My first job was in parks and recreation, too. I was mowing grass and coaching baseball and softball and things like that. And so we see a lot of youth that their first job is with the city. And I think that's really important.

I went to the presentation this year and I felt very inadequate sitting in the crowd because these interns have so much talent. Some of these GIS interns created full-blown dashboards. They created maps. One of them created a 3D map of the marsh where you can like go into rooms and it has all the blueprints. It is their talent is wild.

So A stands for advancing careers and employment. So you have to have some kind of barrier to access to participate. Um whether that's socioeconomics, gender, um language, maybe your first gen, um race, anything um that's a barrier.

If the chief's son can work here and any other staff members can work here, I feel like then you should not say council children cannot work for the city. Um, I know that this was something prior to us, um, being on a council, maybe you know, something happened where other council members felt that city staff um, children could not work for the in these programs or whatever. However, um, there's barriers for well, for me, I don't know about anybody else. I'm speaking for me, but my daughter fit all those criterias and I just felt like it was just very difficult.

There is actually in city code so it's section 205.005 O5 where uh so it's a city code provision where family members of council so it's not just children so it' be spouse children mother-in-law father-in-law stepchildren kind of there's a whole definition in there on what family is that per city code are not allowed to work at the city... I think there's probably some power differential in that in terms of if you ever have to discipline and how a family member of a council member might come into play for something like a discipline or a termination and things can get really kind of mucky um in that regard.

I think you're hopefully getting a full flavor for um how we as a city value youth and how we really try to incorporate youth into what we're doing. And I would say that's also reflection on your values as a council because you support the budgets that support this programming.

I think that's what young people really need that exposure and I think it's really a positive all the way around and I know that for staff internships are not like okay well you just get a you just get a student in and you have to go do a bunch of work I mean it's it takes a lot of planning it takes a lot of your time and a lot of personal involvement so thank you for that

One of our fundamental goals, now I'm getting sidetracked, this is not on my note. That's okay. um fundamental goals of this rewrite even if no standard is changed is that we have a document that anyone can read and understand even if they don't have a master's degree in planning that people should know what they can do on their property.

I think it is surprising though how they come together. Going back to the previous one, I'm dying to know the two cities who didn't respond to you... I will say over as I look at that heat map of who what cities the commonelli I see in the research I do is those communities have the same thing you have here and that's a concern on life cycle housing and when you talk about life cycle housing the starting point is affordable housing however you define it because folks are worried about a place for their kids to live That is what they have in common is those are all communities that people love to live in.

The younger generation, they're together. The older generation still separating it. And so still that conversation to bring folks along to understand is to talk about price point specifically and you don't have the confusion the individual attitudes and opinions on affordable housing.

I'm wondering if some of the resistance is coming because I reflected on why Ward 2 had some resistance and is it really the areas of the city that have seen development pressure recently and that's being reflected... I suspect that's part of what we're seeing that it's not even a demographic issue. It's just what people's experience of what they're development fatigue.

I think the dichotomy of um we in apartments, we have people living in apartments who are aspirational and want to live in in in different types of housing as you know they're younger and you know most of us probably lived in an apartment at some point in our lives when that was the type of housing available. But then there's also a lot of people who um are looking at apartments from an opportunistic perspective that they they are looking to downsize. So the motivations are, you know, in the opposite direction in some ways, but are, you know, and they're there for very different reasons, but they're but they're there.

I think back to the road show that you and Lauren did. Um and I think everywhere really good that go back to that because we're you know at the mall at basketball games and maybe there's an opportunity for interns in this work too to really be b you know bold in approaching people rather than just table waiting... some people really need to be asked.

I guess I guess I have a um question. Um is there any way to include students like high school students in the survey question? Like maybe... if we could ask students who are like high school like seniors, you know, maybe asking them about their future far as coming back to Minnetonka because I think that also would help kind of um shape like our development, our housing development because some people kind of have in their mind that they're leaving and they're not coming back

We're going to synthesize everything that we heard from the workg groupoups um from some staff notes and we're going to check in with you, which is what we've done here, and then um get back with our consultant... we won't see that for probably six months from now. If you'll recall when we started this process, we were hopeful that by basically this time next year, fall next year, there would be um public hearings and public meetings at planning commission and city council level to consider an actual um document.

I agree on the timing. I mean, I don't have any questions about the substance because I think it's still vague enough that but the timing we you don't want it to be this thing that never ends. But also, you want people to be aware that it's deliberate that there are multiple opportunities for them to be involved at kind of each stage.