Welcome to the Mountain City Council for Tuesday, April 8th at 6 o'clock. Can we uh say the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, we got our agenda. Do we have any amendments? No amendments. Okay. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda? Motion to approve the agenda. Can I get a second? Second. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. I. Those opposed. All right. The agenda is approved. And now we got the consent agenda. Um, does someone want to go through those items? You can do that. Okay. Uh consent agenda items A through E. A. Approve payment of claims. B. Approve minutes from the March 25th meeting. C. Approve resolution approving one-year extension for expansion permit at 4870 4870 Edgewater Drive. D. Approve resolution approving public gathering permit for 2025 Mound Farmers Market and more from May 24th through October 11th with reduced fee and E approve resolution authorizing transfer of funds. All right, we have A through E. Does anybody want to talk about any of those? I do have a question on C. So, we're going to give them a one-year extension. Um, how many of those are we? You just got to pull. You just got to pull it. Oh, no. Okay, never mind. Sorry. You want to pull it and talk about it? Sure. Okay. Good. So, we're gonna pull C. That's more of a question. Does anybody else want to pull anything else? Yeah. All right. So, let's uh I'll take a motion to approve AB, D, and E. Motion to approve AB, D, and E. Okay, got a motion. Can I get a second? Second. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. Those opposed? All right. Those pass, do roll call. Oh, sorry. Roll call, please. It's all right. Uh, council member Heric, hi. Council member Mciny, hi. Council member Pew, hi. Council member Castellano, hi. Mayor Holt, I. All right. All that passes. All right. See, go ahead. Just a quick question. I was just wondering how many of these extensions do we provide? So, is it a one-time thing or do we allow them multiple extensions of a year at a time? Jesse or Sarah? Uh good evening, mayor and council. Uh this is actually the first uh one-year extension that we've received for the expansion permit since its inception. Um it the code allows for an extension and in the event that something transpires, they could either apply for another extension. I don't think the the code prevents one from doing that. I think in this case, and I'm not sure if Mr. Barnes is here. It's just a matter of getting plans done, all the levels of information that they need and also uh procuring a contractor was the reason for the delay. Yeah, certainly. I just was curious if Yeah, I think this I think this is the first time. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Miss Eric. Thank you. All right. Any other Okay. So, I'll take a motion to approve C, which is approve a resolution approving a one-year extension Excuse me. Extension for expansion permit at property 4870 Edgewater Drive on May 28th, 2024. So if you anybody wants to do a motion, a motion to approve. Just say C. So moved or something. All right. Got a motion to approve. Can I get a second? Second. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. I. I. All right, those opposed that approve. That is uh approved. So now we're going to go to number five. We got comments and suggestions from anybody that the item that they're talking about is not on the agenda. You want to come up? All right. Not hearing anybody. So we got number six orno. Please come up. Welcome. Good evening. Uh nothing much to report from the last week or the two weeks ago. Um everything seems to be on the even keel. Things haven't really kicked off for summer months. We're kind of in that lull right now, but we're uh still out and about. Uh everything looks good. overweights. Uh people have been abiding from what we've noticed. Uh no complaints through um 911 system. Like I said, the guys are out looking for them. They seem to be abiding by them. And then also if they need something, they are getting extensions or not extensions, but permission to move stuff in like uh well drilling equipment if it's an emergency type situation. So those have held held pretty good. Uh the speed signs on West Edge have got I don't know if you guys have got the info on it. I looked at it today. Um it it seems to be doing its job. It's looks like it's slowing people down. Um, I think the next step I I kind of recommend is getting the traffic safety vehicle out there and actually um doing a little inspection of our own and seeing if we're if they're if the trailer and the sign are slowing people down or if it's people are actually uh abiding by the speed limits there. It's 30 miles an hour. Sometimes they get over 30 it does look fast. So they may be doing 31 35. It's still speed limit is 30. So, we should be checking on that just to see where they're at for a good solid um baseline as to what's going on out there. So, So, was the report sent to us already or um the one I don't know if Josh sent the newest one? One yet? No, I can leave you this one. Can we get that, please? Yep. Oh, sure. Can you just give it to me? Just pass it down. Pass it. We can and on one of the signs, uh I think it's the southbound sign on there. It the average speed was said it was 19 miles per hour. Um it's really low. But you're but so I was out of the state for a week. So when I came back, the the trailer sign was up by the main intersection by the stop sign. Yeah. Was it where we wanted it to be at all or No, they moved it, but it was um I think the one at the bottom of the hill that they put on the sign on the sign that's lighting up and catching I think people's attention, right? The one at the top of the hill I think it was we weren't sure if it was catching people right at the peak of the hill, but we was right. So, it was there it was in the right place where we Yeah, it was we should have caught that. So, I think it's interesting just the number of volume of vehicles that are going up and down that road. But yeah, we need to look at this these details. Yeah, their range is we we didn't realize how much range they had. They could catch a a pretty good distance of range. So, they were catching a lot more than what we thought they were catching till we went out and checked them. So, you're not going to you're not going to get someone going 40 miles an hour headed to a stop sign is my point. No, but it was coming up the hill. Yeah. So, so it was but again, I never saw it there. So, it it was only there for a week then. Yeah, we moved it after we talked. We moved it uh down the road a little little further. Okay. Cuz I don't think down the road would I don't know if we need that data. It was too close to the stop sign and they did move it back. So and that was enough to catch like I was watching it when I got to the top of the hill. It was triggering it. Okay. So that's what we were trying to capture was What about right before you go down the hill or at the bottom of the hill? Cuz I know that that other thing on the stop on the the turn signal. It doesn't track, does it? It just warns people that they're going too fast. the the sign on the on the post. Yeah. No, that's catching it's catching speeds. It's in there. Yep. Um the front one should be the I believe is the trailer sign. Okay. And the other report should be your um your sign speed sign that we have up. Okay. Do we feel like the trailer part was put in the right place? I think for what we were trying to capture it was working because I thought we were going to get them before they go down the hill or as they get to the bottom of the hill. That's where they're speeding up. No one's speeding up a hill. Oh yeah, they are. They're not going 30 40 miles up the hill. No, but they are coming down the hill really fast. That's my point. If that little sign thing that flashes on the curb sign is tracking is tracking them. And how far out is that tracking them? Uh, it's right. Uh, from where you can see it, from where I saw it, when I came up and looked at it, it was catching my speed. So, where wherever it says is catching the speed, it's like if I come down the hill and it's like you're doing 20, you're supposed to be doing 15, it's catching me there. Mhm. Okay. It's catching you in the first third of the hill. Okay. So, that's good. Okay. We were actually impressed on how well they they were tracking cuz some don't do that and some do. So, all right. Well, can you send it to Jesse and then have him send it all out? Yep. I can give this to him. I'm assuming you can scan it and email it real quick. Um, other than that, that's kind of all we have. There's not much uh the school resource officer said there's not much going on either, but they are starting construction at Grand View Middle School um on the remodels going on there. So, there will be some work going on, but should not interrupt any school activities or uh classes at this time. Okay. Does council have any questions, comments, update on Thanks. Thanks for coming on. Thank you. Thank you. See you. All right. Number seven, we got rain barrel sales event, Harrison Bay Association. Hi, thanks for having me. I'm Angela Savstrom. Just have a brief update for our third annual rain barrel sales event. Um, so I'm a Minnesota water steward and did my capstone on on rain barrels and was just um I love how to just it's a really easy solution that any any homeowner can do. So it's our third year doing it this year with uh again with Mini Trista as well. Um so we have three goals just a real high level here. So the number one is to reduce um storm water runoff. So storm water is is all of the water that would if we if we didn't have all of our buildings here, right? All of the water that would that would soak into the ground and be purified by the roots of trees and whatever. Um instead runs off roofs or roads and collects sediments, pesticides, pet waste, whatever, and then goes directly into our lakes and streams. Um, one easy way that we can sort of mitigate that that storm water from our roofs is capt capturing it in a rain barrel and then manually moving it around and watering our plants with it and giving it a chance to really soak in. So, the number one way is really to to limit the the amount of storm water. Um, the second goal is then to just help educate the community about this just really easy way that landscaping can be a way to um to help our waters. And then third, just to promote the rain barrel specifically, that it's a really cost-effective. So, we're talking like the price of going out to dinner. Um, you can have a rain barrel that that you use forever, year after year that's low maintenance that that saves you money on your water bill, that saves the city of Mound and the city of Mini Trista um gallons of water and and gives us um clean water for gardening. Like I said, this is the third annual rain barrel sale. So, um we did 72 rain barrels the first year and 144 the second year. Um, this third year we have another 72 to sell and and at some point we'll hit a little bit of a a tipping point, but I'm hoping that we still have enough demand this year to get another 72 out there. It is kind of a first come first serve between the city of Mound and City of Mini Trista. And right now we have still 45 of those left to sell. Um, they are $100 each or with a generous contribution from U. um Bolton and Mink and the engineering firm at Mini Trista and the two cities. Any residents of the cities can can get those for $70. They're all sold in advance um and then picked up between 10:00 a.m. and noon on Saturday morning the 31st. Um that coincides with one of our um farmers market days. So, it's a time when we, you know, hopefully have a lot of people downtown anyways. Um and that is right out of the parking garage in Mount the impact there. So just in these 72 barrels, that's over a 100,000 gallons of water that is saved from being storm water and then also is not pulled on an annual basis um from our water supplies. So the next steps we'll lead the distribution um again and thank you for your support the last two years. We're looking for the same thing again. Thank you very much, Maggie. you've already sent me the the sheets that I owe you back here for the um public gathering. Um we'll look again for help in unloading those rain barrels into the um parking garage and um for one more round of communication here. So I don't know what the what the next best thing is if there's another newsletter coming out or something an email, but one more blast. So far of the rain barrels that have been purchased, I think like 30 of them are mound residents. So, we're doing great here. And I was at Mini Trista last night and they're ready to pump out the communication, too. So, so I think we'll I think we'll be set. Any questions? So, you got you're anticipating like selling out again and you're not selling them that day. That's just like pickup only. Hopefully, it's pickup only. Yes. That would be our goal. How can people contact you to get a rain barrel? Yeah. Okay. So, I have the link in here. Um, and that would go right to the rain barrel sales and also to the HBA website which has my my number too. So, I'm just thinking if you mention it to the people listening. Yes. Okay. Thank you. The best way is to go out to the harrisonbay.org website. Um, and that has information about rain barrels and also a contact that would lead directly to me. Perfect. So, thank you. All right. Anything else? No, it was great. Thanks for doing it again this year. Thank you so much for your support. Appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Number eight, we got a public hearing. Uh Rita's going to come up and discuss it. There we go. All right. Good evening, U members of the council, members of the public. I'm Rita Trap, uh the city's planning consultant. Uh before you this evening are public hearings, as we've mentioned for land use and subdivision requests for Fern Lane Town Homes of Mound. I'll provide an introduction um to the project and then obviously can answer any questions that you may have before you have your public hearing. Um the applicant is proposing four fourale town home units. Um it's two buildings with two units each. Um and each unit has a two-car garage. Uh the units are oriented internally so they are perpendicular to the street and they have a private interior drive that they all share. Uh there are a shared outdoor space and you can see it at the end where that gazebo is at the end of the driveway and then there is a deck on each unit. Um, the applicant is proposing, as I said, for sale units. So, there will be a homeowners association that would be used to manage the driveway areas and the public open space areas. And then each unit would be sold independently. Uh, in terms of a location, this property is located on the east side of Fern Lane, uh, south of Church Road. It's behind the Commerce Place Shopping Center, north of the post office. Fern Lane is a dead-end road in that location. the applicant. Actually, there are two lots involved and they're proposing to combine the two lots and it will be a 0.21 acre site. Both lots are currently vacant. Um, and again, they are owned by the same folks that own the Commerce Place Shopping Mall uh across the street. And I only bring it up because I will be referencing it a couple of times as we move through the presentation. So, the requests this evening are a major subdivision and preliminary plat, and that's to combine the two lots together and create the outlot that is needed for the homeowners association to manage. Uh, a conditional use permit. They are requesting a shoreland plan unit development. Uh, this area is in the mixeduse district. Uh, as it is in the mixeduse district, any new development within the mixeduse district in the city of Mound requires a conditional use permit for a plan unit development. So there isn't something specific they're asking for that causes this. This is just the starting point that we have in the city that it all projects of this nature would require a conditional use permit. Uh these these pla or sorry these lots already have drainage and utility easements which I'll reference in a moment. So they do need to have vacation of drainage and utility easements as well. Uh as I referenced the comprehensive plan for this area is mixed use. Uh the goal of the mixeduse district is to com is to support a combination of commercial public residential uses, town homes, row houses. Um it's really meant to provide flexibility. So there's options for infill development. Um the current density goal is 8 to 15 units an acre. I would like to note that this application was actually submitted um in late 2022, early 2023 before our last comprehensive plan amendment, which means it was submitted um at the time that uh this area was actually guided for 12 to 30 units an acre. And I only note that because it's proposed at 19 units an acre. So this application has been in process for two years. Um the application came in and the planning commission did review it in 2023 and after we switched our rules. Um, so it's kind of in a in an interesting spot as a result of that. Zoning wise, uh, this is zoned mixed juice downtown. As I had related, it is a shoreland property. Um, it is farther away from the north. It's actually close within a thousand feet of the Lost Lake channel and that area. So that's why it's in the shoreland overlay district. Um, and again, a new plan development requires a cup um, anytime anything happens of that nature in our mixeduse district. Uh so this shows you the plot. Um as I said, each unit will be individual. They each have their own lot and block. And then the rest of the site will be in and out which will be managed by the homeowners association. Uh the easements uh you can see on the edges that there are easements around the property um on here that need to be vacated. Um they will be vacated and the entire outlot A becomes a drainage and utility easement. Um and so that's how those are getting adjusted. uh that is something that needed uh specific public hearing notices uh and those were fulfilled uh meeting statute requirements. I did want to note the evolution of the project request as I've already referenced. Uh this project has been in the works for a while. Uh the project actually was submitted as the courtyard town homes. Um and the planning commission did see it at under that. Um it had five units. Um and that application was withdrawn. It never made it uh uh all the way for consideration. It was replaced with the current project, which only has four town home units. Um, and then between the first planning commission meeting in March, uh, the applicant reworked some of the landscaping plan, added the decks, um, and then also made some adjustments to provide information about how garbage and deliveries and different elements would be handled in the plat. The second planning commission meeting was held in October of 2023. Um, and the applicant or the planning commission recommended approval. And then there haven't really been major changes to the application. There have been some adjustments and there was a narrative included in your packet materials uh where the applicant noted the changes that they had made overall for the whole project. Um and so those are just I wanted to note that just because of the time that has elapsed for this project. Walking through the site plan. Um as I said there are two buildings a north building and a south building. um the setbacks that are being established, a plan unit development allows a lot of flexibility and so the applicant is able to establish through the plan unit development the sideyard setbacks and the rear yard setbacks. Um the front yard setback is supposed to be between 15 and 25 ft and they are proposing 15 ft. Uh again the buildings are oriented internally which is is different than what we normally see in terms of orientation. Um and the building obviously is way more than 50 feet from the lake. um given I think it's 600 and some feet. Um so the setbacks that they are proposing on the north side is 10 feet on the south side is 8.7 feet and the rear is about 15 feet. I didn't hit it. Uh architectural requirements uh generally the design fulfills those requirements. The applicant has incorporated some changes. uh building massing. Those are elements that are part of the plan unit development and you may want to spend some more time talking with the applicant about what they've evolved and how the the buildings will look. Uh we do have and you were included in your packet uh some of the computer graphics that tried to illustrate approximately what it would look like. Um and these are kind of the first computer uh generated graphics that they have. Uh building heightwise uh all buildings are required to meet 35 ft maximum requirements. Uh we don't have a building form uh yet and that's not unusual for these types of projects. Initial information from the applicant would indicate these are about um between 33 feet and 34 feet uh to the midpoint of the roof. But again the approvals are that they have to stay under that 35 ft which is our maximum in the community. Um and regulatory flood protection elevation um they're generally uh because of where they are in the community that's not an issue for these projects. Parking wise, uh the applicant is proposing twocar garage for each unit and then there's two visitor spaces at the entrance of the development. So there's one visitor space here and one on the the south side. As you can see, these uh these folks will have to back out um into the shared driveway space uh to leave the project. Uh parking on Fern is generally possible, but again, we have the seasonal parking restrictions, so overnight parking isn't really a possibility. There has been some conversation of whether um there could or should be a easement or shared parking agreement with the shopping center since this applicant also owns that. Um then that would have to be something established in perpetuity. So that is an option. Um technically they are required to provide two car or two spaces and they have done that but I know we've had conversation and concerns about visitor parking. So um I just wanted to acknowledge that element. Um again turning radiuses were uh identified by staff as a concern. The applicant has provided these turning diagrams to demonstrate that there is adequate space. Uh and they also have noted in their narrative that they are going to do wider garage doors just um part of the other concern is you know getting garbage in and out may having enough space in the garage. Uh and they did provide illustrations to try and demonstrate that um typical vehicles could fit in the garage. Uh one area that has changed through the project is landscaping. Uh the area h the current plan for landscaping is shown here. Um this plan has more kind of uh grass area with some trees um and some shrubbery kind of more uh toning it back a little bit from I think as planted as it used to be. Uh folks had planning commission had talked about whether or not uh folks should be able to use the space. Um and so they have kind of put this landscape plan together and tried to cluster it so there's a little bit of lawn area uh that would be available for residents use storm water the proposed impervious area is 64% the maximum allowed in this district is 75% with an approved storm water management plan uh and I'll reference this a little bit later uh relative to Minihaha Creek wershed district outdoor space again uh out the uh the rear of the property. There's kind of a shared community space shown with a gazebo. There is a deck provided on the second floor of each unit. Um the proposed open space on the site is 34%. Uh and we don't have the same standards for open space for town homes as we do for multifamily. Um because town homes are felt to be a little bit different in terms of how people relate uh to the property. Snow removal is going to be managed for the HOA. Uh again, it was raised as a concern given the area on the site. Um again, there is an opportunity, if that is of a concern, to maybe look at or require some type of arrangement with the shopping center. Um and again, that would be something that would need to be established by an easement, something in perpetuity. So, if anything would happen, um that that's something held on to with that uh development. given the the time uh between the last time the planning commission saw this and there was a public hearing. Um in March, we notified a public hearing for the planning commission and uh then and again in October, we notified the same folks because we had six months in between the first meeting and the second meeting. Because of that time again to see you, we notified everybody again to make sure there was an opportunity and everybody had um knew about the project and had an opportunity to speak. So you may have folks in the audience that are interested in speaking on this. In addition to the public, we also notified at each step of the process our typical list of staff consultant agencies to make sure um that we covered our basis and staff turnover means that not everybody would have seen it. So in this last round uh of notifications, we did hear back um from four different agencies. Two of them, as noted in your packet, didn't have any comments. It wasn't something of concern. Two did have concerns. Uh one is the DNR. They noted the fact that this is within the shoreland overlay district and they wanted to make sure we were clear about that. Sarah and I know that almost everything in mound is a shoreland project. Um but we didn't make it as clear. Um and so we did add uh clarity to that that it is in a shoreland district. As I noted in the staff report, as is typical with any of our projects in the downtown, some of the requirements are just not possible. U 50% open space uh in the downtown area is not possible. density requirements are challenging to meet um given a shoreline project. We're also more than 600 feet away. So, this isn't interacting with the lake in the same way, but we did want to honor uh the fact that it is. And so, you'll notice that we were very clear in our language uh with these approvals. The other one uh notice that came was from Minhaha Creek wershed district and it it indicated that there was some additional conversation that the applicant and Minihaha Creek wershed district needed to have about storm water and erosion control. Um as you all are aware Minhaha Creek takes that uh responsibility for the city. So they are the ones that would approve storm water and erosion control. uh and so we made sure to link uh again or encourage the applicant to have more conversations with Minihaha Creek watershed districts. So uh again I wanted to note back I had mentioned when we do impervious surface you are allowed to go up to 75% as long as you have an approved plan. So as long as Minihaha Creek approves how storm water is going to be handled on this site the 64% uh that is included in this project uh is acceptable and typical to what we see with our downtown projects. Again, as I said, we mailed notice to all properties. Uh we did also because this is the vacation of an easement. We also need to um notice anybody who's in the plat, which also includes those um so that everybody has notice of all those. Uh no comments have been received by staff uh on the project. And we didn't have anybody attend either the March meetings or the the October meetings, but there could be people today. So, uh, when we hold that public hearing, again, as I kind of referenced, it was reviewed by the planning commission in March of 2023, uh, they tabled the application and asked, uh, the applicant to address garbage and snow removal, visitor parking, deliveries, outdoor space for children. Uh, then it was seen again in October 17th. Uh, applicant made changes and at that time the planning commission uh, recommended approval. So again, our request for you this evening is to hold the public hearing. It will be considering all three of the requests, major subdivision, preliminary plat, conditional use permit, easement, vacation. Discuss the request and then take one of the actions either um make a motion to approve the resolutions uh or to deny that the resolutions or table and ask either the staff or the applicant to provide more information. We do have three resolutions of approval uh provided in your packet uh and those are because the planning commission did recommend approval. Uh, so the conditions include the conditions recommended by staff as well as the additional conditions that the planning commission mentioned at their meeting. With that, I can answer any questions if I didn't cover a particular topic in enough in enough depth. Does council have any questions for Rita? You covered all of it. I don't know. I might not have. There's a lot of details. So, happy to answer any questions if there are any. Uh, the the March in 2023, that's when it was five units. It was four units. There was actually another project before that called the Courtyard Town Homes when it was five. And this is always four. This one has always been four. So, they did five and didn't receive great feedback on the five. The fifth one was kind of in the back where that patio is proposed. Um, and because of that conversation, they withdrew and then came back with this project, but only has four. Cool. You you might not know this answer, but Oh, boy. the the town homes that we did on the island um of Island Park. Yeah. Yes. Um with the turning ratio, is that similar? You know, I can look I I believe those are different. My there's some on this side, some on that side. So, but I don't think they're as narrow or narrow in the same way, but I'd have I can actually I mean, depending on how this goes, I can look it up. It it might be a little short of time depending on the conversation. Well, the turning radius has always been an issue, and I still need reassurance that that can actually happen. I I I just don't know how it can happen without crashing into the grills and things, but maybe everybody has slug bugs. I don't know. Yes. And they also are backing directly into each other, across from each other, right? So, there's pros and cons. I mean, you do get to know things when you live someplace, but I think you know that staff has shared concerns about that since the beginning of the project, but but it is does it fit minimum guidelines for That's what I was going to say. Yeah. For what? It's a driveway. It's not a street. I'm sure there's like a minimum being the you know, it has to be so wide. No, there's a it's a driveway, not a street. So, it's a different there aren't standards that we can look back at and say it meets the minimum standard. So, we asked for the turning rate assignment and they did provide it and that's why you have it is to say does that make sense to you um or not. I have to admit the island park when I've driven out there and it's very difficult to turn around in when there's no snow. It's tight, but it I mean it does work, right? Yeah. I mean, I don't have a little car, but I don't have a giant car either. I have a Yeah. And that's the thing like I have a big truck. There's no way I would, you know, it would be very difficult for you. But for other people have a smaller or I know and and the applicant provided, you know, they do have demonstrated that there's vehicles that can fit in there. Um, but as you know, staff has shared that concern all the way from the beginning about facing structures on a shared driveway and visitor parking. They met they meet the minimum city requirement. Well, the city requirement is is met by just having two spaces. Two per Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then they could park around the corner on any of our city roads. Just not It's the overnight part that they wouldn't be able to do. But yes, you could have folks that park in on Fern in the culde-sac or if you if you wanted. It's just that you couldn't do it overnight once seasonal parking restrictions. Yeah. Yeah. But they do have room for the two vehicles in their own garages. Okay. And then this whole Minihaha Creek thing, what's the deal with that? Uh, that is they need to work out the details because that's the responsible agency for it. Um, the last correspondent. So, we received that comment, we passed it on to the applicant, they spoke with Minhaha Creek. Um, and they feel comfortable that they'll be able to meet the requirements of Minihaha Creek. Okay, that's the best we can say. um because that's a separate agency who is reviewing this and they usually wait for you to take action before they take their action. So So ours would be dependent on them approving. That is one of the conditions. Okay. Correct. Cool. All right. Any other questions for Rita? No. I mean I'm sure there's other projects that are that are that tight and I'm confident that you know they're not going to build something that people are going to get there and not not want to buy. But you just couldn't have a dually pickup, I suppose. No. Yeah. The drawing or rendering here, the trees are look like they're right between the road and the parking space. Is there really room to plant a tree there? I mean, is that what we're intending there? There is plans to put a tree right on. And I wanted to go to this because I was trying to think of the sequencing of which diagram was done at which time. Um, but there were plans to put trees there. Uh, it'll be right tight against the road. Yes. Yeah. We tight because that that lot is very wooded. I drove by it, but anymore. Right. Which is why I'm asking about the trees, right? Well, what I mean, they're kind of all thistly weeds. Yeah. Are they between the library and the property beginning? But those will all be gone. Yeah. The post office. Okay. All right. Do we want to hear from the developer or Sure. do the public comment first or developer first. Okay, if you guys want to come up, just give us your name and address, please. Mr. Mayor, members of the council, staff, I'm Scott Gates. I'm here on behalf of the applicant. Sharers owns the shopping center and this parcel was part of the original transaction. Um, it has been a little bit of a long process. Um, I kind of came in in the middle of it, um, after the initial five unit development and we sat down and took a look at the planning commission's concerns, kind of went through point by point, addressed those. Um, Miss Mcani and the planning commission did a great job. Um, and if you read the narrative, you can see a point by point how we address those. Um, Rita did her usual excellent job. So, I don't think there's a ton of questions. Couple things I can address are the turning radius. Um, we did have an engineering turning radius done by the civil engineers to prove. And if you really want to drill down, I think it tells you what vehicles they were using for those as well. Um, the garages will hold that image shows a Suburban and a smaller SUV. Oh, wow. So, they will hold that. I think we expanded the garages just a tiny bit, but more importantly, we put 18 foot garage doors. Kind of expensive, but it allows a little bit more room when you're pulling in and out. Um, the villages of Island Park are very similar um to this. They're a little bit deceiving. Technically, if you measure from garage door to garage door, they might be a foot foot and a half different. I don't remember the exact um but they have decks that stick out. So there's a roughly four foot deck, maybe a three-foot deck on the fronts with posts. So it's kind of like six of one half dozen of another. They get along just fine. I live across the street and you know, everybody kind of figures it out and you both open your garage door at the same time. It's kind of like a four-way stop. So um I I don't think that'll be an issue. Um, I think the second thing that's worth mentioning, um, is let's go to your tree question in the boulevard. The trees can go where they fit. Um, for example, those two trees are close to the entrance, but Fern Lane, where the lower tree is, stops right there. Basically, it's a dead end, right? And there's open space behind that. So there's a little room to work with that. The reason those trees were there was there was some concern about these are very tall, narrow buildings and it's non-traditional. So we spend a lot of time with the street elevation to try and soften the masses. That's why you see the color variations kind of like villages of Island Park did. Um the reality is it's a shopping center. it's the back of the shopping center behind it and there's no traffic. So, if you guys came and said, "Well, that's too tight. We're worried that tree is going to get too big." We can look at some alternatives there. Um, from from that point of view. Um, and it is commercial to the south. It's backs up to the post office to the south. Um, I think the last thing and then I'll answer any other questions. um Minhow Creek Watershed District. Um the um civil engineer who did the plan initially determined that this would not trigger an MCWD permit. It's less than one acre and it's single family. So typically that's an exception. Um I'll divert for just a second here. We have two components. Erosion control and storm water management. So erosion control is always done. There's actually an erosion control plan shown in the in in the plan documents. The storm water management is what we did not have. The reason he didn't include that is each of the four units is on an individual lot and then there's an outlot. Typically these are considered these small developments. either a a zero lot line single family or commonwall single family. So, it doesn't matter. Regardless, we'll we'll uh deal with that. I have spoken with with uh MCWD. I actually talked to uh my engineer who was out for spring break last week with his kids, but um we don't think there should be a problem with with addressing that in some fashion. And MCWD doesn't dictate. Um, their word is we're not prescriptive. We don't tell you what to do. We work with you to find out what works best for this site. So, there's a little bit of challenges because we've got so so much building with minimal setbacks. Don't have so much building, but we have minimal setbacks with a PUD, but we do have open areas and there's a lot of things like some overland flows we can do, some rain gardens, things like that that we're pretty sure we can address that. So, um I think those would be the three things that you guys brought up. Um and then the process was uh partly market conditions, seeing where the market was going to go, the election, some of that kind of stuff, and partly just getting this right. Um we did spend a lot of time, as you might notice, on a lot of little details, including even on the interiors of these to value engineer them, try and keep the cost I don't know if we can say affordable, but less and those kinds of things. Um, so yeah, I would take any other questions that you might have. But does council have any other questions? Well, I I have a I have a couple of concerns. Sure. Maybe you can address. You know, I'm it's really important to me at least to try and make efforts to preserve, you know, the sightelines and open space feel. and as it did then and it still does now. You know, the the project kind of falls under the just because you can doesn't mean you should. Yep. Um, I guess I realize that these renderings are just that renderings and and they don't show us the final product result, but I I guess I'd like you to share with us how you feel that the mass and scale will fit into the round the you know neighborhood and the surrounding area with the new development. So, first thing when you get them in, take a look at the blueprints, the construction plans that we did for you, the line drawings of the elevations, those are all correct. They're just not in three dimensions. Um, so you can see what how close it is to these. Um, well, I understand. I want to get your Yep. answer to how you feel that it will fit into the neighborhood at that scale. So, I said one thing, I made one comment on it that it's surrounded on two sides by commercial. So, I I don't think that's an excuse to just do it like you say. And even on the south elevation, the post office parking lot. We spent a fair amount of time with even that elevation. It's got some box windows, some things like that. So, we've done the things that you can do, the colors, those kinds of things. work to try and soften it to do what we can. Um the little gazebo, you know, some of those kind of things. You can see what I was saying about the trees here, too, how they kind of soften the front of it. But you can also see the box windows that we put in the double gables. You can see a little bit of that on the front. The original plan had a big gable with a smaller one inside of it. And the original architect, I'm sure, thought that was adding detail, but in reality, it was just making more roof mass. So, we did two smaller ones, the the box bays. Um, we have um some cantalievers, some of those kinds of things. So, we've done, I think, as much as we can within reason. Um, more than I think a lot of times you might see. Well, you're not really answering my question. how it will fit into the neighborhood. But, you know, my concern is as you're I mean, these are really tall. They're threetory buildings. And as you pull into Mountain, go past our Tessa and then the park, you're those things are going to be towering over they're going to be the tallest buildings in our sighteline coming into Mount. So, I guess, you know, it would be kind of like, I don't know, a seven foot man walking into a little People convention and hoping not to be recognized. You know, it just feels really, really gigantic. And when I asked you how you feel it will fit into the neighborhood, this will be the tallest building on that edge of town. And I just I I I'm concerned that it's too much to fit comfortably into the neighborhood. If it were on any other lot, I think it would be lovely, but it's going to be that's going to be the first thing you see as you turn going into Mountain. So, you know, obviously I guess it needs to fit into the vision that that with the new developments and everything for Mount and I don't know um to make to make Mount proud so to speak because that's going to be right in our sight line. Y um so I understand what you're saying and it's something that again we work to address. We didn't ignore the back of the building because of that exposure. I think it'll be softened a little bit by the mass of the post office, post office between it and the road, but it still is going to be the the post office has nothing to do with it. It's sitting above the hill, so it is going to be sitting three stories above the post office. And the house next door is a duplex, right? And it's two stories high. I think that I think it's two stories. One and a half. Yeah. I mean, I'm just that's my concern. I think it's a lot of building on a very small amount of property and and as we were concerned about before I think you were marketing this towards families. Are you still and that's why we had you address the green space issue because that wouldn't work for families. Are you moving now more towards you like young married couples or I think you market to to anyone that's interested but you try and accommodate as many as many opportunities as we did with the with the landscaping and the lawns and I think that appeals to anybody whether you're an empty neester or a family. Yeah. But it it particularly appealed to I think f provided some appeal to families. Um again this is very very similar in design to the villages. Um the villages are very close to two roadways there. Um they have very high density. Um they did some of the same well I should rephrase this. We're doing some of the same things they did. You don't see it in this but you do see it in the the elevations. The top floor is white. It has board and bat and vertical siding. The second and first floors have horizontal siding. So things like that help soften that height mass. The colors help soften the height mass. Is it going to be the same color? That's the intent that it'll be a dark base. If you drive by the villages, that's the intent. It might not, but this is a much different sighteline than the villages. This is I'm talking about the the mass scale of it in that tiny little area, especially when you're coming into Mount. It's going to be the main introduction into downtown mount when because you can't miss it. You're you're looking right that way. Yeah, I would say. So, the only thing you're going to see is that rear elevation. Well, you're going to see the side of the building. You're going to see that whole side of the building. That's that's perpendicular to the post office. So you're making this side that you see here facing this way is what you will see from the road. Just a single building. Um unlike wall of building what's that a mass wall of building but again they're not comparable to the building but this is on a hill. They're different setups all together. We've done everything that I think we can do with other suggestions. Um, but there's only so much that we can do um to to accommodate that. It's a site that had I mean anything we put up there. We put a two-story house there, it's going to be exactly the same issue. A two-story house would be the same as a three-story not a two-story house with a walk out basement. I should correct that. Is this How tall is this? This is about 34 feet from memory max. 34.2 something like that. Yep. Thank you. Sure. So, question. This rendering here, there's little patios in the back. Are those tiny little They're small patios. We don't have a lot of space, right, to work with, but that was one of the considerations or concerns with the planning commission. They had even smaller patios when we started. So the yeah the fence that's up there is that going to be a fence between the duplex and these or are you putting that in? So because there's not one this is the retaining wall that you see here. Okay. So the lower gray is the post office. Oh that's right. We're in the post. Okay. Sorry. And then there'll be about that it's 3 to four feet. So this drawing has that a little bit taller. The upper retaining wall. So are you putting fencing in the back which abuts to a residential property behind there? So, the residential property behind there is lower than this. Mhm. Um, they already have a 5ft, I think, cedar fence. Um, that rendering, I kind of left a break in it. It's not there, but then you can kind of see through it. Um, we might talk with them and see if they like what we're doing here. And maybe we maybe the fence, which is older, maybe they they say, "This this looks good the way it is. We'll do some landscaping there." So, Okay. Um, but they have a fence. Um, we do have a landscape uh wall there and we've tried to do some landscaping on the top of it. Again, same thing to soften the buildings. Um, that type of a thing. My guess is I don't think we show a fence on the north lot line next to the uh rental um duplex, but we could put that in. We I mean I think that's a I think that would be a nice to have based on what's currently occurring. in that property. You know, I don't sure as might feel differently, but I don't have a real concern. It's they have some toys and some things there and it's very tight to that property though. Well, it's loaded with toys and I mean they've been enjoying that property for a long time. It looks been enjoying your property. Exactly. Yeah. Yep. So, yeah, I think if if a fence is something that's you know that that makes sense and that that you guys would be interested in, we can certainly look in that at that. We can also look at some plantings and some of those those kinds of things as well that might try and address that because that's a very narrow strip behind yours and then running into their property line. That is they have uh that's the garage. There really isn't any exposure from their property, windows, things like that. Um, their deck is, in fact, I don't even remember if there's a deck on the back, but the living space would be around a little to the north. So, the patio doors with the little concrete pad are actually in the garage. They're in the garage. We thought that was something that I don't know, you know, whether they make sense or not, but it was just another little touch that we thought might might make some sense. Um, the man cave kind of idea a little bit. Um, somebody wants the grill, they can be in the garage. They have access to the back. At minimum, we would probably put a service door there. So, we could go either way with those. What is the footprint of that patio? Pardon me. What's the dimensions? The patio. The little patio on the ground level. The gazebo. The gazebo. Not the gazebo. The one. Just the little ones back in the garage. They're just enough to step down onto. They're probably a 3ft by 6 foot something like that. I suppose we could do a little deck there. Um well, you know, there's always a thing about, you know, functionality of of a balcony. Y that's not very functional. Those are at the ground level or or yeah, one one step kind of a thing. So, it's probably more you might do a patio with just a step. So you'd be on the ground would be how I would envision that. Again, they're not designed to be any big outdoor area. It's just to have some small space. They wanted to have a grill on the ground floor off the garage instead of on the deck above. Um that kind of thing. We tried to uh increase the deck sizes enough so we could get a grill on those. Um couple of chairs, some of those kinds of things. Um, you know, it's it's a site that doesn't have a ton of space on the on the ground level, which is characteristic of pretty much any project like this. Um, so we work to you can kind of see how we wrap them around the corner. You know, that kind of thing. We indented the doors on those corners just to create another 12, 18 inches of space on the deck. Little things like that. So, one the two end units have a corner deck and then the other ones have just a small Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yep. I appreciate that you've addressed all of our issues. Um, you know, and for me, I'm just uncomfortable with the height of it and with the with the I mean, it's it's it's literally going to stand over all of that neighborhood and they're it's going to look like two little buildings on stilts in the neighborhood. And and that's my concern. If it were on any other lot, I'd say it's beautiful. I think anybody who would purchase them would be lucky. I think you've done a very nice job. I just feel like it's too much on that site. Even though I know it's all, you know, by it meets city code and zoning and everything, but it's one of those things where, you know, maybe one at maybe both of them at two two levels rather than that third level could be less ominous looking. But I think this is gonna be really in your face. What's the square footage per unit? Uh, you know, I don't have it off the top of my head. It's probably I think it was about 2200 square feet. This is going to be for sale. For sale. Yeah. You know, roughly the cost, the sale price. Low fours would be the target. Who knows with what's going on right now, right? But that's the intent. I mean, we even value engineered them to to try and squeeze out what we could. Um, I just want it to be befitting of the impression we're trying to move and I honestly think to have people be excited about Yeah. coming into downtown mount. I I honestly think that this will be a an addition a plus. Um there's a lot of mature trees in that area, so those are going to frame this um to the north and to the rear to the east. Um hopefully we'll have some nice landscaping with it that'll help. Um and again it you're quite a ways from shoreline. Now when it's that tall you're going to see that's what you're going to see. Well, but it's we're not 15 ft like the villages might be from the road. So we're quite a ways and it's a single building. I think that's what it comes down to. The other thing is, you know, consider that this is a a mixeduse downtown zoning. Um, and one of the things a project like this does is it helps provide a little bit of a buffer to the commercial. Um, that it it provides a softening, a transition, so those existing residents that are right there have a nicer residential project rather than looking at the back of the shopping center. Um, you know, we could probably do a rendering of the rear that that kind of showed it from that view if that would help at some point. But, uh, yeah, I I I think these I've been doing this a long time and we spent a lot of time with this. I was pretty happy with the end result with the parameters that we have to work with on it. You did a good job. What are you going to do with for snow removal? What's that? Snow. Um, snow can be removed from the site without a problem. U, the only thing that you would get into is whether you have to truck it off the site on a large snow event. We can certainly do that. Any other property would do that being that Shrezad also owns the shopping center. You know, there's no reason that we probably can't figure out a way to temporarily store snow on the shopping center site, which is immediately adjacent. It's literally across Fern Lane. So, just like Sarah said, would you have to do a contract then with him? Well, they both he owns both of them at this point. He does. We would want to with the association have an agreement if that's what we were going to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Probably just be a an easement. Yep. Easement or a just a license. All right. So, if we could put that in Yep. Okay. Any other questions at all? All right. All right, we're going to do a public comment. Sounds good. Thanks. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right, I'm going to open the public comment section if anybody wants to come up and talk about this and give you three minutes. All right, not hearing any. So, I'm going to close the public comment, bring it back to council. Does council want to chat about what we think? Well, I mean, I'm uncomfortable with the scale and mass of it in that area. I I I like what what you've worked with. I don't know where you went. Oh, there you are. I appreciate what you've done with it. I But that doesn't take away the fact that it's just a massive structure on a very small area. Okay. I agree with what Kathy's saying. It is a large mass in a very small space. I did drive over there and take a look um at the actual property. Um I'm assuming it's not financially feasible to boo a duplex there in today's environment. It's a tough one. I agree with you that a lot more expensive something or two family or two small family homes. Anything that's not just it's only three story. All right. This this is between us though. So let's not talk. Okay. Well, anyway, that's that's all I've got. So, anyway. Yeah. So, that's your comments. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Good. I mean, it it fits, you know, I don't have any objections really. I mean, it is it makes it look taller when we're looking at it now because we can't see anything that's around it. I'm interested that no one came to speak against it, you know, like a Yeah. neighboring. So, I mean, I have to assume that the neighbors have heard it, seen it, and thought about it. Um, and when you put it on the lot, I would imagine it blends in a lot better with the trees that are going to be there. It's tight, but I mean, that's kind of what we have left in mound, I think. Is that the last Sarah? property that can be kind of developed in the mixed area down there. I think this is the terminus of the Isn't this the last Isn't this what I call the east edge of downtown of the district? Yes. So that's the last tech Well, this is the last vacant. Yes. Because if we go back to this map, should be a second. I promise it's there. There it is. The mixeduse district includes all the way up to church and all the way up to the street post office. This is the last vacant piece, but okay, other things could happen maybe. I can't make any promises. And so everything within the orange area can be 35 ft. Everything in the whole city can be 35 ft. The maximum height in all of our districts is 35 ft. We don't have any districts that are different than that. That was one of the changes that were made when we updated the mixed use. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I I I now know three years later that 35 feet doesn't really mean 35 feet. It can be taller than 35 feet. So, I wish I would have understood that two years ago. I would have said no. 20 feet max. Well, 35 ft is the maximum needed point and that's in our residential districts and all those. Yeah. Yep. Thank you. Any other last comments? So, I you know, I think it's a great project. I like I like it a lot. Um I mean, for this property, you can only do so much. Remember, we have the flats coming in. Um if you look, if you drive by those, those are definitely tall. And again, it takes you a while to kind of get used to new things, right? Unfortunately or fortunately, uh remember our Tesla? I mean, our Tesla was huge, right? You every time you drove by, you're like, "Oh my god, that's huge." Now it's kind of like it's just there and it's part of the background of what we look at now. So yes, it's big. You know, I'm looking at Google Maps and I'm trying to figure it out. I mean, until it's there, obviously, we won't know. And yes, you're right. It's on a hill. You got the post office as you're coming into mount. You got the post office kind of in front of it. You're going to see it peeking out the top. No, you're going to see the entire three stories. It's above the It's on a hill above the entire post office. So, you're going to see all three stories as you drive into Mount. Yeah. And again, I mean, it I I guess I'm comfortable with that. So, so any other last comments on this or are we prepared to vote on it? If someone wants to do a motion, we got page uh 879. There's three, right? Yeah. Thought it was in here. 879. Or you can just read the thing. Whoever wants to do it. Um, I can't get that. Got it. No, go ahead. Okay. Um, okay. So, we have three resolutions, correct? Yep. Um, I would make a resol motion to approve um a resolution approving the vacation of drainage and utility easements on property proposed to be platted as Fern Lane Town Homes of Mound Planning Case 2303. Okay, I got a motion. Can I get a second? Second. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. Those opposed? Nay. Nay. Uh, so we got 3 to2, right? Okay, so that passes. Um, then we got 882. someone wants to make a motion for that. Yeah, I'm just kind of famous for finding the wrong page. Let's see. Do you want mine? Yeah, because I'm not finding the uh order. What do you need? Okay. Number 25, resolution approving the major subdivision preliminary plat of the Fern Lane Town Homes of Mount Planning case number 23-03. All right. So that's your motion. Can I get a second? Second. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. Those opposed? Nay. Nay. All right, that passed two. And then we got 8.86. All right, I found it. Um, I would like to make a motion approving resolution for a conditional use permit for a shoreland plant unit development in the mixeduse downtown district for Fern Lane Town Homes of Mound, planning case 2303. All right, got a motion. Can I get a second? Second. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I those opposed? Hey, nay. Okay, so that passes as well. That's it, right? All three. Okay. All right. Thanks, guys. Um, number nine, we got uh council in introduction re reviewd discussion with Paula Larson, owner of 2316 Commerce Boulevard. Thanks. Regarding interest in purchase purchasing outlaw B, Mound Harbor. The next the next page has the location. That's all I was saying. I'm not connected anymore. All right. Good evening again. Um, as established by your policy regarding development application review procedures. Um, you are receiving this evening a council introduction. Um, the intention is to talk about what the project is that the applicant is interested in um, in advance of them submitting full applications. Um I have on the screen uh the location of where this project is on Commerce Boulevard between Old Shoreline and Auditor's Road. Um the yellow is the 2316 Commerce Boulevard building. The red is Outlot B uh which is owned by the city. Um and I reference both of those because that is uh two properties that are being proposed. Um the applicant uh will actually come and propose or provide the information. Um staff does not review this because we are at the nature of it's just a proposal. There's nothing for us specifically to review. We just wanted to open it. Um, as is our customary policy, we did notice uh neighbors that are within 350 ft of the application this evening. So, they would have a chance to come and listen, provide feedback uh to you. It's at your pleasure of of those comments. Um, but it is an opportunity for you to provide feedback and direction to that property owner. Um, Ms. Larson is I believe here. There's so many people. There you are behind. I couldn't see you. Uh Sarah said she was here though. Um she will be able to introduce her project and will do a much better job than I will. So I will sit down unless there are any questions about our process or procedures, but I think we've done this before. So should be fairly straightforward. Think we're good. Thanks. Appreciate it. Paula, if you want to come up. All right. Can you give us your name and address? My name is Paula Larson. I live at 5713 Lynwood Boulevard in Mount. Um, good evening, council mayor and city staff. I don't How do I turn that light down? You think I would know how to do that, but here I'll turn. Is it right here? The little slidy thing is on the right. Slides down on the side of it. Oh, there. Turn it. I There's like a slot. Yeah. On the side of it. It's kind of hard to find. I have one of those at home and I hate it. Perfect. Okay, just to reiterate what every trap was saying, outlot B, Mount Harbor, is the Lshaped, irregular L-shaped lot um that's owned by the city. It's been owned by the city 24 years with no revenue coming to the city of Mountain Taxpayers. My property that I've owned for almost 30 years is the one outline outlined in yellow. I have a commercial building there. I have two great longtime Mount tenants that are there and everybody's happy. The uh cosmetic work that was in the packet uh for my building there at 2316 really doesn't need any permission. it's paint, new uh replacement of lights and so forth. Uh but it does uh flow through to the rest of the property. I have three currently three intentions for the use of this property. And for all you waiting out there, I'm going to be fast for a change. First one is along Commerce Boulevard there, as you can see, going north and south. I really want to put in some serious landscaping. Uh we do have a some new setback rules here. We don't want to I'm not putting a building there yet, but along that north south line there. Um our plans include uh ornamental crab apple trees. If you've ever been by Lafayette Club in the springtime, you know what that looks like. I would love to run that north and south of that corridor along with more uh perennial and annual gardens fence detail in there that's for art. And I just think mound needs some softness to it. The trees that were in that general area, probably those hundred-y old trees that I'm going to guess were put in by Dr. Mitchell. Uh, they were all removed and now we have no trees. I have two trees still on my property here. It's time we add back the landscaping, make it look pretty for our town. There's also a walkway. There's also some benches on the corner and I would be talking to council member Pew about the age sensitive benches there and uh she's the head of that committee there for the state. Second thing I'd like to do because I've had requests for this on the north side of my wall there. I've had requests to put the mural back in our downtown mount. Uh for those of you that aren't familiar to what the two murals were we had in our town, you can jump into the hallway at our city hall. There's a beautiful watercolor uh framed picture of what that mural looked like that our people here just absolutely loved. Unfortunately, that was removed when Walgreens went in. Our second mural was actually across the street from my building. Um when Tom Flug was over there, he's very musically inclined, very artistic. He had that the piano keys and kind of an abstract form with musical notes and stuff. It was lovely. And uh I've had some requests and I believe it's on the internet right now about people requesting that. Third thing I'd like to do is I'd like to add the property back to our tax roles. This has been not earning the citizens amount, the taxpayers amount, one dime, yet we're paying to keep it up. It's time this property was brought back and um I just think the property is would just be lovely and uh I have a lot of detail for this. I've worked hard on it and uh those of you that know me know that I do my homework. So there is no voting tonight. Um my attorney uh we may be jumping the gun a little bit but he has done a final opinion for me and we also have a preliminary uh purchase agreement ready to go and um I will take any questions if you have any. Does council have any questions for Larson? Quick one Paula um cosmetically on your building I meant to look when I drove by tonight. Is that roof on it currently? The sloped roof that kind of uh I think you're That's not a sloped roof. Well, it looks kind of like a sloped roof on here. This is that there. No, no. I think you're Are you looking at the um what's that called? The awning that's coming down. I think it just looks from the perspective of the architectural the drawing. It is not going up. It is flat. And then Okay. Yeah. the angle. Yeah, they angle and you could see the architect Drew going along Commerce Boulevard there. We've got some He added some stuff there to the left, but there's some setbacks in that area as I recall. So, I'm excited. I'm excited that you're making some cosmetic Oh, yeah. enhancements. Oh, yeah. But still keeping is that mid-century modern look? And I'm going to be keeping the mid-century modern look. I've also started the process to declare that building historic and uh it is 65 years old. There's some funding there and I've gotten involved with that group there. So, um I'm looking forward to this. Uh this building was originally built by our local dentist Dr. Hal Borg and this was his until uh it was purchased by my husband and myself. It's going to be lovely. It'll be just lovely. Well, I think the landscaping obviously Yeah. you know, you have 100% expertise here. It looks really, really pretty. Thank you. Especially with added benches. Um, you know, I like obviously I like that it's going to appeal to the walkability of everybody downtown. It's going to really um fall right in line with the beautiful landscaping that our Tessa does. Yeah. I'm you know it's going to follow through with that and and with our new park over at Lost Lake Common. It'll just be a nice center of our town and it's located halfway between our Dakota Trail and our uh Andrew Sisters Trail. We've got a very successful ice cream shop there that that place is hopping in the evening in the summertime. If you've never been there, you'll have to go. And this would also I would like to take on the responsibility of this spot, but for those that are having ice cream and so forth or meeting with their friends, walking to town, this would be a great spot. I also plan on some sidewalk on Commerce Boulevard. There would be some down lighting there so in the evening it would be safe for everybody. It would add some really lovely ambiance down to that corner. Oh, great. the whole area would be would pick it up. Yeah. And and to bring the trees back, it would be lovely. Any other questions? Council, have any other questions? Um, you had said that you had like three ideas. My my Yeah, I basically had three ideas. Bring back the landscaping, put the ornamental crab apple trees in there, the walkway, the benches, make it a walkable space for us halfway between the trails. Number two was the mural and you can go to the city offices and see the previous mural that was up in town. And uh number three, this has been off the tax rolls for almost 25 years. City hasn't gotten penny one from this building being scraped and um I think it's time we move forward and uh beautify the space, make it lovely. And council member Consell, do you remember that mural? It was on the side of the sport shop, you know, and it looks like somebody locally might have painted it. And you you could see the owners of True Value and um uh Jubilee and some it was it it had a homey look to it. Local, very local. There's lots more. There's a lot of detail at a conversation tonight with a person, not directly, but indirectly that is really exciting. And uh I just think this is just absolutely going to be lovely in this area. Yes, it would be beautiful. Anything else? Go ahead. Well, Paulie, you know, you hit many of my favorite things. Art. I'm old. I can't hear. But you know, you know my love for public art and massive walking spaces. But I guess I do have to ask you, why would you select this lot versus the property the the lot on the other side of your building? And um if you're going to make this into a green space, how is that going to generate taxes for us? Because if we're going to have an owner other than the city amount, I'm going to be the owner. It will be fixed up. The taxes will be assessed on there that they aren't. Now, as far as the other side goes, I will tell you, Sherry, um I had a couple of conversations with the previous city manager, Eric, and he was trying to talk me into buying that area over there. Now, we've had a lot of construction going on with the building of that building behind mine. And um I did mention that when I was up here before in January about my plans to uh move forward with that. Mr. Eric gave me lots of ideas as to what I should do with that property. And if I can get through this first hoop, that is definitely on my plans to take that too and turn that and uh make that lovely too. put that back on a tax roll so we can preserve the parking in our downtown mound that was half of it was removed by a building project. So I'd like to put the parking back and have control of it for our businesses so we don't lose any more businesses. Any other questions? So more of a comment, I guess. Um I mean so you own obviously the building the blue outline. Yes. The city provides parking parcel A for your building, right? So, you're kind of landlocked, right? I mean, you're I'm not landlocked or whatever the term. I'm not landlocked. And there's a little hiccup with that parking there. And you you weren't here when the little hiccup came, but uh So, your building is the property. You have a little bit of grass on the east side. Yes. You have parking on the back side, but Yes. the parcel A, the front parking lot, Yes. is city provided. The city owns that whole. So, I'm gonna say the city owns it, but there's a parking issue with me there. I mean, there's Oh, yeah. Guaranteed parking for me because of something that went wrong that I've they know about it. Okay. So, yeah, the parking as long Yeah. Yeah. And that's the other thing. And what Eric Herstein was telling me at the time we talked about it, he was talking about curbing that all in so there'd only be one way in, one way out. This is what Eric was we were talking about before. He's not here anymore. And right now, I would love to see that because right now this is a raceway and we have the ice cream shop up there with people. and he really doesn't have any space except in the road. And the cars come whipping around on the south side of my building. They go on is that Marion Lane? North and South and they run across at high speed right by the people at the ice cream shop and they jump over and bounce over and they go over to the bank. So it is dangerous and I would like to fix that myself. Yeah. Well, with the city and I I I'm not going to go out there. parking lot's in pretty tough condition. The parking lot is in tough condition. Um, city manager and I have already had a conversation about that. Um, yes, we've had a conversation about who's responsible for that. Yes. So back when we had at least one of one other proposal which year four on parcel B with a combination of the of the building that used to be there, the old dentist office. Um that that would actually develop that property, right? Um, part of why, and I remember talking about this, we were looking at where right where the bee was, we're he was going to put a a sign right there and that was about it. And then we were going to do some landscaping and and that's about it. And I don't know if you were for that or not. I can't remember. But I remember the council, was that us? We offered it to him for a dollar and he never I was not I was not in favor of the Yeah, he of the a whole another thing. Yeah, he he had an issue with ADA requirements in the back. And so the council at that point, as I recall, um they decided that they would give what I remember is that they would give offer him an easement for like a dollar so he could get to the back. That's what I recall, but apparently that was I I'll state because I was the one who made that recommendation. I was not in favor of selling off um a part of the property for him to get the easement. So, we made the suggestion that he could have 15 ft what he needed um to create the ADA access issue and that he could come back with a price for that 15 ft. Now, while I love open space, I'm also thinking this is downtown mound. We only have 2% of our tax base from commercial retail. This is a prime piece of real estate property. And as much as I like parks and gardens, we have a huge park that we're developing just um east of this site. And is this the best and highest use of a downtown site? Also, if we were to sell this to you, are you willing to have something in perpetuity forever that it remains a park? Are we selling you, you know, you a park and then after a while your family decides, you know, 20, 30 years from now that they don't want to maintain the park that they can sell the property. So, you know, I think it's guaranteeing um long-term um life of the property. Funny you bring that up, Sherry. I just spent two hours with my estate planning attorney and those very things came up. How long can family members continue? And so, needless to say, I'm going to be ruling from the grave with that. But, as my attorney says, those things that we would discuss and get down, those would all be presented in the purchase agreement. Anything that would come up, we don't want this, we don't want that. If Paula sells the property, it could go to somebody else. Paulie could donate it back. The city could also do all this pretty stuff, too. But, um, I, um, I'm very comfortable with this idea and being a longtime Mound member here and, uh, you know how I feel about this town. I know how you feel about the town. I you know how I feel about the town and I want to make it for all of us and make it pretty and uh and I you know it's just one of those things. So back to my comment when you came out last time and you said hey are we open to development? Absolutely. Are we open to what development? Yeah. Yeah. And I said oh yeah absolutely. I didn't expect to have a park bench and some trees. Okay. I'll just be honest. Okay. Um, I think if that was our only option and that was what we were going to settle with, I think it'd be fine and it that corner would look a little bit better. But, and I know there's might be people here that want to talk about that. I've had some phone calls and Okay. people reach out. I have to. So, um, when you're done here, I'll let whoever wants to come up and talk, but um, and I know your neighbor has a a response in in our packet. Um I know he's looking at doing a deal with that as well. So I mean we got to look as a council what's the best use for that area and absolutely whether it's your deal or his or we hold out for some other thing down the road. I don't know. Yeah. But the city owns that property. So I think we got to make the the best decision. So absolutely that's what I'm here for just to present that. I still have my building. I still have my property and I'm not going anywhere. Yeah. Good. So um so the build my building will but you have the prettiness attached to it and maybe I'll put the landscaping in the back. So, am I getting a no, a yes? Should I file an application or do you think I'll be wasting my money? Personally, I I don't I wouldn't do it. I mean, really? No. If you again, when when you came last time, I was thinking more beautify your current building, maybe add on to the top or which I can do. Maybe you Yeah. And that is in the future. That is in the future. I can put a second story on that building. Uh my architect has drawn and they weren't in here because I didn't want to overwhelm the process here. But I actually have we have plans to extend my building to the north and we have plans to actually add another whole size of my building onto that building. So that's what I'm more interested in. And I have plans for that. Yeah. you if you don't want to do a park and a bench and some trees, I want to see that. I'm not personally I'm one out of five, but I'm not interested in just a park bench and creating another 34 parks that we do have. And some people like that. Yeah. Brick and the mortars, the stiffness, the hardness, and and um you know, I have a different take on it, but hey, that's why I'm here. I need to know before I spend $300,000 to to prepare something that gets turned down because ultimately it's not the planning commission. It's not the staff as we all know. It's the five of you that would make that decision. So if you're suggesting, Mr. Mayor, that I kind of tank my plans if that's what you're suggesting because we're not taking a vote tonight. All right. Um I again I'm one on five so you guys can talk too but well you're not supposed to vote tonight I guess. No opinion. You know you probably want to get a good consensus before you start give some feedback too. I mean if you're asking for feedback like yes or no. I mean I would just say that I wouldn't it needs to be like more conclusive than than this. I feel like I'm not really sure. Oh I know that. And I'll say we but I'm not speaking for anybody. This is just at our previous workshop like one of our priorities was economic development and like one of these lots in particular and residents want business a restaurant retail they want stuff there because we do have big park right there. So I mean I wouldn't say scrap it but like maybe not this something like more concrete. I don't know. Pardon the pun. who we just had the the rain barrel people here talking about all this stuff. Not literal concrete. Yeah. Well, that's what it is. But, you know, it was one of our priorities to have more developed unless our minds have changed. Is there a 10 foot set back still, Sarah, at that on Commerce Boulevard? Did we talk about that? Is is there a 10ft set back? And it's supposed to be plants and landscaping and all that. We'll pull it up in the downtown. Okay. Because it's because it's going to be difficult. you know, in that little strip of land there. Well, we had a deal that was ready to go and it just fell through at the end. I guess it was I don't know if it was a money thing or what? What was that? The three and four town homes plus the commercial. Oh, yeah. Two of those. Two of those. I'll give you a little heads up here. Since I've owned this property since July of 1996, I have talked to 29 people who say they're developers. They want the property. It has gone nowhere because So, do you ever think of like joining up with someone else? No. I'm a business person. I don't join I don't go with anybody. I call my own shots. Okay. Well, what if you did something your your project and looked at those other properties? Would you? So, you're not so old. So, what? So, you got that property if if let's just say you you took over parcel A. Say we sold that to you. Yep. And then you did some kind of bigger development on that whole corner. I mean, I think I'd be more open to that. So, that's a possibility. Again, a a park bench and some trees and a fence. I mean, again, it definitely looks better than the grass that's there, but for sure I don't I think we the city should hold out for a better kind of a real development project for that. So, what I would say too is, you know, that this is one thing that has really bothered me ever since I moved here is these lots that we have are all chopped up and weird and like this one. I mean, it's it's very difficult to use. Do you think you would have interest in parcel A as well? Originally, long term. Originally, that's what I talked to Eric Coverstein about. I had both of them on both sides. Yeah, we we would somehow split that so you would get a portion of that. But again, you know, that one's probably less valuable. Which one? Parcel A to us to hold on to, per se. Okay. Um just looking to the north. And again, I know because I've talked to other people that want to develop that. Again, you were part of that original plan or at least you like the original plan. Correct. Um and I and it's hard to get that out of my head and go, "Okay, we're just going to put that didn't go anywhere, Jason. And you know, maybe you know, he just did a deal tonight." Like I said, that was the other project. That was project number two, and that fell through, too. They didn't have the money. I I mean, it is what it is. But anyway, I'm trying to beautify downtown Mound and make it walkable, pedestrian friendly, and so forth like that. Um, if my neighbor, if he wants to develop his property along with anything back there in the back, he should go for it. I'm not responsible for his development. I he did call me and he saw your video uh when you came out last time and he said he wanted to be here tonight and he couldn't because he's out of town. So, he did submit a letter. anybody wants to see it, it's in the packet. Um, and I think he does want to come out and and talk to us about that, too. So, obviously, we'd want to hear that as well and see what he's looking at. So, okay. I'm open to that if there's another idea. Um, we have to do what's best for Mount and you five are responsible for that. Absolutely. Good or bad. But anyway, thank you very much. I think you'd still be really happy with this. I really do. And I think the people in mount would be happy. Okay. But the three parts of it, but thank you. Yes. Can I ask a question? So you're suggesting I don't even file an application. You think it'd be a waste of my money? I would not with that current proposal. No, I will vote no, but again, I'm one out of five. So Okay. Anybody else wants to say something? Well, I guess that was kind of like the same thing I was saying is like make it more conclusive, you know, before filing an application. So there's more for us to review. And what I would do, I have plenty of architectural plans. When I file the application, those documents would be included in it. I mean, this was kind of information only. This wasn't a uh formal presentation, but I know I have to do that. So, anyway, thank you for your time and I'm going to move forward. Oh, what? Um, your question, Miss Larson, minimum setback of 10, max of 20 from commerce. So, on commerce right there. So, you're going to have to go way move that building way back, which would allow for landscaping anyway. So, I think I'm right in the right there. So, it's 10 max 20. Did you say uh minimum 10 max of 20? Okay. Thank you. Minimum second story is an additional 8 ft back and then there's we have staggering requirements. Correct. So, like the bank is what 20 ft. Go above second story though. You can have two stories. You Yes, I can have two stories. But if you go above then it's another 18. Okay. So, two stories set back 10 feet. Correct. That's the minimum minimum minimum of 10 feet back because we're trying to encourage the landscaping and stuff. Okay. So, thank you. I I know I I got some people that have called me and said that they want to talk. I don't know if they're here tonight, but um do you want to hear some feedback on your project? I don't know if it's good or bad. Why would I I you know, Jason, here's the deal. Like I said, 29 people I've talked to, okay, in the past 30 years, okay, 29. I I'm not impressed by anybody else talking. I know that doesn't sound nice, but I'm going to keep my property. I'm not participating in any somebody else wants. They're responsible for their property. I'm responsible for mine. Okay. So, so in the in the end of the day again I would say I would come back with something different whether that's more Can I do that on the application? Can I do it on the application? I mean you can do whatever you want but I would I would probably bring it back to us first. You're saying come back with more before another before an application. I mean really right now it looks like you're you're just kind of fixing the shell, right? You're making the shell look nicer and then you're putting in some landscaping. and we're going to send sell sell you the property for that. If it's more of a development idea beyond just a landscaping thing, I I would come back to us first personally. Okay. I will think about that and I appreciate your time talking to me about this and I'll move forward. All right. So, thank you. Thanks. So, Jason, just out of curious, I have more comment and question, but this road, it's not designated here, so I don't know what it's called. Did we redo that road? Marian. So, it has been refurbished or whatever because it was really bad. It goes goes right into the old auditor's road. Yeah. New pavement, right? Yeah. I'm just concerned about our ice cream parlor being landlocked. And is this road really serving a purpose? Marian. Yeah. Marian's got to stay is stay in there and we have new water manes through there. Yeah. Marian stay. There's this not moving. I think that one of our challenges with this whole site is that there are they're irregular shaped properties and none of them work alone. Right. Correct. And so, you know, it's trying to figure out how to get the combination with different owners who have their own needs for their own type of development, but to get the maximum development and and and of community appeal for our town. And that's that's the hard thing with this whole block actually. I agree, Sherry. This is a mess. I mean, it's chopped up. It's hard to use. It's not feasible for anything at the way it stands today. No. All right. Again, I want to be respectful of people that came out. If anybody did come out, I don't know. But if you want to come up just real quick, just give us your opinion. If not, we'll move on to the next subject. Okay. But please just keep it real quick. Absolutely. Mayor, city council, thank you for allowing uh for providing the offer of invitation to offer comments. Oh, sorry. Give me your name and address. Tim Floin. 2350 Harbor Place. Okay. Thanks. Um, as some of you have already said, this parcel has great potential. It needs a development plan that adds e economic as well as long-term physical improvements to the community. Um, the proposal I don't think adds significant economic benefit and it also has a strong risk of deteriorating the physical appearance of downtown over time if not properly groomed and maintained. Um, I don't think that adding landscape, perennial gardens, a fence, and the like seems like a commitment to the future to, as this council person McKenna said, to make downtown proud. I think there's a potential risk of it being looking not that great over time. Yeah. Um the the last thing that I want to say, keep my comments brief. The area of this property has recently benefited from a new more modern look which is Artessa Mount Harbor as well as the revitalization of the adjacent city park, the Lost Lake Commons Park, which includes elements of all the improvements that were detailed in her proposal. Um, I encourage the council to continue the momentum of downtown revitalization of those two recent activities in the center of town and encourage and seek an investment that goes beyond installing landscaping, perennial gardens, and a decorative fence alongside a building That definitely needs a refresh. Thank you. All right. Thanks. Appreciate it. Thank you. Please give us your name and address. Timothy Nichols, 3752 Woodland Cove Parkway in Minatrista. Uh mayor, council members, and staff. Thank you. Um the civic-mindedness uh density within mound of the Artessa Mound Harbor development is well represented and they'll speak for themselves. And uh I think Tim did a nice job with the the key points that he brought up. I would just be here to articulate we started a great redevelopment of downtown with with many of your help. We we pulled something off that was phenomenal. That was over eight or 10 tries I know previous to us and it happened. And thank you and these people thank you. The addition of the neighborhood into Mounttown mound is is tremendous. I say step up, don't step down. Uh, but more specifically, and I I I value Mrs. Larson and her property rights, but I also will tell you that there's things that you as a council and you as a city have to live up to relative to the the um additional development of the property adjacent to us. The uh we didn't hook up overhead power lines into Mount Harbor, our Tessa Mount Harbor. We buried those at a tremendous cost. We're expecting as that site gets redeveloped, the city will be in tune to the putting placing the above ground utilities underground. We too will talk about the Maran Drive, Marian Road, whatever it's called. And yes, we were responsible for half of that road with new carbon gutter. The other half is yet to be installed at again a cost to the property owners whether it's a city or whether it's the private property owner that'll be shared and should be shared reasonably. We have had discussion I have had discussion with Colin uh Charleston and Colin has a nice plan. The question uh I I've been approached by many people as well and the question to me has been well we can do this big thing and and I say well probably not you know I think Mound needs a little bit of less than more and do it right and you you have the ability as a city owning that property to inspire the right thing to happen and I would just lean into the good faith and good work that so many of you have put into this city and to the work that you're doing to better the city to really focus on that goal. You got one chance to do it right. Uh I don't think you have to rush, but I think we need some clarity that yes, the utilities are going to be dealt with, the site is going to be cleaned up, and the right product for that site will be the next step. and and no offense to the previous applicant, but that's not the right product and that's not being proposed here. The the the town homes that were approved tonight, it's a good addition to the city, but not an addition for this site. Should we have a four-story building? Absolutely not. We're approved for two. Let's go with two. Let's go with some housing. Let's go with some mixed use. Let's think about landscaping. Let's let's look at this so it's a seamless development, not a herkyjerky one. respectfully. Thanks for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, if you want to give us your name and address. Yes. Uh, Kelly Glissby Cohen, 4400 Tuxedo Boulevard. Um, I have a quick narrative. I'm going to try to make it quick. Also, I a little bit of history. I don't think some of the members of the council know in regards to why I do not um support the previous applicant. Uh I feel that it's a critical crossroads here for especially this site. Um and it's an opportunity that's been decades in the making. The vision um to thoughtfully redevelop our downtown has been long at the forefront of the community planning. It's been a vision grounded in progress where both new and established businesses can grow, flourish, and invest in the future of the city. Over the years, Mount has invested significant energy, taxpayer dollars into laying the groundwork for this transformation. And that includes the environmental cleanup and revitalization, which now is kind of part of the Mount Harbor district for um and it was intentional, strategic, and strategic and communitydriven. So to see these efforts jeopardized by a park bench and some landscaping, I think would only be shortsighted and would not it would do a disservice to the community and to aversal of the progress that has been fought so hard to achieve. And I can speak for some of it from experience because I was part of a development group that acquired the former lower property initially. Um, we presented a mixeduse proposal that included four sale homes and a commercial corner anchor um, building that would have been owned by a very respected local business owner. The project concept was praised by city staff unanimously. Um, and city council at the time, including the the applicant. Um, so with the encouraged support, we invested tens of thousands of dollars into the to move the project forward. Shortly after we were approached saying, "Hey, the advocate would have been interested in selling." We said, "Okay, we'll have the conversation." Um, however, those negotiations quickly unraveled when the seller insisted on an exorbitant price, zero contingencies, including critical cit approvals, and an expedited closing. Why? so then they could recuse themselves from future votes and maintain the freedom to oppose the very project they initially supported without a conflict of interest. We walked away. We said we're not going to deal with unethical behavior. And that's so we walked. And I think as a result of her single-handedly losing that rear development opportunity, we would have brought three things the city was looking for. Diversified housing stock, new class A commercial space, and a stronger tax base. Um, I just think the request only squanders the city's strategic value and its disregard decades of planning and community investment. And if they really cared about returning the property to the tax role that's been lost for 20 years, as stated information, they wouldn't have disengaged so quickly the previous redevelopment or dismissed the interest from countless other developers. Um, and according to the city's 2040 comprehensive plan, I would just like to make these two quotes. Investment and redevelopment in downtown as well as along commerce and shoreline should be a key focus of discussion in the comprehensive plan and the redevelopment of downtown mound should assist with the development of additional employment opportunities. So, I just would hope that that's also a focus during these discussions going forward. Um, and that's all I have unless there's questions. No, thanks. Appreciate it. Thanks. Anybody else? Okay, come on up. Just give us your name and address. Derek Passi, 2350 Harbor Place. Uh, I live on that speedway and Marian Road is right outside me. Frankly, once people stop going straight through, realize auditors road that didn't go through. I saw Sam backing up there. ice houses. You bet. Uh, but the traffic on Marian Lane is really minor. Um, I really support the businesses in that area. Well, except the barber. I haven't been there. He does a really good job. He is a good guy. All three of my boys. U, but I had copies made today. I've had keys made there. U, the hardware store that was really busy when we're moving in and Yeah. We're probably going to lose a few residents at going across to the ice cream store. Um, I support one I support having serious landscaping along Commerce Boulevard. Uh, that makes sense. There's no direct access maximum 20 ft. You can get a lot of trees in 20 ft shrubs. Uh, we saw it on the town home proposal earlier. Uh, murals on the building. Well, let's get the building restored first. Make the building historic building. It's encouraging that she's looking to get a historic designation of the building. Uh get rid of the grass grass growth out of the roof and it is does have a slope roof, but it's sloping down. So, um, and as far as adding to the tax rules, add the parking for that building to the tax rules because it's on they're using it uh for the building. I'm not sure what the historic ramifications are there, but I look at it and I go, "Wow, they're parking and they don't have to pay a scent of taxes on it." Um, but it also means now I know who I go to for the erosion that came off that parking lot into our pond. So, thank you. Uh, and I appreciate your comments, Mr. Mayor, and I appreciate the direction seems to that you took. Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Anybody else? Last shot. All right. We're going to go to the next one. So number 10, we got council introduction uh review and discuss with Jim Ko of Angel M Consulting Group regarding the concept plan. We got Rita coming up. Hey, good evening again. Uh again this is a council introduction. So we are following the same procedure where we are trying to give an opportunity for a developer who is an interest in a particular project uh to have an opportunity to speak with you and any members of the public. Um these properties are at 66396627 and 6625 Bartlett Boulevard. Um some of you have been on council for a while and know that we've seen a variety of concepts over the years for this site. Um, one thing that I do want to point out that this one is different, um, is because this one did actually involve some additional property than we have seen in the past. So, I did want to flag that because in the past we've only seen the narrow property on the, uh, westernmost side of the city boundary and now they have actually entered into agreement um, with two more properties to the east. Uh, so the project is a little bit bigger on the mound side than we've seen in the past. Um, and so they can uh present the property uh proposal I mean to you this evening. All right, we got Jim. Thank you. If you give us your name and address, please. Dean Devolus, DJR Architecture, 333 North, Minneapolis, Minnesota. All right. And thank you for pulling up. I'm going to bring the legs since most of the crowd is a little bit. You're going to slide it. Yeah, just push it down. You turn them off. The white one. Just turn them off. Just push. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Evening effect here. Then this has a spotlight. Oh, it's a yellow one. Sorry. I'll give you give you time to practice. [Music] You might have to talk. They they have the concept in there. All right. I just blew that. So, my apologies. Thank you. I shouldn't have touched that. Anyway, sorry about that. So, this is a project that actually incorporates both Minatrista and Mount. So it's two adjoining properties and you have the uh uh show that's there and we've started the process in minister we're going before the planning commission for preliminary plant on April 28th. So I just want to make uh council and the audience aware that obviously you're all welcome to attend. And so we're here under what you call an introduction but I've pulled in pieces of our plary plat presentation. So the city council and members get a picture of the whole uh project and so forth of the elements of it. So that's going to be sort of the key part of it. What we're hoping is that hopefully the two approval projects align if we find the project. Which one do I touch with the yellow? Yellow. Don't touch anything. And do can this advance or not? No, I'll let you do it. Okay. And we would go this, aren't I? Yeah, let me get that. All right, perfect. So, so here is the whole parcel. This piece right here, right through here is mound. Mhm. And then the remainder here is binatrista. And the combination of a high level here, this is a three-story 24 unit condominium building here. Threetory 12 unit condominium building. three-story 9-unit condominium building. These are twostory town houses as you see here, eight units of ministr and then one two single family lots and a community center boat house that's going to be enjoyed by the whole development. There is single family houses here, 12 right here and then three other single family houses in this area. So that consists of the whole development. The idea of the ponding, you can sort of see the ponding work through here. So, we're trying to do it in tears, intercept water here, and then obviously through these residential lots. We are not building, and I'll show you this. Um, we're not going to build in any of the slopes at all. That's we're going to emphasize other trees to try to capture the water and each tray, so to speak. So, really minimize water that runs towards the lake. So, basically, think of these platforms as each capturing water. So, we're leaving the existing grade site intact and we're going to preserve the hill that sits here on the ministr side. I also relieve the hills in here intact, eliminate the driveways that come off of 110. So, that helps eliminate and sort of slows the erosion because these driveways that ran down are sort of working like gutters that are bringing lakes. The idea is that we cut that off and ready to clean up. We're offering a variety of housing types from town houses that kind of mean living to single family homes to serve the nature of the development. Next slide please. So I'm just showing you this as a civil plan again just to show you the idea of what's within mound and again what's in miniatura. Next slide. And this shows that we're really working on minimizing imperous service. So you could see that we really in all these areas means these are pvious pavers with the idea of really keeping hardcape at a minimum with the development and we're going to emphasize natural ground cover as opposed to manicure lands because that has a higher permeability. So that's good because the site is pretty much intact in terms of trees and ground cover. So we're going to emphasize try to keep that intact as much as possible. So again, you can see the portion which is eight town houses here, the two single families and the boat house that's within the mound area. Next slide. And again, I just showing the grading because they sort of emphasize that this is what we're going to stay out of to and obviously keep this hill intact and place. And that's why the buildings you see located here and why the townhouse is built on top of the bluff so that these grades in this area in here are preserved intact. Then that becomes a primary and that the flat areas you see the various retentions being worked in become the area to receive the storm water area to put the major buildings on. Single family houses have a little more flexibility but larger buildings of want to really keep and serve the areas that are less forested and flat within the site. Next slide. And again, this is our tree replacement. And some of this is old. So these some of the we've lost some of the trees in our system. But the idea is that and the same will occur in mound. We want to emphasize all the trees on the hillside. So we start creating outdoor living rooms within these areas and start creating zones within the property for screening scale and elements like that. Next slide. And again, this is just sort of architectural ideas of what we're trying to achieve with the buildings. This is example at the condominiums. And you'll see more detailed drawings of the level and type of design. We're emphasizing that. Next slide. This is the town houses. And this is sort of what we're working with in terms of architectural style. And then you can see the information scale of them on the sheets. Next slide. And again, single family the architecture we're trying to achieve within that package. Next slide. And again, the doc house gazebo, which is a community building that'll be down by the lake. So, everyone has a piece of lake but through this uh one building here. Next slide. And again, this is starts describes the plans of the town houses and the idea how they work. Next slide. And this is the architecturalation of decks. They're two-story elements garage. So the idea is that there's a series of open area decks that face the lake garages and then in and out patterned so they have a nice scale and rhythm to them. Next slide. And the boat house. This is the element again. This is in mount would be down by the lake which would be a common community building you see right here uh that the residents could have joined. So the idea is that everyone has a chance to go by the lake and join it. So we left that part basically open to the public of the community and so everyone has a private lot but they have this common area and the beach right here that they could enjoy. Next slide. And again these are showing some of the single family house starting to develop first house. Next slide. And this starting to get an idea of sort of the architecture nature of the house and sort of the scaling that I sort of showed before. Uh a lot of gables elements in and out. So they scale nicely. Next slide. And again this is quickly just development of the economy and this is a 24 unit building. Next slide. Uh we have a two per space indoor parking. Next slide. And again the various unit layouts every unit having lake views. Next slide. And again the 12unit building you see right here. And again variety of materials of stone uh wood and uh dark metal siding sort of to give it a scale and element but using again natural materials within the building. Next slide and again parking. Next slide. And the basic plan again all lake views and again the idea all the density is put at the top of the hill so that the lake area it scales from a g 110 threetory then it's two story and one story single family housing. So the density is against high travel road and it tapers from there. Next slide and again view of the building the architecture of it nine-unit building. So again we broke it into three packages. Next please. And again parking that's below. So the majority of our parking is below grade out of sight out of mind within which is the only parking that's visible within developments the guest parking. Next slide. And again the unit layouts on that. next or is that the end? Uh, that's it. That's it. So, I kept it brief and sweet on the process on it. And why don't you go back to site plan because that's probably what's going to be referenced. So, the ideas that we're really trying to strive for is create a development that's integral, provides a variety of housing, protects the lake shore, uh, preserves the trees as much as possible, intercepts the um, water, storm water, and so forth. and really creates a a host of housing variety. And then again, like you say, the far right side is what's within the mound jurisdiction. So really what we're looking at officially is uh eight town homes, two single family houses, and then the one community building. So I'll stop there. Thank you. Does council have any questions? Yeah. Well, I 100% appreciate that you listened to us last time because we didn't want to be the Minatrista stepchild. Okay. And you know, you really amped up the mound side and it looks just beautiful. Oh, thank you. The whole the whole thing looks just great. And I love the addition of the dock house. So, will people be able to keep, you know, like uh anything there or is it more of just a gathering place? It's a gathering place. So, we may underneath it they if they want to keep their toys. So, if I set it up so that below it, I don't know if you guys been to Naples, Florida, areas in Florida where they store underneath the various uh dockouses. Same concept here is the idea is that they can store beneath this. So, if they have toys and boogie board, stuff like that, this provides that opportunity. And it'll be screened, so you won't see all the stuff laying around, but it'll be under here. So, the answer is yes. Will residents um have to pay a little fee to like reserve a little space down there to Well, it'll be an association. You know, each of these you look at association, they'll sweep part of it. So, it'll depending how they want to parcel out and work through that. We did a beautiful job. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for amping up Mount. It is beautiful. I really like the plan. Um, I'm just curious on the dock house though. Is that the association for the town homes or the condominiums and the town homes or all of the This whole area has this access. I'm just thinking about long-term maintenance and but it's within the association. So, we'll have that. So, it's part of Okay, great. Exactly. Should be just for the people. Even better. Yeah, just for mount. Yeah. Thanks. Sorry, I went over here out of luck. Awesome. How much were the Uh I know the single family homes were one and 1.2 million I think. What were the town homes again? Town houses will be in the similar uh price bracket and again it varies because they I have sort of two styles. Um one's a twotory and the other's a version of a deck. So there's variety in that. Yeah. So there'll be differences what people choose and work with. Looks awesome. Sorry that was a Yeah. Sorry. Um uh could you just talk a little bit about the timing and the staging uh how the development's going to work and also about the utilities for each of the cities? Yes. So this is sort of important this is as hoped could be worked out. We have submitted formally for um preliminary platin. We had a community meeting at the gypsy center. uh 50 people attended was generally well re it was well received as I say normally these these committee meetings get chewed up on this is not the case uh they're very happy with sort of the results in the nature of this coming so we've submitted and we're on the uh 28th uh before the planning commission of April in Minatrista what I was hoping uh assuming that council likes the direction seeing is there's a possibility get these schedules aligned because part of the issue is that we're taking away you know the driveways through here which was for Palm Bank's erosion using H Hallstead to service these houses area and I see utility line you know sort of comes right bas I think across here so we'd like to get the city schedules combined so that construction utility work can all happen simultaneously as uh peacemeal on this project So that'd be good because we'd like to treat this as a whole uh project and obviously combine and coordinate you know storm water utilities and all those as opposed to try to do a little piece here and a little piece there. So getting coordination of schedule would actually quite helpful on getting this tied together as one unified development even though it you know overlays into two municipalities. Does that help answer your question? Utilities. Who's Yeah. Utilities. Where are the utilities coming from for the Tristic side and for the right now? There's a main line that comes right through here and we have to work with both cities to coordinate the utility systems of where they're coming from and the support. But one thing comment in the community meeting was like, you know, said, "Well, our water's awful." I said, "What about Mond water?" "Well, that's awful, too." Some great. So, we're going to have to work with city staff and engineering to really help coordinate and start pulling those pieces together uh on it as we work through it. Um for the for the dock house. I see the little one little line there of a dock per se, but then I see some other stuff there around it. Is there actual docks or is that just No, there'll be there'll be a couple uh docks. I mean, how many are we allowed? Basically, it's a 100 foot dock for four slips. four slips dock. Okay. So, there's a boat club that we're working with where residents can order a pontoon. Okay. It's part of the regular boat club. Okay. So, four docks. Four docks. And that's what's approved for that size of lot because that's I mean, if you don't have that, you don't have I mean, that's the mountain side. Yeah. That's a big deal for your development. Exactly. Yeah. Um but no one can park overnight. So, no. Technically, no one's going to own a boat in this way. Technically, guest lot, but that not overnight parking, correct? Yeah. As as uh Jim mentioned, day docks be the key word for this. Yeah. And you said the town homes you're looking around a million. Yeah. A piece. Okay. So, there they all have lake views. Um a nice set of the decks, you know, being on top of the bluff there. It's actually a nice setting. And then like you say, we left all this open where the steep slope is and then we didn't do anymore till we got to the base of the hill. So we try to stay on top in the flat areas and leaving the hillsides uh intact even though these were not original. You know, this was carved out when this was a trailer park. Yeah, we're leaving that. The other thing we're doing is try to limit this to two curb cuts off 110 say Hallstead here and one here because historically there was four or five in here to try to ease the traffic issues that there's only two points which will make it a little bit safer on the county road as part of the development. So the two single homes will access that road and then down. Yeah. So townhouse is here and then the remainder of the development here which is already the existing Hallstead Avenue. So, is that a private road or a city road? This is a city road. That is, but over here, this is a private road. That'll be private. Okay. Yeah. Do you have um lots of ample parking on the miniatures side for the town houses? Yes. I I don't see any Oh, there's you know guest parking for the for the mound side, but is that road going to be wide enough for you know they once I get into detail I'll make sure there's you know two spaces per unit plus additional guest parking is part of it. Yeah. So absolutely because we want to make sure cars stay within their realms here and here so that it all essentially self-contained. Thank you. Is there going to be a way to get from like the town homes on the top down to the dock to walk? It's not shown here on here. There's going to be a set of stairs that connect down to here. Okay. And what I call pvious trails that tie across this. Yeah. So, pedestrian wise, people can walk down Yeah. from here. Obviously, the car they got to cook around like this, but wise it will be connected. For a golf cart, I was going to say golf cart maybe. The golf cart here will be a little tricky. steep, isn't it? I think a little too steep. I'd have I'd have a zigzag ramp going back and forth if I try to make that work, unfortunately. And then I did see that you guys are already like clearing out the woods over there. They were actually clearing just there was some work on the dead trees, but no, nothing's being taken out. There was some diseased trees that was taken down as far. That's great. I drove by the other day. I was like, "Wow." Yeah. So try to because we need to do a tree survey tree comp. We want to actually count living trees. Living ones. Yeah. Cool. Um Sarah, uh just a couple things. Uh as as we talked about in our memo, we have not done land use analysis of this because that comes afterwards. But um for those that may have been around a couple years ago, the serenity project um we had several levels of approvals including we did a resoning. I think we did a amendment. Um and that that project at that time had 10 units um in one building on the mound side. Y um it's important that everybody understand that in addition to the to the subdivision, we'll have to determine if in fact the comp plan is adequate or if in fact we may need to amend it because we have added the 6625 and the 6627 into this parcel and and that was not part of any land use approval last time. Uh, this property is zoned R3, I think, and and zoned R3 in medium density um residential and it had 10 it had 10 units within one box at the time and we have 10 eight and two eight town houses, two single family, but and but the the properties have gotten bigger, correct? Just I mean those are things that we have to kind of work through. Um, you know, obviously we want to facilitate a schedule as well, but we have we'll have to figure out what we anticipate we need. You know, was it a resoning? Is it an amendment to the comp plan? Is it a flat? We know it's also a shoreline PV. Y and we are, you know, with this we've achieved a 25% uh pvious cover. So, we're working within the shoreline. So, that on on the mound side on both sides, correct? So Sarah, if I'm hearing you right, you're saying we need a four fifth vote. You I think the biggest part that we wanted was the timing aspect of if a comp plan amendment is needed, it will take more time than a traditional approval. But if we redo our comp plan, we got to have four fifths vote, right? Four fifths is if you I think it's if you change Well, I don't know. I didn't think you did for our comp because this isn't going to fit our comp plan then. What? This is over our crown plan. We don't know yet because when we did this project in 16, it was only the 6639 parcel. It was not involving the the adjacent neighbor parcel. No. Yes. So, so the good news is because we've added it's actually well less dense. So, hopefully we have a minimum density you have to meet. So, the question is with the same number of units and a bigger parcel size you've just dropped. Oh, that do we fall below your comp plan requirements? One is medium and one is low. The other ones are probably in low density residential and the other medium. And now we've so we've kind of made it a a thing that we will need to address. They could always pack in more units just with looking because we have not spent any time. Yeah, but that's important because if we do have to change it, we do more. It's another cycle. Well, that but then plus a lot of us got to agree, right? I think a complaint amendment is a majority vote. I think so too by the way. Super majority. When we updated ours, we didn't the supermajority is a resing. If you do a reszoning to a resource that's a four like there are some things that are four fifths, but I don't believe that. So this this you don't think this part will be a four fifths, but it would be a it would be a planning commission public hearing and it's going to have some sort of distribution for agencies. It might be an administrative. It might be a 60-day all of which we would need to wrap into the timing th those are things that we need that get figured out with the applications. I think because it's on the border of Minotaura it's unlikely to be something that you can just do in house without a lot of distribution to other communities because there is rules that say if you're so far away from another community. So the only reason we brought it up is there are things that will need to be investigated. It hasn't been done yet because we're not that at that part of the process. But we want people to be aware that that may be something that we'll have to deal with if that is the case. And we try to run those as as much as we can concurrently. Thank you. Um but some like for example in the event that we need to amend the comp plan the that has to be a conditional approval until that gets approved by the council before the our council could do a final decision. And I think that's probably similar to what we did during the serenity process in 16. It's just it it's a little bit bigger now. So there's other technical things that just have to be figured out. No, I appreciate it. Thank you. Because we're ready to get to work with you guys and start sorting this through. So thank you. Assuming the council's happy with what they're seeing. Here's the quickest research I've ever done in my life. Um, and we and so don't take it to the bank. But I'm looking at the League of Minnesota City's material on comprehensive plan and it's citing Minnesota statutes 462.355. And it says unless otherwise provided in the city charter, which we don't have. The city council may by resolution and by twothirds vote of all its members adopt and amend the comp plan or a portion of the plan. That means that on a five member council, the comprehensive plan must receive at least four affirmative votes. Mhm. Remember, we just did this last year. Very good. Yeah. Know something. They won't charge you a quarter hour for that. My point with that is if that's correct is that, you know, we all got to kind of be on board with the concept. And then, of course, obviously, you got to go through planning, but you know, you kind of need four of us. So, well, residents around there would need to be notified. Yeah. What type of timeline are you? I mean, I'm concerned about us being in the timeline with Minotrista because obviously this is a big issue for the developer to do all the things he needs to do. And if we're looking at a tight timeline, how quick can we turn that around? When are you looking at that building? If obviously, you know, Matrusa, we'd start construction come this summer. though with it because we've had good interest in the project and Minusa was very supportive of it uh from the public meeting we did and general direction of it. So we it sounds like from the few council you know council you sound positive too about this uh development. So obviously like to get this uh going and like still work with staff and if there's meetings special planning commission meetings or we'll we'll accommodate your schedule to make this work. You say April 28th you're going for for planning commission minister for preliminary plant. Okay. Okay. It's always the first. Mhm. So not summer important thing for us to figure out. Okay. All right. If we need to add a unit, we'll sneak one in. We did have some preliminary conversations with the cook about timing. You know, if if applications come in, you know, the first thing is we have to get the material and we have to have the signatures and we have to have complete information so that we can send it out for determination of completeness so that we have an application complete information so once we get all the comments back that we can notice for the public hearing and to try and keep them on schedule. One one thing that we talked about is um say for example it comes in tomorrow. The earliest we could get them done for completeness would be probably that last week of April. And we then we have to publish right public hearing notice 10 days and we have to do mailed. We would not be able to hit the first meeting in May. But the planning commission uh does have uh the opportunity if they're willing and we can accommodate schedule they would do a special meeting upon request. And sometimes those are normally held at their third their third Tuesday. Of course, that's that's assuming that we get the applications in and we get things deemed to be completed. We all figure out what we need to do. No. And we have, you know, we could submit stuff very rapidly because we obviously have the full application before Ministrista. So, which you could probably turn over to you. You know, a few things were to help at least expedite the project, right? Long as we have, we need complete information. We need full grading, engineering, water and sewer, storm water, architectural, flat, all of that has to be a standard application. That we do have for the ministers. We've completed that. Obviously, we did the same for the others. So, the only thing that's I'm still completing is tree survey, you know, fails like that. But the majority of all you've listed, we have done on that. So, we'll work with you to get the information, then you can review it and make sure it's uh complete to help with the process. No, thank you. All right. Does council have any other questions? No, they look awesome. Okay. Well, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. Looks great. Uh even the better than the last one. So, good. Well, thank you for your voice of support. Appreciate it very much. We'll see what you do planning and then I'm going to open it up. I don't know if anybody here wants to say anything quick, but um if Yeah, come come on up. Yeah. Very briefly. Yeah. Give us your name. 6627625. Um the neighbor Bartlett Boulevard. The neighbor. My wife as well, Cammy. Um I I would raise a point about the density issue. Um so that the area with the blue condominiums is very isolated. It's from the rest of the development. And it's actually probably a mistake to make that higher density at the time because it's so disconnected with everything else. And I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. It's just that's how land use works at the time, but it is it it's extremely difficult to make it that density because it's not connected with sidewalks, etc., etc. So, um hopefully there could be a balance and I don't know if you can do this between the communities and density because the interest is a little denser and I don't know if you can share density like that, but probably not. So, there you go. Um but um Cammy and I plan to we were up here before and I remember the comments and it was 10 units on just part of that and it was stacked in there and it was Mount Hookie. That was the comment and at the time I said we're going to stay here long term and Cammy and I still are. We're going to um we're going to be building in the gray house there on that property. So we plan on staying there. Um we've been there seven years. We bought it when um when Serenity or whatever it was called that was going to tower above our house. So, we knew that this is there's been a couple other iterations since then. This by far is a premier development. So, I'm I'm glad that you all have seen it um the way I see it and uh we're excited about it. Um this also gives us an opportunity. We bought part of our lake shore, 50 ft of it from the county. It was a tax forfeiture parcel um about three years ago, four years ago that had a conservation. He's been on it for 20 years. So, we brought that back into the tax role. Um we're going to continue to do better on that. The lake shore is in extremely bad shape. So, this gives us an opportunity to fix the lake shore. Um Mr. Dvalis talked about uh the trench uh the driveway. Um I have to repair that driveway a couple times annually. it it erodess about one foot to two feet and where all that material goes it goes in the lake. So it's an extreme erosion issue. So this gives us an opportunity to work with the developer um not only on that issue um to divert some storm water west um but also to u when we combine the developments to really uh fix some issues between the common property lines with old retaining walls that um actually right now supports I got two houses on the property um supports part of the house so we're going to demolish the smaller house down by the lake um that will be gone And uh that's about I don't know it's probably 20 ft off 25 ft off the lake. So we're going to be moving our house back to to um you know environmental stewards um on every regard. So appreciate the development and I'll make it short and keep it at that. We're going to be living beside the boat house so we understand the nuances with that as well. We won't be we're not uh we won't be part of the homeowner association either. So just as an FYI. So um we're excited about it. So thank you. All right. Thank you for coming. Thank you. Any other comments? Can you come up and give us your name and address? Yeah, my name is Phil Tosso. Address is 6641 Halstead Avenue. So, um, sorry, I think you guys can hear me out loud voice. Yeah. Uh, this specifically is my place. That's my garage. That's my house. And so I thought, do you want to come back to the We can't hear you over here. And it hits me for video. You're on video. freaks out. Oh, all right. Um, so that's my house is right next door to the boat house. And so I know we were going through some of the slides and I was uh I was more concerned about the screening between that house or the boat house and my house. So, you know, out my kitchen window, we're not 10 ft away from 18 families screaming and yelling, you know. So, is there some sort of tree coverage or larger fence area that we plan on putting there? That would be question one. Yes. And and by the way, thank you for doing all thanks. So the answer is um here just one address us and then we'll have him come up after. Okay. Just give us the rest of your questions. And then my second question was I know we're uh when you the last three houses that are part of mound going leading up to my home is all gravel and prior to that in Minitrista it's all concrete. Right. So, are we replacing roads at this time when we have to do all the city stuff um to like more paved roads and looks nice? And if yes, that's great. And my question would be after that is are we going to be assessed 10 $15,000 for that or is this going to be included in the the offer? Okay. Thanks. So, we'll we'll have him come. So on the and so I'm glad you brought it because what we're going to do depend that we're telling it push the boat house as far to the north as possible to get away from your property. So essentially get it to make sure I don't blow this thing up again. Get it tight to this side to allow uh trees to be put in here. Uh probably right species like that to give you some screening. Uh in terms of road improvement, we're working through that. Obviously the area, you know, this will be improved to create this turnaround that area, but you actually sit in Minatrista, right? Nope. Are you mount? So mount comes like that. Three houses. Okay. So this comes over. It cuts across. So yes, we'll be working with city staff to see how that gets addressed. I can't say about how they'll deal with uh assessments. I'm not knowledgeable enough to answer that question, but obviously if we need to improve roads, that'll be part of this development. All right. Thank you, Rita. Can Sorry. No, it's fine. Or Sarah, can you tell us about when we approve that area, do we have to pave it or do they have to pave it? Does anybody know? Just having that conversation. Okay. We don't know the answer yet. Well, it it's been an aspect for those that have been in past concept plans that has been a discussion um that whether or not how that if that gets paid and what the requirements are. So, I think that hasn't been decided because we haven't gotten to the next step, okay, of a project to have a full conversation, especially now that they're providing driveways to the blue and the gray single family homes. Um on the I think it would need to be upgraded. So that is something we need to discuss how that looks and works. It'll be pretty rinky dink to have the whole thing beautiful and then the little once again mountain a little road that's all you know dinged up couldn't All right. Any otherbody that wants to come up? All right. Uh bring it back to council. Any other comments or anything else? I think everything that I was going to ask about got covered. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, we're pretty comfortable. So, proceed. Good luck. Yeah. You still got to go through plan. Yeah. Good luck with that. But thank you. All right. So, all right. Number 11. Thanks everyone. Give me a second. I got to get it up here. Oh, you got it. Uh, number 11, Lake Minnotonka area, mayor. Thank you. Looks lovely. Um, I just wanted to cop to No. Well, do you want to stay in just a Yeah, come back in. Um, wait for the door to shut. So the the whole Lake Mitaka area mayors, if do you want to go down on the next page? You can see all the names on there. You know, Shorewood, Mitaka, BHD Pavement, Minita Spring Park, St. Bonnie Woodland. I think there's might be a few on the other side, but um bottom line, we all signed that were against uh basically it's like the new missing metal bill or whatever, which takes control of exactly what we just saw here, the three things that we did tonight would take that away from us more or less and put it to the state. So we we basically said don't do that. um we met with the senator um you know all together and you know told her that as well as we've we've talked to her before when we went down to the capital um the only thing I've heard on that is I guess it it got out of committee but from I just talked to Representative Myers the other day and he said no that's just a dead bill that's just dead so he said it's got bipartisan support but he says he doesn't think it'll finish or passport to be dead to get out of the committee but he thinks Once it gets to real life and they got a vote on it, he doesn't think it's going to go anywhere. So, well, this letter is so well written. I don't know who generated it. Did you or did one of the other mayors? Greenwood mayor and staff. Oh, wow. It's really great. Yeah. And again, we do have her support. She's on, you know, supposedly, but we'll we'll see. Hopefully she, you know, continues with that support and, you know, if this goes farther than we want it to go. So, I don't know how how she could vote for this if we're all against it. Everyone, that's all your cities. I don't know why you'd vote for it. Yeah. So, anyway, if anybody else wants to reach out to our senator, um, you can. It's there's your email on the top there. Thank you. Um, or send the same letter. I mean, this is I just wanted to show you show, you know, the public what what we're doing behind the scenes. So, um it's just good to, you know, to let you guys know that, hey, on be on behalf of all these different mayors that we're we're lobbying her to say do not vote for this. This was great to see. Thank you. Yeah. Um Yeah. So, unless there's any questions on that, that's it. All right. Um well done. And then do you want to talk after or Okay. All right. So number uh 12 we got uh council reports. So council member Pew, do you have anything? No, not much. Um last weekend, um Gillespie had a series of events, spaghetti dinner, bingo, and a band and everything. I didn't attend any of it, but they had a resounding successful fundraising event. Um, well over a thousand dollar, you know, it was successful and so that's good. They're continuing to to be um healthier financially and um and a much more thriving center. I think there are more people going. They're starting to serve breakfast on Thursday mornings now. So, in addition to lunch on Wednesday, there'll be Thursday breakfast. And it's it's a menu, so you get to select on the breakfast. That's about it. I was there. Yeah. At the meet at the the live event. I didn't eat dinner there, but I did see the the band. Yeah. Yeah. I know Pastor Jeremy and he was uh it was very good. They did a Bob Dylan and then they did a kind of a everybody likes music set. So that was cool. Um and I I did talk to was it Rhonda? Oh yeah. Um, and she, you know, obviously she was there run, you know, the director, she's really done an excellent, she's done a great job. And I mean that plus the new church, you know, they got they got a monthly, they got a a year contract, so that's which makes a big difference for them. Yeah. Cool. Uh, Council Member Mciny. Uh, I agree with Sharing. I went to the breakfast on Thursday and um they're going to be doing that all through April to find out what kind of success and attendance they have. Then they'll decide if they're going to do it going forward into the summer. So, they're doing a fantastic job. Uh and that's I don't have anything. Okay. Uh Council Member Costalano, I don't have anything. Okay. Council member Heric, I don't have anything on. All right. And then um I just want to say thank you for covering me. I didn't watch it. It was a quick meeting. You did a heck of a job. 45 minutes. Good. Thanks. There you go. Try. Um I am going to be out uh the 1 of May. The first one of May and the first one is June. Unfortunately, I have a work thing I can't get out of. And then uh kind of an annual trip I go on in June. So anyway, you're stuck with him. We'll make it shorter. Yeah, you might have some things to talk about. You never know. Uh but just so people know that. And then uh tomorrow night, uh at the library, uh Senator and Johnson Stewart, who we just talked about, is doing a bonding seminar, uh kind of, you know, learning about bonding and how it works and which is kind of obviously important with what's going on right now. Uh it's at 6:30. Um, so if anybody wants to stop by there. And then um I just toured just before the meeting here. Jesse walked me through the whole city hall again and you know just our city right over here. Um you know kind of the whole point of like we own this building, why we're spinning our wheels, right? Getting back to like that whole conversation. Um, we went through every literally every closet, every um open space, the jail downstairs. Um, I mean the the police actually there's one guy there was actually a guy in there doing some work uh writing some notes or whatever, but I mean it's a huge area. I mean we got a lot lot of extra space there. Then I went upstairs um to kind of the you know the conference room, the open area room and I counted you know we had chairs and we have tables right now but you know they're actually spread out more than this and was it 60 chairs? Yeah, they're about 60 chairs and I think that's not Broadway capacity. I think it's probably more than that. If you go up there and you stand in the back corner I mean it's def it's big. It feels bigger than this. Maybe I'm wrong but it definitely feels bigger than this. Now yes we'd have to recreate a stage. We'd have to do some audio visual, which we want to do anyway. Maggie's holding off on buying a huge TV that I want her to do. Um, we should just take all this. We could literally just Well, maybe because you know, a level of professionalism is important. Yeah, I think you got to do that. When I joke about conference tables, I'm kind of joking about it, but I know you are, but I always leave going, you know, is he serious? With our with our monikers and everything, I think at least we have going for us. We have a level of professionalism at our council meetings. Um planning. Yeah. Yeah. And and you know we would you know all we don't overlap here either. So we would you know have you know planning on whatever night and we're on whatever night and parks and um there's an elevator, there's stairs, there's bathrooms, lots of bathrooms. There's two right outside the door but there's other ones. Um, parking obviously is one issue um that we could we'd have to, you know, figure out or work through. But, um, again, even if we gave, you know, a little bit more room for for this building, right? We'd have to maybe take a little bit of that for parking and the people would have to walk up around the corner. Um, anyway, I just think that personally I think we should keep continuing the conversation of do we want to keep looking into this or just kill it and so I can get it out of my brain. But, you know, again, we're in this building that doesn't produce anything. I mean, it's just it we just have it because we we just never got rid of it. And, you know, the capacity for down the road, right? You wouldn't believe how much open area we have in there. Um, even the mail room. We went through the mail room today and if you guys have been there, you know that big middle with a bunch of mail. It's literally dusty. It's never been It's not been moved in years. And we're looking at, oh, there's annual report from 1986. It's just sitting there, you know. Um, it's a monumental task to like figure out, do we need all these things? We just put them in a, you know, a file cabinet somewhere, you know, whatever we've got to do. Sell that big machine maybe. Um, we could make two offices in that one room alone and put our mail somewhere else. So, I'm just saying there's room for growth that the staff grows. I'd love to just walk over there as a council before a meeting and if you guys, you know, if you want to do it yourself, go ahead. But if like, you know, meet over there a half hour before the next council meeting and just go, let's just see what I'm seeing. And maybe I'm wrong, but Well, I appreciate that. I want to hear from the staff. If if there was growth within your your staff, do you feel comfortable that there would be enough room to have everybody in an office? Well, I will be as always as political as possible, but we serve at the pleasure of the city council and if that's the way the city council ends up going for, you know, the benefit of the city, this I I think I'll speak for Sarah brief on this. the staff has made do for the last while and that's what we'll do. Um, but I would only just say that as long as the council, if that's the route we go, is willing to, you know, get creative and uh, you know, if we're going to use that space, we're going to have it'll have to be different. Like, I mean, you're going to have to spend some money on some sheetrock and get a construction guy in there, get a bid and figure it out. But you have plenty of room. You we talked about that. I don't get windows in your office. I mean, that's the that's where the but it's like everybody has a window and then there's Sarah. It's like you're in a little pantry closet. I'm a cat. I'm just fine in there. But but yes, I I I think it's a very large building that that was built for a very specific purpose in the early 2000s. And if it and it if it's going to be repurposed. Yeah. As long as we can, you know, think creatively and and thoughtfully, I think there's room to that to make it do. Okay. She wants to say something. Well, you know, I went on the tour about a month ago by yourself. You got to come with me. Well, no. I I went with staff. Okay. Okay. And I wanted to go as the full council, but y'all said, "Oh, no. Everyone do do their own thing." So, I went and did my own thing. Um, and I think what we have to realize is storage. There's a lot of stuff stored in this building that you can't government documents that you can't get rid of for so many years. And so there's some hidden space needs that um and when you look when I went through yes there the staff was all housed and there were a few spots but there weren't there wasn't really a lot of space for growth in terms of as it currently is with the mail room being a waste of space and with one room you'd have to think outside the box and say what can we do what can a construction company come in and well I I've built you I built housing for years. You'll know that I understand space in construction, but there's plenty of room. And again, I think we've only ever reduced staff. We've never even really added staff. Well, we reduce staff because of our budget issue. That doesn't mean that we probably could use more staff. And I'm saying if we added I mean this three to 10, I think we have plenty of space for them if we reimagine how we're going to do I just think that we have to really do a a very comprehensive study because to get rid of something then you've got you you're not going to be able to replace it. Yeah. Once you get rid of it and so that that's the issue towards the future. Um you know and maybe in the future you don't need as much like like I wanted to buy timberland. My son said paper's out out the door mom don't buy timberland you know. Oh. So, well, he says it is, you know, and he's in the printing business even. Um, but, you know, um, we have to um really be comprehensive. I think we we want to get all the facts and you went through and I went through and we both had different reactions. So, we really need someone to really outline all of this so that we're really looking at the full picture. You know, let's have all the the information before we start doing the dreaming. So what would you want to move this forward to the next discussion item? You know, the next time we talk about this, what would make you happy? Well, I think one is the space analysis of the the other building in terms of how much available space is there really. Okay. And remember, we're sharing it with the fire department and we're going into the joint powers. I'm not even talking about the fire department. Don't get me started on that. There's plenty more room over there. Well, I don't know. They seem to be pretty tight. They're not tight. There's no But um but then I think we have to look at this building and we say that we're not using this building, we the city, but we are providing space for other government entities. And so if we take away the space for them, where are they going? Do we lose having them in mound? Is there a benefit of having them in mound versus then moving to Excel or Taka Bay? So, I mean, I think those are the things that Yeah. Yeah. I don't think the city of M should be in the business of renting out their other spots just because we have a spot to rent out. And again, we just kind of held on to this because we never did anything different. So, um I I don't know. I mean, we have a what $30 million problem that we need water for. If if we could spend a little bit of money here fixing that up to make this better, right? Push this over there. take all of our files in the basement, put in the basement over there. There's a lot of room out there. Just This is the tour. Aren't we also Aren't we digitizing a lot of our files anyway? Kevin's working on that. Yeah, Kevin. I swear. I thought Kevin was working on it. So, Kevin's got an office, but he also sits up front, right? Right. So, yeah. Yeah, there's But, you know, you can't digitize. I mean, he's got other things to do. So, that that's the other problem, too. If we really want to take that on and maybe have some someone come in that knows what they're doing and hey digit that's all you do and get you you've seen the all the files that may No, I've done a project like that so I know. Yeah, but the record retention is how long for the city? Yeah. There's a record retention schedule and it's different for different documents. All the different documents. Okay. So yeah, but I mean we can digitize them. We got the whole police station basically downstairs which is about half of this room. There's a kennel down there and everything else. We got kennels. We got We got actually the jail cell which does not use anymore. We don't book people there anymore. Again, I'm on the police commission. They do say they have it as an option if they're in this area and you know the middle of the night. They just want to get it done quick. I don't again from what Jesse was telling me doesn't happen like ever. There's cobwebs in there. We saw the spiderweb where you book people in. There's no computer. There's nothing there. Uh yeah, it's a jail cell. We'd have to reimagine that. Maybe we don't get rid of that part at at first anyway, but there's other spots in that downstairs again. Then you go on the fire station. Let's just say we do do this, you know, combination thing. Um there's a, you know, plenty of other desks and stuff in that side. So, let's just say we did run out. We we added another three to 10 people over on this side. You can always, you know, have some over there. So, I again, if if y'all are against it, just let's just kill it. But I want to move forward than I ever have been. If we can get a decent a good price for this, a good ra but I I'm not interested in giving this away. Absolutely. I want to get paid for it, you know, and take that put some of it towards our water. The rest of it to update that and you know, maybe there's a new development here that some developer wants to do. Wipe this. Put in like we just saw a nice little development right on kind of right next to the fire department where the alarms go off. Well, and I'm also with Sherry. I I still think there needs to be some some more re-evaluating. So, what do we want to do to move forward? Because it's just like we just keep talking about this and we pay people to do studies every time we turn around around here. Why can't we find someone to do an evaluation or a gap analysis and decide what is the value of this building? What do we need to do to accommodate everything we need over in that building? What are the expenses to do that? So, it's an overall picture of the entire Can we do that? Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I've been working on that. So, go Jesse, go. Well, yeah. Yeah, because I agree. You asked Bolton, right? I mean, okay. And I don't know that may not be the exact route, but we're exploring. You're on it. I mean, we've seen with other cities or vacant land and they put those posts, right, and they say development opportunity, right? You know, we just reach re reached out to you and your buddy, right? But still not not I mean I went to college your contact that very low levels associate. Yeah it was it was a free market analysis is what we got and we want something a little bit more and that that gave us a nice Yeah. And there's also there's always a difference there's always a difference between market analysis and even getting an appraisal done and and however you whatever you want to do. that there was, you know, one thing that came out of it is that there is some value in in the land looking at this the building itself, but not for development. I mean, there's there's probably more information that can be garnered and put together. So, Jesse, when do you think you'll have some news on that? Well, at this point, hopefully tomorrow. Wow, that's fast. I I didn't just ask him today. Don't worry. All right. Well, keep that on the list so we can come back to it. Um, the April 29th, Tuesday, uh, does it work for us to do a joint, uh, uh, parks meeting that we're currently? I don't I don't have I don't know if I'm back. April 29th. April 29th, 6 p.m. or 7? Uh, sure. I think I can I respond when I get home and look at my I think I might still be in Boseman, but I got to respond. I got I've got to go to a celebration of life and Okay. So, it's not going to work. What are you saying? Tuesday the 29th 7 p.m. 46 meeting for me. Let me see. It's It's like our off night, right? Off bonus. But if you're out of town and you're I got to respond to when I can't answer that cuz I I don't have my calendar. As long as I don't go to New Orleans. Tuesday, April 29th. It's Jazz Fest. Oh, that's a good one. I've been a good one. Uh is there a secondary date that we could put the 29th? Well, I don't uh if it would be helpful if if there is one that very quickly we could come up with. Uh Maggie was going to float this to the parks commission on Thursday this week. So um they have yet to opine either. But um what about the 20th? April 20th or May? It'd be May 20th. Oh, you're saying May 20th now? I keep my Tuesdays free. So I'm pretty either that or we have to do it on on a different night than a Tuesday. May 20th would work. Well, they meet on Thursdays. Yeah, I know. But this would be a separate meeting. I know. I'm just saying that they So, it' be May 22nd then. Would that work? Well, here's the problem with going too far because we want to start doing some of the stuff that we want them to do. So, yep. I don't want to go too far out. So, is there anything this month, end of the month that could work or you're gone? I'm leaving on Thursday and then for like till the end of the month for for four like 12 days and then I've got a work related thing. That's why I don't know if I'm back on the 29th. But into the first week of May, you could probably work something. Oh yeah, probably. But again, I'm not a a phone calendar girl. I'm a tactile girl. So my calendar is at home. I I have no idea. I won't be back in town though until after that first week in May. Where are you? What? A celebration of life for my friends. We we can follow up too with an email. This was just sort of you're all sitting here so pitch it out, but sounds like this is probably not going to be the ones. Well, the problem is if we keep pushing this off, you know, parks, they they want to do stuff in the summer, right? They want to start getting stuff done. Yeah, we do want we want to ask for some money so we can have an ice cream social. Why did I say that? No, we we want to have an ice cream social with all the people who do the flowers in our parks. Oh. You know, like we did the volunteer reception for the other volunteers for the people who do our parks. We thought an ice cream social would be kind of fun. Would you be doing it down at the ice cream shop? Probably because wouldn't you buy mound, right? I love that idea. It's great. So, we might even do it at the farmers market. Well, we get together and then we got to float a couple dates. Um, I mean it if you can just give us a couple then we can all just think this works. Then of course it has to work for them. So it's like seven 10 people you know it has to work. Can we go to the actual meeting or is or your agenda is usually really full their actual meeting? Oh Maggie, there you are. You're hiding behind the computer screen tonight. Our meeting this Thursday is pretty busy. Um I think our the second Oh no, we don't I'm thinking council. Oh my gosh. Um, I think our April, no, you mean May. May meeting will be just fine to We could maybe do a joint meeting that one that you could maybe add that to a couple of dates that we can look at. But what what week is that for second? Uh, it's the second Thursday of the month. May 15th. That won't work for me. So, I just totally I was I'm out of town. The second Thursday is May 8th. Okay. Well, again correct. It's useless to do this. I don't have a calendar, so I can't even ask. Well, then we're going to email back and forth for two weeks. So, well, I don't think so. If you can give two or three dates. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we'll we'll do that. All right. Speaking of dates, if even if most of us can show up, if we can't get them us all, it's not you can't guarantee everybody's going to be there. Speaking of dates, Kyle sent us a group email, which that was a mistake. He should I understand that. But are we going to be able to set something up and make it a public meeting or what was No, he shouldn't have sent that to you. It was on accident. It was It was supposed to be just Jesse and I Okay. He's a new staffer. He doesn't Yep. Yep. Got it. It was a mistake. I called Myers and I said, "You can't do an It's a open meeting. You can't invite us all to a meeting. That doesn't make any sense. Oh, that was a mistake. You should have sent it." So, uh Jesse and I are doing that. Okay. Friday morning. Okay. And um yeah, it's just a quick little 30-minute meeting. So basically what what it is is they're looking at is there any option to yes, you know, the money might, you know, might or might not happen, right? Probably not going to happen for 30 million for sure. But is there any backup plan? This is what I was talking about with the senator is can we do some kind of bill where it's like you know you get three grand from the state and then you get rebated with you know reverse osmosis and water software and so you kind of do your own thing right now I know a lot of us are already doing our own thing but it's a band-aid bill basically but we're looking into that is what that's about. So great. Um, and then you're I know you're you're working on the mound econom economic development committee idea or floating things. Yeah. Got your email. Yep. Um I don't know if you want to maybe next time talk about anything on that or do we have a date yet on the website coming up live? Um, so the delay on the website, so uh, council member Mcini and I are I I would say we're pretty much almost done with the design and content. Okay. The delay is coming with trying to coordinate going live with another project which is the invoice cloud platform. Um Noah and I the finance director met with did a meeting with them last week. We're confident that they have what they there there's just been some I don't know coordination issues with the two companies that are involved. We think they're on the right track now. I'm hoping it'll go live within the next month. I'm hoping both both I'm hoping both will be solved by in the next month. Okay. is that iCloud holding I'm sure but but Maggie didn't you say the iCloud is because they're they're having to deal with a couple different groups that aren't coming together at Yeah. So essentially we have an outside company that does our man our billing. Um and so InvoiceCloud and Opus who does our billing they have to coordinate their softwares to talk to each other. And the issue that we were running into is that we are unique in the sense that we have quarterly billing. So we have three groups that go out. So, we stagger our billing. And so, um, instead of having one big batch of data, we've been having to, long story short, they're they now they know what the issue is now and they know what they need to do to fix it. And so, I'm hoping I'll have an update by the end of this week or early next week on where that status is. But the whole goal was to get both of these projects done at the or to have that solved so that when the website goes live, people will have the ability to then use InvoiceCloud at the same time. If if that makes sense. Yeah. We we don't want to we don't want to get the website up and running and then everybody goes there bill. Nobody can still pay their bill yet because that's part of the functionality and perk that we're trying to offer the residents is the invoice cloud. So it would be kind of silly to go live if that's not that that just adds the oh great here we go we're new we have a new thing but this doesn't work you know. broke. Yeah, since most the world has no idea we're really getting a new website, we'd rather have it 100% functioning. I disagree. I've been telling to make a launch. I've been telling you. Well, I don't think it's on most people's list. It's been on our top of our heads for a year, but yeah, but I would say yes, the website is almost there and great. Okay. That was something we were talking about, but adding a page to the website that talks about economic development, what mounds open for business, so on and so forth. Okay. Um I was going to suggest on t Thursday at 2 o'clock, explore Minnesota has a monthly um webinar where they talk different cities talk about their different economic development activities. And so, um, you can join just go to explore Minnesota and it's Hernandez is a staff person, um, that conducts it. Excuse me. Right. Well, Henipin County also has a very strong economic development website as well. Yeah. That we can leverage as a resource. Yeah, I think he does that one, too. I think he coordinates the county pieces. But um you know at one time I wanted to to have him come and talk to us directly and he's willing to do that you know around economic development. Um tomorrow morning I'm going to uh meet with the mayor of St. Bonnie just I don't know he wanted to meet so we'll see what we're going to talk about. Um Thursday we're meeting uh the budget committee, finance committee, uh and we're going to kind of start digging into, you know, is it feasible to stay on our financial plan kind of and pay for a water treatment as a plan B and see what options we would have if if that would work out if we don't get any funding here or or the whole amount or whatever. So again, kind of just starting that conversation. Uh on the 15th we have the fire partnership meeting again. Uh that's you know combining our fire departments. Uh we're making quite a bit of progress there. Uh we we're kind of waiting on the budget part. we we kind of have what we think we want for mound and we're going to kind of propose it um to the group per se and then but we did make some pretty good progress on the contract. So um the contract part I thought was going to be a little bit more the sticky part and we actually kind of agre we actually got a lot done this last meeting. Um so again let's just say all this works out and we actually come up with a budget and and the contract and then we actually vote on it. I think the goal is June. June or July. Yeah. Thereabouts. Okay. And then really we would bring it back to us to actually officially vote on it. What? August or so? I I would say in that same time frame just for budgetary purposes. Yeah. Before we before August. Um and then um last thing is uh on next Wednesday morning at 7:30 the 16th we're going to do coffee with a cop. So if anybody is listening or or seen this uh stop out uh mountain caribou coffee 7:30 um and what the what day? Uh the 16th, next Wednesday, the 16th, 7:30 in the morning, probably go to 8:30 or so. Um but we have uh um was it just one officer or a couple maybe coming out? Uh the chief and some others, whoever's available is encouraged to to swing by and spend some time. And um I don't know if Tony was just talking big game, but he sort of indicated that, you know, they'll stick around as long as they can. So yeah, people show up, you know, you got an audience. Okay. Um, is there a way we could maybe beyond just us sitting there in Caribou with, you know, with cops and then people walk in, can we say maybe do like a little sign or something? Coffee with a cop, something like that. I know you is it did you create that graphic or did she maybe just blow that up and put on an easel or something just so people know what we're doing? If anybody just walks in randomly and they go, "Hey, you want to chat with Mountain or Orno Police, you know, kind of an intro as people walk in so they know they're in the right spot." Yeah. Yeah. Um, that's it. So, any anything else anybody has? Uh, number 13. You guys got anything? We cover everything. All right. All right. I'll take a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. And can I get a second? Second. All right. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. Those opposed? All right.