhat public your name whether you noted some of those kinds of things have always been public public how public have has that information then is it just if a party once that they can get it or can just anyone get that kind of in from whether you voted in the last election or not well I can speak for our office so we keep a database that we make available for a fee to candidates and parties and others and it includes four things name address year of birth and voter history not who someone voted for we couldn't know that but whether someone votes you know only in presidential elections do they show up for absolutely everything something in between and that information is made available for a fee but even then there are some restrictions it can only be used for very narrow purposes it can't be sold it can't be used for commercial purposes that kind of thing it's those kinds of things that we need in my opinion for the presidential nominating primary as well I would go even further I would give everyone in Minnesota the ability to opt out of the list just say take me off the list we have that elsewhere in state law I think that would go a long way towards convincing people that their personal political leanings aren't going to get out there and wide circulation now there been another number of proposals by both parties about what we can do about this before this information gets released do you think there's any chance that some of that might change and can you talk about some of those proposals sure well my proposal the one that I hope will pass and I hope the Legislature will take a serious look at we do three things first it would only give the data to a National Party representative and only for the narrow purpose of determining voter eligibility second it would make all of this data private data under state law which means if you show it to anyone or give it to anyone there are serious penalties fines etc third is the opt-out that we talked about everyone should be able to say take me off the list just as we do in other kinds of elections that I think is a fair proposal that could really get traction look in my perfect world if I were Emperor for a day and I could wave a magic wand I want this to be like our August primary that some of your viewers are familiar with where it's untraceable it's one piece of paper no one will ever know which side of the ballot you voted on that is unlikely to happen though that would be my first choice this that I've just outlined is something that I think could pass I hope the Legislature will take a serious look at it do the Republicans have some proposals for them there or do the Democrats of the run-up repulsive you know there are a couple legislators who recently floated the idea of basically disallowing collection of any of this data I think the issue there is that then that would junk the entire primary the national parties would then not recognize it so that's a way to torpedo the whole thing I don't think that's likely to happen that's why I think the the legislation that I've offered has the best chance of actually getting enacted okay so basically we've added an election to the the whole scheduled elections in Minnesota we still have caucuses right in February that's right that happens before this primary election and then we still have the primary in August right and then we still have the regular general election November 3rd and the date for pre-registering is Timber 18th I think well actually know it to be a little later they do it'll be in mid-october October remember Minnesota has same-day voter registration so if any voter hasn't registered yet and wants to or needs to change their registration no problem Minnesota is one of the few states in the country it's a great law you can just go to your polling place on gameday and register right there okay you know we talked before and previous programs about cybersecurity and the issue of making sure our elections are secure can you talk a little bit about how your office is dealt with that since some of the funding has been released yeah we've dealt with it very aggressively and constantly the number one threat to our election integrity in this country and in the state is the prospect that some adversary will try to mess with our democracy again so we are on it we have taken the federal money made available to us and purchased hardware and software and staffed up and gotten real experts in the field to help us we feel very good about where we are no guarantees of course just like the U of M or Target or US bank can't make any guarantees either neither can we but I feel very good about where we are that's really good to know I think that's always going to be a concern really this year to make sure that election is secure yes if people have questions about the primary or any other election related questions can you tell them what website to yes the website is MN votes org MN votes org and let me just say if I may you know the real advantages to having a presidential primary notwithstanding the reservations I have about the data issue that we've discussed I think it was the right move to go to a primary because it swings the doors wide open for many more people to participate people who don't have two or three hours on a Tuesday to sit in a junior high gym so we're lucky to have it but we just got to iron out this data detail because that does concern me yeah and it concerns a lot of people so it's good to know people are working on that thank you very much for being here I appreciate your taking the time to be here and explain all of this and good luck with the election thank you always a pleasure it's time for a short break when we come back I'll be talking about the 2020 census with state demographer Susan Brower and Paul Hoffman with the League of Women Voters of Minnesota check out LM CC on Facebook be sure to LIKE and friend us so you can keep up with all the happenings or to watch one of your favorite videos welcome back to talking points I'm Kay Erickson with the League of Women Voters of south tonga and in this part of the program we'll be talking about the 2020 census what it is and why it is so important to all of us that every person in Minnesota get counted this year my guests are Susan Brower with the state demographer and Paul Hoffman with the League of Women Voters of Minnesota welcome sue welcome Paul thank you so much for being here Susan can you tell us a little bit about what you do a state demographer sure so for most of the decade my work is looking at demographic trends and and reporting how they might impact policymakers decisions so a lot of number crunching when it comes time around the time of the census my work is really heavily focused on making sure that Minnesotans know what the census is why it's important and making sure that we get an excellent count thank you Paul can you tell us a little bit about what you do with the League of Women Voters of Minnesota sure Kay thanks I'm the coordinator of census and redistricting for legal voters in Minnesota in this role what I do is I work with state and local leaders and government organizations to provide information product support to our members over 2,000 members and 35 leagues in the state who engage our members and educate our members and the community in these issues and with regards to census it's been working with our leagues and members to engage a public to encourage people to participate in the census to maximize the account thank you so let's start with the basics can we talk about start with what what's the census why is it important where are we required to do this count every 10 years sure so the census is a count of every living breathing human being who's living regularly in the u.s. so that includes everyone who's alive every one who's alive at the head count it's done its first purpose from from the Constitution is that it is done to rhe district 4 representative government so congressional apportionment is based on the census count districting at the state level for the federal level City level all kinds of government levels the redistricting is based on the census count and why is it so important for for funding of Minnesota yeah so in addition to the political representation it's used for all kinds of funding formulas there's 15 billion dollars in funding each year that's distributed to Minnesota and Minnesota communities on the basis of the census count and that's in all kinds of areas from Medicaid to school lunch programs transportation and highway planning a range of programs that that use the census count as one of the factors for distributing funds well okay one of the things I think it would be helpful as is there are large number of USDA programs that also are based on census you know things such as rural housing assistance and farm credits rural electrification which is still out there as a program that provides millions of dollars to rural Minnesota so getting an accurate count is important to the whole state and everybody should recognize that and when when I was reading I was interested in knowing that so much of that date data is used by businesses and nonprofits can you talk a little bit about that sure so businesses use it to decide where to locate new outlets retail spots they use it to try to figure out what their markets are and what their labor force is what products they should put in stores I'm thinking particularly of target and I know one of the census census champions that we have working right now on the census has a long background in in target figuring out where stores should go in Minnesota it makes a lot of sense yeah something I don't know everybody thinks about it and I think Susan doesn't that government state government also uses a census for things like emergency services social services the people where the the demographics that might drive that right that's right and even you know across across all kinds of programs not just ones that require a population count but ones that require rates so even health programs you know what's the rate of diabetes you need to have that full count every ten years to know what what the denominator of those rates are okay let's go back to the redistricting piece of it because Minnesota is at risk of losing one of our representatives because we are so close to the line in terms of what's required to keep that eighth representative can you talk a little bit about that and the impact of that sure so Minnesota in 2010 after the 2010 census we kept our eighth congressional district by just over eight thousand people we were the very last state to receive a seat the very last seat was doled out to Minnesota and we're right back in that same position again in 2020 the estimates right now have us potentially losing a seat somewhere between about seven to twenty two thousand but that's a number that I believe we can make up for with with a good count and I think a perspective is you know population Minnesota's about 5.7 million people one percent if we miss one percent of the people that's 57,000 people that's the difference we have eight seats or seven seats and that difference is huge because if we have seven instead of eight representatives those seven representatives are going to have to represent a whole lot more people and we're going to lose an elector that's going to the electric college because that the number of Senators and Representatives of what determines how many electors Minnesota has at the national level for presidential election so that's right it has consequences for how well we're represented in Washington and how well we're represented in in st. Paul at the state legislature as well there are a lot of communities they may not feel comfortable talking to government or reporting to government that they're living where they're living how do you build trust with some of the harder to reach people so that they feel comfortable filling out the forms or even talking to someone so our strategy has been to work with community organizations and advocates and and neighbors who already have the trust of people who we know are going to be less likely to respond to the census so we're working on release working through relationships that already exists and getting out in front of the census mailing it's really been a kind of peer to peer neighbor to neighbor a type of a campaign I think one of a couple of things there's there's a state level complete cal committee which which the demographers office and leads with the state and we participate in that but there's last night look about 250 complete calculations true out the state and some of these are based in churches some of these are based in community organizations and universities and and so they're each working with their community to communicate reinforce the census shared information and with them about how they can participate why it's safe to participate in the census so in for us at the league we're really focused as Susan said is engaging those trusted messengers and those communities helping of information and resources to help them get that message out to those communities so what happens first the census is going to start pretty soon what will people see when they get the first information about the census what would that look like the first mailings will go out in mid-march so will blink and the mailings will be out and it will invite for most people in Minnesota it will invite them to go online to fill out their form online for a small proportion of those living in the state they will receive a paper form right away and what will happen if you do not fill out that form or you do not go out online or go online to fill out your form is you'll receive another mailing again inviting you to do so if you do not respond to subsequent mailings eventually you will get a paper form everyone will have the option to fill out a paper form if you don't want to go online and you're also able to respond by telephone oh that's a nice yes Susan is there some point at which if people respond they won't get another card or letter or form what the bureau has designed is that once a form is scanned by the post-office it registers back at the bureau and they should not receive it there may be a few that cross in the mail but they should not receive subsequent mailing after mailing after mailing absolutely so a real incentive to get on this right away and fill out this that's right and and and I'll say you know by the ends of April if they don't answer the form that's when census takers come out to doors and start knocking face-to-face to to collect that information and / in person and that can be a real incentive to to fill out that form because those census takers only go out into houses that that don't respond I was wondering how the homeless get counted I mean they're not going to be able to get even a postcard generally so how does that work yeah so there is an operation everything in Census Bureau speak is an operation there is an operation specifically to count homeless people where they are if they are in a shelter that they stay in normally they're counted at that shelter even if it's an overnight shelter they're counted on census night in that shelter so specifically working through the organization where people stay if people are out on the streets unsheltered on census night there is another operation that goes out to count people where they are and part of what we're doing it through local organizations is making sure that everyone is aware that that's what's going to happen so no one is afraid or surprised by it that local providers tell folks this is this is how this works and this is this is this is how census takers will be making the count on on April 1 now college students are their own particular entity well and that's a great plan you know we've we've answered a lot of questions and we provided some tools on our website others as they recall students fall into basically four categories if you're going to college living at home you're counted at home and with your parents if you're going to college and you're in a dormitory then university counts you similar to people in other group housing then that'll be where you get counted if you're going to college and living in an apartment or something of that nature then you respond to the census in that apartment or where you live and then finally if you're a college student who's abroad for a semester then you don't get counted and at this because you're not living in the country at that point so is can be complicated about what you respond to and so if you're a parent with a child at college if they're living at college you know in our case our daughter went with college in Iowa and so so she got counted in Iowa and so just keeping that in mind I've heard that that hurts the hearts of many mothers I will say the group that we're most concerned about it as far as college students go is the group that are living off-campus and that is because the housing that they're in can be hard to find sometimes it might be you know multiplexes that we're not sure that that that we're not sure kind of how many units are in there we're not sure how many people and the college students themselves may not know that they are responsible for counting everyone who's staying in there in there yeah that's a huge issue right yeah so what about people who are scared to give out their information is is there information out there about how this and all their personal information is going to be protected absolutely so the Census Bureau the data that it collects is protected by special laws unique to the Census Bureau that protect the data from being released at the individual level for 72 years so any data that goes into the Census Bureau cannot be released again for 72 years except for at the aggregate level meaning at a higher higher level than just the into vigil person so the data that are collected in 2020 will not be released until 20 92 which is a number that kind of we don't talk about numbers like their dates like 2092 out in the future this may not be convincing to folks who are fearful but people who are spreading the news should know that the the data really are protected by specific laws just for the bureau it's not like other data that's collected by any other state or federal agency right and I think it's really important there's there's multiple layers of encryption that the census uses since the Spiro uses to protect that another thing is that everybody who works for the census is held to that law and they're required to maintain that confidentiality whether somebody works at the Census Bureau processing forums or it's the worker comes to your door they're all they are all under that same law to maintain a confidentiality so really no census data can be traced back to an individual their information will be used in the aggregate to inform a lot of other things but not their personal specific information that's right and I'll also say kind of we're talking about very basic demographic information we're not talking about sensitive data that we're used to putting into our laptops anyway we're talking about things like age and race ethnicity sex very very specific very very kind of so the demographic so those are the kinds of questions that are going to be on the online or you know on the paper there's only like seven questions oh okay I mean it's your name is your date of birth it's it's there's one question about Hispanic non-hispanic gender and race and then there's a national origin question which basically it's whatever you identify yourself to be I've talked to the demographic Center about this and because people were confused and that's really it right just basic basic stuff nobody's asking you for things like Social Security number critical if anybody starts asking for a really first information it'll read blanks you can walk and there's a number to call to find out you know you know one report potential fraud there's also a number to call if you want to check if somebody's a census worker and and the Chicago office say you know this is the person who's at my door and is this person a census worker and they have an ID they should be able to show you an ID that shows their since this worker has the Department of Commerce symbol on it so you know so there's some things people can do they should you know if somebody starts asking a lot of personal questions they wear it flags should go up Wow so talking about the census questions are those census questions going to be available in different languages how are people who don't really fluent in an English language supposed to answer yeah so the form is available in English and in Spanish and there's varying levels of language supports for an additional well fifty nine languages in in whole so there are kind of full supports for some languages that are spoken widely across the u.s. but there are other groups in Minnesota that are spoken a lot here in Minnesota among and Somali for example that don't have the same representation at the national level but there are some supports there they're just not the the form isn't translated there's a video guide that kind of walks people through in English in the native language kind of how to how to translate each question yeah right and my understanding is that there's twelve foreign languages that the form will be available in and and there's in those twelve languages you can also do it over the phone and and that's you go to a Census Bureau site there's you know when they're ready they will post those phone numbers and each language will have its own phone number that you can call because I you know I had that question about what somebody wants a foreign language form you get on an English form in the mail how do you know and there's how do you get the foreign language form so I'll make call but there's a phone number for each one of those twelve languages are there any particular scams out there that people like that you're aware of or that people need to be aware of you can you mentioned people ask you for specific like your social security number I think not that I'm aware of yet but I think we are already readying ourselves to kind of combat that do you counter that because this is in in essence this is a whole operation that is legitimately collecting information about everyone which is something that typically sets off red flags for folks so I think everyone needs to be aware if they're hearing things that just aren't right to call that number and make sure that that what you're hearing really is legitimate good good advice I think people should be aware that they'll likely be things in social media or elsewhere where people try to intimidate or scare people from participating in the census for whatever reason and that people should be advised the extra some healthy skepticism in the face of those kinds of things that's good to know now if people have questions or they've gotten this form online if they have a question about filling it out do you have numbers that people can call all kinds of libraries across the state and organizations that are joining an effort to be a questionnaire assistance center and on our website we have a list of all the questionnaire assistance centers that they're still forming they're still coming online but there's where they're hovering right around 200 places where you can go and ask questions and have help filling out your form I think that that list is going to have the hours have hours languages yeah so so I think there's another resource that the demographic Center is put online as the census help desk and it's a text system if somebody has a question on census it's basically MN 2020 which is six-six 2020 from your text six-six 2020 and then type in your question it'll get back here so automated service but it'll get back to you and there's also I think services available that also will serve and I think the Somali is offline yeah there's like they have an FAQ there's an FAQ line that you have for them so for the Somali it's a number you call in and listen to different options and for Hmong in Spanish you can also text in and get a response in language thank you and it also has a feature where if you want updates or reminders about the census if you are really interested you can do that also that's wonderful so I know you were looking for census takers are you still looking for socialist acres and what can people do to help you know yes still in Mead I will say that Hennepin County is getting closer and closer to its goal which is you know our largest County its application goal that doesn't mean that it still has or that it has reached the right number within Hennepin County within each community but overall the numbers are looking much better for him in a pink county the story isn't the same outside of Hennepin County there are there are different counties that are looking better right now we're at the beginning of February they had hoped to have all the hiring or the applicant applications received by now and that's been extended just because we're just we're just that's good for the public yeah well a question who can be a census who can work for the Census Bureau so you need to be 18 years of age and older you need to be have an English language proficient proficiency you need to pass a background check and and they're really looking for people to come from the communities to do the work in the communities where they live do you need to be a US citizen to work for the census so this is a point that people are a little bit confused about at the beginning and that's just because the answer changed during the course of the application period at the beginning the answer was you do need to be a citizen but I think when the Census Bureau saw that it wasn't getting the applications that they needed they open that up to anyone who has the ability to work so the the legal ability to work the visa to be able to work in the bank card maybe your green card that's right if you're allowed to work in the u.s. that then you can be a census worker okay and is there any need for volunteers like ordinary people I think I read someplace that translators would be helpful yeah absolutely so there are plenty of places where people can plug in to help you can one really great way to do that may be through the lead through their local complete count committee again as Paul mentioned that's a local committee that's focused on spreading the word about the census within each city or within kind of each cultural community of which they're apart and that information is on our website too you can find the person to call and say how can I help is there anything that we haven't covered that you think we should know about either one of you you know one thing that's of interest to a lot of folks is unique to Minnesota and that's that we have a lot of snowbirds who tend to be around they tend to be gone around April first when the census day or even March when the when the storms start coming out so one of the things I want people to know is that if they live in Minnesota for most of the time they can be counted in Minnesota but it's incumbent on them to go online and put their Minnesota address rather than their California address their Arizona or Florida address they really need to take the initiative to say I'm in Minnesota most of the year and so I will be counted in Minnesota even if I happen to be in Arizona I think and that's a great question because the other the other piece of this is if somebody has a lot of folks have lake houses and so they may get a notice at their lake house because the Census Bureau is looking at what addresses they're not looking at where people live and and so if somebody gets one at their lake house and wanted two regular home they should only respond to a place where they primarily live and you know there are people who maybe you know spend some time up with your lake house but then there other people has been primarily primarily lake house and have a apartment or condo in the city so think about where you primarily reside and that's where you respond and don't respond more than once it's gonna be tough to reach folks who have already left and so that's something we're gonna rely on our networks to say hey call your sister let them know that they can be counted right here in Minnesota and if something organizations can do is just let their their members know to get that information out there that that's not what they need to do counted to be kind of properly right and I think the other thing to emphasize is it's where you live as of April 1st so people here responded made mark they responded mid-april but it's where you live where you reside in April 1st but if there's no birds and are out of the country but if they're only gone for a vacation ok gone for cooking months to respond or that primary residence is a first now somebody relocates you know they they live in they close one house on March 15th they you know and they close in a new house on March 31st then that new houses were to live on April 1st and I may not get a census form in that or notice in that new residence but they can still respond online they can still respond by phone they don't have to have that notice in the mail to do that Wow it does get complicated doesn't it it's more complicated than you would think and you know it seems like it should be just straightforward just go count all the people but they're moving around and they have multiple houses and yeah it's can you tell me the websites people should go to for information for both of you Susan what's your website if people have questions so ours is MN gov slash 2020 census ok and for the League of Women Voters Minnesota is w WL w v MN org look at it and where we stand and there's also some things further down our page it says 2020 census so it's one our biggest issues this year wonderful that was very enlightening thank you both for being here it's really important information to get out and make sure we get everybody in this state counted so I really appreciate your time thanks for having the League of Women Voters grew out of the 72 years struggle to win the right to vote for women and because of that voting issues have been at the heart of what we do but there are other things we do as well we study issues we take positions and we lobby at the local state and national levels we're nonpartisan 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