[music] Heat. Heat. >> [music] >> Okay, let's get started. I call this meeting to order. [clears throat] Uh good evening everybody and welcome to the May 19th meeting of the city of Minnitonka Sustainability Commission. This is our 21st meeting in person and the third meeting this year. The commission generally meets every other month on the third Tuesday of the month. The schedule [clears throat] and tenative agenda can be obtained by contacting the city's planning division or by visiting the city's website on minnotonkamn.gov. Residents can provide input on tonight's agenda via email or provide input tonight during this meeting. So, if they had so desired, the Sustainability Commission's first meeting was in May of 2021, which seems like a long time ago. Since then, we have accomplished a significant number of useful and practical actions for city residents. Areas of review for the commission include [clears throat] air, water, energy, land, ecological resources, recycling, including organics collection, which is fairly new in the city of Minnitonka, waste management, and other related sustainability areas not addressed by city code or another city advisory group. The sustainability commission has a unique role here in Minnitonka as we serve both as an adviser to the city council and as ambassador for the city programs. As an [snorts] adviser to the city council, the sustainability commission makes recommendations on city plans, policies, procedures, programs, practices, and proposals that relate to sustainability and conservation of our natural resources. Final decisions, and I repeat, final decisions are made by the city council. As an ambassador, the Sustainability Commission attends events to promote city initiatives with the public. That is item one on tonight's agenda. We'll now move to uh agenda. We'll now move to roll call, which is agenda item two. Uh Susan, will you please uh call roll? >> Carr >> here. >> Sher >> here. >> Ingram is absent. Meyer >> here. Norman is absent. Patine >> here. White >> here. >> Chair Golib >> here. >> There are six of us tonight. We have a quorum. Thank you. Next on is approval of tonight's agenda, which is item number three. Um [clears throat] I believe there are no change items necessary. So with that, would someone like to make a motion to approve the agenda for tonight? Is there a motion to approve the agenda from one of my fellow commissioners? >> I move to approve the agenda. >> Thank you. Is there a second? >> I second. >> Thank you very much. Uh Susan, will you >> car >> approved? >> Sher >> approved. >> Meer >> approved. Patine >> approved. >> White >> approved. >> Chair Golup >> approved. Say motion passes. Thank you. Excuse me. Uh item number four on the agenda. We need to approve the March 17th, 2026 minutes. Does anyone have any changes on the minutes? >> I have one addition chair. >> Yes. Thank you. Um for the energy sector awards section um there was a comment regarding energy efficiency of all the projects and how much of an improvement that was and both Ally and I after that um had a comment and for educational purposes I would ask to be for it to be included that all electric cold climate heat pump is a more sustainable able option than dual energy heat pump plus gas furnace. >> Thank you. I would suggest if Miss Sutherland is okay with it, I would suggest that we will bring these minutes back with that change to your next meeting so you can um review them and approve them at that time. >> Great. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Commissioner. Any other comments on the agenda? I will simply add I read over as I typically do and found uh everything to be perfectly des transcribed so it was very clear. Um [clears throat] is there a miss is there a motion then to approve our uh amendments. >> I motion to approve the March >> Excuse me. Excuse me. Chair Golib, I would actually suggest that the motion be to table the minutes here so that staff can make the insertion of Commissioner Meyer's comments. We'll bring them back to you at your next meeting if that's all right. >> That is perfectly fine. Thank you. I should have thought of that myself. Very good. [clears throat] With that, we will then move to agenda item number five, which is our agenda items. Before we get started, I'd like to briefly go over a a few points procedurally and only take a minute. [clears throat] When we address our agenda items, uh we will ask staff to make their presentation to the my fellow commissioners. Um everyone has the opportunity to ask clarifying questions of staff. Um at the end of that I will ask if there any other questions. If no one has registered to to comment I will at that point in time I will open and immediately close the public input portion for this agenda topic. If an agenda topic isformational we will move on. Uh sometimes there are uh votes and so we will vote and then we will move on to the next agenda item. That's basically the straightforward process. With that, we will now move to agenda item five and I will turn the meeting over to uh Ally. Thank you. >> Thank you, chair, commissioners. Good evening. Um our first item on the regular agenda, item 5A is the adoption of bylaws. Um so just for some background, the sustainability commission is required to adopt bylaws on an annual basis. You very likely recall doing this in the past. Um, bylaws are the rules outlining how an organization or group functions. And bylaws always include items such as the commission purpose in our case, meeting schedules, officer positions, code of ethics, and the meeting procedures. So, that's what we we'll be talking about tonight. [clears throat] Excuse me. Um, so tonight we'll be um considering or the commission will consider adopting the revised bylaws presented by staff. Um we'll just talk a bit about the background and then I'll also be um just explaining kind of what those revisions are. So all city commissions are required to adopt the bylaws and this is just to help manage commissions. Um the sustainability commission again must uh review them on an annual basis and um the commission is welcome to make amendments at that time. Um I it looks like we last approved amendments in 2024. Um they were first approved in 2021. Um and typically we don't have any changes on a normal basis. But this year we're um staff has suggested a few changes for the purpose of clarity, accuracy, and then ultimately to align with other commissions. So all the other commissions are kind of going through this process too just to kind of comb through and make sure everything is accurate. Um, I'm not going to go through the changes line by line. Uh, they were in the packet tonight. Again, they were just included for clarity. If you have any questions, um, I'm welcome to or you're welcome to ask those and I can, um, answer them unless the commission would like me to go through them, um, line by line, but there's very few and again, they're mostly just for accuracy. So, with that, um, I'll open it up to the chair to call, um, for a motion or discussion. >> Thank you. Do any of my fellow commissioners have any questions of, uh, Ally? [clears throat] This agenda topic is pretty straightforward. So, if no one has any questions, >> [clears throat] >> um I and what we need to do is we need to uh make a motion to approve uh agenda item 5A. >> Yep. The revised Yep. The revised uh bylaws. >> Bylaws. [clears throat] Thank you for that clarification. Is there a motion to approve our amended bylaws? Is there a motion? I'll motion to approve. >> Thank you. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Um Susan pole the members. >> Carr >> approved. >> Sher >> approved. >> Meyer approved. >> Patine >> approved. White >> approved. >> Chair Golup >> approved. Motion passes. Thank you. That [clears throat] uh con concludes item 5A. Excuse me. And now we will move on to item 5B. Ally. >> Yes. Thank you, chair. Um item 5B is the appointment of officers. Again, like we do on an annual basis. Um the CH commission is required to appoint both a chair and a vice chair on an annual basis. Um so tonight we have a couple different procedural um processes that we'll do. We're first going to start out by um asking the commission to announce if you're interested in either the chair role, vice chair role, or if you're interested in staying in one of those positions, please voice that and know that anyone is welcome to voice uh their interests in these. After that, we'll take a motion for the interested party to be appointed as chair. So, we'll do this on a separate motion basis. We'll do roll call for voting and then after that we'll do the um motion for the interested party uh to be appointed as vice chair. Um we'll see if there's you know two people that want to be in one spot. I don't think that that's necessarily happened in the past but we'll start out with um if anyone is uh interested then chair. So uh chair GB I'll let you kind of host that conversation. >> Oh thank you. uh not to sound self-erving. Um it has been an honor to [clears throat] serve the sustainability commission as its chair. Um I would be delighted to continue in that role. However, if one of my fellow commissioners really would like the opportunity, I can step aside. Um if needed, I could most of you know me. I don't really want to uh necessarily take up a lot of time, but I could go through a little bit of my background in a succinct fashion for some of you that may not be that familiar with my background. Um, you [clears throat] think that would be appropriate at this point or not necessarily needed. >> Completely up to you. >> I guess I would ask if you'd like to, I I'll give you my 30 second, not one minute, but 30 second elevator speech. Um, academically I have a bachelor of science in uh, college biological sciences at the University of Minnesota. I went off to graduate school. I attended the I attended what was called the graduate school at the University of Minnesota. I took courses in the school of public health. Um, and I received a master of science in environmental health which is a study of uh, biological, chemical and physical agents and their effect on human health environment. everything from air quality to zonatic diseases which are diseases transmitted from animals to humans. Um I've worked in the public sector. I've worked uh in the private sector uh for a couple of different manufacturing companies. I've worked for a couple of different environmental engineering consulting firms. I worked for uh [clears throat] the University of Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease for several years on the federal bioteterrorism program. I also was funded uh by the Centers for Disease Control, a excellent public health agency, and that's no longer quite the same. And I worked on environmental health emergency preparedness, and I traveled around the country, and I taught uh working professionals what to do if if a disaster struck their your community. And I also taught people how to write an environmental health emergency response plan to city and county government. A lot of times they were public they were they were food inspectors and they didn't have any expertise in doing that. Uh that was highly enjoyable. Uh and it was uh it was fun to travel around the country. Um I also took and passed two very difficult environmental certifications and also I uh applied for and was accepted into the center for disease controls environmental public health leadership institute and did it uh did a fellowship uh which required me to be gone for four weeks out of a a little over a year and it was a it was a competitive situation. It was kind of like going to graduate school. It was very enjoyable. Learned a lot, published a lot over the years. And uh that's kind of my my background in a nutshell. [laughter] Sorry, I went a little long. Any others that would like to uh as as some of you probably know, the chair doesn't control the sustainability commission. That's I think u it's a fallacy. Some people think that's the case. I'm one of the folks that vote. I do not control things. I basically act as a meeting manager. Um and people would say you when we go to the farmers market, oh you you direct the the agenda. No, it's a collaborative effort. We all work together. uh the primary role is uh watching the time making sure everyone has an opportunity to comment and to manage the meeting. So with that in mind, that's primarily the the principal role as the chair. And then uh the vice chair is also an important position because if I'm not available, those duties fall to our very capable vice chair. Okay. So, my speech this year, um, I love being vice chair because, you know, Brian kills the job, so I don't ever have to do anything. Thank you, Brian. Um, I actually, um, uh, would like to, uh, in the past, we've been able to nominate people. I would love to nominate, uh, Commissioner Meyer. I think she's such a fantastic ambassador to, um, the community and also shows up in a a variety of ways, uh, in community um, as a commissioner. Um, I think her commitment to sustainability is very admirable. And so, um, I think that I would love to and hope that she would consider a leadership role this year. Um, and so I guess that's my pitch this year, but I obviously am always happy to continue supporting the sustainability commission in whatever capacity that the commission needs me, but that's that's my pitch this year. Thank you. >> Thank you, Ashley. Um if if no one is uh I shouldn't say if no one chooses to uh not go there would be just myself as the chair I would be happy as I said to continue in that role. Uh if someone is then we would obviously vote. >> Yeah we can. Is anyone else interested in being chair? Let's maybe start with that. I'm not seeing any interest. So, we could take a motion um to appoint Chair Golib again as chair. So, if anyone wants to start the motion with that. >> Yeah, I'll ask if someone wants to make a motion. >> I would like to make a motion that Chair Golub continue in the chair position for sustainability. >> I'll second that motion. >> Thank you. I'll pull the uh commission. Uh Carr >> approved. >> Sher >> approved. >> Meyer >> approved. Patine >> approved. >> White >> approved. >> Chair Golib, >> yes. >> Thank you. The >> Oops, the motion passes. Thank you. >> Wonderful. Um and then subsequently see if anyone else is interested in being chair. I would ask if Commissioner Meyer wants to respond to the um recommendation from Commissioner Patine. >> Um Commissioner Ashley, thank you um for your nomination. I thoroughly enjoy being part of sustainability. Um I feel I can fill this role best as a member rather than as a chair at this point. And I would um personally recommend that Chair Golip continue in that role. >> Sorry, this was for vice chair. >> Oh, okay. >> Right. Yeah. [laughter] >> Vice chair. So, if you're interested in serving as that, [clears throat] that would essentially be um you know, business as usual during the days that Brian Chair Golob is here. And when he's not here, you would help run the meeting. So, if you're interested, you can let the group know or not. >> For a vice chair position, I would be willing to consider that. Um, but I also respect the the great leadership that uh, Commissioner Ashe Patine has provided for us and I was able to fill in one time as chair when both of you were absent. Is anyone else interested in the vice chair role? >> So we have two two candidates. We have our current vice chair and >> chair chair Golib. Uh what we would need is someone to make a nomination for um vice chair just formally. uh make a nomination for vice chair and then a second for that and then we'd have that vote. >> I'm going nominate chair, excuse me, I nominate commissioner me. >> I second that nomination. >> And I will pull uh the commission. Uh Carr >> approved. >> Sharer >> approved. >> Meyer >> approved. Patine approved. >> White approved. >> Chair Golola >> yes. Motion passes. Point of clarification. Will this go into effect now or will it go into the next meeting? At the next meeting. [clears throat] >> The next meeting. >> Yeah, next meeting. >> Next meeting. Very good. Okay. Thank you. I um I think that concludes item 5B. Okay. Very good. We will I guess you should say we're going to open and close the public input portion of this uh topic and we'll move on to item 5C. Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you, chair and commissioners. Um item 5 C is going to be our longest agenda item tonight. Um it is a discussion on the communitywide greenhouse gas emissions and the impacts of drive-throughs. Um, I'm actually going to start with this slide. Um, so in overview, this uh PowerPoint and the report that was included in your packet tonight, I honestly view as almost um two different parts or two different chapters, if you will. The first part of the report was based on a review of the 2024 greenhouse gas emissions data that we recently received from regional indicators. That's a online um data emissions portal that we've um often seen. So um we review that within the first and that's what we'll do tonight for the PowerPoint. Then we'll get into a discussion on the greenhouse gas impacts of vehicle idling um on a general basis just what it means for vehicle idle, what are tailpipe emissions, and then we'll get into even more specifics into um the impacts of idling at drive-throughs. And this is based on a recommendation from the city council for the sustainability commission to look into this topic. So since we received this new communitywide emissions data, it made sense um in my opinion to just start off kind of from the the global picture here of what are we what what kind of emissions do we have in the city? What impacts or what activities create what impacts? And then we can drill down to this um idling discussion and then further into the drive-throughs. So, I hope that made sense within the the report. Um, I'll try to give a highlevel summary of what that report looks like tonight. And then we'll conclude the discussion with collecting commissioner recommendations. Um, and we'll do that through a mentometer. So, we've done that before. It'll be a way of kind of um having a little bit more interactive. My my hope is that it's more helpful um for you to provide the feedback and your opinion. Um there's four different questions that we'll ask and there's also an opportunity at the end to just do um kind of like an open open opportunity to submit any co thoughts and comments. So if you feel like some of the questions maybe aren't um allowing you to state what you want, know that at the very end there's that open opportunity and we can um certainly have an open discussion too. Um, so going back to the staff recommendation, what we're asking and what we have asked in the report tonight and what we'll ask again tonight is we asked the commission to review the report, which again summarizes all the communitywide greenhouse gas emissions and the impacts of idling at drive-throughs. Um, then the commission is asked to provide that recommendation to city council based on the impacts of drive-throughs. And these are the four questions that you'll see in the mentometer later. Um, so I wanted to start off just kind of letting you know what to expect so you can maybe think about these as I go through the slides. Um, the first is, would you recommend the city council regulates drive-throughs based on their greenhouse gas impacts? The second question is, would you recommend the city educates developers and drivers on how to reduce their emissions impacts at drive-throughs? Um I the question three will be if you do think yes to either of those questions um then we're moving on to the question three which is um which new actions should the city take to limit drive-through idling. So th those will be example strategies that were posed with throughout kind of the report. So it won't be, you know, anything new that you haven't seen, but it will include different actions all the way from, you know, banning or fully regulating to just educational opportunities. So there's a whole array of different actions that the city um and commission consider. And then lastly, outside of the drive-throughs discussion, I also wanted to collect the commission's thoughts and opinions on which cap, the climate action and adaptation plan strategies the city should be prioritizing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in Minnetonka based on the new data that we're going to be looking at. So, I hope those make sense. Um, I might start off with does anyone have any initial questions based on kind of what I've described so far? Just want to make sure everyone's off on the right foot. Okay, sounds good. Um, and I was talking to Chair Golub um earlier. I do recognize that this is probably the most data inensive report that the commission has seen. Um, so while it was fun to write, I also felt like I was writing a dissertation, I keep saying. Um, so if it felt like you were reading one, um, I don't fault you for thinking that. My goal today is to try to break it down so it's easy to understand. Um, I'll take opportunities for questions probably at each section at the end of each section. So if you are confused or have questions or um, have anything to say, feel free to to um, speak up. Okay. Um, okay. So for the first section, again, this is to review the 2024 communitywide emissions data. And I just wanted to give a sense of the purpose for this. Um, first off, we'll review the full 24 emissions. Then I'm going to break it down into where the emissions are coming from. Um, so regional indicators gives us information of the emissions by source. And then from there, we can break it down even further into the sub activities is what I'm calling them. And we can see which activities um emit the highest to lowest portion of communitywide greenhouse gas emissions just to give us a sense of what contributes the most right now. Um and then we can look at how can the city address those activities particularly the ones that are contributing the highest portion because we know we could you know all these activities have some sort of impact on greenhouse gases but in order to prioritize I'm looking at the highest the ones that have the highest proportion of communitywide greenhouse gas emissions I um wrote a summary about what those are and where those are coming from and then pulled strategies from the cap to just explain like this is how the city can address them. So, we'll review those. And ultimately, the the purpose of doing this is that we can use this information to continue prioritizing how we um plan and implement our citywide climate action um initiatives and it's based on impact. So, that's the purpose of this part of the conversation or chapter one. Um and ultimately it's just to help us continue to make recommendations for the city council as we think about annual work plans. This is kind of just essentially meant to ground us in those conversations. So um with that I will start. So, um, regional indicators initiative, you see it referred to as RII as an acronym throughout the report, has, um, Minnotonka wide emissions available now from years 2007 to 2024. I included the link in case anyone is listening online or wants to refer back to this. You have to go to that link and then you have to click um, the drop down to find Minnetonka. But it'll it lists all of these emissions. Um, you can see generally speaking, we're trending down. Sorry, I'm trying to figure out if Oh, this isn't I was going to see if I have a pointer here. Excuse me. Getting over a cold. Um, you can see generally our emissions are trending down, which was really great um information to have. There's three different categories which we'll talk about here, but I did want to say that since 2024, um, our emissions have decreased by 28% from 2018 levels, which is the baseline that the cap um, set. So, we have since we set those goals decreased our communitywide emissions by 28%. So that means we've achieved roughly 44% of the progress that we need to meet the 2030 goal that's included in the cap. And I thought that would be interesting for the commission because it's 2026. We want to know where we're at um with the 2030 goal. So we're nearly halfway there. Um and it's we're we're moving towards a pace of just three and a half percent shy of stren staying on track with that goal which is pretty phenomenal. Um so I have a better picture of this a little confusing um but this is you can see this you soon to see this on our strategic um priorities um what is it called the dashboard. Yeah, the strate strategic strategic plan dashboard um that we share and you can see so the purple is the tons of CO2 emitted communitywide. So this is the regional indicators data and I've divided this to show um the tons per person emitted each year. And I did that because that's how our goals are written in the climate action and adaptation plan. So it can show us like um how much tons per person are people emitting. And so that axis is over here related to the blue um column that you see. So per person we're emitting about 10.313 tons of CO2 per person. And this red dotted line is our 2030 goal. So we're just about right there, which is really great to see. Um, you can see it keeps trending down. I thought it's actually pretty cool to see that we're actually below what it was in 2020, which, you know, obviously was COVID time. So, that was um quite impressive to me. I think a lot of this is due to the energy grid becoming more comprised of renewable sources. So, the hope is that this continues to trend down, but you can see obviously there's still progress to be made um as this red goal line continues to trend down. So, we're on track. Um, so zooming out again, looking at the um composition of the communitywide emissions by activity. So, this was the first year that vehicle travel actually made up the largest share of our communitywide emissions. Historically, it had been building energy use. So, 49% of our emissions communitywide are from travel, um, specifically vehicle travel. 48% are from building is from building energy use and then 3% is from waste activities with and this is all within the bounds of Minnotonka and then taking this a step further so we can break down these larger activities into sub activities and this was the first year actually the regional indicators was able to do this for us. Um, so I I learned that this information was actually not available when we created the CAP. So this was pretty interesting for our staff internally. Um, we we never really had a good sense of how much the highway activity was actually impacting this transportation. So while it's quite high, it's still 52. So this this means that um 52% of the transportation emissions were from the federal highway and interstate. And while that is obviously the majority or just over um it does show that we actually do have quite a bit of um opportunity on local roads to still make a an impact there. Um so the way this chart works is um you can see this is the transportation emissions the building energy emissions um again made up of these sub activities I'm calling them and then we have waste too. So for transportation I'll just quick go through them. Federal highway and interstate is 52% 18% is local roads. 17% is emissions from county roads and then 13% is from state highways. For building energy you can see large well the largest portion is from residential gas or fossil fuels used to heat homes. 27% is from electricity and commercial industrial uses. 23 sorry 27 if I said 23 23% is from commercial and industrial gas and then 16% is from residential electricity and again um 3% is just waste and then to take this a step further I um organized this from highest um portion of our greenhouse gas emissions communitywide to lowest just to give us some context. So now these categories are all kind of mixed up if you will, but you can tell that federal highway and interstate emissions make up the greatest portion of our activity um in their greenhouse gas emissions within the city 26% residential gas is the next highest at 16% and commercial and industrial electricity at 13%. So, in the the report, I took this information to say, "These are our top um contributors to our greenhouse gas emissions citywide. Let's look at these. What are they? What what contributes to them? And how can we make an impact and address these?" So, um the first one was the federal highway and interstate activity or sub activity. Again, that was 26% of our citywide emissions. This is coming from vehicle travel on highways and interstates. And um that means that these are vehicles that are sometimes originating in Minnotonka. And it also means that these are vehicles originating outside of Minnitonka. They could pass through Minnetonka and end outside of Minnotonka. And what regional indicators and our CAP recognized at the time that we developed it is that we ultimately have very little opportunity to make an impact on vehicle travel that starts outside of the city. Um, luckily though, the state of Minnesota does care about this topic and they also have a climate action framework that they're working on and they have a goal to reduce vehicle miles traveled by 14% by 2040. So, it's not just the city of Minnotonka working on these things. The state cares as other cities care. Um, so it's it's good to know that while we maybe as an entity can't make as big of an impact on those um vehicles that are originating outside of Minnetonka, other entities um are looking into that. Um and that being said, we can still focus on trips that do originate in motanka and that's how we can um attempt to make an impact in this category. So regional indicators specifically stated that the most impactful strategies for not just Minnetonka but really all communities for transportation travel um is to reduce vehicle miles traveled and to encourage drivers to switch from fossil fuel vehicles to electric vehicles. And this is not just for federal highway and interstate emissions, but that really that that's those strategies really apply to all travel emissions. Um, and then what I did is I looked at our climate action and adaptation plan. We have about 50 strategies in there that were created um as municipal um le strategies. And I found the ones that really apply to just travel in general, not not just federal highway, but just travel because really we can make an impact on all of these um one way or the other. And so I'll really briefly go over these. Um the first is to work with the metropolitan council and other partners to support improved transit options. That's one way that the city can continue addressing this. Um, you can see here I have a column that says the status of that like where where are we at with implementing that and then the impact is taken right out of the climate action and adaptation plan. Our consultants helped to evaluate um what the impact of that would be. So we do have work ongoing within this. We do already work with metropolitan council. I gave some examples in the report. Um we have light rail coming of course. Um our economic development staff specifically work on this. We actually have the um Kirsten Jagger. She has spoke to you before. She works specifically on transit topics. So her group is working on that. Um strategy 33 is to promote climate action resources on the website. We do this now. We're um actually working on improving that. So stay tuned. That's where that's at. host outreach events which you all know too well. [gasps] Um that's really talking about our outreach and engagement that we um host the activities that we host at um you know different events such as the electrify everything um events that we've been hosting. Um 35 is to include regular climate news in both the Minnotonka memo and the thrive Minnotonka. The Minnotonka memo goes to all residential households and the Thrive Minnotonka newsletter goes to businesses in Minnitonka. So both businesses and uh residents are getting information in that way. Item 40 um probably is of maybe most interest to the commission right now. So that is to implement a green car share program. And I believe we've talked about this before. It's in the cap so I'm sure the commission remembers it to some extent. Um but this is a program similar to our water rebates program if you're familiar with that where um the city or other cities can help to provide rebates for energy efficiency or electrification um technologies or you know pieces of equipment. So cities typically start out by offering it to residents. as they grow the program, they offer um these rebates to businesses, multif family properties. Um but we actually submitted the city submitted a grant um application to the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency to help fund this and we were actually just made aware that we were selected for that. So, it's still very preliminary. We haven't signed anything quite yet. Um but we've been offered the opportunity. So, we're really excited to be able to use that as a pilot program. Um, there were five different um items selected based on their kind of like return on investment, if you will, based on the carbon reduction impact that they could have. Um, and that would help fund air sealing and insulation projects for properties. Um, it would help fund um airsource heat pumps, airsource um water heaters. It actually even would help fund ebikes. So, we're looking at sustainable transportation, too. So, that's why I included that in here because not only can this help with um home energy efficiency, but it can help with transit or trans sustainable transportation technologies. So, um stay tuned for more information there. That program would be available 2026 through um early 2027. So, we're excited about that. So, that's why it's now pending. Um so yeah and then uh next is to encourage biking and walking and this is mostly during like development. So thinking about how can we um you know create more trails and trail connections that is ongoing and we have a staff person specifically dedicated to that. He's our trails manager. Um strategy 34 is to require sustainable developments. I'll go a little bit into detail there. Um Susan Thomas, our city planner right here, she is leading um an update for our zoning code. So this is a very extensive process to essentially rewrite our entire zoning code. There's a very large public engagement process going on, a very large staff engagement process going on. Um and as a one very small component of that, we're looking at how do we update it to incorporate sustainable development um requirements or to encourage sustainable development. So you might have heard of sustainable um development policies. It's very similar to that. We're looking at actually incorporating it into our zoning code rewrite. Um, so as we're drafting, we're thinking about how we can encourage sustainable transportation um within the city and this actually is even more expansive going into the building energy usage and um stuff like that. Susan, did you want to add anything? Okay. I want to make sure I'm getting all that. But I imagine that the commission will at some point be able to make comment on that. So stay tuned. And right now it's in um draft phase with staff. Um item or sorry strategy 45 is to develop an EV readiness plan. This is of everything on the list. This is the only thing we haven't um started yet. Uh there's so many different ways to approach this. But um I I suppose in some ways we actually are starting with the zoning code update because we are thinking of EV readiness in terms of um how does it apply to sustainable developments, but there's also other type of EV readiness plans. It could be looking at a study at where could more EV chargers be installed in the community and for example, you know, what private businesses could we um encourage and get in touch with to see if they're willing to maybe install. So, that's something that we haven't really tapped on yet, but um know that it's something that would be a future initiative to help with this. again, federal highway and interstate transportation um emission reduction and just overall transit emission reductions. And then lastly, modified land use and zoning. Because that sustainable development checklist is now incorporated into our zoning update, I actually kind of see those as two of the same um programs, if you will, or [clears throat] strategies. Okay. Next, [laughter] residential gas. So this was um the second highest sub activity. 16% of our citywide emissions come from this. This is from fossil fuel gas used to heat homes. Um the residential gas emissions since 2007 actually have remained generally stable where our electricity emissions have significantly decreased. Residential gas emissions are mostly the same. They fluctuate over year-over-year a bit based on um if the the winter was warmer or colder, but generally they've stayed the same. Um so the most impactful strategies that the city and property owners can implement to reduce their residential gas is to improve your air sealing and insulation. Um purchase more efficient appliance appliances, specifically your HVAC system or furnace. um and then ultimately to convert gas powered equipment to electric powered appliances. And I also wanted to make a note that while this is particular to residential gas, these strategies actually apply to commercial gas usage as well. Um and that's actually the fourth highest subcategory too. So I thought it made sense to um mention there. Um, and I'm actually not going to go through this this uh table because I think everything is just the same as what I had talked about on there, which is really nice to know that, you know, when we implement one of these strategies, we're actually accomplishing more than just one goal. You know, where we might be trying to focus on residential gas, we actually might be also um able to accomplish um reductions in other categories, too. And then lastly, commercial and industrial electricity. This was the third highest sub uh activity. 13% of communitywide emissions come from this um this is from so electricity usage comes from lighting, heating, ventilation and cooling. So essentially an HVAC and then refrigeration at commercial businesses. So that's that's where that usage is coming from. Um, interestingly, we can also think about that the use of electricity will actually continue increasing as we continue to promote electrification or it has the opportunity to do that. Um, but fortunately that's supported by Excel Energy's carbon-f free energy um goal by 2040. And it's actually more than a goal, it's a commitment, and they've already said that they're on track to meet that by, I believe, 2035. So, that's great. Um however it's also important that we make sure that we're also implementing energy conservation strategies and the purpose there is there's multiple reasons but the two main ones would be to maintain energy affordability and then also to maintain the grid's demand management. So we don't want to just you know continue using as much electricity as we can. We also want to make sure the bills um remain affordable. So for this um the most impactful strategies here would be to continue implementing energy efficiency upgrades um specifically to the building envelope. So thinking about insulation, windows, um air sealing, all of those things similar to the residential strategies. Um energy efficiency upgrades to lighting and equipment. Improving the air sealing which I just said um programmable building automation systems is really important for commercial businesses. So, making sure that your, you know, AC isn't pumping when no one's at your building, lighting's turning off, that sort of thing. Um, using on-site renewable energy is also another opportunity. So, your solar production can decrease your electricity usage. And then lastly, um changing building user behavior, educating your employees and your um building maintenance staff, uh so that they're doing um actions that help to reduce um electricity usage. And then again, I don't think I'm really going to go through these. They're all mostly the exact same as the other one. Um the only other newer one is the host business recognition program which we all know is our sustainable Minnitonka awards program. We'll continue to expand that um and try to highlight you know users that are or um applicants that are um showcasing good work within this category and other categories. Okay. Um so with that that is actually the the kind of the summary of the first chapter if you will. Again, I mentioned the purpose of that is just so we can all kind of be grounded in what the largest impacts are in terms of rare community greenhouse gas emissions. Um, before I move on to idolling, did anyone have any questions or comments on that data? >> Nope. >> Okay. All right. So, greenhouse gas impacts of idling. Um, again, the purpose of this is that city council requested that the staff or staff research greenhouse gas impacts of vehicle idling specifically at drive-throughs. And they also asked that the sustainability commission provide input on the topic as well. Essentially deciding on whether greenhouse or sorry whether drive-throughs have a significant effect on greenhouse gas emissions and then to understand if the city should regulate these. Um, so the next section will review general vehicle idling, how much idling at drive-throughs contributes communitywide, and then ultimately how it compares to the activities we just talked about, too. So, tailpipe emissions first, before talking about idling, I just want to talk about tailpipe emissions in general. And you're probably already familiar with this, so if this is basic, um, that's totally understandable, but I just wanted to make sure we're all grounded in this. So, tailpipe emissions are um CO2, nitro, nitrogen oxide, and then particulate matter, which is released into the atmosphere from the vehicle's exhaust system once the fuel is combusted. Um, as you're probably aware, these this is tailpipe emissions are actually regulated by the state of Minnesota and the federal government, and that is for new vehicles. So, you see new vehicle standards coming out all the time. If you um when you go to purchase a vehicle, you can see, you know, those standards posted. So um other governments care about this. Um tailpipe emissions are produced whether the vehicle is driving or idling and the amount of tailpipe emissions is going to vary on many different factors. Um vehicle make and model, the age, the mileage of the car, fuel type, and then ultimately weather conditions too. And then we when we talk about idling specifically, we're talking about when a vehicle is running when it's stationary and just not in motion. Um so there's so many different types of drivers um idle drivers of passenger vehicles idle, but it's not just passenger vehicles. And I I put pictures here to kind of think about it from a more broad sense that it can be a work or construction vehicle, emergency vehicles, public buses, so public transit, and then school buses, too. Um, and then in the next slide, I kind of say that, you know, idolling happens for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it's essential and sometimes, probably in my opinion or your opinion, it's non-essential and there's gray area in between. So, it could be whether you're stopped in traffic. um here or even like at an intersection whether you're warming a vehicle in your driveway or in a parking lot picking someone up. Um and I was thinking even like if you're picking up a family member and waiting for them or it could even be um like a a car share service waiting for you um through the app that you've requested them through. Um delivering goods. So, a delivery service, you know, as they're bringing you your package, the car is probably still on. Uh, construction and commercial work. Um, I don't have a picture of that, but you can imagine what that looks like. Passing time in a parking lot is actually something that I saw. You know, people on their lunch break, they don't want to go inside anywhere and they just eat lunch in their car. Um, bus stops are really common. um you know, bus pickup lines is another really common um source that I saw for idling. And then of course drive-throughs, curbside pickups are another thing to consider. So these are just a handful of examples. I'm sure there's more, but these were some of the main ones that I found in the research I did. Um and then something interesting. So idling emissions are actually captured in our city travel emissions data from regional indicators. The only issue is that they can't be separated out by regional indicators. So when we're talking about the emissions idling there, it's actually in that data. It's just not separated out. So what I tried to do is to do research to figure out how can how can we separate out that data. Um, so the Department of Energy's Argon National Lab, um, they had some really interesting reports and I just wanted to share a couple facts that they, um, determined through their study. So, idling causes excessive wear on a vehicle. Um, it's not effective to warm up your car through, um, just idling. And that's, I think, a common misconception. Especially within our climate, a lot of people will idle their cars and warm it up for about 15 minutes. Their study found that idling more than 10 seconds in a personal vehicle actually uses more fuel than just starting and stopping. And they also, I think it was the EPA that actually shared that even automotive man manufacturers recommend to not warm up your vehicle more than 30 seconds. So even though it's probably a common misconception and we do it for comfort um from a vehicle wear and emission standpoint, it's not recommended to do. Um, and so through their study with finding that because, you know, idling more than 10 seconds uses more fuel, they recommend that if you're idling for more than 10 seconds to actually turn off your car, which is kind of crazy, but they they say that turning off your car and restarting it actually contributes less pollution than if you kept it idling for more than 10 seconds. Um, they go on to talk about the different types of cars and how they idle and um or pollute when idling. And so gas vehicles have this start stop technology which I'm sure most of you are familiar with. They said that through their study or another study they referenced that it that start stop technology. So if you're not familiar I believe when you you know pull up to like an intersection and you fully stop you there's a function in your car that essentially turns off the engine. Um so it stops that idling and as soon as you press the gas your engine turns on again. Um, and so by having that technology, it can reduce fuel, sorry, improve fuel economy between about 7% to 26%. Um, the caveat there is that drivers can often override that. Um, and so it really just requires one button be pressed. Um, anecdotally, I hear that people do that. I don't I don't have a stat on how often people do that, but it's something that a driver can manually override. Um, and I do think this is actually becoming very common technology included in vehicles. I want to say almost all vehicles probably have this these days, but um, not totally certain there. Um, hybrid vehicles, this was actually new information to me, automatically reduce idling by shutting off the engine when they are not moving and enable slow movement with engine off. So, um, my understanding is that then they just use the battery power at that time instead of actually using the the um gas, I guess, power at that point. So, that that's kind of nice to know that, you know, they're they're not using um gas at that time. So, their idling emissions would be reduced. And then fully electric vehicles do not have tailpipe emissions, but I did want to note that they still have upstream emissions, and that comes from when you plug in your vehicle. um the whatever emissions are coming from the grid are still associated with your vehicle, but in terms of tailpipe emissions, they have none. Okay. And then I found this really interesting study um also done for the federal government through another national lab um that showed the fuel consumption at idle for select gasoline and diesel vehicles. And these are averages. Again, this is going to the tailpipe and idling um impacts vary based on vehicle make, age, mileage, fuel type, and weather conditions. But this is just looking at the general type. So, um compact sedans, as you can see, use the least amount of fuel when idling. And then the largest is going to be your transit buses, diesel powered transit buses. Um, and we can take this information and say, okay, we're using this much fuel at idling. How can we trans um how can we convert that into um a calculation that shows how much we're polluting just based on knowing how much uh carbon is released by the fuel. And so that's kind of some of the math that I did. But this was very interesting. I mean, you can pull out uh there's compact sedans, there's the heavy trucks, delivery trucks, it goes all the way up to semi-trailers. So you can see that there's quite a variety here in um transportation impacts. Okay. So um when looking at it from again we're not quite talking about the drive-thru emissions yet. We're still talking about it from just general idling um practices. But in in terms of thinking how can we reduce idling um emissions communitywide, these are some strategies that we can think about. So um some things that the city can consider implementing either now in the future or maybe never. Um but these are just some ideas. So the city could develop a citywide no idling education campaign including education on the anti- idling technologies. So there's actually other technologies. For example, some emergency vehicles can use it where it's like um almost like a battery if you will. It's like a battery pack and instead of running your car to have the accessory mode on, you essentially use that battery to then not be idling. So that's an example of some of that education that could happen. Um another option is to develop a source specific education campaign. So targeting you know um priority entities or groups. So for example, schools if we're looking at it from a public health lens. Um emergency vehicles is another category that are looked at large vehicle vehicle sorry diesel vehicles. Um third is to develop a clean vehicle education campaign to encourage adoption of electric vehicles. So instead of looking at it from like the idling standpoint, look at it from let's just try to convert as many of these fossil fuel vehicles to electric vehicles. Um going on that same thought process is develop and fund community EV readiness plan to encourage the wider adoption of electric vehicles like we talked about in one of the other strategies. Um another strategy is to fund clean vehicle incentives. So for example the green cost share. How else can we try to incentivize people to purchase um electric vehicles? I know other cities, for example, um will help fund EV chargers, you know, things like that or ebikes, um another option. And then lastly, continue to support communitywide multimodal transportation by offering safe and accessible transit options, bike routes, and walking routes. So, we are doing that, but you know, there's always opportunities for improvement. So those are some examples of how the city can approach reduction of just communitywide idling. So lastly, last but not least, um getting into the impacts of drive-throughs, idling at drive-throughs. Um so again, the drive-thru emissions are captured in the city's Sorry, I should back up. Did anyone have any questions on what I just talked about? I know I'm talking a lot, so >> go ahead, Diane. >> I just wanted to thank you for this tremendous research. Um, I really love the data and I think it's important when we're looking at how can we make more of an impact and accelerate that impact. Um when we look at greenhouse gas emissions and um bang for the buck, if you look at the diesel buses, as you saw, that was the highest um on the grid. And by addressing that realm, especially school buses, we can have an impact, a positive impact on the health effects for children on diesel buses. Um if you look at idling of buses especially in a row uh while they're idling the diesel emissions within the bus can elevate 10 to 15 times um compared to what the tailpipe emissions are because especially with the door open because it entrains that um the emissions from other buses right into the vehicle. And that's true if the bus is idling at school or on the way picking up kids. Um so I definitely see that as one area um that I would like to try to focus on. And um similarly um vehicles uh parents picking up kids or dropping off kids at school in Q. Um, some schools have developed an anti- or a a no idolling policy. And if we can educate families uh from the data that you've presented that by turning off the engine, if it's idling more than 10 seconds, you can actually save energy. Thank you. I would just like to add [clears throat] I have driven by now what is called North Middle School. It used to be North Junior High [clears throat] and uh there are lots of cars probably idling waiting for their kids to be to pick them up and some of the some of the great schools too. So I think that we have there's great opportunity for us to try to address that going forward. uh because I don't think a lot of people are aware of that issue >> has um hi thank you amazing report so informative thank you um same with the idling at schools I know we did this next thing is coming up is drive-throughs is there any sort of data on what the impact is at schools versus drive-throughs and has a study in the past been done on that. Thank you. >> Great question. Thank you all for the comments. Um I'm sure somebody else has done that. It was definitely something um that I saw come up just focusing on idolling at schools based on um the emissions impact of school buses. It's definitely a topic that others are looking into. The city hasn't looked into that specifically, but from um just preliminary research, this Argon um report referenced prioritizing um school idling um or impacts at schools because students and young children are considered a vulnerable population. So, it's really a good um opportunity to kind of look at both environmental greenhouse gas impacts, but also public health impacts, too. Um but I will say that um some strategies that I see from my position in just sustainability is that electric vehicle school buses are becoming bit more common. I mean I know they're expensive and the technology is still debatably new but certain districts are investing in those. Um, I was trying to think if there was something else I was going to mention, but that that was at least one thing that I had thought about um that I know others are looking into. And I think it offers an opportunity for us to potentially consider like partnerships with schools and how could we um help to support this, you know, is it us helping to find these grant opportunities because there are grants that can help fund those initiatives. So, yeah, great questions. >> I had a question. Um, noticing that the buses seem to be uh one of the biggest contributors and since they they're running to warm them up, right, for the kids to come in. Is that why they idle for the most part, do we think? because if they are, there's easy, you know, whereas it's hard to heat up a car if the kids are waiting to get into the car and the moms and dads want to keep them warm. Um, it's hard to put a alternate heat source in a car, but it's possible that might be able to encourage turning the buses off if there were electric heaters in the buses. And that might be an easier solution for the buses um than trying to solve the warming the car up for the kids in the in the cars. Just a thought. >> Um I would like to add something to that. So I go to Minnotonka High School. Um every day after school there's like 30 buses that are just lined up. Um even during like the summer all the buses are always on or every time I see them and they're there like beforehand. Um, and I think at least during the winter it's definitely they're they're on they have like the heater on as well and that certainly um like calls for more power from the engine and maybe more emissions. But I think generally uh they have the buses on so that at exactly 2 uh I think 250 or 255 um all the buses can get going in like an orderly fashion without having like to wait for them to start up. Although I'm not necessarily sure if that means that they should be on for that whole like 30 minute period because I don't know all that much about like how long these buses need to take to get ready to get moving since they're like such a big vehicle. Um but yeah, I think that's a good point to bring up. >> That's good insight. >> I didn't know that and and maybe just educating I mean this is the first time I've seen that. I got to echo everybody else and applaud your research. This is very revealing and I'm just wondering if sharing this with bus drivers and delivery truck people and people that drive the combination bucket truck tractor uh tractor semi-trailers if they some of them will respond positively and change their behavior probably. So this is good data to share otherwise outside of our group too because education might help solve some of it too. So anyway, thanks >> chair. One more comment. >> Yes. >> Um I [clears throat] was curious about uh any city state provisions. Um and Minnesota does have a state law for school bus anti-idling. Um and the the summary of what's stated is all operators of diesel school buses must minimize to the extent practical idling of school bus engines and exposure of children to diesel exhaust fumes plus park away from school air intake systems. So, there's a non-specific uh state law that backs up if we decide to take some action in education or signage to to encourage um vehicle drivers and bus drivers to decrease idoling. >> Uh chair, thank you. Thank you for sharing that. I think that would be great information for the planning commission to know because we do get an opportunity to review where the bus pickups are at the high school and we haven't asked the question if this is near any air intake. So I think this is something I would like to make sure that we we add and we look into when we're reviewing new layouts. Thank you. If I could comment on that in hospital projects, um it's there's a requirement that no exhaust can be near I think 25 ft. So it's like a regulated thing. So if you want to borrow from the hospital business to make a point to support keeping buses away from air intakes, there's a little there's some documentated uh documentation and regulations in the hospital world you could borrow. >> I have one question. We probably we meaning you have probably never contacted any of the bus companies that service any of the schools in Minnotonka to talk to someone in their in management to see if in fact they practice this issue or if they are even aware of the significance of the issue and not trying to add to your workload but I think we should probably be contacting them at some point just to get a feeling for are they concerned about idling, you know, or is it just they just don't even think about it. [snorts] >> If you want to do that, I'd be happy to volunteer to go with you to help. >> Thank you, chair and commissioners. A great discussion. You all raised really interesting points. Um, as I mentioned, it is something that I personally haven't looked into much more than I've shared tonight. So, I think there's so much that sounds really interesting to look into for this. Um, I was wondering the same thing, Chair Gulib. Um, I'm not sure who, you know, is the owner operator of the bus companies and which districts they, you know, service. And so, that's something that we would have to look into. But appreciate all the thoughts raised. Um, you know, this if if the commission sees this as maybe an action item that comes out of the discussion tonight, I encourage you to reflect that in the mentee meter. um questionnaire that we we um take in just a little bit here and um I think we can pursue, you know, additional research based on those recommendations and how it fits into our other priorities. But >> yeah, one one quick uh additional thought, [clears throat] I'm assuming that the school districts would probably have executed contracts with the companies that would provide the buses. So I don't think it would be that difficult for us to zero in as to what companies do that. >> Yep. I would agree. We can definitely find it. Any final comments before I move on. Okay, great. Thanks for that. Um, all right. So now we've talked about just idling in general and the missions impacts of that within our community. Um [clears throat] now we'll talk about idling impacts at drive-thrus. Um so again just like idling in general drive-thru idolling is captured within the city's travel emissions data that I previously shared. we just again cannot separate it out specifically. And to begin estimating it, because that's what the city council had requested of us, um we had to find the best available data and um develop the best available assumptions to attempt to estimate this. Um, so I did want to note before I kind of go through some of the math here. In reality, variables are going to differ on emissions factors based on the avail the actual vehicle type that we're talking about. Um, the vehicle ages, the business weight times, and the service rates like how many people are actually attending these. These are these this we calculated this based on our best available information that we had access to. Um so I'll go through this chart just briefly. Um I found some information. So I calculated greenhouse gas emissions um data based on a large sedan. Um that's that's the vehicle I chose to use because I was using this chart um as the emissions factor and there's no SUV. Had there been an SUV on this chart, I probably would have used it because I feel like those are a bit more common. Um, so bear with me. We're using the large sedan. Um, but debatably it's probably not too much more, if you will. But that's why I use the large sedan as our um, assumption here. Um, through my research, I found on average weight times at drive-throughs are about 6 minutes. And that's particular to restaurants, but we used that estimate to um pertain to all of these, which I felt was fairly accurate that they're all pretty similar. Um I used the information from that last chart to say how many um gallons of fuel is used per hour for a large um idling sedan. Um then I found out how much um sorry, average gallons of fuel. Oh, I see. Um, so then I figured out, so that's per hour. Then I figured out how much is used per six minutes, which is how much is being used well at a drive-thru. Then, um, regional indicators helped me find this, um, metric tons of CO2 emitted per gallon based on their motor fuel makeup. And then Susan helped me find, um, estimated uh, vehicles per day at each of these type of drive-throughs. So there's um is it the transportation engineers is that >> yeah the planning commission is um Miss Sutherland is well uh versed with the institute of transportation engineers. We refer to their data very regularly when we look at trip generation and um parking requirements for different um uses. So this data is drawn it's a a nationwide data uh base um that is based on realworld observed um trips and then even further they can um specify if it's a suburban community or an urban community. Um, so I that that was new data for me. So I I thought it was really interesting to um see and I decided to break it out um instead of just saying an average trip per drive-through, I broke it out by um business type because you could see it varied so much. Um banks had the lowest visits per day where restaurants um essentially fast food had the highest per day. And then I said that we're just assuming we're talking about every day of the year. You know, that's going to fluctuate. Weekends may or may not be busier or less busy than weekdays, but just for the sake of estimate estimating this, I I chose every single day of the year we're talking about. Um, so I won't go through all these calculations, but um, I estimated that idling at all drive-thrus, all 27 drive-throughs that are in the city um, per year emits 2,489 megat tons of kil sorry CO2 per year. So this is all uh so there's 12 banks, one pharmacy, seven coffee shops, and seven restaurants within the city of Minnetonka. On an annual basis, they emit 2,488 or roughly 89 u megat tons of CO2 per year. So what I found is that Oh, sorry. >> Excuse me. Shouldn't that be metric tons? >> Uh no, >> it's megatons. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Metric tons. Sorry. Yes. Thank you. Yes, metric tons. Um so um what I found through the region regional indicators um data set is that this uh accounts for less than half a percent of our communitywide emissions. So 0.44% of our communitywide emissions um is what drive-throughs account for. And then if we want to look at it from the transportation emissions, drive-throughs account for 89% of the transportation emissions. And then if we wanted to compare it to the next highest um sub activity that we called out earlier, the next highest was waste. And that was at the 13,728 metric tons of CO2. Um which accounted for roughly 3% of communitywide emissions. And I wanted to reference this chart again to kind of just visually showcase. So waste again was our lowest category at 3% of our communitywide emissions. Drive-throughs would be below that at 044%. Um, however, I did put asterisks because technically speaking, this drive-thru emissions lives in all the categories related to transportation. So it's not its own separate. Um but just again to showcase the difference there. Um also not going to go through everything here. Um but just wanted to try to make um some connection to what these num numbers mean. I know it's a little confusing. Most of us don't understand what a metric ton is or what it looks like. Um so if we think about idling at one bank per year emits 46 metric tons of CO2 going down the line pharmacy is 56 coffee shop is 109 um and then altogether it's this large number we talked about I wanted to put it into context with some activities that the commission often talks about. So converting 50 gas powered passenger vehicles to electric vehicles will avoid annually 180 metric tons CO2 per year which is roughly the same amount emitted at one restaurant annually. Um in terms of the idling at drive-throughs roughly, you know, a little bit more is avoided or it's actually four banks. it would be roughly equivalent to idling at four banks per year. Um, oh, I think I had this down here. I also wanted to share. So, I looked at our past data and on average we have about 350 new EVs registered in the city annually and I found out that that avoids roughly 1,263 metric tons of CO2 per year, which is about half of the emissions emitted annually at drive-throughs, which I thought was pretty interesting to kind of compare. um you know so it's great if we can continue to increase the amount of e new EVs annually. Um let's see. So going down to the home energy squad visits since we talk about those a lot. 50 home energy squad visits avoids um roughly 23 uh me metric tons per year. um which yeah for a second I couldn't remember if that was right. Um and then so if we look at our initiative last year we had just under 400 home energy squad visits that we gave away for free and that avoided roughly 186 metric tons per year. again to give some context similar to the emissions at one restaurant annually. And then I also did some math. Ideally, as this green cost share program advances and we can try to encourage people to not only do the home energy squad visit, but to also follow up with um energy efficiency action such as insulating their walls, for example. If half of those homes had followed through with wall insulation, they could have avoided another just under 500 metric tons of CO2 avoided. So, it really goes to show, you know, also how important those follow-up actions are and how effective wall insulation is for underinsulated homes. [snorts] So, just to give some context to those numbers. Um, lastly, some key takeaways. So drive-thru emissions very likely do not encompass the majority of communitywide idling emissions. So while they produce emissions, there's still other idling emissions happening within our community. And we don't have that quantified, but just based on the conversation we've had, I think we can say that there's a lot of other idling happening. Um, and again, while they do, so drive-throughs do pre produce emissions, they also are not a main contributor to our communitywide greenhouse gas emissions inventory, as we've seen. Again, they only account for the 044%. Um, so they exist. It's not um it's not that they don't exist, there's not a main contributor. However, if idling concerns are still a top interest to the city, the city can consider focusing on resources or sorry, focusing our resources on a broader anti- idling initiative. So, we've talked about, for example, looking at schools and seeing what impact idling um has on um or bus idling has on our communitywide emissions. So, um that would maybe help encompass more idling sources to make an even bigger emissions reductions impacts on this topic. Um, and then again, it can also help improve our local air quality. So, it's not just the greenhouse gas emissions, but it's those particulate that particulate matter related to human health. So, looking at other populations that might be more susceptible to that. And then lastly, that's more on the communitywide, but if we do still want to focus on drive-throughs, we know that they do have some emissions. There are ways that we can attempt to reduce idling emissions there. And um I did give examples in the report and that's what I'll quickly go through here. Um so the city could do this through either requiring or encouraging new drive-throughs to um participate in some of these activities. So one could be posting anti-tling signs. And I should say some of these are just general strategies. Whether they're actually feasible, realistic cost, perspective-wise, politically wise is another thing. But this is just kind of like these are all the different things that could be considered. Um posting anti- idling signs. That's an example of we talked about idling more than 10 seconds isn't good for your vehicle. If you're waiting in line for more than five minutes, could you shut off your vehicle while you're in line? Maybe, maybe not. That's what that's referring to. um and possibly a business posting something like that. Um another could be requesting that an applicant of a drive-thru business provide evidence of efficient drive through service time. So I found that some restaurants in particular generally have much longer wait times than others. So, it would be in our um advantage to try to make these drive-throughs more and more efficient or to try to encourage the applicant to tell us what their average weight time is so we can assess based on that. Um, let's see. Businesses that provide technology that expedite orders also helps to reduce idling time. So, the AI platforms are something that's becoming more common. Order ahead option. So, if you order through your app, you pull up, they know your order. You're not standing there or sit driving, I guess, idling um waiting to actually physically order. All that can expedite the process. Multiple drive-thru lanes actually might this might seem counterintuitive, but actually makes the process faster. So, it reduces idling times. Um creating fewer stops can reduce idling. Um offering a pedestrian walk up window is something that you hear from a lot of advocates. Um and that would be in kind of like a more um walking friendly environment likely um requiring indoor service area options. One thing I saw is that there's a trend right now for businesses to offer drive-thru only like no walk up or interior service option. And so, um, offering an opportunity so that both options are accessible to the public. Um, not allowing drive-throughs is another option here that the city could consider. Um, limiting drive-throughs to auto centric corridors. So, some communities have thought about not putting these in areas near a light rail, for example. I would say that's potentially more of a planning um conversation than idolling related, but that's something that um has come up. Uh asking or requiring the applicant to connect to nearby trails and transit stops to just try to encourage less driving um to the the location and more of like the walking and biking to your location. using renewable energy to offset idling emissions could be a thing. You know, you could install solar or subscribe to um renewable energy and then potentially limiting drive-through hours. I don't actually know if that would definitively reduce your idling emissions um but there's probably an argument to say that it could. So, last piece before we move on to the mentometer. Um, again, I explained that those are kind of just all the strategies that I could think of that could be considered. I'm sure there's others, but the city sustainability commission um should carefully weigh policy considerations against our city planning and economic development goals. Um, it's possible that there the negative impacts on those priorities might be actually greater than the greenhouse gas emission reduction benefits based on kind of what we've learned. So that's just something that needs to be factored if and when we were to look into any of those strategies a bit further. Um, another thought is that some actions such as bans which other communities have considered can actually result potentially in unintended consequences. So for example, a patron um that wants to go to a drive-thru might actually end up driving farther to get to that from another community if that's required of them. And that will um make a little bit more sense in just one of the next points here. And then also people if they can't access drive-thru for convenience, they might actually choose ordering food delivery, which was not something that I had initially thought about until I looked into the research more. Food delivery is actually becoming very increasingly common. Um kind of like your Door Dash, if you will. And then that those points are based on the natural national restaurant association. So there's studies from the different restaurant um organizations that showcase how common consumer um preferences are towards this like dining out culture. So they found that 74 75% of restaurant traffic happens off premise. Um so that means like to go options. So about two of sorry three of four orders are taken to go. Um, the study also highlights how convenience and availability of takeout, delivery, and drive-throughs is just overall the consumer preference. So, when we talk about patrons driving farther to get to where they want to go, it's actually quite likely based on what this study is saying. Um, they also say it's particularly evident for Gen Z and millennials that um 60% of sorry, where 60% use takeout or drive-thru at least once weekly. So I think these populations just is more and more common. Um and then lastly they also mentioned that the survey results found that 94% of consumers say speed is critical. So I think we have to keep in mind um our priorities at the city the economic development city planning but also just consumer preferences all need to be a factor when also thinking about our emissions priorities too. So there's a lot of competing priorities if you can't tell. Um, but that concludes my talk. Thank you for listening. Um, I appreciate your time with that. Susan, did you have something to say? >> I uh, thank you, Southerntherland. That was great. I just wanted to add um, on to Alli's comment about a lot of different um, considerations with drive-throughs. I think the council is interested in what this group has to say from a sustainability perspective from the greenhouse gas emissions. We'll also be taking some of this information to the planning commission. They will get this um good background, but this is this is your lane here. Um, and the planning commission will talk about drive-throughs more from a a planning perspective about pedestrians and and traffic safety and things like that. So, we wanted to just point out that there will be other groups um that will comment on on those things. Um, so you don't need to worry about that part. Thank you. I meant to say that. So [laughter] hopefully that helps kind of put into perspective. Yeah, our goal here it's about the mission. So does everyone have a cell phone available to them? Okay, if you could use the QR code to access this and hopefully that link works for or the the access code works. If it doesn't work, maybe raise your hand. It looks like chair, are you having >> Yep. >> Could I ask a question? >> Oh, yeah. Um, so one, the first question is recommending city council regulates the drive-throughs. What does how deep does regulating go? I'm I'm new to this, so >> Yep. Yep. Just one moment. Let's We'll get everyone up. Is everyone up? >> Okay, I'm Okay, sounds good. Um, I'm just gonna pull it up so everyone can see. So, before you answer the question, um, Commissioner Carr had a question about this. Would you recommend the city council regulates drive-throughs based on their greenhouse gas emissions? You want to answer? Um, so I'll I'll take a shot at that. The city um council and through our city code and the city's council city council has a policy book also. So, we have rules and regulations that are in code and then there's some policies. Um the city has a a variety of ways to regulate things and I think that's the um kind of the range that Ally presented this evening. One side of the range would be regulate. We should ban new drive-throughs. No more new drive-throughs in the city. That would be one end of the spectrum. Um maybe the other end of the spectrum is regulate. Um based on Oh go um I can't get all the way to the end of the spectrum there. Uh regulate. Uh we uh have a new acronym. It's Beyonce, which is bring your own clean energy. Um so if you're going to um regulate by saying if you're going to have a drive-thru, you have to have solar panels or something like that. So regulate can >> Did you make that acronym? No, I heard it at a session. >> I love it and immediately I'm taking it. Sorry to interrupt you continuously. >> We do. Yes. We we love our acronyms in in the planning world. So, yes, Beyonce, bring your own clean energy. >> I think that kind of relates to like the sustainable um development checklist that we're kind of looking at. >> Yeah. So, I'll give a plug for that. Though, I will say that our our community work group and the planning commission hasn't even seen this yet. So, a sneak peek for you. Um, in the zoning ordinance update, one of the things that we're including, uh, as a suggestion is that new development have to, uh, incorporate certain sustainability features. And we're not saying what those features need to be or how many, but we're giving them a list of options. So you must have x number of options and those may be things like uh solar panels, solar readiness, low salt design, um organics, all all sorts of things. So that would be another um type of regulation. So I think the question here is just do you think as a commission that the city should regulate drive-throughs based on greenhouse gas impacts? Do you think that there's a a there should be some regulation based on on that? >> And a couple things to add. I I see the example that Susan just gave as um more options like so there's just more flexibility in terms of the requirement. The other example of a ban is like it's just that's all it is. So this encompasses I would say regulates means require. The next question I'm going to ask you is if um the city should educate. So think of maybe this first question is should the city have requirements for um drive-thru businesses? The next question will be should it be based in terms of education? Does that if you have any questions you can still raise them? >> Okay. Thank you. So >> oops. So, by the word regulate, that could be regulating something less heavy-handed all the way to something more heavy-handed. Could it be a requirement, but it might be lightweight one year and an increase in the future or vice versa? >> I if I may, I think that that uh is certainly that that's certainly an option. Also, right now the city does not regulate drive-thrus, but for requiring what's called a conditional use permit. That's something that comes through the planning commission. And in that type of regulation, what the planning commission and city council are looking for are things like how far is the um drive-thru away from a residence for sound, how many um parking stalls are available, how big is the sign. So it's about how that building and that use lives in its environment. Whereas this question is about should the regulation should there be other regulations based on environmental impact. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Specifically the greenhouse gas impact that we've talked about. I I would like to add a a comment and a question. As I was listening to Dave's comments about, you know, should the city council regulate drive-throughs based on their greenhouse gas impacts? My initial reaction is yes. However, thinking about on page 11 what Ally pointed out, and I'm just going to read this. You know, while drive-throughs do represent a source of greenhouse gas emissions, we all agree to that. The the total estimated annual impact is 2488 metric tons. Compared to that list of the activities, it's at the bottom. The city only has a finite amount of resources in terms of re money and time to do everything. I'm almost inclined to say we should be getting we should be going for the biggest bang for our buck. This is at the bottom. I'm not even sure if we should be tackling this. It's not that it's not important, but you know, in the scheme of things, we've got all these other possibilities with greater quantities that we could be going after. And you know federal you know transportation is you know 50 52% federal highway interstate going down you know to to waste at 3% which was at 14,000 and now based on Alli's excellent analysis we're talking about 2489 metric tons of CO2 from the from the drive-throughs you know accounting for 0.44% 44% of county of communitywide emissions. I'm not sure. Well, I guess I could vote no. >> Well, can I ask a question to that because to me, why is it not a yes and um because so whenever I look at the chart, which love your charts, they're always fantastic. And you all know that I always say my favorite thing that I love to address in the sustainability space is waste. Waste is always at the bottom of the list. It's 3% is what comes up. But I'm always going to advocate that we need to reduce our waste. Okay. So, but in based on the argument that you're making, we could say, well, we have bigger fish to fry. >> Um, and so should we all just be like, okay, well, it's not that important that we recycle. It's not that important that we do waste reduction. >> Sure, you're right. No, [laughter] >> Brian, the leader of recycling, being totally facitious, >> you guys wait till we get started with Brian. He will tell, don't get him started. y'all know he'll be like in 1980 I started recycling back when we did we combined all the recycling together >> I I observed it back then >> but um no and so um don't get me wrong but um I do I to me it's a yes and and additionally we started off this presentation by discussing the fact that uh we had a goal of 2030 when we started this Brian um it's 2026 yay we're halfway there but we're halfway there >> I hear you >> and we have four years to go to get to the We're only halfway there and it's 2026. What about the children? What about the children, Brian? >> I I think about them every day. >> What about the children? >> If I can. >> No. So, I just I think that's a slippery slope to say, um, we have bigger fish to fry. We do have bigger fish to fry. I So, to me, it's a yes. And do we need to be attacking the the idol? uh can we I think we need to be doing this and I think we also need to say why do we have all you know the highways are here and so yes that's our biggest thing obviously so can we attack that as well yes do we need to get people converting over to EVs yes we need to be doing that as well but to me it's a yes and so and additionally I love education I think education is a fantastic piece and I appreciate that but I also think education only goes so far um and and you can see we're all on board with the education piece but education is only going to go so are I think there is greater impact that you have and especially when we are allying ourselves with city council who um when we're requiring our government to do to who has a stronger hand to enforce something and additionally we talked about it doesn't have to be an iron fist with what we're trying to enforce this with it can start as uh something slightly more gentle and that it can also be something that we're coming to them with a sustainability as a sustainability commission with however I think to say that this is such a small portion of it. It is a small portion of it, but if it's a small portion, that can be the soft ask of people. Can you turn off your car while you're waiting for your kids outside of school? I think we can ask folks to do that. The city saying turn off your car. The city saying buses, you're going to have to turn the bus off while you're waiting the 30 minutes outside of schools. We can ask that of folks. We can say the city said it's time for you to turn off your car when you're waiting outside. Yes, let's do that. And I also need we also need to be doing these other things as well cuz 2030 is here. I remember when we first started it, it was 2021 and 2030 is here. So that's my pitch. Thank you. >> Julie noted >> and I think if I may uh chair, I think that these questions were intended to spark conversation. Uh certainly we're not looking for um this group to all necessarily even be in consensus. Um, and all of these comments will be provided um to to the council. And one thing I wanted to mention, chair, um, and commission, what I'm hearing from commissioner Patine, specifically related to the waste, is that you're you're thinking about not just the greenhouse gas impacts of a topic. waste has so many other aspects to it that we care about such as landfilling and you know all air quality and um water contamination that ends at happens at landfill. So there's there's so much else to consider besides the greenhouse gas impacts. So that's why waste tends to fall so low, but we also know that there's so many other reasons to care about it. Um I think you can also think about this too with the idling as we've talked about. Yes, there's greenhouse gas impacts, but there's also the public health concerns that come with it, too. So, I think that's where some of that um nuance is coming in possibly. So, I just wanted to call that out so it's clear. >> And then, if you're hung up a little bit, it looks like we only have three votes on the first one. Um so, again, would you recommend that the city council requires drive-throughs um sorry, has requirements for drive-throughs based on their greenhouse gas emissions? I think easy way to think of that. Um, question two. I'm sorry, this is so small. Um, if you pull it up on I can't zoom in, unfortunately. If you pull it up on your phone, um, I'm not sure. Does it let you go back after you've submitted? I don't know if it does or not. Um, but if you can squint and see all the options, you might see a couple examples of um, the regulation too. If that maybe helps you answer question one, I have a clarifying question. Um for question one, since we have discussed idling including bus car um car poolool Q for parents, can we include that in this drive-thru question? >> Yeah. Um yes, great question. And so these, let's see. So I think what you're saying is yes, we you want to say the city should consider regulating and that the new action would be related to like school busing is that or school bus idling. Um that might not come up specifically within here. Let's see. Yeah, I don't think it does. But in that case, I have an act I have um item five and where you can share your thoughts. >> Okay. So, if there isn't an action that you see, why don't you put it in um question five? It's open-ended. >> Okay. And I think um what I'm what I'm hearing um just in these first two questions and in some of the conversation previously um that the commission is interested in regulation andor or regulation and education as it pertains to idling in general and that it may not be >> specific to drive-throughs. Now, that was the the request of the the council was for us to all consider drive-throughs specifically, and it's as part of this larger zoning ordinance work that's being done. But I I I do think that this conversation here this evening leads to a larger conversation beyond just drive-throughs. So, all all good. >> Good. Is anyone still voting? I had one. >> Okay. Yep. No rush. >> I had one question left, I think. >> Mhm. I only have one question. I'm on question. Uh, which cap strategies should the city continue to prioritize? Can you only Is there only the ability to accept one? >> Oh, is it only allowing you to do one? >> That's all I'm able to do. >> Okay. Um, >> which is a little unfortunate. >> Yeah. Hm. I don't think I can fix. >> Yeah, I know. That's >> Yeah, that shouldn't be like that. >> Um, >> I just wanted to point that out. >> Yeah, >> if you're if you're willing to wait just a minute, I can go and fix that cuz I actually would like to know your answer. So, one moment. >> Can Can we go back? >> I think you should be able to >> I apologize if we need to take a little bit of a a break. Ally needs to grab some technology in order to do this. >> It's okay. >> Our our bestlaid plans to in in to uh prompt conversation kind of went sideways here and I do apologize for that. >> Perhaps we could play some Beyonce. >> No. Okay. >> You don't want to hear my Beyonce. >> Tech people. No. Okay. Does it seem like it lets you go back? >> Mine didn't look like there. >> I I didn't see a back or arrow. >> If you click refresh, it would let you refresh the current question you're on. Yeah, [clears throat] >> I think I went on the last one, but I can't go back. >> It doesn't let you go back. >> I was going to mess up my >> back. >> You did? >> Okay, >> I'm on Android, so >> I've already us >> I was afraid to get the back button. >> Should we just take a roll call then? Maybe just raise of hands. How about >> That's a great idea. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, so the first cap strategy, uh, let's see, I'll just read the question. Which cap strategy should the city continue to or begin to prioritize to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in Minnotonka? The first is to work with the Metropolitan Council and other partners to support improved transit options. Raise your hand if you're in support of that. So, all six. Yeah. Um, the next is to promote climate action resources on the city's website. Okay. Host outreach activities. Include regular climate news in the Minnetonka memo and thrive. Three, implement a green car share program. Five, encourage biking and walking. zero. Require sustainable developments or modify land use and zoning. Three, four, develop an EV readiness plan. Six, hosting a business recognition program. So, continuing our five. Okay, thanks. That was a lot easier. [laughter] Okay. And then um did everyone get an opportunity to submit additional thoughts? I'll just quick read these. Addressing idling as a whole may be a good compromise on resources while also addressing drive-throughs. Um focus on transit buses first. There was a great conversation around adding oversight and education around idling and other areas that have significant impacts. So, school drop off pickup um for buses and then great data so we can make well-informed our decisions. So, yeah. Any other thoughts or comments that came out of it? Yep. >> Uh as a driver of an EV vehicle, it feels in this day and age that I'm being punished for having an EV. So having the city look at some way to reduce the tag fees would be nice because that is really a deterrent for most people to have an EV these days. I'm thinking it's not worth it. It is so expensive. So >> elaborate. I I just bought one so the tab fees are coming for me. What did it say? Um, basically you're we're being penalized because the gas t tax has gone down. And so whereas people pay approximately $200 a year in gas taxes for drivers, ours is going up substantially. >> So someone who pays $700 for their tabs will end up paying either 12 or $1,400 for their tabs. This is what the new is what they um >> was reported in the Star Tribune recently. So, >> I I get my tabs in July and I'm just cringing. So, just just something maybe there's something the city can do if we want to encourage people to buy it to find a way to offset the cost of fees for a year or two. So, since it's not depreciating, so even older cars aren't depreciating. Sorry, I could go into it. Thank you. >> Thank you for elaborating. One little benefit for EV drivers, uh, the HOV lane has provides a credit for EV owners. I don't know how significant it is, but I don't use them. [laughter] So, it would be nice to have that, but some more credits would be lovely. I have my own home uh charger, so I like that. But, you know, we end up paying taxes on that charger. We pay taxes on our home. We pay taxes on the electric and we pay taxes on the car. So, we're getting taxed like three times for having an EV. >> So, it's it's getting a little >> difficult. Let's just say thank you. >> Appreciate the comments. Okay. Uh with that, that's all I had for that item. So, I think we can move on. Chair, I'll let you >> Very good. Thank you very much for that spirited conversation. I also want to thank you all very much. So for uh the data heavy uh presentation, I as you know went through it all very carefully once I had the correct version and I do appreciate seeing the uh the assumptions and the thought process that went into that. I realize it took quite quite a bit of effort. So thank you very much with that. So we will now uh move to item six on the agenda which is a a report from staff. I take it back. Give it back to you Ally and Susan. >> Yes. Thank you, chair, commission. Um, just a [clears throat] few general staff updates. So, our next commission meeting is in July, Tuesday, July 21st, um, at 6 p.m. as normal. Um, few climate action and adaptation plan updates. Um, so we did receive a few notices on grant opportunities that we had applied to and received. One I shared was through the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency and that was for the green cauter program. Um just for a little bit more background, that was a local climate action um implementation grant and it was the same grant that the city had previously received to fund the free home energy squad visit campaign last year. So we applied again and we were selected which is really exciting. Um that campaign will likely kick off sometime this summer. We're still in the process of signing all the agreements and then we'll go through the planning um and communications plan. So stay tuned. Um that's very new news that we received. Um we also applied and were awarded for another MPCA grant. Again, local climate action, but this was for a planning grant. So as if you're um going to do any form of like facilities planning, for example. um we submitted an application for um an electrification and energy efficiency study for our facilities. So 11 facilities likely will be included in that analysis and we're just going to go through and figure out are there recommendations of how to um continue transitioning our fossil fuel appliances to electric appliances. Similarly how we were talking about with um residential properties or commercial properties. We want to do that as well. And that's actually a strategy in the climate action and adaptation plan that we will start to plan that I believe by 2040 is to decarbonize our facilities. So we were awarded that um planning study. So again stay tuned on updates. The final agreements aren't officially signed but we received notice that we were selected. Um third was on the city council agenda last night. Um, very surprisingly, we were awarded for a global grant that we applied through. It was through Bloomberg Philanthropies. They're supported by John Hopkins University. Um, and it's a a youth climate action fund that they have. And so, um, they provide up to 300 cities, municipalities with $50,000 to use to distribute as micro grants to youth, um, to implement climate action projects. So, it's really exciting. When we submitted, we were not expecting to get selected. Um, but we were selected. I think Minneapolis is the only other city in Minnesota that was selected. There's very few in the Midwest and I think we're one of 56 within the country. So, really, really exciting. Um, that staff report was on the agenda last night. I'll link that in our Friday E-News updates for you now that it's official. City Council approved that. Um, but we will certainly enlist the city or the sustainability commission to eventually review those applications. Um, is the goal and then you'll be able to select the awardees for that. The micro grants are around $5,000. It can kind of vary based on how many we want to fund. Um, but stay tuned. I think it'll be a really really exciting project. Um, we'll see some, you know, creativity come out of that. And I guess just one piece is that um for someone to be eligible, they have to be working with um a an entity that's either considered like a nonprofit or a school. So they have to have a sponsor and that sponsor is the one that applies to support the students. So it's it's not individual students applying, it's like student group supported by a mentee is kind of how I'm seeing that. But we will do some broader announcements on that. But that one was really exciting, too. >> Congratulations. Nice work. >> That's great. >> I just wanted to add that um Miss Sutherland has done an amazing job of seeking out grants, applying for them. If you've ever applied for a grant, which I'm sure many of you have, it is very time consuming and it's been so um exciting to hear her open the email uh saying that we were awarded the grant. It's um it's been uh we're we're just really excited about what what the future um holds over this next uh year given um what we've been able to obtain. So >> yeah. Yeah. So very very exciting news. So um stay tuned for those updates. The commission will be involved in all of those in some way or the other. But really exciting to be getting money in a time where um some funding is no longer existent. So, um, that being said, uh, community ambassador opportunities, just wanted to give some updates there. And I know, thank you to those who've already signed up. I know there's been a lot of signups recently. So, on June 9th, uh, that's a Tuesday, we have our farmers market starting. So, that's the first farmers market, well, not the first farmers market of the year, I don't think, but the first one where they have tableling at. Um, so there's two different shifts. We can you can either do um sign up for 2 to 4:00 p.m. or from 4:00 to 6:00 p.m. I mean, you're welcome to stay the whole time, but usually people like to split it up. I'm apologizing. I can't remember if anyone has signed up for that one off. Brian, >> two to four. >> Okay. Okay. [clears throat] So, great. So, the 2 to 4 is probably um filled then. So, if is anyone interested in signing up tonight for the four to six? You got you can both also both be there if you would like. We've had two people at the same time. Dave, did you want to? Okay. 4 to 6 on the Tuesday. Okay, that sounds great. Summerfest. Um that is Saturday, June 27th. Um from about 3:30 is when commissioners get there and then we leave around 8:00. Um that's one of our really big events, I would say, for the commission. Um that's our everything electric event where we're going to have the four electric vehicles, one plug-in hybrid. We're going to have a children's activity between the planning group um and ourselves to kind of get more people to come over. Um and then Commissioner Meyer is going to be at um a table kind of showcasing her home um airsource heat pump which is really exciting. So stay tuned for more on that. But we're trying to branch not just from electric vehicles but more of the electrification as a whole. So um let's see. I think we have three people signed up for the 3:30 to 6 which I believe was Ashley and who else was there? Greta and then Diane. And then Diane is also going to be there from the 6 to 8. So I think we have two more openings from 6:00 to 8 that night. If anyone else is available can let us know. I know Brian has commitments. His daughter is getting married that weekend. So, I told him he's off even though he's still contemplating. But, >> yeah, I I I just want to add I've missed out the last two years on the Everything Electric event. [clears throat] I can't remember why. I wanted to go to both and I had major conflicts and I'd like to I'd like to be able to be there this year, but long story short is Saturday evening I might be preoccupied. Um but there's no plans at the moment. So if I was able to participate or at least show up, it would be in the afternoon. Um we're busy on Friday. Um, anyway, >> I can't I can't assure that I can be available between 6 and 8 that day. >> Brian, if you want to still come at that 3 to six time frame just to show up and join, you're more than welcome to. Okay. So, >> why don't you just plan on that and then if you know if you're if your time opens up and you want to come out, you're welcome to. And if not, that's totally fine. >> Very good. Thank you. >> Perfect. So, if anyone wants to sign up for the 6 to8, just know that's open. we can touch base at a later time. Um, and then lastly, just another farmers market in July, July 14th, Tuesday, the same two shifts. Greta, I believe that you signed up for one of them already if I recall. I know it's a ways out, so maybe just kind of note that that's coming up and we can chat um later too. And I send these out every Friday, too. So, you're welcome to sign up through the signup genius. That is all I had. Sure. >> Thank you very much, Alex Alli. Um, that concludes item 6A. Uh, item seven is, excuse me, report from my fellow sustainability commission members. Does anyone have anything they would like to report at this point in time? I'm I'm looking and I see nothing. Oh, Ashley >> tricked you. Go ahead. >> Um, so I would like to report um since our last sustainability commission, we had our um what was it called? the clothing swap and it was fantastic. I think we had a great turnout this year. We um had the clothing swap this year here uh at the community center and so I thought we had fantastic volunteers amount of volunteers show up. Um I thought Ally did a fantastic job of um we had the table set up which had Commissioner Meyer at hosting and then we had a really good flow this year. I think we learned a lot from last year. So um did you get the final numbers for us this year? >> I did and I'm trying to remember them and >> that's okay. It was a lot. Like it was um >> Diane, do you recall? >> I'd have to look them up. >> My recollection was uh 2400 pounds of clothing that we took in. >> That sounds great. >> And about 80 90% that was taken home then. So reused. >> Let's see. Um, and then the remainder, I'm estimating, but the remainder was uh sent to my house um for >> Oh, his house. >> His house >> for homeless um to give a a basket of clothes. So, it was about three times what it was last year, I believe. >> Yeah. Here, I just I just quickly pulled it up. Thank you for that. So, again, it was our third annual clothing swap. 375 people attended. 2,176 pounds of clothing were reused. Um, which is two times more people than last year and two and a half times more clothing swapped. Roughly 70% of the donations uh were from Minnitonka residents. >> The which was really interesting is the remaining came from residents of 25 different cities which I thought was really cool to [laughter] to show our reach. Um, this year I posted on the Buy Nothing group, so I kind of question if that's how >> That's good. >> But who knows? >> Um, and then yes, as Commissioner Meyer mentioned that all the remaining um clothing went to his house and um Martha who runs that, they they support um people in need of housing. She said that they oftentimes will host like donation opportunities in Minneapolis and they'll just put out clothing and people come and take it and >> um but they also bring it to people who are they're temporarily housing too. So it's a really cool local opportunity to know that someone's getting it without a charge, you know. >> So yeah, thank you Commissioner Patine for raising that. Any other items on uh item seven? If not, we'll move to item eight. Is there any other business that we want to discuss tonight? I'm looking to see no one is indicating anything. So, we will >> I had one Dave. What is the protocol for um uh suggesting or recommending a a program for a later meeting September, November like a a geothermal system that uh I was being thinking about that an engineering firm and an installation firm might like to come and educate us on. >> I think this would be an appropriate time right now, >> would it? Okay. >> Yeah. So, um, uh, couple things. You're welcome, any any commissioner is welcome to raise that during the meeting, you know, during the commissioner comment section. If you have a particular interest, the commission consider that. Um, this is also definitely a part of the subcommittee that we're meeting with. So, that's where we're >> However, we haven't met in a while, and I know that was something that we were talking about. So, we can certainly between you and um Brian and I, we can continue to to um schedule that and get it on the subcommittee. >> Yeah. Rather, keep everybody up. >> Yeah. Yeah. But no, I I appreciate you raising it and keep continuing to talk to them and I think it'll be very um helpful for the rest of the commission to learn about that. So, >> thank you. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Thank you, Dave. [clears throat] With that, that will conclude item eight on the agenda. I will move to item nine. Our final item of the evening, adjournment. Would anyone like to make a motion for our meeting to adjurnn? >> I motion. >> Thank you. Is it Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you. Susan, would you like to pull the members? >> Yep. Carr, >> yes. >> Sher, >> yes. >> Meyer, >> yes. >> Patine, >> yes. White, >> yes. >> Chair Golup, >> yes. Meeting is adjourned.