to city council meeting September 9th, 2026. I will call this meeting to order. If everyone could please join me in the pledge of allegiance [clears throat] to the flag of the United States of America [clears throat] and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. We can just ask everyone to put their cell phones on silent. Um I am Kathleen Refkin. I am acting mayor tonight. Um to my left are council members Peter Vicky, Claudia Lacy, Brian Govern, and we have our WSB engineer Allison Fowski along with our director of public works Gary Peters, our assistant city administrator Paula Balman. To my right, we have city administrator Jasper Krugal, our director of finance Brian Grim, our community development director David Ael, and our chief of police chief Squires and and our clerk Ann Meerhoff is joining us remotely as well as our city attorney Sarah Sansala. Do I have any changes to the agenda as presented? Uh, madame chairperson, I would like to uh postpone item 6 uh C on the personnel committee budget until the 21st. >> Okay. Is there a second for that? Is everyone okay with that until Lisa's back? >> All right. So, we will move um business item 6C to the work session on the 21st. Any other changes to the agenda? Okay. Do we have a motion to approve the agenda then with the one change? So moved. >> Is there a second? >> All those in favor signify with I. >> I. >> All those opposed? Motion passes 40. Um tonight we have a special presentation. The League of Women Voters. Um Rebecca Hawthorne, you come to the podium. >> Thank you so much. So, I'm delighted to have the opportunity to come and briefly present to you the work of the League of Women Voters um in our own community and answer any questions that that you may have as well. Um so, the league's mission is twofold. First, empowering voters and second, defending democracy. When we talk about empowering voters, we're talking about supporting all US citizens who are eligible eligible to vote and encouraging them to get to the polls, defending democracy refers to defending our right to vote and the processes of holding our elections. So, the League of Women Voters of the Lake Minnotonka Plymouth area covers a fairly substantial geographic area. We are all the communities surrounding Lake Minnetonka from Corkran all the way to Woodland. This represents the merger of two leagues that occurred about two years ago. The League of Women Voters of South Tonka which covered the southern communities and the League of Women Voters of the Weisetta Plymouth area which covered the northern communities. We are now all one league. We have approximately 120 members drawing from this area. Uh the first league was formed actually in Excelsier in 1940 and the Weisetta League followed in 1953. So there's a long history to the League of Women Voters. There are actually 34 local chapters across the state of Minnesota. There we go. So in terms of history, we are a 106-year-old nonpartisan organization. What that means is that we do not support any candidates. We do not support any parties. We support citizens right to vote. Secondly, we encourage the active and informed participation of citizens in government. We encourage citizens to serve their communities as you are serving your community and thank you for your service. And finally, we educate the public on major public policy issues such as election integrity, voting rights, and we advocate for these issues. One of the issues that's on our ballot is the proposed change to the permanent school fund. That is a piece of uh proposed legislation that the league is working to push out and make sure that our citizens are aware of what that is and how that works. So locally, our local league focuses on registering voters and educating voters. And I need to share with you that you live in the area in the country with some of the highest voter registration across the nation. We also have some of the highest percentage of voter turnout for elections. So for the League of Women Voters to stand on the corner and attempt to register voters, most people would say, "Thank you very much. I'm already registered to vote. In our local league, we focus on two specific areas with our voter registration. The first is our seniors. Many seniors who move into senior residences are unaware that they must re-register to vote in order to legally vote. Not only that, if they move from independent living to assisted living or from one apartment to another by law, they must re-register to vote. So, the League of Women Voters goes into senior residences. We help our independent living residents and our assisted living residents register to vote, request an absentee ballot, whatever work they need done in order to vote. And many of our seniors have voted their entire lives, so it's incredibly important to them to be able to continue voting. We will be visiting Harrison Bay Senior Living on the 17th of September. Um, so we're in your own community working with seniors to make sure that we're able to support them. um as well. Our second target area are our high school students because these are the two pockets of voters that we need to attend to in the West Metro area. Our high school students, our 18-year-olds are voting for the very first time. We are in the high schools registering students to vote. You may pre-register 16 and 17 year olds right now. They're not allowed to vote, but that pre-registration is part of Minnesota law. We actually have created a program called the youth civic engagement fellows program with the League of Women Voters. Each of our four high schools within our geographic area, we select two high school students each year to work directly with the League of Women Voters. So when we go in and do a voter registration drive in the high school, it's not the league doing the drive. We support the students in doing the planning and actually running the drive as well. So, it's peer-to-peer in terms of registering our high school students. And we're hoping to promote mock election programs in our high schools as well, so students actually have that opportunity to fill in a ballot and understand the process of voting. So, finally, oh, and educating voters, let me I need to talk about that, but I'm going to do that in specific uh relation to how we work with our cities. So, specifically, how do we work with the city of Minatrista? We host candidate forums for contested elections, so when there's more than one candidate. We also support candidate participation in vote411.org, which is an online nonpartisan voter guide that is national. And uh we send out invitations to all of the candidates to participate in that voter guide. We send out invitations to all of the candidates to participate in our candidate forums. When a candidate has a conflict and is unable to be there in person, we invite them to submit a statement to be read aloud by the moderator so that all candidates voices and positions are present. In terms of who we work with, we work closely with the city clerks of each of our communities. We've been working with Ann Meerhoff since February to set up the candidate forum for Minatrista. Um, we also arrange for videography so they can be livereamed and recorded and posted on the League of Women Voters website and the city website if interested. So again, citizens, residents have that opportunity to hear the recordings of candidates speaking to the issues that are most important to your city. Support. We support the youth civic engagement fellowship program in the local high schools. So these are your students. They will show up at city council meetings and and represent the student body. Um and finally, we're hosting mayor's forums. This is something that we have borrowed from our sister chapter, the South Tonka League, for years and years. They hosted mayor forums where they brought the mayors of all the communities together. We hosted our first mayor forum this uh past spring and Mayor Whan did come and did an outstanding job of representing Mini Minatrista and Minatrista's uh accomplishments and uh work going forward. [snorts] So that just gives you a little bit of an introduction to the League of Women Voters. And of course, we show up and march in local parades whenever we're able to, bringing um family, grandkids, dogs, neighbors, and everyone else to represent the league and uh who we are and what we do. So, any questions that I can answer? I want to >> I understand we have three candidates uh for the city council. [clears throat] Are they all committed to uh showing up at the event? We have two candidates who will be there in person and a third who I I hope will be submitting a statement as a conflict. So >> any other questions >> conflict [laughter] >> want to make sure that she is present in her written statement. So >> and how long have you been doing this at uh the city hall? I participated when I was running and I so >> for years and years. I mean our we are running 13 candidate forums in city halls this election season and we have always held them in city halls unless we have a city hall that is so small that it cannot accommodate um the audience. So, in fact, we have had cities outside of our geographic area approach us and ask us to run candidate forums for them because the league is known for we do our research. We are very careful about having non-biased neutral questions based on the issues that are most important to that community. Um, and we unfortunately just do not have enough people to run all of the forums that were requested to run. So, we have been, in fact, I recall driving up to Minotrista a couple of years ago. We we are in city hall again, it's your city council and and the years that the mayors run uh that position as well as represented in the candidate forum. >> Well, thank you. >> Thank you. Any other questions? [clears throat] >> Thank you very much for the opportunity to come and um have a good meeting. >> You too. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next, we have persons to be heard. We have one person signed up. Uh, Miss Laurel Kiso, if you could come to the podium and then state your name and address for the record, and you have three minutes. >> Great. Good evening, city council and staff. So, my name is Laurel Kiso. We built our house at 6728 Belfflower Drive in Woodland Cove in 2023. I became president of the Villa's East HOA in October of 25. I also have a seat on the master HOA board as well. I'm here this evening on behalf of the master HOA board to present a letter to council and staff. This letter highlights our concerns regarding the filtration basins in Woodland Cove that were installed by MI Homes. So, we are requesting an productive, positive in-person meeting with the city and any other necessary involved parties that you would like to have present. So, we are looking forward to working and discussing our concerns. Can I >> You can give it to Jasper. What are your concerns just that they weren't built correctly or if you could be a little more specific? >> Stated in the letter that Yeah. that they aren't functioning is our biggest concern. So, working to have them function properly. >> I would assume you guys consider meeting up with WSB and them to see what's going on. >> That's all good. >> Okay. Great. All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Next, we have our consent agenda. Under that, we have a approve city council regular meeting minutes from August 3rd, 2026. Approve work session meeting minutes from August 17th, 2026. C. Approve city council regular meeting minutes from August 17th, 2026. D. A resolution to approve claims. E. A resolution to approve repairarian view shed setback variance at 960 Maple Crest Drive. F is a resolution to approve the installation of a hydrant and sample testing station by the Wolfberry Park pickle court. G is a resolution to approve the replacement of the paved return on North View Drive and the overlay of the paved return on Highland Road. H is the Excel lease agreement amendment. I is the St. Bonafacious Fire Relief Association pension request. J is the city administrator performance review summary. Are there any that anybody wishes to pull? I would like to pull D claims and um F the hydrant one to talk about those. There any other >> Okay. Is there a motion to approve A B C E G H I J [laughter] >> Mr. Bakery? >> Second. All those All those in favor signify with I. >> I. >> I. >> All those opposed. Motion passes. 40. Um, so I have some questions on the hydrant and then the claims because the hydrant bill is in the claims. Um, why did we need to do this so quickly? The higher was installed um for the purpose of the water new water treatment plant so that they could access a water source for using there. The nearest water source to that would have been across up the hill and across the street um on the corner of Wolfberry and I believe it's Bellflower there. So, um this is the line that's going to feed the neighborhood. Um so it made sense to put the valve in and connect everything at this point. Now, it would have been connected in the future. Um, but since it needed the water and the water source, it was just the opportunity was there to do it. >> Okay. And then how come it didn't come to council before it went in and was, I guess, approved and paid for or in the process of being paid for? >> I can I can speak to that a little bit here. Um, there there was a timing issue with just the meetings and when Magny, the the contractor, could do the work. So, um, part of the the deal was, um, working with Magny, working with A2S. Uh, we purchased the materials, so the hydrant and the valve and all that stuff. Magny actually installed all of that for no cost. A2S did the engineering for fee free. But, um, I believe Gary can elaborate a little bit more, but Magny said, "Here's the window of time we can do this for free. Otherwise, you're going to have to go out and get bits for it or get get quotes for it essentially." So, um there were some uh health related things that with the timing of it was supposed to go to the August 17th meeting. It did not make it on that agenda because of um just the not not having the ability to do the staff report for that meeting. So, ideally, it would have hit on uh August 17th before the actual work completed. >> Is um I noticed the quotes were obtained on August 3rd. Is there a reason it wasn't mentioned at the August 3rd meeting that we were getting the quotes? >> I I don't know. I don't I had not seen the quotes until um this meeting. So I don't we knew we knew this was coming up. So we obtained quotes. I had every I had every wanted to get this on the 17th meeting, but unfortunately had a medical condition that didn't allow me to do it. So um you know the onus is on me. I will take the blame for that. Um the opportunity did arise for it. Um the reason that we did purchase the parts through us was a to us consultant said that we should purchase them through the city ourselves and avoid the 20% markup that Magny would have done. So thus saving $5,000 plus they were putting in the um timet moved up on us when I returned back from um being gone that they happened to have time to put this in and get this done cuz they were in the starting to advance the plant and need of water. So, um, we decided decided to go ahead and get it or stuff ordered and get it there and then bring it back at a later date for approval since it was going to be needed anyways. >> And this was the project that was completed on September 1st where the there was no water on Wolfberry. Is that that is that from this or what's that? >> On September 1st, Wolf Berry didn't have water for that period. That was for this, correct? >> Yep. Yeah. Because um we needed to shut off the one street because there are not enough valves in the road. So, end up having to shut one off for a few hours while we made the connection. And then under claims, there's two sections for core and main the vendor. One of them is obviously the hydrant and the installation parts. And then there's another one that's the 16 inch pipe saddle for sample station. What is that? >> The pipe saddle was for the project on um um West um >> West Edge. >> West Edge. Thank you. Um we're putting in a sample station over there with the project that's being done now. um so that we don't have to take water samples from hydrants. As we're opening hydrants on that end of town, we're getting a lot of pressure differentials in the households. And one gentleman there does have um gauges on his and you can see a definite spike as we're opening and closing hydrants. Um we do not have businesses that we can enter and go get water samples from daily. So we need to have hydrants in this. So we're installing a testing station there on that pipeline so that we can eliminate going in there. uh we're opening hydrants in that area to avoid that pressure spikes which can cause you know problems with water heaters and stuff like that. So have one there and we're keeping one inside wall five even though it will be decommissioned still have a test station inside there. So we'll have two testing points on that side of town. >> And then just one more question. The um the invoice amount the 24,960 is more than the amount in the packet. Is was there >> $2625? >> No, for the for the core and main one, the main one, the $24,960. That's more than the amount in the packet for the >> for the bill itself painted. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We purchased um there's several stuff purchased during that time. Um one was a sample station for West Edge that we purchased. Uh we purchased line for that there the saddle. There was some ceiling tape for um a lift station repair that we were doing. Um that's trying to think about and and curb stop parts. We we're replacing a lot of curb stops that are bad. So we're doing a lot of curb stop replacements. So I think there's like almost $18 or $1,700 worth of curb stop parts that we purchased. Then one hydrate repair that we did that we needed a new 45 degree angle because it was leaking. Um, thank you. >> I was referring to the actual quote pack. The quote amount is the 24758 and then the the check amount is more than that. That's why >> I I can I can answer that. I think Gary attempted it was freight related. So the $225 difference is related to the freight on the items on there. So the freight wasn't included in the quote, I guess. So at that time they didn't know what what the parts were going to weigh and that stuff. So the freight is always added in later. It's no different than when we order pumps and stuff like that too. The freight is always added extra because of when the final gets there how much it weighs to ship it. So yeah the the total was that was quot was 24,75465. Uh rate was $26.25. That's why the difference of that's why the total was 24,754.65 on the invoice. And and I will add ideally we can bring this stuff we we try I know Gary tries to bring the stuff forward. Um you know there's times where there's like an urgency or an emergency, right? Those are two different situations. This one was a timing thing with city council meetings and an opportunity to to save some money I would say. So ideally we bring this stuff in advance. It >> would be nice if um you know ultimately the council's accountable to the citizens for the spending of their tax dollars. So, if we do have something like this where we need to make a uh expenditure before the ordinance is passed, uh if we could just get a communication to the council, I think that would would be helpful. [snorts] >> Yeah. >> Does anyone else have any questions on the hydrant or the claims? >> Okay. All right. If we can get a motion then to approve items E and F. >> So moved. >> Is there a second? Second. >> All those in favor signify with I. >> I. >> All those opposed. Motion passes for O. Next we have um public hearings which we do not have any today. So we have our business items. And the first one is the 2027 street improvement project. >> Hi. Thank you members of the city council. um here talking about the 2020 2027 street improvement project. Uh so a little background, city minista uh does pavement uh conditions uh review on a regular basis. They're evaluated based on the surface uh conditions that we see of the pavement. Um that helps us identify problem areas and things for planning for the future. Um based on that uh we do pavement cores to determine uh kind of the extent of the pavement condition that exists out there. Uh for the 2012 2027 street improvement project um we're looking at uh kind of two areas and I'm going to talk about the islands area first um which is shown on the screen that includes Warner Lane, Cedar Point Road, Edsil Road, St. Mary's Road, Welssley Way, and Lee Road. Thank you. Um existing conditions out there. We're just looking at some photos and then uh some summary of the uh service conditions and the cores for each of these areas. So the entire area was built in 1973. Um you can really obvious in the photos how much patching is out there. We're seeing a lot of alligator cracking, surface stripping, and we took pavement cores and we're showing that the base course of the pavement is starting to deteriorate. That happens really when water can get into the base course and starts wreaking its havoc havoc. Water is the enemy when it comes to pavement. And that's really kind of showing what the cores we see out there. All right. Uh some more photos. This is St. Mary's Road and Cedar Point Road. Um similar conditions. Um, and there's Lee Road. So, you can see some obvious pavement cracking through there. So, what we're Oh, is a little different on this one. Oh, no, never mind. We're just a little lost. I'm good. Uh, [laughter] we're also looking at area on Ridgewood um Ridgewood Cove um for improvements. This is something that we talked about as a future street project, not necessarily 2027, but we're talking about it now. um so that we can have a discussion with with council and the council can review options for this road as well. Similarly, we look at the pavement surface and cores uh to cores out there. So there's a photo of Ridgewood Cove again built in 1973 uh surface stripping alligator cracking and again that raveling it's when it starts disintegrating that's the raveling that's the term that it's used. All right. So um option for improvement we're looking at is full depth reclamation. Uh the f the machine you see on the right that's a reclaimer machine. What it does is it polarizes the existing batuminous in with the aggregate below. Um and that produces a gravel-like material. It uh acts just like a gravel road. What we do is re recompact that material and that serves as the base um the base material for a new road section. Then we pave um two lifts of pavement on top of it. Provides a nice sturdy road that can last for decades. So for the islands again the the pavement um improvement we're looking at is reclamation using that reclaimer machine. The existing street widths would widths would remain the same. And then we try and match the street grades that are out there. [clears throat] making sure we're tying into driveways, um matching existing slopes, and doing what we can to improve any drainage concerns out there. Uh we're also looking at installing INI barriers, their inflow and infiltration barriers that go those go on the sanitary sewer. It helps prevent water getting into the sanitary system. And then we're looking at um some storm improvements on Welssley Way. Um St. Mary's is a fairly steep slope right now. Water coming down St. Mary's um uh surface drains along Welssley and gets into culverts that go across Tuxedo. That surface draining, especially during heavy rainfalls with the slope on St. Mary's, has provided a pretty consistent erosion issue. We had a resident talking about that that she lives at that property and consistently sees erosion. She's become friends with some public works folks to make improvements on a regular basis. Um, so trying to uh add some storm sewer to prevent those erosion [clears throat] issues out there. Okay. And then for Ridgewood Cove, um, we'd be looking at either pavement reclamation or reconstruction. That would depend on the type of utility work that would happen on Rididgewood Cove. Uh, installation of curbon gutter throughout. Um, the existing street widths would remain the same. The curb and gutter would um be where the existing edge of pavement is. That would be the outside of the curb and gutter. Again, we'd match existing street guides and drainage patterns, making sure we're tying into driveways. Uh we're looking at potentially installing water mane on Ridgewood Cove. There is not existing water mane on the street. Um, and this would be an opportunity to since we're potentially reconstructing it, it's a great opportunity to install utilities that don't currently exist there. Uh, so we we looked at an option to throw in water main um and uh water service would be extended to each parcel. There would be a curb stop placed to the residents would not be required to hook up at this time, but it'd be available for them to hook up in the future after the project. Um if water man's not installed we reconstruct or we would do the reclamation project um for the lifespan of the road probably not looking at installing water mane which could be potentially 30 years from now other utility improvements again the INI barriers on the sanitary sewer and then um some minor storm improvements out there there's some culverts that go under the road we try and make some improvements to the to the existing drainage So, uh, for project costs, um, for the islands area, we're looking at a cost of $925,800. That would be funded through the road fund and special assessments. For Rididgewood Cove, we're looking at two options. One would be a reclamation project without water mane. The cost for that would be 414,400. If you include water mane, the the street reconstruction to doing reclamation is not quite as feasible because you're going to be digging down and all that reclaim material would be disturbed when you dig out the water mane and through moving it around it no longer becomes a good gravel base material. So you'd be looking at a full reconstruction of the street. So that um uh for reconstruction of the street with water mane that cost would be $811,700. city's assessment policy is to assess uh benefiting property owners uh for improvement projects and it follows the min Minnesota state statute 429. Uh historically this has been 50% of the project cost for street and storm sewer for new water main installation. The policy is 100% of that would be assessed. There are hardship hardship deferrals available for senior citizens, disabled persons memberships members of the National Guard and military reserve members. Payment period for assessments is typically 20 years. Additional information about um assessments, payment options, deferrals, folks can contact Brian Graham, the finance director. So for the islands area, we're looking at a unit rate assessment of approximately $6,500. For Rididgewood Cove, we'd be looking at uh again two options. Without water main, the reclamation project, um the unit rate assessment would be $13,300 per unit for a street reconstruction with water mane. So again, the the street and storm would be assessed at 50%, the water mane would be 100%, the street portion of that would be 18,800 per unit and 15,500 per unit for the water portion of that cost. I have a little asterisk by the per unit costs on there. Past presidents had been to um cap assessments for street and storm at approximately $10,000. Um, so that would be something that the council could weigh in on reducing those costs overall. >> And that's good to emphasize that's the for the street and storm. We haven't done a water assessment in 20 years here. So >> yeah. When's the last time we >> Maple Crest like 20 years ago? So and that was fully 100% assessed to the residents. >> Do you know how much that was back then? I was going to say the street was about 8,000 and the water was like 11,000 or so. It's like they got like a 1920 $20,000 assessment. >> Okay. >> Uh so public engagement for the islands area. We had a neighborhood meeting tonight just prior to the council meeting. Got a lot of good attendance. I believe had a nice note here. Um there were 26 residents who attended representing 19 properties in that area. Um generally they know their streets are in rough shape. It seemed like that was a lot of the feedback that they're excited to have some new pave roads. Um definitely a lot of good questions about what the project scope would be and and things like that. Um drainage concerns they had was generally what I heard. Uh Rididgewood Cove neighborhood meeting was held on August 26th. uh shared the same information that was in this slide. Um appendix E of the feasibility report uh is feedback that we received from residents. We had seven residents who provided feedback after the meeting. Um and then we had two residents who uh provided feedback, but it was after the final report. Um so that was included um uh to members of the council tonight. and we're looking for um the staff, city staff is looking for direction from the council on how to proceed with Rididgewood Cove and um have future discussion on the water man. So looking at schedule um again we had the neighborhood meeting for Ridgewood Cove on August 26th. Neighborhood meeting for the islands was tonight prior to the council meeting. Um, tonight is the council meeting receiving the physibility report and if the council decides to move forward and order the public hearing, we anticipate that being on a October 5th. Um, if the project moves forward at that point, we'd look for opening bids um March of next year and the um assessment hearings would be approximately April construction, June to September of 2027, sometime during that time frame. it would likely not be that entire time frame for construction uh for the islands area. Uh Bridgewood Cove is discussion and depending on what the council wants to move forward with on what timeline they would like to move forward with. >> That's the end of my presentation. Happy to answer any questions. Does anyone have any questions? >> Sure. Um, so I've I've heard incidotally about uh drainage issues on the island as well. Um, is there anything we do differently with this street reclamation project to address that or I guess is there anything we can do? >> Uh, so the streets have degraded over time. Um, I'm not sure that you could tell where the existing crown was. Some streets drain one way, some streets drain the other way. we would try to at least maintain a a consistent crown or cross slope along the streets. So, talking about service drainage improvements that we can do um in addition to the storm sewer, there is one area where we're looking at potentially adding some curb to help convey drainage to some storm sewer. Um there is some storm sewer out there. So, it's trying to get the [clears throat] water where it needs to go. >> Okay. One issue out there um is that there's the driveways are so tight, the houses are packed so tight, there's not a lot of room for drainage in between. So trying to find where we can discharge drainage as it's coming, you know, down that road to a central location is hard to do, you know, especially with the wershed, not wanting just to, you know, dump just, you know, pure storm water into the lake right away, you know, without having a um either a pond area to catch it or or some catch. It was very hard to find an area where you could get in between and you know and find something like that is the other issue out there cuz if you drive down some of the roads it's driveway driveway driveway driveway driveway there's nothing in between them. So that is the other challenge that we're having out there. So >> okay. Yeah. I was just more concerned that uh we have this beautiful new uh street out there only to have it uh cracked up in a couple years because of uh you know water sitting there and freezing and melting on the on that. But if we're looking at that, >> yeah, the nice thing is everything does kind of it is kind of a downhill slope to where we need it to get to. So right now, I mean, most of the water is draining down towards I believe it's Welssley and that way out uh by Douglas Park. So everything will kind of, you know, maintain that area through there. Um the upper area maintained. There is a drainage area on Cedar Point that comes down between a couple houses that we're looking to add that curving to and stuff like that which will, you know, remain and be functional through there. So, >> awesome. Thank you. Um and then for the water man, um do we know has there been any interest expressed by any of the residents on that street to hook up to the water main if we did put it in or >> I would say that um from the feedback we we saw there's definitely some folks that are interested in eventually hooking up. I don't know that I heard from someone that's gung-ho to hook up day one. Um, but the there are definitely a couple folks on there that would hook up at some point in time in the future, but there was a varied feedback on there and um yeah, it was nice that we got a lot of folks giving feedback on the project. >> Good. Thank you. >> Are there any residents here about this project that want to say anything? Okay, you can come to the podium. Just state your name and address one, right? >> Appreciate the opportunity to talk. >> Um, my name is Larry Osmanson. Wife's name is Susan Osmanson. We moved into Ridgewood Cove in 1978. >> We've been here a while. Mhm. >> And u raised our children there. The schools were really good. And uh after after graduated school, my one daughter moved on to Highway State and graduated from there and she went to work for principal group and uh they sent her back to get her master's degree at Drake and now she's an executive at uh at the principal group. So there's good things that happened from people that that live on that street. But uh we've uh we're retired of course and uh Sue and I we live on our part part earn a savings like most people do and um I talked to a lot of people on our street and um I have not been able to find a broad view of the water being put in there. I have not found one person that other than well excuse me only one that did have thoughts of hooking up to that they're all concerned about the cost and uh you us living on our history of work and that but uh to be able to cover the cost of the the water being put in there is uh probably more than we can handle. Uh, a new road sounds very good to me and the people that I talk to uh because our our road has gone downhill. Both the downhill good and downhill bad. And uh and uh we do definitely do need some work on our road. There's no doubt about it. I uh drone drilled weld when we first built the house. I have yet to have a problem with it in all those years. Same way the same well. The only thing they did is one time put some powers down to blow it up to kind of clean it up. Otherwise, we've had nothing go wrong with it. I haven't run across a lot of people that have had problems with the wealth. So, um, everybody has concerns. Not so much concerns on the road because it's really in bad shape, but, uh, the cost of the project with the with the water has made him very nervous. And uh I know that you have to move on in world but uh sometimes you have it's tough to do and and a lot of people like they haven't had anybody say they didn't like the well they they either accepted it or or were happy with it. So that's kind of what I've got to say and I've been talking to quite a few people on Redwoods Cove and I kind of get the same feeling from the majority of them and that's where we're at now and we're hoping that we can put together some kind of program that's costly enough that [cough and clears throat] that the people that live on Rididgewood Cove can meet those requirements. So that's where I'm coming from and some of the people in Ridgewood Cove. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um I [clears throat] know for the roads we did a study to see the benefit of it. Can you do that for water mains? Is that >> Yes. Yeah. Alice and I were just talking about that what [clears throat] two days ago >> I think. Um or yesterday maybe. Um yeah. So we can do a benefit analysis for uh for for this type of project for water only. Yeah. What does council think of that idea to see what the benefit would be versus having residents pay the 100% similar to what we've done with the roads as the costs continue to grow associated with it? >> I think that makes sense gentlemen. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Um what we could do if if I may um we could have a work session sometime in the near future to talk about water assessments. You know, we haven't had one for 20 years. Um, and if there's a bunch of different options, a different bunch of different things we can brainstorm and talk about. So, I think I can't remember what the last benefit appraisal was. Was it around $15,000? >> I think it was in that neighborhood. Yes, >> something like that. Just keep that in mind, too. So, um, but that is an option. We we're kind of seeing if there were other vendors cuz I know the the vendor that we use is always use usually very busy. Um, and we'd like to get a couple quotes for it. So, we could probably work sessions are pretty full. So maybe October we have the second meeting October or the meeting in November something like that. This project is you know probably a 20 28 project I think. I don't know. Um the cost of it is probably would push it up push the maintenance cost in 2027 up above probably what we what we could do. So um I think Brian's nodding his head. Yeah. So [laughter] >> I was just going to chime in. I mean I guess what's the timeline or direction? Obviously the island project we're moving forward with and it needs to be uh you know public hearings and other stuff per the timeline but is it just further discussions and figuring out more information like a water main benefit for the Redude Cove you know properties and individuals. So there's nothing timesensitive I guess on Red Ridge Cove. Correct. I mean if we're not >> No, I don't think so. I don't I don't unless there's an appetite to do it in 2027 which I don't I don't know. I don't I'm not hearing that right now but um I don't know. Um if I may. Um so the the recommended action for this evening is to accept the feasibility report and then um the request is to call the public hearing for what we're calling the 2027 street improvement project which which is for the island area only. So we've parsed out at this point we would we're recommending that we parse out Ridgewood Cove. I think council gave good direction at the outset of this project to include Bridgewood Cove in the feasibility report so we can start talking numbers and give us that time frame for a potential 2028 project and have that good discussion about water man. So that's what we're looking at this evening. >> Do you know off the top of your head Jasper, do we have any ordinances against dual systems? So, can somebody keep their well if they are hooked up to city water? >> Uh, [snorts] so the way I understand it is they can keep their well if they're using it for irrigation but not potable um purposes because can't have those kind of mixed. You have back backflow prevention and things like that. So once they hook up to city water then their their system or their house is on city water only. >> Okay. >> But they still could use their well if they have one for irrigation. >> Correct. Yep. Do we have a sense of how much a well costs to drill if you have a failed uh personal well? >> It it we've looked into this. I know Woodland Cove has drilled a few uh wells um recently using I think Stadola. So, we kind of know those numbers. Those are maybe a little bit bigger than the uh residential, but they have gone up significantly in price. I don't know if Gary's >> 15 to 25,000 depending on where you're at. >> Was 12. >> Yeah. Thank you. Oh, there's a gentleman. [clears throat] >> Thank you. >> Chris Johnson, 5520 Ridgewood Cove. And I appreciate the council's conversation about this and being thoughtful because the thing about this project that strikes me the most is this is a 30-year decision. And so I think it really is something and it's hard when you're facing an assessment or a bill that's coming up, but it is a 30-year decision that we're making for current residents and also for future residents about their ability to have um general water. I think the cost is the the main beh barrier as I you know hear from other residents and read their their comments. I've indicated in my letter that cautiously supportive of it depending upon those kinds of things because I do see uh the benefit. Um, we replaced we had to replace our well about 10 years or so ago and um, it was hard to find a location on our property to drill that well because of all the requirements and restrictions. And so I think those are things that in my mind I say, well, what happens, you know, if and uh, you know, something comes up in 15 years and now you're having difficulty uh, with a well. Um, I think the ability to to hook up when you're ready is good. Our well is is good. Now, we've spent lots of thousands of dollars getting a filtration system in our house that gets rid of the iron and everything else. And we also have a little arsenic in the water, too, we have to get rid of also. So, those are factors why I say, gee, um, are we good right now? Yeah, but it's a 30-year decision. So, I appreciate the council's um thoughtfulness about about looking at this uh project. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Any other comments from council on either the islands or the ridge view? >> Okay. Um, so we'll bring back a discussion point for the October work session on the water >> water. Yeah, I have it as a water assessment discussion on October 19th at the work session. >> Okay. All right. And then so we will need two resolutions. one for receiving the feasibility report for the proposed 2027 street improvement project and then one to call the public hearing for the proposed 2027 street improvement project. >> Have a motion or two motions. >> I'll make both motions. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor signify with I. >> I. >> All those opposed. Motion passes 40. All right. Next we have a resolution approving rear yard setback variance at 4246 Creekide Way. I believe that's David. >> Yeah. Uh thank you uh mayor and members of council. This is a rear yard setback variance uh from the required for this specific lot. The rear yard setback requirement is 20 ft. Um there is an as you'll see from the staff report the deck has already been built and it was discovered that the deck's at 19.5 ft. Um, so if if the variance were approved, it would allow the existing uh deck to remain in place. Um, as pointed out in the staff report, the history of of the deck um the deck permit was pulled back in 2021. Um, and it was issued. There was a footing footing inspection that was passed on that deck in May of 2021. Um but the city never uh did a final inspection on that deck that deck um and nor was one ever requested. Um so fast forward now to 2026 and why we're here. Um uh there was uh some work being done on a retaining wall on the property and it was brought to the city's attention that potentially it would need a permit. So as we do in those situations, we would send an inspector, a building inspector out to see if if uh indeed the retaining wall needed a permit or not. it was determined that it needed a permit. Um, upon further investigation, of course, we looked to see if a permit was pulled and one wasn't, and we discovered that the deck had not been finaled out, and that's when we discovered that the deck was indeed larger than what it uh was originally proposed. Um, so the option was to prove uh that the deck did conform. Uh, the the applicant went and got a survey done and discovered that it was at the 19.5 ft. Um so one of the options in this sit situation would be to apply for a variance which the applicant has done. Um it did go before the planning commission at their August 24th meeting. They held a public hearing ultimately uh recommended approval of the variance with a 50 vote uh at their October 24th meeting. Um so we have a resolution in your packet with the background information. Uh I can stand for any questions the council has. Um, just for clarity, the deck was not built as the original permit. Correct. >> Correct. >> Were there any comments from the neighbor? >> Yeah, I attended that meeting and um there the whole neighborhood was there supporting these people. So, >> very positive. Yeah. >> Great. So, I have an issue with this. [cough] This is Woodland Cove. It's a planned unit development. [clears throat] There are setbacks. There are rules. There are reasons why. Um I don't know if David, you want to pull up the picture of the backyard. Or Jasper, if you can see here, give me a second here. It'll take me a minute. >> That's fine. Um a picture of it if you want to pass it around. I >> That's fine. I've seen it. So [laughter] like to see it. Can I see it, please? They ask for [snorts] and the whole thing isn't over five or six inches. It's just that one [laughter] northwest corner. My back property line angles to the north >> and it's just one corner that's over >> that six. Yeah. the um yes, it's 6 in. It was also not built according to the original permit. They knew when they started it that it needed to comply. In fact, their original plan, I believe in 2021, was much larger and then they found out they needed to get a variance for it. So then they redid the permit and made it smaller and then built it not the size on the original permit. Um there's also deck boxes on it that extend over. Correct. >> Just planted boxes. Just >> the builder put the posts. The deck isn't canon levered over the footings. The city came out, inspected the footings, didn't build a deck, so I don't know all of this. And I think they centered the posts directly on the footings that were approved signed up by the city. >> And those aren't the posts. Those are temporary. >> Yeah. The temporary if I can approach again. >> I mean, this is before the posts were removed. And we didn't go over. We hugged it. That's just a facial board. >> And when this the gentleman came out to look at it, he didn't even know if it was over. He asked my ladder. Then he measured with a tape measure. >> And I didn't know. I asked him to come out. Yes, please inspect it and close it out and it was still open [snorts] at the hearing. Uh, we didn't get an answer as to why the contractor didn't go for a final, you know, approval. So, that was, you know, nobody knows why that wasn't checked, you know, at the end, but Well, I mean the it's a planned unit development. It's supposed to be a certain size. It's not. We have the rules for to be complied with. Um if this had been inspected when it was built, it would have been brought forward then. Instead, they never [clears throat] closed it out. They didn't get a permit for the retaining wall. It was the city was notified about it and then a permit had to be pulled for that which is also not closed out yet. Correct. >> And there there are guidelines and rules for a reason. >> We're asked to halt everything. >> We haven't been able to >> I wanted to come out and look at it and I want to get it done so we can sell this house without having any open permits or any issues. I didn't know that permit wasn't closed. Uh Nicholas said that was still opened. Yes. The lady in Trista said she's never issued a permit for a retaining wall. I didn't know we needed one. And then I guess when the walls over 4 ft, you have to have one. Didn't know that. And I am replacing retaining wall that was deteriorating because of water issues. So that's costing me a lot of money to replace wall that was already there. And that's why these footings had to be taken out because I don't know what's going on with water behind my house that everything's falling apart. And I know there wasn't any intent to exceed part of the property set back five or six inches. That wasn't intentional. We just put posts couple of [clears throat] footings that were approved by the city and I just I didn't even know we should be concerned about five or six inches. I did we wanted a bigger deck. You guys said no. So we did that. We went thinking about inches. [clears throat] Yeah, I think this is much you do about nothing. It's 6 in and the neighbors are all in favor of you're not trying to build a giant deck and you were fixing something that was deteriorating. And I and I hear you. I hear you about there's rules and there's ordinances. Um but this isn't like things we faced in the past where someone's just trying to do their own thing and they don't care about the city. I I thank you. >> [laughter] >> I think your neighbors are happy. Everyone's happy it's 6 in. We've looked at things much worse than this. It's just my opinion. We have a bigger fish to fry than 6 in on a deck and flower boxes, but that's just me. Any other comments? >> Is there a motion to approve the variance request? >> So moved. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> All those in favor signify with I. >> I. >> All those opposed? Nay. Motion passes 3-1. All right. Next, we have the budget approvals for 2027. Yes, >> Brian. >> Thank you, Madame Mayor and Council. So these items start on page 111 in the packet and this is the uh first one is the adoption of the uh 2027 plumary levy which is our our maximum or levy or um that we can set um and this was discussed back at the um August 3rd council meeting and [clears throat] uh this is being brought back tonight. It's uh on page uh 112 the total levy and it's got all the different components. There's uh 8,758365 which um as per the memo it's about an 11.87% increase. Um a lot of that is for um I mean several things capital equipment roads general fund to you know and then as well as some additional debt levy for um some of the road projects and future ones like we're doing here you know doing a combination of cash uh levies as well as um as as debt issuances. So, um I don't know if I we're just probably going to turn it over to council and if there's any other questions on the preliminary levy. Obviously, we'll be working on the the budget and levy through um you know October, November, December till the final levies done. Um we'll be bringing the uh the enterprise funds, water, sewer um discussions in uh at the October, November work session. So, we'll have those to discuss also. But this would be uh setting that uh initial levy and uh sending that down to uh Henman County to uh to be able to include in the their uh truth and taxation or their public comment and notices that'll go out in November for uh um you know included with the school and county levy. So, >> okay. Does anyone have any questions? Um, sorry. And just to reiterate the point we had, we're still looking at about an 8% if for year-toear for property owners, right? There's there's a few percent that was uh attributable to growth. >> Yeah. So, the growth Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. There's basically been about 3% growth of new homes. Obviously, we've been adding about 100 homes a year. So, of that, you know, 11 or so percent, really 3%'s taken, you know, by you know, the new the growth covers it. And really the increase to existing properties like that's more about [clears throat] an 8% increase. Correct. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions for Brian? >> All right. There's no more questions. If we can get a motion to adopt the uh 2027 preliminary levy. >> So moved. >> Is there a second? >> Second. All those in favor signify with I. I. >> Motion passes 40. Next, we will discuss the debt levy. >> Yep. So, this is an item that the uh I guess the county I've heard of the statute uh has us do every year if we're not going to levy. Statute allows for us to levy 5% of our principal interest or bond payments. And we've usually had uh historically a um healthy enough fund balances in our debt funds and have planned I guess well enough to be able to levy at 100% instead. And so we need to adopt this resolution basically that says we're going to adopt at a little less than that's a histo or that's allowed by statute for by for municipalities. Um, and I got the note in there if we were going to, you know, levy that additional 5% it could be about another 70,000. But by adopting this resolution, we're uh stating that we're we're not going to do that and and adopt a little lower debt levies than we could uh I guess legally or statutoily do. So >> any [clears throat] questions hearing? None. Is there a motion to approve the debt levy of 100%. >> So moved. >> Is there a second? Second. All those in favor signify with I. I. >> Motion passes. Four up. And Brian, we have another one. >> The last item, the three of three of the trifecta, I guess. And this is I don't know whether you look at the easiest one or is it's more I guess logistics. Uh um so we have to set a date for a public comment on our budget and levy. Um sometime after November 24th and before the end of the year to be able to set our final levy. So, our one uh city council member meeting on the docket right now is is December 7th and um the meeting has to be held after 6 p.m. which our our regular meeting is at 6:30. So, I guess this uh would be looking for a motion to approve selecting December 7th of 2026 at 6:30 p.m. is the public comment date for discussion on the 2027 budget and tax levy to be adopted that evening. >> Peter, are you going to be here? >> I'm going to be there. [laughter] All right. Um, is everybody good with that date? >> Y. >> All right. Is there a motion? >> So moved. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All right. All those in favor signify with I. >> I. >> Motion passes 40 O. All right. Next we have Jasper with the mound fire contract notice. >> Yes. Uh, Madame Mayor, members of council, we uh discussed this at the last meeting's work session and and what you have in your p packet is a uh a letter that meets the requirements of giving notice to the city of Mound that we'd like to renegotiate our fire service agreement with them uh throughout 2027 um to be effective uh 2028, January 1st of 2028. So, that letter's in there. If approved tonight, I would then um deliver that letter to the city of Mound and then likely uh schedule some meetings in 2027 uh to start talking about the contract. I'll stand for any questions. >> So, I take it there hasn't been any forthcoming information. This is uh the start of asking, >> correct? No, there there's an offer and we're kind of going back and forth on scheduling for not necessarily a fire advisory meeting, but a just a meeting where I think mound staff will come and answer questions from the the city of Minatrista. So, which is interesting because I believe in the contract there's language that says if there's budget questions, we'll have a meeting in September. We've requested it, but that request isn't hasn't been granted. So, >> so M is not following the terms of the current contract, >> which is most disappointing, actually. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Um, I don't have any issues with the letter. Obviously, we need to re-evaluate what's going on there. >> Yeah, >> agreed. >> That was very diplomatic. [laughter] >> All right. Uh, do we have do we need a motion then or just tell you to >> Yeah, a motion would be great. >> Okay, we get a motion to approve sending the fire service contract negotiations letter. >> So moved. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All right. All those in favor signify with I. >> I. [clears throat] >> Motion passes. 4. >> All right. And next we have the operation of recreational vehicles on private property ordinance. >> Yes. Uh, Madame Mayor, members of council, this, uh, I believe will be the culmination of multiple meetings talking about the operation of recreational vehicles on private property. Uh, the two changes that you see in the packet that are included in the ordinance uh, are included in section E. Um, it now allows recreational vehicles to be operated no closer than 220 ft from a primary structure of a any neighboring parcel. That's a change from 300 ft from the property line. And then section G is a new section that establishes the ability for the recreational vehicle to operate on private property 1 acre in size or less for a period less than 15 minutes within any 60inut period. Um so those are the two changes you have the ordinance in here and um uh the language is a little different than what I just read out in the ordinance but you can see in the ordinance itself what the what the actual we used um council member governous language in there. So that's going to be memorialized if if uh if um if approved tonight. So and then just a note once this is published in the paper which it it could be this week if approved tonight it goes into effect 7 days after publication. >> So I will stand for any questions. >> Um when we change the ordinance we usually have another thing where we just publish it by title and that are are we printing the whole thing in the paper or just because it's smaller or >> Yes. So generally if it's less than one page um then we don't do the title and summary. >> Okay. >> So >> does anybody have any questions on the ordinance change? >> No. >> Is there a motion to approve it? >> So moved. >> Thank you, Miss Lacy. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Governor. All those in favor signify with I. I. >> Motion passes 40. >> [gasps] >> All right, that concludes our business items. Uh, moving on to administrative items. >> Yes, I can kind of run through uh future agenda items. So, we have a a few on the docket here. So, on on the 21st of September at the work session, we're going to be talking about the city council meeting day discussion. Uh, that's to potentially move the city council meeting day from the 1st and 3rd Monday to the 1st and third Tuesday. Um then we also have um I'll be providing an update on the St. Bonafacious Minitista Fire Partnership. Uh we had a meeting um two days ago or what day is it today? Wednesday. Yeah. Um yeah, Tuesday we had a meeting uh talking about that with uh um the city administrator in St. Bonafacious and then the fire chief. So I think we have a good plan. Uh we're going to propose it to city council. What we need for direction is who's going to be uh the representatives. I believe we probably already know that, but we just need to confirm it. Um, and then also in the work session, we're going to talk about a facility use policy and review that. Uh, that's somewhat associated with the League of Women Voters. Um, that's [laughter] right. Uh, just just we don't we don't have a policy on the book that kind of gives guidance on who can use facilities when and what the process is. So, all that does is establish that policy. Um, and then we will be on October 5th at the work session. We will be talking about the nuisance property. he will be providing an update on that um and see which direction city council wants to go as far as um you know if there's enough progress being made and if we want to proceed with abatement and then also at the regular meeting you're going to um a work session item we talked about previously itron software update um there will be something on the regular meeting for that that's all I have on future agenda items >> I I do need a liaison for the September 28th planning commission meeting >> [clears throat] >> I think I could make that. >> Okay, great. Thank you. >> Perfect. Thank you, Claudia. All right, any other um staff update, staff reports? >> I was just going to provide a brief update on just monthly billing and and kind of how that's going. It's been pretty uh been, I'd say, fairly successful. We've gotten I don't know if Brian, you have the the count on the calls. I know we're tracking calls and all that. Um but we can maybe provide that at the next meeting. Um but we have been getting a lot of calls and um as you've noticed there probably in claims there's been some um refunds. Some of those are related to people double paying on their bill with you know the monthly and the and then there's then some actual like um uh >> final bills >> final bills. Yep. People get people moving out and moving in that type of thing. So u but I I'd say you know the team has done a really good job of the transition and uh it has been quite active as far as people with questions. Um if anybody is emailing or calling city council, we have a really good website web page. Um if you go to our website, the landing page, there's a big, you know, alert. If you actually click on that to view the page, there's all kinds of information about utility billing. So if you do have residents that have questions, we point them there. Feel free to point them there as well. So but I think it's uh hopefully we're on the downward trend of um you know, questions and interactions uh regarding the monthly billing transition. So we we'll see. I think as um water usage goes down, we'll probably hear see a little bit less activity, too. >> I was going to ask about that. I know when we set the flat fee for the treatment plant um that's on the bill, it's rolled into your water usage. Would it help with calls if that was a separate line item instead of rolled into the monthly amount? Because it it makes your water bill look substantially higher than it would be if that was a separate line item. >> Oh, the base three versus the base. Yeah, we'd have to look into that how that could be potentially broken out. I mean, I think people are understanding that the base fees has been obviously, you know, increased and that's obvious, you know, to be able to get some, you know, steady revenue because obviously, you know, the it can fluctuate with usage and um that's probably been the the between the transition and the, you know, the the August where they're finishing paying their quarterly bill, you know, on the August 15th and then the monthly bill for July, August 20th, that was probably the most questions. And then the second one's more been uh just irrigation related. Well, you know, if you use 40,000 in a month, you're going to get a big bill. [laughter] You know, whether the base fees broken out or not, but it's something we could, I guess, yeah, look look into if that can be pulled out or or how that could be potentially shown differently, I guess, right? >> Yeah. Just to make it clearer that this is the base fee and this what you're actually using and spending on the water per month. It might translate better to what our listed rates are and stop some a couple of the calls. Yeah, we could look at that with the 2027 fee schedule. We could split that out if we if we want to. >> Yeah, I'll look at the logistics with >> B. I don't know if it's just like a line item that you just move it like any other like a sewer or a storm or something like that. >> Okay. Yeah. >> And we'll let everybody know. We I think we have a new record holder for the most water used in one month. We had one user used 1.9 million gallons. So, >> my god. >> Oh my gosh. >> Tell me there was a leak and >> it wasn't my HOA. Um well um [laughter] neither of those things I think are true. It sounds like they were it was it was a Woodland Cove HOA pond and it was they were filling the pond um because the pond was empty with for the irrigation. So they knew what they were doing. Um >> so our income is high for water then. [laughter] >> It's it's probably trending that way. Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's definitely Yeah. I think people are >> Wow. starting to learn from some of the the usage and the and the rates and you know obviously hopefully modify their behaviors and obviously going into fall it should naturally just start going down but we can remember for next spring summer as well. So >> they'll likely be putting a well in um in the offse I believe. So [clears throat] um but if you think about that that's that's five of the Kings Point water towers full of water. >> Wow. >> I did try to convince them not to put the well in. We won't mind selling the water when we're ready. [laughter] Holy cow. >> But the good thing and kudos to Gary and his his folks is that we didn't run into any issues with water supply or you know. So, um that's good. So, we were able to sell that much probably excess water and not have any issues. So, that's a good thing. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> That's all I have. >> That's Wow. That's a lot of water. Holy cow. Um any other staff reports? All right. Um, >> I should have made this comment, but I make one added comment. >> Sure. >> I talked to everyone that lived there except for two people. >> Okay. >> None. That they would hook up water to the house. >> Zero. >> Okay. All right. Good to know. >> Good evening. [laughter] Thank [snorts] you for allowing that. >> Sure. >> Of course. >> Um, council reports. Um, many have anything? >> Well, of course, I attended the employee compensation meeting with you. Um, and the, uh, planning commission, uh, which we just talked about, and then the Pioneer Sarah Creek watershed meeting, and, uh, Jasper's working out to have a presentation on the whales um, project. uh hopefully at the next meeting. So uh yeah, that'll be exciting cuz went very well. >> Good. >> That's about it. >> Excellent. All right. Um just as Peter said, attended the personnel committee and then Jasper, Lisa, and myself are determining whether we will have a meeting with mound about the fire bill for next year. All right. Anything else? All right. With that, is there a motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor signify with I. >> I. Motion passes 40 and we are adjourned.