Um, let me call the meeting to order. Uh, this is a work session and during our work sessions, it's basically a council discussion. We don't take um comments or input from the public, but I'm glad you're here. You can listen in. You can hear what we have to say. Uh, there's one it we have a number of items on our um first I'll start out with um reminding everyone to turn your cell phones on silent or in airplane mode so they don't disrupt the meeting. And also um I'll start out with introductions. I'm Lisa Whan. I'm the mayor. And to my left, our council members, Peter Vickery, Claudia Lacy, Brian Govern, and then Allison Falsky is our city engineer with WSB. And then Gary Peters is our director of public works. And then on my left we on my right, we have Jasper Krugal, our city administrator. Brian Grim is our finance director. And then way on the end, we have um our police chief Craig Squires. We have a number of items on our agenda. There's one item um number. So, we have a levy discussion. Brian will take that. Then we have a water treatment plant meeting update and Adam is here for that. Welcome back. And then, uh, we have a police workout on duty policy discussion. What I'd like to ask the council is if we could move that, um, two options. We move it to another work session. I know Kathleen wanted to be here and wanted some input on that and she's unable to be here today. Or else uh, we can also move it to the um, uh, personnel committee. Would you like option one or option two or or leave it on the agenda? Three options. Too many options. >> I would go option two. Okay. >> Send it to the personnel committee and then bring it back. >> Sounds good. >> All right. That's what we'll do. Um and then we have just a day discussion and then miscellaneous drainage issues update. So, we have a lot to talk about in about uh 56 minutes. All right, with that um levy discussion, Brian. >> Yes, madame mayor and councel. I think I have 10 12 slides, so it should be relatively brief summarizing what was in your packet. Um so, this is obviously our first um chance looking ahead to 2026 on the uh the financial for the levy and budget for next year. um staff has been working on this for a couple few months here and the budget committee and um yeah they'll have a PowerPoint that'll summarize what was included in the in um for your documents to review. What we're looking at today is the deadline to certify the levy as it is every year is basically the end of September, September 30th. And um just a reminder that the preliminary levy that's approved at least sometime in September um is a maximum amount you know but it can be lowered by the council or kept the same um in December but it cannot be increased from what we set here um over the next couple of few meetings here. So as as far as a timeline um initial meeting today um we'll discuss at subsequent work sessions you know next one would be on August 18th as needed and then we have a couple meetings in um September that Wednesday September 3rd I think that's with Labor Day in there um and then uh Monday September 15th we can um adopt our preliminary levy by that deadline. Some of the items we obviously look at every year is the uh first and foremost is the city's financial stability. Making sure that um we have enough fund balance, but also balancing again against what we levy um obviously to our residents. Um we look each year at our um CIP equipment plan to make sure we um you know our squads and our public works equipment and technology is all um kept up to date and um and functioning you know well. uh we monitor our service levels, make sure we have enough police, public works, enough, you know, um staff to um provide good customer service to our residents. And then lastly, one of the the biggest ones probably in the last 10 12 years we've really made a push on is the the pavement management plan and getting a lot more um getting our roads done and keeping those um up to date and um in good shape. slide here or I guess the first more financial slide here um deals with the um different components of the levy and um what we all I guess um levy dollars for um you can see there broken up by the you know the general fund which is our main operations that first component about 5.7 million our debt levies about 1.25 25 million there and that's is is anywhere from our facilities here to roads to um equipment certificates there. Uh the road maintenance dollars you can see um when the trend there we we had a big road project we did in 2023. So that's where you can see that went down but really it just shifted to the the debt levy there versus um you know cash levy and then we levy a little bit of um dollars um in cash for our um capital improvement plan or equipment. So you can see it's um about a $700,000 difference over you know between 2025 to 2026 there. And I'll talk about that a little more in the next couple slides. Here's um trying to give a quick synopsis of you know a few main factors we look at um our tax levy. You can see the trend for the last um about five six years there. um the 21 through 25 actual and then 2026 proposed. Um you can see our um we've used some surplus dollars in the past several years to help keep our levy a little bit, you know, lower. Um it's been a little bit of fluctuation in there. Um 2023 um we had some big um the building permits for the apartments and the machining tunes um project. So that was where we we actually put some money back into the general fund, but then we've, you know, spent down some of that over the years, too. You can see. And then the main thing we always look at or one of the main items we look at is trying to keep a a reserve that's at a reasonable level and that uh 40% they're in 2026. That's pretty much what our um our policy is as the council to keep that at 40% or higher. So slide >> here's probably what the main thing everyone wants to see I guess is how does it affect um my um property I guess as far as a residential property. And there's a few different um examples there. Um uh and it just is make some assumptions that um when I talking with Henipan County assessors the the average property is going to go up about 4% between 2025 and 2026 or on existing properties. Obviously some will go up more some will go less lakeshore versus you know not lakes shore and all those different factors but when you look at on average um that's what will happen. um the levy increases just you know I was referenced with about 10% 700,000 roughly and um we had about 3% growth in the city so that helps offset and um helps keep our tax rate a little lower that growth. So, um, uh, you can see on a $450,650,000, $850,000 home, you have what was paid in 25 versus what's projected in 26 based on this initial um, projection here. And see, on an annual amount, it's about 67 to $150 um, difference. Um, so basically about $6 to 12 a month on average. So questions there. Um just um wanted to give a couple examples of basically where your property tax money goes in the current year. Um the median value home is about $650,000 in Minitrista. So for for West Tonka school district, um uh you can see the percentages there. The the city is um Whoops, when I had one. Let me back up. Um >> couple back as this one. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Sorry about that. You >> um get back to where it was. So the um the green shade is the city's portion. So that's going to in both these examples. I guess I sort of gave a sneak peek there. It's projected to be about that little over $1,400. Um the blue shade is the Hannib County. um they're the biggest share of what um um is on your property tax bill. They're about, you know, a little over 2500, about 40% of the tax bill. And then the school district is the red um you know, 1948. And then um you know, the miscellaneous is more your um the other stuff that the um Three Rivers Park District and and those type of items. So you can see in that um scenario um it's basically about 22% of uh money goes to the uh uh city. And then here's just an example of more if you live out in Hunter Crest um the uh uh school district um has a little more of a a portion out there. So um changes a little bit but basically the city's portion stays in that run 20% range the total tax bill. Um so I guess just uh last couple slides here just um some assumptions and commitments. So um our the labor contracts are settled for 2026. So I it's the last year of a three-year contract of 24 256. So those numbers are are set as well as the the pay plan for non-un employees. So there shouldn't be any real variability there. Um and then um as far as like the some of the funding sources for the uh equipment is to use a cash levy with a little bit of equipment certificate that we're looking at doing some bonding later in 25 early in 26 in conjunction with the uh the water infrastructure the water treatment plan. So, >> couple other items, the um payment management plan, still looking at or bumping that up a little bit to 625,000 cash levy and then we're still paying on the um 2023 project we did, you know, um a couple few years ago. So, um basically we're levying almost about a million dollars$ 975 for for road projects if you look at current, you know, road um activity. And then I I referenced earlier keeping that fund balance at 40% per our policy and the state auditor you recommends keeping it between 35 and 50% also about six months worth of >> Ryan. Do you have a projection as to what it will be at the end of this year our our fund balance? >> Yeah, I think it was like 42% or something. And then and then basically with our the you know the >> even with our uh permits being less >> our permits for 25 aren't too bad. >> We've had to make some assumptions for 26 to bring permit revenue down a little bit but then we'll have some other revenue associated for the general fund with the uh the infrastructure projects some admin fees and stuff. So, so, but yeah, we have taken that into account that the building permit revenue 25 should come in pretty good, but 26 will probably be lower or most likely will be lower based >> and we'll still be able to be at the 40% fund balance. >> I think you're at I think it was at 41, I believe. >> Yeah. At the end of 26. >> At the end of 2016, >> it was 40. It was basically 40. >> Okay. Okay. All right. And um so yeah, I guess just in summary um you know, we're looking to um you know, basically go over this initial um uh documents that were in the pack and answer any questions for council or get direction um so we can meet that you know deadline for setting that ceiling of the preliminary levy so that the res residents can get their um statements in November and their preliminary tax statements before the public comment in December. um you know obviously yeah looking for feedback and it encompasses you know obviously roads general fund equipment and we'll obviously keep working on it through the fall no matter what we set you know in September because there's things that can happen in the last few months of the year that can um you know change the projections >> right >> only question I had was a uh and I think you just mentioned it that admin fee under revenue >> y >> what is that um what does that entail? So that um per um what we pass practice and you know we might even don't if it's policy at all these past practices but for um big projects like when we do road projects or projected water treatment plant we've usually taken up to you know percent and a half or 2% of that um >> cost >> cost you know for like the water treatment plants projected at you know 20 millionish. We'll see how the you know the bids come in. Um, but if you take a percent and a half or 2% of of that, you basically have I think it's projected, you know, 350,000 just as a a safe revenue um option or or projection in there. And and that's the philosophy behind that is that there's going to be a lot of um time by general fund employees spent on those different projects, you know, for whether it's water or roads. So to sort of almost reimburse, you know, the general fund for for that, you know, putting a lot of time into the, you know, those specific infrastructure projects. >> Okay. So it's basically money from the water bond that's treated as revenue to pay for the city staff time that's going to go towards that project. >> Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So it's sort of a one-time thing. So that's where, you know, the I think the mayor was referencing the building permit revenue is most likely going to be lower. So, we do have this onetime fee and then hoping again that 2027 we'll have more lots ready to be or you know even >> more housing >> more housing ready to be built on on uh >> but if not then we have to take a look at that. >> That might be a big hit. >> So, >> good deal. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> That kind of touched on my question. It sounds like you're not expecting a lot of building permits this coming year in 2026 or what are you factoring in on? Yeah. And I think Yeah. And I don't know if David would even want to chime in a bit, but I think just based on the um stock of >> current availability of >> lots, I mean, Woodland Cove's getting closer to built out or >> Yeah, I I can give a little update by the by the end of 2025, start of 2026. We're estimating there'll be about probably 35 to 50 homes available to be built in 2026 in Woodland Cove. So, um typically we we budget for 75. We've always been at since I've been here at 100 or more. >> So, um, we've adjusted that revenue down to represent that. Now, if something comes in and hits the ground running and, you know, opens up in 2026, either in the beginning or mid year, that might change that, but we're budgeting based on what we have available right now >> to be conservative. >> So, what about the commercial building in Woodland Cove? Um, is that a a big enough factor to to anything? >> Um, not much. That won't be much of a factor and and we've gotten a lot of those fees already through the permit process uh because they're currently building it. So, that permit's already been issued. Um, from a tax collection standpoint, there will be an increase in value of that on that parcel, but we won't realize that probably until 2027, >> but that's won't be significant um for that one parcel. Thank you. >> Okay. Any other questions? So, this is just the preliminary and they'll bring it back. You said September 15th >> or either the 3rd or the 15th or whatever >> maybe the 3rd. And so, if there's more questions or discussion, it would have been good if we could have had this PowerPoint in our packet. So, could you send that out then? >> Yeah, I can send that out. Yeah. >> And especially make sure we get that for the uh work session then on the 3. >> Oh, sure. Yep. Yep. >> Be great. >> That's fine. Yep. >> Um >> um just just to note, there was a request to have um another budget touch point at the next work session, too. >> Okay, that's fine. >> Um just to check in again because we have one council member that's not here tonight and she wanted to maybe give some input. So, I think it's on the work session agenda for the next meeting in August. >> So, there'll be another touch point, but then hopefully by then we can get good direction and then on that September 3rd meeting, we're we're good to go with the preliminary levy adopted. >> Okay. And that would be good to have that that PowerPoint too then. >> Yeah, we'll send that out. >> That's good. Great. >> Yeah. I don't know if there'll be much new information between now and that's fine, but you'll have >> it'll just give us a little more time to kind of um digest it and go over the and fine-tune and I mean because there's a lot of numbers in here, >> so it would just be good. >> Okay. Thank you. Um next we have um treatment plant bidding update. Adam, >> Erin, >> sorry, >> thinking, members of council, I don't have a real long update, but mostly just an update on schedule. So, um, the project was advertised in early uh July. So, July 8th, it went out for bid, advertisement for bids. Um, since then we heard from the the residents of Olden Cove just to the north of the water plant some concerns about the access driveway uh that we we ran to the east. Um, so we've since then uh we've delayed the bid opening for the project. Um, and uh we're working on some site civil adjustments and we're also looking at some architectural uh changes to the front of the the facility to accommodate the residents. So, as we make those adjustments, um, trust Brad, do you have the timeline I sent you? >> I do. Yep. It's, um, >> should be right there. >> So, um, and there's a lot going on here, but the, uh, in the construction portion on the bottom, you can see the project was advertised on July 8th. The original bid opening date would have been, uh, this Thursday, August 7th. We've now delayed that to September 25th, so the end of September. Uh that's giving our team time to make those adjustments and and get those uh adjustments out to contractors that currently are holding plans to then adjust their bid and we'll open bids at the end of September. Um we've looked at then we've since also shifted the proposed substantial and final completion dates for the project. Um, we're not concerned about it, but that was the main reason I'm here today is just to communicate that to uh to you that originally we anticipated a late 2027 substantial completion. By delaying our bid opening a couple months, we'll move into a very early 2028 substantial completion. Still winter months, >> right? So, we're not concerned about >> low water demand anyways. We wouldn't have been using uh the majority of this capacity at that point anyway. So, we don't feel like there's anything to be concerned about. uh will be uh we'll be ready for summer of of 2028 demand with this new water plant either way. So that's really the takeaway from the the bid adjustment is a couple month delay, but ultimately um we don't think it'll change really your use of the facility at the end. It'll be ready to go in the winter of 2027 2028. >> So basically um as you recall, we had residents here at our last meeting. Um it was the road issue. So that's been I think addressed and that'll be moved. And then uh they wanted the burm increased with vegetation and is you said the facade of the building itself. I thought we were going to keep that pretty plain. >> So there's there was two main concerns. The the driveway in the the primary one. So we're working on making those adjustments. We'll now enter the site from uh kind of the Woodland Cove neighborhood uh ne and we'll drive past the pickle ball court. So, our team is working on those adjustments with those sight civil adjustments. We're also adding some burming to the north side of the facility, right? >> Um, it'll be basically south of the pickle ball courts north kind of between the water plant courts where we're at we're basically any material that we generate from the excavation of the water plant will be um utilized in that area to burm and then we'll add trees to the top of that to try to provide as much shielding as we possibly can. Um so that's one the first item and then the second item was there was some concern with the kind of the plain nature of the water plant being you know pre-cast it's 38t tall and there's some concerns about just can we do anything to soften that a little bit. So, our architectural team is looking that at that and they've provided Jasper and Gary a couple options to look >> if you do that um then you you need to put that as an alternate bid because we are very concerned about the cost and um so >> and that's something I mentioned to Jasper today. >> Yeah, these just came literally this afternoon. Um and Aaron just said the same thing you just said is that we would bid that as an alternate and and see once what they would come in at. Um, and if it's, you know, it'd be up to the city council. If bids come in low for the other things, um, then maybe we consider other facade work. >> And just to clarify, the the architectural adjustments will be the bid alternate, the site, civil road adjustments, that will be part of the base bid. Yeah. >> Yep. >> Was there any substantial cost savings, not having to build that access road? >> So, our team is still working on the design and I was I was pushing them this afternoon like, what's the difference? And at this point, the near the best we can tell, it's kind of a wash. It's it's a a shorter driveway in. We're able to keep the dirt that we're generating on the site. Uh there's we have to add a retaining wall for the storm water ponds. So, right now, I'm I'm going to call it a wash. Uh as we get closer to the final design of the revisions, we'll have a better idea. >> Thank you. >> And I can there will be another uh touch point. I think we'll have um it might be in in August or September whenever plans can get developed where you guys get to see the plans again and um officially kind of amend the plans and but we're still looking at that September 25th bid opening if that's that's all right with the group. >> Our plan right now is >> that's fine. I mean it's it's going to be a two-year project. So, you know, a few extra weeks isn't going to >> hurt us. If it if if the project wasn't going to be completed until, you know, July of 28, we would be more concerned because of the irrigation issue. So, okay. >> Um and and we did ask contractors, we did hold a pre-bid meeting where we had uh four contractors attend. >> Okay. >> Uh we met at at city hall and we also toured the water plant site, answered some questions. We asked them about the construction time frame if they felt comfortable and no one um noted any concerns. That was also >> reassuring. So then you contact those four then and say now there's been a slight change. >> So we we issued an addendum last week just because the bid opening was supposed to be this Thursday. We issued the addendum with the schedule change. >> Uh so they all could real you know >> take the right >> put the brakes on a little bit and then they'll they're on our plan holders list. So any addendums uh that we send out now they'll be notified of any changes. So, >> so because it's been um delayed a a little bit, is there any are there any other uh companies that might be interested now? Maybe because of the timing. I I'm not >> um >> I don't know. I know there's very few. >> So, the pre-bid we held was a mandatory pre-bid. So, if they didn't have that, then they're not able to bid the project. Okay. We we got the four main biders we would have expected. There have been a couple other biders that that we were have never worked with, were not aware of. Okay. more out of South Dakota that have called, but we uh and they're also very small and we told them at this point they didn't attend the pre-bid. We're not >> okay. >> Worked with them. We're not aware of their qualifications. So, >> okay. >> We're comfortable with the four we have. >> All right. Thank you for coming. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next, we have a Trista Day discussion. And uh is that going to be Chief? >> Yep. >> All right. >> Thank you, Madam Mayor and council members. Uh before you use a request to discuss changing Trista Day to a week night. Um attendance has fallen over the last couple of years and as of late that's really not attributed to weather. So we staff discussed trying a later afternoon event as more people will be likely home and not traveling or attending other commitments during late afternoon uh or early evening time frames. Uh staff has noticed several other communities have events like Trrist Today. Um, also in the late afternoon during the week, uh, traditionally, Trist day has, uh, been heavily focused on public safety, which is why Trrist Day has always been during police week, which is in the middle of May. Uh, in researching moving Trista Day to an afternoon, staff found that Wednesdays work best for both our partners in public safety and our vendors who have attractions such as the pony rides, the petting zoo, balloon art, and and uh, some of the other things we bring out. Uh, as of last month, Wednesday, May 13th worked well for all parties that we contract with. In addition, staff is also working with Mac and grocery store to see if we could uh create a partnership to do free or reduced priced hot dogs. Um, similar to what we did in the past with hot dogs, but instead of our staff making it, Macinto would do that. Um, and we can also explore other food trucks that may be more available on a week night. Um, and finally, staff would like input in the event uh we should or if we do change this event, if we should have it remain three hours or reduce it to two hours. Um, and of course, this would be a trial run and if this doesn't work out, if attendance doesn't go up, we can always go right back to a Saturday. We're prepared to do that. So, um, thank you and I'll stand for any questions. >> Questions? How much does it cost the city >> for the total budget? That's a good question. I' I'd have to get back to you um for our event cost on this. Um have it on a week night would actually reduce uh our expenditures though because we do have to pay what they would call premium prices for uh like A1 when they deliver our tents and whatnot. They have to do it on a Friday evening and it's over a weekend then they tear it down on a weekend. So there would be some minimal cost savings having it on a week night. Um but for the total cost I I definitely would have to research and get back to you on that. >> Do you have any idea what the budget is for it? Is there a budget? There >> there is a budget. It comes out of our special event budget. Um >> it's about 10 grand and the staff time comes out of the the actual you know salaries line items. So when you add probably staff time plus you know the actual cost of the event it's probably 10 15 grand. you know, >> and about how many >> offset a little bit though because I think some of the vendors have to pay and then there's some sponsorships and things like that too. So, there's some offset as well. >> And about how many people attended approximately >> it's it's so tough to tell because they're coming from every which way on 110 uh west, but I mean it's several hundred and some years we've had it in the thousands, you know, if it's nice weather. Um it kind of depends what's going on that particular weekend. Um that's why we thought well you know maybe if we try it on a week night more people are at home. Plus in theory they might just say you know hey let's eat dinner there and you know we're on a Saturday. You know a lot of people go out at night so are they eating lunch here and then dinner somewhere else where on a week night they may just come here and you know spend some more time have dinner and um see the see all the stuff that we're bringing in. So, >> I think a Wednesday night is a really great idea. >> Thank you. >> Or a week night is a great idea. >> Yeah. Thank you, >> Brian. Any >> No, that uh let's give it a shot. >> Thank you. >> All right. Give it a try. We'll see. >> All right. Well, we can always go back if it doesn't >> Larry, but okay. >> So, just to confirm, May 13, 2026, >> Wednesday. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Sounds like the plan. Thank you. >> All right. Um, next then we have our miscellaneous drainage issues. Miss Falski. Thank you, Mayor Whan. Um, so we discussed this with the council back in June. Um, council directed staff to come back with some uh recommended budget numbers for the various items that we discussed. Um, I also took the opportunity to update the memo just to provide um some additional information particularly with the the Bayside backyard drainage. Uh so I'll just go in order of um that they're presented in the staff memo. So first uh we had a discussion of two locations on Minneapolis Avenue. Um we there's a minor um outwash at an outlet from the the drainage from uh the pond at Bayside um that drains Bayside Lane. Um, we did talk to the city attorney about if there's an opportunity to make the HOA responsible for maintenance associated with that pond. Um, and she ind she indicated that the HOA would need to agree for maintenance on that. So, we can certainly do that if the if that's the the council's direction. Um, but there's no there's no way that the city can require the HOA to be responsible for that pond. the other item. >> So, I'm going to guess they're going to say no. >> I would think so. And and the good news is is that there's, you know, recently with the Minneapolis A project, um, we did some improvements through there. So, I I, as far as I, as I recall, we're we should be okay with that pond for a period of time. >> Okay. >> There's also the opportunity as well. Um I think we discussed this at the last um the last time we we talked about the drainage items uh that there is an opportunity to do to go and assess um for any improvements when it comes to storm water improvements. It does require that 429 process of feasibility report etc. But that is an opportunity um that the council could look at for financing uh a project like that. Um so the the item that was that was a little more involved um along Minneapolis A is that fire lane and some of the erosion that's taking place through there. Um I did reach out to um the the watershed district actually twice. I'm I'm wondering if my first email didn't go through because I had an attachment that might have been too large. Um, I did reach out again with with um without a any uh attachments that would flag their system. I still haven't heard back from them. Um, but we're looking at about $49,000 for some of that um to address the erosion that's going through that fire lane channel. Um, I do know that that the watershed district is kind of looking at some of their larger budget items at this time and taking comment on that. Um, but I can certainly continue to try reaching out to the wershed district to see if they can partner with the city on that. >> Otherwise, it's you're estimating 49,000. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> And that's just a budget number just kind of looking at, you know, >> what's going on there? >> I thought we improved that or fixed that a while ago. >> I believe it was further upstream if I remember correctly. And this the the area that's experiencing erosion is now closer to the lake. It was probably about 14 years ago when the whole area got redone right before I got here. It was one of the projects right before I got here. Okay. >> Where they had a with the wershed um doing it in there. But uh we have improved the inlet area to that and then the all fallless areas where the water's picked up some speed and causing the erosion now. >> Okay. Okay. Would you like me to continue going through this and then ask answer questions that come through and then get council direction at the end if that works for you, mayor? >> Sure. Okay. >> Go ahead. >> So, the next item is um some erosion that's taking place uh at the southeast intersection of County Road 110 and 151. Um we're looking at about $82,000 worth of work through there. Um, basically there's some tree clearing that would need to take place and then a restoration of a channel uh right where the flared end or the the storm culvert outlets to there and then there's also some erosion that's going through um as it gets down to the maintained area down towards the lake um partic and then some um inflow and infiltration at the sanitary sewer manhole. Uh the third item um actually has the most um updates for the council. Um as council may recall over on Bayside Lane, uh there are the the homes on the uh would be the west side of Bayside Lane are experiencing uh some drainage issues in the back in their backyard. Um we went back and took a look at um and the with the residents assistance. Uh the residents provided staff with uh handdrawn um notes showing where they have uh drain tiles, inlets, all that sort of thing. So that was very helpful in us kind of piecing together what all where all the issues lay. Um and then we also took another look at um what what would be an option going through here. And um it was a little funny that the about the day after we we started talking about this, Gary and I just kind of looked at each other and said, "Well, that storm pipe where um the storm pipe that exists and I have an exhibit um that I included in the packet uh be page 32 the packet um where there's an existing storm sewer system is that would be the optimal place for a public utility. Um and at this time um as as we conveyed to the council at the last work session um the adjacent property owner um to our understanding is is um not willing to grant others permission to make a connection to that pipe. Um, so the the opportunity exists that there's uh there's five foot drainage and utility easements um along those properties. And so the city could certainly um utilize that easement area to install a public improvement. 5T on each side is not ideal. We'd like usually like 10, but um if this is some something the council wants staff to look into, um we could certainly talk to contractors and and kind of go through what some of the challenges would be so that we could um get this to be a constructible project within that 10-ft easement area. Um but anyway, regardless um if the existing pipe um that the resident the existing the current resident is not willing to make connections um let others connect to um if it's in the way of a public utility we would say you know your options are we can either remove it with the project or we could take it over as a public utility. Now the caveat to that would be that we would need to have some verification that um the elevation of that pipe is adequate to um meet the needs of the the overall area. So um there is an option to um to get this at a at a lower cost to the city if if that pipe is in a place and an elevation that um is is works for the rest of the area. Um, so we've included in the packet um an estimate of $35,000 if we need to install a new pipe and inlet. Um and if or if we luck out and um the pipe there is is already at the elevation and the location that we need it at, uh we could certainly see it might not be quite zero, but very little amount um of of public money that would need to go go into this area. And then the option would be is once that pipe is in place um so in the if we're looking at page 32 of the packet, the >> I think it's 39 >> 39. Oh, I'm sorry. >> Okay, mine says 32, but I must not have um anyway. Um figure seven. >> Thank you. Figure seven of the report. Um if that yellow dash line, um if that's the the option that we're looking at, then um that would be the public contribution and then the option to address the other uh properties issues. uh they could work together to extend uh storm pipe to the city to the public pipe and then we would just have to work with them to get um a license agreement to have a private pipe within the the because there are rear yard drainage and utility easements there. So we would just require a license agreement for them to make that extension. So that's what we were looking at as a solution for the Bayside area. All right. So, you want to go through all of them before we ask questions on any of them? >> It's up to you, mayor. >> Yeah, I think we have to do one at a time. >> Certainly. >> I think it'll be easier. Um, so let's uh let's go back to um so the Minneapolis one um the fire lane. So, you're going to check with MCWD to see if there's any kind of cost share. >> I will again. I think maybe this time I'll call him again. >> Yeah. And then if I don't know what their criteria is or what what their you know I don't know. So check with them. Um when would you want to do this? If let's just say they say no that they have no funding for it. We can do it on our own. Um what when would we want to do this? I think ideally for this one I would say fall >> because if we if we do spring or summer uh the challenge with spring is we have the runoff right and frozen conditions and then summer the challenge with that is um any storms those flashy flashy events um are a little challenging to work around. >> Okay. And so and I know we've um the adjoining uh property owner uh Mr. Alman I think it is has is already been notified he knows about that and he's okay with it. So that seems easier than some of the other ones. >> Um and then um the uh the one on um 151 um at the corner 151 and 110. Do we have So we have a a utility drainage easement there. >> Um I I don't recall seeing one, mayor, but we certainly have a property owner that I would be surprised if if they weren't willing to work with us. um to not only allow us entry on the property, but we could work with the city attorney's office to get an easement as as needed. I think part of the challenge with this one, like we talked to the council previously, is um that the drainage that goes through here is from county road. >> Yeah. >> And so, you know, I I did submit a request to the to the county, you know, can we put this in as a cost as a cost share? um you know it's in the it's in there for as a request whether or not we get it or not is is to be seen but >> well I think we should pursue that first okay >> because it is a county's it's the county's problem if you will and for us to pay for a county problem I'm I'm a little bit ler to do that although I do understand it affects our residents so um let's see what we can find out and if we have to contact our commissioner to get some help there um let me know. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So, um we'll pursue that as we can. All right. Any other questions? >> Isn't there a concern about the sewer uh being right there too that we could have water infiltrating it? >> Yeah. So, yeah. Um Mayor Willen, um Council Member Vicky, we there is a sanitary sewer there. So, if we look at figure five, um the red lines indicate where there's sanitary sewer and then there's a the red dot there is where the manhole is. And so, it's it's nearby where drainage is going through that property. um uh public works super or public works director uh Peters and I have have talked about, you know, with with any kind of drainage improvement project through there, we would certainly want to go and take um the opportunity to uh line the manhole or put something in there to um further to reduce any kind of inflow or infiltration into that >> ini. Yeah. >> And there is quite a bit of ini in there. We actually just received a letter from the um med council showing that that where this flows to lift station 2 um we had a really large increase in flow there. >> Okay. Yeah, probably >> it's justformational. There's no penalty or nothing. They just wanted to be aware of it. But um that is one of the contributors there. Everything else has been lined around the lake, but this manhole is a big contributor because if you go there and that water's going right by there, it is running basically right into that manhole because it's running right by it. So, with this project too, what we'd probably end up doing, um, we're probably going to do this anyways, is get this lined. >> Yeah. >> Um, inside spray line to seal it up and, you know, and get it taken care of, but, uh, it is a big contributing factor there on this. >> Does, um, Met Council have any funding for for that portion of it. >> We can we can try. Um, a lot of times, u cities are quote unquote fined or, you know, charged for INI issues. We have never been because we've always been working on it. So I don't think we've ever paid I don't know Brian you have we ever paid a fee for INI or nothing I think because we've always been trying to work on it. >> Um so basically what they do is a grant money that comes is basically the money you've paid them. They said hey here's some money for you. Well we've just been paying that whole money. A lot of the cities pay for it and they get their money back when they do the INI but we can definitely see if there's extra money out there to you know to do something. >> Might as well ask. So what if I mean so what if you did the um the sewer thing even if we can't get the county to participate for the storm water it sounds like we really need to address that sewer is the um infiltration so maybe we should do that and that's a whole different fund so maybe we should do that and then again continue to talk with the county regarding that drainage issue and and then make a decision if they we they need to come back and say yes or no and if they say it's a a straight out no, then we have to make a decision. >> Okay. >> But until we know that, I don't know that we can make a decision on the on the storm. >> And we can look to see if there's a drainage shield easement through there. Um if not, um you know, both these property owners when we talked to them, they were um you know, I don't think there'd be any issue with obtaining one here for the future. So, they're kind of excited to get it taken care of, especially since it's flowing into this gentleman's almost into his back door. So, >> yeah. Yeah. And so, we need to address it. I just want to find out one way or the other. Um, and then when you bring it back, um, I know you said something about 82,000, but does that didn't include the sewer, right? That was just the storm water. >> That's correct. That's just for the storm water. >> All right. So, we'll have to kind of take a look at that. Can we charge the county to send them a bill? Okay. Anyhow, um, try. >> All right. And then Bside Lane. So now um so with the storm sewer this this drain it's not storm sore with this drain and we do have an easement. It's only a 10ft easement 5 ft on either side. So we could maybe tell the homeowner if they feel it's their pipe which I'm sure they didn't install. >> No. >> Um then they would have to remove it if they feel it's their pipe because it's in our utility easement. >> Okay. So, I think we should tell them that we either use it and take ownership of it or else they have to remove it so that we can put our pipe in, which seems stupid because we're going to put that same pipe in. >> Agreed. >> But have have we actually spoken to them or are we just taking the word of the neighbors saying they don't want to comply? >> I haven't spoken to >> We have not yet. waiting for, you know, a decision before we, >> you know, send them a nice letter to talk to them and >> yeah, >> sit down with them and just discuss what's going on. >> I think we'll have to do that. But I think that that solution is is the only solution. >> Good solution. >> And it's a good solution, I think, for for everybody involved. >> We're we're trying to locate a phone number so we can just call to >> just to make make initial contact. >> Okay. >> And we have we have obtained that now. So, okay, >> we will work on it tomorrow. >> And I do and so I know that the other um people involved in this are concerned about the timing because we need to get this done sometime this fall. So, is that are you looking at prioritizing or is is this something? So, for in if you have to prioritize I think we need to prioritize this and the Minneapolis one. If need be, we could do next fall or or whenever, but um this seems to be more of a priority. >> Council, do you agree? >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. >> We can do that. We can do it in conjunction um too with uh you know, put them out and see if we get a a good price on both of them. >> Okay. >> Once and see what you know and just say, "Hey, this is the timeline and see if see who what contractors can you know can make it happen yet this year and what kind of pricing we can get from them." Okay. And then the other one on Bayside at the end of Bayside. I know we did some work over there years ago. Um trying to get to the page. >> Oh, the >> that's on page 36. >> Okay. >> So on that one, what's is it it's the flow, right? It it's Do you need to put check dams in or something? I mean, what what are you thinking there? That's a 1040 bay site. >> 1040. >> Which one? >> That's um >> figure one. I think >> it's figure one. >> Okay. >> At the first one. Um that one was just that figure one was um re replacing some of the the rip wrap at the outlet to get better flow through there. It's just at the tail end of there. Okay. Okay. But I think as I recall at the the first discussion of um with the council, we kind of segueed a little bit into um ownership and maintenance of that pond. And so I just wanted to follow up with council on that. >> So it looks like we're going to have to take ownership of that pond most likely cuz So if we own the pond, um yeah. Okay. What would be our next step on that one? >> That one I think would be fairly straightforward. Um certainly public works director uh Peters and I can uh have a conversation and and reach out to the property owner um at 1040 Bayside to just go over what needs to be done. >> Okay. And that's that's a relatively small amount. Um as mentioned we can look at you know talk about grouping some of these together if they're you know little things here and there. There might be an opportunity um to get some economies of scale if we group them together. >> Yeah. Okay. Any other questions? Because I know we did some work over there before, but All right. And then um next one is Duchaine. Is that it? >> Correct. Just finishing my notes here. Um so on uh as we discussed with the council, um what we kind of looked at this from from two different perspectives. We looked at um one one option would be to look at doing some kind of stilling basin or something to that effect at the low points of the road to try to take away some of that energy that's of the water that's coming off the road before it hits the ravines. Um be if you go into the ravines um to do some some work there or some restoration um we're certainly looking at a much larger project. So, uh, we do have a resident that's provided some, um, some videos of drainage along Daine, um, during a rain event, um, which are helpful. And then, um, so we provided a a recommended budget for just the Stilling Basins would be about $21,000. And, uh, if you look at going into into the area with ravine restoration, we're looking at uh, $170,000 additional. board. >> What would that gain us though? So, where does this water run to? >> It goes to the south. There's a a wetland area to the south. Um, and then from there, I am at a disadvantage. I don't recall exactly where it I believe it goes to painters, does it not? Painters. >> Suppose it eventually gets that far. Yes. cuz I'm just wondering if MCWD wouldn't be interested maybe in doing something because this is a much larger project that I don't think we can tackle right now financially. We can circle back. A number of years ago, there was discussion about doing some work uh in that area with through Henipin County. Um can't remember who the partners were at the time, but >> environmental services probably >> it was part of Henipin County and part of the watershed I believe. Um but we can kind of look back and see what happened with that. And um it was due to um if I recall, I'm trying to think back here, but I think it was um somebody on actually on um North Branch side, was it not? That had an erosion problem in the backyard from this. So, it was kind of going to be a joint effort for everybody. But we'll look back and look and see if we can >> find out who that was and see if we can't, >> you know, repartner >> because that that and it could be an ongoing project, too. I mean an ongoing issue. So what? So you're saying it's 21,000 to do basically like a catch basin. You're saying >> um it's kind of like a catch base and it's it's more like a little for lack of a better word just like a like a little pond area with rock and the intent is that the water goes into that area kind of gets bubbled up to get some of that energy out >> um and before it goes so it's a little bit of a smoother flow um during those lower flow events. Certainly a a big gully washer. It's still going to go through there. >> And what if you did a little let's say a little more than that and did a couple of check dams at the beginning. Is that >> would how much would would that increase the cost substantially? And >> would that help? >> I think it would help on the larger events. >> It would help in the larger events. I think that the challenge with going down through the ravine there there's a there's a couple challenges. one is um we don't have easement but I don't see that as insurmountable. I think we have some residents that are interested in the city um looking at at helping out with the ravine. the the technical challenges are the area is very very sh time you come in and do any work in a shaded area you're taking out some trees which that that happens but it's it's the restoration of that channel um in a shaded area is how do you get that area restored >> because you need something in there to you know try to get a good root structure that's going to help stabilize it and that's pretty tough through there >> you know with no sun so >> I'd say it can't done. But >> you know there's there is other options to do but it's a it's a it's a challenge. >> Um can I ask you this question? It affects three homes. Is that right? >> I think there's more than three homes through there. Um >> see three addresses here under Shane. >> Well there's two adjacent property owners but then you said that there's another one in North Brand North Arm. Yeah, it just flows down to, you know, it flows off of there towards what would be be like kind of the southeast, I suppose, and does affect the I think it's two or three homes on North Branch also as it's flowing through there. Um, and goes down to I think it's just a kind of a holding area down there and it eventually starts to work its way all the way through here. But there is an area of, you know, in those yards that if you go down, there's a lot of sediment down there. >> Mhm. >> And uh just, you know, just a lot of deposit and and I, like I said, I can't recall what the initiated this whole thing, but I know it was something to do with somebody off of North Branch. I you know and I had to look back but there was a reason that this was initiated for that with them but and I don't know if it's because the house got sold um and and the original property owner is no longer there if that just kind of gotten you know pushed aside or forgotten about or or what it is but we can you know do some research and because I remember walking through there >> you know with Miss Folski and myself and a bunch of other people the residents there and you know and some other partners talking about it. So, >> excuse my ignorance on this subject, but you know, these are million-dollar homes and how um you know, when you buy property um certain bays, certain areas, you know, have squishier lawns and different elevations. How is any of the cost of this does any of it fall on the homeowner? I mean, these this is, you know, these are affluent. It's an affluent community. And I'm wondering, let's say it's 10 homes and considering $170,000 price tag, that's do they bear any of the cost of this? I mean, >> well, I think is it is it our fault? This is >> that's that's what I was going to say. If it's our um road runoff, then I think we need to address it regardless of how many homes, regardless of what the price tag of those homes are. We I don't know that >> if it's our fault. >> Um but if So that's why I was wondering if if a >> um catch basin if that's going to solve the problem or if a little bit down a little bit more um can help reduce that um erosion. If it's our runoff, then we need to address it. We may not be able to address the whole um whole thing. Um that would just that might be too much. We don't have that in the budget. But if we can do the catch basin along with a little bit of check dams to help slow that and maybe do that first and then see. >> Yeah, I would not say it's 100% runoff from our area. There's, you know, there's always overland and stuff like that, but the road definitely does, you know, contribute to drainage that way. So, >> um, what percentage I I could not say, but it definitely does contribute to it. >> Yeah. Um, and then another stupid question. Has anybody thought of putting a pipe in the ground and then covering it up filling? >> That'll never fly. >> Okay. I don't know. >> As much as I love doing that and getting rid of these open trenches and stuff, it's a very hard cell to watershed and stuff, but >> Okay. >> To me, that's the best solution you can have. I mean, you would, you know, get rid of all your erosion. You could put some catch in before it gets to it and catch a lot of the sediment. >> Um, it solves a lot of issue. It's, you know, but it it's a very tough sell because they like the quote unquote natural look, >> you know. I mean, we discussed this when we had the project on Morning View a bunch of years ago. >> Um I cannot think of um Hoffman property there. Um >> yeah, >> we want I I discussed doing the same exact thing. instead of having this, you know, I know >> trench area that is unmaintainable, you know, put a pipe down to the lake with that with a nice catchment with a with a pond up there and they would not go for it. They just would they they do not like >> Okay, who do we need to talk to over there? >> I know >> we can certainly So, I'll make a note here. The other question is what do the homeowners I mean they'd have to kind of agree to it too. So, um but it seems to me like this is just going to keep eroding. So if you >> and it will but you you have to you know also remember one thing I mean you you know you do this and now you push the problem further downstream. >> Yeah. >> So there's got to be an end solution you know with you know to fix it up here now you're causing more problems downstream. Now that becomes a problem. So there's got to be an end game somewhere down there to where it's going to go and how it's going to be >> you know 100% resolved. >> Yeah. Yeah. The challenge with this one with putting in a pipe is the the requirement from the watershed district is basically you can't increase the rate of of runoff >> the rate and you would increase and you would with a pipe increase the rate >> because it's taking it essentially for all intents and purposes immediately from the road down to the receiving water body whereas as it exists right now it goes through the channels but that's why I asked where it goes if it goes into a wetland um then the wetland can act as the filtration system versus before it goes into Painter Creek. So, I don't know if that's going to make a difference. I can certainly talk to our water our water resources engineers who have a lot of experience working with this watershed district and find out if there's some some options that we can look at and get creative. Um my so my understanding is so priority one would be the Bayside folks, priority two is the Minneapolis Avenue drainage. Um based on this discussion that we've had with Duchaine is where does where would council's direction be on this priority for Duchaine Lane? >> Well, can you do kind of that initial project, you know, um catch basin and maybe a little bit of a check dam just not very far down to at least get catch some of that. Okay. Um so that's good direction. Uh, mayor and council, I think one of the things that I'll have to chat with the water resources engineers is if we're looking at doing a check dam or two at a couple locations, what that does to the recommended budget, does it double I I don't I can't find out. Um, so I I think what we'll do is um we'll have to do some more. We'll have to bring this back to the council again. Um and then but in the meantime, we have direction on um the other two priorities that you've identified um as far as getting getting uh a little further down the road um with some fall some work to be done this fall ideally. >> And to answer your question, there's a large area there to the south of that that is national wetland on the national wetland inventory. So I mean there is a large area back there that this all flows to. So, >> right, >> we can, you know, like I say, we'll we'll contact the people that we had before, >> okay, >> we got those old emails, so we can kind of, you know, revitalize that, see what they have to say and if they want to, you know, come back and to the table and see if they want to have an appetite to repurs this. >> Okay, council, are we in agreement? >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Um, that concludes our agenda items, so we'll take a break. And it's and we're starting our meeting, our regular council meeting at 6:30. So if I have a motion to adjurnn, we can be adjourned. >> So moved. >> Thank you, Brian. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Claudia. All those in favor signify with I. I. All those opposed. >> Motion passes 40. Thank you. >> There's a boot in the back. You're >> my friend. >> Yay. >> The guy who got Three Rivers. >> Oh, I don't know if you know him or not. No, Sean. Okay. So, right now he's at the U. Is that right? >> The library was almost maybe they're big enough to see like the live department. Yeah. Yeah. Director finance department, I guess. >> Okay. That's why >> No, I don't think No, I don't. Yeah. So it'd be interesting to >> Yeah, I' been looking or something. He's never been in like a city back. >> He's always been more like the school or what do you call it? >> Don't have the actual compenture type of >> Yeah. I don't know if he's even on. >> I don't know how you I don't know how they could they do one, two, three different types in the same pre, you know. No, you know, it'd be flat, but it would give it the look of this. Would you have, you know, so you have this, this, and then this all three textures 13. Yeah. >> Flat surface. >> Can they do that or not? >> Is it And would it be >> What would it look? Then we would go to [Laughter] >> Yeah. And I don't know if that's cheaper or I don't know. Curious. I like them. They both dig in on >> 250 for just the two and we had the ones on the back side. So >> uh last I checked it was questionable. Let me take a look. >> And I mean and here's the other thing. I mean does it just pay just to do these two sides and not so much on the other side? Oh, I know. >> You know, I mean, they show this side, but they don't really show. >> I mean, I like this, but you want to do a >> different What I had them do is I had them take the one rendering and adjust the front face. >> They would keep the back side the same as the other. >> Well, yeah. [Music] >> Okay. >> Looks like it turned beautiful sunny. Yep. >> Okay. I'll get you at 5:30 and you got my number running later. So, >> do we need to do this? >> I mean, this is looking, you know, you're looking at the woods, >> you know, you know. So, this side, I mean, you could you could keep this here. >> Like I say, I mean, this could almost be, >> you know, you go all the way up with this and make these two panels this, you know, on the sides, >> you know. I I don't know, you I mean, how would that look just to do, you know, this panel would be wood grain look, you know, so this panel would be wood grain look, you know, leave these this way. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I don't know what how that would look. >> Or you just take those panels off the corner and just do >> Well, because I mean, I think people are still going to see this. I don't know a little bit from the house, but I mean, what if you make it a bumpout, but just put it on the panel just as the colors? >> It gives it that appearance, >> you I mean balance of like how many trades. >> Oh yeah. >> All right. The cheaper particular officer you want to go with otherwise >> doesn't matter to me. >> And I don't Yeah. And I don't know but if you do this panel >> there's plenty that will particular >> all in wood grain. >> Do this one all in wood grain. Not all the way over just this little you know. >> I guess the question how good >> we have them assigned with three parties. If there's one you want to go to. Well, yeah. Or you know, or here's my question. I mean, if they're going to do this, you know, >> it should be fun. >> Yeah. Yeah. Looks like put a nice heavy in there or something on it. You know, staining it, you know, kind you know, you can give it a little bit more texture there. >> Yeah. But I mean, it's like, you know, with these those big concrete walls and stain concrete to match it. I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there to see. I mean, I love the look of this, but would it make more sense, you know, even like you just put flat panel here, you know, on corners? >> We do a little uh I don't think it'll stand out. This looks beautiful. >> There's some parties that don't start >> the works. >> Appreciate you coming out. Awesome. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, the one other thing I threw out, >> usually I have shrubbery around here. What if we add thickness to that out front and just put a small tree? >> Yeah, I see. I seem to remember people having to, >> you know, just small like decorative trees. >> I think you still do. >> I did it once, but it was up here, but you would have to do it down here. It's so hot. >> 80°. It's like 100°. >> The kids figure it out pretty quick. Yep. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how much do we have here? You know, Yeah. saying put some crap apples or something in there. You know, crab in there. >> Be a good time. >> Yeah. For that, you're going to want at least 10 ft, >> right? >> You still have plenty of room to get in, turn around. You'll still have plenty of room, >> right? We get some there that kind of buffers that. >> That's not a bad idea. Then you don't have to do as much here. But I'm wonder what if we just take this and just go all the way up with it on this pan, you know, just take that. I mean, that's just pre-cast, >> you know, do the pre-cast all through there, you know, on here. And I love this part of it, you know. I mean, but on this, you know, it gives it sets it off differently. And now you're eliminating all this. And then just put this as pre-cast all the way. >> And one of their options that, you know, they stopped the bump out to here. And I had him continue like just to do a little bit more cuz And then I had him add this like wood thing down here. I think that looks nice. >> I think this really looks nice. Yeah. >> Gives us more texture and you know and you know the other thing we could do with it too is just throw some and we can talk about this later too but we take this stuff and just kind of bring this up you know to the panels here. >> You know instead of doing wood bring this you know so this whole this like you got two panels right here. You got one here and one there and just take that all the way up on the corners. So then you're not bringing in another trade. >> Exactly. Now you got this and it's going to be there, you know, and then this would be all the way up. You'd make this all these panels this way and then maybe do this one, you know, here, you know, and do these two panels in that. >> Are they here? They're not here yet. >> I'll reach out tomorrow. Let's get a quick >> Yeah. See what it looks like. I mean, you know, I know I'm sure it's pretty easy for them to just, you know, kind of color that in. >> They sent me a couple of them that were like early on. >> I don't like the grays. I think it looks I like this because like you say, it blends in really nice with a natural look. >> Yeah. You know, and even like I say, even if they would just take this block and go up on these corners and keep this, you know, over here like I like the shorter version of this here, but if we take this, you know, and maybe just make the I don't know. I mean, do you keep some of it or make this whole thing? I don't know. I mean, you know, maybe make the uppers that, but keep all this that way. >> Or just the same. >> Exactly. If it's the same, well, then you keep do what looks nice. Yeah, we just got it comes down to is modifying. [Music] >> So over over it life cement board that's going to go up there. What's the life? I mean, is there something we're going to have to do? Is it going to get resealed or anything? I mean, >> that's a good question. >> That's a good question. >> And you know, I'd like to know that, too. I mean, are we looking at cost down the road to to do something with it? body that's necessarily on priorities >> and I get it right. They have their priorities. >> And so that's the challenge that we come into with some of these things. So we'll we'll continue to reach out. >> Yeah. I I don't know. I mean I don't know how you know how it weathers and stuff like that. But I mean cement boards I would figure you know I would figure if it does weather over the years 15 years down the road I can justain it. >> Somebody come in just spray it and restain it. Is that >> Yeah. No, I mean that's they do it all over all the time for >> this or bigger picture. >> What's it new? >> No, you can go. >> Don't worry. If we need you, I'll call you back and you can turn around. >> What's up, Brad? How you doing, buddy? >> Today get your uh reward today. Oh, I had to get uh cleaned up for a kid's wedding this weekend. So, >> last weekend >> this coming one. >> Congrats one. >> Yep. Yeah. He uh had to take his Press Blue is going to get the jacket resized because a lot more and his arms are a little tight. So, he took it into a Taylor. And the guy says, "Oh," he said, you know, >> he stopped in. He goes, "Yeah." He goes, the guy goes, "Can I help?" He says, "Well, I got a suit jacket I need. I got a jacket I need to get, >> you know, resized so I can wear it for my wedding. He says, "Oh, okay. You got it tucked in there?" He goes, "No, it's my dress blues from the Marine Corp." He goes, "Well, separate, buddy." He says, "I was a Marine, too. Let's take a look at it." He's doing it. He did it for free for him. That >> is awesome. >> Yeah. Brotherhood, I'll tell you. It's all, you know, I mean, once a Marine, always a Marine. So, yeah. You guys said, "Yep." He says, "No charge for it." >> So, is he officially out or >> Oh, yeah. He's all Yeah, he's been out. So, he's going to school now. So, >> just that balance. >> Does he ever want to return back in? >> No. He say do it again. If you he recommend anybody go join the air force be there to begin with. >> He said it's just >> he was so bored in there. He as smart as he is. I mean he well he took his ACTs at school he forgot his calculator. Did >> all his math pencil and paper took a 31 >> in your ass. He got a 96 out of 99. >> The situation get worse. They didn't know what to do with him because he couldn't go he couldn't go into any engineering stuff because uh everything engineering falls under combat engineering and he's >> buy public funds and >> well because bomb diffusal is in there and they're like >> be very honest >> really he goes if you're really going to put me in bomb diffusal he said you're an idiot >> you really want to get into the uh bridge building and that type of stuff is what you want to get into >> temporary bridges and stuff like that they got into logistics so he learned how to load planes and ships and that type He moved to um >> called HTC. What is it? High >> traffic cy or something like that. But he would load the stuff underneath uh >> Blackhawks um ospreys and um that big seahawk helicopters. That was very dangerous to get extra paper because that stupid rod you see that pipe. They had to have one guy that's growing to grab hold. It's 10,000 DC volts coming down there. >> Yeah, they'll fry you if they don't if you don't ground it right away. >> But yeah, they got paid extra for that and stuff. But you know, you're working in 80 mph winds on those props and stuff. >> He didn't want there for that. >> The original I don't that I would be able to you can't be color blind for that either, but you have to be you had to be you had to meet all the certain requirements. You didn't have good vision. You know, you got to have, >> you know, 2020 vision. >> He wore glasses, so I mean that disqualifies there. So, >> you got to be certain size and he was pretty stocky. He like, you know, thin skinny guys. >> My buddy of mine, he flew helicopter forever. >> He Well, he graduated out of our class number one. >> I can I could spend hours. >> Went to Annapolis. Joined the graduated number one in >> was in the was in the Navy. wanted to fly helicopters. Well, helicopters Navy has planes. So does the airman. So does Navy fly the really cool helicopter got. So he switched to Marine Corps and that's what he did when they tours he did over in Afghanistan and I'm not that damn cool over in Afghanistan you know all that but he did you know you know he was over there and I mean he flew you know hundreds and hundreds of missions over there and