So that you know there's various areas like lot width, lot area, um some setbacks, um things like that. So understand that when you're looking at it, if you feel anything is too much, too little, um certainly points of discussion for the planning commission. [clears throat] Um then looking at at water and sewer, um those items were addressed in the engineer memo. Um hopefully you had the opportunity to read those. um certainly can answer any questions you have um regarding that. Um but the the applicant will be extending um city sewer and water to service this area. Um looking at the next point is streets um within it. I think maybe the big discussion point in terms of of streets is going to be um the segment of Buck Lake Road between the entrance of the development and highway 7 and then that intersection at Highway 7. Um based on the information provided um the the applicant the developer will be improving that section of Buck Lake Road to a rural section um per city engineering standards. Uh they will need to work with the township to make sure that they are okay uh with those standards as well. Um the expectation is that the city would then take on the maintenance of that road going forward plowing and that sort of thing. Um then looking at the intersection um of Buck Lake Road and Highway 7, um in working with our engineers, um it would seem to make um a ton of sense to have a traffic study done of the intersection of Buck Lake Road and Highway 7, uh to see how the proposed development will impact that and what if if any appro improvements will be necessary to that intersection. Uh the developer will have to work with MDOT, get permits through MDOT as well. Um that process is ongoing. Um so obviously depending on what MIDOT says will determine what uh and the traffic study as well, we'll determine what improvements are necessary for um that intersection. And there are things to look at. I know in some of the documentation provided by the uh developer and it will depend on minot as well but the option of adding a secondary ingress egress right in right out along it's I believe it's labeled outlot f in the documents um so that could be a point of discussion obviously mindot will have to approve that entry point as well but that's something to to look at um the next item is tree preservation um in your staff report I did uh break down the table of the total significant inches on the site, what they would be allowed to remove and what they would be required to replace. Um, based on the information, I believe they're going uh above what is required for replacement. It is mostly, you know, an an open farm field. Um, but there are some trees that are being impacted and those are being sufficiently replaced um throughout the development. Um, just before uh this hearing tonight, uh, the parks board did discuss the park dedication requirement. um you're looking at a 12% land or land equivalent. Um in their discussion um they would like to see the developer try to find an opportunity to put an HOA park within the neighborhood. The city would then give them credit towards the park dedication requirement. Um but that's going to be an ongoing discussion in lie of that. Um if something can't become uh be worked out, it would be a 12% cash in loo and they were okay with that. So, park dedication was reviewed this evening. Um, the other thing is the architectural guidelines and homeowners association. Um, we do have some model homes we can show at some point um should the commission want to see that. Um, and then looking at those versus our architectural standards, that's something we'll have to work with the developer on. Um, and if there's something that flexibility that is needed, um, we could do that as part of a waiver from the architectural standards, but that would be something the city would have to grant. Um, and then obviously an HOA um is something that the city would like to see with the with the neighborhood. Um, so that would be something that would be worked into the approvals as well. Um, should that be the decision of the board tonight. Um, then moving on to um I guess that's kind of the main discussion points. I'm sure through the public hearing there'll be additional ones brought up and we certainly can address those as that comes. Um, but with that being said, um, we did send out notices because it's a reszoning to a PUB. It's a,000 ft. Um, we did get a couple written comments in um, as a result of the hearing. Um, potentially have some people here this evening to speak on that as well. Um, so you have the couple written comments and then you will hold the hearing um, this evening to uh, hear if there's any other concerns. Um, with that being said, like I said, please hold your hearing. Give everyone the opportunity here to speak um, and voice their comments, concerns, questions that they have regarding the development. Once you do that, you can close the hearing. [snorts] Um, and after that, discuss amongst yourself and before you make a recommendation to the city council. Um, based on the, um, information provided, um, it does meet the the density guidelines that we set out with the comprehensive plan amendment. Um, should you find tweaks and things like that within the development to satisfy all the comments and concerns that are raised during the hearing, you certainly can add those as conditions to the approval. Um but with that being said, um it would be an op um an ordinance to reszone the property to PUB and then a um preliminary plat whether you decide to approve it or not. Um so you are recommending to the city council. Uh so keep that in mind as well. >> Okay. >> We do have our developer here if you want to give them an opportunity to speak first unless you want to go right to the hearing. You are welcome to do it either way. >> Uh no, let's hear from the developer first. Um and then I've got a couple questions. Clarity the traffic study. Who's going to pay for that? >> The developer. >> Developer. Okay. Gotcha. Just want to make sure. >> Mind that is requiring them to do a traffic study. >> And then um so that answers that. And then you said 3.5, not 3.8. >> Correct. Yes. Uh the they'll need to clarify the the densities, but based on my understanding of what the Met Council allows you to net out, um it is three and a half. >> Okay. So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to open up the hearing. I'm going [clears throat] to have the developer do their presentation first, whatever that is, if that's the uh if that's what they want to do. And then I'm going to uh open up the hearing and then we've got a lot of people waiting. So, we just have to find a orderly way to give everyone I don't care if we're here until midnight. We'll give everyone opportunity to speak. Um we've done it before. >> Wait a second. I'm kidding. >> Radio speaker has covered your points. You can just If the person has answer your question, then you know you're you're fine to um >> speak into your microphones. Yeah, >> talk guys. >> Yeah, we'll speak into our mics. Thank you. We heard you. >> Um so I'll open up the public hearing again. The developer, please give us your name and address and do you have a presentation or do you want to direct them? >> Fine. >> Okay. Talk through it. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Uh, good evening. My name is John Anderson. I represent Brandle Anderson Homes. We're doing business as 7 Oaks LLC for this development, which is called Seven Oaks. Uh, we're a builder developer located out of Burnsville, Minnesota. And we're here tonight to ask for um approval or recommend uh recommendation for approval of the plary platin to PUD. >> And your address? >> What's your address? >> Oh, sorry. 14832 Estate Avenue Southeast Prior Lake, Minnesota. >> Thank you. Um so we did uh um as staff said earlier there was a comprehensive plan amendment that was looked at earlier in the year that was recommended for approval by the planning commission. The council ultimately approved that and M council has approved that as well at this point. So we are now at the next step here which is to submit for the plumeary plat and there are still a few more items to go before that. Um since the comprehensive plan we have held a neighborhood meeting um at the church in St. Anie and there was quite a few residents that showed up for that as well. I know some of them are here tonight as well. And we kind of just gave a general idea of what we're going, you know, going forward with and what our submitt was. Just kind of give a a preliminary, you know, look at what's happening. Uh we also have had meetings with uh St. Bonnie and met with staff and the council over there regarding uh sewer connections, future street connections, things like that. Um, as part of our plan, the sewer connection actually connects into a manhole uh in Wildwood Avenue within their city. That is in the plan set that is being reviewed right now. Uh, also met with Watertown Township at their town board meeting to discuss Buck Lake Road. Uh, Buck Lake Road currently is split down the middle between Watertown Township and Carver County and the city of Minatrista and Henipin County. So, it's currently being maintained as a gravel roadway by the township. uh they had expressed uh interest that it was going to be upgraded and paved, which we're proposing to do with this development, that that maintenance would then go on to the city of Minatrista for excuse me, that entrance point from Highway 7 up to our entrance. So, it's about 350, 400 ft, something like that. And the gravel section that would go beyond that would still be township maintained. So, uh with that being said, our proposal is 214 total units. Uh we have three different product types that go with that. There's a single family product, the villa product which acts kind of similar to a single uh family uh single family product and a town home product. And I do have I know Nick mentioned there are some colored renderings that look show some examples of what could be out there especially on the single family side. There is going to be customization. So there could be multiple different styles that come when it's all said and done. Um, [clears throat] with that said, uh, you know, the PUD, um, amendment, uh, basically the PUD flexibility requested is kind of the minimum for the villas. The single family lots are obviously larger than that and not all those requests are needed for those, but the villas do need that, and it's kind of showing the bare minimum. So, quite a quite a few of the lots are larger. Then, obviously, the town homes have their own uh, separate item there. Um few of the things that we've uh you know dealt with in this is you know the big one has been traffic study and working with Mandot with our access out to Highway 7. We also have a wetland um delineation done that's submitted for review right now as well with the replacement application. There is a small I think it's 3700 square foot farmed wetland right now that's proposed to being impacted. All the other larger wetlands that are kind of more natural are being preserved and not being impacted. Uh we've also got a submitt into the watershed so they can look at the storm water management aspect of this that's ongoing as we uh >> move forward as well. >> So you did do this you you have done the traffic study for a minute. >> Traffic study is uh in progress. Okay. >> Now so that is being done uh that was uh the city consultant uh SRF has just sent an email as of today to our engineer with all the specifics. So they are actually starting on that probably tomorrow and I'll be working towards that. It'll probably take a couple weeks to get through that process. Um maybe three or so the way it sounded. Uh Mandot is also ongoing with the review right now. We have spoke with them in the past and we don't have direct specific answers on it but we are looking to you know access Buck Lake Road that that will be upgraded. We have left if you seen the the site plan on the south end there's an outlot kind of between the town homes that goes down to Highway 7. That's part of the property as well. We have left that open for right now. And I know one of the comments is also provide sewer and water access. There's three uh residences to the south of us and then the city water tower site kind of on the southeast corner. But that would be where the water and sewer most likely could come from into those residences and also potentially a long-term even culdeac for future access. Uh what we've talked to mind about is possibly a long or short-term right in right out to Highway 7 for a secondary access that would go away once additional access is further to the east. And this is on property we don't control. It's private property. And if they were ever to sell and develop, the roadways, we have three stubs to the east would extend through that property and eventually somewhere they'd connect to the Wildwood Avenue intersection which is proposed to be upgraded. I think the mindot study showed us a 3/4. I've been under the or been told I guess that that's being looked at to be upgraded to a roundabout. So where that all shakes out, I'm not exactly sure, but that is kind of been looked at from a long-term standpoint. >> One second. That's okay. Um I talked with Mindot today. Um a roundabout. So Wildwood Hunter Trail there may it has it's called dollars money. So that might not happen. Um so we're working on it. We're going to see what's what the possibilities are. >> Okay. >> So yeah, we're working on it. >> Yeah, we knew there was some discussions. Didn't know exactly where they all stood, but where that's all at. And obviously that's been the big >> feedback that we've received from the neighborhood meeting and things like that is, you know, access, traffic, different things of that nature. >> Um, other items, uh, we are going to be doing a homeowners association with this neighborhood. Uh, the ponding on the site is going to be uh, association maintained. It will also pull our irrigation out of those storm water ponds that to irrigate all the properties out there. Uh, similar to what, you know, Woodland Cove has done in the past. And so that homeowners association will be put in place. There'll be different subassociations based on the different product types, but overall one large association. Uh from a sanitary sewer standpoint, I mentioned earlier, we're going to be connecting into a manhole in St. Bonnie and Wildwood Avenue. Uh we are also putting a lift station in on this site, which if you look at in the very center of the property right there, there's going to be a lift station. That lift station will service our entire site. can service the site to the east of us which is in the a city can service property to the north of us because there is a stub to the north for that property longterm for access and then uh potentially even land to the west into Carver County and Watertown Township. >> So do does the city maintain that? >> Does would the city maintain that or >> the lift station? >> The lift station would be ours. Yeah. And then the sewer lines up to the Met Council line would be ours. >> Okay. >> Yep. and he's talking about a so he's they're also working on an agreement because our sewer is going to be grinding through a pipe that runs through St. Bonnie. So they're working on that on an agreement on that. >> That's what we met with with the city council here a couple weeks ago and there would be a meter uh situation set up. I know they I believe they have that in Hunter Crest right now as well. And uh the city engineer at that time or at the meeting I should say said that'd be something that get the details will be worked out you know at final plat time but it'd be something that they're aware of and fully you know the big thing is we have to cut into their street a little bit and repave that all cost for the lift station installation the sewer force main extension um paving streets anything would be on the developer on us so we would be taking care of all costs same with the traffic study and all engineering plans things of that nature so no cost would be you know put onto the city at that point. Um the other, you know, couple things here from a timing standpoint, we're at plary plat. Uh what ideally we'd love to see plary plat approval here, um you know, this this late summer, early fall and start grading out there this fall, um prior to, you know, final plat approval, but they allow a grading to get our phase one kind of put in place. Uh we are looking at doing four phases. There's a phasing map that was submitted into the uh application with the um right there there's the four phases. So it's got kind of colorcoded based on the phases and the black lines kind of outline the different product types. So the red area would be the phase one that gets us up to our lift station gets our access off the Buck Lake Road area. Sewer uh that would come from the St. Bonnie would be a force man or run along Highway 7 adjacent to the city water man. And there are some comments in the staff report, our engineering comments about that would come up through the uh water tower site and then tie into our develop and then run north um up to the lift station. So that would all be done in part part of the phase one. So it' be a lot of infrastructure which is going to take a little bit of time. So we expect uh or planned or hope to get grading done this year and then start utility work um next spring. If there was any way to get some done this year, we might start and let it sit once winter shuts us down, but most likely any utility street work would be in the spring of 27 with our first houses being constructed um you know, next late next year, next summer, fall, something of that nature. [snorts] Uh so that's kind of where it's at. You know, after preliminary plat approval, there would be a final plat that we would submit for, which would be that kind of red area on the phasing plan. That would also come before the city for review and approval. And that's when all the detailed construction plans we put in place, all our permitting for water, sewer, the mech council stuff, uh the St. Bonnie metering stuff, um anything of that nature would be looked at and agreed upon. So, uh basically what we're looking for right now is a recommendation uh for approval of the PUB reszoning and the primary plat. And we are aware of the conditions that are in the report and everything in there seems to make sense. Stuff we're already kind of working on. Nothing was nothing really caught us off guard. There's a little bit of um we had to kind of refigure how we do our irrigation um stats or you know engineering on that but that's something the engineer can handle but other than that everything is in process moving forward and other jurisdictions have what they need and I guess I can take any questions. >> Gotcha. >> Are you planning on putting any wells in to feed the irrigation? >> That is [snorts] something that was talked about um if the ponds would dry up to have a well. So that is something I think is is in the works. Um, we have a irrigation designer that is starting their process to actually design the overall site and how that would all work. We're actually doing uh similar deal in in Chanhassen right now on a project where we used a pond for the irrigation, but in that case, we had a water stub from the city water system. It's a smaller site. Um, but in this case, it would be a well that would be owned and maintained by the association would be activated. >> It works well because we did that at Woodland Cove and successful. So, something to consider. >> Yep. Nope. We are already in got that in the works. Yeah. So, >> we have to get a DNR permit for that. So, the DNR will be looking at um existing wells in the neighborhood and in in the area to see how it might impact. >> So, >> and there's no wells existing on the >> That may or may not happen. >> I That's fine. And I just considering it was my question. Yes, >> we are looking into that. >> Um any other questions? >> No. Can you tell me a little bit about the um open the the public hearings that you had at the church or in St. Bonnie >> the neighborhood meeting? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we had a a meeting. We uh scheduled it. Uh basically probably the same people got invited that are here tonight. Um there's probably 30 residents, 25 residents that showed up. Um and the big discussion, well, there's a couple items. It was Well, I'll kind of touch on them. The f the big one was the traffic. Buck Lake Road being a gravel road. you know, will people be using that road going to the north out of this neighborhood? Um, and will that affect, you know, gra, you know, dust and things of that nature? I know we when I went to Watertown Township in their meeting, we talked about that a little as well. Another one was the access on Highway 7. Uh, there was discussion about um, you know, potentially, you know, some sort of park situation. Uh, a couple comments about density of the overall density got brought up on the site. As Nick mentioned, we're real we're right on the border of the required density with Met Council right now. So, it really can't get less dense to meet council standards an acre. >> So, but that those are the main talking points and um you know, we had a discussion for a good hour or so and >> yeah. [clears throat] [laughter] Um any other question? >> No, I've gotten checked off here as you >> gone through a bunch of questions I had too. Let me just go through here. >> What I guess where is the nearest park? Like if you were a kid in this neighborhood, would you walk to a park >> um without crossing Highway 7? >> No. Totally isn't one. >> No. >> Well, you could No, you you could walk down to Wildwood and go to St. Bonnie, but it would be somewhat of a hike. >> I had a bunch of questions around the storm order. We kind of answered those in conversation. Um, >> so there's no >> plan >> plan shows no park. >> There's no no current plans for a park here. >> Yeah. So you said they're working on that. It's a 12%. >> So yes, that's something that's still going to be up for discussion. Um there was a brief conversation between the board and the developer on the feasibility of doing that. Um but yeah, you're looking at 12% cash in L or if they can find a way to make that work. We give them some credit on that. >> When do they uh need to make that decision for the um for the city council? >> I mean certainly by the the final plat approval. Well, it'll be discussed at the preliminary because >> once you approve a preliminary plan and they meet all those conditions, then the final is basically just rubber stamp. But so the preliminary is really important and you want to make sure that you get everything that you want or don't want um in the preliminary with the conditions because if they meet all those conditions then they're good to go. >> So if if that makes sense. >> And yes, it does. And I was going to say uh if we are you know earlier there's a plan a park commission meeting before the planning commission tonight and we were there and we had this discussion and the HOA park that was listed in that report was something that came up here recently. I know uh the city parks plan shows a park kind of north and east of this area on adjacent property and the park service area kind of touched into the northeast corner of our site. Now when that property develops, nobody really knows. It could be tomorrow. It could be 20 years. We don't know. Um, and so, you know, the HOA park thing is, you know, it wasn't really in the budget to do a park and put in equipment and all that and be part of the HOA. Now, we we one thing I mentioned at the park commission meeting is could we take a few lots and kind of create some green space that would be there until say some uh park maybe developed on property near us um from a connection. And there's also talks about trails and sidewalks and we don't have any trails specifically within our streets, but we have sidewalks that'll connect into all the neighboring properties as well. So, um, so that was discussed at the park commission and, uh, something we can talk about. So, I think it would need to be made during the plinary plan, a final decision. >> And have single family without a park. >> Yeah. I I mean, I would like to see some some sort of space for the kids to play. There's going to be a lot of kids in there and there's no space for them right now. >> And then the access I mean I'm going to tell you like I live off a seven and it's you don't want your kids going anywhere near seven, >> you know? Um and then the the challenge with that property is that you have kids that want to get to uh Mac and right. I know my kids, my neighbor, my neighbors kids, they they cut right through the the park and and they're they're over at Mac and Tunes buying baseball cards, going to, you know, whatever doing doing whatever. So, getting access a safe access over to um Mac and is going to be, you know, important. I don't know how we address that. So on Highway 7, they do have a mindot has a plan for a trail, but as you know, it can take who knows how long to get to make that connection. So >> is there any conversations about a light or something? Cuz I mean, just getting kids across the street or getting >> Wait, they're actually on the right side. They're actually on the north side and so is Mac and Tons. So, but um >> there's >> it's a difficult because of the distance, too. I don't know how many miles it is down to Mac and quite a distance. >> Yeah. >> So, >> well, it'll drive a certain type of person to move there. They don't have it. So, >> yeah. >> All right. Um any other questions for the developer? We're going to ask neighbors [snorts] to speak on this if if we don't have any other questions. >> I I got one other comment I was just thinking of. We did when we did the comprehensive plan, we had a rough concept plan. This is very similar to that. Um there's a couple little tweaks here and there, but for the most part, pretty much the same thing that was looked at at that time. So, just aware of that. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Um Thank you. >> Okay. Um, [cough] start from left to my left to right. You kind of go down and if you want to stand up and speak, I'm gonna ask you to say your name and address uh out loud into the mic and then uh make your comment. >> Jill Bruner, 4010 Quas Avenue, Watertown, Minnesota. I am [clears throat] a Watertown Township Supervisor. I'm here to speak in opposition to this development. I basically have two arguments against it. First one, the added traffic that's going to be on Buck Lake Road. It's just a simple country gravel road. You're going to have 200 and some houses there. 200 and some 300 cars, people that are leaving to work. You're going to have 150 people leaving at the same time. Some of them obviously will go on Buck Lake Road. I don't think the taxpayers in the township are going to appreciate it when we have to raise our levy to pay for the added expense to maintain Buck Lake Road. Gravel is not cheap. Fuel for the graders. Trucks are not cheap. hours pay employees [clears throat] to maintain that where they appreciate it and they have to pay extra for a development in another county. I mean not that I don't want Watertown to contribute [clears throat] to it because I obviously would I mean as a metric citizen but like um you did we did talk about Nick that >> that Bucklike Road improvement would be right. How would that affect? >> Well, I think part of the concern is that Buck Lake extends to the north as well um where some of the residents do live. I think there's the concern that a resident would leave this neighborhood rather than take a left and head south towards Highway 7, they would take a right, head north on Buck Lake Road. Okay. >> And as a way to avoid Highway 7 in that intersection and traffic. So, I think that's correct me if I'm wrong, sir. I think that's maybe where he's coming from. Is that attit Well, kind of. But the the improvement that was discussed is only taring the road from the entrance to the uh development 7 which is a block and a half. >> Correct. >> So the majority of Buck Lake Road is not going to be paid. >> It's just a simple gravel road. So you put in all this extra traffic, it's you know >> your township supervisors here now they can attribute to the cost of maintaining our roads. is not cheap. >> Oh, we know that. Yeah. >> Okay. And second of all, that intersection on Highway 7 and Buck Lake Road is a disaster ready to happen. It sits at the very top of a hill. So, the view down both sides is poor at best. Now, I don't know what Mandot has in mind. Roundabouts or stop lights. I don't know. But nothing has been approved yet. So I think it's premature to give this development [clears throat] any kind of go ahead until MDOT is comes out with Pacific plan to what they're going to do at that intersection because the residents of town the Watertown township some of them obviously will use that intersection to get onto Highway 7. So you're going to add all these other traffic cars there. It's going to make their life more dangerous. So, um, if I could because I mayor, >> if I could, thank you. Um, so we've been in contact with Mind. In fact, I had a conversation with them today. So, before anything would be approved, they have to, the developer has to do a traffic study. That traffic study will tell the city as well as the developer what actually has to happen at that intersection to make ingress and egress safe for all travelers. Now, if it means cutting down the hill, so some of the things they look at is not just traffic volumes, but they look at cycling distances. They look at the speed at which travelers or vehicles are traveling. There's a lot of different things that go into a a traffic study and they have to do this before before any kind of intersection is approved. And then whether it's a light, whether it's a roundabout, whether it's left, right, turn lanes, all of that will be come out with that traffic study. And then the city can decide what what the best plan of action is. Right now we don't know that because the traffic study hasn't been completed. >> Correct. >> So is that is that and that's in um I guess concert. So we we we make that decision with >> well when again MINDOT will tell us and the developer what needs to happen at that intersection in order for safe ingress and egress to happen. And what they do is they take not only current traffic, but they also take future traffic. So, they're going to they're going to take the the development that's being proposed and they're going to say, "Okay, that's going to generate x number of uh trips per day, and currently there's x number of trips per day." They're going to use all of that information. They also know how many trips per day there are um on Highway 7 in that location. Just kind of FYI, there's 9,400 trips, average daily trips per day in that section. So, they're going to use that information along with all of the other information from the development proposed development in order to determine what is the best intersection um whether it's a signal or whether it's a roundabout or whether it's turn lanes only. We don't know at this point. >> Yeah. >> Is there a way to give feedback into that process? >> We are. >> Okay. So, the city is the venue for that feedback. Well, we are and just like everybody here, we are concerned about the safety of not just Menitristo residents, future de um residents in this development, but all residents that are using that intersection. >> So, I got the two comments. Do you have a third comment, sir? >> I just like to add the first part. I didn't hear anything about compensating the township for the extra traffic on Buck Lake Road. >> We are going to take care of that. We we are going to be paving and maintaining >> only going to pave from the entrance to seven, not the rest of Buck Lake Road. >> Correct. >> So, you're going to tell the taxpayers here that they have to pay more taxes to fund that development in another county. >> Take this. >> I don't want to have to tell them that. >> Okay. All right. >> Probably be tired and feathered. But anyway, my next argument is that the logical thing on this argument is to get Don Turk to sell his property so you can put a road across his land so wild. [laughter] That would make everything safer. Now, good luck with that. >> Down here, >> go down here. [laughter] >> But maybe this >> maybe you could talk to him. [laughter] >> We talk politics, but that's about it. That's the only thing we can be done. But anyway, >> all right. [clears throat] >> It seems to make that this development is kind of putting the cart before the horse. >> Okay. >> Wait till the time comes maybe Don or whoever might give you an easement or sell his property. Then you can go build all you want as far as I'm concerned. But the way it is now, I am in opposition. >> All right. >> Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> Um again, left my left. Uh, anyone else would like to speak on this left side here? Anyone here in this front row right who'd like to speak? Okay. >> Your name, address, please. >> So, Tori Schmidt, 3885 Buck Lake Road. Um, what I have here is a petition signed by 125 residents that the previous speaker was talking about, and then I'll speak to that petition as well. Okay. >> 85. >> So, we were made aware at the Watertown Township meeting right after from some residents that attended that Mr. Bel was going in >> his address. I just want to make sure. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And that was on July 6th, the meeting Watertown Township. And the um general discussion out of that meeting was what are we going to do about the road conditions and the turn into Buck Lake Road that was previously spoke about. Um neighbor neighborhood meeting folks got together talked through this and we signed this petition here that I'll summarize here for the group. Um and I'll give you a copy of my summary so you have that to enter into the record as well. But uh we respectfully object to the reszoning of the subject property property from agricultural to residential use at this time. Our concern is not growth itself, but the lack of a complete and coordinated and publicly reviewed plan for the management of traffic at Highway 7 U Buck Lake Road and its surrounding rural road network before major residential development proceeds. The petition submitted by nearby residents, property owners, and agricultural operators, road users, and concerned community members raises the same issue. A project a project of this scale could add substantial daily daily vehicle trips. If highway 7 access is restricted or unresolved, drivers may divert onto Buck Lake Road and nearby township roads that are not designed for subdivision level traffic. The resoning would materially change the character and intensity of this of of use. Property is currently identified as agricultural preserve and a site shift to low to medium residence with a planned unit development overlay would shift the site from an agriculture use to subdivision scale residential use. That change should not be approved unless the city, county, mind, and the affected township roads have confirmed a plan to safely absorb that added traffic. Traffic impacts remain central to the unresolved issue. Prior development materials in the petition that's in front of you guys uh identifies the project approximately 67.8 to 68 gross acres and roughly 214 to 233 residential units as previously submitted to you. The petition also states um that uh there was a,000 to 2,000 additional vehicle trips outlined by your initial reviews. A project of that size or that scale would require specific enforcable access and circulation plan before reszoning and plat approvals advance. In other words, in common language providing friction on that road uh to drive traffic north on Buck Lake Road. If cars stack up at Highway 7, um people are going to turn right. They're going to go right on Buck Lake Road and distribute throughout the township. Buck Lake Road and surrounding roads are not built and for diverted subdivision traffic. Buck Lake Road is a gravel township road serving rural homes, farmsteads, agricultural operations, pedestrians, pets, horses, farm equipment, school transportation, delivery vehicles, and local traffic with gravel surfaces, limited shoulders, curves, sighteline limitations, rural driveways, and agricultural access points. Even partial diversion could create will create safety, dust, maintenance, emergency access of life impact. >> Speed light tonight. A restricted access concept would create a predictable cut through pressure on that road and the surrounding roads that branch off of that as traffic moves. You know, in our area here, we've got a lot of waterways that restrict north south traffic. And if you look at the map there, >> we only notice like >> that is really the only north south community access. >> Big here. >> This petition specifically warns that a right only, which was brought up at the Watertown Township meeting, I believe, by the developer. That's not directly to me, but that was conversation after the meeting. Or similar limited access concept at Buck Lake Road and Highway 7 could push drivers towards nearby gravel township roads as alternative routes. That risk should be resolved before the city approves reszoning that enables a proposed residential density. For these reasons, we respectfully request that the planning commission and the city council do not recommend or approve reszoning of the subject property unless the following conditions are satisfied and made enforceable as part of this approval. And enforceable is a big part of that. You mentioned the roundabout on Wildwood um in MDOT's plan, better sight lines at that location, better um contiguous design for the city. Um it was mentioned here that the sight lines on Highway 7 are horrible. I've been driving my whole life. family's been on the farm for 100 years and it's not great. Uh traffic study, uh which I love that you guys are already on that um was specifically to evaluate Highway 7, Buck Lake Road, Sweet Lake Road, and nearby Gra Townships, farm access, pedestrians, horses, livestock, and agricultural equipment. A safe two-way solution at Highway 7 and Buck Lake Road, including serious considerations for a roundabout or other full access design that manages speed and discourage. >> Just ask one question. Yeah. >> Okay. Roundabout at Buck Lake Road, >> right? >> Okay. >> Yep. If if if this is going to come before the other roundabout and the other development through this space. >> No. No. >> Right. Yeah. >> There's a lot of unknowns here. >> Yeah. But you're saying you you're saying a roundabout at Buck Lake Road. So, we have to again that has to be approved by Mindot. So, Okay. >> So, bottom line is if agricultural traffic can't make a left there, it's going to >> No. Oh, yeah. No, no, I understand that. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's got to go seven miles east of >> that's hopefully not going to happen. >> Okay. >> So, but safeway safe two-way solution. >> Yes, I understand. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um and then the speed zone there is 60 mph currently. So, evaluation of a reduced highway 7 speed zone through the development access if warranted by engineering review to your point. >> Yeah. >> Uh formal coordination among Mind Carver County, Henipin County and the city ministers to Watertown Township before final traffic control decisions are made. public presentation of the access plan and supported sporting data for the final plan development agreement for construction approval. So in closing, Ministrista has long emphasized protection of natural resources, preservation of rural character and the quality of life as important community priorities. approving a major resoning before the traffic impacts are fully addressed would place existing rural residents, agricultural users, the aforementioned parties, including emergency responders and future homeowners that you guys are talking about having these homes join us um at unnecessary risk. And that was talked about on Highway 7, how rough that is. The responsible course is to pause or condition the resoning until comprehensive multi-jurisdictional traffic control solution is completed and publicly reviewed and incorporated development of proposals. I'll give you guys a copy of this for the record. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. uh Wayne Hubin 11975 Sweet Lake Road Water Tone. >> Actually, I'm the clerk at the township as well. >> Okay, thank you. >> Um I just wanted to make uh maybe emphasize or make a couple of points. I'll be very brief. Promise you. >> Um thank you. >> The distance, by the way, the developer said it's like 350 400 ft. It's more than that. It's 500 a little over 500 ft. I measured it, but it's kind of weird that he said, "Yeah, we're going to do that." But I didn't have an idea how long how the distance is, but it's important. It's minor. I get that. Um, >> all right. >> The maintenance of the road going south is and we I heard you say that Minatrista would be involved obviously in maintaining that. It's one thing to pave it, developer paves it and gets it done. Who takes care of it and who's who plows it? Who sands it? And as I know that's something we can work out with you, the city, >> right? uh because we are now sharing that road per se. Um the other is uh I know there was a speculation about how [clears throat] much traffic there is going could be going north. So the township is going to we started it we'll start it quickly here just to put traffic counts on the on that road so that we have some data versus speculation otherwise you're speculating and that and it's hard to make decisions on speculations. So I just wanted to make those points clear. When is that traffic [clears throat] Can I ask a question? When was that? When are you doing the traffic count? >> We're starting this month. >> Okay, great. >> August, I should say. >> Okay, that's great. Thank you. >> Good idea. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you, Wayne. Appreciate it. Uh, second row, anyone here to speak >> here? Okay. >> Hi, I'm Renee Capistrant, proud resident of Minotarista, 9516 Pleasant Crossing. >> Thank you. And I am here to strongly oppose this development in its current state because of the danger of congestion. According to the statute of the city, the great city of Minitrista's own statutes um under subdivision um purpose prevent harm for a new subdivision. Um article C to prevent overcrowding and undue congestion. Article G, having particular regard to the avoidance of congestion in the streets and highways. Um, subdivision article class three, make sure the additional development created does not increase traffic levels beyond the capacity of existing roads. I think we're leaving a little bit too much up to mind. Mindot will take their care of this like they're our savior of M mindot. But there certainly is um preventable I think deaths especially uh you have one chance to get this parks right and all these adults in this room are going to explain to the children in 10 years sorry we didn't put a park we took 12% in cash instead. I think that would be hard to explain. [snorts] Um it is time to put a park but is certainly not safe for any of these. Um, uh, as a teacher, I would not want to have any of our kids running [clears throat] across Highway 7. And, um, I was so impressed with when, uh, the Kings Point development, this giant development, um, they before they even started, they put in that roundabout, and we cannot say we'll put in a roundabout in 2029 if Mindot says. And then um uh May Mayor Whan, you said something about the developer is going to check with Mindot, but I believe the developer said his next spot or his next task is waiting for you. So I'm not sure that Mindot is going to be involved. hoping that uh we can make the decision to table this until it is as safe without any undue congestion and potential harm to our beautiful current and future residents of Minata. Thanks. >> I just want to be clear make it clear second >> that this body is only going to make a recommendation. We're not going to make any decisions. Just want to be clear on that. Uh we're going to make a recommendation to the city council and the city council then will um make a decision. So >> yeah, just wanted to be clear. Um I got the second row. >> Sir, please come up. >> John 4355 Buck Lake Road. And I think to boil this down, this is more of this is not a convenience issue, right? Um it doesn't of course affect the convenience of our friend from Prior Lake, but for those of us that live on that road and actually have to travel out of it on seven, you have one opportunity to get out. It is speed traffic. the sightelines are awful coming out there, it can take couple, three, four minutes just if you're by yourself. Um, you put another 200 houses there with one exit, everybody's going to have to go that way or of course go the other way, which is the the concern about Buck Lake Road. Um, but it's not, again, it's not a convenience factor. It is a safety factor, and I do not believe that you can be safe without some sort of traffic uh roundabout or something that's going to be there prior to going with the development. you can you can get the development there and then hope that mindot in four years comes back and says, "Oh yeah, let's do something." In the meantime, there's 200 houses there. So, >> it would have to be put in with the development. It wouldn't wait for 4 years. It would be done now. >> Well, that's that's the point I think we're trying to make is that um it's just it's it it doesn't make it a convenient. It's a safety issue and it's untenable for the people living there today and the future people that are going to live there. So, the recommendation would be if you go forward with this to have some sort of a traffic control system before the subdivision went in, not after the fact. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Yeah, >> good point. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, I got the second row, ma'am, please. Name and address. >> Miss Kathy McCann. Kathleen McCann. I'm a resident of 100050 Swede Lake Road and I'm speaking as a resident of the township tonight, but I am also a Watertown Township supervisor. Um, I want you to understand that Buck Lake Road runs north south, but Buck Lake Road ends at another very important east west road, which is Swed Lake Road. Nike Road off of 92 becomes Swed Lake Road. Swed Lake Road runs all the way to County Road 10, which is a paved road. Off of Swed Lake Road, there is Marino Avenue, Market Avenue, 46th Street is off of Buck Lake Road. We have Oxford Avenue. Oxford and Market go out to County Road 24, which is also County Road 15. So, we're talking about residents from this development who are going to take these shortcuts to reach the paved county roads that they need to get to to go wherever they're going. They're going to want to get to County Road 10 to the west. They're going to want to go north and get to County Road 15, which goes into Mound, goes west to Watertown. They're going to want to go east to 92. And if they can't do that through Highway 7, they're going to be granted taking Buck Lake Road, but our issue is not only Buck Lake Road, it's all these other auxiliary gravel roads that feed off of the dead end of Bucklake Road where Buck Lake Road tees and becomes an even more heavily traffked road called Swed Lake Road/Nike Road. Those are the ways that people are going to be trying to reach the county paved roads which is their ultimate goal is to you know take those county road or those paved roads up to highway 12 highway 7 whatever 92. So I I want to make sure I'm also a representative on Watertown Township uh for the St. Bonnie Fire Department. So I'm the person who goes to the St. County Fire Department meetings and I want to make sure there's a really indepth study and really good input for fire department, police, school buses, all the safety issues of having only one little two-lane driveway going into this new development off of Buck Lake Road. Um, I I don't think that any construction at all, paving 400 ft, even I don't think any of that should be started before this in-depth study and before the roundabout is um created on Highway 7 because even doing the minimal like grading that our developer was talking about, just starting some of the grading, starting some of the laying out of the streets, starting some of the paving of the driveway that is going to bring heavy construction traffic off of Highway 7 and on our gravel roads. And those guys coming with cement trucks and with gravel and so forth, they're not going to want to be coming um off of Highway 7 and having to wait. They're going to take our back roads. So, we're going to see an immediate huge increase in construction traffic this fall if this is allowed to proceed. So I agree with previous speakers that we put a pause on this whole project and that you carefully look at things in addition to just Buck Lake Road. Look at all the ancillary gravel roads which are in our township that are going to have to be maintained by our township and that our township residents of Watertown Township are going to have to pay tax increases to maintain the heavy construction traffic. >> Thank you. Thank you. Can you get me a pen? No. I got the second row. Sir, please go ahead. [clears throat] Name and address. >> Uh, good evening. My name is Kevin Kramer, 4180 Buck Lake Road. And uh, I'm here to speak against this development as well, at least until the traffic state is done. Could we go back to a previous slide that showed the um it was like a black and white with all the >> you like this one? >> Uh there's another one. Yeah. Right there. That one. So this just so everyone understands. I mean people the developers kind of talked over this like oh right in ride out like that's no big deal. Well that that's a huge deal. I mean, for us on Buck Lake Road, if we're coming here and it's a right out, our only way out is to go this way. >> No, they're not talking. >> That's not what they were discussing. It was right along here to the west, east further. So, a secondary right in right out. This would remain the same unless the traffic study says otherwise. You know, there would potentially be improvements to it, but the right in right out added access would be right here >> be a secondary one. So, you know, in addition to whatever else the traffic study might say for the Buck Lake Highway 7. >> And I thought they said that this is for easement for water and sewer and everything else. >> But you can put a road in there. >> Yeah. >> Well, that would be >> that would be reasonable to have right in right out there. >> But so there's no right in right out Buck Lake Road. That's not >> the traffic study would yet say what ultimately >> but that like everyone else said that's a very dangerous intersection, >> right? >> We're just waiting for somebody to get killed on that intersection. Uh John and I left Sunday morning with a horse trailer and a couple horses 7 a.m. and we had to sit there for at least four or five cars to go by on 7 at 7 a.m. So it's we're the only ones. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we're the only ones. We're not we're not fighting for 200 people coming out of this development to uh to turn on that road as well. >> The only good thing and I again I have to emphasize even if we wanted to put a roundabout in there and even if the developer said, "Yep, we're going to do that." still has to be approved by mindot. Having said that, if a roundabout is put in there, it would help you on Buck Lake Road because you would be able to get out in the morning a lot faster because you would have right away. So, >> but I hope that this project is not approved until this is taken care of. >> Yeah. >> Should be that should be the first first thing to get set up. So, that's all I say. Sorry. >> Okay. Anyone on the left here? Okay, I'm gonna go to the third row on the left side. >> Thank you. >> Anyone want to speak from the third row? >> Oh boy. >> Thank you, sir. >> Two rights don't make a wrong. >> They do make >> just for every if chair, can I do this? >> Yeah. >> Just for everybody. This says two rights. >> Right. wrong, but two rights do equal a wrong. [laughter] >> Um, I'm going to go to the third row here on the right side. Anyone want to speak? Okay, I'm going to fourth row on the left here. Anyone want to speak? Fourth row. Okay, ma'am. On the right side here, fourth row, come on up. name and address, please. >> I have you have to speak into the microphone. >> Ditch, 5145 Buck Lake Road. I brought our map. This was from you showing our off of Buck Lake Road, Highway 7 here. And we are just like right here, right down the road, one mile. And uh we've lived all our life there. We have a lot we've farmed all their life over there 50 years and uh they can uh there [clears throat] definitely has to be something done on Highway 7 before they do this. They have another 214 cars. There's already been accidents there. I don't want to see any of us being killed. I don't want to lose my husband. I don't want to die there. >> No. >> And uh there's definitely going to be much more traffic there. And uh a lot of farm machinery comes down that road. So you definitely can't do we we were under the assumption it was going to be two rights but that isn't it now but but a lot of farm machinery kind of thing. So we definitely need >> before you put another 400 cars on the road. We definitely need to have something so that we're not going to have our families killed. >> So I appreciate if you do push the and and I'm going to speak for the man that isn't here. I don't think he's out in the hall. Don Turk has highly opposed selling his land. So, I don't think you're going to get it developed like you think so fast because many many years down the road. I know Don is old and you think he's going to sell, but we've talked to him many times. Said no. And and also with the park situation, we have neighbors that have little children right next door and they travel the road and stuff and I realize there's going to be kids in there. So I think too you should put a park because as all of you know you need parks for little kids otherwise they're going to be going up and down the gravel road on bikes, scooters, whatever. And there is farm machinery and everything there and uh kind of thing. We definitely need something done on Highway 7 before >> absolutely >> for a housing. >> Appreciate your comments, ma'am. >> All right. Thank you. >> I'm going to on the right side here, fourth row, fifth row on the left side. Anyone on the fifth row? Anyone left? Does anyone left? >> Fifth row on the right side. Would anyone like to speak? Okay. Uh first row in the back. I think we're standing up at this point. >> Anyone want to speak back there? Name and address, sir. >> Come to the podium first. >> Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. >> Heads [laughter] up. Hey, I'm John Briland, 5155 Buck Lake Road, and I'm not opposed to developments, obviously, because I mean, this is America. You should be able to sell your land to who you want to, but I'm not for a ride in Out. I would like a roundabout. And so, I would like to ask you to use your influence to make that positive impact. that would, I speak for myself, would certainly impact us in a positive way and make the intersection more safe for my family, my grandkids, and the neighbors who I truly care about. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. You >> appreciate your comments. >> Anyone else in the back? All right, we're going to close the public hearing. >> Oh, wait. He had Sorry. Open it. Reop one closure comment. >> Open it back up. >> Open up the public hearing. >> Um, one point I want to clarify in the discussions. We had a meeting last Thursday amongst all the neighbors too, is that if the development goes through and nothing is done on Buck Lake Road and it's left as the control that it has now, it's as unsafe as if you would have do do a right in right out. the idea of the the sight lines, which I'd be happy to forward a breakdown of what that looks like to the to the board. Um, but if you would put the development through, I want to strongly caution you that leaving that intersection as a single in and the way it is controlled right now would be as bad as other control efforts. It would cause friction and push a lot of that traffic up on the the road. And >> that comment was made by Mr. Sprint, right? Yep. Correct. Thank you, M. >> [laughter] >> I think we're coming back to >> I really appreciate uh your comments. Um we're going to, you know, talk about it and uh you know, make and forward those recommendations and share your comments. Uh, I know the city council, um, they really care about, you know, neighbors and and they aren't just willy-nilly, um, you know, approving subdivisions. There's there's a lot of debate. Uh, so I'll, you know, I'll speak to you speak to that from my colleagues. Um, and they're your neighbors. They've been living here 30, you know, I'm I'm 13, 14 years here. Um, I know other neighbors um on the commission and the planning um the city council, they've been here for 30, 40 years as well. So like um they they care about it. So I know that they're going to put a lot of consideration uh to your thoughts and comments and I really appreciate you guys coming out. >> So I'm going to close the public hearing >> then. We got another [laughter] >> No, I think you need to we need to move on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So >> we we closed the public hearing. >> Close the public hearing for this uh for this item >> for this. There's another agenda item. >> Yeah. There's one more agenda item after this. >> Yes. >> Um so yeah, let's discuss and then uh talk to it. >> I I need some I have some questions. >> You made a comment about mind agreed to put down. >> Hold on. If people are leaving, could Mr. Chair >> a minute? Yep. [laughter] Is that discussed any further in this? >> Yes. Yes. >> They haven't made they haven't acted yet. So, yes. So, if you want to hear >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Just give it a We'll give it a second. >> Close the doors. [clears throat] >> Seats opened up. If you guys want to filter in, there's some seats that opened up. Please make some room for your neighbors >> and then maybe we could close those doors. Yeah, if we could bring everybody in. >> I can do that. >> We'll get them. Sarah, [laughter] >> thank you, Sarah. >> She might not be able to reach it. And she Okay, >> it's on the floor. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Sarah. All right. Before we before we start with comments, obviously I just want to reiterate what we heard. Yeah. Uh safety safety safety safety safety. >> Everyone's concerned about safety. >> Um you know we we you know obviously you know heard the overwhelming um I guess comment was centered around that traffic study um being done. you know, um without that Travis study, obviously we can't confirm what what what what's going to be recommended, but it sound like residents were really um for a roundabout. Obviously, the roundabout in Kings Point um works well. >> Does work well. >> Um >> works great with Mac and Tunes going in. >> Not even just a roundabout, a way to, you know, making sure that that that pedestrian traffic from from that can get down to St. Bonnie or something like that, >> you know. Um, so because that, you know, you got to think that kids are going to want to walk down to, you know, they're going to want to walk down to Holiday or >> whatever, quick trip or something like that. So, we got to keep that in consideration. Um, other other things were um obviously the how the traffic um and the road for Watertown was going to be affected. We're not Watertown, so we can't, you know, speak to that, but, you know, that was for some consideration for the council to maybe reach out to Watertown, have some discussions or things like that. That's what was brought up >> and determining who's going to maintain that road once it's >> Well, it's not going to be us. [laughter] >> I don't want any more roads in interest. Well, that's okay. That's one of the >> outside of what we committed for, but like um >> so yeah, we'll go left to right and then back and forth and just have a discussion and kind of talk through some stuff. >> Um I guess I'd like to understand and what are our options for recommendation? Like um obviously it's we're we're in a bit of a wheel here, right? like we we can't we can't understand what the recommendation is going to be without the traffic study and we can't do the traffic study unless we have a development going like >> and approval >> and mand approval. So we need we need to kind of do both things in concert. But I also understand it's very clear that we need a place where we can kind of pump the brakes where if if the results aren't good or not safe enough in in the our city's mind. What so what are our options there? Like what's how can we go about that? How can we make sure that we're holding the developer accountable to um safety and looking at what MDOT asks of them? >> That's also limiting, right? Like MIDOT, they have the Am I wrong to assume they have the ultimate decision rights? >> Well, they put they'll either approve the roundabout or they won't. It'll be part of the I guess that's the understanding I would need. >> So, so there's a number I if I may chair, >> please. So, there's a number of issues. Um again the traffic study um and this is what the preliminary um approval is all about because what you do is you say it's not going to get final approval unless you have this this and this in place. And so in other words they say you know don't do this don't do this until this happens. So in other words um this traffic study has to be done. um we have to decide or MINDOT has to decide what the what kind of um intersection it's going to be and then even if and I'll use this as an example even if MDOT says well we just think it's just going to be like it is today okay well what happened in Woodland Cove the city of Minatrista said we want this and so there was a lot of negotiating going on and um a lot of work trying to work together with with Mandot to come up with a reasonable and safe um intersection. And that's what we want. It doesn't matter if it's Oak Road or if it's Woodland Cove, it doesn't matter because we want to make sure that not only our current residents, our future residents, residents of Watertown Township, we want to make sure that you have safe ingress and egress. Now, some of the data that you're already collecting will give us some ideas and will tell us give us some data in terms of what how much that road is currently being used. And then we also know from many many studies on average what a household generates. And so they're going to be able to figure out how many vehicles a day are going to go in and out of that intersection. That's all part of the study. and then they'll come up with a recommendation and SRF is is part of um Mandot's crew that does design work and and work for them. They'll come up with a recommendation and let's just say they say, "Well, we think a stoplight should go here." But maybe we say, "Well, we really think a roundabout is better. We're going to work on that." But a lot of these things are going to be spelled out in the preliminary. It's going to be it's approval upon if you do this, if you do this, if you do that. Um, as far as traffic goes, you know, there's talk about traffic. We can limit where the traffic ingresses and egresses. We've done that with other developments in our community. In other words, we can say construction traffic has to be off of Highway 7 and has to go back onto Highway 7. You can't go north on Oak Road. and we've we've worked with developers and with um builders before on that. So that I'm not as concerned about that. I think our focal point or our focus is going to be the permanent um intersection at Oak Road. Now, having said all of that, what they also look at is where is where is the let's just say this roundabout is in Oak Road. They say where is Buck I'm sorry, Buck Road. We have Oak Road, too. Um, Buckro, where is the next roundabout and where is the next roundabout going to be? They look at distances between the roundabouts. So, that's also something we have to look at because currently, whether you know it or not, going to spill the beans here on Highway 7 and 92, they are planning a roundabout at that intersection. Okay, that's a good thing. It it'll it'll help traffic, but we have to find out then is is a roundabout on Buck Lake Road, Buck Road, is that going to be approved by Mindot? So, we have to work with them on that. And we can work through all of that before the final approval comes. And we can also say to the developer um and and quite honestly we're not going to want them to do the asphalt and improvement on Buck Lake Road until the development is well along because otherwise that road is just going to deteriorate. So, but we'll work on all those issues. Dust, um, traffic, uh, those are all issues that Ministrista has worked on many, many, many times in the past, we're kind of getting good at it. But I think all of your input and all of the things that you've said here today, which really focus on road roads and the ingress and egress, those are things that we're going to pay closer and really good attention to. >> So if that helps you, >> that helps a lot. That helps frame frame the actions that we can make as a recommending board. Um there are already 18 um conditions on this and one of them is that traffic study. So I feel comfortable that that's in flight based on what you're saying to address the these things and I feel like the voices heard tonight have made that even a firmer commitment. Um, the other thing that I would like to see added is I would like some in this development some planned green space or a park for the kids because >> it's pretty isolated and um kids are going to play. They're going to play and this these are family homes. So, I don't care if it's a playground or just a big old lot that they can play flag football in, but they need a place to run cuz with the 3.5 um density that we need to hit with um Met Councils, there's not much for yard left over. So, is that set by Met Council? Is it 3.5 or is there three? >> 3.5 is the new density requirements that we have to meet. >> We are required to meet those. I would agree on the green space. I mean, and quite frankly, families aren't going to want to move in there with children if you don't have it. So, big big consideration for sure. >> That's me. [clears throat] >> I think what Sarah said regarding park for kids, it's like be a lot of kids coming out of those houses. >> Yeah. >> Onto those streets and a couple of those streets just dead into the next farm field it looks like to the east. And at some point, is that going to be developed? That's the Turk property getting developed. We'll >> start talking about that. >> I do want to go through the conditions. >> You know, typically we don't go through the conditions >> quite in detail, but I want to make sure that this body just so we can make um if you can zoom zoom in on that, we can really go through all the 18 conditions that are listed here and and and get that right so we can um >> that we're not >> What page are they on? >> 10. Then typically we don't go quite in detail. >> We read them. >> We've read them. >> We read them. >> We've read them. We see that. We know what that we we've read them. >> The website them. >> I guess what I want to know is there is there a a situation where we this gets approved and you're working with the city and they want to they roundabout's probably the way to go and then they say they're not going to do it and they're already building. Is that >> No, they can't build until they get final plat approval. >> Okay. So that's this that's the the >> yeah the final time is when they can start but they can't build until they get infrastructure in. Okay. >> So the infrastructure has to go in first and then then they have to apply for building permits and then then they can start building. That's why the developer said building wouldn't start until next year. Probably next fall I believe he said. >> Okay. So there isn't a sort of situation where that would ever happen. Okay. So, even if it goes to the city council and you guys, you know, where the where the approval sits for for um for the uh PUD and and preliminary plat, that doesn't mean it's >> they can't start with preliminary plat. And we've been really firm on that. We've had other developments come in and asking for uh approval to start something before they've finished preliminary plat or met all the conditions. and we've been pretty firm on that and I think, you know, we'll be looking at that heads up. Um, and we're going to look at the conditions and make sure that um that they're all met before we do final. >> Okay. >> Had a question that didn't come up, which I was surprised about. Um, in all of these hearings so far, lots of people talked about the landscape blocking that would happen to sort of shield this from other spaces. And I was a little bit surprised that um some of the lots on specifically on Buck Lake Road and the surrounding areas didn't talk about that. Um and I know there was quite a bit of information about like the specific trees that would be put in. Um, I just thought it was kind of unusual that that wasn't concerned. And I feel like a trees is sort of okay, but it we didn't we just hadn't talked about um, you know, if there's any BMS or any other sort of site break between the the development and seven and the surrounding areas. It's just surprising. M >> do you think you should have that or >> I mean it's I think it's kind of nice to not just drive down a highway in a place that we all love because it's very rural looking and >> as long as it doesn't affect like sight lines for sure for >> but every other development people have commented on that for all of these large developments. Just thought it was interesting. >> Okay. >> Anything else? Oh, [clears throat] I >> I couldn't find what was the item that spoke to uh the playground area. >> Well, it's not on yet. >> We need to add it. We need to add it. >> We need to add it. >> Add a I think we talked about um so I don't know if it's appropriate, mayor, uh the question to you. Would we want to encourage um through the pre-plat like you know site uh improvement that there's some kind of construction traffic management >> you know for >> yeah I mean >> is that or is that automatic at the council? >> I wouldn't say it's automatic but um you can certainly put it in as a condition because we would do that anyway but I would say if you want to cover your bases >> you could you could make that as a condition. So, what I'm hearing from this body is obviously green space. Um, uh, I guess reinforcing the traffic study, the importance of it. Um, and then, uh, we got construction traffic management so that way it's not driving through, um, uh, unpaved roads. So, you know, uh, and stuff like that. Um and then um a I you guys have to figure out how how we're gonna comment, but encouraging green space because that's a that's a parks process, right? That's not really on us. >> Well, it it is because you're making a recommendation um for a preliminary plat. Say you could just say you you're recommending that a park of some sort, a homeowners association park be provided or open space or green space. >> Okay. >> Anything else? >> And then did you want to have a um stipulation about construction traffic being >> Yeah, we talked about construction traffic. It's just >> you're making a note to the >> construction traffic. >> Yeah. I think one of the neighbors brought that up. >> So >> construction traffic management plan. >> Yeah. I mean one one way one way in and out for at least with the council figure that out how how it's managed those. >> Yeah. I'm just like thinking I think where I live in Woodland Cove and we only had two ways out between Lotus and Kings Point and it it was a lot to handle. So I hope that maybe we add something for that. >> Okay. Ma'am, you're you had a question. I have regarding construction traffic control. Who's going to enforce that? Because that road is a water township road. We don't have a police department. >> We do. >> But are you going to enforce construction traffic coming down Swed Buck Lake Road to get down to the development? Well, there's going to be obviously there's a limit, but uh we can see where traffic is coming from and they can be told that they can't do that and if they do, they could be ticketed. I think we'd have to look into that. >> We understand how that's going to be covered. >> Okay, >> I can address that. We are already going to restrict traffic off of Buck Lake Road for the construction traffic. So, we're going to restrict that with all our subcontractors. And that's not to say one guy won't go rogue and do that at one point in time, but if anyone sees that, contact us right away and we'll make sure our subcontractors are not on that. >> And and then again, if it's continual, um our police department could um could handle that as well. But um we and we've put up signs um saying no construction traffic beyond this point. Um uh we've and and most most likely they're not going to want to travel miles and miles on a dirt road. Not when there's a a paved highway right where they can access the development from. So that's something to consider too. Okay. So, so we have those three additional conditions that we're looking to add. Any other conditions? >> That covers it for me. >> Was that for me? >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, I have a question. Mayor, >> I am the mayor. >> Nice to meet you, too. Yeah, people are looking >> I'm going to interrupt you because you know why we have 19 miles of gravel roads in Minatrista. We are well aware of gravel roads and they're and their challenges. We know that. So we will try and work with you and and with Watertown Township. Um I can't make any promises but we are well aware of the um of the challenges that gravel roads um pro provide us. So we know that >> you know people are walking that work on keep going. >> Well we um do dust abatement on all of our gravel roads. So yeah. So >> uh back to the body here. Um I have three additional comments that um conditions that we want to add to this. Um is anyone you know obviously we can't do the traffic study. So I guess in the spirit of getting the traffic study done but the understanding of kind of being able to to safely uh advance this to meet the conditions and the uh concerns that the neighbors have. I mean, obviously my recommendation would be to approve this so they can get to the make it make a recommendation for approval so we can get to that point. >> Yeah. >> And then through the process, obviously there's lots of opportunities for neighbors to continue to comment so on so forth. That that would be the the most logical thing to do. >> Yeah. I think we can make this motion with 1 through 18 and add these three. >> Yeah. >> If we're agreeable. >> You want to do it? >> Go for that. >> Okay. You're out. You're up, girl. Yeah, the three the three would be um we got the uh construction traffic management to restrict traffic through um Buck Lake Road >> north of whatever that looks like >> north. Yeah. >> Um uh I guess encouragement of green space, some type of green space and then um reaffirm reaffirming the importance for the uh traffic study. Is that what you have? >> Yep. and the outcome of that study to satisfy what they want. We'll figure that out. Okay. >> So, I'll make a motion to recommend the city council adopt an ordinance reszoning the properties to PUD planned unit development and a resolution approving the preliminary plat known as 7 Oaks subject to the conditions outlined in staff report 1 through 18 and three these three additional conditions of looking at adding some sort of park or green space to the plan um for the kids. two, um having a construction traffic management plan approved um to especially focused on reducing northbound traffic and keeping them off the gravel road of our neighbor Watertown. And then um three in addition to the item number two of the traffic study take reinforcing that the results resulting solution from that traffic study should um make that that Buck Lake corner very safe. Whatever they decide something >> Well, it has to be that way. That's what Yeah. >> Right. Well, that that's >> I'm not going to say that. >> I'm not going to say that. But that's she she outlined the process in which the construction can start and that has to be in place first. >> The construction that could be >> before construction of the homes. That's fair. But it's not probably going to be before construction starts if they start grading >> for the reasons that we talked about which are we don't want the road destroyed before it gets done. But if we have construction traffic management partnered with that, that should resolve both issues, right? which is why we added the three, not just the two, >> right? >> Yeah, but there won't be houses yet. So, >> yeah. >> Can you guarantee us that there will be a roundabout for you? >> We can't guarantee that. >> Well, then I think we should stop his promotion and pull that project until it's properly >> right before the talking circles and you're making sort of fools to the rest of us. We're not waiting. >> Sir, sir, sir, >> we're not making fools of you. This is an open public forum meeting where we're taking all of what you've said and all of your input and we're taking it we're we're listening. Okay. Now, having said that, I've said this before and I'm going to say it again. Mindot has the final approval as to what type of um intersection there's going to be and if if the council and the planning commission and staff feel that the roundabout is the best solution here then we will work as diligently as we can to make that happen. But again, a final >> this the third meeting we've been at last and >> that's because it's a process. >> The last time you asked us to leave so you could carry on your regular meeting. We're all leaving here with we would just assume it's a waste of our time. >> No, I put in that you're going to represent >> Highway 7 and >> Well, I can I can I can tell you that this body does care about >> I wouldn't be here >> comments here >> 8:00 at night if we didn't. >> We're citizens. >> We're neighbors, too. I mean, we we do not financially benefit. Like, I'm I'm actually, if I could I mean, I I'm I think the density is a little too 3.5 is is is a lot, but we have no choice. >> Like, it's it's it's tough to um and we're, you know, I guess restricted and we have to encourage the process so we can um support what you're looking for. I believe me, it's a process. And I I promise you that no one here, including the mayor or anyone on this commission body, and I'll I'll put my foot out there and and and and say that the council, they they are not trying to push an agenda in regards to, you know, pushing the um these developments down our neighbors throats. >> You got to trust us, I I mean, I live in Woodland Cove and I'm a a resident there and they've done everything to make that a safer way for us to get in and out. And so, I have a lot of confidence in the mayor and the council that is going to do right by what you guys want. >> I've lived here my whole life. I've got a farm in Watertown. My dad's in Bonnie. I'm a Minatrista. I care about this a lot. >> So, hold on. Could just a minute, Mr. Chair, can I say a few words? So um in kind of to answer the you had you said that you've been at three meetings and that's correct. So there's a whole process that we have to go through and we go through this process in order to get input from the community and from individuals. So the process here was one first we had to decide whether or not we wanted to incorporate this parcel into what's called the Musa. That's metro, that's the urban service area. In other words, are we going to extend urban services such as sewer and water to this property? So, that was the first meeting and that was the meeting where we decided or the planning commission and then ultimately the council decided, okay, we're okay with including this into our urban service area. Then it had to go to the Met Council. And then from the Met Council, it had to go to a whole lot of different organizations. Um the Met Council, DNR, I mean, we're talking a lot of different um entities. And then once that was approved, okay, that was the first meeting. Then there's called a sketch plan or a or a concept plan. That's the second meeting. And that's when the developer comes in and test it's a high level like 10,000 ft up up just kind of giving the community an idea as to what they have in mind. And then from there then then the developer goes out and develops a little more um details in the plan. And then he's comes back and he's here now tonight. So this is the third meeting. Then the next meeting and this is the planning commission meeting. This is what's called a public hearing. It's a public meeting, but it's also a public hearing. There's two that's a difference. The public hearing means that you all have an opportunity and the right to speak to the planning commission and they have to they have to listen to you. They have to open it up. They have to take your comments. And that's what they've done tonight. Then the next step is it goes to the city council because they have a recommendation and it's only a recommendation. It comes to the city council at a open public meeting. It's not a public hearing but a meeting. And I would say to you whenever we have an agenda item like this, I do open it up to the public. I'm going to probably limit it to to not two hours, but I will also invite a few comments as well just so that the rest of the council can hear the comments and some of the things that you all have said here tonight. But not only that, but I too will share these comments with the council in addition to sharing them with staff. And we're also going to be talking to the developer in the meantime as well. So that's now the fourth reading where we're going to take comments. We're going to take your input. We're going to decide what we can do to make this happen, but also to make it safe for all of you because that's really the biggest issue that we've heard here tonight. You're concerned about the traffic on Oakuck Buck Lake. >> Buck [laughter] Lake Buck Lake. Sorry about that. Um Buck Lake, we hear you loud and clear. You've also said you're concerned about the um ingress and egress and about safety. We hear you loud and clear. We're going to do what we can. Um but we also want development to occur in Minatrista and the reason why is because we have to. The med council tells us that we have to have so many more units come into our de into our community and it has to be at a density of 3.5 units an acre. So, we look at it and we say, "Where is the best place to do this?" And we've looked at it. It's close to infrastructure. It's close to a major highway. And [snorts] so, we've looked at all of that, but there's al all these other things that have been brought up tonight, as well as what's in the recommendations that we're going to be looking at as well. And we're going to try and make this the a very good development, but something that's also going to be safe for all of you. And uh mayor, I just want to clarify so the audience can um and people at home can hear the next process at you know if the if if it were to be approved at city council is that the developer can move forward uh with the traffic study and then if they can do the the um I guess site improvement with the conditions that are set forth in that >> they have to come in for final approval before they can start digging. Okay. >> And then is there more can like is there a path? >> Well, they have to come in for final approval >> before homes could be built as well. >> Yes. Yeah. They they can't do anything. They can't bring a bulldoing. They can't do anything until they get final approval. They're not going to get final approval until all of the conditions in the preliminary plan are are met. >> It does feel slow and it does feel circular and it's slow on purpose so that you all get to have a voice. You don't we don't want it to go fast. I mean, not too fast. >> I would just say you need to um check our website because we're only required to send out notices for >> I I bet this gentleman up here will help you out. [laughter] I bet they can help you out. >> Well, okay. Let me let me explain that. Let me explain that we are required by our ordinances and by state statute to send out public notices for a public hearing. Okay? We are not required to do that by state law for a public meeting. Okay? Remember I said that there's a difference. So when for our city council meeting, we don't need to send all of you in in another public notice. So, what I'm telling you to do is go on our website and check and see what the agendas are. We meet the first and third Mondays of every month. The um agendas usually come out on a Thursday afternoon or Friday morning. Just check it, see what's on the agenda. This item is probably going to be on the August 3rd meeting. I say probably because it's not not set yet. And so, but we're not going to notify all of you because that's an extra time, extra money, and we we we just can't do that. So, check our website. Okay. Well, then you're doing a good job. >> I ma'am, I'm sorry. Thank you. Okay. >> Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate it. So again, neighbors, um, you know, I I I wholeheartedly believe that this body, the city council, the city, um, they're listening, too. So, uh, I I don't know if what that's worth to you, but I mean, that's that's my opinion. I think the my fellow commissions would share that. So, all right. Um, >> I second. >> So, you made a motion. >> I did condition 1 through 18 >> plus the additional three. I'm looking for a second. >> Second. >> Okay, Lindsay. Second that. All in favor? >> I. >> That was um um all of us. >> Unanimous. >> Unanimously. >> It's getting late. >> You got that. Any questions at all? >> Added We've added the concerns. Now we pass it to council and there'll be more stuff >> and that is likely to be on the August 3rd. >> Yep. >> In some capacity. >> In some capacity. Correct. Okay. You'll have a you have an opportunity to be there as well. >> And all the times are on the website when the meetings are. >> Those three things don't sound like a lot, but I promise they hold weight. >> They do. >> As the developer is nodding over here, he's like, >> "Okay, got to get out." >> Like, "Oh, boy." >> Yeah. >> We just added to his list of things to do. So, >> all right. >> Yeah. Yep. >> All right. Awesome. All right. Next item on the agenda is >> if people want to want to go who wants leave >> D [laughter] comprehensive plan amendment. I'll give everyone a moment to step out if they choose to. Uh you're more than welcome to stay. >> I was confused by all the Carver County stuff under this one. We're not in Carver County Road >> there. Oh Buck Lake Road is part of Watertown which is Carver. >> Oh, I was like wait a second. Okay. I got lost in her. >> I was like, "Wait a second." I mean, I love Carver County >> pictures. >> I should be car I should be Carver County. >> That's [clears throat] true. That's true. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> I'm like, "Wait a second. >> It is a good thing." >> Good to know. County, [laughter] can you tell Nicholas, what page is that on? 111. 11. Okay. Thank you. >> [laughter] >> Okay. [clears throat] So, we have uh the next item on the agenda. Can you tell us about that? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Thank you, chair. Uh members of the commission. Um the last hearing this evening is a application for a comprehensive plan amendment and a uh expansion of the muse line, the metro urban services area. Uh the property questions 3500 County Road 92 located on the northeast corner of St. Bonnie in Metrista, south of 110 and east of 92. Um it's about a 68 69 acre parcel um gross size. Um the request would be to take that from the current stage development urban reserve area to a residential low medium um in that 3.5 units per acre that we've discussed with the previous application that the mech council's outlining in their 2050 system statements. Um so in your staff report I have outlined some of the things to think about. Um this time I did also include um I know we got some new new parties in here. um kind of an outline of the process of how the development works where the comprehensive plan amendment is really the first step in the process. Um you work through that with the city and then the Met Council. Um once it makes it through that process should it go forward. Um you know we do have a a conceptual level plan here. So um do have some of that to discuss but the applicant could submit a formal application for that if they chose. Um then we'd have a preliminary plat um and a reasonzoning hearing just like we had before. um that would happen down the line after the conditions and everything of the comprehensive plan amendment. Like I said, should it move forward and should everything be satisfied? Um so kind of outline that for you. If there's questions about that, I'm happy to um to discuss that and answer those questions as needed. Um we did send out um notice for a comprehensive plan amendment. It is a 500 foot notice. Um so we did send those out. Um we did speak with one person regarding it, but we did not get any formal written comments um regarding this. But we do have some individuals here um that would be welcome to speak at the public hearing. Um so looking at the information provided by the applicant um and kind of looking at the city's long range plan. Um this is an area that's in a staged area. So it's an area certain the city could certainly consider for um possible urbanization which would be the first step would be the comprehensive plan amendment. Um, so the commission here should hold the public hearing, give people the opportunity to speak before it decides to make a recommendation. Um, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask. We do have our applicant here as well, um, who can give some comments as well if that's needed. >> So, this body, we're going to be recommending the uh, comprehensive plan amendment. You guys have any questions before we open the hearing? >> No. >> You good? >> No, I'm good. >> Do you need to use the restroom? I just want to make sure you're good. I'm okay. You okay? >> I'm not contagious. I just am call >> glad to hear that. [laughter] >> Mayor appreciates that the Mayo Clinic. >> Yeah, >> we're working on it. >> All right. >> Okay. Um then let's open up the public hearing for um item number B, the comprehensive plan. Um excuse me. >> Anyone here to speak to that? What's going to [clears throat] happen? >> So, okay. >> Like, are you looking for like the plan, the layout? >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Something like this. So again, what we're doing here tonight is simply deciding whether or not I mean the first step whether or not it should be included in the it's called metropolitan urban service area. That means then it would be um designated as being um receiving city sewer and water or primarily sewer is the issue but um so it' be included in what's called the MUSA. So that's the first step. So they uh the planning commission has to take input public comments regarding that part of it. Once it's in the Musa then it can be developed. So what the developer has done is shown a a a potential plan. I mean it's just maybe maybe this is what we'll do. Um so we don't really have to look at the the plan. I mean, if you want to make comments, that's fine. But right now, tonight, it's just basically whether or not we want to amend our comprehensive plan to bring this into the the urban service area. Does that make sense? Okay. And then the next step would be so then then the next step is sometimes they do sketch plan, but sometimes not. So then the next step would be preliminary. Um, it it all kind of depends. And I'm not trying to be wishy-washy here, but I'm just trying to say so sometimes they come in, what's called sketch plan, and that means a a concept plan. That's another name for it. And then after that, they come in with the preliminary plan, which is what we did previously with the other development. And that's where you really get down into the nitty-gritty and where you really look at the details. And you want to make sure that you have all those details done. And you want to make sure you get all the details in there before you so that when the developer goes back to the drawing board, then when they come back for the final approval, if they've met all of those conditions, then it's basically approved. Okay. So, it's it's a step process. Does everybody understand that or >> I I'll definitely tell you like this concept right here could be completely different. We've seen a we've seen like you know in this phase we you know by the time it gets to the next phase it could be >> you know you know completely flipped around who knows and you know it it just it changes quite a bit between >> and we're not approving this. We're not approving this plan. >> It might be 117 >> because that's what we're actually approving, right? >> Yeah. Go back. >> Like if you look at if you switch it to page 117 which is itty bitty tiny but he has a zoom button. What we're doing now is we're saying, do we think that this yellow area, like we have parts that are permanently rural, parts of it are, you know, 20 acre lots. We know that the Met Council is going to us to increase our density. Is this an area where it's a place to put some of that density that we know we have to do? >> Does it make sense to put it here? >> That's what we're >> Did I describe that? Okay. And if you are down at this point, you got a name and address. >> She opened the Yeah, we've been talking. >> Dean Peters and I live in St. Bonafacious. My backyard puts up 8680 Trista Lane East. So, um, and I know this is going to be a weird question, but as a as a person in a different city invited to this thing, I have to ask the question is is uh what is St. Bonnie's involvement as far as this going forward like water coming from St. Bonnie is the s is the sewer >> fire department >> passing through St. Bonnie and causes additional fees, volume problems. I know the traffic, just like that last thing, I can tell you that we try to walk across 92 to get to the other neighborhood just to walk and the traffic's awful. It needs a stoplight there as it is. And so now I'm thinking of um >> 100 plus cars coming out of the impact again, that kind of thing. But um what is what is like what does St. Bonnie what do you have to work with on St. Bonnie in order for this? >> I can answer that. So couple things. One, uh we do not uh we're not hooking up this development or any other development in in Minitrista to St. Bonnie water. We are in the throws of uh building our third water treatment plant to the tune of over $20 million. So we want to recoup that money and that's so the people that come or develop in Minitrista are going to be on Minatrista water. Okay. Um as far as um fire so we have our own police um department we and and as you know we also uh St. Bonnie contracts with us for policing. So our police department will take care of um safety issues there. But the other thing is we contract with uh St. Bonnie Fire and then they provide a fire service to Minatrista. And this is an area that they would provide fire service to. One of the things that we go through is we do talk to our public safety people, especially our fire department. They have to look at everything and as they will with the previous development and they'll tell us what what um is needed and how they can uh provide fire service for us. The other thing that we've been doing for fire protection is we've been talking with mound to try and create a fire district or fire JPA or and they already work together very closely. So, I think we're pretty well covered. The good thing for you is the more de um development that Minatrista has. Guess what? We pay more for your fire department and you pay less. So, that's kind of a good thing for you. As far as roads go, uh they shouldn't have to go through um St. Bonnie roads. The only one that they would would would might affect would be Highland, but we're going to be looking at that to see how we can minimize traffic on Highland. Um I've already talked mentioned that before to staff, so we're going to be looking at that. Um they will be we'd prefer that they go out to the county road or to this um 110 or to 92. Um so we'll be talking about all those issues but um sewer goes uh to Minatrista and I don't think in this case that it goes through through St. Bonnie. >> Um and then not to be cynical but uh um why are we invited here? >> Because you're within the 500 ft that's required. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> You're forced to but if you have comments we're we're here to listen to what you have to say as well. So then uh when would be the next meeting for us in like what the other development just happened? >> It can be anywhere from 3 to 6 months. >> Yeah. I mean because it's obviously goes through our process here um and then it has to go to the Met Council and they can take a couple months on their end um to review it. So until that gets completed until they get all their you know preliminary drawings like you saw in the last um packet item. though it's hard to say. I mean, um, >> and we've seen instances where there are other properties that don't necessarily pass the next phase, right? >> May, you know, developer may choose not to move forward. You know, it's kind of like on them as well if they want to continue to push it forward. There's been, >> you know, but, you know, [clears throat] granted like like uh the mayor said before, if you're within 500, you know, feet, you're going to get this notification for the public hearing every single time. Well, and maybe this is a little too early, but I just want to put the two cents in is that if >> you know, I've been here. I think we were the fifth house in in St. Bonnie, and so we've we've seen this area grow >> in that development. I bet. Not in St. Bonnie, though. >> Oh, I'm sorry. [laughter] In that development, >> I know what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. >> And so, I went through the stage of having children grow up to be and there's nowhere to bike. there's just, you know, you go down the hill and that kind of thing. So, if you were going to build a development that close to St. Bonnie, whether it's called St. Bonnie or Minatrist, I would hope that you would factor in that the people here would want to go there and the people there would want to go here. >> When I see that that that design, and I know it's real early, >> there's nothing to cut in through into there. So, you'd have to go seven in order to come in. You see what I'm saying? and and then um and so I would hope that you would >> factor in the fact that we would be right next to you guys and we would want to be >> seen as kind of big neighborhood >> that's kind of >> paying our taxes to different places >> connected communities >> y >> you know what I mean >> right >> very good comment thank you so much sir >> and we'll be looking forward to my wife just retired I'm about to retire so we figure we're gonna are coming to these things. >> Okay, [laughter] >> this is our first one, so we're like, "Oh boy, we got a lot." If >> you think this is fun, you go to city council meeting. Those would have been more fun. >> We will. >> They're usually not this spicy, honest. >> Yeah. Well, they can they can be spicy sometimes, but yeah. >> Anyone else would like to speak on this matter? >> Did you open the public hearing? >> Yeah. >> Okay. He just started talking outside. >> Yeah. Yes, ma'am. >> Um my name is Katherine Jaki. I live uh 8960 Trista Lane in St. Bonafacious. um one of your neighbors um for something like this. I just had a question. Um the developer for the last property, the last uh development mentioned that one of the u manhole covers on uh Wildwood would connect to that property. Is there a similar hookup? I know you just said the water won't come through, but sewer. >> Um first of all, we haven't done a lot of the engineering yet on this. Okay. Um so, uh and we're working with St. Bonnie on that agreement and um it actually will benefit St. Bonnie. So, but I don't I don't think so, but I can't tell you for sure because I'm not the engineer on the project and we I don't even know if any engineering has been done. >> Okay. >> But that would be the next process after this. >> So, it would help because I know the St. Bonnie sewer system is >> old. So, that would be a net benefit. >> We're actually looking at that um and and talking with the developer and St. Bonnie regarding that issue. I mean for Yeah. So we we don't want to be a bad neighbor in that regard. >> Great neighbors. >> Anyone else like to speak on this matter, sir? Name and address when you get to the mic. >> Fouse 3585 Highland. I'll try to keep this simple. So yes or no questions. First of all, the Met Council 3.5. They want you to meet that density and you can't go below it. Correct. >> Correct. Yes. >> I don't want to get into specifics. I'm assuming the next meeting would be for specifics about the development, traffic, entrances, stuff like that. Correct. Correct. Correct. >> Um, if you guys okay for this, who pays for that? Because it seems to me the city, my taxes pay for city water and sewer to get up there and a developer makes a lot of money. >> Just a resident. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Um, no, you don't pay for that. The developer does. Thank you. >> So we make sure that so we've been very clear I mean for many many many many many years that when a development comes in a development pays for the development. >> Okay. This particular this might be for the next meeting but I'll have to say it anyways. This particular map here shows a huge amount of forest being knocked down. >> An amount of what? >> Forest. >> Okay. >> Green. >> There's not a lot. I mean Yeah. Okay. >> I live there. I know. >> Okay. Um I drive by it every day. I don't stop. >> But so if that was being kept in there the request to keep more green space and keep places for the deer and the and the um turkeys, the guy would maybe have to put for me council approved might have to put on more high density housing like town homes and things. >> Yeah, possibly. Yeah. And that's something to look at. >> That's how it works with the Met Council, >> right? Okay. >> Overall average. Yep. So yeah, if they were to take conservation areas that would likely you could saw how the plan laid out with single family at 3 and a half to your point that forest a lot of it goes down. So yes, if they wanted to conserve that it would result in a higher density of town home or something like that in other areas of the development that maybe are open, >> right? So I was thinking about that >> and that's good point. Thank you. >> All right. And and the example um to what you talked about before, sir, is the developer in previous meeting or previous um I guess agenda item. They were building the lift station and then turning that over to the city count city for for for maintenance. And that's an example of them covering that cost. >> Yeah. So they have to put in all the infrastructure um and in this case they would have to put in um the sewer lines connecting to wherever um and water lines as well. So yeah all of that is paid for by the um developer. >> Correct. >> Anybody else like to speak on this on this matter? >> Okay, we got two more. Sonia FA to 3585 Highland Road. We are the little we we meet the property in question um just to the south and just to the east. >> Sorry. Manchester or St. Bonnie. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Right next door to us. >> Right. So obviously we know the land well and we adore Dave and Sue and we understand this is a big deal to sell that property. Um I have a hard time with it and I know this is early in the process but um the traffic is a huge issue. I was here two years ago talking about another issue up on the uh corner of 110 and 92 And ultimately it was decided at that time the two factors why that wasn't allowed or limited cup was a traffic and b the quality of the rural life that Minatrista has. And I know this is early not a lot of neighbors are here right now but the consensus is the same. And when you're looking at 200 houses going in there being subject to the Met Council, you know, we could end up with apartment buildings. We could end up with I don't know what else. You know a lot more than I do, but just because the developer came up with this conceptual plan right now, it could be very different. And I think we need to look ahead and say, is that something we want to look at or have to deal with down the road? >> I don't think it's going to be apartment complex cuz it's residential, low medium. >> Yeah. >> I don't think that that's an option >> even with the with the trees and all that. I'm, you know, I I'm guessing the trees would just be wiped down, which is a shame. And that's just my second point. I know you guys have all had a really long night and you're talking about the same thing over and over. Um being here for the other development was very helpful for us and taught us a lot of things. >> But um so a traffic study of course Highland cannot handle that. Um, like I said, two years ago, we can sit in our living room, which is in the front of the house, and we can hear conversations of bikers coming down the road. And because of the the valley that we're in and you put 200 more houses in there, let alone you know maybe uh you know the senior center and you know more ambulances and poles and that sort of thing. It it it would traffic study, a noise study and then also environmental. We have deer go back and forth across our yard. We have turkeys. Um the segers been very good stewards of that land and there's not much of that right in our area because we have all these neighborhoods around there except for going down H Hallstead of course. Um so I I would is there a way to do an environmental study? I mean where are these animals going to go? >> So it it depends on the size of the development. um there's called an EA, so an environmental assessment worksheet. Um sometimes if it's large enough, and I don't think this um meets that criteria, but um they have to do um an even more in-depth study. I don't think they have to do it with this one. Okay. But they have to generally they'll have to do an they'll have to do an environmental assessment worksheet, I think. >> No, that's >> they don't I don't believe this meets the threshold unfortunately for that. So, I don't think I mean it's up to them if they want to do that for their own planning, but I don't think anything in our ordinance or in the Met Council's ordinance would require them to do that. Um, I don't believe they meet the the uh unit total threshold. There's thresholds that you have to exceed to get either an EAW or AUR, which is even a further advanced environmental study. Um, I don't believe that this development would meet those thresholds, unfortunately. So, >> okay. Um, well, just this is kind of offthe-wall, but we use the trail a lot. And, uh, just yesterday, our oldest son was saying that, "Mom, watch for deer on the trail." Cuz I had a bike accident earlier this year, broke my arm, and he said, "Watch for deer on the trail. If anyone's going to hit a deer, it'll be you." So, you know, I'm just thinking, you know, you >> sign dead. >> Enough said. You get my point. Um, >> you can have the deer from my neighborhood. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> So, I guess I encourage you as a commission to consider, do we need another neighborhood right there where we have a lot of neighbors where there's going to be great disruption bringing um the uh water and sewer up the road when you have a big development going in west on seven. And then what hasn't been discussed tonight is the big development east on seven. Um, and I don't even know how many houses are in that one, but it runs basically a little past County Road 11 down to Grim Road. That's going to be a lot of cars. Great tax base, but it's going to be a lot of cars. So, I would encourage you just to think about do you even want it to get to that Met Council layer where they're going to tell us or tell you here's what you're going to have. So, okay, that's my thoughts. Thank you. >> Say to the neighbors here is that there's a um 2040 plan that that's that's done. Um and uh that that's, you know, that's really important to pay attention to. I know we're starting that process now. Um and and when we're looking at that full map can go to previous map. Um yeah, that's 17. And they're talking about the density and where to, you know, I mean, it's it's it's a negotiation between the city and the Met Council. And when they're doing that 2040 plan, you know, >> density is never an um >> I mean, they they just dictate the density to us. And we worked hard. I don't know if you all of you know this. They wanted to do over four units an acre. They wanted to make that a requirement and we worked hard with our representatives and with other representatives on this metropolitan council and encouraged them to to bring it down. We wanted three units an acre [snorts] but um it ended up being 3.5 and we we did everything we could to bring it down. >> Yeah. >> So I I just wanted to mention that that 2040 uh planning when when when it uh the comments are open. It's really important to make those comments because, you know, several years later, you know, we get affected by all this. So, you know, encourage everyone to >> make those comments at that time as well as when we're, you know, you know, bodies like this. So, >> Okay. Well, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Absolutely. >> Anybody else? I we had >> she was next right here. >> Hello, my [clears throat] name is Marge Moran. I'm at 367 H Idleberg Lane in St. Bonnie. >> Okay. >> I would appreciate it if you would vote uh to stay with your comprehensive plan as is. I see a need for more development uh on the north side of St. Bonnie. You've got it on the east, you've got it on the west. 92 is a problem. 110 is a problem. There's no walking trail or pathway along 92 to get to downtown St. Bonnie. Um, I don't even walk to get the mail anymore because that road is dangerous. And as uh some previous people have mentioned, it's hard to cross 92. I water the plants by the cemetery and I get the water from the church. I get in the car and I drive across the road to get my water and to come back because I don't want to cross 92 with a pale of water. So, [sighs] you know, I just I really don't see the need for all this development in a three or four year span. I think the 2040 is more reasonable. Um, Highland Road is going to be a problem because people will scoop down there up and down. They'll get off and I do it myself. I get off on Highland Road to avoid 92 and come into my house through the back roads. So I I just [clears throat] would encourage you to vote to stay with your comprehensive plan as is. Thank you. [clears throat] >> You want to make another comment, please? >> I'm Angela Bol. Uh we own 8700 County Road, 110 West. And um my only comment is that it is a shame that we were going to be building you know in the next 6 months to a year and then to um now potentially have a development across you know 110 from us. Um so my hope is that you know if the development does go forward that you know there is you know some green spaces that there is potentially you know a burm or some type of you know trees along that so that it kind of keeps that open space you know that we all really love about Minatrista. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you everyone. >> All right. Anyone else? >> Okay. I'm going to close the hearing uh and then we can discuss. So I guess my question is if we didn't recommend um and the council didn't approve this, those applicants um what what what could they build there? >> They could subdivide into 10acre lots. >> 10acre lots. Yep. >> Yeah, >> that's what I thought. >> Mhm. >> They do with those 10 acre lots. >> So, with the developments that we have approved, um MUSA's four, do we need this now or when when do we anticipate we need more? >> We really won't know until we hear from the Met Council. So um the med council what they do is they say uh one you have to update your comprehensive plan every 10 years and the 10 years is coming up real soon. In fact we have already approved a committee to um work on our next update which is due in 20 um 28 in December of 2028. And so we're we're talking 2 years from now. Um, also what the Met Council does is they have all these they're called systems and they say you have to you have to provide us and you have to provide us with information for all these systems storm water runoff uh wetlands um uh transportation dense housing and so on and so and and the comprehensive plan is about yay and um it consists of a lot of different things um and it's very indepth so what we but the other thing we do is bes Besides telling us how what the density is for each development, they also tell us how many new units or how many additional units the city has to absorb in the metro area. So they say Minitrista, you're on the hook for I I'm just using a figurative number. Okay? They say you're on the hook for 500 more units for your 20 uh50 comp 2040 2050 comprehensive plan. And then and then in addition to that, you have to develop at 3.5 units an acre. So we have to look at those two things. We have to look at how many units are they going to require us to add to our community and then at what density and and and we're really that's out of our control. >> And an additional thing that's out of our control is those property owners get to choose what they want to do with their property. So the even though we do the plan, we don't know when >> and where, >> you know, that that property owner is going to choose to, you know, make an investment because certainly that property owner could have decided, well, I don't need that, you know, I don't want to join the >> the the Musa and and just do the you know, we can't stop them from doing the 10acre, >> right? So even Yeah, you're that's absolutely correct. So um currently we have a few more properties but not a lot that are in u the Musa area in Minatrista and so far those properties haven't developed for various reasons. Maybe they they want to sell but they haven't found the right buyer or maybe they they didn't develop for various reasons. But so we're we're running out of um space if you will out of properties that are currently within our our Musa area. So, we suspect, again, I can't say for sure cuz we don't know yet, but we suspect that we're probably going to be on the hook for x number of units. Now, with these two new developments that this uh lady mentioned, the one that we talked about earlier, plus the other one on Highway 7, we don't know if that's going to be sufficient in terms of the number of units. It might, but we also as a city look forward and look out, let's say, 10 years. And what we have to do is we have to say okay we want to plan slow moderate sustainable growth. In other words we don't want to do um explosive growth that's going to cause us a lot of pain because explosive growth does cause communities pain. But we have to look out and say okay where would development be the most efficient and the most uh make the most sense from infrastructure and from roads and then will do those do those properties meet th that requirement. So that's kind of what we're wrestling with right now. We're a little bit ahead of the game in terms of bringing more properties into the Musa, but the other so there's kind of a catch because if we don't because we have willing sellers or willing people right now, property owners that want to come in and if we say no, go away. Um maybe we do that. I don't know. But if we say no, we don't want to do that, go away, then in 5 years or six years, we're out of property. we're out of we're out of developments and then we have to start laying our staff off or we can't you know we we're not growing and so there there's a lot of and then we have this infrastructure that we have to pay for. That's the other thing. Uh we have all this water infrastructure that we've heavily invested in with the idea in mind that we're going to have more development. So what we try and do is the development that we have come in, we want to make it as as as best as possible. And we don't like development. We don't wish we could just kind of stay the way we are right now. That would be great, but that's also not reality. Um and so we have to do the best we can with what we have and what we're required to do. Does that make sense? So this being already part of urban reserve, this is an area that we identified as part of the comprehensive plan that would go residential when the opportunity >> presented itself, which it seems like it is. So that makes me feel like this is the right thing to do. >> Yeah. >> Even though I live down Hallstead and I don't love it. >> It's also hard to, you know, um you have these property owners that are, you know, wanting the highest and best use of their property, right? you know, and it kind of falls within. It's it's hard to, you know, impose what I know is going to be tough restrictions going forward through the process that there there are going to be restrictions and there are, you know, opportunities to um, you know, make [clears throat] sure that something that's desirable for the community is incorporated there. So, it's it's definitely a challenge. What? >> Yeah, >> we talk a lot about seven, but um what control or any would we have over the intersection between at 92 and 110? Like is that all M dot right there? So that's um Henipin County. Okay. And so what Henipin County does and obviously this will this if this this proceeds goes to Henipin County and they look at that and it's really I don't want to say in their court but we would have to work with them on a control at at 110 and 92. >> I was just wondering the governing body specifically. >> Yeah. It would be Henipin County in that case. Yeah. in in a sense they're a little bit easier to deal with because they're much they're a little bit smaller than Mindot, but >> you never know. I mean, >> yeah. Do you have an estimate of how many I mean I saw the preliminary um uh I guess the the concept drawing before? How many units would remind me again how many units they >> 237 237 Okay, >> you look at these are same each of these is the same body home and you've got these at like twice >> half the size. Why is the why is the density so different? >> Because when you when your development developed in St. Bonnie and when when did you move in there? Just >> Okay. And >> yeah. So when when Trista back in the '9s and early 2000s, you know what our density was? Two units an acre. And probably when you developed in your development, you probably were similar in terms of that density. That's why you have bigger lots. We would love to have two units an acre. We would love that. That would be great. But we can't do that now. It's unfortunate. But yeah, we used to develop, in fact, we developed at two units an acre and then the Met Council got on our case and said, "You have to do 2.5." So, I mean, not over the density. So, what what a developer can do is, and this is the case, this is kind of a scenario here. what they can do is they can put in town homes, you know, let's say a lot of town homes, and then they can create larger single family lots. And so that's often times what they'll do. Um, in the Woodland Cove development, for instance, in order to meet the density, we said, "Okay, we'll allow one apartment building." And, um, we were able to get a whole lot of density in that apartment building. And then we were able to have a little bit bigger lots in Woodland Cove. Not all over, but there were then some avail um available area that we could do larger lots. So, it kind of depends on on on the developer or the development and and the city. We kind of work together uh to try and bridge that as much as we can, but we don't have a lot of say. It's actually more. Yeah. Um I've heard horror stories. I've heard stories um that there's some uh communities that have as much as eight units or or four units. And so I I'm not exactly sure how they determine it, but um I've been talking to some other mayors and so we're fortunate we we have to consider ourselves fortunate that it's only 3.5. [laughter] But >> it does seem dense though. It does. Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, >> yeah. Interesting. >> I just want to make sure that we're we're still with >> So, again, tonight we're not not approving the the the layout or anything like that. just simply whether or not the community residents would like to see this added into the um into the developable area and um it is zoned currently as a stage development area and that has been the case for the last 8 and 1/2 years. So this >> yeah probably even before that. So um >> any other comments? >> You have another comment? No, >> you had another >> that. But a lot of the lots around this are 10 acre lots. Why were those allowed to be 10 acres, but this needs to be my back breaker? Can you explain? >> So, >> yeah, I mean I can if you want to. I mean, so the the agricultural zoning district allows the 1 per 10, and that's if you look back at this map here, um it's like the light olive green color or sorry, the dark olive green is the the 1 in 10. The light olive green is the one in 40. So somewhere between the 1 and 10 and the the 3 and 1/2 per one is this staged area where it acts a lot like the 1 and 10, but it gives the land owner the opportunity to make this application and make this request for the city to consider the possibility to move to the 3 and 1/2 units an acre. So it's called stage cuz it's kind of somewhere in between. Um, like I said, it acts more rural at one per 10 on its face, but when you come and you change the plan, then it gets to the three and a half. So, it's just areas that are like, hey, this might happen, it might not. I mean, we've had with our last go around on our comprehensive plan, we had a lot of the shifting of this staged area. There was some up in the northeast corner of the city. We took that all out because we weren't seeing the growth there. It wasn't likely to happen. There was also some in other areas around St. Bonnie. And actually this landowner in particular wanted to keep it the way it was in that staged area, not move to the the lighter um olive color. So they were looking forward at the time that hey this might happen and now we we're here and this uh developer is asking the request with um permission of the land owner to do that. So 1967. [laughter] >> They they were created by state state legislation to be the regional um >> policy makers planners for the seven county metro area and that happened in I believe it was 1967. Right. The >> current current rules. Yes. As we just talked about, at times it might have been two, it might have been three. >> As time goes on, there's they're finding room for people, it seems. So, >> and we've we've talked to our legislators about this, believe me. And uh asked them if they would kind of change the I mean, there's some, you know, change that change their authority over cities. Um but it hasn't happened yet. So >> if you're in your [laughter] [clears throat] >> All right. Um so any other comments with this body >> at some point? Yeah. >> You close. Oh. >> All right. It's closed. >> Yeah. Outside the line. Sure everyone, you know, we've got an audience that get everybody's comments in >> get collaborative. >> Um, >> no, I don't have any questions. I mean, >> so we addressed some utility issues, uh, transportation, road, uh, environmental like issues which I had written down because I saw the, you know, the large, you know, forest and I it's like, wow, that's a that's a lot. You know, what's wetland, what's not, what's what's, you know, who knows if it's truly going to be 68. I mean, you know, it could be significantly reduced based on, you know, different studies what we end up um, you know, uh, is actually buildable what the density and all that stuff ends up being, right? >> No. 3.5. >> 3.5. Yeah. I mean, I guess the number of units depending on how much net land is there. I mean, that could change a little bit, but I wouldn't expect >> if the net land changes, then that >> I don't believe a wetland delineation and that stuff has been studied. But, I mean, once that gets done, then you'll know what you're netting out and then you'll kind of know what three and a half looks like. I mean, I wouldn't anticipate a large change based on I mean, their concept plan provides enough detail where I mean, you're not going to get a dramatic shift and have, you know, twice as much wetland or something like that. Okay. >> That would seem unlikely. >> Mhm. >> Any other questions? >> None right now. So early. >> Let me see if I have any other questions here because we did discuss a lot. The timing we talked about that. All right. Pat. All right. That's that's it for me. I don't have any other questions. Anybody want to make a recommendation? Are we voting to have this block of yellow here move forward then with the developer? >> So, we're making a recommendation to city council to approve the compreh or amend the uh comprehensive plan to include this property in the Musa >> enable a developer to come in and take a look at it. >> Yeah, correct. >> Yeah. >> Early stage. >> Early stage. >> Early stage. What's the language you need? >> Yeah, >> it's on page 112. Do you want me to do it? >> Thank you. >> Motion to recommend the city council approve the requested comprehensive plan amendment at 3500 County Road 92 based on certain facts of finding certain findings of fact outlined in the staff report and subject to conditions one through two. I >> second. All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Okay, that was unanimous. >> All right. >> All right. [clears throat] >> Y you all. >> Thank you all. Have a good evening. >> Okay. So, next item on the agenda after everyone leaves going to be uh theformational items. So, staff report and then council. >> Wait until the staff leaves or the audience. Oh, >> thank you for leaving >> you guys. >> You guys, [clears throat] [laughter] >> thank you. >> I really appreciate >> I really appreciate you, you know, guiding and and and >> sorry, I don't mean to >> No, I'm serious because you get to help. >> It's so informative. >> You're helping them, you know, understand the process. happy when you're here when this is >> because the process is important and I think people >> it is a you know it's a it's a complicated process and and we appreciate your experience >> all they're hearing is that we're approving something they don't see that there's >> it hurt my perceptions everything they're thinking we're approving something >> yeah that comment that um >> that we were trying to like fool him >> and that's really so the o exact opposite of what we're trying to like we we we listened to all they said and we created three things and added it to to say that hey we heard you and it still didn't feel good. So having you help them understand and I want to say brought this up the last time this happened when we had a crowd here is that you got to have a handout that says when you're looking from bare land to a final approval for houses here's the process here's the steps today we're on number seven and that's what this meeting is about. I don't know why we don't do that. It's just it [laughter] seems so silly. >> Well, I I outlined it in the but I guess I didn't do a good enough job in the report. >> No, they just won't ever >> I'm thinking of a handout that they would say that they would see that says we're in a process of developing the land for the >> it might I mean just to level set this kind of means in the very beginning level set where we are in the process that might >> where we are in the process that there is a process and that we're not trying to slide something by them. We're not trying to ram something down their throats. this is what the developer has to do next. Here's what we do next. I think you could get that into one or two pages and have it sitting back there. Sure. So that when they come in, >> we're not the enemy. They're not going to read. They will they will pick it up and read it. >> I just think that's to to your point. I think that's a great idea. And I I I appreciate the mayor really sitting down and taking the time to explain to our neighbors. >> Sure. >> Really kind of what is and that was important, right? making sure that our neighbors understand where we are in the process. Like in order in order for us to support the safety, in order for us to support, you know, uh traffic study and everything else, like we got to, you know, make sure that it stays within the process, we keep it moving, right? >> Well, one of the things I think um we heard all we heard was they were concerned about the road and the safety. Yeah. And so, you know, those are the that's what we absolutely have. >> Seven's a nightmare. I mean I mean there's legislation right now going on about Highway 7, right? You know, Representative Mayor Meyer is heavily involved in Highway 7 overall and >> it's a conversation >> in general and I think so that really plays to that. >> Good job. >> Can we do staff and council reports so can't go home and I can't go home. >> Good job, guys. >> Yeah, that was good. >> Please, Nick. >> Um, >> yeah. Um, we do have a couple items coming through for August. So, plan on an August meeting. Um, both I think were setback variances, so hopefully not quite what we're dealing with tonight. Um, >> but yeah, so just those couple things. Um, trying to think of what we looked at last time. Um, I think ultimately everything went to the July 20th council meeting and I think everything ended up being fine. Um, end up getting approval. I think we had the >> the CUP IUP amendment. >> We had the CUP on Highway 7. Um and a couple other items that the dock length variance. Um and then whatever. I forget the other one. >> Site plan. >> The site plan. Yep. So, >> um yeah, I mean I guess that's kind of what I have. Um where are you guys? >> So, I'll try and be quick. So first of all uh the council agreed to put a moratorum on data centers for Minitrista. So um that um resolution will be coming back at our August 3rd meeting. >> How long is that moratorum? >> Um the moratorum is on for 18 months at the we can put it on for 18 months. But in the meantime, then it'll give us an opportunity um to kind of look at our ordinances to see what we can do to put some guard rails on and to put some maybe limitations in and so on because I know it's a big a big issue um big controversial issue and you think there's a lot of people here tonight if if a data center application came in you would there wouldn't yeah it would be a lot of mac and tunes right >> did we have some inquiries around data don't >> but other communities have and not only have other communities had in um applications in but even people have gone to council meetings asking their council to put moratoriums on and so on. So I thought let's just um um be ahead of the game here. So that's that's coming back. The other thing I'd like to in in just inform all of you there's two seats on the council that are up for election. I hope that some of you will consider um running and um Who's up? >> Um, Claudia Lacy and Peter Vickery. And Peter Vickery has announced that he's not running again. >> Claudia has uh signed up and one other person, as far as I know, I don't know her at all. Um, so that's coming up tomorrow is the deadline for applying or for filing. So it um 5:00 tomorrow. And um and then the other thing is um August 3rd we're going to have hold an open house. Um, I received an award uh by the League of Minnesota Cities. Um, it's a very um it's it's humbling. I mean, it's on the back. It's okay. What's it's a it's a very very very prestigious award. They give it give one award of a year and um it goes to an elected official in um municipal elected official. So, a city elected official and um I I got this awarded. Congratulations. Welld deserved. Very welld deserved. >> This isn't um like and I'll say this at the open house. It's um Monday night, August 3rd. Um we start at 5 and there'll be a short presentation around 6:15 and then and then at 6:30 we'll start our council meeting. But um this isn't my award. This is our award because I couldn't do it by myself. Um, we have fantastic staff um that has been very supportive and helpful. We have great commissioners. We have some some good council members um along the way. Um won't mention any names. Um >> I can mention one. >> No, no, no. Um and and we've and you know the voters in Minitrista have um been very kind and supportive. So um it really goes to all of us, but it's also good for Minitrista and um so I hope you guys will come. um August 3rd. That's um um next Monday, uh from 5 to 6:30. >> So, it's just our city. If it's just our >> anybody can come. >> Well, I thought you're talking about other like other city council members. >> Well, I know some I know some um mayors, some other mayors might be here and and then the League of Minnesota cities will be here and they have a a video that they did and they'll show that unfortunately. Um so, they'll show that and then um I'm sure they'll say a few words and then I get to say a few words. So, >> so congratulations again. >> Thank you. >> Anything else? >> Um, we're starting our road projects. Uh, there's a little bit of a glitch on uh Game Farm Road. They uh they've found some um how to say subs soils that weren't um that they needed to do corrections on, but other than that, it's moving along. It probably won't all of our road projects probably won't be wrapped up until maybe I want to say August, but end of August. I will not be at the meeting. in um the next planning commission meeting because I will be in Portugal but um so >> important place to live. >> Yeah. Well, I don't really just joking. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Don't give her any ideas. >> I just I've always wanted always wanted to live there. >> Yeah. >> I just question on on seven the the the improve you guys are in conversations when you when you when you talked about you know that piece of seven. Did you guys talk about >> We talked about um the Well, we we So, here's the thing. >> I've been Yeah, we've talked about that. We've been working with Mandot um and so there's a coalition. There's a Highway 7 coalition and also there's two different coalitions. There's a Highway 7 improvement coalition. There's a Highway 7 safety uh coalition. Our police department is part of the safety coalition. And I've been in talks and been part of the um improvement coalition. So, the improvements that are going to happen in 2029 on Highway 7 are from the far western border of of Henipin County, which is Minatrista, all the way to Christmas Lake Road. And those improvements right now include um Milan overlay and then some minor um tweaks and and maybe a few new um light at various intersections. What it doesn't include is roundabouts. And there's $11 million that's short. And if we can get that and that's why I was down in St. Paul numerous times besides trying to get money for our water treatment plan. I was also trying to get to get money for um road improvements for these roundabouts on Highway 7 because and then we also today I had a meeting with Mindot um along with a couple other people Jasper our city administrator and and another mayor and our senator and Johnson Stewart. And I what we were trying to do is number one figure out when if because they didn't get the 11 million this year. Hopefully they can get it next year. We don't know. Um there's there's a lot of moving parts here. But anyhow, we also talked to them about roundabouts on Highway 7 at at Hunress Hunter Crest and then um Oakuck [laughter] Lake >> Buck Lake. >> Buck Lake. So that's again it's a lot of moving parts. We're we're working on it. We're doing everything in our power that we can, including even if we have to throw in some money because we have some Musa dollars that we have some um um not Musa, MSA dollars, >> these acronyms, especially at 9:30. Um so, municipal state aid dollars and if you know, we're looking at all all things in order to make ingress and egress safe for for as safe as possible. >> Appreciate that. Absolutely. >> All right. Anything else? >> God. No. >> All right. Well, uh, we're item number four, adjournment. Get a motion. >> I move to adjourn. This meeting. >> All right. All in favor? >> I. >> All right. >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you. Know it was a long haul. Appreciate you guys listening. But I really noticed as I was reading my packet, I must have dragged my phone cord through. I was