welcome to the mountain city council meeting it's uh Wednesday May 15th and at 7 o'clock can we rise for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all all right well thank you guys for all coming and we'll get to you in a in a minute um I just have a quick announcement um uh one we just got uh for our water ret treatment plant we we applied for the community Project funding through uh representative Phillip's office congressman philli and we just submitted for uh 3.1 million and that uh got accepted into their uh House Appropriations bill that doesn't mean it's done yet we just submitted for it uh last year we submitted for 4 million we only got just less than a million uh on the federal side so uh anyway good news that we potentially have a shot there hopefully uh that goes through uh and then one last thing uh down at the the state um contact senator Morrison and representative Myers right now there's not not a lot of money to go around down there supposedly and um we want to make sure that we're in that final bonding Bill if if they pass it so anyway this is the shot this is the last uh week week and a half here so uh call email taex you know whatever you can try to get uh in that bill so uh we'll talk a little bit more at the end about that too um so I got the agenda here is there any amendments no amendments okay uh can I get a motion to approve the agenda make a motion to approve the agenda okay and can I get a second second and any discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppos all right that passes and we got the consent agenda does someone want to go through no it's not I guess there's only two items we got the approvement uh payment of claims and we got uh the approvement sorry to approve uh minutes for from our uh regular meeting and the workshop meeting soes anybody want to talk about those or pull anything okay hearing none can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda so moved and on a second second okay roll call please council member Larson I council member mckin hi council member Pew hi council member castalano hi mayor Hol I all right that passes all right so number five we got got comments and suggestions from anybody that's their topic is not on the agenda if anybody wants to come up all right not hearing any and I don't think number six I don't think the oral police are here yet they are not okay well good then we get to go on to the fun Stu all right so we got West Tonka High School robotics team presentation and uh I don't know if uh Council May Belser you want to introduce come on come on get up here I have nothing to do with this team I just I've been following them a little bit I'm sorry Phil veler 3232 Gladstone Lane um my nephew's actually on the RO uh school team and I knew these guys got to go to Worlds and we kind of followed Along online and lo and behold they go out and just kick everybody's butt a couple weeks ago up at at state in uh the Twin Cities there and I just thought it'd be really cool for them to come in and show our community what they did and what this thing does cuz it's it blows my mind that these kids can do this stuff so yeah we appreciate D do you want to say anything Dale um yeah come on well um just give us your name my name is Dale Kimble I'm the tech teacher at the high school and the robotics coach um right now uh we would love to give you a little show and tell on the robot except we may have a little Tech fix it real fast right we have somebody running back for a new little radio once you get the radio it'll take seconds to get it up and running but um if you would like to hear about the season I can have um we have a couple of our drivers we have our programmer yeah a couple of our programmers they can come up and tell you all about the season yeah that'd be awesome thank you it up we can we can bring it up yeah it's not that light it's about 140 lb go so again uh these guys won State for the robotics team so we uh yeah we won uh we took we won the Regionals in Duo y made it the worlds took 22nd out of 75 in the district there section there qualified qualifications was first and then we won it but I'll let them tell you about all the highlights of the Year cool yeah come up and give us your name and tell us something hi everyone I'm Rohan Nella I'm the software Captain for our robotics team so yeah as Mr Kimble mentioned um we did you know we we won our duth competition we did very well there and U big part of that was not just our robot but um our amazing scouting team led by Gabby over there basically we collected data on all the other robots at our regional competition and then we came up with our you know best case scenario Alliance of three teams and that helped us to win know we uh made it to Worlds and then we had our state competition which we qualified for and uh you know as you guys probably know we won that so um yeah it was a big team effort and we really pulled our weight this year and uh worked out well oh yeah autonomous so basically one big major part of our success was our autonomous which is basically a 15-second period where the robot does stuff on its own so it's not controlled and I actually led the effort in that um and we actually won an autonomous award at our duth competition for having the most consistent autonomous there it earned us roughly a third of our points every match and uh that was very useful uh it was countless hours of us uh you know mainly me just like retesting it over and over and over but um you know over time it got better and better and it paid off in the end and uh that was a major part of our success so can you just give us a for people that don't know what you guys do so what do you do like how do you win points how do you how does this whole thing work sure yeah someone else want to go yeah and we'll see it obviously in a few yeah we have the game piece here so there's um these are called notes and there's two different scoring thing or a few different scoring ways you can shoot them up into a higher thing um with is the little hood or you can kind of put it into a thing on the wall yeah and then you can also climb up on a chain and then score it into a trap door up there okay and then uh there's different point values based on where you scored and if you score it during autonomous or if our drivers are scoring it nice yeah so it picks up notes from down there and then it'll come up through here and then uh depending on where it is it up here into the larger higher scor mechanism or it'll shoot it down into the one and do you have like a controller that controls it we do have our driver here also um we end up uh just so you know this is not our original robot okay CU our driver decided test the limits so we had to build one a little stronger for our driver okay all right was very bent after Del pretty much rebuilt the whole thing you we call this one Sid 2.0 yeah half of the like our our time between duth and worlds half of that time was basically spent waiting for this new new frame to come was like yeah we got it professionally welded which is nice oh nice volunteer to help with that can I get you all to gather around and then I'll get a picture of you may or hold I'm going to give him a certificate is is this the whole well we're waiting for a battery body who's anybody who's part of it are we waiting on anybody or yeah we're waiting for them to go get a B run okay but but let's get sir you and the blue and and the gal tighten up everybody so I can get everybody in and then the gallon that red here yeah you do you want to come in front I yeah that's okay perfect you're okay to stand oh I am yeah just tighten up yeah this is great make sure I see everybody do you want to come in front a little sir in the you're a coach I think you're the coach yeah why don't you my front okay all right all right any other M okay Smile everybody okay thank you and and congratulations on your efforts the picture well everybody sold me because they listen to you guys Mr Mayor no work yeah that's really on okay um can we can we have the grades that you all face newsletters all over the place team right um yeah can you tell us what grades all these kids are in they're eight through 12 8 through 12 okay 8 through 12 and then can you tell me again exactly for our Facebook page and stuff Maggie you know tell us exactly what you've won and where so we can get accurate come the microphone do you want to come up to the microphone we won the Northern Lights Regional in Delo and then uh we went to Worlds that qualified US for both worlds and state and they're not in order which is a little bit but uh so then we went to Worlds and we did that was okay there but and then we came back and then we won State as well and worlds was in Houston in Houston correct cool cool and do you have trophies to show for all that or did they give you extra batteries or what is okay trophies a couple big banners to H oh cool do you get College scholarships and then where was it held in when you had state for a state Williams Arena okay perfect nice that's cool thank you that was the top 36 teams from around the state of Minnesota we about 300 teams in Minnesota wow we congrats and we also won the double decker and the double decker which is in Del yeah the double decker is Northern Lights and another competition that's happening at the same time with whole another set of teams okay I believe both of them are around 50 teams and then the two winners of those teams compete in uh just kind of a for fun match called a double decker where it was the winners and I don't remember what the final score ended up being but well that's really exciting so just to clarify out of can I clarify out of how many teams in Minnesota and you were the top 36 we were one of the top 36 and then we out of 188 188 yeah the top 36 went to State and then we went ahead and one state cool cool so the data you collected what what methodology did you use um yeah so it was a lot of it was just where did they score and how many game pieces did they score they W I think they came and then we had some fun with spreadsheets to try and kind of figure out and process some of that data so did other people do do this approach or this is your origal um yeah a lot of teams actually do very similar stuff I mean the way the teams do it can be a little bit different but yeah you have to choose your teammates for going into playoffs so it's you have to know who to choose how many females are they do you know they're kids I think there you know it's the M four other student females on the team okay what about across the board in the state are there a lot of females in the state I don't you didn't see him that's okay I see a light on oh yeah and then um it's not technically is it okay yeah so we are also third in the world for the end game so that's the component with the chain where we have to climb up wow so we were the first team ever to do what's it called so scoring in the Trap but there's three traps and we were the first team ever to do the Triple Trap W that's awesome third in the world the you were third in the world world and at end game okay so 2,474 teams in the Maggie are you getting all this I'm feel I'm feeling like we should give you Magie email and you can send her a recap so we can give accurate info we have lots on YouTube yeah someone wants to if you guys are able to you can pull a okay I can be what what inspired you all to do this what inspired you to get into robotics too much winning keep track of going to be sick fun it's fun yeah I see a light on ises that mean it's good to go all right go ahead right now we're run with the c here yeah so [Music] okay Paul you Paul you may get hit I'm just fine mov all right so one one big Improvement so one big one big Improvement we made when going to Worlds was um we have an automatic intake so basically we have a series of sensors through this entire transfer intake and shooting system that you know tracks the note and stops it perfectly so it's really fast at that wow he didn't do anything that was all the robot by itself and gets it ready to shoot right there uh I don't Toby cool up I going to see I want how do how high wow that's NE that's why we put our hands there opening is about 7t off the ground for that upper shot so the robot's got to stay aboutt out in front of and then shoot up into that overhanging opening the lower Target's only about 2 feet off the ground and so it's basically a vertical hole in a wall if you imagine a little square hole in this wall about 2 feet off the ground we have to roll up to that and slide it down into that vertical opening it's narrow and it's tall so you got drop it in that the real challenge is what Gabby was talking about with the climbing at the end there's hooks on here I if you move the hooks oh y those are me to catch a loop of chain okay whole robot is going to lift itself up on the Chain there's another vertical opening 4 and 1/2 ft off the ground the robots are only allowed to be 4 F feet tall so you have to climb up in order to reach that and drop that orange ring down another vertical opening it has a little trap door on it so I call it the Trap because of that trap door mechanism and that's what nobody or very few people in the world could do well we actually had the right recipe of stuff and we're very quick and efficient I wish we had a whole setup here of the videos we'll show you right um much more impressive than when it just we can send you links yeah please so much yeah s you got my email yeah send how many seniors are on your team 10 seniors out of 41 so and there are they all going on to further their experience with robotics in school or uh computer science some Material Science mechanical engineering there's a whole host cool some video game design kind of related joysticks robots so how did you pick him as driver how did you pick him as driver we trials trials oh so you won the trial during the trials we didn't realize how strong we had to build a robot because our Drive what helped us is our driver Was Not Afraid of Anything if it was it this way he was taking it out right nice even the game pieces that weren't supposed to move I think rattled a little that's Weir all right do one more time a picture of the driver got the Jo pick it up up [Music] [Laughter] wow nice is we have these sword wheels on here so no matter how we're going we can keep it wow that's really impressive that is really neat does anybody else have any other questions it's pretty cool well good congrats team too like y'all get along pretty pretty great H my neurosurgeon engineer Rob really yeah he started engineer myew really just so far over my head no idea looking SP I was just going to say if you've done fundraisers Ain't Too Proud to bag right when it comes to all this amazing opportunity yeah really see here and a whole bunch of their friends congratulations well can we give him a round of applause thank you guys for coming out thanks for coming and for the demo make sure they don't know that me it might just land on your head like a little Queen like a fancy all that stuff yeah yeah thank you handles so it sounds like usually Wess oh yeah yeah okay will you drive that out to your car or carry it no carry it take it all thanks team thank you byebye it's cool yeah that's cool you want me to do you turn the lights down a little all right number eight we got a council introduction the presentation and concept concept plan from Jeff Green at for the property at 6639 bar Boulevard all right he good evening mayor members of the council members of the public uh Rita trap the city's planning Consultants I'm just going to do a brief introduction to make sure everybody um kind of has a framework of what we're looking at this evening um as established in your city policy regarding development application review we do have a council introduction tonight uh there's a proposed concept plan uh for what is called hallad Estates it's a property at 6639 Bartlett Boulevard in Mound uh that property is located at the western edge of the city on Bartlett Boulevard the project Hallet Estates is actually a project that extends across Mound and Minnetrista um the portion of the project that's in Mound is about 1.66 Acres inside size um the applicant is proposing on just the mound parcel uh an 8 unit row house two duplex buildings and one single family home that would be a total of 13 units um if you include the Minista um comp uh component that is an additional three duplex buildings and 20 single family homes um the project has been in front of Minista city council for some preliminary discussions um Tom gam from more engineering is actually who's here this evening and he will provide the council introduction um as you all know this is a a way of having you learn about a proposed project at the concept stage staff has not done a review and does not have any specific comments about how this fits with the city code this is an opportunity for you to hear about the project provide comments ask questions provide feedback uh you have also established in this policy that the public is notified and we did send out a letter to surrounding Property Owners so that they are aware of this concept introduction and there may be neighbors here that are interested in making um some comments or having uh their questions answered about it as well um so with that I will turn it over uh to Mr goodam from more engineering to walk through the concept answer any questions that you may have um and we'll get the concept s up for you to take a look at welcome can you give us your name and address yes Tom goodam I'm with Mo engineering this two Carlson Parkway okay here tonight as re introduc to present a concept plan this is the early stages on our proposals here however we have spoke to your staff a couple times already we've met with Minista staff and before the Minista Park Board Planning Commission city council so this is our last step before hopefully we move on to the the pre preliminary plan preliminary design State stage of the project and uh again I'm with more engineering uh my background is L use planning and Land Development our company is a civil engineering uh firm we're representing the client tonight the client is Pine Financial they're out of Denver Colorado but they have investment uh opportunities or Pursuits um Minnesota Wisconsin Washington DC and dent and Colorado their representative is Jeff Green unfortunately he was supposed to be here tonight but he went under surgery a couple days ago uh just couldn't quite make it on the airplane to fly out here today so I'm here before you we our architect is a zega architect again out of Denver I'll be handing out a information about those two companies and type of projects that they have worked on in the past numerous projects development projects between those two firms first one of this kind in Minnesota first time in the mound area so we're excited about being here and I've been here for many years I won't tell people how many actually I went Sarah and I came in the planning field together so we've known each other for a long time with that I'll follow up with the you have the site plan that's uh bringing that up a couple other due diligence we did reach out to Fire Marshall got a letter from him or from that department on their comments on the concept plan only we did reach out to Hon County I haven't heard not have not heard back back from them their highway department for the access Arrangements we did get some preliminary conversations from Min Trista on their comments I'll share those with you tonight as well I did speak with uh three of the neighbors and I believe two of them are are here today just to have a more of a informal conversation with them on what we're thinking and what we're presenting to you tonight so with that I'll just jump right into it so yeah uh as you see on the the screen before you the the mount property is uh read pointed out on the Eastern side of the property I know if you've seen this several times before in past past projects ours is pretty straightforward oh our concept is so I just wanted to make sure if we didn't need to dim the the lights sorry with the eight R Town Homes rural homes along the this side of the property you come in a new access coming along the the Eastern side of the property eight RS here taking advantage of the to topography views coming off over to the to the West we wanted to split it up with a couple of duplexes down the and this end so I have a little uh break up in the within the the town homes and that along this Corridor we do have a pretty significant slope here maybe considered a bluff we got to go through that determination process and we are showing a residential single family residential home at this end along with a duplex as well the the reason that we have three of them there is I think our architect looked at the plans and the Shoreland tearing process shows that three units might be possible down there is concept we're going to kind of throw everything on the wall and see what people like what people don't like so we do we do have it uh with a duplex and a single family resident just to get some ideas of what how we should approach this area we do have utilities coming across here so we know we are have to take care of uh make our that available and of course all road that existing that comes down here serving these properties to the South couple of things that we' pointed out uh early that made comments on is first of all that this is not a beach house it's a single family home uh the second point that people pointed out that this we do have a significant slope here we're not going to get a road down that down that slope without some very significant grading the idea here is to dedicate right away but actually it might become more of a driveway coming down that or we serve access from this side we still looking on the engineering we're going to be moving a lot of dirt in this process the overall theme of this project is to create the whole thing as an independent uh neighborhood we are trying to avoid connecting with existing neighborhoods here and in here the reason is we see them all as unique we see our piece of property very unique we have a significant amount of trees iner topography uh we have uh the lake hes are down here with their very unique type of character neighborhood Co over here have their very unique so our attempt is to create everything as a its own neighborhood and including this as part of that neighborhood as well we do show a trail coming through this way again we do not know what's going to happen in this direction just because of comments from from Mena and from you and from the neighbors uh what What's is going to happen here that's going to be a storm water Pond we will not have a community Beach or a area down this area the be just for the single family residence uh down in this this Lakeside here we do have a home right next to us here that we're um very considera or conscious of uh did meet with that land owner the other day talking about what type of Separation uh thoughts about the the project and what they would like to see I'll let sir Lily hog talk for himself if he wishes but had a great discussion um things he likes things he didn't like and we're more than willing to work with them on what his expectations would be also with the the neighborhoods down in here we do want to be a good neighbor we do want to have a very unique neighborhood a very individual neighborhood and we do want to be a good neighbor to everybody in M with that I'll be open up for for discussion okay does council have any questions well to me it seems like that's a lot of a lot of density you know like are is all of this going to be for sale or are the RO houses for rent what is is it for sale properties the it's going to be for salees so is it going to be market rate plus uh type uh development they will be uh for sale we we that decisions have been made again it's going to be based on what we hear from the communities what they want to see the density on there we understand it's 7 to 12 units an acre For What the City allows in here at concept we're at that 1314 that's as much as you could get in on that site again we're looking at as a concept plan uh knowing that we have a lot of variables that come with it we have a open space that have to provide for turnarounds we have to provide for setbacks you have to provide for but we're we're showing what if we had full density full build out kind of the options are available to us and all of everything's going to be access from Hallstead lane or are you going to be coming up 110 how is how are access our goal or our plan initially is to build a new driveway Private Road off 110 off 110 yes we did have another we proposed we have this Plateau right here that has great views over this uh view so where there's an existing access we know now that that's a nogo that's not going to happen so our access would be halad and if allowed this road here we do want to the initial attempt is to keep the mound property kind of its own development even though it's part of the larger one just to make lines easier working with different communities different uh uh regulatories uh if a blending of the two properties and making them one under agreements we're open to that as well but initially uh just for concept purposes showing what we could do on the two individual cities is what we're proposing tonight any other questions um the the density this wasn't really a question maybe looking more for like clarification from Sarah Rita but like the it's 7 to 12 units per acre and it's 1.66 Acres so if the total is like 13 units I mean it could that shouldn't be reaching capacity for the density right it wouldn't appear so um the other point we do have to mention is that because the mountain piece uh has Lake Shore that it's subject also to the Shoreland rules and so there's an overlay of what we call Shoreland tearing and the Shoreland tearing um it it basically is set up to uh in 10,000 foot increments is how many you get and the further you you move away from the lake you get dead City bonuses if you're closer to the lake you lose and and because we're at the stage we haven't done that math so while the this number may be in the realm of what where they need to be for comp plan it might be further tightened up because of the requirements for sh Lan teering as well as the requirements for open space park space and those types of things so um it's important to to mention that as well and you you're talking about you may end up losing a duplex along the way is that to accommodate storm runoff I mean how are you going to decide exactly we once we get uh further details what can we fit down there what we've heard from Neighbors and from other communities is having single family down here is uh the preferred at this time uh again we're we're showing a duplex just because of we got to make a market available if that's an option uh we are dealing with a slow possibly Bluff depending how it's defined so that's going to restrict some development on the slower ends it's going to be it's tight down there and throwing having three units down there is going to be tough to do and and honestly I don't think it's going to work out but we're showing what hopefully we can do at a concept level and start peeling away what needs to be peeled away she said right now you're they could be rentals or it could be sold yeah right now we're looking at for sale for sale that's that's our goal our intent okay unless we get direction some other way or some Market Direction shows us some other options but uh from what I heard from from my clients is that they're looking at that for sale type unit and they did Pan mey some uh information yep there's a five I think there's five sheets in there or packages just to give some examples of the type of development that our team have has developed a form okay how did Colorado company discover this property in Mound they have relationships in Minnesota family relationships and business relationships so they've been working in Minnesota throughout the years again we're one of their four cities that they focus on and so yeah it's family and business Pine Financial ended up owning the property because the last development Serenity Hills imploded and because of and pine had provided some Mezzanine Financing so they got the property thank you that's kind of where I was going with how how'd you end up here so that that's great yes there's a relationship with the previous property owner okay and it's it's not going to be an HOA it'll all be individual owner well with the town house units probably an OA uh just because of their yeah we don't know on the ministic side how that's how that will come out probably HOA because they do have water requirements where you have to have irrigated water through ponding and there's a number of different City Rules and requirements that kind of leans toward HOA type development yeah Jesse can you pull up do you have your PDF on the agenda page 67 64 yeah yeah that one easier to see well yeah it seems a little crisper of course mine's flipped the other way of it um just less messy I guess is was Sarah at one point was all of that the old um Park Trailer Park Trailer Park all of it between minist and m y yeah that's been empty a long time so does remember this is concept this is our what we decided to do to kind of give feedback so they don't we don't steer them down the wrong road and waste their time um so does anybody have any suggestions or thoughts on what this would look like and then I'll let uh if anybody wants to come up and talk to thank you um or do you want to hear from them first I mean I think it's a good start I think it's a lot you know but you know with finessing I'm sure if the neighborhood is comfortable with it that's what we need to hear from you so why don't why don't we hear from them do you want to sit down for a minute and then we'll have you come back up thank you okay can you give us your name and address my name is BJ Johnson I live at 6655 hallad Avenue okay like directly across the street so across the Main Street uh um oh that street oh I'm right there and that's Hallstead Avenue right now you're in a civil engineer and I bet you've got we involved in the drawings what's the elevation change between here and here roughly 30t and what is the slope we didn't have to do SL it's steep it's real steep that's the easy answer um I've lived here since 1997 we have had four at least four probably five Redevelopment proposals come through every single one of them included rebuilding Hallstead Avenue it's a terrible street it's it's below width and it's patched it's patch upon patch upon patch and I think I'm the only person that lives on a dirt road in Mound I mean I'm probably wrong but we from the so are you in Mound or are you I'm in Mound and from from at the mound border I don't know why my house isn't showing here but I'm right there and this house here that's M Mound border the upper edge of that house is the border on minat Trista and Mound and from that point forward is a it's dirt and there is no turnaround we we've had people come down we've had to have ambulance come down there they have a hard time turning around um for the whole time I've lived here the every time anybody has brought any request for do something about this road the answer has always been from both Mound and Minista oh it's going to get redeveloped and when redevelop it they're going to fix the road okay they're redeveloping it he's proposing to get and and when I talked to him the other day um he said that because they're going to run a driveway down here they're not going to need to access Hallstead Avenue so they have no we're not touching it we're not going to fix it I I it's it's unacceptable um again it's we have You' got a dirt road and Mound with inadequate turnaround and um the overall plan is again we've seen four or five this is probably one of the better ones but I find the idea of trying to I can't tell you how steep that is it's really steep so the idea that they're going to be able to grade that to get a road down there so that they can access these homes I don't see how they're going to do it without and uh it is I can tell you from uh previous proposals that that is definitely considered Shoreland Bluff so um I don't think they can change it very much so you would recommend like a turnaround there would no I I would say I we would like the neighbors of mine on Hallstead Avenue I've talked to several of them we want what the cities have always promised us we want them the developer to upgrade Hallstead Avenue and if they did then they would be able to access these houses from Hallstead right here it's a flat access can I ask a question m Matt I'm not sure if you'd answer this but is it because half of it on um Min Tristan half's Mound is that why it's not ever been I I don't know much about this area Sarah do you know uh I kind of echo what Mr Johnson has said I think there's been a thought that that would maybe change if it deel if it development came through um but I think that road has been in that condition oh yeah oh yeah and anded so we don't own Hallet Avenue yes you do you own about 100 yards until three houses so that's that's H don't own this road well I think to both of your points then the way that this goes is you guys find out more about that bluff that might dictate where things are headed you know like if holsteads Hallstead Avenue would access the lower or the lower units can't can't be there you know I we'll get there we have no objections to the units being there yep our objection is to how they're going to access those units well my bigger question too is it's been since 1997 the road's never been oh I'm sure long much longer than that7 years I live there in 72 and 73 on the lake down at the bottom on the back of that Cliff yeah it was dirt there yeah it was dirt then with that huge Cliff right there with the trailer TR up on the top yeah yeah that's been there a long time I'm just curious why why you live in a dirt road that's what I'm trying to get out well because there's been no reason you know Mound has not been interested in bringing it up to normal codes it needs needs to be wider and it it needs we'd like to see it paved but in a in a proper turnaround so that Emergency Equipment come down and have good access okay but understandably the both Mound and Minista have been uninterested in doing anything with this because they say it's going to get redeveloped and when it gets redeveloped it'll get taken care of okay so your solution as long as that got fixed you would be okay with the project pretty much get p swis through Hall yeah we have no problem with you know the the units that they put down towards the uh Shore uh on lak Shore is they can access through the Hallstead it's not it would the number of units is not going to impact us at all okay yeah I'm not real excited about a new Street up 110 right there that's kind of a crazy are there driveway well Street driveway people be turning in and out well there would be both yeah there would still be a street still have a street eight row homes for the r homes but there would just be a call the S right has there ever been any discussion about you've got a road that goes east west and it has it ends in a culdesac not contacting cing uh Cardinal Covington Road several of the uh um just address us and then we'll get in a minute several of the previous uh plans have because there was concern that we've we've got uh Cardinal Cove and about 250 yards east of there is Hallstead Avenue and there couple of times they've blocked off Hallstead Avenue and ran the street down to to Cardinal Cove so you only have one entrance so right down the middle and then you from both Sid yeah I get so y I think well again I'll let him speak but I think maybe because of the Bluffs on behind the ROMs or something I don't we'll let him talk but any other suggestions no that's uh that's pretty much one question so only the single family home down there has access to the lake shore again he'll respond to us in a minute okay well it's just a question yeah he'll you'll remember all them and then you have to come and respond to us so okay thank you question s is your is your sewer are you on the are your is your sewer pumped up or down which way which way is your um there's a lift station yeah approximately there and I don't know how it it goes down but then it gets pumped from there to someplace but there's a a a significant lift station and it receives uh sewage from the Hallstead Drive Lake Lake AIS there's a there's a lift station down there and so wherever it gets his but it goes to from Hallstead Drive it goes up over to us on hallad Avenue and then I it's a f station so it gets pumped uphill from some place all right thank you all right if anybody else wants to come up give us your name and address certainly um good evening uh council members and mayor um Steve log uh 6627 and 6625 Bartlett Boulevard I'm on the bottom of the map there those uh for the entirety of the length of this development um as well as my wife um so thank you for tonight um I sat in these chairs for 20 years so I'm very familiar with this process been involved with developments like this um thousands of Acres um and uh probably up to close to 100 miles a roadway so um and I've I moved into this property in 2018 is that right um so when I moved in I thought Serenity Hills was coming um and I knew that and I was okay with that um I love it the way it is right now there's a fox den right next door and it's there a lot of nature there and we love it um but they have the right to develop it so what my wife and I want to do is to try to point some things out to make it better um for the neighborhood um I've known Tom for 20 years um on that side of the fence um so we had a good convers ation um but a few things um uh so the zoning and land use part of it um you know the the spirit of the the land use part of it was uh to have this a little higher density um but Minista seemingly has lost that Spirit um another it's like we have a little higher density but they have I think it was a couple duplexes so um it's not necessarily a matching neighborhood anymore so I would challenge the council to really think about that um with that density part usually with the higher density you have um I don't know if this would be a planned unit development or whatever but you have some tradeoffs with the higher density um this is an extremely tough spot to uh have a good fruitful high density type of development it's unconnected period you can't get anywhere from that higher density on sidewalks so um it's it's a challenge um if the county and the city and the development were to want to put in a trail um including along the highway in front of my property I would support that I would dedicate right away at easement for that whatever is needed um so I would support that trying to make it connective but I'm just one little piece of the pie um it's an extremely difficult Corridor so connectivity and those type of amenities are are non-existent um you can't get to a playground here unless you walk out on the highway down into Minista so um it's tough to to support a development like that um the the driveway I don't want to be too re too iterative but um that wouldn't be a city street it that' be like 25 to 30 foot wide at most and we don't have we don't typically Mound we don't own city streets and maintain them like that so it' be most likely a private drive and my driveway getting down to the lower it's a gravel driveway it's it's steep but on the high part I'm lower and on the low part I'm higher and I have a steep driveway this driveway would be twice as steep it's it's not feasible to put a driveway in to connect the lower the lower part um without digging up probably half of my yard I don't know for sure um if there's a pointer on here uh laser um so hellstead drive this this is a City prop this is the city limit line and Hell said Drive is actually not showing on here the utilities and water man come underneath and across these duplexes and across my yard and serve us over here so these duplexes just simply won't work there there's there's City Utilities under there so that's not really feasible at all to get you know more than one unit to the south of those utilities um I would I would ask um much that was said um earlier um it is a it is an emergency issue in this area um uh our our Emergency Services don't know how to get to this area and I had a fire down here it was I lit the fire and I was wrong and someone on the lake called and reported it and literally and you can ask uh police officer yeah I say um but it took him probably 20 minutes to just find this area down here right because it's it's there's no way to get down here so I would ask the city for a whole plethora of reasons to um for the lower part whatever whatever that might be to make sure that it comes off hellstead and there's a proper turnaround here um be that a culdesac or whatever type of turnaround that will make uh it better for the city and not just one individual um but as a city as a whole I would ask um this is been a Trista thing but putting um double stacked roads the this house has no front yard or no backyard it's roads on every side of these two houses here um not a good plan at all so that would further justify let's use the existing infrastructure out there rather than double up on it um when we're done the city is going to own this so let's let's have it right planned um I'll keep rolling here um let's see screening um I have faith that the developer will work with uh to screen between the densities of the property if they're different but it certainly wouldn't be putting a driveway right my property line for the entire whatever it is several hundred 600 ft with a fence there um and then as far as it be in a neighborhood um we need to go to work if we I think I think it should be not a SE segregated neighborhood from the rest of us it's like let's if it's a neighborhood let's all be part of the neighborhood and I would I would challenge a city ccil does this look like an integrated neighborhood right now not at all right it's it's like spot zoning and stuffed in a little higher density at its worst so um I don't have all the answers to make it better um but this is a start um let's seej screening yeah that's it uh I'm here to um selfishly um I you know my wife and I we are uh rehabbing our house right now we plan on this is our forever property part of it anyways um our taxes have doubled in 6 years so I'm not going to pay $20,000 a year to the government anymore so we're probably going to sell off half of it we're going to probably demolish this house and build our forever home further back from the lake and we have three lots in there right now so um you know but we're going to be there forever um that's our plan we love this property and we want to love our neighbors too so um that's what I would ask the city council to to make this better work with Tom gridman in the development to to make it better we got a we got a little ways to go here so thank you thank you thank you anybody else give us your name and address excuse me Jerry meter uh 6607 Bartlett um I I think it's too too dense too and but I I know some of the prev you know Serenity Hills and a couple other on they were talking about transient docks down there so I was wondering what what they're planning down there Cu uh um so we don't have like Woodland Cove where we have 130 docks or whatever you know so right but I guess that's my okay just question thank you all right do you want to come back up and respond to some of those concerns you want to start with the doc since it's fresh sure mayor members of the council Tom goodram with more engineering I appreciate the comments I've received here from the audience again I did talk to two of these neighbor who spoke tonight I have SAR type conversations to address some of the the comments that were made uh we knew coming in that this was not a pretty picture or even a good plan uh we we approached it with direction that we wanted Mountain be separate from Min Trist in our development and so we we showed something how that would work kind of understanding that that's not going to be the the final result but uh more conversations after talking to people after our clients actually walk the the site and seeing the the slope you know one the initial ones to have a more of a private drive we swing through and come back but may be better now just to turn this duplex take advantage of this used up there and have a turn emergency turn around just use this area up here for that part of the development whatever that might be and then serve our properties down here by extending this road down to this site again we because of the history with Minista we want to be private streets Minista was open to having private streets to keep it within the community instead of going into and doing public uh construction for both miniaturist who really didn't want it and Mound who were still working on how that would all work we're not opposed but uh if we know fix just the mount side then it's hallad is going to be pretty ugly going on the tristi side those are the conversations we're going to need to have as we move forward uh do we do we fix up Paul said do we bring this row down in here we have a flat ground we have the ability to come in here and put the the roundabout right at the bottom here keep everything within the property without touching H dead I did hear a a comment about these homes and double Frontage yet it's not ideal to have double Frontage homes but the Topography of the site as you can tell it slopes down to the lake uh having the homes front yards here beautiful natural walkout it minimizes any grading on the property we can naturally build walkouts and these people living in these homes their backyards would be facing Lakeside and so even though there be a road there uh three houses uh again a very nice neighborhood they're not it's it will fit in there nicely it's not poor views for us and hopefully not poor views from there definitely you know be cleaned up and be identifiable different neighborhood I think I answered those two uh again with menist staff you had the pH map backup talking about Cove what we heard from the city of Minista is that we Coler Street or H Street here that will need to be a public road that's going to be why it has to have a 50ft ride away and upgraded to serve because we are serving all the homes down here plus our homes in here uh the mayor her comments was also this the street that we have coming over the Cove we weren't showing it as being attached again we like the separ separation of neighborhoods we were showing an emergency access route between the two so we could get emergency vehicles in uh her suggestion was to open that up so there is public connection between those two so we are looking at combining there uh again these are the concept plans these are what we've been hearing from Neighbors and from uh from other communities I think I hit the yeah again with the what's happening down here last conversation is a single family home now I did see a 2000 plan that had two single family home spit this in a half we weren't talking at that at this time uh it was just a single family no common area down by the lake so there won't be no no docks for no this just a doct for a single family just for that one person okay yeah uh Steve is correct or Mr log with this duplex here with the utilities and the slopes again we place it there to show what three units would look like by the lake okay we're not comfortable or even confident or even sure even want anything up in that area right it's here for a concept for discussion and direction from you and your staff so what about you you got beautiful brand new homes on the mrica side and then Road toown homes on the mountain side again you do single I don't know if those pictures came through there but there there are the zaga architecture they've done I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them I'm just saying oh we're trying to meet density requirements that uh this is medium density 7 to 12 units an acre uh Direction was to keep those densities and that development single to Mound not combining the two properties into a single development even though they they'll be next to each other if it ends out to be a single development we're flat if we flatten out this area and feather things all together uh we're open to that too but uh so if you did individual single family homes in that area and I'm talking probably pretty nice homes just like the ones right there in Minista that you're going to build why how many can you get in there instead of we have not looked at that at this time I would highly look at doing that extending the I would map I mean yeah we're two different cities two different things but you're right next to it you're doing this random thing right there I mean he's kind of right I mean you got a development here you got Road town homes and then you got it's not walkable it's I mean if anybody's walked on that street I mean I'm not I'm not opposed to it m ducky look yeah it's not again if it was at a different spot maybe more downtown I think I'd be a little I I'm not against it yet but I'm just saying we I think remember this first concept thing I think if you could squeeze in not squeeze in but if you could do similar what you're doing on the mrica side on our side and do very very nice expensive homes I think everybody will be happy we be open to it uh we're following the the zoning and the comprehensive planning of the both cities Y and at that time at the current land use plan single family homes to not meet the density requirements of the city scheduled for so it'll be a reiding and a rezoning for the city if you want to go down that if we go down that path but okay can I put a pause on it am I wrong on what I'm saying here Rita how many houses could we get in there you think I I think the I think the biggest message that Mr gri is trying to get across is right now because of how it's been historically guided it's guided for medium density which is 7 to 12 units an acre right so if you were going to look at single family homes then we would have to have a reiding which would need to go through a comprehensive plan amendment process like all what we did last year Yes except for it I mean it's slightly different in the fact that it's an actual map change versus last time we did mostly text changes so it's something you can certainly do but that's why that's why there's still the that's why he keeps coming back to we're doing what you said that's in our comprehensive plan and that guidance is related to the original Serenity concept right back however many years ago all of that land was guided in order to facilitate that to happen I don't know what the process was cuz I at at the time I believe Trista and Mound were the same um in order to do that project and somehow ours still is and theirs must have changed but we don't have that information so it is something you could look at but I think that the developer may want more Direction before they develop a whole plan set on that concept because that'll involve an actual comprehensive change and an actual rezoning of that piece of property in order to do that if we said go today on that how long would that take uh it's still it's still going to be a number of months process because you need to have a public hearing at the Planning Commission you all need to see it it needs to go to the Metropolitan Council it's a slightly different change than the one we did before um but it still will have you know Minista is going to need to be comment you know receive comment and have the opportunity to weigh in on it they would even know it's ours well because there yeah it's it's generally we use the 350 ft oh similar and especially since it's on the border um obviously they know about the project but um that is something that would take some time to go through the process and that's something that they can request or you can request it it can come from either either way it's the same amount of effort going through the process so with the you know how many row homes you got there how many actual single families could we get in there if we did changes that's uh that would be based on um so the the single family guidance is 1 to six units per acre um and so that would drop the number of units you would need to have in order to make that work so it's what 1.6 six so sevenish could with no math and no calculator in my hand potentially get 6 seven eight Homes single family homes instead of the duplex and the difference is I'd have to look at the comp plan in front of me but I would assume the row house is a different concept at that point too I don't know off the top of my head we'd have to look on whether Rouses are listed as the type of land use that's allowed in the single family um guidance which I can certainly bring up now if I sat down and looked at it but um there's a number of things that that have to be looked at okay does that answer I think it kind of answers my question so you're saying kind of like um as I'm looking at this right where that road is on the Minista side there's the houses and then kind of just continue it around yeah and just have like I don't know three like single resident lot three four maybe one down there and one by the lake or two by the lake I mean maybe you get one less house or something you know you're going to get less get aou duplex but you're also going to get double the price or more well it would look more I don't can't I don't know the financials behind it because number of more units that LE lesser prices May equal be better than lesser units at higher prices there's there's a break point in the market or financing where that works well I guess better Optics I mean like you said looking at it like it's a continuous neighborhood I I for myself anyway and it sounds like some of us are agreeing that a single family approach would be better um if you if you think that's doable um maybe maybe there's other options too but I'd really like to see something done that's for sure but we also want to make sure it's the right thing because it's going to be there forever so are you open to that idea I I'll bring it back to again it's it's going to be a numbers game we have to make it the pencil out financially if it's uh losing a couple of the row homes and breaking them up to more maybe duplexes or thre lexes and then having more space in between them so you don't have a row of eight houses right next to each other uh that might be something that we take a look at or compromise between the two if the dollars if we need something in a little more higher density for for dollar or market value so I think what I'm hearing is even maybe putting let's not called duplex like a twin home M like a side by side right it's a very nice kind of twin home or town home right that can almost mirror what they're doing over there and mirror the other side of the neighborhood um you know you still probably good are you looking for more highend rather than that's what I'm saying yeah I mean look at the look at the strip down consistent right here is I just wanted him to clarify yeah I want higher end yeah yeah yes is what I'm trying to say that that helps l so we have twin home TR over here a series of three of them along okay bartl or County roll 10 so moving so if you want Conformity oh oh you're you have twin homes that you're going to build yeah these are we were proposing these on the Minista side Twin Homes okay yep Twin Homes are there yeah maybe uniformity duplic that over there too that would you might blend that whole neighborhood together with the neighborhood was talking about having a more of a neighborhood look than seg graded look yeah I I would be a lot more doable you know I'm very glad that you're come in front of us because I think we all drive by that all the time and we look over there and we're like when is something going to happen when is someone going to step up so I'm glad that you're stepping up and putting money into our community and that you guys are doing this so and I'm glad that you guys pushed on changing this process because I think you're not wasting as much as your time too cuz now we can kind of vet this out a little bit before you come back so yeah I think that's if if you're hearing us right oh I'm hearing you um more twin home approach more single family approach um you know highend I mean would being really nice and again about that we'll figure out what we want to do down here it be our position is to not upgrade H said once we open up that Pandora box it's going to be we're going to be do a lot of improvements and uh it's just something that we're not in a position to do and again we like the idea of having this separating the neighborhoods and it lays out nice having the because of topography having the homes on that side to get the walk out natural walkouts and views of the lake okay where are you at in the process with Minista same process as we just right here yep we went with Minista we went before the part board we went before the Planning Commission and we went before the city council they were not public hearings uh neighbors were not notified okay for their process but they did have as concept level same thing same discussion okay sharing ideas and discussing what what they like and how we could approach it okay well again we don't want to push you away so keep figh and try to find something that works um we had a great staff so you guys I'm sure we'll come up with something okay we'll come up with something better you're different thanks thank you all right I appreciate it thank you thank you [Music] okay number nine we got 2024 crack repair and seal uh coding evening mayor and members of the council Matt Balman city engineer so part of the annual Street Maintenance projects that we work on one we put two projects up for quotes so the first one is a cracker crack sealing project um so the the area this year will be the 2013 Street Street reconstruction area so that's the southeast portion of the Island Park um we received four quotes the range as you can see up there from $2,575 to 6186 um MP asphalt maintenance was the low quote and they've done successful work in the city recently that I believe they did last year's project as well so we have a resolution we're recommending award to them okay does council have any questions all right we'll take a motion for this if someone wants to do it um I can make resolution accepting bid for the 2024 crack repair project PW 246 got a motion can I get a second second okay any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppose all right that passes thanks okay and then the next project that we sent out for quotes was the seal coat project so there were quite a few areas that were were after this on this project so the 2012 um reconstruction project which is the north portion of Island Park um the 2019 which is just one street of Sherwood U Lane the 2011 MSA route so Highland Boulevard idle little piece of Idlewood Drive and then Ridgewood Road Ridgewood Boulevard I can't remember off the top of my head and then the farthest South or farthest west portion of tuxedo boulevards are all parts of the seal coat portion and then similar to that we're getting some um some of the city's Lots parking lots fog sealed to also extend their life would but they don't require the chips on there um so that would be the parking lots around City Hall fire station and then the Public Works Lots all part of the those quotes we requested quotes from three contractors we received received them back from two uh the low was $15,999 75 from Alli blacktop um the high was just just over $200,000 so we are recommending award to Allied blacktop for the seal code 2024 seal code project okay does any Council have any question for him may I ask what fog ceiling is so it's just just the black just the black coating and there's no small rock chips that go on it so the reason we do the the chip sealing is that uh you put the chips on there you can drive over it basically right afterwards it doesn't the the chips Drive in they kind of help add some friction back to it the fog ceiling doesn't do that but it it it does a similar extends the life of the surface and that's what but you can't drive on it right away yeah so you got to stay off of it for 4 hours so parking lots are work pretty well for that got it thank you okay any other questions all right can I get a motion for this one I'd like to make a resolution accepting bid for the 2024 sealed code project PW 2407 all right got a motion can I get a second second any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those opposed all right that passes all right all right thank you appreciate it um do you do you got a quick minute I just got a quick question on something else um can you explain all the sidewalk repair Downtown Mountain or what's happening yeah so henip county is in the process of their um Ada sidewalk improvements so their typical process is they'll come in a year before their millon overlays and they'll do Ada so um pedestrian access route improvements to anything that's basically going to affect the the edge of the roadway to do those repairs so that's that's what they've started here they they've it's part of a much bigger project they're jumping all over the county and so they they're just getting into into town here now so as you saw the the removals and are done basically and they they're getting the forms up for getting the concrete in here pretty soon so so it looks like the forms are ready to go for some of them so they'll just pour that next few days you should see concrete showing up cool yeah it's it's going to be a busy corridor okay for the next for the whole season so um Old Lake Shore um from the ice cream store yeah to um 15 are we going to fix that soon that is I believe we we added that into the most recent update of the capital Improvement program um so we'll be looking at that here pretty shortly we should we need to figure out what we're doing there exactly is once our Tesla is done we should get on that we should move that up and have a final goodlooking product right um one other question since we're on that too the entrance and exit out of Essa you know that new road that we're going to call it um are we changing that at all do you know no you guys know no so the what was auditor the entrance off of Commerce in 110 and that is staying the same that's actually going to Loop um Tam Maran and then up to Old Shoreline okay so we could still take it to yeah so that piece of it is still City street there and then their driveway is going to come off of that where the the property line and so Maran they just put new down so we'll kind of finalize all that then yeah that that that's not the final product that's on Maran that it needs to be wider than that it needs to get back to city city street with but it was usable for the winter so maybe when we do finalize that we should get the in front of the ice cream shop get that done to cuz yeah that's terrible we go there to get ice cream we're like this is embarrassing well it's not just for our T too it's like they just readed their building and yeah well I know they're ripping some of that stuff up one more question M so on uh the main road there you know they did some pipe work or something and they patched that section yeah I believe Michaels was or yeah was it Michaels doing some work there yeah uh I saw that they did the the curb and I'm sure this will get to uh council member McAn it'll make you mad too they did uh kind of a black curb instead of concrete concrete is it just black t i I haven't seen it well can you closely enough to look at that and that shouldn't be black the one little section shouldn't be tar or whatever it should be concrete the rest of the hole it looks terrible okay yeah we we'll follow up it is it's County Road there so it's on the main road no it's on Commerce on Commerce okay it's right right in front of the bank okay I haven't been out much lately yeah so I'll I'll remember I'm sure I'll notice it right yeah you'll notice it okay yeah that's interesting it it's County Road so ultimately it's under their purview but we'll we'll bring it up and okay if you guys can get tell them that yeah maybe it's a temporary thing but if it's not they need a pi yep agreed yesterday yeah well they're doing all the other ones so they can just add that to their list different different CR yeah okay well yeah just if you can add that look in it's right in front of the bank there okay thank you appreciate sorry you thank you okay number 10 we got Council uh reports so council member Pew anything um nothing okay council member Larson uh well the mayor and I uh and I the two of us attended our Fire Commission meetings meetings with the nest we have had two meetings since our last council meeting and uh we are discussing and this is going to be a lot of work but we're in the process of discussing the future Fire Protection Program for the Westlake L minaka area and making some um changes to what what we're doing now um and that's going to take a lot of work but that's all I have okay and then counil member mechan um you know I don't I mostly am just as the reality of Surf Site unfolds I mean I I I just it's unforgivable to me the amount of Green Space we have robbed from the residents of Mount and you know that sort of leads me to parking mayor hold you drive by there all day I'm sure you noticed all weekend it was jam-packed in both parking lots um there were people playing volleyball you know this is this is with no playground there were people playing volleyball all weekend grilling all weekend do thr all pushed down to the stinky Pond area um all weekend long and I I think Jesse you've got some information on this but all weekend long the ramp parking lot was full of vehicles with trailers you know there were cops down there I drive in there was nothing on anybody's windows so again if we are going to take this and be proactive with it we have got to enforce and I I went in to talk to the cops just like I did last year every time during the summer and as I was turning around up you know on Highland to get back down real quick he was already pulling out so I drove up to all the vehicles in the parking lot this happened twice that day this is Saturday I could see the cops talking to what it looked like might have been the owner of one of the vehicles with the trailer park so I when I drove in I expect to see tickets or something absolutely nothing on any of the four Windows nothing and I I don't even know what what are what is the ticketing procedure are there any consequences if these trailers get I mean what are what are the consequences that's why I was hoping to maybe they'll be there tomorrow at the WCC meting and I can ask but what are they putting on cars maybe they did something digitally that I couldn't see notices on their cars I I don't know specifically if there is something different does what would be a traditional paper ticket on their on their police v or on their vehicles rather um and we met with the chief and the chief Deputy yesterday and I was under the impression that a number of tickets were written um well show us proof because again mayor HT I drive by that area 10 15 times a day so it's really out of habit over 34 years I always turn my head to see how many people are abused take the rules so I Echo your response too I went in there I walked the city actually I sent him four emails while I walked to theot I did the whole thing all week and I saw four in there and I took a picture I sent to Jesse got and I said I went up to every single one of them I was like why are there this before the sign is up and this is you know but but still I was like it still said You know whatever the thing it says like April whatever till April 15th 15th and it was past that so I'm like doing the math I'm like wait you know nobody has ever had to worry about tickets there has never they keep parking there so we've got a nip it the bud right away this spring if we're going to take this seriously I agree I mean if tickets Towing I me I don't know what you got to do but they can't keep parking their trailer there and you're right it's taken away from our other parking which is the point of you know half of why we did it that way and we only have what 18 spaces over by the depot as it is so there there is no parking down there and and as I the reason I brought that up as you probably noticed it was packed on there and that's without a playground and that's without and it was opening fishing weekend so you can imagine what it's like on you know a 95 degree day all summer long it was the first beautiful weekend granted but you know there were I mean it was wonderful to see all the picnickers you know I went and asked everybody like I do all the time I want to see what our taxpayers are paying for Hi how are you you know welcome are you having a great time blah blah blah and we'll sit and chat and out of everybody both days they were all from Mound except one elderly couple who was their all D Saturday in recliner Church reading books just enjoying the beauty and I like to do that because I like to keep track of are we paying for mound residence enjoyment or are we paying for outside people's enjoyment and I'm going to really be keeping track this year you could ask them for like a I mean I don't know if this is feasible or not but like a little detail how we get the police report every other yeah you know like ask them what they've been doing specifically in that spot I have no problem driving right up and talking to them but but I mean for all like just to have like a like you said I want an update a printed update you know so I think it would be nice Jesse you need to reach out to the Chief and say we want update after every weekend yeah what did they and did they not do down there how many how many hours I thought we were having a guy down there for8 hours well if if the peace officer is going to be there Wednesday through Sunday then we should have a report from the peace officer and the you know officers that are Sunday night yeah yeah we should we should know what activities happen so we can gauge our opinions like Sher said when we started this we need to be able to you know look at this and do give it an overview after a month AG go what do we need to do to adjust to make this to make people understand we mean business down here we're this is not going to be allowed anymore so I haven't looked at the new sign per se but does it match does it match the other colors of so what if we do on the island right before you put your boat in facing the trailers what if we do the same thing there again and do it in red and just say well I don't think anybody know this the same but it's nice that we can point it and go it's right there I know but I'm just I mean are people not are they just doing it on purpose like they they'll never enforce it or is they know it's never been enforced okay well we need to start toing people then yes exactly and you know last year Abracadabra they made it really they they used to start Towing people because now people sneak into Abracadabra they'll actually move the cones pull in Abri daon but they had some cameras so they were starting to tow people all towards mid July on if I may speak about this issue because it's near and dear to my heart I'm not talking about the playground talking about the the Police contract with the city of Orono I the this is the failure of the police department of Oro not paying attention to us not issuing t tickets I had an issue this morning that caused me to be late to the Fire Commission meeting and thank you mayor Hol mayor Holt eventually called the police department were they there at the time you called yeah they were they were physically there that's what they said that's what they on okay um we're kind I'm going to say this uh yeah I can see them giving DWI and stuff like that but we need as a council to to start seriously considering moving away from Orono police because they're frankly they're too far away the chief is someplace else we we used to have our own fire we used to have our own police department and that week councel and mayor and with the staff they talk people out of getting rid of our Police Department that was here in M horrible horrible mistake that they did and and now I was told because I've been doing my own research on getting our own Police Department back it which is I'm told by a former uh police chief it's going to cost us $20 million to replace what we had years ago but for some reason that then I'm going to call them a very weak Council they voted to get rid of them one person on the council held his head up and said absolutely not we got to keep our Police Department so it wasn't unanimous but with what uh mayor holon and I are seeing coming for the future of the fire departments in this West Lake minaka area and the cooperation between them all and wherever that shakes out but Minista is going to be a big player with us not Orno they're going to have their own fire department or whatever the chaos is over there but I'm saying in order to keep the chanels of communication going between our fire department our wonderful fire department and let's say the police department I think right now the best move now this is only me this would have to be something we would talk about um but I think the most logical thing and frankly in my humble opinion to get better service to us here in Mound is that if we did somehow talk to the city of minat Trista and CU they surround us right now we would get faster service there was an issue down that Kathy and I both witnessed down there last year and uh the people at Chapman place called the police because they saw an issue down there and 20 25 minutes later Orno never showed up and you know who showed up minat Trista because they're Mutual aid for our city so I'm going to say I don't know if we need a workshop to try to get the ball rolling on this this is not the first time I've talked about it I personally feel we're going to continue to have failure on getting our ordinances uh followed and getting the ticket this is not something new this has been going on I'm here six years I personally know of six years of the chaos down there at Surf Side and the trailer parking and the so forth so I'm going to make a humble request that I've never had so many workshops I never had them before but I think it's time to coordinate with this fire issue and the service set we're going to combine I think it's more logical to move away from Oro and I believe their contract is up at the end of 2025 for Police Service and I don't know what the law is about not to them are this is going to be a big job this would be a big job uh it's been gently suggested to me by Jesse that this might take a study and then we got to see how much it's going to cost but I think we're going to get more bang for our buck especially for the safety of our constituents in this town that's one of the things that we're here to do is provide safety um is we need to look at we seriously need to think about a change so can we talk about having a workshop do I have anybody on my side are we going to uh so we we'd have to get what do you need two or three people for a workshop two people two two two are just the mayor yeah you but I mean are you talking you want a workshop to just to talk about it just to talk about just to talk about bringing or you know getting rid of or yep I would that's what I would like to see the feasibility moving away from that group from Orno police because it's more logical we don't provide fire service to Oro it would be more logical if our fire department and the police department were all same level of communication are you talking about a workshop to discuss Contracting with Minista instead of Orono yes specifically I'm I'm talking about cancelling Oro and getting a new relationship police relationship with minca but you know I can't make wave a magic wand and say you know Force Min interested to do that yeah do we know that they're able or capable or interested they need us as our our Council to come up with a resolution to say that we want to go down that road okay and then most likely we're going to be funding a study to I'm not against talking about it but could we talk about it at a council meeting does it need to be a workshop um are you looking to do this prior to their um contract ending yeah oh okay and I don't know if it's feasible I don't know we've been dragging our feet on this is something I was brought up before but I don't know if I have the support on the council for this I think it's pretty logical and what I'm hearing again about the absence of the police said yes I know they have more important things to do or they don't have the work they don't have the officers or whatever I understand that but when I talked to the former Chief of Police he and actually who is it we had another one Jason a police officer that was at the commission the Fire Commission meeting and he said when our former Chief am Mound police chief of Mount their number one priority was what Surf Side park because that's where they spent their time and we've just been kind of this is my opinion got worse it's worse the parking ramp it's just full of drug deals and yeah and all kinds of fun stuff down there so uh I just think we we just need a we need to make a change we need to make a change okay why I already hear two people it sounds like um you totally I'm not get talking about it I'm just like honestly asking what's the difference if we have a workshop or we put it on like an agenda item is that I don't whatever workshops a little bit more brainstorming I guess before we actually have something concrete to talk about can we get some sort of data or information like get some sort of data informationally what kinds of you know is it going to cost us more or less so the point of the workshop would be for them to kind of get some of that she's ground game stuff and just to see if we're wasting our money this is um so what council M PE was saying is can we get some data from potentially them Minista and seeing what kind of does Min provide service to St Bonnie yeah okay my opinion well anyway I think we need to care about our constituents and the people that live here and get the best service that we possibly can get okay and I agree with that and that might be staying with Orno and it might be looking at other things I say let's do a workshop and let's talk about it um not making any promises but let's at least look into it and see what kind of options we have again I think from what I'm understanding because I've talked to the other mayor about this is that they would they want something official they're not going to put their neck out there for something if we're not serious about it so if our contract with Arno is up in 2025 we should probably talk about it anyway she's talking about being ready to go I know so if it's at the end of 2025 then we should probably talk about it anyway I suppose I I told me a year and a half away um Mr Mayor members of the council and uh Mr Dickinson can uh I can correct me if I'm wrong but I looking at it I think it's up in 2028 but we have to provide a notice at the end of 2025 oh so that gives but that gives that three year but that gives time so that if you are going to switch to something else it can start when did the contract reamp up again was that just it was a 10-year contract it started from 2023 and we had and so in 20 19 20 somewhere around there there was you had would had have given notice not to renew for another five years that's that's why so are we stuck with the or not I I well I will say I just got this contract by 5 minutes I looked at 5 minutes before a work session yeah so I take a look at it but when it talk about the duration of the contract it just says here it renewed for that 5e period from so it's 2013 10 years another 5year period that puts to 2028 um okay and then but it says the impression 23 and then it says unless one of the Cities provides notice no later than 3 years prior to the expiration date of the original or renewed contract can you tell me well anyway cuz that's 2023 I think we had a former employee uh a couple employees quit in 2023 well no but remember that's you had to give notice three years prior to that expiration so that was about 2019 2020 you would have to have given we would had it done this a long time yeah I think I remember my conversation with Catherine so but so we're talking four years out but remember I haven't I've only I've only looked at this one paragraph So and let's find out what it would take to sever the agreement I mean what what be out if we if we can't do it now we should have some of that info prior to a workshop so we can kind of know what we're working with again let's bring this into a workshop setting and talk about it um and then yeah we'll coordinate on a day to do that okay you want to yeah you you figure out what you got to figure out yeah yeah I know well staff will and then you guys get some guidance and we we'll just chat about it um I again I will say just to make my own comments on it I'm besides the Surf Side thing I'm very happy with horno so I will say I haven't had any you know the same feelings now I've only been here seven years but um I'm actually I I really like oral police I really do uh I'm very disappointed with Surf Side and the enforcement down there very disappointed and they need to know that um and a lot of we've told them many times I'm tired I'm done you know it's like a bad child you tell them and you warn them they keep doing the same thing but um what was I going to say about that but anyway well I'll think of something think of it later I think just to change the culture of everything we're just looking for enforcement everywhere right you know with our water rental registration with it would just be nice for mound to be taken seriously and enforced well I mean we have a contract too so they should be doing what we're they should be but as long as we're not asking anything out of the mood you know yeah but how do we how do we get them to turn turn it around and actually do what they're saying they're going to do well maybe this will be the the fire well we thought it would be last summer too and it didn't we've been after it for a long time but you know let's hope for the best and prepare for the worst okay uh let's see were you done then do you have any other meing do you have any yeah was I ended already no i i j the mayor and I had are you talking about no you're done done done I'm done I mean I could go on and on but it's quarter to nine you probably don't want to hear anything from you got to be done by nine for stuff okay uh council member castan nothing okay um I just have a couple things uh we just talked about the orange Colin all over the city remember that's me Council and head of M County thank you uh but we'll get some new sidewalks that be good um we're doing uh a meeting the finance committee is it budget committee Finance commit whatever uh on Friday morning and I think we're doing two two different meetings kind of long meetings kind of finishing out or getting ready for this ERS final presentation um you already talked about the um our fire department meeting but can you pull up the pictures so the fire department did a control burn on Saturday I don't know if you uh so I I didn't take this picture I took some of them but I stole a few of these um from their website but so they burnt this house and uh well sorry this is a barn and then the house next to it and yeah that I think I took that one this was uh it was nuts uh I saw it from my deck on Saturday and I was like is there a house burning down or something was burning down kind of over as I looked North and then so we drove over there and I'm like why are people like just gawking at this and it was like one guy had a beer and he's Hing out and they're like right up to it well it was a control burn um so any yeah I took that one I thought that was a good photo this thing just so I went down the street and then by the time I came back I mean it was just started as a little Ember like you saw that other one and literally like 10 minutes later this whole thing was almost like that and then probably 10 minutes after that it seemed like it was gone just crazy so the good thing is that they get to train um the I guess the something to do with the school department uh School District sorry um I don't if they own this property or in Co coordination with them or something but um anyway pretty cool I don't know if you have anything to add on that no yeah it was a school owned property so that was in conjunction with them okay so anyway they I guess they did some trainings in there over the years or whatever too so uh so that was cool is that the last picture you got mhm okay um fish fries coming up on Saturday June 1st so I haven't seen I know they're out walking around I haven't gotten mine yet but uh they're walking around with tickets uh the fire department uh firefighters and uh otherwise you can pick them up and you go to City Hall or do you have to get a hold of a fire I think you could stop by we've got them you'll figure you'll connect someone okay um so and then this this is the Met Council thing right yep so you can see they had the meeting in here the other day but they're you know ripping up everything um redoing that uh was it sewer sewer work yeah SE or Force um so you know I've had more questions and concerns obviously about the Dakota uh Trail Crossing which is partly why I'm sitting here originally why I was sitting here uh that's still in the works it's it's it's ready to go it just we didn't want to put it in until this was all finished so you know hope again be patient hopefully this will be finished what fall yes late summer fall maybe yeah you hopefully yeah there's there's supposed to start mid June tearing into everything but it's I think they're only supposed to have a closure for a few weeks so like both ways no it'll stay um it's one way both ways until they this I think it was a short amount of time they might block both ways just when they're doing something yeah I would just follow the signs I mean because like most projects something could come up but um the idea is to be able to not have to shut off Shoreline entirely right so it said begin June 24 completed April 25 so are are we talking phase two or phase one that final completion is be April 25th they they should get the majority of the work done this year this year but then you're talking the final street level not just grass growing everything B yeah back back to normal so the big worst part is this summer yeah and then the final what do they call it overlayer reconstruction the top Street there's a little different because it's it's going to be like spotty work you're going to see bits and pieces kind of like the the sidewalk repairs that they do on they're going to jump around um so hard it's not completely relatable to a street reconstruction project with they leave the the final lift of w course off until the following year but okay just all of the getting everything back up to the whole strip until next year all the pieces back to normal okay so hopefully if they can do the part where the trail is crossing if they can be done with that then we can go ahead with our part of that yeah I understand that's going to happen first I that's SE yeah yeah the sewer will happen first is there a spot dedicated anywhere on our website for people to understand what's happening because it is going to be a mess and we've known this all year that this summer is going to be a mess H they sent out postcards well and it gives I I know but I think our website should be dedicated to a project like this for people to get information with yeah we do have um like uh under the news section we do have as much information as we have possible right now perfect um I think there's also a project can you sign up for is there like a pro I think there's a project link that they can go to to follow updates um but yeah we it's under news right now maybe just a link to that yeah to this this this deal that would be great okay and keep putting on your on social I I saw you did that first one right yeah we had the notice for the open house up there but yeah we can kind of just keep people we can kind of push it like remember to sign up for project updates or something like that yeah okay um okay and then on that note uh May thanks for all your help on the newsletter um yeah good job on that and then uh our next meeting is the 28th and it's so that back to Tuesday and it's at 6 so show up then that's all I got will no all right uh do you have anything I'm still awake well I was going to just mention we did meet with the police chief yesterday CSO that's going to be spending time on weekends but I based off the conversation today I'm going to have have another conversation and see if we can't um think about how things are enforced a little bit because you know it's it's interesting because I understood there to be police presence but I guess you know there's a missing link there so I'm hopeful that that can be bridged um Maggie got some news today that I'm going to jump in and take credit for it uh so Hanahan county is going to stop charging for Assessment Services starting at at at the end of this contract which runs through July of next year but they're exercising a statutory authority to not charge for Assessment Services in cities under 30,000 um so I think maybe that's pretty good savings yeah so that's something that we're we haven't gotten the official resolution we just got a call from h County today um and so the county will now be taking on that cost and so that's about 140,000 a year or about 2% of our Levy good job and so we're pretty excited about that big big feather in your cap yeah keep keep an eye on uh your county Bill though might catch it come back away but good for good for M yeah that's great and 33 other cities I think they said so that's cool good good and we did we interviewed three Public Works director candidates last week myself Matt and uh Ryan Public Work superintendent Ryan and we have a contingent offer or conditional offer to one employee that I'm one person that I'm hoping will be an employee before the end of June good so we're doing the background work on that and once that's finalized we'll hopefully be card in front of U City Council yeah we'll get to that so yeah that's exciting and we're happy with with uh with who we're talking to right now so good great anything else no all right I'll take a motion to adjourn so moved all right any uh a second any other discussion all those in favor please say I I those oppose all right we're Jour thanks