:30 and uh this is November 17th, the regular city council meeting for Minatrista. And I'm going to ask uh number one, please put your um cell phones on silent mode or airplane mode so they don't ring or disturb our meeting. And then please join me in pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [clears throat] >> So, I'm going to first start with introductions. Um, I'm Lisa Whan and I am the mayor. And to my left our council members, Kathleen Refkin, Claudia Lacy, Peter Vickery, Brian Govern, and then we have on the end we have our SA staff as Allison Falski is our city engineer with WSB. And then Gary Peters is our public works director. And then Paula Bowman is our assistant administrator. To my right, we have Jasper Krugal, who is our city administrator. Then uh David Ael, who is our community development director. Sarah Sansala is with Kennedy and Graven who is our city um legal u attorney. Thank you. And then we have our chief of police Craig Squires. So with that um I have one minor change to the agenda. I'd like to add under business item number C and it would be approve the quote for installing drainage pipe on Bayside Lane. If we can add that for discussion. Other than that, I have no other changes to the agenda. Is there a motion to approve the agenda with that change? >> So moved. >> Thank you, Miss Refkin. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Miss uh Vickery. All those in favor signify with I. I. All those opposed. Motion passes. 5. So next we'll move on to special presentations. Uh this evening we have Michael Kirkwood who is the city's representative to the LMCD or the Lake Mitanka Conservation District. Thank you very much for coming, Mr. Kirkwood. It's always a pleasure to have you here and I'm going to hand it over to you. >> You're all too kind. [laughter] Thank you, Madame May, Mayor and members of the council. Um, I wanted to just uh ask your support out of this meeting tonight uh for making a statement to the LMC as your interest in the issue I'm going to present to you. Um and that is looking at an option of having certain areas of the lake set aside for [clears throat] non-motorized lake use um certain days of the week, certain hours of the day, that's all to be decided, but to get people safely using the lake away from the wake boating environment. So just some background, the LMCD was a partial funer of the research done [clears throat] by the University of Minnesota St. Anthony Falls Research Lab. And that research showed that lake bottom being stirred up and scoured at depths of up to 20 ft due to the downward prop configuration of wake boats uh and other large boats sometimes as well. A video of the research study in Wisconsin showed divers at a 20ft depth were being tossed around like like toys uh at the 20 foot depth from the the propped wakes. So, it's pretty powerful stuff. Uh Minnesota has no statewide ordinance controlling wakebo impacts. Local ordinances must provide controls and that would be the LMCD's role in doing it. Uh we did establish a 300t zone from the shoreline in 2023 which is what you see in the orange lines on the map in front of you. That's a 300 ft distance offshore. And the wakeboat users have been mostly cooperative in following the new ruling. However, in some smaller, narrower bays, there have been cases where smaller craft, stand up paddle boards, kayaks, canoes, even small fishing boats have been knocked about by the large boat wakes. The LMC [clears throat] um has had conversations with others around the lake as to what they need to do and not do, but they've been reticent to take any action. I'm asking you to help support their interest in taking some action. Um the 20ft depth is kind of a magic number. What you see in purple on the map is areas of the lake that would be deep enough to qualify as a safe uh wakeboarding area. It's 20 ft or deeper in all of those areas. Uh one of the people I interviewed was Chris Banks, a mound resident who's a professional wakeboarder, and he revealed that wakeboarders prefer waters with 20 ft or more in depth as the wakes are more effectively formed in the deeper water. So, it's not a conflict there. But some of the bays and backwaters of Minnitanka would likely fail to meet the 20ft depth threshold and therefore we need to think about [clears throat] protecting the lake sediments. Um and they should be ruled out as wake surfing areas in the shallow areas. So our organization is a little bit reticent to take too strong a stance on this. We have a couple of people on the board who are uh against any restrictions on any voting on any kind of thing. So we're kind of stuck at this point. So, I'm asking you guys to consider uh a letter or something that would say you would support further looking, not an answer yet, but at least more conversational meetings uh an agenda if you will, a work group at the at the LMCD uh that would take some action on this area. I wanted to introduce you to the fellow who has been really stimulating this thinking and this action and that's John Bent who lives up in the Orino area. I met him four years ago >> and he's been working very hard to get everybody's attention on this and has some additional data to share with you as to what the risks are and what he's like to suggest that that we're trying to do and we're going to ultimately ask for a letter from the board that would support that. >> Okay. >> Can I ask a question quick? >> Question. >> If if you do this, won't it just push all the boats into a certain area and then cause more damage in those areas? >> Possible. possibly. [laughter] >> Give me a minute to think about that. Yes, we have talked about that would be there that that's that's to be decided as to how that would work out. There are certainly would be some places where we might have to have um no wakeboats and there will be certainly more boats in some areas. What we're trying to do is avoid having them damaging the lake or risking other people's lives. That's really the mission here. Mhm. And >> how enforcable do we think this is? I look at like Hollstead Bay where you've got a portion of it. Would the intent be to just basically close off certain bays if they didn't have a certain threshold or would it be up to the wake borders to essentially have like a map like this to figure out where 20 foot? >> And they do have maps like this on their boats. They actually have most of them will have [clears throat] have a GPS that will tell them where they are, what the depth is, where they could go. So it' be really more a matter of the LMUD establishing some clear language that says yes here, no here, maybe here. And we need to put that together, make it happen. What's happened is we aren't taking that conversation even to heart right now. We're just getting stuck on not wanting to talk about it. So I'm trying to stir up some interest in making that happen. >> Michael, can I ask you another question? >> Um, I was going to say what Kathleen said. Wouldn't this just drive all those people to other bays? And then as far as enforcement, there is no enforcement on really terrible infringements on the lake. Like you have to be off the lake an hour before sundown. If you're on a jet ski, every single night in the summer, there are boats on the lake an hour, I mean after sundown. So these are issues way more important. There is no enforcement. There's you call and they're they're off the lake before you, you know, before anyone could get there. >> So [clears throat] enforcement is always >> enforcement is going to be [clears throat] >> right. Well, and the water patrol has said that they will enforce whatever rules we make to the best of their ability. And I think they have at maximum on a busy weekend, I think they have 10 officers available to the lake. And that's a lot of area you can see. So answering that question is also important too. I just don't have the answer for you tonight, but we've >> Yeah. >> You want to speak to that? All right. >> Thanks, Mike. Okay. >> Good evening. Thank you uh for allowing me to speak this evening. Uh my name is John Bent and um I'm president of a organization called Citizens for Sharing Lake and we uh we formed to provide a platform for stakeholders on the lake to be able to express their concerns about wake surfing. Now going to the issue of enforcement. Uh the state of Vermont is the only state in the in the country that has passed a statewide regulation of wake surfing. And what [clears throat] they did is uh they created wake surf zones on their lakes. Uh their original law was that there had to be 50 contiguous acres of water available and it had to be located 500 ft from shore in a minimum depth of 20 ft. The way that they provided enforcement uh capability for that is they developed a navigational app and the app identifies those wake surf zones on their lakes and it tracks u where the the boater is in real time and they make that app uh available to all boers free and that's what we're advocating for Lake Minnetonka. So, we're we're advocating that that wake surf zone be a minimum of a 100 contiguous acres, which uh what does that mean? Well, what it would allow is that a a wake surf run could be three minutes long and it would be wide enough that three wake surf boats could operate simultaneously with 500 ft separation between them. It's interesting that Vermont is this year trying going to amend their law. They're in the process of changing their 50 to 100. So, uh, enforcement I think is would be uh possible because both water patrol and the boater would have this app. But the idea here would also be that it'd be a great tool for wake surfers. A lot of them certainly don't want to be destroying the lake. And now they would know where they can be safely uh as far as inflicting any damage on the lake. And if somebody is outside that zone, it provides the water patrol an opportunity to perform education as well. Um they don't necess we're not advocating that right out of the bat there's all these tickets being written, but we want a tool for wake surfers to be able to know with confidence that they're on the lake in an area where they're not going to cause damage. Now, why is that important? Well, uh if you haven't seen the videos from the university phase 2 study, I would highly recommend you look at them. It's basically uh that that prop wash and wave energy from the hull of the boat hits the bottom of the of the lake and it literally explodes. Uh debris is flying up into the water column. Aquatic plants are being uprooted and it doesn't take very long for an area to be scalped and have it have it bare. So, not only does it release phosphorus u into the water column, which promotes algae growth, if there's heavy metals in there, that's going to be resuspended. But it also destroys fisheries. And uh if we don't have aquatic plants uh thriving for fisheries, um it's going to have a big impact on Lake Manitaka. So, uh we think it's common sense. create these zones, create an app, have an education program. You need enforcement those [clears throat] that are just gonna not comply no matter what. Uh but it would make a big difference. >> Now, there's another issue with wake surfing on the lake and that's its impact on other users. When I live on Maxwell Bay and in the summertime on the weekends, it's very common for three, four, sometimes even five or six wake surf boats to be operating out there. Nobody else can do anything. The turbulence on that on the water is so um uh great that battle sports, forget it. uh fishermen, you get you're getting [laughter] bounced around uh continually and it is a safety issue. U there was a serious injury on the lake three years ago. Um the woman that lives on Casco Point, she she and her husband were going leaving Excelsier Bay to go home and they encountered a couple of wig surf boats that created turbulence. She got knocked out of her seat, fell down on the bottom of the boat, and had a compression fracture of her back. Uh there's been uh reports of boats being swamped, fishing boats being swamped. There was one on North Arm a couple of years ago. Um so safety is also an issue here. [clears throat] Now, why is it important that LMCD act? Well, first of all, it's their duty to act. They their mission is to preserve and protect Lake Minnotonka for us and for our and future generations. But the industry is also organized against any regulation of wake surfing. And they've unsuccessfully tried at the state level here to pass laws that have u rest restrictions that are not even close to what the university uh recommendations are based on their research. They want 200 feet from shore and no depth [clears throat] uh regulations at all. Um they go in and uh and present this position based on research that they funded and it's they make a very convincing presentation. But there isn't one single independent research study that backs up what what they're claiming. And uh they're uh they're not going to stop. So, uh, LMCD has the authority to act. It was delegated to them in 19 in the 1960s. They should act. It would set a standard for the state of Minnesota that could be followed. And everything that we were recommending that Mike has talked about is based on the science of the uh, St. Anthony Falls lab studies. >> And so this evening um, I think as Mr. court uh pointed out that uh they're looking um not for support to create a law but to uh support to actually engage in a committee or engage the LMC board in discussions about this. >> So I think um um being a Lakeshore owner, I know um Miss Lacy you are, I'm a Lakeshore owner um not on Lake Minnetonka but none the same. I do know what um wakeboards can do and and the effect that they have on on the lake and on users. In fact, we've been even swamped on our dock by wakeboards. So, I I would have no problem um submitting a letter of support to to uh take a look at this and see what what could be done um within reason because I think um the LMCD what they want to do is create a safe environment for all users, not just the um paddle boarders or not just the wakeboarders, but for all users. And I think that's that's what their charge is and I think that's what they should do. So, well, [clears throat] Madame Mayor, if I may, um, are you more concerned with the lake being damaged or with safety? Both. Which one would you prioritize? >> They both would fall within our jurisdiction. >> I mean, that's an honest question because I see nothing done for safety every single night. I mean, every single We have Wakeboard. We um do I want all the other people from Lake coming to our big bay that's deep to Wakeboard? Right. >> And but the >> be an issue we have to address. Yeah. >> I would say the number one thing to do is stop. There's a rental place. There's a couple rental places on the lake. There's no policing. They let people that are not used to driving these very dangerous, powerful machines. Here's the key. Off you go. >> Right. >> Um and >> I don't think we're I You're correct. I mean, you're absolutely right. I think boats I mean, there's boat clubs where people get in boats and have no idea what >> have no idea what they're I mean, >> but um I think there needs to be more policing of the lake. I don't know if LMCD can get a volunteer like sheriff's, you know, a volunteer kind of situation. Um, I think that would be marvelous if people could, you know, someone could take a bay. Get a hundred people to sign up for two nights a summer and you take a bay. But I don't know what the answer is. But before I I I would feel that compelled to do something about changing wakeboard habits. I would say we have to address the dangerous behavior of jet skis on our lake. >> Well, I agree that [clears throat] it's a bothand situation, not an either or. There's lots of areas we need to be attended to safety on the lake. Um I will if you want I can introduce you to the water patrol and you might want to do a ride along with them some evening or some weekend actually. >> That's a great idea. >> See what their experiences but I've done that and >> it's interesting but thank you for Claudia for the perspective. >> Yeah, thank you and thank you for caring about our lake. Yeah. >> So, is the council would you be um open to a letter of support to um at least take a look at this wakeboard um consideration? So, >> okay. >> All right. I can work with with Jasper. >> Jasper will >> craft it and I'll sign it. Sure. >> Okay. And it's good to know. Thank you, Michael. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, >> John. All right. Um so next we have um no one signed up under persons to be heard. So we'll move on to um consent agenda items. Are there any you wish to remove? Hearing none. Then they will consist of approving our work session meeting minutes from November 3rd, 2025. Approve our city council regular meeting minutes from November 3rd, 2025. a resolution to approve claims. And D is a resolution to approve a simple a simple subdivision between 6560 and 6580 South Bay Drive. E is a resolution to approve a lift station control panel replacement at lift station number four and lift station number six. F is approve A2S SCADA task order number 0126 for consulting services for control panel replacement at sewer lift station number two and G is approve A2S SCADA task order number 0226 for communications upgrade at flow station number 14 and then H is approve an amendment to data storage service sharing and government's agreement. Is there a motion to approve consent agenda items? Before we do that, I just had a question on H maybe of the chief. Okay. >> Um, Henipin County wants to be involved. Will will they then share information with you too or how is that going to work? >> Yeah, great question. Um, and they definitely will be sharing it. Um, the genesis of this is a lot of us are on the same records management system, but they own all of our information. So if [snorts] um two of these departments Henipin sounds like they're going to go with a different report writing system. So this would be a mechanism for us to be able to still see their information without belonging to their particular um report management system if [clears throat] yeah it'll be shared amongst all of us. So good question. Thank you. >> Okay, good question. So then is there a motion to approve consent agenda items A through H? >> Thank you Mr. Vicky. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Govern. Any further questions? Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. I. >> I. All those opposed. Motion passes. 50. So, we'll move on to our business items and we're going to start out with um a motion uh to deny the preliminary grading agreement request for North Point at Holstead Bay. And is that Allison or >> Yeah, I can. Do you want to take that, David? >> Yes. Thank you, Madame Mayor, members of the council. Yeah, we did receive a request for a preliminary grading agreement for the North Point uh development at H Hallstead Bay. As the council may recall, they received a preliminary plat approval back on August 4th of 2025. Um, under the terms of that approval, they have until January 31st of 2026 to submit the final plat approval. So, just for context, that's three more [clears throat] council meetings is what we have left. there's there's three council meetings for them to get us a final PLA application. Um, and so they have not done that yet and have requested to uh be able to go ahead and grade on that site uh before they submit their final plat application. Um, so we have done these before. We uh it's just in Woodland Cove. We have done preliminary grading agreements uh in in Woodland Cove. This is something that is not um a statutory requirement. There is no city code. It's completely at the discretion of the city council as to whether or not you want to allow someone to to do something like this or not. Um, if it is something you want them to do, as outlined in the staff report, um, as we do with any with the previous ones, we'd ask for a letter of credit in the amount of the public improvements at 150%. And in this case, obviously, it's a pretty hefty tree preservation uh requirement that would be uh have to be submitted because um ultimately pretty much majority of the trees are getting uh removed from the site. Um so we'd look for that that money as well before any uh grading were to continue. And then the biggest bigger item here would be the satisfaction of the city engineer review memo um which is also in your packet. You can see there's several pages to that. Um we certainly want um from an engineering standpoint to know that uh what what uh the plans are up to snuff and what they're going to do um will ultimately complyations. Um so with that can stand for any questions. I believe the vestibial is full of the uh applicants. Um so someone wants to go get them if you want to talk to them but uh that's Dean out there right now. So um they are here just not in the council chambers. Okay. >> Can I ask a question before they come in? [clears throat] What if we agree to let them do it? What's the downside other than it's all clearcut and cleaned out? Like what's the downside? I mean, obviously erosion. I get that water will run, but like beyond that, what >> um >> I mean, if they clear cut it and then their plat's not approved, they still can't do anything else. They've just cleared it [clears throat] all for someone else to later buy the land and do something with it, >> right? Yeah. And I think you're going to have a quite a bit of neighborhood opposition to that. I can only imagine that, you know, they clear the site and just, you know, go away and now you got weeds and runoff and all of that, um, occurring with the site. So, um, I can only imagine you're going to hear, you know, if that were to happen, you're probably going to hear a lot from the neighbors about that. >> But if there if it would be an upgrade. >> Well, my question is, so the they'd have to give us basically $400,000. they'd have a incentive not to just because if they walk away, >> keep the line of credit. >> How does that work? >> We would keep we'd keep the money for the trees. The line of credit we'd give back. We'd ultimately expire. >> Okay. >> It's just a letter of credit that we're holding. >> Okay. >> So, we would really have no funds with which to improve the public improvements, >> right? You know, the question is, you know, Yeah. >> How much of that is the trees then? I guess is the of the 400? How much of that is >> That's all trees. >> Oh, so we would we would keep all of that. >> Oh, well that's >> Yeah, >> that's a substantial amount of money if they decide to walk away. >> I I would approve it. >> I would really oppose that. >> I would oppose it. [clears throat and cough] >> Few issues crop up with them. And of course, we've had a number of other attempts to develop that land. And it seems like if it was clearcut that that kind of appalling to me, but uh uh I I just think we need to see more from them before we >> I mean they haven't even given us their final thing. >> I get that, Peter, but they're like trash trees. They're not like beautiful. >> No, not all of them. Well, >> I know, but are they going to >> I guess I don't know enough about what they're cutting down. Well, and I I guess I'm looking at it like if they do walk away, wouldn't it be more appealing to some other developer if it's all clearcut and ready to just put in the infrastructure and start working? >> Yeah, >> I wouldn't think that's had much effect on the previous >> The problem the problem is the problem is if they walk away then um we don't know what a new different developer would want to put there. So, we can't even put in the storm water infrastructure. We can't do we can't put in the public infrastructure because we don't know where to put it. And so then we're sitting there with a vacant lot with storm water runoff into the properties that are on that are south of it. I mean it it could be a nightmare and who knows how long it could sit looking like that and we we can't we can't put in the storm water ponds because we don't know what's going to go there if somebody else comes and does a different type of development. And to to that point, I guess just to point out, one of the major issues here that's been repeated over and over and over again from the city engineer is that they need soil samples as to where these storm water infiltration basins are going to go. As we all well know, where clay, our city is built on clay. And so there's a strong chance that what we suspect that they're not going to be able to put these kind of ponds in these areas. And so that likely either they're going to have to do soil corrections or they're going to have to revamp the plan probably. >> Correct. >> Um and so there's there's huge risk in that right now just from an engineering standpoint. >> Right. It's strange that they're showing some of these things for sale already. >> Right. >> All right. So you're kind of coming late to the party. Um we've been discussing your issue here. So, if you have one representative that would like to say a few words, I would like to say do so now. >> Dean. >> Oh, we already >> you are up already. >> That was fast. I thought the meeting started at 7. >> No, 6:30. 6:30. >> My absolute apologies. They're all sitting out there. >> That's okay. >> So, my apologies. I didn't realize everyone told me seven. So, I thought, oh, I got here 50 minutes early. So anyway, my name is Dean Devolus, DJ Architecture, 333 Washington Avenue North. Uh we're here to discuss obviously Halstead Bay and uh we have a request obviously that we'd like to receive a early grading permit for the project and the primary reason why is just for tree removal and stumping. And the reason why we're requesting at this time of year is the most optimal time in term of presenting uh spread of diseases amongst trees uh ground disruption because the ground will be frozen operational uh efficiencies and basically the care is why requesting that portion of it just in working in other developments that I've learned that if you're going to deal with tree removal winter is a time to do it because you have the minimal of disease spread, minimal of tearing up the soil. Uh minimizes damage of the trees and roots because the ground is stiff, frozen, so you're not compacting root systems of the of the remaining trees. You're not spreading disease and you're not tearing up the ground where spring is particularly a brutal time to do that because you really risk soil disruption uh issues as part of that. So that's the primary reason of the request. We're working on a major project in downtown Victoria, Victoria West, in which the city requested that we do the tree removal now for the same very reasons and that was sort of the base of that development of even a larger scale and it's on a lake also uh some components. So that's the main basis of of the request we put before you. Yes, there's items that we just received that need to be completed on it. And so what I'd like to have the request to be as opposed to dial either two options like proposal council one is either a continuence that we come back and show the uh completion of the uh comments uh put forth uh number one uh uh as a possibility or approval with conditions that no permit issued until we complete the items that have been so expressed uh on it and what that would allow us a good chance to step into the site to uh complete the u items over the winter because by the time we complete it the ground will be frozen hard and it'll be optimal time to allow that occur. So that's we're not doing this as a method of of uh bisecting or bypassing any items or requirement but it's just the best method of proceeding with the development given the nature of tree removal and the nature of working with arbor is what they recommend that if you're going to do tree removal now is the time to do it. So that's a basis our request for that. >> Let me just clarify if I could. So, you're saying um you're not asking for a uh a grading uh you're asking for tree removal only. >> Removal and stumping only. That's it. >> And you said um one of your options would be a continuence maybe to our next meeting which would be on December 8th, whereas you could bring back all of the requirements that staff has put forth and you're fairly certain you could you could do that then? Yes. >> I'd rather do that than give you all kinds of conditions. you might as well bring back the conditions that staff has set forth already. >> Yeah. And we're okay with either method. That's why I give the choice because given the time and my apologies, everyone told me 7 o'clock. So Sheldon, if if I'm allowed other speakers, I was going to ask Sheldon just go through the detail of what we're completing so we can really demonstrate to you and then I'd ask Tanya to speak uh briefly that cut. Everyone's going ahead. So they like to see this. There's other reasons beyond our finally wrap up with uh Robert to conclude. So if I can have permission uh I could stop unless you have any questions of my comments. But all we're asking for is simply tree removal and stumping because that's the best time to do this and if it continues as the option we're comfortable with that. >> Okay. So thank you. >> Thank you gentlemen. Please go ahead. >> Miss Merit and rest of the council and staff. Um, and I and I think one of the reasons why we're requesting this is some direction that we've gotten from staff relative to the final plat. We are in the process of that. We've submitted revised plans to the city engineer and to Nick uh in the plane um department. Um we did that back in October. October 20th we sent that in. Um but then with a request for review and comment, we didn't receive that until the 12th. We forwarded um a response to that, but it was only predicated on the fact that we had asked for the early grading permit. Anyhow, um I believe Dean stated what we were interested in. Um I think due to the um the time tonight I won't get into a lot of other detail but um part of that rationale is we've also been asked that we could not um submit our final plat [clears throat and cough] um mound was at a equivalent stage with their review. We're expecting today or so um responses back from our submission there. Um they've been pretty um correct. >> We're just for correction, we'd be fine for you to submit your final plat to us at any time because our final approval is not contingent upon mound. I mean, >> madame mayor and council would it's one plat and they have not received preliminary plat approval from mound. So the risk in that they certainly can submit it. That's completely fine. >> The hesitation is if something changes on the mound side, it you approved a final plat. >> Okay. >> So, >> and we can also extend the final plat too. So, just so you're aware of that. >> Sure. Um I mean I guess that's that's quite contrary to the information I had heard from um I should say staff. And we had also offered the fact that we could have the flat divided between the two cities, you know, make it cleaner for everyone, which was rejected in a sense. So, it was um >> I don't think it was rejected. Well, it it >> because we're not going to approve because I I had mentioned that, you know, it's it's obviously everything's going through the county, but we would be keeping the project as far as those items and and the requirements on the miniaturista side are um specifically outlined in in our in our documents. And the same thing is true for the mound side. And so, um, that was information I heard was that they wouldn't accept it and and approve it until mound was further along. So, >> because the way you submitted it is it it's one plat. >> Okay. >> That's the way you submitted it to us. >> Okay. And well, do we present Well, um, >> is there any way they can >> So, we could separate >> separate into different phases. That'd be fine >> as long as it's consistent with the preliminary. >> Okay, that works for us >> because we we we have no say for mound the mound side. We have no say. And so I think as as Mr. Ael was pointing out, if we were to approve the final plat and then something at in mound changed, it might >> change something in Minatrista and then you're kind of back to square one, which I'm sure you don't want to do. So if you want to split the plaid, um that would be fine with us. We we would have no qualms about that. I'm not and you'd have to work with staff or with legal to figure out how to do that. Um so >> yeah, so if if it's timing and you want final plat approval um sooner than later and you don't want it tied to mound, then just split the plat. That's fine. >> So just to be clear, we could do that at this point without having to go back to the beginning. we could just move forward and then >> I think >> use the direction and the information from the preliminary flat to finalize let's just say the miniaturistic side >> and >> I believe so. >> Yeah. Again, without if it does it doesn't change if if nothing's changed on what we've approved. >> Okay. Other than what was requested. >> Right. Right. >> Right. >> Very good. >> Great. >> Good news. Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> All right. Good night. >> [clears throat] >> Madame Mayor, council, staff, thank you for having us this evening. My name is John with Lucid Builders. Um, we're helping on the sales side of things with Tanya and we've taken a lot of requests to see all these sites. Um, the trees have made it difficult in our opinion to kind of describe what's what's going to end up here. Uh we've walked two potential buyers through the what we would call the executive lots and uh they quickly kind of put us off and and [clears throat] said bring us on back when you have uh more grading and and tree coverage removed so we can kind of see what's going on. Um, so we would request respectfully if if you could bifurcate those two of the trees in the grading, uh, we would love to be able to take down some of those trees. And I also think it would help in um, uh, the soil borings for the ponding which is requested because it >> you can do that without removal of the trees. We're we're aware of that. >> Most of the trees, correct? >> You can do that without removes respectively. That's what we would ask is that it would help us in sales. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. >> All right. >> Hi, I'm Tanya Kurt. I'm with Coal Banker Realy and um we're just excited to have motion and things happening up there and getting that tree the tree removal is going to really help us with the um list of um interested parties that we already have going right now. And so, um, like John had said, [clears throat] we did have a couple of buyers come out there and start walking with us and looking. And of course, it's very hard for people to visualize. So, it'll be really exciting as those trees get um moved and action starts happening. And we'd like to hit the ball running. So, come spring, we can start getting those purchase agreements and stuff as you know, we already do have placeholders out there in the development um to start bringing in some of that reservation list. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. Thank you. >> Right. >> That concludes our presentation. Again, just reiterate if uh if we can uh if it continues is what works for council >> and like we said, Dean, we're we're excited to have this project. Um we really do want it to happen. Um as you know, we've had multiple projects come forward for this site. Um but we also have to be cautious and and you need to be cautious because you don't want to put a bunch of money into this and then not have it um come to fruition. So, why don't we continue this until um our December 8th meeting and then bring those requirements that staff has set forth to us. Um the soil borings are important because we need to know if the ponding is going to work. You know that. >> Um and I'm sure your engineers know that. And then if we have all the information we need, I wouldn't see why we couldn't do a a preliminary uh or a um whatever a tree removal and maybe grading. I'm not sure you'll be able to do grading and >> really just ask for tree removal and stumping >> and there'll be some costs involved. So just be prepared. >> You have the he's getting letter. We have the financing arranged for the project. So that's >> okay. >> But that's all in place. So >> Okay, good. That's great to hear. >> Appreciate you that consideration. Thank you so much, >> Mayor. Thank you. >> All right. So, we'll see you back here on the 8th. [laughter] >> At 6:30. 6:30. [laughter] >> All right. So, next, uh, we move on to, um, A2S task orders for the Woodland Cove water treatment plant construction observation and the SCADA services. So, um I believe we have Mr. Balmer here with us this evening. Aaron, um or Jasper, who's who wants to do this? >> Yeah, I was going to defer to Gary. He's kind of leading the charge on this. So, he can kind of give a little intro and then I think Aeron's here to answer questions if that's all right. adds. >> Yeah, madame mayor and councel. Um, as you're well aware, you on October 6th, um, we accepted the bids for magnet construction to start construction on the new water treatment plant, Woodling Cove. Um, part of that project is going to, this is a two-part um, ask here. The first part would be for the um, observation construction for the Woodland Cold Water Treatment Plant. Um the second part is the um the SCADA system uh installation programming services for the project. The first part of it which Aaron can probably answer a lot of your questions for is going to be the construction observation while the plant is being built. Um it covers everything that um we can't do in house but leave it to the professionals but it's everything from the concrete pouring to the um the submitt you know checking the submitts the piping everything. So um it's not something we can do in house. Um it takes a lot of different expertise and that's where they come in on this because they do have different staff for the different areas for this. So um I would direct any questions that you have on that side to Aaron. As far as the um mosquito system programming goes, when we did our first two treatment plants, this was incorporated into the quote uh package because um the was the engineering group at that time does does not do SCADA inhouse where A2S is huge into that. They have I believe 37 electrical engineers on staff. Um we've given all our stuff to them now to take care of. Uh we were running into issues with our prim with our primary contractor before um being stretched too thin. We have a dedicated uh staff or I should say they have dedicated two staff members to our needs um for doing our any of our troubleshooting any of our questions and stuff like that. And it's been really nice um to have somebody that's reliable in this. So, as far as that goes, um, you know, when we're talking with the SKA system, we talking the control of everything in the plant from chemical feeds to start pumps to, uh, opening and closing valves, uh, monitoring the amount of chemical going in the, um, uh, I mean, everything you can think of in a water treatment plant, the skate assistant controls and monitors so that we can do um, you know, for every month we get the reporting on how much chemical went out and, you know, how How much water went on? How much should we pump? It monitors everything. Um I I should have taken and put the the picture of it in there, but the cabinet is probably 4 feet wide by 8 ft high by 2 feet deep. And it's what do you think's in there? Thousand wires, if not more. I mean, it is a lot. I mean, everything's numbered. I It would take you forever for I mean, these guys can figure this stuff out, but all these numbers go to all the certain different things. So for us, I mean, this is a functional um thing we need. Um as far as um that goes, I I you know, there's nothing that we, you know, we could have added in somebody else do it, but if they're in house doing it, it's much easier for that. Um like I say, if you want to open up any questions for your that we'll let Erin >> Before Erin answers that, let me ask a question. And this might be more for Sarah. Um, Miss Insala, um, would you have to go out for bid for that for the for the SCADA services or is that something? >> Uh, [clears throat] madame mayor, members of the council, I believe these would be professional services under the competitive bidding law, which you are allowed to contract with whoever you would like to contract with, not the lowest. >> Okay. All right. Just for reference. Okay. So, um, do we have questions of the SCADA services? Let's let's start with SCADA services. So, I do have a question for Gary if if I could. Um, will this actually save you and in public works time um because of the reporting requirements and all of that? >> Yeah, we we're putting off updating [clears throat] Excuse me, I don't feel really good today. We're we're updating we're we're putting off updating our computer and our stuff here uh and the reporting system that we track to um to add it into this. So once everything's done, this will make um our reporting so much easier. Right now what we're using the program is not working right. So we're doing everything by hand, putting in everything slowly. Um this along with the new reporting system that they're going to put in will make you know my life easier. will make Adam Hegel who was our water operator's life a lot easier just tracking chemical usage and being able to program everything. It's just going to be that it's just going to make so things life so much easier all the way around. >> Yeah. So with this SCADA system and then the other ones we approved earlier, are we done approving things for SCADA for a while or are there more coming? >> Well, I mean the only thing we'll have is panel upgrades for you know that. But as far as this goes, we'll you know we'll be good for quite a while. I think the last time we updated our system was 20 17 I believe through automatic systems. So we're due for an upgrade, but we will we're pushing this off for another two years just to incorporate all this will also, you know, update our servers. Um it's going to put everything into one place. Right now we have some servers at the salt treatment plant. We have another set of servers at the nurture plant. Everything will be in one housing, one rack, one area um with redundant systems to back it up. So um it just be a lot neater package. It'll be in its own little, you know, basically clean room instead of being out in the lab right now where everything's just full of dust and everything else as as it sits there, you know. So, it it'll be a lot neater and a lot more efficient. >> Okay. >> Is this u ska system is this manufacturer agnostic? So, if if we get a little bit further down and you end up having to change manufacturers for different parts, will that require rework? >> Yeah. Uh so madame mayor members councel um yeah for so A2S provides SCADA services as as a professional service um we do not build pan control panels so we do the programming we can do maintenance um on call services we just don't have a panel shop where we provide that equipment so we we treat it purely as a professional service um but the the project was bid with the control panels and all the hardware being supplied through the contractor uh we simply come out at the end of the construction to do all the programming and work with the integrator that's installing the panels to make sure that they do all the the correct installation. As far as the software, that's really where we focus is working with the city of Minitrista and their staff. Make sure you get the right software and um servers and things operating correctly to run your SKA system, not only at the water plant, but also through your whole water system. The software we use is uh it's a standard off-the-shelf software. I It's I think it's a Wonderware system. >> Wonderware and win 911. >> That's a offtheshelf platform you can purchase um from Wonderware. Uh and we work with with the city to make sure you have access to all >> and that's we we do have um um a license for that. So we are updated every with all the new programming that comes in. We do get that with our with our fee. As far as the hardware system goes, that's where we do run into an issue. I'm not going to lie to you. five years down the road, are we going to use the same components? I don't know. I mean, that's where we're running into a lot of problem with these older panels that are pushing 20 years old. A lot of the components don't fit in them. Um, we can't get the obsolete parts anymore. So, as you know, that's why things are getting updated there. So, but I mean, honestly, am I going to be able to tell you five years from now, well, will we be able to get, you know, the exact same component? No. But we will get a component that's close that can work. I mean, we've have squeezed them into our new panels here or I should say into the old panels. Most of the stuff that we're looking at where, you know, that we've put in like at lift station 4, we put new VFDs in there, which are the soft starts for the motors. Those will be coming out and put into the new panel that we get um because they're expensive and we try to, you know, we'll reuse as many parts as we can as needed. So to that point, I guess one item where A2S is a little unique on the service side. We'd also, you know, we don't sell hardware. So it's it's not we have no interest in upgrading hardware for this city to make a profit. We're here to make sure you have a reliable system and it functions correctly. We have staff that just service Twin C's metro area and that's what they do. They commission new systems and ser serve uh existing systems. So, we're here to make sure that we utilize the infrastructure we have to the best of its ability, but also prepare to replace it when it's necessary. But we're not in the business of uh replacing stuff that's not >> and we have two different electrician um I should say electrical contractors that we use for doing that. We don't just rely on one. We do have two um that we can ask for different stuff. You know, if somebody's busy, we need somebody in a hurry, we can get a hold of the other ones. So, I mean it there we have more than one option, which is nice. Okay. All right. Any other questions regarding the skater system? All right. So, next >> uh so the other task order that's in front of you today is the construction observation and administration uh contract. So, uh Magny Construction, I I just received the signed contracts that I'll bring back uh to them uh tomorrow and uh and we'll issue a notice to proceed for them to start construction. uh with that uh it'll require oversight from AE2S during construction. So uh we'll uh within task order 18 we'll have someone on site about 25 hours a week throughout uh until substantial completion of the project and then a reduced amount of hours from then till final completion. Uh and their primary job is to work with the contractor to make sure that uh the contract uh specifications are followed and things are installed uh per the design. Uh we call it con construction observation because they're really not an inspector. Uh we have thirdparty inspection that does the concrete testing and the rebar testing that is required by the contractor to carry and they'll have uh AET or brarawn or some type of third-party inspector that will do some of that testing. But we work with that that testing firm and the contractor make sure concrete is poured correctly. Uh piping is is installed correctly. Electrical systems are commissioned. So really the intent of of task order 18 is to make sure that the project is built uh per the plans and specifications and our time uh to oversee that. It also uh provides time for our uh engineering leads uh to do the construction administrative portion of this which is reviewing submitts from the contractor working through uh changes in the field uh design adjustments because of you know different equipment alternatives various items. So that's really our our on-site work and administrative work. >> The submittable aspect of it I can truthfully say is probably going to be the most important part to make sure that the components going in match what we need. Um a prime example of this and when we first built the original plants um you know I'm going to admit it we knew nothing about water treatment plants. We've learned a lot over these last eight years. Um, one of the things that we learned that the high m uh the the high service pumps that we installed were actually outdated when they got put in. So, I mean, we're lucky to have have found the parts. We actually bought extra impellers that they had on the shelf because they were outdated. Um, and basically when the guy said when were they put in, he says they were I mean this was 2017. The final um era for them was like 2012 or 13. So, I mean, you know, that's where it's nice. We've learned these things so that we can make sure that they're watching for that from now on and we're not getting or something like that. So, >> that was the contractor that put that >> the contractor put it in. Correct. You know, and but we've learned a lot now from you know what we've had experience with the with these two plants and what we can look for and you know and >> you know have a lot more faith in what what we're putting in. So the the biggest part is going to be launching those submitts and we've conveyed that to uh Ross Merman will be our person that's in there. We've worked worked with Ross now since the uh since the whole start of this. Uh very knowledgeable gentleman and he'll be very thorough on that. He knows what we're looking for. So >> and then [clears throat] um you said 25 hours a week of observation, but then there's other hours behind the scenes if in in office hours. So what do you anticipate that to be any idea with reporting and and meetings and I mean any >> hours excuse [clears throat] me I don't don't know the number of hours off the top of my head but u we did provide kind of a detailed breakdown in the task order kind of shows >> generally how many hours we're allocating and I think we broke it out by year as well okay just so we could see how that time would be spent but so so Ross will be overseeing the construction administration uh Bri will be our on-site representative she'll should be on site 25 hours a And then I'll be in the background making sure everyone's doing their job. >> Okay. >> And there'll be some weeks I'm sure that'll like we noticed that last time we did that. I mean if the weather's bad, they're not out. If they're not doing anything at the plant, we don't have an inspector standing there. So >> So it's built on an hourly not to exceed. [clears throat] >> Correct. So I'd be hours while they're out there, which >> Yeah. >> because 3,200 hours is extreme. It seems kind of ridiculous as we have an engineer on staff. Well, the other thing I I I will point out is whoever designs this needs to be responsible for it. So that's why the A2S needs to be there um overseeing it because otherwise there's fingerpointing which is you know well who's who's responsible or who who who failed and and that kind of thing. So, um I I just think whoever designed this, who's ever in, they need to be there obser observing and making sure things get installed and built correctly. That's just >> And just to give you kind of a comparison in back in 2017, we had full-time 40hour week for two years. >> Yeah. >> So, that's over 4,000 hours we had there. Plus, not only do we have, but at that time, they also hired WSB to Overwatch. Yeah. >> Yeah. And we still have lots of issues. >> What's that? >> And we still have lots of issues. >> Yes. And so I mean, you know, so in comparison, I mean, I I feel that this will be a lot better fit for what we're what we're doing here. >> Well, water plants are unique infrastructure. oftentimes um even the building department for a city then the inspectors for the building department don't have the depth of understanding of a facility of that type to do the full inspection which is why it's it's oftent times best for us to have someone on site doing that. >> So I'm looking at your breakdown of all the hours and the prices and everything and the billing rate changes each year. Why are we not locking in at the rate when we start the project and basically paying 15% more per hour by 2028? So it's pretty common practice that the end of every year uh our rate sheet gets adjusted >> to per inflation I guess >> but should be tied to the project not I mean we're >> no not not typically typically uh every year our standard rate sheet will adjust um to follow general inflation uh there's adjustments within each rate some are some are more some are less but um we try to project that adjustment in the budget we prepare So, we're being transparent with what we would expect those adjustments to be. We don't know what those adjustments are going to be yet. Um, but that's would generally hold the percentage uh to try to anticipate that. >> And again, this would be the maximum. I mean, it might be less. >> So, so the budget is based on ours. So, right, we're expecting >> but your hourly rate are going to change is what you're saying. our hourly rate. We have a the projected rate for say Bri who will be on site for every year that shoe will be budgeted to be on site and we bake in a little bit of uh inflation on that rate >> uh >> because we know that our rates will change over time. So again, we're just being very transparent with our budget that we know our engineering rates >> change every year >> which is per I guess per standard. >> Okay, that's your standard. That seems like a pretty high increase from the start of a project to a finished project that you're raising your rates 15% over it. >> Uh usually I think we budget four to 5% a year is usually what we estimate again because we don't know. Generally our our overall rate sheet won't increase by that much but some may or may not just depending on >> but you you're going to actually be billing us the actual inc. I mean, so let's say the rate is $55 an hour for 2026, but then in 2027 it's a 4% increase. So X number of dollars, but you're not going to bill us for 15% increase. >> No, we will bill the rate for that year. >> Okay. >> The cost wouldn't exceed this 1.4 million, >> right? >> Yep. Yep. So the okay the cost right now assuming the project is you know ends on the substantial completion date and the final completion date uh the the fee that's in front of you is the hourly ought to exceed >> okay >> for that work. So if our rates are slightly >> you're not going to go over and then come back for more money like last time >> if our rates are slightly more or less uh we don't make any adjustments to the budget for that. is budgeted. We will bill our standard rate for that year and the year the work happens and and our the contract that's in task order 18 is the budget for >> Okay. Um and then I just have a question for staff. I think I know the answer, but I might as well ask it. Is there anything in the task order that A2S is doing that we could do? >> I'm just asking. I I'm going to say no just for the fact that well I mean it it like Jasper touched on it's more that >> the factor of if something goes wrong it's the fingerpointing that could happen if something that we say yep it's a goal um and it turns out that it shouldn't have been you know who who's to blame now I mean can we you know can we go after them no it was on us so this way that if they screw up guess who's fixing it Yeah. >> Okay. You don't notice. >> I got another question for Erin. Um, so in the task order, it says the post construction phase services may commence during the construction phase and and if not otherwise modified and the task order will terminate 12 months after the commencement. So that's basically the warranty period, >> right? >> So what date does that start on? Final completion July 1st or all work completed December 31st? Um when you say all work completed so all work is not >> well you've got so you've got substantial completion but [laughter] you have substantial completed he might probably has good eyes [clears throat] >> not yet so on page nine it says substantial completion January 31st 28 final completion July 1st 28 all work completed by December 31st 28 the reason I'm asking is because I want to make sure that the warranty period extends through one entire summer season of using this plant so we can fully see how it works, fully see how it's operational, >> right? >> So, so warrant warranty period. Um, so I understand the confusion. So, uh, in the contract that the contractor signs, the warranty period starts when the city has benefit beneficial use of the facility, which is typically substantial completion. Okay? >> So, you're able to operate the facility and that's when the warranty starts because you're using the equipment that was provided. Um, so we provide uh our our post construction warranty services start on the date of substantial completion. We do understand there's a little bit of an overlap there where we give the contractor a little bit more time between substantial and final to do um you know small items clean up um various things. Um, so that would be from substantial that I think final is early spring of 2028. I think maybe June. >> July 1st. July 1st. Yeah. >> Sorry. Um, so we'll still have someone participating in the project to make sure that is completed. So really there's it's just the gap from July 1st to the end of 2028 where we would have uh warranty services where we wouldn't have anyone on site, but that's included in the contract. >> Right. So it says 12 months. I want to know if we can extend that to like 18 or 24 given the issues we had with the last plant with things not necessarily running right and nobody checking. >> So [clears throat] the the warranty period with the contractor was part of the bid. So the 12 months >> well like with your warranty to check stuff because I'm reading this as part of your test order. >> Sure. So I guess my recommendation would be uh we also are I guess working with the city through a general services agreement uh all kinds of things water related. So uh we're not going anywhere I hope. Uh so that the end of 2028 if you need additional support we'll provide that. We're we're here. We don't just hand the keys and walk away. We're here to make sure that facilities uh well maintained and operating and works well. So we're extension of staff. >> Well I get that. I just don't want you to come back and say we'll do this but we want another you know 300 thou an x amount of money. So basically where it says past 303 one-year warranty inspection. I I would I would hope we could get that extended. Maybe I'm the only one on council that feels that way, but >> yeah, I mean, if we want to delay it or or do it at a later date, I mean, that's >> not a problem. It's again, we have we have a general services agreement. If we need to do additional work later, we would just work through through it that way. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, it wouldn't cost more. I'm not sure. I [laughter] >> saying it's included in our contract. If it's additional scope, [laughter] >> if there if there's additional scope, then we would add that through the general services. If it's just delaying that inspection to be at a different time later. >> Well, yeah. Because I mean, if it starts January 31st, like that, that's not prime usage for a new water treatment plant. So, I mean, >> so if you'd rather get through a full summer, >> my only concern would be that once you've crossed that one-year window for the contractor, you now lose the ability to come back. So, we I would strongly encourage us to do the the final the the warranty walkthrough prior to the 12 month uh kind of window expiring uh so you catch anything that does need to become a contractor warranty. >> So, this is under similar to what we had before, but it's um on plan startup and official run date. >> Correct. And and that's typical because you're using the equipment that's provided, which means the contractor, you need to take occupancy of the facility. So your insurance [clears throat] then applies and the contractor no longer has control of the facility. >> So it's not necessarily January 31st. It could be April 30th. All depend on what it is. That's when the that's when the warranty period will start. >> Yeah. Right. >> All right. And we get one >> we get two years after that, right? [laughter] That's right. >> We went two years. >> That's right. >> All right. Yeah, there you go. I >> was hoping he'd say yes. I don't. [laughter] >> Um, all right. So, with that, any other questions council has? Otherwise, um, is there a motion approving the resolution? It would be number 101-25 for AE2S task order number 18 for the construction observation services as stated in the said task force um with a cost not to exceed 1,480,496. >> So moved. >> Thank you, Miss Revkin. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Vickery. Any further questions? Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. I. >> I. All those opposed? Motion passes 5. And then I need a motion approving the resolution which is 102-25 for A2SK SCADA task order number four for the SK SCADA services as stated um in said task force for the Woodland Cove um treatment plant at a cost not to exceed $466,98. >> So moved. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Miss Refkin and Mr. Govern. Any further questions? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by I. I. All those opposed. Motion passes. Looking forward to a completed plant. >> All right. Thank you. All right. Um I think uh then we have one more item and that is um Gary is asking for approval um for the installation of the drainage pipe on Bayside Lane. And I'll give that to Gary. >> Madame Mayor, members of council, we're sorry for the late um add-on addition to this. Um we had just received the quote this week and we're looking to get your feedback on this as um time is of the essence to try to get this done. Um back in October um the residents at both the 905 and 925 made us aware of some drainage issues um they came in um and talked to us about it. Uh the the person at 905 has um sold their house so that is no longer on um our agenda, but the 925 Bayside Lane um was the one where back in 2002 the city they had come to the city um with some complaints of the water and the city opted to um install a pumping system at their house. Um this is documented in their property file and it shows that the council approved the work. Um so that's why we've come back to you to talk about this. Um the system that was installed um the pumping system that was there is no longer functioning because the pipe with the trees has uh the info the roots have infiltrated it cracked the pipe so it no longer works. It's also very expensive for them to keep replacing basically some pumps and keeping heat in a shed um where this was done um back in 2002. just never should have been done this way, but it was. So, you directed us, myself and Miss Folski, to look at some different options um to do that. One of the options was to connect to a existing storm pipe in the backyard um of 880 Jennings Cove. We [clears throat] looked at that and was thinking it was going to be a great option. Um but due to elevations and um you know there's not enough drainage between the two sources for that we feel comfortable that this will work. Um the other factor is um the and then the second option was if what if we bore a pipe um there to the catch bases front we can have a little bit of more fall but we run into an issue with on a real heavy rainfall which you know we seem to get these all the time but you could get that big one where the the search charge on that pipe could back up into their pipe thus not having drainage and flooding their basement. So the other [clears throat] factor as we were looking at this stuff was to pump um to to pour a pipe all the way to the pond location owned in our city park at Jennings Park. Um this gives us great elevation. Um we talking to the contractor that was there um who came highly recommend it and did some checking with some other people too and they know their stuff. He's confident that he can make this work. So, it's it's a long it's a long steady stream. We've asked um Sarah to draw up um with Kenny and Graven to draw up an easement agreement and with this um with the property owners there that if this goes in and they decide they want to do this, there's still a slim chance that you know with that pond backs up, their pipe could back up, but it's in there this thing would be signed before any of the work would go. This pipe would become theirs responsibly for maintenance. the city would own it because it is through the easement. Um we, you know, we would talk to both the neighbors where the drainage easement exists now to you know so their understanding of it. But once this project's done, the city washes their hands basically to this whole thing. So I mean it is this is the only [clears throat] time that this would be, you know, done. Um, so we asked the contractor for pricing. Um, you know, for it, came back and I think it's a great price. 21,000, you know, $170 is really I didn't think bad because when we first asked people, they were going anywhere from $18,000, which was this person was the lowest bid, up to 40,000. Of course, it was guesstimates, but I mean, I I think for what we're looking at, >> um I think it's well worth the city to have them do this, get it done, and basically wash our hands to this situation. >> And the property owner at 925 is is willing to sign that agreement then. >> Correct. That's Well, if we get approval for this, you know, we would go and talk to them, make sure, you know, that they're in agreeance with this. And if they are total agreement with it then we can you know get them signed off and then we can proceed with the project. If they are not then >> basically I guess we have no other options and we're not you know >> then we don't do anything. Yeah. No I agree >> and this is going to go into the pond that we talked about during the work session and need >> No, this is the one that's right in the park itself. >> It's right next to the park. My only question is does that park have capacity? >> Yes. >> Okay. because and actually when we were there, we were actually talking about um this actually came up because we're actually looking we'd like since that park was redone, we're having a hard time getting the um turf established there because there just there's no water out there. Everything's on wells out that way. We actually thought about maybe having um WSB do a little research, see if that pond, if we could dig it deeper to actually have water storage capacity and for that for irrigation. um you know so and this would contribute to you know helping with that too. So it's uh >> okay >> it could be a win-win for every for everybody. >> Okay. >> All right. Sounds good to me. >> Yep. >> I think we should do it. >> Questions. All right. So then is there a motion to approve the quote for installing drainage pipe for 925 Bayside Lane, which is city project number 08-25 with a condition that this um as Gary pointed out um the property owner sign off on future how would you ownership or >> we own it. They do the maintenance. >> Maintenance. All right. So move. >> Thank you, Miss Lacy. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Vicky. All those in Any other questions? >> Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. I. All those opposed. Motion passes. So that concludes um all of our business items, administrative items. Before you steal my thunder, I just want to say don't forget about the uh tree lighting event. And I would like to ask um since you and you are kind of part of the WCC, I noticed that they gave um they sent out an email for the mound tree lighting. Could they send out an email about the Minatrista tree lighting since we're part of the WCC? >> All us Christians. [laughter] I think Betsy Brady usually sends out those emails. >> Good [laughter] ones. Love it. Um, okay. That that was my comment. So again, reminder, um, it's December 4th from 5 to 7. Santa will be there at 5:30 and tree lighting >> fire. The flyer will be sent tomorrow. >> Okay. And uh there'll be bonfires, there'll be a wine and beer tent, fireworks, etc. It'll be a lot of fun. So, please come. Okay. Now you can do your report. >> Oh, well there you took half of mine. Um [laughter] so, uh the only other thing I had was just a reminder that the next meeting that we have is a little bit non-conventional. It's the second Monday. So, it'll be instead of December 1st, it'll be December 8th. So >> at 6:30 >> at at 6:30. Um and that'll be our It's a pretty big meeting. It's our budget meeting. So if everybody can be there. If you're not going to be there, just let me know. >> Oh, and then are we I'm not sure. I haven't confirmed it yet, but we might have the sixth grade students again that um were the top. But yeah, mayor of the day essay. So that might that that'll be a lot of fun. So >> all right. Anything else? >> No. And I will uh get Betsy. >> Yes. So you're gonna do it? Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. >> All right. Anything else, David? >> Is there a meeting? Um, who's going to be Peter? Okay. >> All right. Great. Um, any other staff reports? Hearing none. Um, council reports. >> Second one. Go ahead. >> Okay. Um, I attended the mound fire meeting, not the >> fire committee meeting, right? >> Mound fire commission meeting. Just mound. Funny enough, we did spend about half the meeting talking about the fire district and the pension. plan. Uh the district meetings were agreed to be cancelled until January. So there will not be any district meetings in November or December. >> Um the big issue is still the pension payouts monthly and then preventing which is preventing the pension plans from merging on that. With regard to Mount Fire specifically, uh projected calls for 2025 are at 804. The 5-year average is about 718 of which 37% are fire and 62% are medical calls. Mhm. >> The big news from the meeting is that Mound will likely have a new chief by July 1st. >> And there will also be a new deputy chief um starting then too. That was approved in the budget. Um no clue as to who will be taking those positions, but they're working on that. Um the end [clears throat] of the meeting was mostly discussing the call types and how to decrease the medical only calls. um commission members felt it would be beneficial for the chief, the mayors and the police chiefs to have a discussion about when the police are calling for fire instead of just directly calling EMS. More so an issue um with the other police department that helps mound, not ours. [snorts] So just putting that out there. He has good things to say about our officers and how we respond. Um also discussed the possibility of um billing residents for lift assist. Um, chief did share an ordinance with us which I believe he was going to be sending to the cities. Did he do that yet? No, >> I I haven't seen it yet, but I can check in. >> Yeah, just check with Vicki. And um again, commissioners thought that would be helpful to possibly deter some of the calls that not necessarily Jasper and I just talked a little bit while he was talking about that maybe in our city it would be like the first one or two are free and then after that you'd pay because we don't get a lot of repeat offenders like some of the other cities do. So that was the big thing. Next meeting for that will be February 5th and I have a St. Bonnie fire meeting this Thursday at 7 that I will be attending. >> Oh, thank you. >> Miss the January fire commission meeting. >> I I can be there, I think. >> Okay. So, can I go? >> Yes. >> Yes. Um, the West Tanka Community and Commerce is retooling their whole deal and starting January 1st, they will be connect West Tanka. They're going to try to connect. They have kind of a wonderful logo with a bridge with a W, which looks like a bridge because there's lots of bridges all over West Tanka. And what they're trying to do is bridge um communication between um commerce uh nonprofits, education, all the different sectors of our community. And I found out something. So uh and the prices are going up drastically because they found that they looked into joining like Celsius or Minnotonkas or Weisetta's um chamber of commercees and and the fees are about $450 and up. So they were charging like 75 for a nonprofit and 125 for um commercial business, but um they're way below um the average. So um they are raising the prices substantially, but they're taking on um Plaid Moose, which is a marketing company to really help market these different um activities going on throughout our communities. Um the the bottom fee will be $200 a year. Um, I'm a little concerned because only like 27 people have paid their fees. >> Pretty small town. Yeah. >> So, we'll see if we can get more people to actually pay. Um, but it looks like they've got some young, interesting, exciting, talented people that are going to be trying to reboot this whole thing. So, that's kind of the big news there. Um, and the Gillespie Center, I think I told you their 25th anniversary was a sellout. It was wonderful. Well attended. Everyone had a great time. They raised a nice amount of money. So, things are going well with Gillespie Center. Thank you. >> And that's it. All right. Anything else? Do you have a meeting? Are you going to be at the Thursday meeting >> uh for Pine New Creek? Okay. um Northwest League, we had um Henipin County um um actually soil and water resource um person there and um basically talked about trees and uh and so I talked to staff, you know, there's tree grants available and so on so forth and so maybe in the future we'll we'll um [snorts] apply for some of those grants. So, >> Madam, we did actually um >> Brendan and I had talked and I had Brendan do we actually applied for uh $200,000 worth of tree replacement through um a grant for asht tree removal. So, we'll see if we get it. >> Okay. >> This would be able to any of the trees that we've removed presently and any of the future trees and yards um from boulevards um would be able to be replaced through this grant. >> Yep. Okay. just on city property or just on city property or >> we would push them off onto their homeowner. We would get them out of the rightway and onto their own property. That be the caveat for the whole thing. We don't want them on our We don't want to deal with them anymore. [laughter] >> Okay. Well, keep us posted on that. And so, um and then the next one coming up will be interesting because um it'll um include five representatives. um the um um our representatives and then there's um two representatives in the northwest area that um Danny Nadoo and Christine Robinson and then also uh Liur is their senator. So it'll have all five people there. So it'll be um interesting. So but and then I'll um I think we have a Zoom meeting with um Anne Johnson Stewart and I also have another Zoom meeting with the LMC. >> We do. We don't have it. We don't have it yet. >> Okay. Well, one is going to be scheduled. Anyhow, that's it. Um, we can be adjourned if there is a motion to adjurnn. >> So, move. >> Thank you, Miss Revkin. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Ryan, the governor made that second. All those in favor signify with I. I. >> All those opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Um, David, don't leave. I just want to ask you something.