[Music] I just it is 5:30 so we're all here all the important people are here right so um we're going to get started and are we recording yes ma'am all right thank you so just for the record people that are here are Paul Falls Brian Grim Jasper kral welcome back um Lisa whan Kathleen rekin an McGregor Peter vicory Claudia Lacy Gary Peters um Ali Pulu and then also Aaron V vulmer hey I got it right all right so we have um four items uh we're going to have a budget discussion and then Aaron is going to give us an update on the water treatment plan and then Jasper is going to get us give us an update um regarding the lady that came last time under persons to be heard he's just going to kind of inform us about stuff and then if we have time we'll do the Woodland Cove dredging all right with that ran take it away M mayor got a power that'll summarize what was in the P slides 11 title slid so get started on that um uh obviously every year around this time we have to certify theary tax levy by September 30th so that's um what we're looking for at least have discussion on that to know that's coming up or whatever so the main of the discussion tonight any questions you have on the operations or Capital Equipment or roads we can talk about all that as far as the timeline we you we'll tonight um if there's a discuss you the session a 19th and September ones as well as and then I just listed there that se Mee usually tried were able to otherwise we have that deadine four main um items I mean obviously there's lots of items that going to a budget but um there sort of four I guess over our chain principles I to call it I guess as far as first one's obviously the financial stability make sure have balance the levy with our fund balance good job of that over the years um Capital Equipment make sure we squads and heavy equipment and stuff for technology all those different needs service levels and you look year so we look at that every every year to see where we're at as far as making sure we're providing good customer service and service levels for our residents and then um lastly the biggest one probably we've done a pretty good job at least the last 10 12 years so funding P management plan en roll making some progress there I think our big rooll project last we we made a de keep making progress so I don't probably want to be faster but we're doing pretty good so this is basically a summary of um get the last few years of the levy and then page in the packet that sum the different components to the Lev so you can see there for 2025 General L 517 million main component there comp we paid off that so that fell off but then we're looking at potentially doing an equipment certificate adding that to some of the water financing and our and our water me looking at bringing that for latter part of this year um Lo maintenance a little deceiving but this was you know it was at ag75 we did the big road project and $350,000 so Bas Prett simar to what it's been and I [Music] think been doing pretty well at 1.7 million so I think it's think we're our needs doll set aside there for and then capital for equipment suggested bump that up to 200,000 to 150 hopefully if we can keep bumping that up every year we maybe can get I mean I think equipment certificates are buying interest rates are still pretty low historically but if we ever obviously pump that up more need to do that I I think we used it as a fuel every couple few years not every year so um total there will be about milon and get any any questions okay um this slid going just sort of tie together sort of the tax levy our our fund balance and then just that percentage we always talk about so first line goes through you our tax l from the last five years and of see the general fund reserves of sort of 2020 was the I guess a year so that's where that has sort of that big anomaly there um 21 we and 22 we spent some of that down 23 was more the commercial helmets and some other there that really pushed up there about 51% this, 192,000 right now based we're sitting for the year I I think we coming pretty close in our 2024 budget we I don't think we Surplus like we did last year we have had a groceries you know new apartment you anything like that so so I think you know I'll hopefully be around that you know in 40% at the end of this year and then with [Music] [Music] [Music] on property you know know I do the same when I you can see there gu the values stayed pretty flat probably everyone's seen that or heard you know housing market isn't gone as crazy with value value 10 12% anymore I think it's sort of stabilized soting properties should see they pretty similar from year over year when they get their C next year probably everyone who got their initial statement back in March as far as what their valuation be so based on that I thought it was 9.4 um 9.4 grow the 956 so it's just basically difference between the two numbers the net l a little smaller so we did increase bigger percentage but um and it would give us a projected tax rate about 20% 20.7% right now we're at about 19 so when you plug all those in what you see is4000 [Music] obviously that's average someone has a larger increase valuation average a higher next couple slides just to show more just to show where your total ta go through what percent C for 2024 is home this is a property that's W District C2 22% total ta um this one would be for more properties like Al Hunter CR School District um School District then becomes lar City Serv then just a few slides here to finish up just as far as what through 2025 assumptions and commitments are um so basically the 2025 um contracts are locked into labor which not they're locked into 2026 so well as salary compensation [Music] talk about more weiz the buess yeah we'll give an update at the next meeting on the 19th about the 2025 positions [Music] and are we going to be bonding this year I didn't think we were going to be bonding until next year well I think I think we'll have an update probably at one of the next couple meetings but I think with the um the wells that we've got the contract for and then as well as even the water and and then even some of the engineering um Fe for the water plant that we've entered into I think we've got a few million dollars and then we have an equipment cerate or two I think we oh so you're saying doing two bonds so one in 20124 and then another one for the um actual um water treatment plant in 25 corre yeah could be more of like a $4 million Bond potentially this year for those items and then the [Music] water okay um yeah so that would be the plan to sort of get some money and cash flow some of these things that are already locked in the flight right any questions oh thank you hopefully that's even something that coun share with the resid and we always can put this on online and stuff that where where their tax dollars go very good a couple other um so the funing the payment management plan at 575 cash level mention the 350 that's Ono for the project basically general9 and then we' be have 41% projected which our minimum polic [Music] 40 last points justly process staff we've been looking at this for the last couple months still here want to make sure that good with that op probably work on the final once the set here in September can be r or stay the same but [Music] Notre I had so I guess I don't know if anyone had any other questions on PowerPoint or information the packet excuse me I have a few questions um on the sources of income how variable are those say theate some yeah probably the biggest variable is the um the licensing and permits item because the the injured governmental usually like the the police Aid or the aid we get from the state through the police department um last year we actually got more money in because they did that one time police state aid which we allocated out for Capal in general but that's usually pretty steady um yeah property tax obviously we have a good tax collection in the C tax I know some cities probably struggle a little more with going taxes so that number is usually pretty pretty set um and then some of like the others in charges for services the Police contract the same body and of the Le power with our cell phone companies and stuff so those are all pretty good streams of Revenue the biggest one is all of a sudden you have life permit Revenue it hasn't happened for like 10 12 years but all of a sudden instead of doing you know 75 to 100 homes we're doing 30 to 50 and that number that 79 but based on the trend you can see that we've been doing really well even back in 21 22 23 the bigger year [Music] commercial most of the revenue sources I think are pretty pretty good just a little bation kind of on the side then what would be variable expense size like um like for example the um agreement they have we've I think pl% it probably won't be that much even it's yeah but um they have to get us those numbers before September I believe I thought I thought it was now but it's in August August so we'll know those numbers that was good one time Public Safety money so went up last year now it's that but yeah I mean I think I mean the biggest fluctuation for expenditures to me obviously depending on if you're at full staff you're down a person to that savings or else then you have some Advent you need a bunch of overtime that's sort of netive but usually we've done a pretty good job coming pretty close yes yeah yeah I think they'll be def some general fund savings and obviously some of that gets red has staff work Street that's general f they do more Enterprise stuffes money there is and well even just salt chemical or the chemical buy a lot less of that that sa money so we have okay good that sounds good um now just a final question um it looks like you didn't put any increase in for various health insurance work I I think those things are going up pretty rapidly building um iing they are I think I I put in like more of some uh minor inas we haven't gotten those numbers yet like from on the workers yet and uh Health the health insurance and the council sets the cafeteria plan up 900 sing 1500 per so I think some of that stuff we haven't gotten our information yet for from the vendors yet so but that wouldn't necessarily have well so if we get noticed that the health insurance costs are going up it would probably be the staff or you know employees that would be picking up a greater portion adj to was prre last so I think once we get those numbers it's pretty minimal increase I taken but it's and when do you usually get those numbers October they have an idea but not like an official renewal letter till October does it like it be increases uh compared to last year no but a slight increase our singles will be fully covered I think but if anything the family coverage might need to be looked at but I wouldn't say any crazy number yeah total [Music] they're estimating like 8 to 12% hopefully in single B this year yeah so yeah there might be [Music] yeah I think that should be the problem is we don't get these numbers until October same with um workers comp they don't give them to us until after our Freeland Levy so we're generally okay um and if there's going to be some wild fluctuation usually give us a little heads up which we have got so I think workers conf really some ofs and stuff or whatever I think some of that moderated as well as even our our employes have been really safe so modification rate or whatever it is we're usually the Baseline 100% or 100 we're like at 7 [Music] good point from the other night Le the process other questions comments so I think we're good right now at the 9.4 but as we move through the process we'll see and again better to do a little bit High initially and then ratchet it back maybe we can bring it back to 9% in December we'll see all right question probably bring that in sep meeting unless there's something that really changes I don't think so I think we're good yeah so we'll bring it back at the September meeting and then and then like I said we'll take a look at some of these things as they come in and then by December or before then we can decide good or we want to yeah we can't go higher so it's always better to start out a little bit higher and then hopefully go a little bit lower before December all right okay um Aon I think you're up I can I can give a brief intro I'll introduce Our Guest here a little bit no everybody knows Aaron so um but really what the what the driver is of to have this conversation is we've gotten a little bit more feedback about our PFA application for 2025 eron got some feedback about a future application in 2026 we want to share that information um what we want to have a discussion about is kind of a continuation of our May discussion about how we're going to pay for this future water treatment plan if we're going to pursue PFA or we're going to go the traditional route um I've gotten some feedback from some council members about maybe trying to get this um bid out in 2025 as staff we need direction as far as how we're going to how we're going to fund it how we're going to do it so eron's going to provide some information the goal today is to get feedback from the group as far as the funding goes if we feel comfortable enough to make that decision or that direction today um that'll that'll help drive you know the project process and the the the project timeline couple things of note um Gary will be providing updates at each meeting just about City or about the water treatment plant where we're at you're going to see something at the beginning of each month the first meeting of each month in the info packet about just the project process where we're at once we kind of get a timeline dialed in and just kind of you know the different things just some feedback that we kind of recognized from past City Council meetings so it's a big project for the community the city council needs to be aware of what's going on and if there's any hiccups or anything that's going to potentially delay the project that's something that we can talk about at that time so eron's going to kind of lead this discussion um feel free to ask him the questions with the ultimate goal today is to hopefully figure out what how we're going to finance this project thanks thanks Madam mayor members of council uh thanks for having me back I was not here at the last council meeting you guys approved just move forward so sorry I couldn't make it but excited to be here and and talk about uh the water plant project so uh just kind of an update on current activities so we've kicked off design uh we uh did some water plant tours with uh man Trista staff uh we went and then we also have a completed a layout discussion meeting with staff so we're into design things are moving um as far as tours go we toured four different water plants in the Twin Cities area and we do these tours at the beginning of design just to help operational staff and City staff kind of understand what other communities have come up with good ideas of things they want to incorporate in their facility and just help get the design team kind of thinking about plant design so we looked at uh city of minaka water plant we went and toured Robin Sal's new uh lime softening water treatment treatment plant which I know you're not doing lime softening but it's new so we went to look at it uh we looked at Blain's water plant and then we also went to shv so um these all these facilities are a little bit larger than what you guys are going to be building but they have the same components and a lot of the things we wanted to look at so I thought um the staff enjoyed that those tours and we learned a lot of good things so um so uh since the tours we've started layout discussions we met with uh City staff and this was a concept that we had developed during the planning exercise that we've gone uh through the last year or so um so we started with this as a baseline to kind of just talk about filter layout um chemical storage where we' potentially want that in the facility uh looking at moving or adjusting kind of the lab and operator office within the facility um and just the people spaces that we're going to need uh We've also talked about clearw sizing and high service pump needs um and uh and all kinds of other things related to the layout of the plant again this is very conceptual this is not final by any means things will move but just to help illustrate kind of some of the discussion points I wanted to show this uh the one thing related to the clearwell size and high service pumps the one thing that we've been talking about and we're currently looking at is um because the you guys do have future storage needs um one I idea that we have is that we would put a little bit of extra storage at this water plant and in the clear well in the clear well yep and then put in slightly larger pumps to pump that into the distribution to make up for the lack of storage in your system with the end goal hopefully being that we can delay future water towers and uh have enough capacity in these pumps to actually be able to take your king Point Tower offline and rehab that so uh trying to kind of think outside the box and utilize um the money we're going to spend on this facility well um to delay future storage projects so I don't know if this is the appropriate time to ask but while it's freshing your mind as you're doing this design what are like some of the major top three points that are different from what we have today um as far as the treatment plant yeah improvements that that are going to be in this one that aren't yeah so so this plant um our intent right now is to go with concrete gravity filters instead of you guys have steel filters so if you've been to oh let me let me back up it's not concrete is less expensive based on our early estimates yes so this is the bottom right picture that's a picture of your current plant and see how those filters are steel we would go away from that we would actually look at concrete filters so um the minona picture there that's actually a concrete tank that's built by the contractor so we would look at something a little bit different uh the benefit being that it's readily available material contractors can build that they don't have to wait manufacturing process you're not going through all of the um the purchasing and the manufacturing delays that you would see there so we just feel like it's probably a better fit for this type of project it's also more flexible from a layout standpoint so we can make those filters any Dimension that we want and it's a better use of the space given that the walls for the filter can also be used as walls for the building you don't need space around the steel tank um so that would be one big Improvement um we're looking at chemical storage uh and and uh kind of an arrangement on the site ultimately we're looking at putting in one ton floring gas cylinders instead of the 150 PB cylinders that you guys currently have um so that would be a benefit um and then wa wait what what do the cylinders do I'm sorry got chlorine gas for disinfection so you currently feed chlorine gas at your current water plant we would put in one ton cylinders that are slightly larger but a little bit easier for operators to manage you can store a little bit more on site to minimize operat what's that they're not more dangerous are they um no we would have probably a scrubber on site to manage the the risk probably yeah well that's something we still need to work through there's there's other we already have chlorine on site so you know and there's gas detectors in there so if dun does leak and stuff we know yeah and then you know of course we let the you know e PD and the fire department know hey we have a chlorine leak and they know what to do we had one what how many years ago probably four or five years ago at well four and uh Ian I mean they the same by knew and M knew exactly what to do and they took care of everything so so there's two options for floring risk it's a COR and scrubber are an automatic shut off so we'll evaluate both of those with the staff make the question for you said the cement is a upgrade but I know cement wears out and cracks but steel doesn't so yeah I don't see that as a upgrade so steel ultimately will need to be recoded in the future to the carbon steel so it will Rust um so there's long-term maintenance requirements of Steel builders that you eventually have to take them offline blast and recat the Coatings replace all the media in a gravity concrete filter there's there's really no coatings on the inside and and youd have to repaint the facility in general but uh it's a much there's limited uh operation maintenance on conrete kind of but I to your point concrete is is you have to replace it yeah the the replacement time FR time frame for concrete is usually about 100 years okay the general ASC uh time frame for Life Time so we're a steel we're talking about recoding steel every 20 to 30 years maybe not 10 maybe 20 10 20 years not that it's old not that old so yeah did you say that vessel would part of structure yeah so if you notice um the um the concrete can be used basically as an exterior wall um or it's buted up to the exterior walls um the I guess as far as concrete's lifespan it is a much better longterm material than steel and if if it does crack it'll crack you you'll have slight cracking during construction that they would eventually patch you know any kind of leakage um and then it really doesn't uh crack after that so any kind of long-term repair in a 100 years if you had to fix it you likely wouldn't be doing minor repairs it would be a complete demo and replace type of replacement so is the chemical storage the outside of the building that wall it's like our have access inside and outside yeah so the that bottom the southern part there we see all the chemical rooms and then chlorine storage so those would be um on the exterior walls of the facility for chemical deliver one thing we are looking at for this site too just because the word that is um a uh drivethru so they'd be enclosed inside where all the chemical feeds would come to one point so a truck come in um to the building itself unload then you know exit there so eliminate all the you know the look of the outside doors it would just you know look more finished and again this is just from the early study phase this is not the layout for the Finish plant this is just concept for discussion it doesn't include our 40,000 ft Public Works facility that's going to go on yeah right no com um so for a little bit better perspective so this is that concept on the site that we're planning to put it on um so one big hurdle that we're currently working on is access into this site so the original plan was to have truck access off of wol fa curve um but given current discussions with the development and as we look at you know the other potential access points to the site we are in conversations with three RSE Park and mindock for potential access off of Locust or Highway 7 we just think that that it's at least responsible to look at it to take pressure off of the neighborhood if the the access off wol fa curve is the really the only possible option we'll move forward with that but we just felt like we should really look at those other options so this this is I'm sorry this is off a wol yeah the sorry my point is not working so um us an idea if what the other two access options might be just kind of out of curiosity so if we come off of locus sorry sorry yeah my mistake um yeah so Lotus uh if you you we would basically come from the the Northeast here and a drive would come down the east side of this facility and we um again we could we're going to orientate this differently depending on depending on the access yeah okay otherwise you'd come in and off of Highway 7 yeah and that's again we're not quite sure if it's a off only or you know off and then back on we have to have those conversations okay all right we don't know at this point it'd be the that'd be the ultimate is to have them come in offload as come in offload and then just go out and make a right hand turn on to seven and exit would be the ultimate goal for us so we'll see okay ultimately we do need to work through some easement challenges on the south side and then there would be another easement on that northeast side if we were to come off of lotus okay so that's our primary task right now to resolve that uh and then we'll make the final orientation adjustments to the plan are you talking about like the trail W right there their correct we have we have an easement and along with met Council through there for our gravity Main and their um two Force Mains so we're talking with them right now to see if they'll allow that I know that we had some corresponds again today that they're esing us up to some other people that have more decision making powers to talk about it so we're hoping we can come in that would be the ultimate goal to have go that way and stay out of the neighborhood completely um so that's essentially the update on design so our team's working on those items they're looking at you know adjusting the facility layout based on some of the conversations we had with the the staff um so we're moving things forward as far as the PFA loan discussion Jasper mentioned that and um so in discussions with the the public facilities Authority so they decided that our current PFA loan was not eligible because it's growth related which is not specifically in state revolving fund applications it can't be growth related projects now we're having conversations with them to evaluate that a little bit closer for this current application um but it's unlikely we'll be able to change their mind but we'll we'll try um for future applications we did ask if um if we get these new wells drilled will we be eligible for future applications um and really the the manganese uh the high level of Manganese would only be important for Grant type of applications uh and because we're drilling the wells and building the water plant kind of as one system Improvement they really deem this whole thing growth related now again we're trying to change the mind but it's it's probably not going to be successful um the only way that they would really probably allow to split these up and not look at at its growth related if we just did the wells and put in a wellhouse and actually pumped it into the system and ran it that way for say a year and then we tried to move forward with the water plant um but in my opinion that would put such a timeline uh into this that it's just it's not feasible and you'd have to spend money on building a wellhouse which would make the benit PFA loan really not so so I guess in my opinion moving forward and know pursuing a PFA loan Beyond this funding cycle really wouldn't be beneficial for the city I think we'll we'll do our due diligence to try to change their mind in this current application and and but if they don't change their mind it's probably in everyone's best interest just to move for the project I was talking to Jasper before regarding bonding we don't know what the next um State bonding situation will be but um can we apply for bonding funds or can we ask for bonding funds even if we're going out to bid prior to them making a final decision um based on some other projects that we currently have under construction so like city of Ramsey would be a good example uh they received Bond money after the project was awarded and they were moving into construction um so they went back and change ordered in some adjustments to the contract to be able to receive state Bond money so I think there is a um a method or a path to receiving State bonding money even though you have a project already awarded so um we can probably clarify that um but based on some other projects that I'm involved in I think we should clarify it and here's why because um let's just say we get this out for bid q1 let's just say um so let's just say Mark you know whatever but we won't know until May it might make sense toit months or three months to see see if we get if we know and then we should know before being the me whether we're going to get any of it so you know if it means Millions then I think we should just kind of P off and if it's two months or whatever the reason too when you look at when we need the water we need the water in the summer right so if you start building in June of 2025 you won't it won't be online in um June of 26 it probably won't go online until fall or even winter of 27 so we'd be okay so either way we're not going to have L more water in um 26 summer 26 so that's why I'm saying is I want to keep an eye on the bonding money and on that time frame because I think we're going to be Beyond 26 um irrigation time frame anyway does that make sense and and we understand the the requirements that the state would have for the project to be able to receive funding so Minnesota prevailing wage is is the primary one so we can we can have some strategy how to maybe incorporate that after the fact in the project if needed um so this just just again a snapshot of the water quality data um but really it's just related to the BFA loan um and this is our design timeline so um at a high level um we're currently in plary design so we picked off everything uh roughly last month um and we're working hard to get the team moving we've done all the activities we've already talked about so we'll have 30% design uh roughly by the end of Q3 um we'll be moving into intermediate design which is moving from 30 to 60% um and then 60% to 90% um kind of in quarter four with the moving the final design and delivering that uh really by I'll say like mid February would be our intent uh having bidding uh mdh review at the end of q1 so it needs to go to the state to review and the Department of Labor and Industry to review Plumbing plans that would be the end of quarter one we' have hopefully a review approval by them and then we'll be advertising the project uh the first part of quarter 2 of next year uh ultimately the goal is to have a contractor under contract to begin construction um in the begin in the construction season next year so that would be let's say U May May June time frame next year a contractor would have the majority of the building season to get started uh and that's pretty typical for for how they work so um adjusting kind of our deliverable date in here probably won't change when they actually get on site to to start working they wouldn't startu June you would you would move your fiding time frame forward so yeah it would it would push you into the summer a little bit further with with construction start so it would shift that entire Blue Bar basically that amount um I I think the the main point being that even if we shift this main bar you're already really not getting water and I I put two years plus or minus because I think I had two and a half last time and there was some discussion about that so roughly right now we're thinking mid mid part of 2027 we might be able to have water um but the reality is is that's probably getting close to your peak time anyway so you might miss it so really the you know if you're already going to miss your Peak demand season anyways in 2027 does a couple months matter the um the try to think through um projects like roads and pipeline projects are usually a single season so and they have a lot of material that they need to order because they're putting it in right away right for a for a water plant it's you know concrete is readily available their biggest task right away is you know digging the whole importing concrete uh all of the equipment that they're ordering really won't even come until they proba the next year anyways for them to put in so um they have time to get all that ordered and procured the vast majority of their early work is going to just readily available material and labor that they would just get started with as far as the Contracting uh availability contractors are really busy right now I don't see that changing uh if we get it out earlier or later they're we're going to be at the uh mercy of the the Contracting environment so um you're what you're saying essentially is there's road construction that's one type of construction and that's you want to get those bids out January February but then this is a building so it's a different season if you will so you could get your bid out anytime that more or less I mean you still want or L you could um you know their biggest their biggest time um biggest items that deter their amount of time is or ordering material that needs to get put in in a year right so um they have time to get all that done they need to work through shop drawings you know work through SM rviews with us so any kind of long time long long lead time items that they would be ordering probably wouldn't come till 2026 if not the spring of 2027 so us bidding a few months later is really going to change their ability to perform as long as they can get started on digging the whole important the concrete uh right away which is readily available okay so how long build process work before they start putting all stuff in the digging doesn't take that long uh they're really good at moving dirt that's what they do um they would spend probably the first month digging and they'll spend probably they will probably work all summer Bing concrete all winter Bing concrete until probably next they would probably work for a year for in concrete uh they get prepass the fall of 2026 so hopefully have the building enclosed by that next winter so they could do all their interior work that final winter for spring summer completion so I think it's in our best interest to get it out for spring and we'll keep moving along with we're not going to stop it and but I just think we need to be aware we need to know what we can get 10 million from the state you know it's wor a two to three month delay but if we can but I'm just yeah if I can add a couple things about just the legislative piece we'll know really early on um you know there's an election cycle happening if we're going to get you know our representatives from both the house and the Senate to sponsor a bill they have been a build for us we'll know early on if they're going to do that if they don't do that for us then we kind of know that we play we won't get any bonding money so we'll know that pretty early like maybe as soon as January or February um so we'll keep an eye on that and keep everybody posted because if there's a chance I think that we should see it through um U especially if there's I we just they're they're so sporadic as far as when they're going to do a bonding bill or not it's there's no real cycle usually it's not this year but the next year um but they didn't pass one last year you know so they might do it this year or next year so um the other thing I want to point out this timeline is traditional financing piece um if we would go PFA you can either add probably another 12 months or another 24 months depending on the feedback we get from them so so that's kind of the you know I think this has been a great is going oh my God I'm going to have a heart attack I won't be here so this this is that you know great conversation about design and where we're at and all that but ultimately you know if we want to do that timeline you know where we get it done by you know hopefully summer of 2027 that really means traditional financing Brian works with Todd you know probably sell a bond in um summer of 2025 for the project um and we get that started early in 2025 and so that's kind of the feedback that we're I'm looking for we're looking for so we can kind of you know really solidify the project timeline project process and and kind of guide us moving forward I there's no way we're going to do PSA I mean it's ridiculous because we don't even know if we would qualify and to wait another year or two is just not an option I I think har would agree he would have even less hair than he retire my mic come early I we just to assume traditional and then we'll see what we can get if anything um from the bonding from State bonding I was wondering like it's moving got a mind of when we have I'm thinking when we'll be talking as a group here like budget for 2025 water fund like in October you know I know I probably question the 19 million seems a little whatever I think we gave him a $14 million Price p but now Gary wants a big gar I guess when in I mean it's plary design intermediate when when we be able give us a better update of a more refined number I guess so at each of those deliverables 30 60 90 and 100 we will provide a cost estimate so so our general approach is uh we start with probably 20% contingency at 30% design and we'll ratchet that conting that contingency down as we get to final ultimately with an engineer estimate for bidding so um so you'll have a 30% estimate at the end of Q3 um that should at least help with some of your bonding estimates and and always my goal is that that number starts high and narrow down r i don't even know it's not if I may depending on the strategy right we're going to have that conversation about rates if we want to you know have it be linear where we're doing an increase in 25 but you know we're not going to pay for our bond until 26 or you want to have a light increase in 25 but then a big increase in 26 all depends on how you want to do it and how you want to structure it at the end of the day by 2026 we're going to need x amount of money to pay for the bond on we have to generate that to revenue so we're going to have that conversation um you know that could be 2 20% increases or you know a 10% and a 40% you something like you know we'll to figure that out but um correct and and you know it does way it does it doesn't doesn't yeah and if we come up with something um we always have the the ability to change we don't really like to do this but we can always change the rates mid year you know we try to avoid that just for consistency purposes but if we get it let's say we get it wrong and we get bids back and they either come in higher or lower we can adjust rates based on that strategy so just keep that in mind we have flexibility it will not be a fun exercise because the numbers are going to be large because we're talking about a you know potentially close to a million dollar Bond payment for 20 years so we have to come up with an additional million dollars of Revenue um right now our revenue is like right around a million to 1.2 if it's dry yeah it's dry well if yeah wet is probably million 1.2 it's dry it's been it's been pushing one we have a couple years to get to that level so you want to split the difference you know we'll work through those numbers once the rate study comes back and then we the options on the fourth of December we'll likely adopt a all right all right anything else no any other questions thank you Aon and we're looking forward to updates thank you all right so now um next we move on to huness Crest yes madame mayor members of council I'll just give a brief update I know um Carrie Meyer came by at the last meeting U during person to be heard and talked a little bit about some of the challenges she's having at uh the pond at Hunter crust um with some contractor grading so um I we've been a breast of this we've been communicating with Carrie um and really it it it's in our staff opinion it's A Private Matter between the Builder and the the owner of the house um the ordinance or the city code that she cited is more related to public Improvement so like a road project where the contractor doesn't perform we have that escrow that we can P from in this case this is a private you know grading Landscaping issue that uh we've been following it so don't no don't think that we haven't been but we've been trying to stay out of it the contractor has been communicating with Miss Meer um and trying to come up with Solutions and recently gave options a couple different options on how to get them to the point where they can get their certificate of occupancy now this certificate of occupancy the temp has been hanging out there longer than what we what we would like but um this is you know this has just come up from the property owner so I would say you know the strategy or what we're going to do as a staff and less directed otherwise is is let this property owner work with the builder to try to figure this out um it sets a precedent if we do get involved that now all of a sudden we're getting involved with every single home you know homeowner Builder dispute out there um and there's been some some of these things going on with this Builder the GMS Builder that um you know property owners have kind of um joined forces to try to get some things done so um those things are happening I think in this case the the Builder is trying to make it right and trying to get the certificate of occupancy um issued but in this case the city can't really do anything um right now so we'll continue to monitor the situation if there's something that we think is happening that we don't agree with but right now it seems like the the builders um putting forth a good faith effort to get this closed out so I can entertain any questions anybody may have but that's kind of where we're at um I know I don't know well essentially if we were to get her a back I mean we could then be caught in the middle and the Builder could come after us for the I unless the court orders us to give her the money I don't think we have a choice correct and we're going to look at it internally too if that like $5,000 escrow that we charged to do the temp Co is adequate um in this case you know the Builder saying that it's going to cost about $2,100 to um remedy the issue you know and the and the homeowner saying it's going to be like 14,000 so there's a gap there um and it's you know maybe related to landscaping or flower types and things like that those are things the city doesn't get involved with we just want to make sure that the the grade of the property matches the the plans that's that's what we care about so I will take any direction or questions same direction you've been going okay how's that thank you yeah no that is clear if if you get emails um feel free to if I don't get them send them to me and we can just continue to Monitor and then uming yes Madam mayor members of the council I'll make this quick um I was approached here uh about a week and a half two weeks ago uh by a member of V companies they have been contract to do some dredging um in the Hallstead Bay area of the homes um as you can see on the map kind of behind uh Woodland Co Parkway um to do that they would need they need a place to offload they dredging um debris if you want to call that the sludge um and they want to use our um Landing Park area there as a place to they had to you know as a place to let it store dewater and then haul away there'd be the issue of a lot of trees coming down um that area would be pretty much decimated by the equipment that they're going to bring in and everything else um I don't myself I don't see this as uh favorable to the city at all yes I would like to help out the the association um they need to find a different alternative I did ask why they this go to the boat launch off load into trucks there um they want to dewater it which I can understand they don't want to have the slop going down and stuff but I think to use our space there um for this purpose would uh be deal to us as you know in as a whole that and I don't know if the DNR cuz technically I don't know if we own all that or if it's kind of a gift it to us but I'm sure there's some other DNR are you know permits that would have to be cleared with that too so my recommendation to you and you guys have the find will say is not to allow this um I mean it's going to you know while it doesn't cost us anything now they're going to restore it everything but I know down the road it's going to have um members of my staff time to nurture it back to where it was so um what I'm looking for you guys is either yes let them do it no or not so I can answer any questions that you want Gary are you talking about the um little park off yeah right if you go to the next slide you'll see it there that's that's DNR I don't think we own that yes that's ours we maintain it we that's our fishing pier and everything it used to be a bolt launch that's why I say there is some stipulations in there it is considered City Parkland now the area they want I mean to clear that all off and let them pile it up and dewater and by the time it's done they'll have it destroyed so you're destroying it is there and we could but like I say mean we to do some deep D talking with uh David AEL uh there too there may be some stipulations in our agreement with the DNR de do that I think so I mean I don't even want to pursue it I mean it's just going to be so much work for us you know in the long run to do that um it'll change the face of that area it's very nice right now um I don't want to see it Disturbed so that's my opinion like I say you guys are the ultimate decision makers but for me I would definitely recommend having them pursue a different Avenue Gary is there a different avenue no is there not that I know of from no City aspect I mean poor planning on their part no offense to the developers over there but they should have had an outlot that they could you know use for doing this you know in the future I mean it's you know it's very common in these areas where they want a dredge to have to do this periodically so um you know who's to say they're not going to come back again in 10 15 years and want to do it again so I I personally would say no to this and we can't make them promise to nurture it and leave you out of it could but I don't see any benefit to the city of allowing them to do that you have to also remember I don't how much you're going to bring through here but they're going to have to run all that down Kings Point Road so you increase truck traffic and all that so I just I don't feel that it's beneficial to anybody do have all the people involved that live on this where this would be drudged have they all been asked what they want that I do not know that would be between the HOA and them they could off vot it on H at the H boes just if they wanted to um I'm not a fan of that either because that slop will go everywhere right you know no matter what they try to do to clean the road and stuff so and are there private there's private properties there that they could they would have to try to find some kind of a private property area that they could do that and let it stop pile it there and like say dewater and then load it and remove it later yeah I mean what are we talking about how much we know oh I mean if you look at the area this there it's quite a bit so I I wouldn't even try to imagine how much they have to take out of there so and it's not usable soil it's just going to be do they have the per do they have the permit for MCW they have a they must have everything in place I mean they've got everything you know ready to go so they're just looking for a place to do it I don't want to interrupt I'm the contractor that's here to advocate for smoth work today I don't all time I later but you guys have some questions from side might as well do it now I mean thank you so I have some documents but um in regards to the amount of material it's about 3,700 cubic yards of material they want to dredge from that Cove area um and I don't disagree with you it's it's not going to be super convenient there's some large trees there that probably are going to have to be managed around that area to go around so uh part of our proposal to The Cove would basically manage to be putting in rock to make sure we're cleaning up any tires as we're loading unloading trucks we're not basically getting all this muddle over your road as we're going through we'll have sweepers included as well um the other part of it as well is uh uh that channel is actually pretty shallow as well so we got to make sure we got clearance the DNR to make sure we have a channel for barges to come through I am also going back to look at the hallad road that we talked but there's not much room there uh I was going to continue to ask maybe if I were to get permission on the adjacent property which is private property it's private right could I get uh uh permission to get a permit to use that property for loading and unloading because I don't need to use the do I don't want to use the launch if I don't have to I don't want to damage that asphalt if I don't have to um but we do have means and ways of basically cleaning those trucks as they're coming off to not be you know bringing dirt onto your roads um the reason why we looked at this location versus holstead Road uh both boat landing was because there's less traffic over here um that's not a super busy road over by that launch either it's just it's more about the the blls that are going to be on the side of the road and I don't want any trucks getting tight with those boats turning in and out of the dock uh you're going to be managing you know several hundred trucks loads of material to get those 3700 yards out W um how long does this uh we could probably do it in about a month you do it in summer like so to start doing it now we our our goal is to try to do it in October and the reason why is cuz you're going to have less boat traffic uh also everyone's boat docks are their lifts are going to be out of the way C going to be the way people can use their boats in the full summer and then the operating season's done uh fishing's not as busy at that time you know you're getting Before ice it's basically going to be the slowest Blake will be I really would suggest that you continue to or or you check into the Hallstead boat launch and the private properties over there um boy it just seems and then when you think about it the distance between that boat launch and County Road 110 is this much and the distance here to Highway 7 is this much you know so yeah so I would High I really think the Hallstead would be better yeah so and the one thing and looking at that the one difference there is the hall time you have for barges because we're loading barges with this material to push on the River on the lake yeah and uh basically you're you're add probably about a 50% push time for 30 700 yard material by barge so that's why the closer location makes more sense but I I think in this scenario with what we Gary was kind of to point out with those trees I went out and looked at it a lot closer and uh I do think maybe that's a possibility it makes more sense to look at that option um I went over there today to try to get a hold of the owner to see uh if I could get a which one are you looking at um un Holsted which property the open property that's to the east the property I was looking at and uh was trying to get a hold of the owner I was calling them this morning and uh I'm still working on getting contact with that owner good luck yeah how how many how many bares is that is it would be but it would be two uh barges or work it would be two excuse me four portable sectional barges and basically they're Hopper barges they can hold material and I'll have two configurations working so basically while my uh dredge is filling one set the other set's pushing to get unloaded and then they're just going back back and forth as I'm loading unloading material so four barg doesn't seem like a lot of barges no no but it it's more about the uh and you can only get so much equipment in there for dredging and so basically you're maximizing the time of that one dredge could you make it better oh in that area yeah yeah I I I guess the question is what are we looking for to make it better the other it's not fabulous right now like could you could you promise to make it fabulous or at least better well the one thing I would be disappointed to see is the losing those larger trees is my biggest is the thing that I'm sad to see and I can't replace 30 40y Old trees there so and then you're also talking about many many many truck roads which isn't great for the Hallstead Avenue either um but it's better in October versus like May or June or something like that I also have to be careful working on trucking uh restrictions because come November I'm going to start having more Frost affecting Trucking in that area as well which I'll probably have to work with you as well to get a permit to clear those trucks in that time can you use smaller trucks we can we can lo we can load Less on the trucks we're also looking you know uh you can do certain trucks that can hold wet soils versus having to drain your soils part of the plan is going to be working with DNR to have a Swip permit for home water protection protection and uh you know it's whether we drain out those soils or not then load them on trucks or we're loading them right off the barge onto the trucks which there are certain trucks you can do that with uh you just got to be careful well I mean it's either way you're going to be driving on a city road for a distance whether it's this much or that much um so that's that's going to be a concern of ours as well so keep that in mind can we driving on any of them holstead drive would be better than Kings Point because holstead is you know is is going to be redone in the future so MH right Kings Point's already been done there is um and I don't know you'd have to almost talk to David able but but there is a development I think plan or some there's a few Lots think that got sold off that they're looking to to do some development that is just right down to the west of that um there's three lots I don't know what their plan is with that but you might want to talk to them you're saying to the west of the Hallstead of the Hallstead yeah think there's some an area there they're looking at there are three lots yeah yeah so I mean that might be an alternative there's nothing there right now but it might be something to look at there mhm um how many houses are on that channel do you know I'd have to go back and look I think there was like 90 slips 90 but that's the slips that's not the houses on the channel so but you're judging their Channel yep and every one of these houses is millions of dollars right but it's it's not the house so the channel the the docks that are on this channel are not necessarily the houses that are on the lake okay so there's houses right but there's still a lot of them yeah I see there's a whole big kind of Marina there but this is a very beautiful and exclusive community and won't this really enhance that Community I mean it's going to make get them a lot more longevity out of their C their I would think if you ask these 97 I mean it can't hurt Minista we don't want it to hurt Minista in this this area here but that's a lot of very valuable real estate that it impacts it makes better Lakes Shore is expensive and if you can make it better I like that but let just I don't think I don't think we're not saying he shouldn't dredge we're just trying to figure out the best place to off but if there's no alternative I think there are it sounds I think really Hallstead is a much better alternative the these were the two easiest options but they they each come with their own issues I think if I can get a hold of that own the the the owner of the property adjacent to that dock that would be a much better and I may ask Gary I may shoot you an email here to see if you have any contact information you talking right next the one right adjacent to it yes it's the old Williams it's a Well actually right next to it is concept Landscapes owns it the other side John Smith owns the right next to the right exactly west of it this concept Landscapes on that I was looking east east he East Side a open land space that would be perfect that we can drain out material would not be tough for me to Reed there's no natural uh trees I think that's going to be you know it adds 50% push time on my barges but it's going to be less work on managing your guys' property that I'm not damaging anymore I just have to make sure I make it right with that land owner if that's going to be acceptable to them um and I think this was dredged to a while ago so this isn't the first time it was dredged well this done to put it in yeah yeah that's the only time I know I mean it was originally done because it was just a bog all through there so so it's not going to I mean it's going to have to happen again eventually so just so you know all right and that's and like and that's a for unfortunate reality of a lot of the properties on the lake we and we we have multiple projects on metaton doing very similar work right thank you okay yeah thank you does that answer your question and give you some direction I think we're in a better Direction where I I don't think this is going to be the approach we're going to go at this time I think I'm going to follow up with with with Gary to see if we have another Avenue that's going to work for for everyone and just make sure we feel good about permitting and that we're doing it right by you okay thank you thank you all right is just a lot you're referring to all right um that concludes our session so if we have a motion to adjourn we can be adjourned sure me thank you Kathleen and seconded that all those in favor signify by motion passes and we will have a break for about 18 minutes