We don't have very many. So >> call to order planning commission meeting September 22nd 7 pm. New camera looks better. >> We're good. >> Uh first item agenda the agenda is approval of the agenda. Can I get a motion, please? >> I move to approve the agenda. >> Second. >> Thank you. All in favor? >> I >> I >> Oh. Um you guys move fast. Um, we do have an item to add to the agenda. It's just a business item. Um, >> no problem. Let me jot that down. >> It's um, yes, it it's about um, some property near uh, Gail Woods, Three Rivers is looking at making a purchase. So, as part of the process when a public agency um, seeks to buy um, private land, we have to basically give it the okay. So, >> it's not part of the packet. >> It is not. It kind of came together after the packet was >> you you'll review the >> I'll I'll I'll prevent for verbally presented to you. I don't have anything prepared otherwise but I'll >> So Three Rivers is purchasing a parcel of >> near Gail Woods. >> Okay. >> Yep. So >> Okay. >> Is the uh motion and second on the amended agenda again? >> Can I get uh approval of the amended agenda? >> I make a motion to approve the amended agenda. >> I'll second again. >> Okay. All in favor for the amended agenda. >> I >> I >> All right, we pass that. Um, second item is approval of the minutes from July because we skipped August. Get a motion, please. >> I'll move approve the approval of the minutes from July 28th. >> I'll second. >> Okay. All in favor? I >> I pass. Um, second item on the agenda is a public hearing. Uh A is going to be for um 3675 County Road 44. Can you tell us a little bit about that? >> Yes. Uh thank you, chair, members of the commission. Um the public hearing on your agenda tonight is a uh setback variance. Um it requires uh variance from both the uh front yard setback, the street side, and from the lakeshore setback. Um the applicants are seeking to um tear down the existing dwelling and a detached garage and in its place build a um new single family dwelling um generally in the same footprint. Um will have a little bit different elevations and such. The plans for that have been included in your packet for you to review. Um, so with that being said, um, taking a look at the standard variance criteria, um, with them putting it back in basically the same spot, it seems pretty straightforward. Uh, the house has been there for several decades, doesn't seem to really cause anyone any issues. Um, so the the new structure, the hopes would be that it would be consistent and the the issues wouldn't uh wouldn't pop up here. So, um feel it it satisfies the variance criteria. Um as outlined in your staff report, um we did send notices to those within 500 ft. This is kind of a unique property. Doesn't have any like immediate neighbor, right? It's got the channel, the lake, etc. There are houses across the street and then uh up in um Eagle Bluff. Um but we did not hear any public comment as a result of our notice. Um so with that being said um planning commission should hold the republic uh required public hearing allow anyone the opportunity to speak. Um once that has passed close the hearing and then discussed amongst yourself um the um the motion that we would uh be looking for here is to recommend approval of the setback variances um subject to conditions in the staff report and based on the findings of fact outlined there in as well. Okay, perfect. If you have any questions of me, um, happy to answer those. Otherwise, we do have our applicant here if there's more detailed questions specific to their project if you have any. Do >> you have a sketch of current footprint in the new footprint? I >> think it's right. >> It's in there. It's in there. Just go bring it up. >> 11 not as an overlay though. You don't right >> two separate sketches. a little bit. I was just curious as if you laid the old overlay on top of the new one, what we'd see as a difference in footprint. >> Yeah. I mean, don't have the best diagram readily available. Um, but yeah, the survey, um, >> piece I can pull it up here. Um, yeah, the kind of where it says proposed dwelling is where the existing house sits and then here is kind of where a garage sits. And there is what will be filled in a void. uh right um here where will be new garage space with the new structure >> but we are moving closer to the water in two dimensions >> um I I don't believe it gets much if any closer to the lake than the current structure sits if you look >> here at the aerial >> um >> I don't obviously this doesn't have any dimensions on it but you know you can kind of see how you So this existing massing is here. Um, no, that's not the one I wanted to do. And then the garage is here. So he basically'll be looking at structure that kind of fills in this area here. So it shouldn't be much if any closer. Maybe the applicant applicant. >> I have a question. >> Illuminate me. >> You want to do that after the public hearing? >> Yes. Okay. Let's open the public hearing and anyone here to speak to that other than the applicant. >> All right, let's public hearing. Um, >> you have them ask questions. They should come to the podium because it's being recorded. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, applicants, can you please come uh to the front? Name and address, please. >> I'm Chris Hagen uh 3275 County Road, 44 Menitista. Thank you. >> All right. >> So, just to my to my other question and roughly what new dimensions would grow from the existing footprint. That's what I'm trying to get a sense for. How far are you going one direction or the other? >> So, on the uh the 44 side, which is the corner of our garage, that's the exact same spot where our current garage is now. >> Okay. >> And the back side of the garage is facing the channel. That's in the exact same spot as well. Okay. And the front of the garage on the street side is the same. Right now, the garage is detached from the house. So, um, we're want to connect the garage to the house. And the new line that continues along that channel. Um, we have a deck on that whole side. And the new house would be on top of the deck, but about three feet in towards the existing house from where the deck is. So, not any closer than where where the current deck is. And then on the on the the channel side, um that bump out itself is about 3 ft closer than where the existing deck is right now. And then there's a deck right on the corner. That's the closest point to the water. And that as well is about 3 ft closer. And then on the the biggest part of the addition is on the right hand side of the house that is adding I believe it's about 11 feet towards the uh towards the north part of 44. Okay, >> I have a question. >> But that area is also 38 ft from the road right away. So that would meet the setbacks as it is. >> I just have a question. I it's it's just it's not it's just a general question, but it looks like the prop the retaining wall I see is being according to the survey there's a there's mention that they're going to be removing portion of the retaining wall, but yet that's not as it looks like on the map. It's not their property. The property line is above the red line is above the retaining wall. So to remove that piece, is that included? Is that >> Well, it looks like it's pointing to a single wall that's just inside the property line. There is multiple walls there, but I'm assuming that I'm assuming the higher up walls aren't being disturbed by the project >> because it says the lower part of the wall will be portion will be removed. >> Lower tier. Yeah, the lower tier is basically right on the property just instead. Okay. >> I mean I that's Google Maps. I wouldn't consider that. >> And the Google Maps is also Yes. >> No, I don't GI GIS maps don't work that well either. I just wanted to make sure that I asked that question. >> It's for the new elevation of the garage needs to go up because to get um for the new building code to be at the 933.5 I believe to get the garage and house to work um the garage has to go up two feet in elevation current floor. And so that is going to eliminate part of that retaining wall that's on the on our side of where the black line is. >> Gotcha. Okay, that's answers my question. Thank you. >> And the uh the home was originally built in what year? >> I'm not sure. Um I believe it was before the 60s. >> Yeah. >> And it's been added on to before we've been there for uh just about eight years. >> It's been there over 40 years. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So any other questions? I just had a question about how when the plows come through if there's going to be any impact with the change in the retaining wall and I don't know since the it'll be attached. It seems like the drainage might not do the right thing getting to the channel. Um you've lived there for a long time. So are you worried about that at all? >> I'm not. The Yeah, that retaining wall is the part that's going to get removed is >> probably about 4 feet below the road level right now. So those retaining walls are going down. >> Yeah. I drove by and I couldn't quite tell how was this. >> Yeah. >> So, all all the the drainage patterns stay the same coming into the driveway and then going down that side. >> Great. It's beautiful. >> Well, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. >> I've watched you mowing out there as I went down the channel. >> I know you're attentive. >> Um, yeah. So, let's have a discussion. >> Any any challenges with this? >> I don't see any. That was Yeah. Nope. >> Other than I'm jealous. >> It's going to be beautiful. >> The packet was comprehensive. Answered all my questions. >> Pretty clear. >> So, um, what we'll do is let me just get that up. >> Um, on page eight, >> say it because I don't want >> Okay. Uh, there's a recommendation one through four. And no, we're not talking about adding any additional >> Nope. >> Recommendations, right? >> So, um, can I get a motion? Um, for >> I I will make a motion to recommend the city council approve the requested front yard and lakeshore setback variances at 3275 County Road 44 based on certain findings of fact outlined in staff report and subject to conditions 1 through 4. >> I need a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay, everyone voted yes. >> Yep. So, this is a recommendation um if reported to the city council at their first meeting in October, I believe two weeks from tonight um for final action and based on tonight, it'll be on consent agenda. So, I wouldn't worry about attending. So, >> I just told them they should just in case. But, but that's up to you. It should it should go, but I'm just saying. >> But you're welcome to come no matter what. >> Come see him in action. >> That's the fun part. >> And you don't have to say for the rest of the meeting. You're good. Yep. >> Congratulations. >> Have a great evening. >> Thank you. >> All right. Um so the next item of the agenda is the amended uh addition. >> Correct. Yep. >> Um so yes um got wind that um the owners here at 6801 uh County Road 15 um approached Three Rivers Park District about selling on land uh to them. And Three Rivers likes to operate on a willing seller basis. They like to um have that. Um >> so it's that parcel right there. >> It's the one highlighted here in this in the blue. So I mean as you can see green all around at Gail Woods. It pretty straightforward for this to be acquired by the park and become part of the um overall uh plan for Gail Woods. >> They were in holding at Gail Woods kind of >> I think they just said >> it was a separate parcel >> separate parcel and they had just lived there for I don't know how long and >> they were surrounded by Gail Woods on three sides. Correct. >> Lovely Gail Woods belonged to um Leona Gale and it was there. So, and it was a farm, right? >> So, at some point time they probably um subdivided. It's probably like three acres is my guess. >> This is a acre and a half of this one here. >> And so, what happens in the egg district is you could subdivide a certain little parcel and put a house on it like for a family member or whatever. Well, that might have happened who knows how many years ago. >> Ago. Yeah. So maybe that's why that separate little parcel is there. So when Gail and Alfred when Alfred Gail gave this donated it to Three Rivers, then that little parcel was in a different under a different title ownership. >> Okay. >> Well, I'm sure Gail Woods will be very happy to have it. >> Three Rivers. >> The only thing um that makes any kind of a difference, and not much at all, is that it no longer is on our tax records. In other words, they're not taxed. >> Comes off of our tax um >> income. >> They're not taxed now. >> So, the current owner is, but when Three Rivers takes over, they're uh they don't pay. They're exempt. Exactly. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's what's the valuation like 3050, I think, or something like that. >> It's probably 1,500 >> 360 that it's probably Yeah. Maybe $1,000. Well, on a seven million >> and they pay 3,200 and 3,300 in taxes, >> but that's that's >> that's that's overall. That's the city portion of that is >> far less. >> 24 rumors. >> It's about 25% is the city. So, a little over a thousand, not even a thousand. >> Just so you know, if anybody asks you, you say, "Yes, we we did discuss that. We we're aware of that." But the minimal um amount of tax that we get from this parcel is is so modest and it's going to be made up by the growth in Woodland Cove. There you go. >> Yeah. Yay us. >> Well, and Gail Woods is such a gem in our community. >> Yeah, it is. >> They're such good stewards of the land. >> I like the idea of allowing Gail. >> They didn't have to sell to Gail. They could have sold. That's kind of cool. >> And they're not interested in expanding right now. This this parcel just makes seems like an ant situation. >> Yeah. >> So, does it get written over to Three Rivers then right away? >> Yep. Do the transaction. Yep. >> They'll have to go through a closing. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All that good stuff. >> Yeah. Like I said, I mean, we're just >> What What actions are you going to ask this? >> Yep. I was going to explain a little bit. Yeah. So, we're The reason we're doing this is that we're statutoily required to do that. Um, so you as the planning commission are the planning agency. You report to the city council. So basically, it's just a motion to recommend the city council adopt a resolution of support for the purchase of uh 6801 county road 15. >> I would make a motion that is consistent with >> make a motion that says exactly that. >> Please get a second. >> I'll second. All >> in favor? >> It'll come to this this >> which lake is that city and then the city has to >> it's called Lake Flanigan. I'm not sure. It's >> by I don't >> They were on Whale Tale or part of Whale Tail. >> No, they do. Whale tails over here. >> That's overwoods is on on Wheel. >> I was Yeah. >> Yeah, it's on Whale. >> Oh, I see. There we go. >> Okay, now I'm trying to get Yeah, >> that's where it all fits. >> Oh, yeah. >> Gale Woods is about 410 acres. So now it'll be 411 acres. >> That's a good number. >> Yeah. >> All right. We're going to move to the next portion of the uh uh meeting which is the information >> informationational items. >> Um first on that is staff reports. >> Um I don't really have a lot. Um we have uh this Friday is our deadline for our October meeting. Um, got a few feelers out there. So, it's quite likely we'll have a an agenda for October. Um, so that'll be the 4th uh, Monday, which I think is like the 27th or something like that. Um, >> so keep that date open on your calendar. Uh, that's really all I have. Um, yeah. >> Awesome. Okay. >> I was going to say that. So, there have been some inquiries, but we are kind of keeping it on the lowdown until we get an actual application. >> Fair enough. and uh and Nick and David and uh they'll do a great job if if it comes through reviewing it and you'll see it in October. >> We're running out of um lots in Woodland Cove. >> So um it would be good if we had some more development um on coming online for next year. Um the Hallstead Bay Project, that old trailer court. >> Now are we to the council report or staff report? >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> No, I'm good. I'm good. We're on the council. >> Okay. So, we're going to move to the next item on the agenda. Council >> report. >> We're all friends here. >> Our chair keeps us >> We're going to move we're going to move the council report. >> I have a question about the Woodland Cove thing though. Are there more? So, I know that there's there's a new place going in right on Kings Point right across from Mac and Tons. But isn't there a whole development behind Mackintoons that's going to have spots? >> There is a lot there. because I know they're owned by >> commercial lot. >> It's a it's a C I believe, right? Out, isn't it? >> Outlet C. It's outlet C. Yes, it's outlet C. >> Initially talked to a daycare. >> Yeah, that was initial thought. So, that obviously did not materialize. >> The other the other part is um correct me if I'm wrong, but there's also a commercial lot across from >> Yeah. Right. But the town homes right there, >> right? >> I thought that was all settled. >> And so that's No, that one's not. There's two outlets in addition to the one being developed right now. >> And then there's one there's one where's Woodland Cove. See see right there where his mouse is. >> Yeah, there's one under construction. >> One's getting done. And then the one right over there, >> one across the street and then the one back here. >> That one's going to be tricky because see gas station. >> The council reports one >> fire station on the corner here. >> Let's build right. >> It's all your floor is yours. >> Okay. So, thank you. Um, so, uh, so that's that's that. And like I said, Woodland Cove has, you know, as as you know, it's kind of running out of lots. So, this would be a nice, um, if if this happens, it would be good. The Hallstead, and I'll kind of give you a little bit of, um, information on the H Hallstead. is um one of the owners of the property came to the city and asked to have a meeting with myself and David and and Jasper because they wanted the city to uh float about a $20 million bond. And we're like, no, that's not going to happen. And uh then then they said, well, you know, we would like you to float a bond uh for the public improvement portion of the project and we need and that's about 12 million. And we said, no, that's also not going to happen. And um and we said there's there's no collateral here. I mean come on this is ridiculous. And we said and we've never been in we've never done this and we're not in the you know in the position to do this now. And then they said well how about three and a half million. All the while they're saying that they have the funds to do this project. So we're kind of scratching our heads wondering why they're asking the city to do this. So we're waiting. Apparently they have the funding. This is what we've been told. Um, and I think you said you haven't heard back from Mound yet. So, >> yeah, I'm not aware of their status with Mound. Mound usually pretty about telling us um when they, you know, when someone submits anything, you know, that might impact us. Um, but have no word from Mound that >> Well, they better not early start anything because the title company will check and see if they've got enough skin in the game. >> Well, >> when they close on the land. >> Well, they own the land. >> They own the land. So they better not they early start and they don't have enough skin in the game because that's what you're thinking. That will be a problem. >> I don't know. They say they have the funding. So I think they might they're just trying to >> just >> they're just trying to see if uh we know what we're doing. >> This is still true. >> That's crazy. >> I told them we had a little bit of experience behind behind their here. So anyhow um so we don't know um we don't know yet anything. We really don't know any more than a couple months ago. They were Don't hold your breath. >> I thought they were ready to jump and run. >> Oh, they wanted to. Yeah. >> Say one thing, do another thing. >> Um, so the other um thing that the council's obviously we approved the plans and specs for um um an authorized um publication of of the uh going out for bids for the water treatment plant. Um then in the last hour after the bids were out and everything, uh some of the uh residents in Woodland Cove were all upset because a road was going to go behind their house that they didn't know about. Excuse me. Hello. Wake up. Anyhow, um and so then we kind of pivoted and we changed the access road and we extended the um the time frame in which to submit the um the plans or the bids. it it delayed it by a couple weeks, but um so we're going to be we were going to open the end of September, but we'll open probably in October now. So that'll be coming to the council for approval or um we'll be awarding the contract hopefully that the bids come in somewhere where we think, but if you are on city water, just be prepared. Your rates are going to go up a lot. So just be prepared. That's why we also want more development. Um oh boy. And uh if they do uh start, they would be starting either this fall, probably this fall, uh late fall, and then um or else even into because they can start anytime almost. Um and um >> is there is there not any consideration on the council and the fact that Metro's water rate is like the highest? >> It's not. It's really not. So here's the thing. We're actually >> It's a perception. We're It's a perception. We're actually lower than Orno and we're right on par with Mound and Mound has crappy water. I mean, really bad water. >> So, how would you like to pay your rates for the water that Mound has. >> Yeah. >> So, just think about that. >> True. >> Um >> Well, then I think I think one thing I'd encourage you guys to uh communicate to what the rates because I mean I'm sure their rates have been going up. >> We've been raising, right? but around the around the comparison the community. I mean, maybe we should we should like >> I've seen that in your newsletter. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, and we'll we'll continue to do that and we're going to be um the back of your water bill or utility bill. You'll be seeing um information. Um it'll be on our website as well. Um, this shouldn't be new news to anyone because we held a um an open house um last year kind of telling people, hey, your water rates >> Okay. So, we're not talking about a new rate increase. We're talking about the old rate increase. You're just reiterating. >> No, we're going to have a a more rate increases. >> Okay. Oh, okay. Gotcha. >> Yeah. And so we'll be we'll be putting that out on our website and also on your utility bills and um I don't know if we'll hold a town hall meeting or not. I I have to talk to staff >> regarding that. Um >> but um yeah, conservation if people are conservative. The other thing we've talked about is doing monthly billings, water billings versus um quarterly. >> What a good idea. Um because that will give you a better idea as to what what your bill is rather than getting huge bill at the same >> I have a question about that as do I >> okay go for you go ahead >> how much would that increase increase our costs >> um it would probably require a a full-time one full-time person so um not a whole lot in in the overall scheme when you think about we have we're probably having to take out about a 20 million or $22 million bond. So when you add a $60,000 employee or whatever it might be, you know, it's not that much. >> And that that that that rate increase is going to be a tiered rate based on that your usage. So >> yes, but every tier is going to go up. >> Right. Right. >> Um so back to the monthly versus quarterly. One of the things I noticed as someone administrative is the quarterly bill comes out which is fine but the ability to go in and pay it if like let's say let's say the bill's due in December and I want to go in and pay something now it doesn't let you. So maybe you keep it quarterly but make the allowance so people can go in and put money toward what they know is coming. Like I've had to call the city and like >> oh >> you know what I mean? Because it just it locks it out. So, like if I log on, I want to My bill's not due yet, but if I want to toss in $150 to where I know what's coming, that'd be cool if I could do that. >> Yeah. The only >> I have to think about. >> Yeah. I don't know if our software can do that. I don't know. Um I'm not involved in that. >> I call I call the water person and she takes my card >> and I can I can add to that when we talk about rates. But um one of like I said one of the things we've talked about is um monthly billing so that people don't get hit with a you know $600 700 bill in a quarter you know so maybe it's going to be 200 300 month or something like that whatever it is >> we've been talking about different things um yeah um possibly having um even doing increasing our rate a little bit but then having everybody pay what we call a um a um one flat fee like it would be for a water treatment fee in other words. So we we've kind of tried to explore different options to make it easier but the more homes the the better it will be. Um >> so is that is that in reference to like an annual component flat fee or kind of like it's just >> it would be either quarterly or or monthly whatever. >> Oh just a one flat fee for >> for the water treatment be specifically. Yeah. >> So, is that considered like a bond or >> No, it's it's just a fee for you. >> Like an assessment >> kind of thing. >> Yeah. But there's no interest in Okay. >> It's just a fee. So, maybe we we do $130 a month. I I don't know. I'm just throwing and everybody pays that because everybody needs a treatment plant regardless of how much water you use. >> Yeah, that would be one. Sarah, >> is that would that fee go towards people who are not on city water as well? >> No. Okay. >> No. So, here's the um >> Have we considered that? I'm >> full disclosure, I'm not on city water, but I live in this city. >> No, you can't because you have to pay for the benefit and if you're not in city water or can't even hook up to city water, which is about twothirds of our community, um you don't have that option. Um I'm certainly not going to pay that for you to have um treated water when I have to I have my own well. I have to maintain my own well. You're right. you have the benefit which is good um to have a well >> then just say well now you have to pay in you you actually legally can't >> got it >> I think the word assessment goes over a lot better for people knowing that we want a water I want a water treatment plant instead of raising my water rates like assessing me for that for that new thing that you're giving us in the city I think that that kind of that narrative is I think better received just my opinion >> again there's some issues with um an overall or an assessment um and that assessment would be pretty high. And the other thing you have to understand is we're building this not just for the current users but also for the future users. So then how do you figure out an assessment not only for the current users but then for future users? And so what we're hoping to true >> what we're hoping to do is we're hoping to have this we're call if if we do it this way I'm not saying we are we haven't finalized it but if we do a fee a plant fee um that would be reduced as we get more homes online. So let's just say it's $130 a month now and then we get another hundred homes then that would reduce that amount because that amount is spread over a hundred more new homes. >> Got it. >> So um whereas an assessment you can't really go back. >> You can't you can transfer assessment to a new homeowner but for new stuff yeah you can't figure that in. >> True. >> That's that's that issue. The other um the other thing we did is we did pass our um preliminary levy. It's at 9.42% um increase and um most of that is again for staffing levels and um and streets and um and capital improvement projects or or equipment. And so we may have to do a little bit of we can't increase it. We can decrease it, but that's happen because of some things that we've found out over the um in the past few months here. But um it won't increase. So that's this coming tax year >> for 2026. >> And then 2025 is a 7 something. >> No, in 2025 we had uh for this year we had about I think a 9%. >> Was it 9%? Okay. they've been um it a lot of it is um because of staffing um in order to stay um relevant and in par with our our um counterparts we have in order to have great staff um we um we need to pay them um appropriately and if we lose our staff because we don't pay them in order to get good qualified new staff we're going to be paying them more. So, and in the last couple years, I know you'd said that the the anticipated cost of the road improvements have have have drast drastically increased over the last few years. >> They have they've kind of leveled out a little bit now. Um, our road improvement projects for this year uh came in just a tad bit under, so we don't know what they'll be doing for next year. Uh, we are going to be bonding for our road improvement projects for next year. >> Um, we're probably going to have to bond around 3.5 million. Um but then of course we have to pay for those bonds obviously. So um we might be uh taking a a little bit of a break in maybe in 2027 we'll be taking slight break from doing major road improvement projects might be smaller scale and then um maybe just more maintenance. Um so we'll we'll be looking at that. Um, we also, uh, brought on, so I don't know if any of you are familiar with Alli Palfus. She was our, um, assistant administrator and, uh, she accepted a job as the administrator um, in Breezy Point. Um, congratulations to her. Sorry for us. However, we've been able to replace her with um, a new lady. Her name is Paula Bowman, and she comes to us with 24 years of experience from Delano. She actually had the same um position that Ally had here before Ally was promoted. So Ally started out here as our um administrative um assistant or administrative director um I don't know whatever that title title and then um we last year we promoted her to be the assistant administrator. And so um Paula comes to us kind of with that same thing. She was had the same title as Ally in Delano and she's now going to be as now our assistant administrator. So, um uh she's she just started October 25 August 25th. I've met her a few times. Um but um she's only been here not even a month. So I'm and staff has given me glowing reports about her. So I'm sure she'll be here for a while and we're really happy to have her. Uh, as you know, um, Chief Falls retired and, um, Lieutenant Squires has taken over. That was back in March, and I've had some interactions with him, and he's fantastic. I'm very glad that we were able to, uh, do that um, transition very easily and quickly because he's he's very good at what he does and it really uh, works well. And then Pat Cummings was promoted to the deputy chief position. So, um we're we're really um glad to have and very fortunate to have that. Um that's pretty much it on the staffing level. We're uh let's see what else staffing uh treatment plant budget roads. Um and then al also in the police department, we authorized a Milo system. If you're f might not know about this, but so there's a there was an empty uh space that was a res initially um we thought we would do a gun range in there, but that didn't work out really well just because of the space and now we've we've used some of it for um for storage. And the other part is it's it's a Milo system. What it is, it's like an it's like you're playing on a computer basically and it comes up. you'd probably like this computer stuff anyhow. So, it comes up with different scenarios and you have to and it's like real life kind of thing. And so, that's almost up and running. It should have been up and running, but there were a few glitches, but um that should be up and running. >> And Peter said last um last two months ago he said that we'll be leasing that out to other departments. Is that correct? >> It it can be. Yeah, it can. Other departments can come in and pay a small fee to to use it. It's a good training tool and it's actually they say it's better than just a gun range because you actually have um different scenarios >> and so they have the vests and all the like body stuff but it's cool. >> Yeah, I haven't seen it yet so I can't >> try it. >> Yeah, but I told them I want to try it. So I said as long as I don't have to have a real gun I'll be fine. Yeah. So, um, so, uh, we'll I'm sure the whole council will go over there during a work session and and, uh, take, you know, be trained or not trained on it, but show us how it works. So, we're kind of looking forward to that. And then, um, just a reminder, please put it on your calendars. We just want people to come to the next, um, December 5th or 6th, I can't remember the date, of our holiday tree lighting event. Um, it should be spectacular again. Uh it was great last year. A little bit cold, so we're hoping for a little bit warmer weather, but we had a fantastic fireworks display. Um >> amazing. >> Yeah. >> December 4th. >> December 4th. Okay. >> December 4th. >> Okay. >> So, please mark it on your calendar. Bring the kids. Santa will be there. Fire trucks. Lighted holiday fire trucks will be there. >> And are they not as the parade done like the fire truck police car parade through the neighborhoods? I don't know. Um that's not We don't do that because it's mound fire or St. Bonnie fire, >> but um if they do if they did it last year, they probably will do it again. I don't know. Um >> I don't think they did it last year, but they did it the previous years and >> okay, >> my neighbors are upset about it. >> Well, they I know they have a lot of requests and so that might be part of it, but um but tell them to come to the holiday tree lighting. >> That's even more fun. It is fun. Um >> it is really There's a wine and beer tent. Wine and beer tent. Um, that's all I can think about. >> Lisa, thank you so much. Your council reports are always so detailed. We really appreciate. >> Yeah, they are very much very full of information. >> Um, it's that time. If there's nothing else, okay, we got a motion to second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Hi. >> And the other thing I would highest um just once in a while, you don't have to do it for every meeting, watch one of our council meetings.