foreign you're watching lmcc [Music] welcome everybody to the city of Saint bonifacius we are here for the construction projects on Steiner I already forgot I've been reading way too much stuff today we're going to do the industrial park first and then we'll do Glacier presentation so we have the engineers here to do a presentation um if we could hold all questions until he's done and if you are speaking you have to be up at the podium otherwise everyone else should be quiet so that we can hear everybody who's speaking please all right I'm gonna take it from there uh I'm Ryan Johnson assistant city engineer and Saint bonifacius uh project engineer with Bolton and mink uh Jake Salisbury is also here city engineer um so you're here tonight to hear about the 2023 Street and utility improvements project this is the Improvement hearing as part of the the project process uh this was a project that was identified in the the Capital Improvements plan here last year as kind of a priority project with uh streets with poor quality pavement some utility issues in the industrial park area I was kind of identified by Council and staff as an important thing to improve in town tonight's presentation format kind of run through the timeline of how the Project's going to evolve some of the key issues that come up with it on the project scope of what's what all is included in this project what we're doing in each location and the cost information that's associated with that also we'll touch on Project financing and funding there's different different sources that can pay for the project and how we uh pay for that then I'll go through the city assessment policy how assessments were estimated with this project and the project costs which will include the assessment area map um then we'll run through project cost summary for each section of town and what's covered under each piece and then we'll follow follow through with the next steps in this project process and where we go from tonight and then following that the uh you have open questions and comments any concerns that you have that's the piece I guess that we'd like to split out have the Industrial Park area to ask questions first just to kind of keep on the same topic rather than jump back and forth the presentation will mostly it'll cover both as we go through each uh our timeline so far so at this time we've already completed soil borings um core pavement or pavement cords to see what the depth is of the existing streets uh full topographic survey as needed which gets us all the vertical information and utility things that we need City staff has gone through a lot of the utilities already kind of assessing what needs to be repaired if stuff's in good shape or bad shape um and identifying issues that we can repair we also completed a feasibility study which that's where this assessment and the scope and everything kind of began or where we're kind of presenting that here tonight that's where all the data comes from all the cost estimates and all that stuff uh the feasibility study was approved by Council and then they called for a public hearing which is what we're doing tonight um so the items that remain tonight we're at the public hearing to let everybody have input and discussion on the project the next step in the process would be the authorization of final design an ordering of improvements um that would be to to say yes go ahead and make the construction plans and specs so that's that that would be the following step as we received the order to make those and then pull in the bank would put the plan together the actual final design of exactly what's going to happen at this stage it is pretty high picture we know mostly what we're going to do but we don't know exactly on your property sort of detail um so then they would also authorize the advertising for bids so that's putting the project in the paper and online for construction contractors to bid on it and then following that we would open bids and award the contract to the low bed contractor and then we would obtain project financing throughout that process the city would work with their financial advisors and make sure that everything's in order uh then this summer we would actually do the construction on the streets and the utilities uh and then in the fall when construction is close to completed and we have final projected costs we hold an assessment hearing which then gives you the final assessment everything that you see today is an estimate the final assessment and the final cost of the project will be will be presented later this fall and then finally we would close out the project and complete Construction um some of the key issues on on this project uh the pavement is in very poor condition and both the Industrial Park area and Glacier and Partridge Road it's there are a lot of potholes you guys have all driven over them lots of patching lots of Maintenance work for City staff in the industrial park area It's actually an inadequate section it was when it was constructed on the on the poor soils out there it was a little bit thinner than it probably should have been um we're going to come through and reconstruct that completely putting a bigger thicker section in there to hold up to the heavier traffic one of the things that is included in the study is adding and adding a sidewalk on Glacier it'd be on the south side of the street kind of extending from the storage facility towards the West with this plugged into the way other improvements we would have would be in the drainage facilities which is your storm sewer and ponding this is primarily in the industrial park area as you're tearing up the whole street that's the opportunity to repair the storm sewer that goes along with it and make sure that that's all flowing correctly uh the the pond in the industrial park area could potentially be cleaned out what happens is it gets full of sediment over the years that pond was built in the 70s all the the pavement and tires and stuff slowly adds up and then you lose your capacity in the pond um that we're going to survey that this spring and find out if it needs to be cleaned out to get the capacity back um and then we also have spot repairs throughout the city the majority of which are kind of catch-based and related sometimes and and they're noted as the red points in the in the project um these are identified as City with City staff and rather than doing it as a standalone project if you put it together with a larger project we tend to get better costs on those things Municipal Municipal utility facilities so with the uh the full reconstruction of the industrial park that water main is pushing 50 years old which for a ductile iron water main is getting to its life expectancy so when we don't last thing we want to do is reconstruct that street and have a water main break to come out and tear it up again so that was identified as a big Improvement that's needed in that area along with some spot sanitary sewer repairs um it also gives yeah that opportunity to repair the inadequate utility infrastructure underneath the streets so I kind of touched on the The Steiner Steiner Street and Palmer Place in the industrial park we are improving that to a truck route section so again they have the heavier traffic in that area and when it was kind of built next to the lake there it's poor soils and it just kind of pushes it all around leading to some extra damage so we're going to put in a thicker section including sand and drain tile underneath it to help alleviate any of that subsurface water as well we're adding we're replacing curb and gutter in the entire area and then also adding curb to the North Side Up by Highway 7. currently there isn't any right now and we would add a little strip on the north side it includes full storm sewer replacement as I discussed before you're tearing up the entire Road and so those existing catch basins and stuff will need to be replaced uh the potential Pond cleaning that I touched on as well and the total estimated project cost for this location is uh for the storm and streets is 1.827 million uh the proposed sanitary and water improvements in this area uh we would basically just replace the existing older water main that's in place and also in 2020 we had identified city-wide sanitary sewer um what was good and what was bad some of the improvements we could make in this past year we improved the majority of the town with some lining you probably saw some of the equipment around town in the industrial park area we did not make the improvements at that time because we're going to be digging up the streets it was more cost effective to do it with this project we'll be replacing everything with the water main hydrants valves curb stops Services everything all at once and then cathodic protection it's uh you use that when we have it's corrosive hot soils which saint bonifacius has and lots of Carver County does that those soils kind of eat away at at iron and water main stuff like that so what we do is we put in like sacrificial anodes stuff that will take that corrosion away from your actual facilities now the total estimated cost for this utility work is six hundred and forty four thousand dollars uh the proposed improvements for the glacier Road and Partridge area uh this would be a street Reclamation so um I don't know if anybody's ever seen a reclaimer they're a very big machine that come and basically tear up the entire Street and make it into gravel uh they stay so we keep the curbs in place that is not we'll replace some that's cracked and broken but it's pretty minimal uh but the reclaimer tears up the bituminous the blacktop on top and the aggregate mixes it all together and recompacts it as a good combined base um sometimes you'll hear like a melon overlay that just takes off a little top of it a little top of the street and you just kind of repave it this kind of rebuilds the whole street in place that's kind of a high quality maintenance job as I could describe it on the sidewalk extension as I said before is a long proposed along the south side of Glacier Road extending from the storage facility um almost to the City Line there oh and then we would have spot curb replacement which generally is between like 10 and 25 percent of the curb uh we'll identify that here in the spring of what what needs to be replaced um but it should be pretty minimal and then it gives us the opportunity for spa utility repair um City staff has looked at some of the valves if valves aren't turning not working properly again this is a good opportunity while the street is torn up to replace those and fix those uh the total estimated project cost is 2 million seven hundred and seventy thousand for this area foreign Project funding and financing the project would be funded through the sale of chapter 429 General obligation Bond or combined Bond this is part of the state statute 429 the special assessment process Bond apportionment portion meant a project cost will be determined later determined later as the city discusses it with their Financial Consultants of how exactly that will get funded um but we're proposing it as a Project funding sources of a special combination of special assessment the existing sewer water and storm water funds and also from the general funds um the assessment policy so how how is this put together on the city's assessment policy provides a uniform and Equitable policy for all Property Owners so what we did it's a 25 project cost assessment so 25 percent of the entire project is goes towards a special assessment oh that's part of the the city policy so in the industrial park area we gave one unit per lot and one unit so that's for the street portion and then for the utilities it was one unit per existing water service so if you had water um you're getting charged for the water replacement in the glacier and Partridge area all single family residential homes were charged one unit per parcel um in the commercial area the assessment was done by taking the average front footage of a residential lot which I think was 104 feet so if it was in excess of that average residential lot um we multiplied that by the their actual front footage so for example if we had a 100 foot lot and the commercial property was 200 feet they were assessed two units I guess that's the the easy way to explain that um and then the glacier and Partridge the multi-family homes uh they were assessed the same way as the commercial whereas we took the full front footage because they were they were odd shaped Lots so we had the the full front footage and that was also then that was divided by the number of units per parcel as well um and then Pond cleaning and the miscellaneous repairs were not assessed all the other work was uh this shows the industrial park assessment map uh they're 15 15 Parcels in this project Area 13 of which are going to be assessed and one lot is a city owned lot that's the pond area so the city is also being assessed as you know they own property in that location um the estimated Street and Sewer reconstruction assessment per unit is 30 822.69 and the estimated water main assessment is nine thousand five hundred and three dollars and thirty five cents um yeah so the glacier and Partridge Road area there were 119 properties in this project location um 116 of these properties are proposed to be assessed two of which are City Lots they're the two parks in the area there are five commercial lots and 12 multi-family Lots there are three residential lots that council did not feel should be assessed they're allowed six seven and eight they're actually they're too small they're very small on the north side of Glacier that they wouldn't be buildable so that is why those were excluded um as they could never build a home on that site the estimated Improvement assessment per unit is 4935 and 36 Cents and the project cost summary so the the total estimated project cost is 5 million two hundred and sixty nine thousand uh broken out the industrial park is about two and a half million and the glacier and Partridge Road area is two million seven hundred and seventy thousand uh the miscellaneous repairs around town those red dots mostly storm sewer is approximately 27 000. the total amount that is being assessed which is basically the 25 percent of the project cost is 1.1 million uh this does not include the city assessed Parcels we included those with the total City cost so the city is uh the city's paying four million one hundred and fifteen thousand uh this does include 63 000 of the the city Parcels so the park and the pond locations uh when we're doing the assessment rates we use the an estimation of five percent for bonding uh this can fluctuate you know as the interest rates go up and down uh but we would secure financing here this spring or summer so whatever the interest rates would uh be at that time uh the next steps in this process uh tonight we're here with the Improvement hearing this is part of a required process of the state statute um the next piece would be order improvements uh that is on next week's agenda for February 1st the city council meeting and that requires a four-fifths vote uh per statute Again The Next Step would be final design and ordering of plans that's where we really get into the the nitty-gritty of how exactly do we Design This and what happens to your street or your your property uh there's a potential sometimes cities choose to hold an open house when we're part way through plans kind of have a good idea of what we're going to do uh sometimes a good time to just have more public opinion and see what um what ideas and comments you guys have uh that's an optional thing that that Council can ask us to do um then in the spring we would end up advertising bids again in the paper and online uh then we would open them and award the Project based on the low bid that would all probably happen approximately April or May of this year so that way we're ready for construction once everything thaws out so during that same process probably right after award would be obtaining project financing as the city talks to their financial advisors again um and then we would construct the project this summer I would probably last and I would guess most of the summer it's a pretty big project but again in final design we'll have a better we'll have a better idea of that and let everyone know as we as we get there with project emails website postings and and other things like that it'll be continually updated and then in the fall we would do that conduct the assessment hearing which when we have our final costs again these are all estimates um but hopefully they're pretty close so that the assessment hearing is when it would be your final assessment amount and then the the city has to certify the assessment role at the end of that with the county so that way the assessment would go on the tax roll um if not paid prior and then we complete construction and close out the project all right with that we'll open up questions and comments with the uh anybody involved with the Industrial Park area please start with them if you're talking could you please go up to the microphone just state your name and address for the record and then you can ask a question Michael Ivers m i properties 4385 Steiner Street uh I own the business the very end of the street so I'm wondering how that would be handled as far as you know our business traffic during the project um we've got customers we've got our own units in and out um obviously we can't be shut down for you know a long period of time if any yeah uh on that Dead End Street like that it does make it more difficult but we always have there will be times and we'll work with you of when there's an actual closure say we're working on the sanitary sewer right in front of you it's going to be difficult to get in there but you know we'll we'll work it through with you and find say a low time or a best day for you but in general most days you'll be able to get in and out all right because another big concern of mine is we Haul oversized loads so we have loads up to you know 14 feet wide coming through and obviously with construction I can foresee some problems there yeah so you know obviously want to keep that in mind all right as this project is moving along because that just puts us at a standstill if we can't get in and out of our business um see if I had any other questions so it's go ahead just gonna say as you mentioned during the sanitary sewer that'll be the challenging with with the roadway we we do require the contractor to maintain access to properties okay typically they look at doing half at a time or something similar to that so again we'd have more detail later on but you're yes your your concern is is valid and we are we are aware of it sure and like if you if you do know there's a delivery coming you know you'll have our contact info please let us know sure we can't always foresee that I mean we get a call that a guy's boats down and you know we need to get it out of the water and back to the shop you know it's not going to be you know necessarily something that can wait um so as far as the water and the sewer are they just going to the curb we have a hydrant all the way back to our property I mean will they be replacing that hydrant will they be replacing lines back there you know how is that going to work uh that's not the intent for that for that area we would basically stop at what would be this the right away like at the cul-de-sac but the hydrants themselves would be replaced yes even further down uh well I know that one Loops back to 92. yeah so that goes through my property it goes to a hydrant and then it goes continues on and goes over to 92. so the limits would stop at that right away on the culture so if there is a hydrogen further on that would not that is not part of the project right now as far as these assessments can these be paid rather than financed yeah I think yes yep so as part of that assessment hearing that's coming up uh you you will be notified of the options with that you can pay in full okay um and then you have you have 30 days after that assessment hearing to do that with no interest you know no no added costs added to that and that's done after the completion of the project that would be yup so that would be after the assessment hearing to be determined you know probably in the that October time frame uh the city council has to certify the assessment role by November 30th in order to get it on the 2024 taxes okay so ideally that hearing would be before October 30th just so the timelines work out but yes paid in full if you don't want to do that you don't have to do anything and then it would go on your taxes sure and roughly six percent yep to be determined but that's what's estimated and then with that same notice at that time there's also instructions on if in in the event you want to appeal your assessment there's instructions about what what to do if if you don't feel that you're getting the benefit or you want to look look at that that's all that's also included in that same in that same paperwork all right I think that's all I have at this time thank you thank you does anybody else have any questions that they would like to ask about the one more you can hear me yep um I'm Carmen McCurry representing the Learning Center that's over there the child care center so with all the water stuff happening is there going to be water turned off there will be at times um but what what they do is they set up a temporary water system so it would only be down for a few hours once in a while and we always notify ahead of time so that you can prepare for it but a lot of times when they replace the full water main um there's a temporary water it's basically like it's a very small one that they set up in the yards just so that water pressure exists and you you are able to use it most of the time all right and so how are we going to get your contact information or you get our contact information um I have cards I have a pile of cards over there and as we move through the project we'll we'll send out flyers we'll send official memos we'll send updates we'll probably have something on websites or emails yeah at a minimum you'll be getting a letter the same mailing list that we have here that says you know here we have a rough schedule here's what we have here's the contact information whether it's Ryan and maybe an on-site person we'll have additional information case there's whatever special needs or access issues or a delivery like the gentleman mentioned so you know who to get in touch with for such items okay and can we give you more than one address or email or whatever yeah the more information we get from you guys the better okay that's always good for us too perfect thank you thank you any other Industrial Park questions comments uh Eric Anderson uh Saint Bonnie fire chief just wondering in the industrial park area will we beat down fire hydrants during that period there will be a time yes we notify the emergency services such as yourself so everyone's aware of what's going on you know depending on where the exact construction is we could possibly turn something on in an emergency um we can't use it for potable use it wouldn't be tested yet but we'll make sure you have contact information as well and you're aware of it so so you know you might need some assistance in the unfortunate event of a fire well there's this water system isn't limbo but very very good question very important question okay that's all I have thank you thank you chief when else for the industrial park all right should we split it up between the Glacier and trees at the same time all the same time okay so we'll open up the floor to anyone who would like to ask questions about um hardwood or Partridge or Glacier either one well yeah all the other ones spruce does anybody have any questions if you just go up to the podium please read winter 8954 Pheasant Lane um so on this list that you sent out there's only 26 homes out of 96. why is there only 26 assessed versus all 96 in the town homes so on this list there's only there's 10 on Quail Court and 16 on partridge so what happened to the other poems I think they're aren't they as listed as a b c d for each number is that how is that what you're looking at thank you so there's so this will be like one building on each of those so so the assessment hearing data was taken from the county records and there's a total of 96 homes so right here there's only 16 yep and there's only 10. they keep going there's another page okay so I just didn't get the other page that possibly yeah I guess if that's what you received in the mail or yeah I suppose did we just mail out the specific property not the full assessment put up in our neighborhood too yeah okay yeah okay yeah we we got them all yep so so all the town homes are included uh Ryan mentioned earlier that assessment per unit so the math on that town homes worked out to be 0.18 units so that whatever that number was it was close to five thousand dollars the proposed assessments listed there are you know 18 percent of that so that's that 888 number for the multi-family properties so if you take that 5000 and divide it by eight it comes to 616 so how did you get to the 888 the 88 oops sorry go ahead wow that that's what the bonding interest usually that's what probably brought that up the six percent over the 15 years so it's it's that final price and then that's back back so if you take the low bid I guess this is just a general question who's to say that they don't take the low bit I mean I've done bids my whole career can they come back and then say Oh by the way we need an extra million and a half you know what I mean because like when you get to the end of the project they say oh my gosh we didn't see this here so we we will have yeah we will we will fight against that as best as we can there are contractors that try to get every nickel they can but we have contract language to prevent such things we have assurances in place we'll also have an on-site representative to inspect everything if they say no I put in 10 000 feet of water maybe not eight thousand we'll say no you did X speed on this day x speed on this day so we'll have some checks in place we'll also have some quality control and some testing to make sure we get the products that are specified so there's several several different steps to that but the intent is to minimize that to the extent possible and if there is an extra we would know about it ahead of time they have to if they're requesting any sort of change they have to get approval ahead of time before they even do it so we can look at that price and bring it to the council if it's uh if it's needs to be discussed all right so my main question was just thank you hi I'm Lisa Knutson 8916 Pheasant Lane one of the questions that we had is we just had in our HOA in our town home area we just had all of our roads redone with this exact same thing that you're talking about how you're redoing them and we living on Pheasant Lane technically don't live on partridge we use that as an access road but we don't live on that road and we already paid as our through our homeowners association to have our road fixed so how did how did you decide to assess our association each of us specifically versus assessing our homeowners association as a whole for this project especially since it's only used as a Entrance Road into our neighborhood and then you have the others um technically a lot of the community that comes in I know it's minitrista not St Bonnie on that side but a lot of them use our road come through our road along with also the traffic that comes in to use the Dakota Line Trail so by by law the city can't assess in the miniaturista so that that that's not an option um as far as as far as your town homes um Ryan I believe the front footage was listed to the property owners not to The Townhouse Association is that is that correct yes so the legally years Townhomes are set up differently typically we assess what shows up on the county records as being owning the property that's adjacent to the streets sometimes it is the association and then your units are set back this one was this one was the other way um so we so it's set up to assess the individual Property Owners um you mentioned property being whatever off of Partridge Road yep we we understand that uh president has been said before for property such as yours that obviously you have to access you're on a private road but you have to access Partridge Road no matter what so you are getting that that benefit so that's why that decision was made that way not not the way you want to hear it but yeah um and then as far as the association assessing you that's I mean that's a complete really separate item by law they don't even have to tell us anything about it I didn't know that had occurred but that's uh with the way that is configured they have the right to do that separately for the private roads and then the city has the right to do it for the public roads okay um our roads aren't maintained by the city so yeah Partridge Road is the other one but none of the other things are um so that's another question that we all had was you know we don't have a lot of that maintenance I mean we pay the taxes for the city but the city doesn't do besides the main road doesn't do anything for our maintenance for our roads and through our association we just had all of our roads redone um correct so the benefit you receive is what's on Partridge Road itself and we acknowledge that is less than what others receive hence that .18 unit the way that math worked out so you're so your assessment is you know 18 of the single-family property homes for that versus The partially for that partially for that reason okay and that 18 is that per lot so it's it's for our whole section and then it's divided between all the the whatever 10 units on per each section is that correct or is it the 1.8 per each unit what's in that test go ahead yeah we took so similar to like the the commercial area so the entire front footage along Partridge um it you know it's technically split up into odd shape Parcels yeah we took everything that was that whole foot let's call it 500 feet okay um I don't know what off the top of my head but so that if it's a hundred dollars per foot at 500 feet total is five thousand then we just divide it evenly between all of us we're all homeowners correct okay okay and then um um and then I think that's all we had you said that you can't have you tried working or can you do anything I know you said that you can't do anything because miniature says it's its own City um but with it being access road for a lot of miniaturistic residents as well did you work with that City to try to come up with some kind of subsidizing or anything like that to help with the we we tell them what we're doing in case they have a similar Improvement if there's any reason to try to coordinate things that was not the case here but uh nothing to do with subsidies or anything like that generally just here's what's planned do you have anything planned is there any benefits or and that was not the case here okay and how much of the The Partridge Road part is um city that you guys are subsidizing with us since we have the park and everything there and the Dakota line the trail access and everything within our Partridge Road area so that is also they're also being assessed in the same way you are the city is assessing themselves for the park property so it's completely fair for every every piece of property okay so that is nothing that that the cost to do that is not included in the assessments to the to the town hall the town homes okay thank you yep thank you Nathan thiessville 4360 Forest Road a couple questions one how do you see the traffic flow during we're down on force and Aspen so during this time I'm guessing there's going to be quite a bit of congestion kind of like you talked about Steiner how do you see that working out for you've got morning traffic you've got buses you've got afternoon traffic um yeah it's it's going to be part of the process Construction sadly can be painful and kind of obnoxious or travel once in a while but it's it's part of the process and like I said we we work with everybody the best we can to get notifications out we'll have somebody on site every day so that if somebody is stuck or something they can quit we can quick move stuff around as best as possible to accommodate everyone the the good news here is that with the reclaim um there isn't significant excavation work that it's not going to be the Deep utility work like in the industrial park so that'll that will minimize the likelihood of there being an issue okay yeah with the reclaim so say they come on Monday and reclaim it you can drive on it right away right and so there's no area for improvement on the water basins as far as catch basins down forest and Aspen which has been horrible over the last probably 20 years potentially so that's one thing we're going to identify with City staff of what is what is bad so there will be some as we right so I mean when it when it rains it's it's a river coming down forest heading into Aspen and the homes down in Aspen on the other side you know it gets it's four five six inches of water constantly though in that area we have a couple lump some estimations included in there to cover some of those items but we haven't we haven't pinpointed all of those just yet but if you do have items like that please take my card and email me so okay we can and then lastly the kind of similar with the drainage by 92 in Glacier in front of Kathy mcintun in front of quick trip and then we're Glacier hits 92 is horrible it's either icy or it's full of water you know so kind of a similar question there as well yeah so we just discussed this last week actually I talked with Pete and and yeah it's definitely a bad spot we need to determine whether that's County right of way you know it's that right it's right in the middle there um I think we'll what we will look at is can we improve it improve it with our project as I said there will be some spot curb Replacements so that's probably a good candidate once we actually look at it very closely and okay uh but yeah that's a known issue that we know about okay thank you uh Todd State School 9019 Glacier Road um two things before we get to the sidewalk um can you high level talk us through the difference between a complete Reclamation of the road versus you had a word skim in the top two inches and and recoding in terms of cost duration of the project and then life expectancy and then impact on the neighborhood while it's happening I'm envisioning this big vibrating machine knocking stuff off the shelves for three days so maybe I'm right or wrong but can you tell us the difference high level on those two aspects of how you'd repair the road yep so I guess a quick overview of how the street lifespan Works um you know what it it varies by Street what's called 50 years for the day you construct it till the day you need to completely start over um a melon overlay is kind of a it's a maintenance practice that a lot of towns do or they they skim off the top two inches or so um it's kind of just a resurfacing that should be done every approximately five years or so so if these roads are pushing 20 years and we haven't done that at all um it becomes very poor condition so if you do a million overlay it's you know a constant upkeep kind of deal a Mill and overlay will not touch the base of the road at all it'll just help with the surface so that you know the lifespan of a melon overlay depends on moisture and traffic and several different factors but a real General window is that 10 to 20 year time time frame that's a big Delta but given the traffic flow in those areas that we're talking about are we closer to 20 or 10. if well yeah I know it's a guess yeah we're not doing the middle and overlay project here but I would say we're probably closer to 10 on Glacier that's getting a little hit a little harder probably closer to 20 and some of the Less Traveled streets with a little bit better drainage so I think it kind of hits both of those targets versus so then what we're proposing is kind of that heavier Duty maintenance it's called the full depth Reclamation where they come through and they take that full Rock and bit section grind it all up and recompact it so it's a good solid base one thing with melon overlays is it's just that surface deal so that crack will come back and water can get in with this recompaction and grinding everything together it gives you a good solid base and should hold up much better for a longer period of time yeah so your your lifespan now you're looking into that definitely north of a melon overlay you're in that 20 to 40 year time frame again on the various factors of the different roadways and then with adding some tile and fixing some drainage issues that'll further help that do both projects take about the same amount of time 90 days 120 days or is one three months and ones a year a return project takes takes longer than a million overlay project is that is that the question yeah significantly more yeah they both have the same with the curb spot Replacements you know you take out the bad curb you replace it that's pretty much the same either way with the with the reclaim you got to reshape the the base you got to do more grading work then you have to pave two different lifts as opposed to one lift so it takes you know twice as long to do a reclaim as opposed to Millen overly okay cost savings to do a melon overlay versus a reclaim uh the reclaim project is going to cost more but you get that added uh quality and that added lifespan like we said we're in that 10 to 20 we're now talking 20 to 40 so you're three to four times the length you know for very very round numbers you know three times the cost okay 40-year period it would be even but you're doing three times instead of once or twice okay I think that's one thing one thing to mention on that comparing the two uh the quality of the road currently a melon overlay would not fix anything really okay um it needs to be a constant maintenance practice okay impact on the neighborhood while these two things then my my description of this big machine that's shaking houses you're you're uh you're partially correct uh there will be noise there will be dust there will be a mess you will you will curse Ryan's name when you drive home from work at night uh once or twice once or twice um the bulk of the vibration and the your house shaking is more to do with trench compaction with the clay soils whereas we're staying up higher so there will be there will be some noise with some vibration but not not as not to the extent you'd see in a full Recon area with more extensive work so is there a history of data to how it affects foundations and structures themselves um we uh we do vibration monitoring when we're getting close to very very old buildings we haven't had any issues in the neighborhood such as this okay so this is something we consider you know if we were doing this perhaps along 92 there where we have 0 foot setbacks on some buildings that are 100 plus years old then it would be a concern and we would look at some of that data but here here it's not not necessary all right we'll let Joe kind of add on to this piece and then we'll come back don't stay up here it's only going to take a second Joe Anderson 8949 Glacier Road you guys are talking about the mill you know the milling and you're you're kind of giving it a bad name from my experience I have a lot of experience in it um is that when you did your testing is the base material on glacier is there a problem there did you did you find that because typically the reason you would Mill is because the base is structurally sound and you wouldn't want to disrupt it because when you go and you do a complete reclaim and you've got good bass and you pour out you pull everything out you take a chance when we talked about somebody asked about the price going up it's going to happen I can tell you right now it's going to happen the first day it rains the first day you drive over clay but as you walk down Glacier and you look at it seriously you don't see dips you do not you see little cracks which are standard in blacktop and when you talk about what did you say 10 years to 15 maybe on a million overlay it is still going to go through the cracks that's incorrect that doesn't happen that way so you're you're telling these people you're guaranteeing them that if they do a full complete tear out that they're not going to have any problems for 40 years I've never heard blacktop lasting for 40 years so I'm not sure what we're talking about here I just want to throw that two cents in there because I think I'd like to know what the base material what you found on the base you know what so because I'm not seeing it so the depths of the pavement course uh it was on average about six six and a half inches of bituminous so the blacktop on top of six inches of rock aggregate that's what the existing sections are in this part of town as far as the reflective cracking the city did melon overlay project in the entire North East quadrant 2013 2015 future in the not far too distant past they did they did the mill and overlay project that we were kind of talking about not what's recommended here and those cracks all reflected through within two years basically two freestyle Cycles um and there was some some unhappy folks thinking maybe we're supposed to have a brand new roadway well you know you don't have a brand new roadway you have a known overlay you have a new top portion of your roadway nothing was done with the base or the rest of it so it starts to look that way so that's that was part of the thought with some of the staff and Council about what happened up there and would like to do a little bit more down here okay thank you we'll switch gears can we talk about the sidewalk just for a second high level what problem are we trying to solve why are we adding a sidewalk why are we considering adding a sidewalk I live there I got three kids that are there and all over everybody's neighborhood they got balls and arrows and gloves in there for my kids the sidewalk was obviously constructed along the storage facility there to the east of you that that was discussed with that plan review and that was decided to do that with the obviously a different land use there right you're getting towards the whatever gas station in the storage locker so it was looked at as far as extending that West with Glacier being more of the collector Road where most people that walk or drive you know they tend to funnel to Glacier so um good comment something that the council would hear what I'm hearing is that you are you are opposed to having that sidewalk so so but but I want to without without getting too far in the weeds I want to go to the reasonings because what what we worry about is is that gonna you know decrease property values and that kind of stuff if I'm losing 8 000 square feet of my lot um or I got a truck that barely fits in the driveway now and now it won't stuff like that um what is that going to do to the traffic down our road what's the study that says we need a sidewalk and it's going to make it safer how is that going to affect the traffic going through from Glacier in Hunter's Crest coming through this way and is that going to propel the uh the humidity Council to pull those three big steel poles that opens up Glacier and increases all the traffic I mean those kind of things are what we're wondering about so the and I don't know anybody that said damn it I need a sidewalk because my kids aren't safe there so with this project the step we're going to ask the city council to consider is to order the improvements uh that does not include uh yes or no we're either going to do the project or we're not that that includes here's the scope that we want to uh include so the fact that you're opposed to it I think it's important that the council hears that and it sounds like some of your neighbors may agree with that well but we want to know we want to know why okay so if you tell me there's a study that says if you add sidewalks the streets are going to decrease the amount of accidents caused by 85 percent great so you know those kind of things what's it going to do in my property value things like that that's what I want to cut yeah so in very general terms you know this there was not a study done on this little piece of the world you know just in just in general you're getting paid traffic off of the street onto the sidewalk so safety more to do with Peds than than vehicle safety items as far as property values there's varying opinions on whether that's a pro or con um so in my experience doing this engineering work this may sound odd but I say this it's 90 true whenever there's not a sidewalk and you say you want to add one it's supposed to whenever you have a sidewalk and you see you're going to take it out that's also a post so I don't know why that is I haven't figured it out it's sidewalks have been have been a tricky a tricky thing so I kind of tiptoed around your question a little bit but no I think you did well I appreciate it I I think I just wanted to raise the concern that if it's going to go in what impact and what what problem are we trying to solve why are we considering having it there and how would it change the the barrier at the end of Glacier Road brings in a whole bunch of different issues if that all of a sudden so that barrier would have to stay in place right that would have to stay in place unless this Council also approves it but to your is that is that a true statement correct okay and I don't know that I don't know if it's combined councils have to vote I don't know if you guys each get one poll I don't know how it works because it's on the border but to your point if there were a sidewalk there you know that the miniaturista vehicle traffic would not change unless that barricade was changed but I would expect you I would expect you'd see some ped traffic from anatrista that would come through that would be my assumption yeah yeah well it's cities would have to agree to that I don't think it's going to happen I hope it doesn't happen came that way ever anyway thank you [Applause] I have a question I don't live in that area so I don't frequent it on football though you've had everything down there is there a lot of foot traffic do you have a lot of people walking so you know there's where I was looking for data because we've got people in the neighborhood that walk their dogs and ride the kids and and that kind of stuff obviously seasonally but I wouldn't say there's a lot of foot traffic there okay I don't think there's a lot I mean I'll sit out tomorrow and watch how many people walk by my office there's two always stops right there right it's not like a 45 I'll start driving down there and seeing well it's winter now you can imagine a few of us have got together in the garage and talked about this already we don't know of a single accident that had harmed a child or a person we don't know of an animal that's been run over we don't know of a time when we were scared and God we need a sidewalk to get our kids off the street so we're trying to look for if there's data that I don't know about please convince me um if there's not this might not be a great idea to add on to the project there hasn't been any pedestrian Collins or anything like that done in this area it's just a just a general feeling that it's a larger larger volume roadway when it comes to head and bike traffic and if the houses were already set back further from the road it wouldn't make that big of an impact on my front yard if we I mean there's a lot of things that could have been different but as they are I think you're going to find most of the people out here are not in favor of a site yeah if a sidewalk were to go in there would be some Landscaping impacts to some folks there would be some small utility impacts maybe perhaps lighting or hydrants we haven't looked at the level of detail we have some assumptions for cost but you are correct there would be there would be impacts to to the folks on that side of the road all right thank you thanks guys sidewalk was discussed is because this is such a big project this is the logical thing to add to this project is to talk about sidewalks now so we're not saying we all think we all need a sidewalk this is just the appropriate time to talk about it and if we're doing a project this big this is when we should do it so you all understand that we're all not like all gung-ho about sidewalks but this is the appropriate time to talk about it we can decide whether or not we're going to do it that's why we want your input yeah yeah so thank you that's exactly what we're looking for in this kind of situation hi there I'm Wyatt with mcintunes Kathy mcintunes um I'm just kind of curious why we're being assessed because we don't use that road at all and you're not doing water improvements along Partridge Road either which would impact us and that would be fine but you're assessing us for the side of our lot which we don't really use so your lot is one that we spoke about um you're the only person being assessed who doesn't have access on the roadway so you bring up a valid point uh the city policy just goes by Frontage size so it's it's laid out about its size as far as the if you front a public road you will you'll be you'll be assessed for that roadway that's the way the assist the policy is laid out so that's why you are included yours is a property that I I uh would ask the council to take a look at to see what they think is is appropriate But to answer your question per policy um similar to the sidewalk discussion it doesn't mean that it would stay that way uh the council has until this future assessment hearing if we get to that point to make that determination yeah I don't know don't pay our share but it doesn't really seem yeah so for the council's benefit if you're familiar with their property they front on 92 and they have a lengthy Frontage along Glacier but no no access if you guys were doing say water improvements along that side of the street we use a lot of water but but you're we're not assessing for anybody working correct you are correct um our shares three times the cost of everybody else's and we're not even using that road so it doesn't really make a lot of sense to us at least yeah back to that yeah and I and if I'm not mistaken that actually that side of that lot is city property anyways that strip along there I don't believe it shows us that way on the counties information but because we have been told before by the city to mow that so that you'd mow it well well that's that's probably true what everybody mows their property that's in the roadway right away so maybe that's what you refer that's probably what you're referring to but it is the frontage you you front the the public right away but you're asked to maintain it to the curb so yeah yeah the previous Point Ryan made about the the commercial industrial type properties in this area you're assessed based on your average Frontage so you said yours is about three times I think I think you were like a 2.9 or two point yeah so his assessment is three times that of the the homes in that in that neighborhood yeah and we don't use the road so it doesn't really make a lot of sense to us and um super quick it really shouldn't affect anything but um as far as kids walking along that sidewalk throughout the 40 50 years we've been around we actually do hire a lot of kids from those neighborhoods behind there and it is kind of nice I have kids coming all the time that slip and fall coming to work and I don't know might be kind of nice to have a sidewalk there for our employees but for a reasonable cost so just my input on that thank you thank you Jay Jansen 8960 Glacier Road so I am here with the rest of the folks and I have my input is no sidewalk don't take down the barriers I've been here 22 years it's not necessary and if you're going to improve the road one way to keep it lasting longer especially if I'm going to be assessed don't put any more traffic on it it's not necessary does that make sense is that the input you're looking for and and so the other the other the other piece so logically to talk about it okay so we're talking about it what decision are you going to make and what are you going to make what decision are we going to make about what parts the sidewalk the sidewalk so we would ask the council to have input on that when they order the improvements so that would be at the upcoming council meeting on what date February 1st it's on Wednesday Wednesday one week from today okay do you need any other help from us to help with that decision I I think you're in what I mean not to speak for the council but but your input here is what we're looking for so if there's more if there's more that if there's more that agree with this gentleman feel free to and then if the sidewalk sure people with some of them some of them are six percent signatures other than the mac and tunes and our kids work there so I understand that so thank you for employing them and we'll continue to come and get me um if we had signatures from people would that help it I think it's clear that you don't want it I think so yeah I think we're all clear that you don't want it [Music] great because I know we're on TV so this is perfect yeah we're recording it um with respect to curb repair so one of the letters said if I get it right this is your assessment page eight proposed utility improvements will be spot repairs identified by City staff total estimated cost of water was it 134 thousand dollars and there's some amount that's helped me understand that hundred said 134 that would be given to an estimate could be like given to the city they have that money and then they decide to come out and look at the road and then fix something I guess I'm not I'm not sure where you're getting the number from but so we put an estimated cost in we have not identified every piece of curb yet okay so we put in a good get like I say in a lot of these jobs 10 to 25 percent of the curb is replaced generally so that's kind of the numbers that we used for these estimates that's not the cost of the curb and we go find everything we can yeah it would all be included in the project I'll be under one general contractor but we would identify those better identify those as to what we have right now if you're talking about the curb well the curb and utility repairs so when does that happen so in other words I have standing water in front of my house so the things we're concrete so do I need to be there because I've called the city before I had people come out and there was water bubbling through the pavement on from the house and nothing was ever done it's not trying to understand if you haven't made sure if you have an obvious one that's probably known by City staff and probably will be determined during a field visit so it's probably not a big concern but you can certainly email us that information otherwise at some point down the road there will be curb markings out there you'll see a x and an X we're taking off these three panels and you might say you need to go one more and you can let us know and if those minor adjustments we can make when the contractors stand in there at the saw we don't have to get super super technical in something like that okay so let's say you replace a section whatever that do I get assessed that cost or do my neighbors get to help pay for the fix part of the whole project cost it's not a part of yeah um in in [Music] the only thing I care about is whether I can get my boat out of my garage and through the mess you're gonna make um in your last meeting you talked about the fact that there would be signs you're going to replace City Signs that's in the industrial park is that also the distance laser to a replacement of the street signs yes okay can I propose some things to consider please do yeah 25 miles an hour so that now that some folks that I know have moved out they don't go through they don't go through the stop sign I don't think anyone does okay so the state statute recently changed that used to be that the answer to that question used to be an easy null because it was uh state state Authority that local roads were 30s the city now has some discretion if they go jump through some hoops and do a study and whatnot so it's not off the table um I'd have to look into that a little bit more but it that ultimate decision it's easier if there's a school zone and some of those things it's very simple to change the to change the speed limit in this case it would be a little more difficult there'd have to be some time and expense to ferret that out a little bit more but it's this the answer is not a hard the answer is not a hard no if like if you'd have asked two years ago I would have just said no sorry it's not that's not the answer any longer it's not as simple as just put one in the ground it's not it's not it's not that simple correct how great if it was that easy more simple just to put a sign at once you fix the drainage at Glacier in 92. also to put a sign that says Glacier Road doesn't go through we could adding a no Outlet sign would be a simple thing to perhaps help with some concerns yeah that's I'd like I like that I like that idea yeah I think that would be fantastic so regardless of the bid they're going to have to finish it in a certain time frame in other words they have to start on a certain date so that you ensure that as you lay down the pavement we have good pavement yeah as part of every project as part of the plan specifications we say must be completed by October 31st or November 20. there's always a timeline that they need to be done by and with that there's also temperature requirements you can't pour concrete below X temperature or between a square course there's other things aside from just that date but but yes is the answer to your question does that make sense I mean seriously to start and then as far as temperature to make sure it says yeah and I guess a lot of times in the beginning of the year it's the spring loading restrictions so when the mid knot has all the loading restrictions out contractors can't haul equipment anyways so it's typically after that when the thaw is out but this project would be beyond that anyway so it'd be more of a concern possibly on the back end once we figure out a schedule but together and then just help me understand 25 percent you said it was a city important so the city assesses 25 percent of costs and that there's obviously math involved with that but that's a decision the city's made many years ago and they've done that with their reconstruction and major projects for as long as I've been here I don't know Brenda if you know how far back that that goes but it goes back a ways yeah so that that goes back 20 plus years cities all cities are are different um so that there you go all right so yeah in my the communities that I work in though that this number is actually lower it's more beneficial to the property owners um most okay to that point so fit chapter 429 right yep that's what we're talking yep that's the one and it's up to the city council to choose what that percentage is that's correct yep okay and then how do we choose it how have we chosen 25 in Brendan so that was a decision made many years ago and then subsequent councils have followed that through and that's been the precedent and trying to keep it fair for when your Street's done versus when somebody's else somebody else's Street was done that that's that has been the number that's been used how long 20 years for sure 2002 projects yeah it goes back 20 years or more it's there's been several several projects here and so you said you work in other cities as well I work in other cities as well that assess at a higher rate than that just an example um it's hard to compare apples to apples but a couple of them they assess 50 but then they but then they exclude like if the Street's wider than than 34 feet to 36 feet they'll only assess the 36 feet which in this case your Screech that with anyway so but they would assess 50 percent and then a couple communities assess for some don't assess for storm sewer because they consider it to be cover the whole city whereas most most dues I do I'm curious what they use they use 50 of a standard Street so you're telling us we're getting a deal thank you I'm not going to put that on the record but 25 is generally favorable to the property owners um you know that's thank you for the microphone I'm having a hard time hearing you thank you thank you for sharing that you all appreciate that um and when it comes to you talked about a kind of a status meeting when you get close to having this design oh yeah sometimes we have an open house similar to this with a further along design so I have that question on my list of things to follow up with the city council to see if they want to do that unless they have any comments on that now if that's something that Council wants or doesn't want to do just it's not required but sometimes we invite the public in just a here's our draft plan set and some folks might want to say you know my I have a drainage issue here we've heard a couple things like that or I have a problem with my driveway and then we can make tweaks within reason to the plan and then also just kind of share where we're at so that was something if the council wants to do we can certainly do that we can absolutely do that oh yeah yeah it's not not a requirement of the 429 product but it's a good it would be it would be a lot less formal than this there wouldn't be microphones you'd you'd probably have a layout on the table come up and scribble what you like or don't like and we'll tell you if we agree or disagree and talk about it and I guess part of the question was would would that be just part of like one of your standard meetings or would it have to be outside of that typically we do it outside just because it's very informal the councils welcome to attend but you're not the intent would not be to engage the council and say you liked the project or you don't like the project that's what you can do tonight the intent of that meeting would be to say I have I want you to be aware of this issue or this issue or you just want to see where things are at and more more detail than what we have here with this high level stuff all right thank you um thank you very much appreciate it thank you thanks for your input hi this is uh Tyler wickesberg from 428 Walnut Road I'm kind of at the far Corner looking at the barricades and apparently where this proposed sidewalk might dead end the next time if it goes in or not um we'll just start off straight out just do not when we moved here seven years ago or close to seven years ago if we saw 100 plus feet of Frontage of a sidewalk on our side yard we probably wouldn't have bought our house I was looking at the section of sidewalk that the storage unit had to put in which they put it right up against the curb there's no green space no setback at all so when it snows that's where all the slushy snow and stuff off the road gets dumped that sidewalk right now is six inches of kind of crusty snow you get a warm day or two like I've seen people walking their dogs still on the street next to it because it's not safe yeah that's that's a good point the sidewalk maintenance would be the the responsibility of the property owners that's something that I guess was not mentioned but something that would was uh and I mean we signed up for heaven I have to shovel our mountain of our driveway at the corner of our lot but we didn't sign up for having to do that additional stuff and then as for like the rest of my neighbors along Glacier Road like when this area was developed close to 25 years ago the setbacks on a lot of those homes that are facing Glacier there's not a lot of distance there and you know running through there's you know between uh mailboxes and mature landscaping and just different some trees and other things there's City light poles that would have to come out plus all the communication lines and I think the electrical conduit kind of run along that side of the street and even if putting a sidewalk over the top of it now is okay if there's any sort of infrastructure improvements or work that has to happen with those Utilities in the future Then That Sidewalk is going to be an impediment it's an additional cost to the city into the city's taxpayers for doing doing some of that maintenance work long term where it's much easier to just go into somebody's grass or something like that that's there right now on top of the fact you'd have all the different driveways that are going to have to get monkeyed with or cut up in order to put a sidewalk down it's it just really limits the room and comparing like the frontage at like the area in minnetrissa on that side I think those homes appeared to be set back a little further than what some of the ones on Glacier are because I don't think that development was ever intended to have a sidewalk put on it um and then do our do we know is that last block and a half or two blocks in mini Trista is that still not going to have a sidewalk on it leading up to the barricade as far as We Know do you know the answer to that Ryan no I think we've discussed but that's yeah that's their determination really okay oh yes yeah and then I mean just looking at this project with you know redoing the city you know the city streets and things like that at this time with how everything's cost and so much more like if there's any way to limit like what the cost of this project is going to be to still give it as much bang for our buck and get the value that we need like I think a lot of people are here specific to that sidewalk is just looking for ways to not have some tack on items to try to save money as much as possible and to try to limit long-term maintenance and other issues like that for the neighborhood and for the city so thank you understood thank you Madam mayor council uh Ryan Jake Tom truffman 9119 Glacier Road uh two questions have you guys discussed redoing the pavement in Hidden View Park with this project yes yeah so we discussed it the other day but um since it wasn't part of the feasibility study it kind of would end up added after the fact as a City cost that piece wouldn't be assessed but we have discussed potentially adding that okay and as far as the assessed portion of the city what fund does that come out of that you guys would pay what what fun would the city pull out to pay their assessment of the taxes I suspect that would be a combination of how much of it is attributed to storm sewer how much is attributed to water Etc perhaps the park fund so to to be determined once we have more more detail on the cost and what exactly would comprise that assessment sounds good no sidewalks cheers members of the council legal counsel and everybody from the community my name is Muriel Phillip and I live at 9069 Glacier Road so I came here specifically regarding the sidewalks and I think it's important to punctuate this as others have done but we have no reason to have sidewalks and we have limited Frontage in the to the main Glacier Road anyway so um like the two gentlemen before me pointed out um there it would make more of a mess than do good and I do home office out of my home so I notice the traffic I see the kids are very well taught to walk single file I see the people that are out walking their dogs it's it's spread out throughout the day and so there's not a large volume of traffic foot traffic in that area and it's very people are very conscientious and careful I just love the neighborhood we moved in um late last fall and people are so considerate so careful and I just haven't seen any problems so I have my office right facing the road and I'm watching and I hardly ever see anyone and the kids like to say are seem to be very safe and so no sidewalks and I also would like to say I feel there should be enough first of all has there been an environmental impact study done regarding the ponds and all the drainage areas involved so an environmental impact study is not required we did do the testing in the pond per the mpca regulations a little bit different process than what you're just describing but we have followed all the all the required steps but the the Eis or the eaw or the EA none of those were required okay there will be permits from like the minneha Creek Watershed district and uh we'll have to follow all the mdh permits everything will be followed that is required okay and then the final notation I'd like to make is that and you said you're going to gather the bids and go with the lowest um I would strongly recommend or like or if it's a council than yourself to have an advisory committee to review the bids because like you know I'm saying you go cheap you get cheap yeah I meant to comment on this before so that the language is responsible and responsive usually it turns out to be the low bidder we we know who the usual suspects are around here we have a working relationship in the event there's a couple contractors that I we were not excited about we don't necessarily have to award to them but we have to have a good reason that that can stand up legally so that will also be reviewed it will be both responsive which just means submitting your bid right but then also uh responsible that's the part that's a little more vague so there is some flexibility for the council if we get a little bit of that we are not excited about or has a bad reputation that that may come into play okay thank you very much uh one final notation is if we do need to do a petition and the one gentleman had already started going out here I'm more than happy I have a lot of time to do this myself even though I run my own business I would be more than happy to go door to door to all the people affected to have a petition signed so feel free to call me my name is Muriel Phillip and if somebody started a petition I'll do this I don't think we're gonna need just for my life just for just for my own from the sidewalk now just for my information aside from the gentleman from mcintoons everyone closed your eyes so the neighbors can't see is there anybody here that's in support of the sidewalk okay okay I'm sorry [Laughter] well to do to keep our city safe and the fire chief so I'm really happy to be in safe body thank you very much thank you for your input Patrick Hank 4207 Walnut two words on the sidewalk I'm sorry my wife and I do a lot of walking we'll go over beyond the barricade into Minnetrista and when you hit the side box over there ninety percent of the time we're still on the street because the sidewalks are worse than the street especially in the winter this is what I mean but then the barricade situation during I don't know who's in charge of that or who wants it and who doesn't but during construction when it makes sense to open that up I think most people would probably disagree with that assessment okay well I'm retired I'm out in my garage a lot you want to lessen traffic you might want to open it up because so much traffic comes in here with people on their Google and run into that barricade and then come up on Walnut and turn around it's ridiculous and I've seen I know Tyler's got kids and uh my neighbor's got kids that just recently um this fall there was a truck semi comes through there I mean oversized truck super long semi what he's doing in there I don't know he got to the sign and he couldn't go through I watched him for 15 minutes trying to back into Walnut to turn around he finally gave up my neighbors went out to check on the kids because they're all riding their bikes right out there to make sure everything was going to be all right I talked to another gal that lives down on Spruce and glacier and she says I remember that that guy had to back all the way out to 92. now I understand that there used to be a barricade on Spruce at the line why is that open I I've lived in many different communities around the cities I've never saw a barricade between Bloomington and Richfield Maple Grove and Plymouth I don't get it I will attempt to answer that and Brenda you might need to correct me I think the spruce one had a different agreement that was tied to building number of homes that went in there was a trigger for that where that had to come out so once the horses were built and that it was designed it was intended to restrict the construction traffic and then once the homes were X percent built that would go away and the one on Partridge was that set up differently built in Hunters oh and so and that that threshold has not been met and glacier and Glacier was to be permanent wait she was okay okay so there's an agreement that's different Glacier agreements different than Spruce agreement okay and I I understand that that sign is all those signs are um Breakaway for emergency vehicles I think Eric left but I think I asked him one time he said I'd never drive our fire trucks through there you're gonna You're Gonna Lose tires going through there and then what a good are you yeah so it's really pretty ridiculous yeah I think those are bollards there that can come down I haven't been back there for quite some time but at least I'm not positive the answer to that if we wanted to to me if we wanted to increase or double our traffic on Glacier then we'd open it if you want twice as much traffic on it and that's part of the reason that it's there is so we don't have all the traffic I live on the curve on a glacier and I think we'd be having some troubles with kids that have been riding their bikes over the years with doubling the traffic there I mean you it just would really increase it I know now people in Hunter's Crest are used to going if they're going to seven they go to you know up to seven on on on food yeah or they go out the other way to hit uh 92 to go to Oklahoma or whatever several years ago wasn't this this up and the residence said leave those barriers in there yes yes and and we were questioning it because of police fire that type of thing it would be quicker to save people's lives but the residents that lived in that said no leave those up and we followed their request yeah the police department and the fire department have both requested it be taken down yep but the residents said no so we didn't think they know which way they're going now I mean the Chiefs here I think the other point with this is if there ever was a time to take them down I mean now that you're redoing the road might be the time I think we should put a sign up for that poor semi guy now somebody mentioned no Outlet yeah there is one right on Spruce and glacier there's you got the stop sign and then you got the no Outlet now maybe see because you can go out on Spruce and get out so that's really you know you can't put the no Outlet out at 92. yeah technically the new outlet sign should be back but you know I guess the people that just go with Google today aren't going to look for that new Outlets because it's amazing how many people come in there and turn around we could easily add a no no truck traffic you talk about something you do us in traffic I think you're generating more traffic with it being closed understood thank you for your input would anybody else like to speak all right get anything else I think I'm good no question for me okay another one yeah hi I'm awful short my name is Lisa Calhoun I'm at 422 Forest Bruce Road and I was just wondering it's not on here anywhere you haven't indicated it but are you thinking about Evangeline carrying that sidewalk over onto spruce because you mentioned now that you're digging up the road now is The Prudent time to do it while you're digging up the road on Spruce as well yeah so why was there no sidewalk uh proposed for Spruce I don't want one it was a financial decision mostly because most of the traffic is Glacier Glacier is the heaviest traffic so that's where we want want safer pedestrian access and that was why we decided to add it I beg to differ with you we have traffic coming all of Hunter's Crest comes down Spruce and then yes goes down Glacier but we have it as well yeah one thing I'd like to ask excuse me what would be the Savings in other words what is the cost uh of the sidewalk going in on Glazer what would be the cost that we would be assessed with oh the sidewalk when they're not glacier what's the difference we don't want that assessment you know we're all pinch and pennies right now because everything's foot back on yeah we did not split that out in the study but we do have those costs I think Ryan's trying to eyeball a number here real quick not for the assessment impact but what that total would be I'm thinking we were that's what these because we kind of uh we kind of figured it would be about 45 48 a month that we we would all be assessed for you to do your five five minutes yeah to your point to your point your assessment would go down I don't have that precise number maybe maybe yeah yeah I'm not sure if that's the right number but it very well could be yeah what's going on there so we did do a cost estimate for Spruce Road it was it was after the feasibility study was completed so it's it wasn't another one that was a potential addition that I think Council decided at the time not to I'm just going to say no sidewalk Spruce Road [Laughter] you're welcome was there anybody else who wanted to speak I thought there was one other person that was walking up thank you all for coming yep um please one more I'm Dwight well I'm at over at 8961 Partridge I just wanted to applaud the plan I think it's a good one um I've been doing this for 35 years and I wouldn't do anything less on these rules as far as the reclamation so I just want to offer support thank you thank you we appreciate that yes thank you very much anybody else have anything else they'd like to add so are you absolutely sure about the sidewalks or should we [Laughter] I have not done any work in or around Mound I don't know if Ryan if you know the answer to that but the general answer to that is that you have to increase your taxes to get a higher tax levy and impact everybody that's the um that's the general answer to that question so instead of the city financing I don't remember what the exact math was here at the end in the cost summary instead of the city financing 4.1 million dollars the city would be financing 5.3 million dollars so whatever that resultant math would be divided by the by the city so that's higher higher taxes higher taxes but then you don't pay The Upfront money yeah so yeah you wouldn't have it higher spread out among all of the residents instead of just yeah so the pro the pro for you folks is yeah your assessments would go away the con would be every project in future years you'd also be paying for a chunk of that so it's kind of a trade-off there I just want to say thank everybody for coming it's great to have this much interest in what's going on in your city we don't usually see this and it's fantastic thank you yeah thank you all for coming and thanks for sharing your opinions it really does help us all meeting adjourned [Music]