[music] [music] Heat. [music] Heat. [music] Heat. Heat. [music] [music] >> [music] >> Okay, good evening. Today is February 12th and this is a study section of the Mitanka City Council and we'll start with introductions. I can't see you but I assume >> I am Miranda Diamond, assistant city manager. >> Hello Eric Nilson, city attorney. >> Siraki, senior management coordinator. >> Peter Leman, Morris Leman. >> Peter Leman, Morris Leatherman Company. >> Mike Bong, city manager. Kimberly Wilburn, uh, city council at large. >> Foster one. >> Kizzy Kley, city council member. Ward four. >> Me, city council. W three. Deb Calbert, city council at large. CA. >> Will Manchester, public works director. >> Phil Olsen, city engineer. >> Blake Hansen, Three Rivers Park District project manager. Josh Bolvie, Three Rivers Park District, senior manager of engineering. >> Uh Danny McCulla, Three Rivers Park District Planning. >> Yeah, we'll do it tonight, Rebecca. Superintendent Rivers. >> Okay. Does that cover it? Okay. And appearing virtually is Rebecca Sha, Mayor. I'm gonna ask, for some reason, the camera is not operating great to me, so I can't really see much other people's feet. Um, I'm going to ask Acting Mayor possible just to help call on people if necessary um when we're having discussions otherwise I can get a handle on the agenda. Um so we'll get right into it and uh first item is the 2026 community survey review and Mike are you gonna kick that off? >> Uh thanks uh Mayor Shaq. Uh, we'll have Sarissa Saraki kick it off and then if I have anything to add, I will. >> Excellent. Sarissa, >> thanks Mike. We have a Peter Leather Leatherman here from Morris Leatherman Company. He'll do most of the talking for this agenda item, but just for council, a few things to note. The survey is currently sitting at 164 questions. We are looking to get that numbered lowered to around 115 for questions. and staff has been working on removing some of those questions that are not needed anymore. Um, potential topics that were listed in your packet, those are some items that came from you from last year or from staff. And then recommended removing themes. Um, those are questions we can add in next year if we do feel the need to. We don't need to ask every question every year and Peter can talk about that as well. Um, and then recommended keeping themes from 2025. We just have short-term rentals listed. Um, Peter will be here for any questions you may have. Any other topics you want to bring up? That's all I have to say. Mike, do you have anything you want to add? >> Yeah, thank you. Uh, Rebecca, if I can. Uh, thank you, Sarissa. Go for it. >> Yep. Thank you. Just quickly for the council as I connected with you throughout uh today just tonight's exercise is to u is to really solicit feedback from you and any input as Sarissa mentioned for questions that are going to go into the survey. Um we do this every spring as you know for the last almost 30 years of surveys. Uh Mr. Leatherman's been instrumental in that process and the company that he's worked with. We've had a close working relationship with him over time. What was new to you as council a couple years ago, we invited Peter to come here because otherwise it had been more staff driven on the questions. And so we want to make sure you had an opportunity as well. If there's things I say things, topics uh that you're interested in learning about, we would want to hear that from you tonight. So really tonight's exercise is to a quick review of our process. uh we have Peter here to help engage in the conversation, provide some direction, and if there's specific questions or topics you want to explore, uh we're here to again hear that from you. So, with that, if it's okay, mayor, I just turn it over to uh perhaps Peter at this point for any other introductory comments and then turn it back over to you, council, for that feedback. >> Excellent. Thank you. Thank you, Peter. You uh take it away. >> Very good. It's a pleasure to be here with you for the annual survey markup. Oh, I didn't turn it on. Technology impaired. Uh, it's a pleasure to be here with you to, uh, discuss, uh, this, uh, annual survey. And, uh, last year when I was here, we added a fair number of topics. I forgot to print out. Could you make the screen big? The There we go. That, um, we added questions on ebikes, on leaf blowers, all of those sorts of things. And in talking with staff, you know, to try to shrink the survey a bit, it might be something to consider. What we did probably 15 years ago when the survey got to 200, 220 questions is to kind of look at the questions of, you know, what are the core questions and then like policy type questions. Unless something has changed fundamentally in the community, there's been a lot of discussion just say about chemicals on lawns, maybe it's something to explore, but with no major event, it's unlikely that public opinion will have moved drastically that we need to track it on an annual basis. Um so if you kind of look through the lens of what's immediate, what's on the docket for 2026 um that you want to test and then I know that we'll have to have a discussion about the sales tax uh uh local option sales tax you're exploring uh to kind of understand the ser what questions we want to put in the survey to elicit feedback as you look towards that. Does that make sense? So, do we want to kick off on potential new topics? Uh, actually, should we just talk sales tax right now? >> Um, so where does that sit? Last year, the questions we had in were at we asked about six items. upgrade to city fire stations, adding parks and amenities to Opus, renovations at the community center, renovations to Willist Fitness, renovations to the march and expansion of city trails. We asked folks though, if you recall, not whether you support or oppose, do you have a preference of a sales tax versus property tax? And then they had the option to say neither. So they didn't support the project. Um, so I think this time since you've looking at the local sales tax option and we've done this in many communities, we'll want to test the individual. Um, because however many items you have on the list requires a vote even though the half cent doesn't expand. It's just a communications challenge with the community. >> [clears throat] >> Yeah. Can I can I just ask um so are those going to be the I assume then the projects the new projects that we're looking you know the the updated projects that we're going to have are going to be for this year if we correct I think that's what I saw >> cor correct so um with the recent >> action of the city of approving the resolution with those five more specific targets uh we'd want to shape the questions around that to what you're saying Yes. So confirm what you're saying. Yes. >> That's that that's the answer. Um >> I think one of the things where this will be valuable too is again getting that community feedback on each of those five core areas that would be in the sales tax. And that information will be valuable for all of us, especially if the legislature does approve the city's request and if the city goes out to referendum. Understanding where the community community's temperatures on those will also largely shape the order of the the questions that are asked and the strategy around the marketing and the um communityformational aspect of it. >> Yeah, we did the same thing in Bloomington when they started the exploring theirs and the priorities. They had the ice garden and the health the wellness center. Uh but we have to as the local sales tax, it's not just do you support all of the up local sales tax option because of the nature of having the individual vote. We do need to break out each one individually and explain and I've got the language for it. You are authorizing the half cent sales tax for question one and then as it's as it's framed if you're just listening but we clarify it. you could potentially if you're testing five projects, people might think they're adding on a half cent for every single project. So, I have specific verbiage so people understand uh exactly how it works on the ballot in Minnesota when you're looking at that. >> And just one more followup if I could on that. I noticed in the um the survey the way that was done I think last year and um what we're looking at is um you asked if they approved of a local sales tax and got their feedback on that and then asked, you know, if you knew that 60 whatever 60 >> would that I'm just kind of from a methodological standpoint, you know, what's the advantage of doing that versus explaining first that a sales tax would, you know, because then you're >> Great question. Okay, >> it is uh because you don't the goal of a survey is to find out what the person is at without any additional information. You can't make the assumption that everybody will hear that what was it? Uh 54% would come from residents outside the community. And you do this whenever you're talking elected officials. You see bad polls, you they push polls. Here's all this information. Does this What do you think now? But you have to understand what they think and then you can test okay does this make you more likely or does this impact your potential decision. So that's that's the goal is to not have the survey be because people can come back and say well you tried to win the survey and we have no intention of doing that. Um but as long as you understand where they're at first then you can see how specific pieces of information can impact their opinion. >> Thank you. for that explanation. I appreciate that. >> Do I have to say something? >> Can we keep going? >> Yep. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Sorry, Rebecca. >> If you would just help, Rebecca. >> Okay. >> All right. Anything else on on regarding the sales tax piece? Is that >> I'll work with the city with those questions if you're comfortable. And and I also would recommend not only we tested where the tax revenue is coming from, but we've also tested a couple other arguments in other communities that I can put in for review um that have been effective arguments. Uh Golden Valley, Bloomington. >> Anybody else have anything on that piece of it? Otherwise, do we just go down that list? So, new residents is the next thing on our list. >> Yes. and and that I think came up from last year uh discussion of understanding why people were moving to Minnetonka uh what was drawing them in and where were they coming from um and so I mean I would suggest if you do want to explore that it's just a question upfront um I probably would limit it to the last people that have moved in in the last 10 years somebody who's been here 25 30 years it might be interesting you're going to have people that have always been here Um so I mean if there is interest potentially you know it's always when you add questions is it interesting useful um and kind of look at it through that lens and potentially you know I Woodbury did this uh asked about where folks were coming from during their growth explosion in the '9s. Uh and it really was interesting especially when you looked at those that came from St. Paul and those that came from other locations and how they valued neighborhoods and how they looked at cities was fundamentally different. Um so but that was Woodbury trying to manage the growth that became Woodbury from the 90s to say 2010. Um so I'm more than happy to put those questions in for you to look at for a draft if you're interested still. >> Are people interested in that? So I have a question and a comment I guess. So my question is go >> ahead. >> Um do we know >> like percentage wise like what percentage of new residents are normally pulled in the in the >> in great question five years or newer residents in last year's survey were 28%. uh if we go to 10 years it's 47%. Half the community. >> So I guess my thoughts on this are it's an interesting question and might be interesting to get results. I'm not sure like if we're trying to limit our real estate >> questions that maybe that this is necessarily one for for this particular goal. other perspectives. Anybody? >> I Rebecca. So, um I'm I've been so interested since I went door knockocking this summer if it's if it's people with children. Um, I'd be so interested to know if they are sending their kids to the school district associated with their address or if they're open enrolling them somewhere. I think um we have some school districts that are experiencing large growth in other uh you know Hopkins specifically has lost 2400 resident students basically to Minnetonka predominantly and um but you know 70% or thereabouts of of Mitaka residents live in Hopkins school district so I just think that would be such an interesting like their new residents. Are they just coming to be closer to Minnetonka school district or are they enrolling their kids in Hopkins? it I think would be such an interesting >> that that we might be able to capture simply by um just that we already asked do they have kids uh do they attend the Minnitanka school district, the Hopkins school district or do they go elsewhere? Um and then the database that the random samples pulled from just like um you know we track in in the community the wards nobody knows what ward the database has the ward it also has the school district so they wouldn't even have to tell me that they're open enrolling their child they could just say hey I'm sending my kid to Minnetonka and then by code by coding the date I could say hey we actually live in the Hopkins school district >> I'd be so interested because I really do feel like we have to keep all of our school districts strong. You know, the the large numbers of open enrollment are causing different issues in Minnitonka school district and other issues in Hopkins School District, but it is causing issues. Some of it's traffic, you know, that affects the city and some of it's really just real estate prices or, you know, that may affect the city and so on and so forth. So, I just think it'd be so interesting Okay. So, we've got kind of two questions on the table here. So, we have the question about where new residents, where did they live previously? Just kind of is that something is is that appealing to people? Do you guys want to add that or no? Let's kind of test the water on that one. >> You know me, I'm a more data person. I'm I'm a bad person [clears throat] to ask to take questions out. I'm an add questions person. So, >> Rebecca, yeah, Rebecca, I think, oh, I'm sorry, uh, Paty, if I can or I would just add I think with these questions, um, try to I my suggestion and recommendation is try to think about yes, it's interesting data, but what do you what would you do with the data? So, I think if you're going to capture the data, you'd want to have a reason to do something with it. >> Um, so just keep that in mind as I think as you frame up the questions. Yeah, I would say that in talking about um where did people live previously unless we're going to you know poll them on you know what do you think about walkability and all of those things in terms because it's not going to really I don't know that it would be affecting anything any of our policies or work as a city. Um, again, kind of one of those interesting things to go and maybe it's on the list of things that we park on the side and alternate in at some point in the future, but I'm not unless there's something that somebody can think of that that is going to directly influence, you know, some sort of, you know, um, development. Yeah. Funding policy, you know, smart growth, whatever. Smart development and, you know, parks and we already get through the parks and all of that through other questions. So, I'm just not sure. So, I personally I would, you know, kind of vote in the nice to know, interesting to know, but not probably necessary. And if we're looking to cut questions, that's one that I think could could be cut and parked on the side. I mean, what did Woodbury do with it that was helpful? >> They were still undeveloped. >> Oh, so long ago. Uh, >> they were still undeveloped then, right? >> Yeah. I I I mean I think it led to some of the development decisions especially uh with I mean in the 90s there were so many corn fields and everything as they plan development I think to the point of walkability uh those sorts of things it impacted those decisions because of what residents they had a huge number of people coming from St. Paul >> who wanted Yes. And so, yeah, I'm moving to the suburbs, but I still want to be able to walk to a restaurant, walk to, you know, all of those sorts of things. So, I think it impacted a lot of the development decisions they made, especially to the eastern edge of Woodbury as they develop towards the river. >> Okay. So, I think I mean I'm I'm going to just say I agree with kind of Paul's perspective. I think it's fascinating. I just don't know that it moves the needle when we look at the survey. So my inclination would be to kind of skip that one those for now and consider that you think the school district one's interesting too for the school districts. Um but that's not our role necessarily. So anybody else have a different perspective that they want to otherwise let's keep this moving. We got a a long agenda here. Yeah. >> Okay. >> You good with that? >> Yep. >> You heard it go to the >> So, tax questions that would do want to talk about that >> tax question. >> Oh, 32. >> Yes. >> Uh what's Oh, so the 32 is we 30 32 is a follow up to 31 where we asked would you favor oppose a increase in your city property taxes if it were needed to maintain city services. If they said they oppose, we asked them, "What services would you be willing to see cut since you're opposed to a property tax to maintain?" So, I think the question was brought up last year. Um, and you know, we had 18% say nothing cut the waste. Um, and that sort of thing. So, [clears throat] perhaps it really wasn't all that helpful. Um, and you do have, it's probably enough just to capture. You had 80% that said they support a property tax increase to maintain. And we continue to see that in our city surveys and, you know, the the statewides that we do. When you ask folks, do you support a property tax increase to maintain? [snorts] They know it costs more and so they support. Do you support a property tax increase to enhance or improve? No. That's the impact of the property tax hostility that we're seeing across the state uh over the last couple years. >> So I think >> anybody go ahead Peter. >> I was just going to say I mean if it's if it's not useful at this point because there is a big consensus. It's really a lowhanging fruit question to cut. >> Anybody feel strongly on that one? Um, >> yeah, I I would definitely agree with that that it's a I'm just concerned. My only concern would be are we going to get accused of not seeking resident input if we take it out by some segments of our our residents. you know that you're not you're not asking what >> you're not asking this and you're deliberately not asking this um where this has been a long-term question that that would be and and I just open that up as >> I I agree that it could be cut because it's not given us new stuff. It's more as an avenue for public feedback. I think it, you know, when the these questions were developed in the 90s and back in the 90s and even up until the recession, uh, 2008, 2009, people were opposed to prop if they opposed a property tax increase, they didn't care if it was to maintain or expand or enhance. Um, the general realization that people have that everything costs more to have the same thing is really a new it's not since 2008 moving forward. So in the 90s this would be more 45 4510 and then you're following up with the oppos and you have a cell size of 200. When you have 14% it's 55 people in the sample. Um so if 18% say cut waste that's 10 people or 11 people. Um it's just the the nature of how this question has evolved uh really has limited the ability to analyze what 55 people >> I I sort of agree with Paula on this one. I I do I do because I just I think about the conversations that we have on the deis and if we are not asking people how they feel about their taxation we're not asking them and it does and it feels uncomfortable for me to go on the desk and talk about you know we surveyed hundreds of people and you know the vast majority said that they would support higher property taxes to maintain gives us a certain amount of um ammunition or cover or rationale for moving forward just to maintain. And one of the reasons I feel that way is because our levy increases have been significant and they are going to continue to be significant. And there there are there are additional budgetary pressures that are happening because of things that are happening at the federal level, at the state level, and just in the economy. um even as an outgrowth of of um federal uh immigration enforcement activity here that I feel are is going to put additional pressure on us when we're making decision. I it's a quick question. I I don't find the answers about you know cutting waste um helpful at all but it is it is good for us to know what the temperature that gives us just a basic temperature and I think that >> that's helpful to me. >> Okay. It sounds like there's not an appetite to kind of stick with that one maybe for this year. >> Okay. >> Um okay. So, in an effort to Peter, do you have anything you want to weigh in or should I run through quickly these items on our staff report that we may want to cut? >> Why don't Why don't you run through the list for time? Yep. >> Okay. So we have on that list ebikes, organized garbage collection, chemicals on lawns, noise from leaf blowers, overnight street parking, storage of garbage and recycling cans, and programming for teenagers. So I would say if somebody wants to make a quick pitch to keep any of those, let's do it now. Otherwise, I think these are all things we've talked about over the past few years that aren't on our upcoming radars here. >> Anybody? >> I do have. Sorry. Um, one thing is the only thing I thought about was ebikes because that's one of our um legislative awareness topics. Um, and if we need to use that in terms of our our anything that we're trying to do at the state legislature in the in the next this year or the or the following year before the next survey goes out. That would be my my one thing that I was thinking about would be the reason um because it seems to be something that's gathering steam. So, >> so potentially keep ebikes on >> that would be yeah for for that reason because it is that we've flagged as a a legislate legislative awareness [clears throat] to our our reps. >> That's fair. >> I would I would want to u make a pitch for the teen program. Um, I know that we've done a lot um for teens, but as our city continues to um diversify, I I still want to make sure that we keep that on our radar to provide programs and um you know, for lower income families that come to Minnetonka. So, I still want to make sure we keep that on the radar. >> Okay. All right. Um do we feel anybody strongly on those two. I I don't I mean I I I hear what you're saying. I don't oppose keeping them on. Um we're keeping on short-term rentals. I think that staff indicated that would be recommended. I I think we probably all agree with that. >> I agree. Um, so anything else? Otherwise, the discussion question is, are there additional topics or themes the council would like to incorporate into the survey? >> Um, is there anything else? >> So, the immigration impacts. >> Oh, I skipped that one. I >> Yeah, it's kind of a big one. >> What would those >> What would the question Airbnb? Yeah. >> Peter, what would the questions be? Your immigration impacts. >> That's that's a question to ask. I mean, it's it's one of those items that if you ask specific policy on, there would be an expectation that you do something about it. and do you have the ability to do something about it? Um, you could ask a general question on their feelings about it. It's going to be I have a statewide in the field that started today. I had to wait. It was initially going to happen the first week of January. >> Oh boy. >> And with the events, I finally just had to put it in because I need the date. I'll be presenting it to MAMA uh on the 26th um and to other acronyms in March. Um I'll have a general baseline of how people feel about it. Um but I don't know the specifics you would think about asking your residents as it relates to the city. Um and the other question is well well with the supposed news today that the intention is to pull out by the time the survey is in the field the issue may be pretty hopefully moot. >> I mean I think the challenge in my review of that was the same thing. I mean I think we understand the cha the impact of the chaos. to drill down to a more specific question about that we could influence with is the challenge that I have. But I'm happy to hear from others on that one. >> I would say I like we know that people are being impacted and we're getting emails from people. We have um you know obviously that's not a scientific survey but um my question is like what what what a question I can't think of a question that we could ask get the information and and have have an action item act on that information. So, um, and I don't know like if you could just ask a general question have, but yeah, again, I don't I don't know what we do with that data once we collect it. >> I mean, we do ask upfront what's the most serious issue facing the community and it's open-ended and they can tell us anything. So, they have the ability to bring it up at that point right away. Deb, did you have your hand raised? >> I did. Oh, I'm sorry. >> Yeah, that's all right, Paula. Um, so to that question, um, one thing that I'm hearing a lot from the community, um, and especially certain people in the community is that, um, they feel that people aren't calling the police, uh, Minnotonka police because we've had decreased, um, you know, contact. And yet there's been not been a at least anecdotally a significant decrease in activity. Um and I'm being told anecdotally by some people who are involved in kind of dealing with this is because people aren't calling um because they aren't aware that you know of police response or you know that they don't feel like it's going to do any good um for some people at least. And so therefore that's not being called. So that would be one, you know, actionable thing is how was our communication? How are are people getting that message? So that would be a response to that. But I understand your your concern. >> I I really like the way, you know, just asking such a broad question that people could broach the subject themselves. And I think um you know if that was really what was um important to them um and maybe that's just I think another question would be by the time we do the survey which is not right away but soon um if I was their issue h have they seen a decrease increase in activity or do you know since you know since Operation Metro Surge started do you feel safer today when we're surveying you than you did you know a month ago or something that might also be a way to sort of gauge the the general temperature because I have I have managed expectations about how much going to subside and I also think that it's going to subside for a time and probably um have an increase again um in the fall. And so, um, you know, I think just asking if people are feeling safer or, you know, or a question about do you feel less safe in your community because of it or >> we we do have the baseline of how if they felt safe last year, the year before. Um, maybe potentially would be a question of everything that's happened in the last couple months. has it impacted um you going out in the community or being involved in the community? >> I think that would be >> that's that's a question >> or some or something like that just kind of uh that sort of impact. It's not a I'm for it, I'm against it. I keep it non-political, but just on a personal level, has this impacted your household? I think that gives us data we could actually use that could be helpful in the work that we're doing to potentially. >> Okay, >> I'll put All right, great. >> All right, do we have we covered what we need to for this portion? >> I think the only other thing I normally ask, are there any other topics that were missed? [laughter] >> Dangerous question. >> I know. Last year it got us leaf blowers and all the other ones that we just took out. So, >> we're good. >> All right. >> Are we good? >> I think we're feeling pretty good as always. We appreciate your expertise and assistance in this and looking forward to seeing you come April. >> End of end of April, I believe. >> Yep. >> Okay. Excellent. We'll see you then spring. >> Thank you. Hopefully. [laughter] >> All right. Moving on. We have Three Rivers Park District update Frank Lake and Eagle Lake Regional Trails and I will >> Yeah, thank you Rebecca. Uh let's kick it over to Will and probably reintroduce our guests here this evening. >> Yeah, good evening everybody. Uh Three Rivers here tonight. I'll let them do their formal introductions, but we've got Danny Blake, Josh, and Bo from Three Rivers. They're going to talk about two of the major trail projects they're working on that are also on the top of the city's uh trail improvement plan on Baker Road. And so I'll turn it over to Danny and we'll let them do their [snorts] intros and kind of kick it off. >> Thank you. I'm Danny McCulla. Like I said, Three Rivers. I work in the planning department. Can everyone hear me? Okay. >> Um so I work in the planning department. I was very involved in the long range plan for this project. and here tonight to give you a brief background of how we got to where we are today. Um if you look at this map um it's oriented the wrong way. It's oriented east and west but this is a north south trail um through city mana and through other cities as well. So this corridor um starts in Maple Grove, goes through Plymouth into Minnetonka and down into Eden Praona. The Bryant Lake Regional Trail will go down Baker Road and Road. Eagle Lake Regional Trail will come down Hopkins Crossroads through Plymouth and over. Uh so when we did this plan, we we called it the Eagle Lake Bryant Lake Regional Trail Long Range Plan. And like I said, it connects four cities and uh the corridor itself is 16 miles approximately in length. Uh we wrote the one plan for both trails knowing that we would divide the corridor up into the Eagle Lake Regional Trail and the Bryant Lake Regional Trail both here to talk to to you about tonight. Um and all this really started back in 2019. We uh partnered with the cities in the West Metro and did what was called the West Metro Trail study where we went out into the into the public and asked a lot of questions about in this area. Uh we did public engagement long range planning in 2020 and 21. And then um like all with all of our regional trails, once we have a long range plan and we go to construct the trail, it's the responsibility of the park district to fully fund and and execute and build that that trail. So we're fully responsible for the development of it. And this next slide that I have before you a little more detail um about where we got to today which is almost to construction. So I mentioned the West Metro Trail study in 2019. We attended a lot of public events. Uh we had over 2,000 project website visits. Uh we we got a lot of feedback about the need for support for North South Regional Trail in this area. Uh so in 2020 and 21 we work with your park commission. We worked with your city council. Uh we worked with uh your staff and uh we did a lot of public engagement. We sent out postcards to people along the corridor and we received overwhelming positive feedback from the community in support of a future sale project in 2021. uh the city council three that council approved the plan and in 2022 we were awarded with a $5.5 million federal grant for construction of the Brian Lake regional trail and 3.1 million uh for the Eagle Lake region trail and that takes us to where we are today 2025 and for the next two two three years uh we're working through engineering now uh developing agreements for the future regional trail with construction scheduled sometime in 2027 and into 2028. And then I brought a couple of slides here just showing what our regional trail will look like. Um, most of you are probably familiar with our system, but I wanted to share these examples uh in case there are some newer council members here since I was last before you and maybe aren't as familiar with our system, but we typically construct a 10 foot wide paved regional trail with some clear zones on each side. And this is a typical example of what those look like. The one on the upper left is typical trail through a park. And then the bottom uh you see a trail along a residential area with a boulevard. And then there's a picture on the right there of our regional trail back up against the uh backup curve and a roadway. And those are very typical. That's very typical of how our trail system looks. The next slide uh just shows some of the amenities we have along the trail. You've probably seen our kiosk as you drive around or bike around or walk around our system. We provide typically benches, bike racks, bicycle repair stations where they make sense. We put those in as well. So, a lot of amenities along the way to help trail users. Um, just want to talk a little bit about some other next steps we have other than construction. Uh, at some point this year, we'll be coming back before the council uh to enter what we call a cooperative trail agreement. And this will be an agreement with the city that basically gives us the right to own and operate the trail city. And that agreement um will include a map of the route. It'll outline property rights, design, construction details. Uh it'll also uh mention who's responsible for the operation and maintenance of the regional trail, which is primarily Three Rivers. Um it'll include some easement and permit language. Um and it will also allowable uses such as walking, biking, skating. And then um it'll also acknowledge our cross jurisdictional enforcement of ordinances between our our police and your city police. And then the agreement will also um establish any minor details or uh for any projects that the city might have that might be connected to our greater trail project or might be going on in conjunction that might overlap. And then now I'm going to hand this over to our engineer, Josh Boie, and he's going to talk a little bit more about the details of this upcoming construction project. >> Thanks, Danny. Uh, once again, I'm Josh Boie, senior manager of engineering, interim director of design for the park district. Um, I'm leading the Bryant Lake project. So, [clears throat] Danny said, it goes along Baker Road. So, um, it's about 3.7 miles long. It's on the west side of Baker Road between Mini or Minnitanka Boulevard um going south to Excelsure. At Excelsier Boulevard, we switch to the east side of Baker Road um between Excelsure to Roland. Then along Roland, we're on the north side of the roadway until we get into Lone Lake Park where we continue through the park along an existing gravel trail uh into the Bryant Lake Regional Park. So some of the design initiatives were taken is to minimize the impacts. So we are narrowing up the roadway um and shoulders to try to keep the trail entirely within the uh county and city rightways. Uh we're going to be utilizing retaining walls um to limit some grading limits on to private property and then storm water as well. There will be added storm water along the corridor. Um we'll be lo using some low impact storm water management facilities for storm water treatment. Um there will be quite a few easements on this project. Uh mostly temporary easements to have a uh easier and a better transition between the new construction of the trail into private property. Um we're starting that process. Um now we've been identifying easement needs and we'll be reaching out to community members. um in the upcoming months. Um the Hopkins Middle School West is interested in the project as well. Um there's a uh a school crossing of Baker Road that they currently use and um the city is working with them to incorporate some improvements at the school and at the crossing. And then Lone Lake Park, um the goal is to get the regional trail to meet all the requirements that we need. However, we want to minimize all the impacts to the park um tree removal, any impacts to natural resources as well as there's a creek nearby. So, it's it's uh working on being good stewards of existing natural resources out there while meeting all the requirements that we need to meet uh to get this trail constructed. So here are just kind of some existing and proposed sections. Uh on the left is through Lone Lake Park. The existing trail is 8 foot wide aggregate trail and we will be constructing a 10- foot wide asphalt asphalt trail through the park basically following the same alignment. Um there's going to be some grading to minimize some of the uh steep slopes that are out there on Roland Road. There's an existing trail 8 foot wide on the east on the north side of the road for the majority of it, but there's also a grass area um probably from Baker going to the east. So, there's some grass and some trail. What we will do is be moving the curb line in and narrowing up the travel lanes from 12 to 11 ft and narrowing up the shoulders as well. Constructing a 12 uh 10 foot wide pave trail on the back of trail. So the paved surface will be 12 ft wide uh two foot shoulder of a clear zone behind back a curb. Baker is going to be a trail with a 5-ft boulevard. These are are the general new sections for it. Existing roadway has 12 foot lanes with six foot shoulders. We will be narrowing up the lane so we can push the the curb line in. So if we go to the east side on the bottom under the existing, we'll have a 10-ft trail, 5ft boulevard, and the drive lanes will go from 12 feet to 11 feet and the shoulders will be reduced as well uh to either three or four feet wide. Same thing on the west side with the trail on the west side, 10 foot trail, five foot boulevard. One thing to note, there are sections of Baker Road that do not have a curb. So, if it's opposite of the trail and there's no curb, we may have to have a wider shoulder, probably six feet, because of the uh state aid requirements for the roadway. Um, if you're familiar with the road, there's a lot of topography grade changes along it. So, there's some challenges and one way to overcome some of these challenges are to put the trail on the back of curb. We'll still be reducing the travel lanes. Um, starting on the bottom is the east side. Shows a trail up against the back of curb. 10-ft paved trail with a two-ft paved shoulder. Um, and the same thing on the I'm sorry, that was the upper right is east side. The west is the actually it's the same. Sorry, there's a trail on the west and east side. >> Can you move the [clears throat] image the or minimize >> move Rebecca's the the camera image >> so that people can see the >> the box. >> There you go. >> Perfect. >> So, so our desire is to have a 10-ft trail with a five foot boulevard. Um there's some really steep driveways, mature trees. um and just the road drops off in certain areas where to get the trail to fit to get the driveways to um match the existing grade um we will be up against the back of of the curb. We will um have a 10 foot wide corridor. Um some areas we may look at going down to a 8ft wide trail depending on what the needs are. Um, driveways are the biggest challenge uh right now. Um, so moving on to I think I lost control of this. >> I got you. >> All right, >> there we go. So, I just have some examples of of what the trail look like in certain situations. This is at the Excelsure Baker Road crossing. Uh north is to the right. It's a very very tight tight intersection. So going from the right side of the screen to the left. We're going to move the curb into the roadway a little bit more and reconstruct the island that's in the magenta color. There's a larger Cananan wall on the west side. And then as we get south of Excelsure towards the left of the screen. It's going to be uh moving that curb line in to the top of the screen and having a trail right on the back of curb. Um that this part of the project will be paved with the trail part of the project. So the project's multi-year. It's going to be two years of paving of the trail and then the county um is coming in after us to redo the roadway. So this portion of the project will be done with the county roadway project. Just it makes sense to u minimize disruption at the intersection. The trunk highway 7 bridge. Currently, this is proposed conditions, but currently there's one northbound lane and two southbound lanes. Uh north is to the right. Again, the trail is on the west side. So, we will be constructing a 12t wide trail along the edge of the bridge, constructing a concrete barrier um between the trail and the traffic and reducing southbound from two to one lane. I touched on the middle school crossing. This is a schematic of what um is desired at this location. So, Right now, the entrance to the school is three lanes on the left side of the picture, and the crossing of Baker Road is on the south side of that entrance drive. Um, the desired plan is to move the crossing to the north side to align with with the roadway. And the school is going to is planning some work to construct a new sidewalk on the north side of their entrance drive. Uh this would also reduce the uh width of the lanes at the crossing to minimize um vehicles trying to drive around on the shoulder while traffic stopped and kids are crossing. So it would be a good safety improvement. Um overhead power. So on the left side of the screen, I have some yellow circles that show overhead power lines that run parallel with the roadway um that is in conflict with the trail. So between trunk highway 7 and excelsure, there's existing overhead power on the west side of the road. From Excelsure to Roland, there's overhead power on the east side of the road. um working with Excel, they would look at swapping the overhead power from the one side of the road to the other. And to do this, they they would look at minimizing any tree removal, minimizing trimming. Um but also, we have to avoid conflicts with other utilities. So, as they get into their design, it may stay on the same side and we may look at having it behind the trail or in the grass boulevard. Um, depending on other conflicts that might be out there with utilities. Um, there's a small section on Roland Road 2 where there's overhead power on the north side and with the trail expansion, it would move to the south side. Um the park district when we do these projects we work with our city partners to have Excel relocate overhead power poles um and if if there's a desire to bury I know that would be a city um le initiative with partnership with the park district. This is just really typical trail construction progression. In the upper left is existing conditions. This was a a trail that was recently completed. It was a a lane drop, but just kind of shows existing. And then we get our removals as we move from the top across the screen from left to right. Then we get new curb put in. Go to the bottom left, we get into grading, base course, then paving, top soiling, and finally the bottom right is completed trail with erosion control blanket and hydro seating put in. So, it just kind of gives you a feel for the disruption that you'll see out there. Um, there might be less, might be more depending on the um existing grades of the rightway and property. So, the Bryant Lake schedule, we started design. Uh, we expect to have it completed January 27. We're working on the easement acquisition. We'll we'll be uh we identified easements starting in September of last year and throughout this year we'll be getting appraisals working with the property owners to get the easements that we need for the project. As Danny said, park district city will be working on agreements coming up um through this year into summer. Um bidding, we plan to get this out for bid early 2027. try to hit a good bidding window. Construction two years starting in May going through November of 2028. That's for trail and roadway. And then after completion of the trail, we would look at having a a ribbon cutting in celebration of completion of the project. I'll just uh turn it over to Blake. Thank you, Josh. So, I'm Blake Hansen, project manager at Three Rivers Park District. I'm managing the Eagle Lake Regional Trail Project. Uh so this slide just talks about impacts similar to Josh's Brian Lake project. Um we're really focusing on designing to minimize our impacts. We are narrowing the road in a few select locations um and reducing lanes and really that helps with our flood plane impacts and make sure that we're not flooding any homes or impacting the flood plane in any way or wetlands. Um, and ultim ultimately it reduces the amount of storm water we have to treat too, which is also a benefit. Uh, we're aiming to keep the regional trail completely right away. Um, as you can see below, we're not expecting to need any easements at this point in time, so hopefully we don't have to approach any property owners. Um and then we're also utilizing reduced clear zones with fence and retaining walls in some areas um particularly along south south frontage road um just right by Ridgdale there to uh minimize [clears throat] impacts and making sure we're not impacting the wetlands around Crane Lake. Um there will be some tree removals along the south frontage road just to allow for grading. Um and then as well along Hopkins Crossroad. So in the image there on the south end, you can't quite see it. It's right behind the the box there, but there's a little green spot at the very end um where the intersection of Minnotonka Boulevard and Plymouth Road are. We're doing some minor modifications there. And then as we move north, you can see along Plymouth Road between Halloway. Did I have that right? >> Howay. Yes. And uh Ridgale Drive. We're doing some improvements there. And then along the South Frontage Road, pretty much the entire length. Um from Ridgedale to Hopkins Crossroad. and then along Hopkins Crossroad from Weisetta Boulevard just north of 394 up to city limits. So on the south end, this is at the intersection of Minnitankka Boulevard and Plymouth Road. Um what we're trying to do here is there sounds like there's been an issue with people hitting that bridge, the the barricade there, the barrier. So, in order to mitigate some of that, improve the safety for trail users and also vehicular traffic, um we're going to extend that curb kind of tangential in a straight line south. So, that hopefully will keep traffic on the road and away from the barrier. Um >> hope they weren't looking at their phones. >> Yeah, I mean, yes, that might help, too. But, um so, point being, we're trying to reduce the risk of bridge hits, improve safety for trail users. Um, sounds like it's happened a couple times and we don't want someone behind there when it does happen, for sure. So, here's some sections uh of the project. So, this is the north section along Plymouth Road between um Hillway and the library driveway is kind of a weird cut off here, but that's where we're going to for this one. So, you can see we've got three northbound lanes, a left turn lane, a right turn lane, and a through lane. Um the proposed section will eliminate the right turn lane into the library parking ramp. We've done traffic analyses and it it doesn't appear to be warranted or used sufficiently to warrant. It's an independent turn lane. So as you can see right now there's about two foot of clear zone um between the back of curb and the trail and and right now behind that trail there's utility poles and retaining walls and all sorts all sorts of other things. By dropping that lane, we'll be able to provide a healthy boulevard and minimize any impacts on the private property. So, that's part of the way that we're able to get out of needing improvements. In the next section, you can see that's the library driveway to Ridgedale. Um, basically there we we can't drop any lanes. So, what we're proposing is to put the trail to back of curb from the bottom right there with that striped two-ft clear zone. So, be 12 feet paved, two feet uh clear zone, and then 10 foot trail. along South Frontage Road. We are making some modifications or proposing some modifications. Currently, there are uh it's two lanes 13 ft in each direction with 4ft shoulders on either side. We're proposing to eliminate the shoulders entirely and have two 13t lanes, Grass Boulevard, and a 12 uh 10 foot trail, excuse me. Uh right now, the trail is only about seven feet there. It's very very close to Crane Lake. it kind of just drops off right into the lake for the most part. So, this will give us some extra wiggle room. Um, my understanding is that the city's also coming back right shortly after us and has a planned mill and overlay project so they can reestablish Crown and and kind of clean up that road a little bit as well. Um, so this is kind of primarily what you're going to see along South Frontage Road. These are some alternatives that we have here essentially by the county road 73 um park and ride station and east of there. So you can see there's the on the top left there's uh what the existing condition is 7 foot trail with the fence right behind it. The proposed condition um is going to kind of keep similar uh constraints. It's going to narrow it up a little bit and then we'll have a little bit of a boulevard but you'll still see that fence there. on the bottom you see we have you know the median section and then we are proposing to extend an existing retaining wall. There's actually a retaining wall out there already to prevent wetland impacts. We're proposing to lengthen it and then we'll we'll reinstall that fence on top of it. So these is kind of the conditions you'll see and it's you know these aren't uh super specific. You'll probably see a mix of both of these along that stretch. >> Can I ask a question? I so why so the existing there's an existing and a proposed with no median. Who would be who would be proposing the median and why? >> The median is actually there already. Yep. And I don't know if that's part partially to do with the parking ride station. I assume that that would be the case. >> Um so we're not going to mess with the median. Um we wouldn't be disc. So, it's more likely that the bottom right is the proposed is what will >> Yeah. And that median doesn't extend all the way past the park and ride. So, it's kind of like I said, it's kind of a hodge podge of the two. These are just kind of typical example sections, I'd call them. >> Overhead power. Um, I'm kind of jump putting this in the middle of my sections here. So, this is the section between Wetta Boulevard and Fairfield. This this section has some overhead power that's right behind the curb currently. Um we're exploring relocation options with Excel. We're proposing to drop a lane here, the right well, it's not a right turn lane. It's a through right. Um and basically widen out that boulevard to get some extra space. Currently that existing trail you can see there in the lower right picture is actually partially on private property. It's within a drainage and utility easement. So, we're trying to get that off of private property, get it back in the public ride ofway. Um, obviously the utilities are in the way a little bit, so we propose relocating those. Um, we got to also make sure that we're avoiding there's there's quite a few utilities in that sections. We're we're trying to avoid impacts to other utilities as well. So, these are the typical sections. On the left side, you can kind of see the existing. It's it's pretty tight. On the right side, you see that there's only two southbound lanes. So, we'd be dropping that right through lane. Um, we are working through that with Henipin County right now. They have some feedback, but we're working through we're thinking we'll be able to get it get it dropped. Um, it's not necessary to have that that additional southbound lane. And so, that we would basically keep the utility poles in a similar similar location. They'd be behind the curb a few feet outside of the clear zone where it doesn't pose a safety risk. Um, but it would just be basically 15 feet in closer, excuse me, away from the right of way, edge of right away. As we go north from Fairfield to the city limits, um, you can see that this is kind of the existing condition on the left. There's an existing trail for I I can't remember. There's a section we're missing a trail. I I think most of it is in uh I think most of the city of Manka is paved all the way to city limits. On the right, you'll see the proposed section. No major modifications there. Um we are going to be proposing a small swale for a portion of this um segment. It'll be between the curb and the trail and that's to meet our storm water management requirements water quality and volume uh requirements. So similar to Josh's Brian Lake project design started in 2025. It'll continue into 2027. Um agreements will be forthcoming this year. bidding early 2027. Construction should be complete within 2027. Should be [laughter] ribbon cutting will also be 2027 [clears throat] or spring of 2028. >> Okay. Excellent. Thank you so much. Um council, any questions? It's a big exciting project, but also very nice that it's a Three Rivers project. >> Yeah, I have some questions. >> Oh, go ahead. >> Thank you. >> Um, so thanks. Great presentation. Really appreciated that. Um, can you just talk about the narrowing of roadways to minimize the encroachment um in both projects? Like what are we looking at in terms of narrowing lanes and how is the um with the new overall width compared to the existing like how how much wider are we looking at for the entire roadway including boulevards and trail? >> Okay, so for Baker Road the existing is has 12 foot lanes with sixoot shoulders. The proposed will be 11 foot lanes with about four or five to five foot shoulders. So it'll be narrowed about um what was that four feet >> but the overall but adding the trail. >> Oh, you want that width, too. Oh, >> yeah. How is the overall width like changing for the entire footprint? Width print, I guess I would say. >> Okay. So, >> of the segments. >> Yes. So, if the trail is on the let's say the trail is on the east side, the west side of the road will stay as is. That will not change and and everything will just kind of crunch in roadways, but then it'll extend out oh, probably another um six or seven feet. I'd have to take a look at exactly, but it'll where the pavement is now, there'll be pavement farther away from the center line of the road. So, >> so it's going into, you know, basically property. And you said you don't you're not going to have to um have easements or acquisition. There's we anticipate maybe close to 80 temporary easements that so the temporary easements are just for grading purposes and the trail will be outside of that um property. There could be maybe up to 15 permanent easements depending on uh retaining walls. So, if the retaining wall, let's say, is in the rightway, but you know, maybe within a foot or two and holding back um material on private property, we would get a temp a permanent easement because if we ever need to be reconstructed and there's tiebacks for the retaining wall. So, we would have to look at getting permanent easements for that. And and there's maybe one property where the road isn't in the center of the rightway. It's really skewed off to one side on the side we're putting the trail. So we might have to get some permanent easement because a small portion of the trail would be on the private property. So that would be >> already started talking to that'll be part of the design process as you go forward and contact those properties. >> Yes. All property owners have been got an early notification letter saying we may or may not need an easement from you. So now we're at the point where we're able to start staking out in the field. Here's the actual easement we need. get an appraisal and talk with each property owner individually for that. >> And but you said that's minimal in terms of not that many that you're going to need for that. Probably >> the permanent. Correct. Correct. We're trying to make that as minimal as possible. >> And um so are most [clears throat] of in both and I assume is the same for um the both both projects both the Bryant Lake and the Eagle Lake Trail. Is there similar? You would say the similar for yours? No, I'm not going to have any easements. >> And no easements. That's right. I saw that. But in terms of the lane narrowingway. >> Yeah, it's similar. Um on South Farn Road, for example, there's 4ft shoulders there that are really not fun not functioning or use not useful, I should say. Um so we're able to trim that up and then provide additional space for the trail. So the footprint there is probably increased by three feet or so. >> Three feet. >> Yeah. From from back of curb on the north side to the back of trail. And on both of those, thank you. That's really helpful. And then um for both of the projects >> um are there already there's trails just on one side, correct? Of the roadway. So that's that's the plan. There isn't trails being constructed on both sides of the roadway or there isn't existing um sidewalks or trails on the opposite side of what you're constructing. Is that correct? I there are some segments along the Eagle Lake corridor that do have sidewalk on [snorts] the other side but and there's an existing trail for most of it but we are taking it over as part of our regional system >> right >> so um we're expanding where we are doing construction we're doing 10 foot I think everything existing is seven or eight feet pretty narrow >> but you're not necessarily doing it on both sides >> we're not doing anything redundant >> okay >> or if there isn't a trail on either side obviously you're only doing it on one side >> correct >> thank Yeah, that's the same with both projects. >> Y Thank you. >> I have a couple of questions. Um, [clears throat] so I went to the neighborhood meeting last week and, um, there was a lot of great information there. Um and along certain segments certainly along Baker Road as you get further south on Baker Road um there will be a lot of tree loss. So what is the tree replacement policy? >> So we are working with city staff on on defining that and and the implementation of it. So still nothing specific yet. >> Okay. Do we have any idea? >> Yeah. Council member Calbert, mayor, council, I mean, we've talked about it. It's something we'll work with them on. Talked about using the tree sale potentially. I mean, if we were to come back and put trees back in the same place, you know, they run the risk. >> I don't I don't think we'll be able to put trees in the same place because there's going to be infrastructure there. But I'm just talking is it are we going to try to do like one for every two, you know? um because there's just it it is going to change the tree canopy and we're adding infrastructure which is going to I mean we're trying to you know uh reduce greenhouse gases but we're going to be adding to the urban heat island with the um paved trails and the wider footprint and so and we'll be losing boulevard trees. So I I I was just wondering sort of if there's been any thought put into >> Yeah, we haven't picked a number yet, but certainly open to feedback if you'd like to provide that feedback. >> And then and you know what my feedback will be? [laughter] So, um, and then the I I was reading some of the materials and in some places there was talk about um native um native seeds instead of turf grass and I was wondering can along you know I'm I just for myself because I live on the Baker Road um on Baker Road I'm just wondering And can people opt for native reeding versus sod or is it just going to be a grass seed? >> So the right now the plan shows the native seed on some steeper slopes in Lone Lake Park. Um trying to minimize disruption and and how much grading we need to do. So we have steeper slopes and we would look at using native seed that doesn't have to be mowed or maintained. Um we we haven't had a discussion about having it in the boulevard um along the roadway. I don't know how well that would hold up with the salt and and everything. So we do use a salt resistant seed is what we would be planning to use there. Um, it could be an option, but it could be hard to go individual properties because of, well, I wanted turf and now I have all this uh wildflower seed coming in and vice versa. The turf could take over in the future long term. It could be hard to do that. Um, >> but that that's our plan now. We could be open to it. I again with sometimes the uh city or county may have a have a standard that that would we would follow too. >> Yeah. And it's something we there's storm water areas. I mean it's certainly something we could look at. >> I'd be interested. And my only other question is I know it's going to come up because it looks like the Baker Road Trail is going to take a little bit longer than the Eagle Lake. So, we're looking at, you know, few a few years of disruption. And so, um, I wanted to know a little bit about, um, you know, communicating with the residents. Is there an end, uh, you know, are we starting on the north and working south? Sort of. How is it going to work to for people to get out in and out of their driveways? Just because I know those questions are going to come up. >> Yeah. So generally we would plan to start on the north side at Minnitanka Boulevard and work south. Um ideally we would get through [sighs] it would be great to get all the way down to Roland in the first year with the trail and then follow up year two with the roadway. We we might only get to Excelsure for example. It all depends on the contractor weather. Um and then year two for the trail roll in into Lone Lake Park and and hopefully by that point if we do have year two work on Baker that gets finished up right away and the county does the roadway work in one year. Um yeah, there will be we're planning for two lanes of traffic throughout construction. It'll be narrower lanes. There'll be the traffic control cone, so it'll be very visible. Um there will be times when they're working in front of a house that you can't get in and out of the driveway, but the goal would be for each night and morning you are able to get in and out that there wouldn't be there won't be open trenches. Um but during active construction in front of a house it'd be hard to get into the driveway. They'd keep it gravel, keep it accessible, but there will be some times when you can't during the the construction grading. Once we start getting into curb and gutter, there will be some some maybe a day or two where you can't or we'll have to look at how to get vehicles over curb and gutter that it's not going to destroy it. So, there's there's going to be some working with the contractor on that to keep it accessible for all the residents. And just this last question with with the immigration enforcement and the impacts to certain industries, are we anticipating any um delay just because the makeup of the crews might be a little bit different or difficult to you know the the workforce will have impacts >> at this time. We don't know. um projects last year and that we have out for bidder starting this year. We haven't experienced any delays yet. >> Okay. Um council, any more questions? >> I got a quick question. What's the >> What's the typical hours of operation for construction? >> Oh, good question. Usually it's about like 7 am to 7 p.m. or whatever. I don't know if you guys I'm not familiar with your specific city ordinance, but >> yeah, I mean that's So our our ordinance says 7 a.m. to 1000 p.m. >> during the week. We don't we never work that late. Generally that's in rare circumstances. >> Usually we see crews shut down around 5. I mean it's certainly something we could control too if needed. >> Okay. >> But you know generally crews want to get home at a certain point as well. So [laughter] you know we don't see it much past five. Okay. >> Anybody else? >> Kathy, you see anybody else? >> No. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. So, oh, go ahead. Well, >> sorry. Yeah, just to jump. We had two questions. I think we've got feedback on the first one. We did have a second one in there. You know, Three Rivers mentioned the overhead burial. That's not included in their project. Certainly something staff has looked at with them. Something we could work on in the upcoming CIP. We just wanted to see if you had any feedback. We'd be open to looking at some burial >> overhead burial line. >> 100%. It just I mean it just one of the most disappointing aspects of this. I mean I'm willing to take the hit and have the the path on my side of the road, but the utilities are on the other side of the road. And so we were missing that that piece of it. And it just seems like such a lost opportunity if we're doing that much work anyway. And I know that they're laying, you know, storm sewer all I mean, there's going to be a lot of digging, so why not? >> Okay. Anybody else want to put on that? >> When possible. >> Yeah. If if it's possible, do it. I think now's the time to do it. Yeah. >> All right. I think you got your answer. All right. Anything else, Will or Mike? >> Will's got the >> Not not from our end. Thank you. Appreciate the feedback. Thanks to Three Rivers. >> Yep. Same. >> Yeah. Thank you very much for coming. Appreciate it. And again, this has been a a long time coming. So looking forward to it. And I know both residents are as well. So thank you very much. All right. Uh Moving on. I don't know what we need a break. >> Sure. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Let's take a minute break, get reinvested, and then we'll be back for the next >> Yes, she said yes. >> Yes. >> Excellent. All right. Just quickly, if you all please um [clears throat] as we continue on this next agenda item, make sure to deferred to Py with your question. Make sure to keep orderly. >> Sorry. I just can't see the whole thing. So, all right. Moving. I appreciate that. Uh, moving along. So, we're on item 3C, which is the 2026 2027 Street Major Capital Improvement Project Review. Um, I think and will have that Unless Mike, you have something to start with. >> Uh, no, thank you, mayor. I I do not. Let's just uh for the sake of time, we'll just jump right into it and have I think Phil will start it off and then Will will also add. >> Excellent. Phil is yours. >> Thanks, uh, Mayor Council. Um, we have lots of projects here to run through, so appreciate that. I want to mention that Chris Long and Mitch Hatch are here. They're the ones that do most of the work from a coordination standpoint on these projects. So, wanted to mention that. and my clicker might need adjusting. >> All right. So, yeah, as I said, uh quite a few projects to run through. I'm going to do it in two sections. The first one just general overview of the projects that we have in town and then uh doing that pretty quickly saving time for questions if there are any and then spending a little more time on Excelsier Boulevard. Uh you know and with two questions there of uh is there support for trail on both sides? If not if just one uh we're going to run through a communication plan and uh a schedule revision. So, um, from that standpoint, there is lots going on in town. So, these projects are things that are going to occur in 2026, not necessarily construction, but from a communication standpoint, we might be in design and going through public engagement and bringing items to city council to review. Uh, so, uh, lots of different agencies running these projects. Uh, the two regional trails are included on this map. Uh two things to note is that uh the 394 corridor is going to be very busy with projects from a number of different jurisdictions. Uh so those projects are all independent. They're all happening relatively on the same schedule and um you'll probably see signage in that area for most of 26 and 27. Uh the other area would be Excelsier Boulevard. Uh there's just a lot of projects in that area and as we just talked about the regional trails are um in the same uh same corridor. Uh moving into projects 394. This project is set to start in April. Uh most of the work is around Excelsier but pavement uh rehab and replacement will be going on uh up to 494 including the ramp. So MDOT is handling this project. Communication through MDOT. if it linked matters from a coordination standpoint, but it will be most of the summer. Uh adjacent to that project is Gleason Lake Road. Henipe County is handling this project. It's a full reconstruction of the roadway, replacement of the trail on the north side, potentially a trail on the south side. They've gone out for public engagement this last fall, November. Um, so currently they're working on a concept that would come to city council in the future, design in 26,27 and actually construction in 28. So it's a little further out but um directly adjacent uh whitegate lift station force main rehabilitation. This project we're planning on construction this year, designing construction this year. It just needs to occur before the reconstruction of uh Gleon Lake Road. Hanniba County is overlaying Plymouth Road from 394 north through Plymouth. Uh so this summer they're going to be replacing ped ramps, doing ADA upgrades. Uh and then in 2027 they'll be overlaying the road. A couple things to note here is they're looking at potentially making some lane shifts and they would work through an engagement plan to do that. Um switching to a three-lane roadway and then Arthur Street has been a topic of the crosswalk there. So potentially some upgraded crosswalk in that location. Uh signals MDOT's replacing the signal on Plymouth Road um at the ramps. Uh they're doing they're closing the bus lane access parking lot access um removal of the bus lane. Um and so this project it will be in coordination with the county project and the overlay that is happening by the county. So this is 2026 construction same time as the county's project and the paving will occur by the county the following year boulevard guardrail replacement replacing the guardrail there in front of Moraurice Ford uh this will be is looking similar as the project in the lower right new guardrail steel so happening at some point this summer Marian lane lighting uh this is older lighting in the lower right hand corner uh nine lights be replaced excel is doing that work and it'll be uh look like the picture in the middle. So, we'll send uh we'll do a little bit of engagement and let folks know that that's happening and construction is planned for later in 2026. Midat's also replacing the signals at 394 Richdale Drive both north and south of 394. Um similar to the other project, they're replacing the signals. They're adding a sidewalk or widening a sidewalk shown there in green and and enhancing some crosswalks. And then after that work is done, uh we're working on the city end to do a couple quote projects to change some lighting and and seat walls to be uh match the Redale placemaking um work that that happened around the mall so it would all blend together. Um, Three Rivers Park. We just talked about this one last uh Sherwood lift station force main rehabilitation. This is lining an existing force main um adjacent to Hopkins Crossroad. Uh so um the involvement with the neighborhood there. This is all underground work and there will be some um some holes where the liner happens but for the most part um mostly underground work. Belmont storm sewer. This is some failing storm sewer in the neighborhood. Uh we are working both with public works uh crews and probably contractors to replace some of this storm sewer. It's in pretty tough shape. So we worked through preliminary designer 25 and we'll design and construction is planned for later in the year. Cedar Lake Road, Richdale Drive. These are overlay projects that we had brought to city council recently. uh replacement of four signals, ADA improvements. Um construction is planned for 2026 and I think it's about 1.2 miles of repaving. Mindot is also replacing the signal at 169 and uh and Cedar Lake Road both sides uh one in St. Louis Park, one in Mitaka Boulevard or one in Maka and then um paving at the same time as it's highlighted there. So, uh, coordinating this project with the city's project from a paving standpoint and access standpoint and a neighborhood meeting was just held just a couple weeks ago in January here and then um agreement was reviewed by council. Pond dredging next to Cedar Bund, tiny little pond. This is going to be just be a quote project. Um, planning for that construction in March or maybe a little bit after. timing is not um quite as important on as other previous dredging projects given the water levels there. We do have a noise wall coming in 2027. So this summer we're going to start engagement. Um planning for some branding in the middle of the wall. Mindot's currently putting together some renderings to take a look at. Um it will not be blue. It'll be a different color, but [laughter] the that's that's the option we had right now. So um coming soon. Um but there will be an agreement that uh council see probably towards the end of the year on that as well. Libs Lake Bridge, this bridge is um reduced load rating this last fall um and and has is in definite need of repair. So uh we're starting design and coordination engagement on this bridge. The goal is to have design complete by the end of the year so we can go out for some state funding. uh we need to be on the list with a completed fully designed project in order to apply for that funding. So construction is planned for 2029. It might take us a couple cycles to get through to get funding, but this will set us up to be able to apply for that. Menitaka Boulevard Trail, uh new trail on the north side of Mitanka Boulevard, uh planned for construction uh soon, I believe coming back to council March 23rd uh with bids. Uh, Minnitaka Boulevard lift station. This is towards Applewood Point. [laughter] Electrical and mechanical upgrades associated with the lift station for construction this year. Sanitary sewer lining. Um, it's cleaning and lining clay pipe in the area. We don't have those locations exactly figured out yet, but it'll be in the the red circle there. Uh, Windreidge lift station rehab. Same thing. Mechanical, electrical upgrades. um construction plan for 27 in this one, but uh design engagement is this year. Hopkins Crossroad Trail. This is the next u major north south trail. This is Minnotonka Boulevard down towards Highway 7. Um there will need to be overhead burial with that project. Uh it's a fairly um you know, similar to the the northern segments, fairly involved. We did receive some money from Henipin County, $500,000 to start project development and design. Um, so start that in 26 and then ultimately 29 is when construction is planned. This is Bryant Lake Regional Trail we talked about before. Kinsel neighborhood reconstruction project. We're heavy in preliminary design right now. Planning for a neighborhood meeting in April or May. That's a full reconstruction of the neighborhood. Um there will be park improvements and the trail plan does show a trail through that neighborhood as well. So as part of the engagement, we'll ask the neighborhood um what they want that to look like. Um planned for 2027 construction. Henipin County is going to be overlaying Excelsier Boulevard from Glen Lake to Shady Oak Road in 27 doing ped ramp work, ADA work in 2026. So fairly involved project there uh in coordination with the other work in the area. Uh we do need to replace a water main crossing across the road. Probably do that this summer. It needs to be in advance of Henipe County's work. Uh Henipin County is going to be overlaying and doing ped ramp work on Eden Prairie Road this year uh in south of uh Excelsier Boulevard down to Highway 62. uh red circle sidewalks. We're working on red on sidewalks along Red Circle Drive and along Shady Oak Drive and improving a crosswalk across Red Circle in that location. Uh should be widening along Shady Oak and a new new sidewalk on Red Circle. Green Oak Reversal. This is a project that was developed way back in 2013. It's reversing the flow uh of traffic and creating this central corridor around the the new park area and the station area. So, um it will also remove an existing signal. So, our infrastructure gets a little bit less and creates a little bit more flow around that central corridor area. Uh we're currently in design. uh will go out in probably later 2026 with some engagement planned for construction in 2027. Opus lighting, this is lighting replacement of all the trail lighting, primarily trailer lighting uh throughout Opus. Um design engagement is this year. We're planning for construction to start later this year, too. Would extend through most of 2027 as well. Uh holiday wingros drainage study. We did this drainage study in collaboration with uh NM Creek and Eden Prairie. And what this did is allow us to coordinate all the drainage um from the area shown there down into Birch Island Lake, which is in Eden Prairie. Uh we did that to set ourselves up for lift station repair and replacement at Woodgate Pond, uh Lake Holiday, and Kramer Pond. And so planning for uh woodgate and lift station replacement in 26 probably into 27 as well. Kramer lift station replacement as part of the Excelsier Boulevard project. And then we identified some storm sewer that needs to be upsized on Whited Avenue um tenatively earmarking that for 2028. Ultimately that would remove about 25 houses out of the flood plane. So, uh, a pretty big, um, change there in the positive, uh, once this work is all completed. We did have an open house in August to take feedback to from basically all the area shown there. Uh, Scenic Lane storm sewer, uh, just adding some storm sewer before the city's mill and overlay project uh, this summer. Uh, some failed storm sewer we'll be working on this summer. Uh, this will be a contractor project. Uh it's pretty tight between the houses. So there will be some design work that needs to be done. Um and a contractor to to do that work. Uh similar on Kingswood Terrace. Same type of thing. Just replace some steel failed storm sewer. Uh mill and overlay work. This is what our city crews will do for from a milling and overlaying standpoint. I think it's about 10.3 miles. So they'll get that done this summer. And similarly, uh, from an engineering standpoint, we put together these plans in house. Um, it's another couple miles of paving, uh, that we'll go out and get a contractor for, and then you'll see that, um, contract, I believe, March 23rd as well, uh, bids from that. And then water meter replacement ongoing uh, planning for about 9,000 water meters in 2026, primarily in the south half of the city. So with that, are there any questions? Does anyone want more detail on any of those projects? >> That's a lot. Anybody any questions? >> Looks like Deb has >> I have I have one quick one and that it just it sounds like a big, you know, it's a big deal with the lip gate. You were talking about the white head white head down. >> What what's involved in liftgate installation? So that sounds like if that you know the storm sewer is a big one. What's involved in? >> So the those are lift station replacements on those are existing lift stations that we have at those areas. And so really what we're doing is we've taken a look at now with new rainfall data. Are those the right size? This is a you know at least a 30-year design. So we want to make sure that that we're able to move as much water as possible. And so what's interesting about this um subwaterershed is that all the water goes to Birch Island Lake, it's just really about how fast it gets there. So they actually need water faster. So this is a very rare situation where we can increase the pump size. We can increase the mechanicals and the electrical to push more water through. We just have to get it there and then it has a place in Birch Island to get. So, it's upsizing those lift stations, replacing >> the pumps, the electrical, the mechanical, and then some pipes in the process. >> I have a couple questions. So, I see in the U packet, um, we have that alternative trail improvement over at the Haven Wood 101. >> Yes. >> Um, will that happen or is that a recommendation? >> I have that in part of the next piece with Excelsier Boulevard so we can talk about >> Okay. And then I have one more question. Um, and this is about the roundabout um that was suggested for Woodland and Excelsier. Um, where's that at? >> Uh, I have that in uh discuss. >> Okay, I'm like I'm thinking about things that I'm like, yeah, cuz no, those two things is on my mind. So, pretty much it. Okay, >> go ahead. >> Just a quick comment. Thank you for being so kind of opportunistic and and building on some of these things. I think that shows that you guys are really kind of thinking and trying to coordinate with some of the other agencies that are doing work. So much appreciated. >> That's a lot. >> Anyone else? >> No. >> Okay, great. All right. Thanks, Phil. I I like this little 15 minute segment. Um [laughter] gives us good context on what we're going to see. So, put Write that down. Keep it. Um, all right. So, moving on then we're going to talk about your second part of your presentation, Excel Boulevard. >> Yeah, thank you. Um, so >> the last time we talked about Excelsier Boulevard was December 8th and as part of that uh that process um you know we've been tracking this project for about three years, been in design and coordination with Henipin County for about a year and a half. Um so just going to talk through first what what is proposed with the project then go through some of the engagement and then um some alternatives there from a a trail standpoint. So uh the project includes full reconstruction of Excelsier Boulevard from 101 to Williston um meeting those county standards. Trails are proposed on both sides um to improve um you know safety, traffic calming, etc. We also have water man replacement, some isolated sanitary sewer replacement, overhead burial, um intersection improvements, and um drainage improvements. So, from a roadway standpoint, I'm talking about full roadway replacement um including concrete and curbon gutter. Uh you can see the typical section on the side. Six foot um shoulders bike um unroad bike lanes. >> I'm so sorry. and 11 foot drive lanes, safety improvements, traffic calming. Um, what I would say is these are general um general typical sections, but as we, you know, work through the design, I'll later in the slideshow, we'll show you how we we took a look at individual situations. Um, in general, 8 foot paved uh trail on both the north and south side of Excelsier. We did look at five and or six foot sidewalk, but it was not chosen just given the limited uses. Um, as a standard sixoot boulevard or six foot boulevard, uh, we did look at at two and 4 foot and you'll see those examples, uh, where we do need to tighten up to reduce impacts. Retaining walls are also used. Um, and then the extension of trail on the south side by Williston uh, between Willist and Eden Prairie Road. So there is an existing sidewalk in the north side in this uh location. However, it's been one of those areas that's been requested quite heavily by um people. So it's near the um the strip mall there in the brewery is um being added into the project and then a little overlook uh near Wing Lake. Um that said, from a standard standpoint, we're not proposing trail uh between Spring Lane and Clear Spring Road on the south side. That's just to acknowledge that the natural resources are there and that there is access uh using the tunnel and connection um by the library to 101. Uh there aren't any driveways there or new users. So able to uh remove the trail in that location. Uh from a crosswalk standpoint, there's eight locations throughout the project uh where there's enhanced crosswalk, which means um a concrete median where people can have a refuge uh look out for the traffic in one direction, not have to worry about both directions when they're crossing overhead power burial along the length of the project. Uh this really needs to occur uh at least begin prior to construction, but would last into construction as well. So planning for 2026 2027 for burial. From an easement impact standpoint, um temporary and permanent easements are needed for most properties along the corridor. I would say this is really standard for any of the trails that we've completed. Um listing some of those out Plymouth Road, Excelsier, Mitanka Boulevard, Hopkins Crossroad. This project is about the same impact as some of those other projects. It's just more because it's longer. It's two miles compared to some of the other ones that are a little bit smaller. So, um just given the road um width and and the history of it that easements are needed for from most properties um and the areas where you know there are uh impacts significant impacts and natural resources limiting those and I'll run through some examples here um from older projects. Plymouth Road. This is 2019. Uh the picture on the left is existing existing conditions. Uh and you can see that through design narrowing that uh the shoulder and then um and then narrowing the boulevard a little bit. You can see there's a little pedestal on the left hand side. So you can see how it fits in there uh in both scenarios. So even though it doesn't look like it's going to, there's really limited impacts there by adjusting the boulevard. Same thing with this project or this uh project on Excelsier Boulevard in 2020. Little retaining wall was used um and narrowing that shoulder reduced impacts quite a bit. Uh Excelsier Boulevard 2021 project uh you can see the trees um on the left side. There was some tree removal in this location, but through the use of a wall, through the use of narrowing that boulevard, that's a two-foot boulevard, concrete boulevard instead of a um you know, something wider. Um not that there wasn't tree removal, but it was definitely limited. You can see the the tree by the mailboxes is in both locations or in both pictures from this picture. Again, some tree removal, but able to save some trees. That twoft concrete boulevard is shown. We're able to steal some of the roadway um narrowing some of the lanes again to limit impacts as much as possible. Uh this is Minnitankka Boulevard 2023 trail construction. Uh you can see the bullet or the shoulder narrows the concrete curb is added again that two-foot uh boulevard concrete boulevard um and actually able to save those bushes and fit everything uh in that area. Last one here, Hopkins Crossroad 2024. Uh, this house is pretty close to the road. Looks like the impacts are going to be um pretty significant. Uh, we are able to really save most of it um by adding a wall um keeping that two-foot boulevard, the concrete, keeping the trail tight against the um the roadway. uh all these required easements. Um and I'd say this is a good example of um being able to grade back into the yard actually allows you to help fit the trail in and make it look natural compared to to keeping it tighter. So, um examples from Excelsier Boulevard of how this would work is the top picture. Um don't know if I can use a pointer here. No, I can't. Um there's a grass boulevard on the north on the top and as we get around the curve there by the arrow the boulevard drops and it's a just it would move to a concrete boulevard. So although we talked about the typical section of being a wider grass boulevard six feet we actually um are trying to limit those impacts as much as possible. Similarly on the south side the trails up against the road and as you head to the west widening it out to create a grass boulevard where possible. Similarly um through the process of design the concept on the on the upper left uh was what we had brought forward in August of 25 and it shows a grass boulevard through that whole section working through design and hearing resident feedback uh limiting um pushing the the trail right up against the back of the curb. That's a revised concept we brought in December. Uh so acknowledging that that um you know some of these impacts try to reduce them as much as possible and the picture below is kind of what the what it looks like there. So um I would say that some of the areas about replanting trees and um natural grasses. We do have several ponds that look like the one in the picture there. That would be a great place where we can plant as many trees as it makes sense. um use uh grasses and natural flowers in those locations. Um now backing up maybe to how we got here from a public engagement standpoint, we initially reached out to over 2100 properties, which is 5,000 plus residents back in September 24. Uh we at that point had told them we're going to start a project. We need survey. So we went through survey and gathered some data and in no November December of 2024 we opened up an online uh portal for receiving feedback on the existing conditions and asked people what they would like in a project if they had options. So we heard from we got 183 comments from 48 people a couple emailed comments as well. Um what we heard high level is there's support for trails. Uh people would like you know traffic calming um things like that. So the the highlighted three are they support the reconstruction of Excelsier Boulevard addition of a trail strong desired for walking and biking and then traffic near scenic height causes backups. Um so trying to take those themes into our um design and so we did that. We put together a concept uh that we felt uh reflected what we heard from the neighbors and the residents. Um we held a neighborhood meeting in August of 2025. About 90 people attended. Also held about 10 individual uh one-on-one meetings with people at their homes. Um took feedback there. ultimately opened up that online uh portal again to take feedback and received 115 comments from 18 residents and then 37 comments um and comment cards through that process. So, uh at first the comments received were more general of aspirational and these are more targeted responses of I like this or I don't like this. Um and so specifically about where those are located along the corridor. um more targeted. Uh and then, you know, there's support for roundabouts at the intersections, um support for sight lines, support for preserving trees, um pedestrian refues, refues, um desire to maintain lighting, but also minimize light pollution, um mixed opinions on the proposed trail on the north side, and then native plantings support for those. So we took the engagement from both the existing conditions and the proposed layout. Those are shown here. And um keep in mind the numbers of people that we reached out to 21 ho 2100 households you know 5,000 people. Um on the proposed layout we have 37 people or 37 comments related to trails. And I would say the top one we have five comments for opposition to trails. Um in the middle support for trail on both sides of the road we have nine. And support for one trail only on one side we have eight. So um I think yes there's support for trail. Um there's obviously some folks that oppose trail. Um, I also think we're hearing from a very small group of people. Um, usually, you know, my experience is when you go out to ask public comments and someone sees something on on the exhibit, if they support it, they usually don't comment. So, um, we did get some people supporting I'll say the the bottom all the bottom items are support for trail on one form or the other. >> So, uh, generally taking that feedback. um for next steps if for options to not have trail, you know, if if trail is recommended only on one side of the road, um what does that look like? So, we would um you know, we'd want to hear feedback about that and I'll kind of talk through a plan of what that looks like from a schedule standpoint. Um, from a communication standpoint, um, keeping our, uh, project team updated with Henipin County, uh, Henipin County Active Transportation Committee is interested in where this goes and they're asking us to come back and report late February, March on on the discussion. Uh, we did check in with the trails team since December 8th. Uh, confirmed support for trail on both sides of the roadway with the trails team. uh and and since that December 8th 2, we've quantified those impacts, evaluated costs and came up with that uh secondary schedule. So if trail is desired only on one side, uh staff would recommend that it would be the south side. This would provide a seven mile continuous trail from Excelsier Boulevard on Excelsier Boulevard from 101 to Blake Road in Hopkins. Um and it's really about the destinations for that southside. Um a figure here shows a little bit more where those destinations are. Uh the red uh circles are schools. Uh blue circles are the village centers. There's a couple churches in there and then parks as well. So um splitting that between north and south side. Um again the 2100 properties are highlighted there in the two colors represents about 5,000 residents. Um, this is the main east west corridor in this area and it's the only connection, east west connection south of Highway 7 other than 62. So, we expect it to be used um quite a bit. Uh, and then those residents that are if it's only located on the south side, those residents on the north side would need to find a safe way to cross. Um so there's approximately 8,000 cars a day on Excelsier Boulevard and those residents would need to cross the road. Um traffic volumes are highest in the morning and evening which is what we would expect when um ped or when pedestrians would want to be crossing. Um that's accessing the schools. If they're trying to walk to school, how do they get across? if they're trying to get to um you know walking the dog in the morning, that type of thing. Um so showing this picture on the right to show um you know residents that are on the north side would need to either cross um at a non-crosswalk location crosswalk location or walk down to one of the dedicated crosswalks. So it's not only people that live directly on Excelsier, it's also those that live up some of those roads north south. Um and then crosswalk meetings will not necessarily be located at each uh intersection. So um from a vehicle standpoint, 8,000 cars a day, um it would be similar to the Menitaka Mills area too. um from a traffic standpoint. Also, Plymouth Road um you know, south of the mall area is is pretty similar to and those are um somewhere in there. And then uh Baker Road is about 4,300 cars a day. So, it's it's significantly more than Baker Road. So, it's it, you know, talking about whether there's gaps there to safely cross. It seems like it's a busy enough road to to handle this type um to handle sidewalk on both sides. But, um, you know, at certain times of day there would be gaps. The middle of the day there would be gaps. I'm not sure that there the gaps are the same way in the the morning and the evening though. Um, property impacts uh on the north side. If the trail was reduced, they the impacts would be reduced, but they would not be eliminated because it's not the only piece of the project that that has impacts. Easements would be reduced. 39 permanent easements would not be needed. Those would mainly be trail easements. And then 17 temporary easements would not be needed. Um that doesn't necessarily mean we don't need easements from those properties, though. We just wouldn't need the same types of easements. So there would be less, but re we're probably still talking to most of the property owners along the corridor with an easement need of some type for the project. And then adding in less infrastructure, uh there would be less walls needed. Um yes, less impacts to natural resources and in long range plowing and maintenance. from a schedule standpoint, making that change. Um, from a communication standpoint, we would need to go back out and let the let the residents know that there's a change in scope. And so, we would need to update a concept and then go back out to a neighborhood meeting, um, get feedback on that layout and then walk work through those questions and ultimately come back to city council in June or July. um discussions with Hannipan County, uh they would want to have a pretty involved engagement process to understand if there's support. Um just knowing how some of these go, I would expect that we would just get different feedback. Um I don't think we would necess we'd hear from a different group of people on their level of support for the project. Um similarly, as I said before, I think there's a lot of folks that just generally aren't commenting if they support the proposal that's in front of them from an engagement plan. Overall, uh this would impact when we're bidding. We're probably not able to bid until spring summer of 27 instead of that window of 26 into 27. Um construction would then be delayed. I'm not we're not exactly sure what we can get done in 2027. will probably start, but we don't want to open up a bunch of work that we can't get done um in that time frame, too. So, it would for sure extend construction into most of 2029. Uh from a cost standpoint, uh both trails are about 15 million um split not quite evenly for a lot of different reasons. um trail in the south side only. It's about five million in savings overall for the project. Uh two and a half million uh for the trail improvement fund. Um as a standalone project, that project probably costs about $10 million to add trail along the north side. So if it's, you know, reviewed later and someone comes back in and wants it, it's probably about $10 million. The the other piece that's not on here is that by delaying the project with those schedule impacts, we're probably adding about a million dollars to the project cost with inflation by missing that bidding window. It wouldn't necessarily be attributed to the trail improvement fund, but it would be split among the other funds that are remaining. Um, doesn't necessarily fit on the slide, but I added on that on December 19th, the city was notified that we were successful um with a grant for a million dollars to bury overhead power. So that adds on to the county contribution u of 24 million now and 25 million. So the Havenwood sidewalk adding the signs as it came up on that meeting on December 8th. Uh sidewalkers requested uh several times over the years from Havenwood restaurants or residents to connect to 101. Uh we took this to the trails team and ranked that little segment against the other trails just to see where it would um fall in comparison and it ranked 23 of the 72 segments. Uh easements and utility relocation are needed. Uh you can see it in the picture in the lower right hand corner. There's a little bit of a burm there. There's some trees there. That whole area is full of private utilities. Uh needing to redo that little retaining wall and make some signal adjustments. So that's all that could be added for $50 to $75,000. We could wrap it into the project if council would like to direct that or or not. And so with that, back to the questions of does council support trail on both sides of Excelsier Boulevard and if not um support the communication plan presented and revised schedule. >> Excellent. Thanks, Phil. Very good summary of what happened here. All right, council. Um, let's first Anybody have any questions? And let's try to be as efficient as possible on this one. >> Um, are you This is specifically for the Excelsier Boulevard questions, right, Mayor? >> Correct. Right. Anything anything regarding what Bill just went over on that project? >> Okay. I have some questions. But >> so um so so it would cost a million dollars you generally to delay this which which means okay so if we don't do the north side of a trail then then we save $5 million but we have to push it out right. So and so that would cost a million dollars. Is that I mean with all of that that >> yeah the we're estim >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. The city portion would be two and a half million and we think that that there would be um with inflationary pressures there's a lot of unknowns too with all the tariffs but just in general um pushing a project would probably cost the city about a million dollars. And then well mostly I was going to ask about how the county so it feels like we have a good relationship with Tenibin County >> and I my question is my concern is um sort of I don't want to make the county mad and so that they leave Minnetonka and because it feels like we have a lot of projects that we partner with Henipin County and like are we going to make them mad? Yeah, they they definitely support trail on both sides of the road. I think they they understand there's you know this is our community and and you know they would like to listen to city council but um they definitely support trail on both sides of the road for all the reasons talked about from a connectivity standpoint. I think that's why the active transportation group is interested in the conversation because they would support it but they're not considering the same things that you may. Um, and we we just don't know. We don't know if they'll decide, forget it, Minnetonka. >> Right. We just >> I think they they will, you know, if if we get to that point, I think they would understand where we're at. Um, but >> but you're using political capital to get there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We don't we don't know. I mean, we don't think so, but yeah, this is certainly something that, you know, maybe it'll be fine. Maybe they'll be concerned on the next project. I mean, but like Phil said, they they definitely support both sides for the reasons he went through. >> We haven't been a problem child before us. So, >> okay. Any other any other question? >> I I have one if you don't mind there. Um just thinking e either way about the timing whether whether we just you know approve both sides or so just thinking about the timing of Excelsier Boulevard and also the the Baker Road trail that that seems simultaneous and like um what how are we going to help people get around on that end of town because that that's going to be a lot of disruption all at the same time. >> It it will be uh it will be a lot of disruption. Um it really depends on how we phase those projects. They're such long projects that by phasing the work um on the east end of one and the north end of the other and so they don't exactly overlap uh will drastically help. doesn't mean that there won't be impacts and they won't overlap, but we can phase the work by working with our other partners to to limit those impacts as much as we can. >> Um, the other the other question I had is if if the council wanted to, you know, if we had to go back to the public for engagement because we we were contemplating just one side, would there be a danger of losing the $1 million for utility burial because we're not Is there like a time limit for that? >> Uh I don't know if there's a time limit. I think those are two independent things. I think they would be able to work through that. Um >> I just wouldn't want to put it in jeopardy because that would value. One thing I didn't mention though is that one of the things we hear about when we do trail projects, um, typically we go out to the public and we ask, "What side of the road do you want to go on? Do we want to go on the east side or the west side, north, south, whatever?" And so we get all that feedback and then we pick a side of the road because these are, you know, standalone trail projects just to connect a corridor. Um, and so this is a little bit different opportunity with a reconstruction project. Um, typically we hear back, you know, just after the Hopkins Crossroad Trail got put together, heard from folks, okay, great. Now, when's the other side going to be done? Well, that might be a while, right? Like we have a lot of other areas that don't have any connections in town. So, um, in the Hopkins situation, that was maybe a little more directed towards changes in busing, kids trying to get to school, but still trying to cross that road is a difficult thing. So, >> um, >> and I have another I have a question. >> Any other questions? >> And that standalone project, if we decided to add it, it would be $10 million. >> Yeah. As of today, and and at that point, you know, right now we have um with the cost sharing that with Henipin County, it's a 5050 split for the trail and the easements and that type of thing. I don't that probably would not be available if we came back a handful of years from now and said, gosh, we'd really like to put that in the north side. And then I think Mayor Kimberly or um Kyle had a question, but she had one like way longer. >> Yeah, I just mine. >> Yeah, I just had a question. Um I know um you talked about the um you know the Haven Wood, but you didn't mention the um turnabout. >> Oh, the browns. >> Yeah, you didn't I know and then you talked about the different crosswalks that that's needed, but you didn't really mention. >> So I would just want to hear more about that. loves. Where are we at with that? >> From what is what we're recommending in the scope of the project, it would be to add a roundabout at at Scenic Heights, at Woodland, and at at Williston. And so, Woodland and Williston currently have signals at those two intersections. Uh through the traffic analysis, we determined those were not warranted signals. So, from a support standpoint, um it's kind of the option of would we want uh stop signs or um you know, a different category would be roundabouts. Feel like roundabouts do a really good job of traffic calming. Um they're good for pedestrian crossings in a lot of situations, this being one of them. Um and would help a lot with that scenic height. So, uh, I would say that from a feedback standpoint, from a resident standpoint, we generally had support for roundabouts, I think there were a couple comments here and there of of, you know, not not um, supporting, but um, in general, I'd say they were supported. Is there something specific? Yeah, for me I talked to a couple residents, so I I don't think they really for me and my the ones I talked to, they didn't really >> care whether it was the light or um a flashing light. I think the recommendation was the um the turnaround or turnabout, but I don't think it really made a difference between the residents which one it was. It was just more so we want something there. And so I know that the city is thinking about more so if we did the light um then the city would need to pay for it. I think that's might kind of explain something similar to that to me a while back. It's a cost analysis that we're looking at um to the county will help pay for it. Yeah. >> And they wouldn't pay for the lights or something like that. I'm not sure that the county would even support them even going in even if we did pay for them because they're unwarranted. Um, again, we could have that conversation with Henipin County and talk through that. Um, I think what the roundabouts do though is they do provide a lot of traffic calming that that the lights don't today. You know, if you're driving linearly down the road, um, it is a physical barrier that you do have to slow down for compared to if you have a green light. So, from that standpoint, I think it makes a lot of sense to include them. Um, but I I don't know if Henipin County would support them going back or not. We haven't had that conversation. >> One more question. Um, my question would be if you see that there's like congestion at Sitting Heights, Woodland, and another road, why would it be congestion? Cuz to me, the congestion really starts by the high school. So, there was not a mention of a turnabout in that area. So why is it farther down Excelsia versus over by the high school? >> Yeah, we we started this project right at 101 and and the congestion that was mentioned in the early initial conditions was about scenic heights in the elementary school. um just changes in how people operate from dropping their kids off and picking them up early is that people stack up and down scenic heights and actually block the intersection and cause a lot of delay in that area. So, um in coordination, we're working with the school to modify their parking lot. I didn't necessarily add that in here, but um I think that's a crucial part to making sure that roundabout actually operates the way it should. um if the school does not move forward with that, I think we need to be cautious about how we move forward. Um but at the same time, um having one officer be able to handle how to manage the roundabout is a lot easier than than standing in the middle of the intersection and and pushing cars also. So it it's in the worst case scenario, I still think a better option than what we have today from a stop sign standpoint. >> Okay, Paul, I mean that's Paul. >> Thank you. Um, so I think the other thing the concern just to follow up on because before I get to mine is that there was concern about the space taken by a roundabout. I think we talked about this at the December meeting that there's really not more space taken up by a roundabout because you're eliminating turn lanes and I think that was the concern of some residents. Correct. >> Correct. >> Thank you. Um, so I think when we tabled this on um in December, you know, I think some of us were concerned about, you know, is there a way to somehow narrow the overall footprint some of the things that I was asking about in the other project and so, you know, by doing things like Three Rivers has done, which is eliminating some boulevards or narrowing shoulders or things like that. Has there been any movement kind of in that direction? I think that, you know, kind of what we talked about is is there a way to kind of think about this in in another way to kind of reduce that width print for one of a better word? Um, especially regarding some highly impacted properties. So, I guess that would be one of my questions. And have we documented some highly impacted properties because I've kind of gone out and walked a few. So, >> um, if you can talk to the first one since >> Yeah. So I I talked through what the typical sections would be of that six foot boulevard, 8 foot trail. Uh I would say we've gone through several different iterative processes to to narrow that boulevard um in some of those impacted properties trying to keep it um you know a boulevard where we do have room but then narrow it down where we don't have room. Um there are a few areas where it does get really tight. Um, you know, near Scenic Heights, it gets tight. Um, some of the areas uh just west of Wing Lake are are tight. Um, and so there will be some impacts there, but we've reduced it down as much as we can from a Lanewood standpoint, from a boulevard standpoint. >> So, um, that that's good. So, how much narrower is it going to be now than when we saw this on December 3rd, or are we looking at the same project? >> Most of those There are probably a couple areas, but mainly what you saw in December 8th, that concept included a lot of that narrowing um already. >> So, my concern um is is that I mean, if this was viewshed, that would be one thing. There's a couple of properties and um that literally >> Well, I'm gonna interrupt you. I think we're just gonna deal with questions and then we'll move on to kind of answering question on that. >> I am asking a question. >> Oh, okay. I thought you were giving a comment. >> No. Um, so there's a couple of houses that don't have a backyard at all because they back up right up to the wetland and then the their driveways, you know, the way the previous planets seem like it was really literally going to go almost within 20 feet of their front door. Um, is there any way to mitigate that? Is there anything foreseen for those? You know, it's one thing losing trees. We can replant trees, but you know, some of those um I'm concerned if if there's a way to do that because some people are trying to sell their houses and aren't being able to do it right now. >> Um, other people are relying on those houses, their fixed income, and being able to sell those houses to support themselves going forward. And given that we during on some parts of of the northern part we're not having a trail to protect natural resources. Um is there a possibility to do that for these few highly impacted um houses where literally it's almost going up to their front door and they have no backyard. >> Yeah. in not knowing specifically where those are seeing them. Um I would say we're always iteratively trying to reduce impacts as much as we can. Those are impacts typically with trees. Um you know working all the way actually through construction. Even if we show a tree on the plan doesn't necessarily mean we take a tree if we can work around it. Um, from a a location standpoint, um, that gets, I guess, difficult to whether, you know, if the trail's there, the trail's there. You know, could we look at, you know, we're sharpening the pencil at this point? You're talking a foot or two, not necessarily, you know, 10 feet. So, does that that, you know, does the does the feel change for somebody that's that has a trail in their front yard? Does a foot matter? Um and so yeah, we're constantly sharpening the pencil, but I don't um we haven't looked at necessarily um removing certain segments of trail more from a consistency standpoint. >> Right. Yeah, I but I'm just saying there's a precedent there. Correct. Because you're not doing a trail on the north side um at one part because of natural resource issues. >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Kimberly. You had a question. No, I did not. >> Okay. All right. Any other questions? So, let's try to tackle these what the staff wants of us. And I would add a third front, which is um that Havenwood section as well. We probably should give some insight too. So, first of all, I think the primary question we have to ask is does council support a trail on both sides for this project? Is there I support the trail on both sides of the I mean because I feel like I mean what you said about people may come back later or you've seen people come back I can see why someone would come back um to ask u for trails on both sides and then I do remember um there was comments about you know trying to um make sure people are safe as they're crossing you know you have to will walk up a mile or half a mile to um cross over and I can I I'll just say I I just support it. I'm not going to Yeah. >> Thanks, Kazine. I'm going to go over to Kimberly and work my way down. Kimberly, do you have a perspective? >> Yes. I also support trail on the both sides. Um, as a cyclist, there have been times when I've chosen to ride on a busy road rather than ride on the opposite side of the road where the trail is because it's it's not it it's more difficult to get to where I'm actually trying to be when there's not a trail available and crossing the busy roads a lot of times trail access you can't you can't get to where you want to get to easily and it's dangerous trying to cross that road. It's more dangerous trying to cross that road. Um so for safety as as uh aspect for both pedestrians and cyclists um and then I also don't want to delay the project. >> Yeah, I would I would agree that I would support both sides and mostly because you know for delaying I don't want to delay it and also um we've seen decisions being made and then years later I can see people coming back and saying, "Where's the north side of that trail?" So, I support both sides. >> Excellent. Paula, >> uh, yeah. Um, I think in normal times, I'm having trouble with this. I would agree that, um, a trail on both sides for most of it makes sense. I also am worried about the tyranny of the majority. I hear what you're saying about um public engagement and I appreciate all that was done and and everything, but we have several properties that are going to be seriously impacted. And think about if that was your mom, your sister, your dad or uncle or aunt who is looking at their life savings and everything they have. That's their main asset and they're depending on that to sell and be able to live on. And for us to just say, well, I mean, I get it. It's public safety. I am just asking that we find a way, whether we, you know, offer to buy them out. This is a $30 million project for these people. And I understand precedent or we find a way, you know, to help these people by not having a segment in this stretch if if it's possible. These are people that are butt up to the wetlands. They have no backyard and they're going to have a trail 20 ft from their front door and they're not going to be able to sell their houses and there's other parts of Minnotonka Boulevard of 101 that do not have trails on both sides including in front of my house. So I have to I have to cross a very busy street in order to get across. My kids cannot cross safely. These are the things that sometimes, you know, happen and I get that you take one for the team, but it's not something, you know, because there was wealthy people on my block who didn't want their front yards taken and they could put pressure on and that's what happened back then. >> Okay, tell it, Paul. >> So, you know, I'm just asking us to think about some of these residents who are our neighbors who are going to be severely economically impacted. Yes, we have the majority for whom it's not a big deal >> and who want this but how are we going to take care of these people who this is their one main asset. So I would you know strongly encourage either we find a way to make them financially whole by buying them out or we figure out a way to extremely narrow that trail in front of them. no, you know, boulevard, very narrow trail or we cut out that segment. Um [clears throat] I found the images that um Phil was showing very helpful to illustrate how um the the trail construction can be um massaged to fit um the space available and minimize the impacts of people And I am very I feel very strongly similarly to Paula, but I also um I also I mean you're expressing how difficult it is to get around because there isn't the trail segment on your side. And so there is there there's both there is both sides on this issue and you do have the whole neighborhood to the north that would be impacted with having trail sections um in certain places. I have very mixed feelings. I think I struggled with it for since the uh what was it December 8th when we first talked about it. Um, and I've been dreading the conversation, but I think ultimately, um, as long as we can minimize impacts and really work with the county, because if we aren't asking them to change their policy, I really expect them to work really hard with us to meet the needs of our community and the people that live on that street. I don't know if buying people out, but maybe there are some things that we can do to make some of the most impacted residents um less unhappy um and less impacted. So, I I'm coming down on both sides. I also feel like there is just going to be tremendous tree loss. And again, I really want to make sure that we are maintaining the feeling that that we are a tree city. And I want that boulevard feeling where there are trees hanging over the trails to keep them shaded and prevent the urban heat island because this is really going to change two major roadways in Minnotonka and I want to make sure that it still looks and feels like Minnotonka. >> Great. I'll weigh in briefly. Um you know I was very very conflicted on this in December. Some of that has coalesed um for me in that I've received you know we've received some input from people that I thought were going to provide input to the other side which is save that money and continue connections in other parts of the city and I'm hearing a lot of support throughout the community for trail on both sides. obviously sensitive to the impact of individuals and I want to be um you know I agree with I think Doug said it very well um you know what can we do to reduce those impacts however you know always think about what is read during the U planning commission meetings which is balancing the rights of indivi individuals versus the you know um safety and security of the community as a whole and this is one of those instances um where you know there is a sacrifice um there's a sacrifice when a trail goes through people on Baker Road are experiencing that you know there are a few very small lots on Hopkins Crossroad that experience that too very very small lots and in fact you know I I appreciated Phil including some of those the way the trail has been developed there I I think did minimize some of the impact and I was really heartened and and frankly I think those residents were surprised by how they were able to make it fit in. And so I recognize that there can be a sacrifice, you know, where all many of us live on arterial streets and have have or are going to have trails through what we consider to be our yards, but really is the right of way. Um, so I think given the minimal financial, you know, relatively speaking, um, impact of having the trail on both sides, which was my, you know, biggest concern. I'm comfortable going forward with this project. So with that, I think staff has the direction they need on that piece of it. But we do owe unless I hear otherwise one little piece, which is um regarding that haven, but I'm just going to keep the floor for a second to share my I'd like to see that piece complete. I think the cost is, you know, relatively speaking, not um going to break the bank. I'd like to find a way um to get better cooperation from the property owner. I understand that that has been hurdle that could bring some um of the cost down. So to the extent that maybe we could leverage the input of the residents of Havenwood to help us get some movement on the uh from the property owner uh where the trail needs to go. I would love to see that. So, that's my input and I'll let anybody else has any perspective on Havenwood. Um, go for it. >> I was just going to say I also support um what Rebecca just said. Um, I know I've talked to residents um several times and there's been several emails um in in regards to this and I think it's just a small ask for um you know this Haven Woods is a senior citizen building and I think it's just a small ask. so that um seniors can be able to also walk across the street safely. And so I support it. >> This is this is Deb and um I'm also supportive. I I do start getting a little uncomfortable because there are people in my neighborhood that want a little section on Orchard Road to connect with um the trail that's being built on Baker Road. And so there are these little like special dispensations that people are asking and that's you know safe route to school type of thing and I think it's number 49 or 140. It's way down the list way further down than the one that we're talking about but it's the same kind of you know really dangerous narrow road with no place for kids to walk and the school's right there. So, I I I get a little uncomfortable making, you know, changing the order of things. That said, there's a library across the street. Some of those neighbors are going to be able to make it to the library without getting in a vehicle. So, I mean, those are the kinds of it's it's a minimal cost. And I totally agree with Rebecca about let's see if we can um put a little bit of pressure on the property owners to help us do us a solid year and do the right thing. All right. Do we have what we need on that? Mike will >> Yeah. Excuse [clears throat] me. Yes. I think I think so, Rebecca. Unless there's concern. I'm not seeing concerns here from the council on what's been said. So, I think we have good direction on that. Mayor, I would just say I I look at Julie back there as well that we've been try we I say we as staff have been trying for years to get that easement from the budding property owner and Julie's been a part of those conversations too along with our engineering staff and it's been hard because I think part of it is the owner of that property is not from Minnesota. They're not part of the community. I think is in Boston. I think they're like live in Boston. So they're they're not tied to the community. So, they're not compelled to overly cooperative. Um, but we will try um to see what we can do again, but I wouldn't bank on too much assistance from them. >> Okay. All right. Fair enough. >> All right. Well, thank you. Thanks everybody and Will and Phil and the rest of the team that's there. Um, thank you for your patience with us on this. I think it was a useful exercise. I'm sorry for the conrnation. I know. Uh so um thank you very much. >> And then mayor I just want to just make sure I if just want to summarize real quick. So going back to Excelsier Boulevard based on the conversation what I heard from council was uh support for the trail on both sides. Uh I think staff and also understands there are properties that are impacted and I think as noted by staff as we always do with any project we work really close with neighbors uh property owners on those impacts to make sure those are lessened. Um I think a good example is going back to the Tonka Woodcraft project that was a two-year project where we had hundreds of properties impacted. uh our staff uh was fantastic in working with property owners on trees and how bushes were going to be impacted and where sidewalks and curb lines would go and so that's what we do and so I think uh Phil had mentioned that that's our intent here too is understanding which properties will be impacted and working with them on how to make sure those are lessened >> right thanks Mike >> and >> all right >> okay >> I think that's it >> all right so we will move on to the next item which is 3D W city council vacancy determination for scoring review and selection for interviews. So um Mike, are you going to start and hand it off to Miranda? >> I think we'll just have Miranda jump right in if that's okay. Do we need to confirm that the council wants to make these selections now that make sure that we not um running a following? I understand it. There doesn't seem to be an appetite for a subcommittee. Is that right? >> Uh so Rebecca, I think maybe what what I'd recommend is Miranda will kick it off. She I think she has like an opening slide or so that kind of tease kind of tease up what you're asking. So I think in the Miranda's tea up we'll get to I think the very first major decision on this and that is um which process to use. >> Excellent. All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Sorry I was getting the PowerPoint up. >> All right. Thank you. Um so for the action items tonight, we usually end with action. I'm going to start with action just because there is decisions to be made um which is determining the process for selecting candidates for the interview. So either by creating a subcommittee or by discussing candidates um live in this meeting and we'll go through what that will look like on both sections so council has a full scope on what we would do on both before we make the decision. And then at the end we'll discuss this interview format and the selection criteria for the assignment process. There we go. So just some background. Um I'll be quick on this. On January 12th the council considered a special election appointment and council directed staff to proceed with the appointment. again on um January 16th we did open up the applications and all the public notification began. Um it was pushed in all variety of areas. Um dur especially what I want to point out is the community connection newsletter that goes to all apartment complexes um in Minnetonka um that is hosted by community development staff that was pushed out as well. On January 26, council reviewed the timeline and provided feedback. applications closed last Wednesday, February 4th, at 11:59 p.m. We did have an application come in at 11:58 um that evening. So, um people came in right up until the deadline um and we received 20 applications. Every application that came in, our city clerk did go through each one and she verified that they lived in W 2. We actually had 22 applications, but two individuals did not live in W 2. So, we verified that she, our city clerk, called those individually and let them know they did not live in war 2. So, those candidates are both aware they're not part of the process. Um, must be at least 21 years old and be an eligible voter. And then again, we're on that March 6 deadline. So, council direction, um, mayor, here's where we'll have to make a decision. So, again, we did receive 20 applications that were eligible. Um and again all of them met the minimum eligible criteria. So two choices this evening. So does the council wish to form a subcommittee or select finalists for interviews during this meeting? If we do a subcommittee I have a Minnetonka mug back here with all six names in there that we can draw um to determine the three that would be on the subcommittee. If that is the decision that is made, we'll draw those names and we'll end we'll move on to the next agenda item. And then during that February 10th, which is tomorrow through February 17th, that subcommittee would meet. Give Eric and I back the names that you wish to interview and I'll reach out February 18th or sooner. Um, if we choose to do it in this meeting, what what we would propose as staff is we created a mentometer. The mentometer has one through 20 on it. Um, I did give each of you a list of candidates one through 20 and a name next to it. Um, they're at random order. Did I just randomized it? Um, and we would put the menntimeter code up. We would have council indicate their top five choices. Once everybody's in, I would then open the mentoimeter and we would see if there's any consensus. um depending on what that consensus would be. If we would need to narrow down the scope, I do have a summary ranking sheet ready to go where I would plug in the numbers and we would see that at that point who would rise to the top. Um my understanding is council is wishing to interview up to five and so that may happen in the mentometer that may not. Um we do have that way of narrowing it down um for discussion to happen in this room. And then applicants selected for an interview will be notified as soon as we know. So if we know tonight, I will let applicants know tomorrow whether selected or not selected. Um otherwise I would just wait for the subcommittee to hear at to this point. Um unless they've reached out, they have candidates have not been communicated with. So as part of the interview when they applied, they got a kickback letting them know a couple of details and so there's been no communication since then. So, I would do that then following this process and mayor, that's where I would turn it back to you. >> Okay, great. Well, let's just do this and find out where people sit. We'll go the opposite direction this time. So, Deb, what approach do you prefer? >> Um, I've struggled with this. I sort of maybe the menty meter. I mean, I've studied the candidates and there's actually there's an embarrassment of riches, but there's also some obvious um folks and then people that are less. So, I I feel like we can get there. Um I also feel like even even if we just have five, I I felt like one hour this is this is a really important appointment. This is the economic engine ward. Let's let's pause on that because I think we're going to talk about in a minute. Okay. >> Um the process. >> Okay. >> And if it seems like we want um if we need more time or something, we can talk about that. But let's figure this step and then more for us. >> I think you have my my feedback on that. >> All right. Paula kind of agnostic on it. Um yeah, my tweeter's fine. I think there's value in having a subcommittee doing it, especially those who are more familiar with some of these individuals. We've got a few people here who are have served on boards and commission. So, I'm I'm torn. So, since I'm agnostic, why don't you keep going and I'll kind of try to >> sub subcommittee. >> Okay. >> I'd like to do the mentter. >> Okay. And well, It just is a matter of time. Like I don't I don't want to spend all night here. >> I don't either. >> And for me personally, like just I don't have I don't have anything ranked now and like reading it on the iPad and trying to get it. It's it's it's a little bit clunky for me. So, like I want I want the input of everybody, but also I guess I'm kind of leaning towards subcommittee just um and maybe if I'm not a subcommittee member, just trusting that my fellow council people would would make some good choices for the for the top five candidates. >> So, I'm hearing two subcommittee, two amen, one go either way. [laughter] >> Well, I can put I can chime in now. I think I given what remarks of my fellow council members, I would say probably go with subcommittee. >> Okay. And I went came into the day thinking subcommittee, but but then was ready to go either way. Um I trust that there are a few people that we probably all would put on our list to want to interview with subcommittee will do that. So is there anybody? It sounds like we've got subcommittee. Um, is there anybody that doesn't that wants Miranda to pull your name out of contention for the subcommittee? Doesn't want to do the subcommittee. >> Can I ask a question? Like what what's the time commitment on the subcommittee? >> Like >> I would say it be like an hourong zoom meeting or meeting in person um >> to go through talk about the applicants and that's what I would Okay. >> I'm happy to help coordinate that, mayor, and schedule a room to use or schedule the Zoom or I can be a middle a middle coordinator on that as well. >> Okay. >> So, it would just be an hour, would you say? >> It's sort of up to the subcommittee given the >> 20 candidates. So, I mean, >> so I'm just saying I have a job, so I can't >> But like you would have enough time now that like >> if if you say we're meeting on Wednesday that I could go through all the stuff and have my ranking done and come in ready to >> which I don't >> have that on Saturday maybe you know that's >> okay >> all right let's just draw >> just just to re reiterate for the group said this at the last um study session meeting but the subcommittee once drawn the subcommittee would be conducting this as as a group of less than a quorum of the council right >> and so they would be doing it without input from those that are not selected to avoid the serial open, you know, implications of the open meeting law through through communications that add up to a quorum. So, just so that everybody's aware, >> um, those selected for the subcommittee would be making the decision on behalf of the group and this is just the interview pool. >> One follow up to that. So, we we don't get to discuss here then if we do the subcommittee, we forgo that for the subcommittee. Okay, that's correct. Want to make sure I understand. And I would Rebecca, I would just add to the question on timing. The task of the subcommittee is to take that list of 20 and determine who you want to interview. >> Right. >> So it's depends on how much prep work everyone does on the subcommittee and how fast you are at coming in and sitting down and filtering through those apps and reaching a consensus. >> And there's, you know, foundation for options. the subcommittee I think could figure out a process that would help them figure out. So, okay. Um, nobody wants their name removed from the option to be on the sub. No pressure. Nobody can indulge you if you don't want to be on the sub. >> You know what? I I don't I guess I'm not going to take the time. Sorry. I did study them. I know who I want, but >> Well, that's why I wanted I think we all know who we want. >> We can't talk about it. All right. So, um remove name and then if Sarissa or Miranda could pick three people. >> There you go. >> I just >> Paula, should I stand up? You can see it if you look in. So, I'm trying to avoid you looking in. >> Kizzy, >> Rebecca. >> All right. Okay. >> There we go. >> We're uh I'll reach out to the two of you and we'll find a time that works for everybody to sit down and go through this. >> All right. >> Great. >> Mayor, I do have a few more slides if I may. Yeah, >> not about the not about the candidates. >> Um, >> so just quick few next steps. So Wednesday the 18th would be the last day I could know who the candidates are. So those on the subcommittee >> um just because a packet's due. >> I do need to know by that day so we can contact the interviewees. >> Um the next item is I think hitting on what Deb talked about. So, February 23rd, we do have a special needed slate special meeting slated for 5:00 pm. You do have a 6 pm council meeting that night. If you go with five, I don't think an hour is going to be enough. Um, because during that meeting, what has to happen is we'll do the interviews in here and then at 5:40ish, hoping we could wrap up in that time frame, council would go to the Gray's Bay room to eat. staff would remain in this room. We do have to tally the results that evening and then the the council has to reconvene in this room and we have to announce the winner that night. That would all have to happen prior to the 6 pm meeting. >> Okay. >> How long are the interviews? Well, that's me. I think it's up to the So, the subgroups determine how many you're going to interview. >> I think staff would recommend five. >> Decide on three. You can decide on eight. It's really up to the subcommittee how many you want to interview. From an HR perspective, we would recommend five is a good number. >> Um, probably a half hour each. A half hour would give you five questions, maybe six depending on how fast people move through them. So, you're going to have Five main five questions and >> half hour each to get through that. So if you interview five that's >> two and a half >> two and a half hours >> plus you need some time to do the >> scoring >> backend scoring. >> Yeah. And I was really concerned about that earlier. I And this is so important >> to get it right. I don't want to do it fast. I feel like >> our input >> start at three o'clock. >> I'll do whatever we need. >> I was I was thinking it start earlier. Um I don't I was >> remember we've got candidates who are going to have to come in too. >> Right. >> So we want to be sensitive to not having them have to take entire half day off work. But you know >> do we can we do it on a different day and then announce Can we do it on a different day and then announce? >> We could definitely set up a doodle poll, right? Or like for interviews, you mean >> for interviews? Could we do it before the February before February 23rd? >> Interviews do. >> I mean, just it would, you know, depending on scheduling, might require going a special meeting on another day. Um, you could Yep. Start the start earlier. special meeting on another day, some combination of both. Um, and then that's one issue for me. And if we're talking about process, another issue is going over the the um questions. >> Let's let's decide on time first. Let's just tackle one issue at a time. I appreciate that you I want to get to it, but I I want to see if we can settle on. So, we think we need two and a half hours. I I think Okay, I think we could do the interviews in 20 minutes. I think that's what we've done in the past, but we probably need at least two and a half hours. So, do we want to get there early? Do we want to start at 2:00 on the 23rd? Is that even possible? One, or do we want to try to look for another day? and start say at 4 o' we'll go probably until 7. >> I'm going to look at my schedule. >> I'm fine going another day. >> I think that's going to be we'll be at our best selves if we can and make good decisions both for the interviews and for the subsequent city council meeting. >> Yeah, I I agree with Paula on that. So >> now we'd have to pick the day. >> We can send out a doodle poll, too. >> Um, >> if the subcommittee would wrap up by the 17th, I need I need to give the interviewees maybe a couple of days notice. Um, and I can definitely send them an email tomorrow kind of giving them an update on the process. We do also have President's Day on the 16th. Um, and we would need to know the finalists by Thursday the 26 to get them sworn in on Monday. Um, so we could certainly look at >> Well, >> so the 20th or the 24th seem to be the options, right? >> Or the 25th I think would work too. >> That's the state of the city. >> Oh, that's right. You're right. You're right. I forgot about that. I'm sorry. Come on, Rebecca. during the state of the city. [laughter] >> I'm sorry, mayor. I forgot about that. >> So, what are the options again? I'm so sorry. >> 20th and the 23rd or 24th. >> So, Friday the 20th >> or Tuesday the >> Tuesday the 24th? >> That can't happen. What about 23rd? >> That's the council. That's this meeting. That's the >> Isn't that the president's day? No, no, no. That's >> the 16th. >> Friday's always good for me. I know. I mean, that just Mondays and Fridays work always better for me because Friday would be fine. >> 20th is what is >> I get to see my calendar. Oh yeah, 20th would be okay for me as well. >> And again, that keep in mind we're going to be asking Canada. We're not going to have staff stay past regular business hours on a Friday. So, we're going to be asking candidates to come in in the middle of their work day >> if I get two. >> Oh, >> yeah. So, I I mean >> Well, so could we could we have the 20th and then have the 23rd option available for for if there are people that can't make it on the 20th? >> Is that Eric? Is that even an option? >> Of course. We were talking about >> Oh, yeah. The 20th or the 23rd if they can't. >> We have schedule it for the 20th, but then have the 23rd time available if there are people that can't make it on the 20th, which is a Friday. >> That sounds good. >> I I Yes, I think you could do that. Y >> do we want to tenatively plan for that, Miranda, and see what the logistics look like? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. otherwise I think the fall back is going to have to be just to do early on the 23rd if we you know as early as we need to I guess the alternative to is if the subcommittee's work was concluded prior to the 17th and then it adds in a few more days to work with there and it's just accommodating we're thinking if the last day we're notified of who we should contact to schedule is the 18th that's where it gets a little tight with their schedules as well >> we could always go back and just do menty meter and be done tonight. >> You know, I I guess does everyone else have 24th? Okay. >> Does everyone else would the 24th work for everyone else? >> Let me see. >> At what time would it be at 2 o'clock still? >> I can I can make >> No, wait. Would it be two still on a 24? >> Yeah, we could go later because it's not a Friday. I'm just picking up. We have another city meetings that night. >> I can make the 24th work. I can make the 23rd work. I can make the 20th. >> What happened to the 23rd? >> The council meeting. >> She was just saying the 20th is a business day for people. I don't have I don't have to work that day, but >> I have [snorts] an ENR NLC meeting at I think 3 o'clock on the 20th, but I >> Oh, the 20th. >> Miss it. It's a Zoom. >> Maybe two suggestions. A 20th and like a 3 to 6 window. >> Yep. >> Yeah, that would work. >> 24. You could do a 3 to six also or something like a 3 to six or four to seven. >> Yeah, any of those times that would be perfect. sports. >> I just think on the 20th, Mike, I I I have a hard time asking staff to stay until 6 o' >> on a Friday. >> Well, thank you. We won't argue with that one. >> Yeah, >> we're working on Friday. >> I just I mean, that's just >> I feel you. I I agree. >> So, let's just do Tuesday then. If that I'll just Tuesday. >> No, >> I'll make it work. >> So, what time would it be on? >> She'll make it work. >> We're good. >> Just the timing. >> No, >> I can't do 3 p.m. because I work during the hours. >> I mean, I can probably come in earlier, but like, >> can we four o'clock? Can I do four? Can we do four? 40 47 I >> She said three, but we're asking to come in and do another evening meeting. >> She said 3:00. >> Yeah, I >> Yeah, I don't like that either, Rebecca. >> I say maybe go back to my split two day. >> I like that idea that Kimberly had that Friday and Friday. >> Monday. Friday or Monday. >> Friday and Monday was good. >> Let's do that. That was a good suggestion. >> Is that a good Is that >> Friday from 2 to 5 and whoever can make interviews 2 to 5 on a Friday and on Monday between >> I'm at home on Fridays and Mondays but if I'm coming I'll be coming from St. Paul. >> Yes. >> Yeah. So that's that's the opportunity to days. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. So, we'll do Friday the 20th from 2:00 to 5:00. Monday the 23rd, we want to be done by 5:30. 5:40ish. So, maybe maybe start at 4. >> 4 to 5:30. >> Yep. So, we're we're trying to push people to interview on Friday and if they absolutely can, then we'll have a couple slots open on Monday. >> I'll do a 4 o'clock, a 4:30, and a five to ensure we're wrapped up by 5:30. That works great. >> We can offer up to maybe this work like we can offer up to four on Friday and three on that Monday. >> So that's seven slots. And so for the subcommittee if you end up picking let's say five. It gives the candidates a little flexibility. >> Yep. >> To pick a date that pick a time that works for them. >> Yep. >> Great. >> But thanks you guys for being flexible. >> Thank you. >> I will give candidates update tomorrow on that one. So, thank you all council for that. U moving into um then Monday, March 2nd, we do have a 6 pm study session that evening. So, we'll do a 5:30 special regular council meeting in the council chambers. There will be one item on that special meeting notice and it will be um appointing that individual into the seat. We'll conclude the meeting. Eric will be ready to swear them in. We'll have it in the um back. We'll be ready to go. So, we'll get them then ready to go for that March 2nd meeting which will come in here and have our study session. And with all of that, we meet a deadline of March 6. So, interview format. So, I did go back or I have been going back through this whole process and looking at the 2018 appointment which I think was yours, Shaq, as well as the um 2019 appointment process and have been comparing notes. Both of those processes followed this prior appointment interview. So, candidates were asked to wait outside of the interview room. So, we would we would put them in a separate room. Um and then interviews were conducted individually at assigned time. So we'll have individuals sign up like we talked about. We'll have those after waiting in another room. We'll coordinate that as staff. And then again a standardized list of questions was used. That list of questions that was used is in Granicus for council to view. It was listed as a private item. um with that um that those interview questions different from what we do with boards and commissions were not made public to the candidates prior. So candidates were not able to prep for those questions. Um they were not given to the candidates prior and unlike boards and the commissions you can kind of sit through the interviews that was not allowed in that process either. Um during those processes, council was given a standard list of questions like I did for this group and council would give their feedback to me and then I can coordinate the questions from there. So it was handled more on the on a private matter um than public. So with that then um depending you this council can change that process if you so wish. Um, however, we do we just recommend having a standard list of questions. Best HR practices across the board. Um, council, you may ask follow-up questions or clarifying questions. You may expand beyond those questions as needed, but we try and keep all questions the same to ensure that every candidate gets a fair shot at answering. And then if council does choose to keep the interview questions private and not public, I would just ask those interview questions be given to you by the 19. so I can um get the questions ready for interviews which may be the next day. So I >> do have a question. [snorts] >> Yeah, it's a question. It it's mostly a question and possibly a comment. So this morning I talked to uh Mike about um because this isn't a general like HR interview. This is it's a little different. Um, so I had questions that I that I thought might be helpful or sort of topics that weren't touched on. >> Those should be just sent to you >> and not not discussed here. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Correct. So, we're we're creating our own questions for >> for them to be >> if you if you wish to or if you have a theme or if you have a topic you want hit on, send them my way. >> Have you sent my questions to Miranda or should I just go ahead and re do them? >> Yeah, you just want to send them directly to >> Okay. >> HR has questions. So, it's a matter of think that and Miranda will compile those and then further tweet the questions for a half hour or 20 minutes. Rebecca, does Rebecca, you don't have a lot of questions to ask. So finding out what you want to ask questions by the time you sit down with someone in so now you're down for 20 minutes. Now you're down to 18. Usually each question we provide instructions to candidates that we're going to have four questions for you and you got three minutes to answer each question. You're right there at 20 minutes. That gives you maybe a minute at the end to see if they have questions for you. So you're you're probably really limited to four questions. >> Again, I I feel like we need more time, but okay. Yep. But I do feel like there were just topics that are really important for city council members that weren't in suggested questions. some of them my way. >> Okay. >> Anything else on this? I think the process sounds pretty good. Makes sense. >> Yep. >> Okay. Then I think this is the last thing. I'm going to move Rebecca quick. Hold on a second. Um again, this was a similar process to what was used a couple of years ago. Immediately following those interviews on again the 23rd would be right then if we had that second day. Um council would be given Um it'll look like this movie Rebecca and then ratings and then a rank. So this is what was used the last two times appointments were made. It was a twoprong scale. So rating each candidate on a scale where one is the lowest, 10 is the highest to ensure consistency or candidate that interviews must be assigned a rating with the range and more than one candidate can be assigned the same rating. And then over here is where candidate where council would rank them. And we use these. There's another spreadsheet that's built to then funnel through the results to find the winner. So, this was a process that was used back in 2018 and in 2019 for consistency um keeping it the same. I'm looking for feedback from council on that. Mayor, >> yes. Okay. Um any questions about or comments about that? I just want to make sure I'm understanding what I'm looking at. So I would rate in this case the five. So you have five candidates that I would give a score of from one to 10 on how they interviewed and then looking at those. Then do I also go and through and say okay this person's my first choice this is second eti first and then you're going to say who's your choice one through. Okay. My guess is when I was reading through the notes is the ratings was a way to help council members remember >> determined between if you have like >> Yeah. Got it. >> Especially if you're being on two different days. >> Yeah. Yeah. That will be helpful. >> Okay. >> And the second is what we truly use then as we're ranking them. >> Okay. >> Anybody else? Anything else on this? >> All right. Well, excellent. I think we got a process. So, thank you, Miranda, for your hard work on this. Moving on to the last item, March study session topics. Mike, >> yeah, thank you, mayor. Just looking at what's coming up. Pull up my >> Oh, thank you. So, uh, next study session is March 2nd. So what do you got about four four weeks from today? Uh really it's a policy ordinance review night. And so we'll bring forward a number of different items for council this conversation. One is just council policy. So you have a council policy manual that hasn't been reviewed in a few years. And so [laughter] u we'll bring that forward. Staff will have some suggestions for a couple sections in there for you to to take a look at. and you might have others as as you take a look at that. So, just a nice refresher on that. Um, part of that then is having a conversation on whether there's support for looking at rearrangement of the regular meeting agenda. And I think I've had conversations with most of you in the last year about that. Um, really that kind of stems to looking at our business items. That's item 14. And I think as we've seen over the years, um that's always down in the agenda and it gets late in later in the night and so looking at maybe switching that lineup up around um a little bit. So we'll talk about that as well. Substance regulations. Um so everything from cannabis to flavored tobacco toratom. Thank you. In fact, uh, one of our staff members had mentioned they were in Wakonia and saw a cratom for sale here in the in the store. So, that's apparently that's getting some legs. Uh, so we'll talk about and then Julie will have a zoning code rewrite update. And then along with that, um, a conversation on short-term rentals. So, that is for March. Uh, looking ahead to April, that's when we start getting into the budget. And so we'll start off with director presentations and then with the public safety master plan implementation review. Both our fire chief Kevin Fox, police chief Scott Borroom will come here and really just update you on just what's happened the last three years and do a kind of a relook back on what's uh with all the implementation with the public safety master plan. That's our first quarter 2 open meeting time as well. And I'll just briefly touch on May 11th. That's the big one on the budget kickoff where we'll also bring in the marsh operations rec amenities funding priority based budgeting and then Peter will be back for the community survey results with Sarissa. So that's the next three months. Uh again council these are as you always hear me say these are your study sessions. So if you want to bring anything forward that's what we would want to hear um at this time. >> All right. Thanks Michael. Anything from >> Kimberly? >> Kimberly does. >> Yeah. So I and that Well, it doesn't matter anyway. I had tried to get this to to come up earlier, but I would um I think that we are lacking a decision as a council for if we want to specifically um communicate with the governor around eviction moratorum. Um and and and not suggesting we discuss it tonight. Um but I would like to just know if we have have a council decision one way or the other. Um and when communicating with residents and deciding individually how I'm going to communicate with so so with the governor and or our legislators. Um and Mike Mike and I discussed it some and he can talk about our options. I would recommend actually adding it to the city council agenda so that it's in February so that if we decide we do want to communicate um then we could you know communicate in time for it to affect the March beginning of March uh rent rental dues. So that's do you do you want to talk about the options >> Mike? >> Oh yeah thank you. And so as Kimberly noted, I just want to highlight for the council and I probably shared this with you at some point during our conversations here recently that um when it comes to um conversations like Kimberly is bringing up eviction moratorum. So for a council to have a conversation, the rules for study sessions and council meetings are different. And I'll turn to the city attorney if I misspeak or sorry interrupt me, Eric. So for for study sessions when the agenda goes out on Thursdays so like for tonight when the agenda went out last Thursday for tonight's study session by state law that agenda is set. So when you come tonight you can't deviate legally from the agenda. That's different than a regular meeting. So with a regular council meeting item I think it's four on your agenda is approval of the agenda. And that's where staff will present or I will present on behalf of staff usually an agenda. And a good example is last Monday's agenda where staff recommended the addition of a consent item 10F I think it was for the amus amicus brief convers or the amicus brief decision. So in a regular meeting state law is different. So as a council you can modify the agenda by motion which is what happened last Monday again. So that's different than study sessions where it is cemented in um and so to bring forward a conversation the council would have a three kind of what I say three options and maybe attorney would suggest others that is you can um direct staff to add a a conversation to the upcoming March 2nd study session. Now, that's timing wise probably not conducive because that's a month away. Uh you can uh bring put it direct staff to put that on a regular meeting agenda which is next Monday. No, no, two weeks. >> Two weeks. >> Two weeks because next Monday is a holiday. So two weeks you could have that conversation a regular meeting or you could schedule a special meeting like a special meeting for a study session where this would be the topic. So those would be the three options that you have. Eric, do you have anything to add to what I said or >> So those are your options. If you want to have a conversation, you would have to do one of those three things. >> Okay. Point of clarification. Um just so when you say that you direct staff, is that in the meeting itself or prior to the meeting? >> So for tonight, the staff would want your direction tonight like directing us to put this on next Monday's council meeting. >> Okay. >> In two weeks, right? in two weeks. I'm sorry. In two weeks. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, the question I guess is twofold. I'll summarize it and then take input. But is this something we want to talk about? Is this the scope of what we want to talk about? One. And then two, when do we want to talk about it? So, you know, I would say that it will, you know, having this conversation will draw a lot of attention. So, I would think about that perspective, too. Um, so I guess because you had your hand up. Yeah, I was going to say I did um talk to Mike earlier about the same thing just it mine was not so much about just the rent moratorum but also just having some type of discussion around ICE and I know that it will draw a lot of attention but you know we continue to get f I continue to get phone calls and emails and so I I do want to have this conversation because I think it's important for residents to be able to um you know state their concerns and bring it to the council because we continue to get these emails and calls. >> Okay. >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead, Deb. I wanted say >> I am I'm a little I'm I'm willing to discuss. I'm not I'm not uh eviction moratorum. I do feel like we've all gotten I certainly have have heard from from staff and and uh housing people that you know it's two-pronged. So the eviction moratorum it is is all is problematic if it's all by by itself. Um, so I mean I'm fine discussing and I I'm always fine discussing it important timely issues regarding ICE. I'm almost wondering if it's better for us to reach out to some community organizations and have them >> host it, >> organize something and go to that because I feel like it's a little bit I I feel like the the mood would be different. And so there so I I feel like you there's a lot to say. It's very hard to say at all. Um but in terms of eviction, I I'm fine discussing it. I'm also fine not discussing it because I feel like we are all in conversations with the people that need to hear about it at the state level. And it's I literally talked to Patty Achim about it yesterday. >> Um and so anyway, um I'm fine either way. >> And part of my bringing it is um well, one I don't I I know that we're all discussed talking and and doing the things. I don't feel like we have an overall decision as a council. Um, and I would just like to have that even if it's no, even if it's no, we're not going to just so that like when I'm talking to people, I'll say, well, >> my colleagues feel like >> like or or we decided not to to address it as a council, but this is what I'm doing individually, you know, just discussed it, >> but but letting people know that when we're hearing them and that we that we're taking it seriously that it's important to us and important enough for us to have a discussion around it. um for your thing. I I think that's a separate thing and I know in some cities they've done a just a special listening session around ICE. Um and I think that's a conversation we could have is if that's something we would do. It would have to be like a special meeting um separate from the city council because I don't I don't think like it just takes up too much time to do a city council meeting. >> So I guess what I'm hearing is twofold which is there's some on the council to have an agenda item for a discussion about if we're going to take certain actions regarding ICE, particularly an eviction moratorum. >> That to me is would be an opportunity to discuss if we want to give staff direction on certain things or if council wants to give me direction on, you know, advocacy. To me, that's not a public hearing. Um, that's a council business item. Um, yes. Is that right, Mike? >> Uh, I I'm going to default to Eric. I think if it's on a regular meeting, if it's a business item, then mayor, I believe you have discretion on whether you want to take public comment on that. And so, it's your discretion. Um and if it's a let's say a special meeting where this is the topic then then of course um we don't take public comment at at study sessions. So, I think it sounds like there's consensus um about wanting a business item to kind of just discuss various things related to micro surge or whatever we want to label it and potent, you know, potential action of the council without we're not introducing an ordinance. We're not passing anything. We're talking about if if there's something we want to give staff direction on. >> I would actually Sorry, Pad Py, can I be recognized? >> Sure. >> Yeah. Um, actually, that something that I was going to bring up tonight, too, is the I'll bring it up again since I brought it up several times before. The idea of discussing this is could be a place where we can discuss whether we want to um pass an ordinance or pass any uh proclamation or resolution. >> Yeah. Well, I guess it's up to like my suggestion was to discuss the eviction moratorum specifically >> and I >> only with you. >> Um I don't >> but I'm really hearing other people. Ky kind of maybe has different things she wants to discuss. Paula has different things. We were suggesting for for Kizzy's like maybe having a separate meeting for if to dis to discuss with residents. >> Yeah. I mean I'm okay like one of the suggestions that Deb made. I don't know if we could partner with some community organization to host something like that. That's fine. You know that's okay with me. I just want to have that space or give residents a space where they feel like they can have discussion and comments or and we're listening to what they're saying. Um, so I'm okay even if we don't have it here, you know, I'm okay with that. I was just asking about it. So Kimberly, your ask is just specifically a discussion item as to whether or not we want to lobby or engage in promoting a statewide eviction moratorum. >> Yes. >> As a council. >> Yes. >> Okay. And I hear a different ask from Paula. So it sounds like you support on the eviction piece. Paula wants to expand it to other action items. Do people want that or do we want to narrow it just to the eviction piece? >> For my I just I feel like I personally would like to keep it just to the eviction piece for a variety of reasons and part of it is for the same reason that I was suggesting if we do something that's dealing with some of the broader issues um that the temperature in the community is heating up and I don't know that we would be able to come to consensus on um what we what would be helpful um on the deis I do feel like there's an appetite for some kind of listening session in the community and I have heard from various various experienced people that if if if community and or faith-based organizations want to host something, it helps keep the temperature down. And if we want to, you know, have some of us or all of us be a part and it's a public meeting, I believe, Eric, if if it was a public meeting hosted by some host organization, we could still all be there. But I think it would change it would change the tenor. >> So that's separate conversation that maybe we can have offline. Yeah, >> about some options and maybe that's something that Jace could help us facilitate. I'm not directing anybody to do anything, but it seems like we have some options on that. So, okay, Paul, I understand your position. I I hear you and I I respect where you're coming from. I'm not scared, >> but I think I know what you are asking for. Ky the question is do you want to conversation and limit it to the eviction moratorum or do you want to open it to other things? You know Paul is talking about ordinances and resolutions. um for the ordinance and re resolution. Um I think we can um limit it to not not do the ordinance and resolution conversation because I just feel like um it's like it's like saying we're doing something but to me we're really not cuz we it it doesn't really mean a whole lot and that's what I keep hearing. >> And so I don't want to do something that really doesn't do anything. If we're going to do something, we got to do it. Like if we did if we agreed to do the moratorum, we we you know that that's the thing. Yeah. >> Py. >> Yeah. I would I would want to limit it to the moratorum. >> And Kimberly, I assume that's where you're at as well, correct? >> Yes. >> All right, Mike, does that give you what you need on this? >> It does. So, we'll bring we'll get this scheduled and then I'll work with staff on what a um report will look like. enforcement. >> Soon we'll I'll lean on Eric for some guidance on >> uh eviction moratorum and what that would look like. >> People know and I >> they've heard us on the day of >> Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna unless there's something else regarding study sessions. >> Anything? >> No. >> Okay, great. Well, um thank you everybody and that was a long very dense agenda. So we went through it as efficiently as I think we could and we will see you all next see the rest of you and but we'll uh adjourn the