Welcome to the Mountain City Council. It's uh Tuesday, April 26 28th. Sorry, my I don't have my class. 6 o'clock. Uh can we rise for the pledge of allegiance? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, we got our agenda. Do we have any amendments? I do not have Ryan Preach here tonight due to illness. So, he's uh I suggested to him that if he was willing to come back in two weeks and if it was okay with the city council that we would do the Avon Park survey presentation at the first meeting in May. >> Okay. So, 5B we're going to skip. >> Correct. Take that out. Okay. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> All right. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda? Sans 5B >> motion to approve the agenda except for 6B. Did you say >> 5B? >> All right, got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. Those opposed. All right, that passes. >> Um, number four, we got public comments. >> Anybody wants to come up? >> Yeah. Give us your name and address. >> My name for my first comment is Paula Larson, 5713 Lynwood Boulevard. Uh, a couple of years ago, Council Member Pew and I were on the cemetery committee. I guess that's what we'd call it. >> And um, I didn't get to finish what I was trying to do, but I brought it up with our city manager. I'm wondering if the council would entertain an amendment or perhaps a new ordinance allowing um graveside owners to have right now you're only allowed one marker and if you happen to have somebody that's in the military service like my dad a pilot in the Navy and then my husband I have two cemetery Anyway, markers and let's say I should die. I wouldn't be allowed right now to put a separate marker for myself. I'd have to get rid of my husband's or like with my mom and dad, I'd have to get rid of my dad's. And I'm just wondering if the council would just entertain the idea of allowing two flat markers at each graveside. It wouldn't impact, to the best of my knowledge, it wouldn't impact public works because they just mow over them. They're not upright. Okay. And I'd step away and come back. >> All right. Thank you for that suggestion. >> Paula Larson, uh, 2316 Commerce Boulevard. About a year ago, this very night, I came up with a kind of a quasi plan for asking the council to purchase the commercial lot that abuts my commercial building right now at 2316. At that time, I was told by the mayor that he was interested in concrete. So, I'm up here a year later and I'm going to keep coming back if I can make it uh to see if perhaps the city would be interested now and entertaining entertaining the sale of that property to me or part of it. >> Are you talking outlet B? >> Yes. >> Outlot B. >> Yes. >> Outlot. >> And what you said concrete. What does that mean? >> Yeah. You said it last time a year ago when I was up here. You know, we don't want any parks. We don't want any flowers or benches. Oh yeah, I caught the Dickens for that. Um, but I'm just wondering, it's in the center of our town and I know the Commons Park is too, but I'm just wondering if uh you would entertain that now if I should go to work on it and perhaps and I'm going to bring in my son to help me. He has some great ideas and perhaps we could come in and present formally a new idea for that property. Yeah, if you want. >> Is that okay? You would you would be open to listen to me? >> Yeah, we're always open to listen. Okay. Anybody. >> Thank you. >> I appreciated it last time you brought it up. >> Yes. >> I like the idea last year when you presented it. >> I have talked, this was a year ago, I had talked to the gentleman that owns the ice cream shop. >> Y >> and we had kind of talked about splitting actually a different piece of property. So he would have entertainment places for his um ice cream people to sit. Um I'm working on my son is working on something right now with our property in the back and perhaps this will be something we could share together to make make that a happy place to be which it already is the ice cream shop. >> But if you're interested I if with your permission I'd like to come back. >> Yeah. Come back >> with an idea. >> Yeah. You mean like another presentation? make more of a um let's say more I I'll call it professional looking. Mine was kind of scribbled because >> um because concept, >> pardon me, >> you came in with the concept. >> I came in only with a concept, not architectural plans. There's another uh property owner in that area that has his property up for sale. Um and maybe I could I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but I might contact him. And also the um I don't know what's going on. That's what I'm telling you. Okay. >> So, you're thinking more of a green space kind of >> maybe. >> Uh I'm thinking a green space. I have a son that would like uh property there, a commercial building there. >> Yeah. >> With parking in the I mean, we're already working on it. So, but um I just was wondering if you'd be open to it if I came back with more of a formal plan for that space. >> Unless something else is going on and I won't waste my time. I >> mean, you heard my comments last year. >> Concrete. >> No. >> Um >> concrete. >> You keep saying concrete. >> Yes, you did. >> Uh okay. So, I think I don't know. >> You didn't want flowers and bins and all that. >> We have a park around the corner. So, >> yeah. If you want to do some kind of development, we I'd be interested to hear that. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> I think what I would be interested in seeing is something that is economic development. >> Yeah. >> That's economic development that either generates tax base or jobs. >> Yes. >> Or housing or >> Yes. >> Not just park benches. Yeah. >> Or concrete. Whatever I said. Yeah. >> Thank you very much. And if you could work on that cemetery thing or if you think about it, >> I I have discussed it with our city manager already. >> Okay. Yep. >> Okay. >> Thanks. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, guys. Thanks. >> All right. Any other public comments if anybody wants to come up? >> All right. Hearing none. >> Uh number five, we got uh presentations, uh utility rate study, long-term financial plan, Good evening, mayor, members of the council. My name is Leila. I'm the deputy city manager for the city of Mound. Um, and I'm excited to present the next phase of our utility rate study and financial management plan. Um, I know this is going to be a really dense presentation, so I'll start at the beginning by saying if you have questions at any point, just stop me. I think it'll be easier than trying to go back. Um, but we'll try to move through it, you know, as efficiently as possible. So, um, the city of Mount has been in the process of doing, um, this utility rate study and financial management plan since the fall of 2023. Um you can see there's a lot of steps that you all have taken to get through this process. Um we started with that FMP or financial management plan in in 2023. Um and we've added on that utility rate study. The utility rate study was something that was asked for us to do by the um public facilities authority as they considered our application for water treatment funding. Um and so we added that into the financial management plan. The most recent time that you've seen this uh come to you was last fall in November of 2025 when we set um our water and sewer rates. Um but this is also how we make all of our budgetary decisions is this financial management plan. Um the financial management plan helps us understand how much we should levy for taxes as well as how much our utility rates should be. um given the situation where in past years we weren't raising utility rates resulting in a deficit in our water and sewer funds. So a big part of this is ensuring um the strong fiscal management of these funds um and making sure that we can fund necessary improvements to the city um as well as you know having a I think a nice standard tax rate um that is planned you know well into the future. Some other components of that are really reducing our need to to bond for things um and becoming a little bit more self-sufficient on paying for improvements. So, this is a really long journey that you guys have all been on as a council and as an organization um to create a little bit better financial stability for the city and this is just one piece of it tonight. Tonight, I'm not asking for any decisions. This is just a presentation of where we're at in this process. Um, but want to try to kind of highlight why we're doing this as well as where it's headed. Um, after tonight, we will see this again in late summer, uh, as we approve an updated FMP and utility rate study. Um, both of those will help us set our 2027 budgets. Um so just for anyone who is tuning in for the very first time on this uh want to create I'm going to use a lot of acronyms this evening. Um so when we refer to our CIP or our capital improvement plan um that is anything physical that the city owns or purchases. So when we talk about um road construction or buying a fire truck um anything that is like a physical item that we would purchase goes into that capital improvement plan and we plan that out a decade at a time. Um of course we've referred to this already our FMP or our financial management plan. Um that is that large overall plan that helps us guide our decision-making processes financially. I'm going to refer to the PFA a few times. The public facilities authority is who um can help cities either through grants or through lowinterest loans finance large projects. Um a lot of cities go to the public uh facilities authority for water treatment plants specifically. And then of course again that utility rate study or URS that is the study that we've done over the last few years to understand how um how much we will raise utility rates to help us get out of that deficit on top of what those utility rates would need to be if we were to fund a water treatment plant. Um which is our next acronym WTP. You'll see this a lot. That's our water treatment plant. Um finally Ellers's name is on the slide. Kyle from Ellers is here as well to answer any more detailed questions that I can't answer for you. But Ellers is who has done this work for us. They are a municipal financial adviser um and they've been on this journey with the city um alongside of us. Uh the next thing that I wanted to talk about before we dive into these numbers is why are we talking about a water treatment plant? Um we did learn several years ago that mound water is quite high in manganesees. Um residents who are watching this presentation and yourselves as council members will remember that in March we did the state of the water on March 10th um which has a much longer presentation on the quality of water here in mound. Um but a water treatment plant would remove manganesees alongside other um iron and contaminants. This helps preserve and protect our private infrastructure. So both your at home toilets, so your sinks and your pipes, um because of those high levels of contamination from iron and other things, um as well as our city utilities, um we see, you know, those impacts from that contaminated water in the lifespan and life cycle of the pipes underneath our roads. Um we've begun some of this work. So, uh, we have that 2026 construction project actually began sieging last week, um, in the neighborhoods around Sorbbo Park where our water tower is. Um, so you're starting to see the upsizing of our pipes in preparation for um, doing a water treatment plant should we choose to do that. So, that's tied into that larger um water tower project where we're repainting and recoding the water tower as well as upsizing our water manes um and replacing some of those water services. That work is about $12 million of work that has been 100% funded through uh state and federal tax dollars. Um, so when we talk about the total project cost for a water treatment plant, we talk about it inclusive of that construction cost work that is being done um, this summer and fall. I'm going to pause in case anyone has any questions about this current construction project. >> So the 12 million is actually from the 12.3 million we've already received from state and federal funds. >> Yes, council member Mcanini. the project that we're doing this year is is that cost and that is what those funds are helping us reimburse. >> Thank you. >> Yep. >> Great. All right. So, as I said, we've been on the journey of this utility rate study for a while. This current pro part of the project has been broken into two phases. Again, we completed that first phase in 2025 when we set our 2026 utility rate studies. I'm sorry, our 2026 utility rates. Um, that accounted for our changes in that that CIP, those capital improvements, um, consumption of water, and then our Met Council charges, um, helped bridge that gap between where we were in rates and where we might need to go if we were to build a water treatment plant. Um, and again, set those water and sewer rates. So phase two, which is what we're going to talk through tonight, um analyzes that funding scenario for a water treatment plant. It accounts for franchise fees and then helps us plan for a final update of that FMP later this fall. Um so I'm not going to get into the FMP component of this tonight, only the utility rate component. So, as we talk about um what this might look like for constructing a water treatment plant, um what we're going to present tonight is the most conservative approach. Obviously, everyone in the council knows that we have been asking the legislature for bonding dollars. Um but it's very uncertain to us what we would receive in terms of bonding dollars. Um we've had great conversations with our legislators. Um, some of our members have talked to them directly. Um, member, you know, Mayor Holt and member Pew went to city day on the Hill and and they were alongside many cities who are bringing up similar water concerns. Um, and being one of many cities with these problems um is a challenge because there's limited funds and so we expect that the legislative session will conclude midmay and we'll know then uh what the bonding outlook will look like for cities. um we've gotten signaled that we should expect to receive some money, but that is all dependent on everyone agreeing on a bonding bill. And so tonight, we're showing a scenario that does not include bonding dollars. Um so, anything that you're going to see tonight could be reduced. The cost could be reduced should we get um the $15 million we asked for, should we get less than $15 million. Um but we want to present to you uh what would be the scenario without that additional funding from the state. Um what this scenario also includes is that increase in franchise fees um every other year from 2027 to 2031. Franchise fees are that fee that comes on utility bills, gas and electric bills um which will generate an additional $5.4 million in revenue over the course of those years. We're also um planning for $3 million of a grant from the public facilities authority. We're going to talk about both a grant and a loan from the public facilities authority, but we are making that assumption that we would get that $3 million from them. Um so we have a lot of moving pieces here, but again, I think we've made a fairly conservative path forward that would likely change. I'm going to preview that like this is a very um you know something that is likely going to have additional information whether that additional information is that we did not get bonding dollars or that we did or that loan rates change, interest rates change, there are a lot of factors here and so this will come again before the council later this summer um where we'll have sort of those final numbers and scenarios buttoned up. Um but we are working with a couple of assumptions. So cost um in terms of water treatment. So as we mentioned that $12 million of site preparation that's happening this year 2026 is underway and that is what we've used state and f federal funding sources for to date. Um that leaves about $30 million on the construction of the actual water treatment plant itself. So to get ready for the water treatment plant, we needed to spend 12 million um which we have spent and was fully funded. And so what we're really talking about tonight in terms of the utility rate study is that $30 million. Um that $30 million is a very um is an estimate that we've received from Bolton and Mink. It could be lower than that. Um it could be slightly higher than that. What we've seen from other communities is that bids are coming in quite fairly. So we don't expect it to go above that $30 million. So the funding stack for this again we are talking about it holistically as $42 million. We've already received 12. We again are making that assumption that we are going to receive that $3 million from the PFA. And then the gap that we are planning to bridge that with is through a PFA loan. So these are lowterest loans that are provided to us through the PFA. um that would help us bridge that gap. Um but we do obviously need to pay that back. Before I move on, does anyone have any questions about the cost and the funding stack here? >> You talk about the the term of the loan and the interest rate of the loan that we're thinking about. >> Yeah, Mayor Holt, that's a great call out. So, right now, what you're going to see in front of you is a funding scenario that is a 20-year loan length um at about 2% interest rate. uh we will not know until we have bids on the construction costs how long of a term the PFA would offer us and how low of an interest rate. So, those are some more variables that could bring down the the monthly or, you know, annual cost of this to taxpayers is that if we're able to extend this over 30 years rather than 20 years, obviously that's a really um big change in how much that would cost monthly or annually. As well as the interest rate has a similar calculation, more similar to a grant program than like when we bond for money. they're basing it based off of like our annual income, how much the project costs, um, and some other factors that are at the authority of the PFA. Um, so we may be able to reduce that from 2% to 1%. Some of those variables we just won't know again until we get a little bit later into the construction costs of the project. All right. So, one question that we receive a lot is, is my water bill going to go up? Um, and the reality is is even if we don't build a water treatment plant, water bills will need to rise. Um, and I think this is a just an important level setting that I want to do with each of you and also with your constituents is that um right now we exist in a cash deficit in the water fund. Um, the only way to get out of this deficit is to raise water bills. we need to infuse this fund into to having our target cash. Um and so regardless like the stage that we're setting for this whether we do a water treatment plant or not is that water weight rates will rise. The question is how much and what do we get for that rate rise right? So um if we do nothing residents will still pay more. um if residents are willing to pay slightly more and the council is willing to play slightly more, we will also get a water treatment plant out of that. So these are projected cash balances um up to 2033. Um our target cash is achieved um in 2033 where we're a positive and then we also have some nice reserves in this fund. Um we also have no planned debt issuance um after 2029. So, this is, you know, only a few years away. We're going to be in a place where we won't be issuing any more debt um for city projects. You know, it's a big passion of this council is to get away from having to bond for road construction projects and other things. So, kind of pending that we have no big, you know, natural disasters or um big issues. We won't need to have any more debt once we get past this project and the street reconstruction projects that we have planned. So, what do water rate increases look like on a percentage? Again, we do expect to have those increases for the next several years. In a no water treatment plant scenario in 2030, those level off to a much um more similar year-to-year increase at 3%. If we need to take out a $27 million loan for a water treatment plant, um we do have a slightly higher increase year-to-year. Um I think this is sort of not helpful. It's at a whole it's helpful to see what those percentages look like, but I'd like to break it down by um what that's going to look like annually and monthly because I think it gives a little bit better picture of how that's going to impact residents. So right now we have kind of the three scenarios. What it is currently in 2026, what it will be in 2027, even if we don't build a water treatment plant and we continue to follow the FMP, and then what it will look like in 2027 should we invest in that water treatment plant. The overall increase between what we plan to target for increases and what we would need to should we do the water treatment plant um is $98 versus $166 annually. Um monthly that looks like about $816 regardless if we again if we don't build a water treatment plant. But should we move forward with their water treatment plant, a medium volume user is going to see about a $13 increase per month. I wanted to break this down and this is how I broke it down in the packet as well because I think can be really valuable to understand as the water bill increases how much of that increase is dedicated to the water treatment plant. Um and it's a very small amount. So if we take just that $13 increase in the water treatment plant scenario um that $13 increase is spread across both the water bill and your other utilities. So you'll see an additional $4 in franchise fees on your gas and electric bills and then a $9.83 um increase on your water bill. So of the franchise fees, most of them are going to fund that water treatment plant. So $359 um and then of that $983 $983 increase only $2 is what's going to fund the water treatment plant. And so, you know, again, we're going to see that $8 increase no matter what, but with when we add an additional $5 of cost, um, it's a very small proportion that is going to fund that water treatment plant. Um, and what I want to kind of call out is that a lot of our household solutions, softening, reverse osmosis, purchasing water bottles, right, a case of water is anywhere between $3.50 50 and $8. Um, if you're doing that really regularly, this is going to be a much cheaper solution is that smaller increase every month. I know that residential is the piece that people are probably the most concerned about the impact on. So, I want to stop here and answer any questions before I talk about multif family and commercial. >> Council have a question. Um just on the previous slide where it says medium user you know 14,000 gallons that's largely like what percent of our residents would you is that like >> off the cuff I yeah I could gesture give you a guess but I I have to look back at all the users >> okay because I think it I mean it was very very large >> cross a significant portion I think >> yeah it wasn't like you >> it's fair to say >> 50% of your users are at that or below that okay >> I'm comfortable saying that the numbers probably higher than 50%. >> Okay. Just curious. >> So, >> any other questions? >> I'm just curious. Um, yes. On the franchise fees, what are we currently using that money for? Because I mean, this is based on moving a lot of the income from the franchise fees over to pay for the water treatment plant, which seems like robbing Peter to pay Paul. >> Well, so >> yeah, go ahead. >> I apologize. You can take it if you want to. Mayor Hol, >> you go and then I'll add on. >> Yeah. So, council member Herrick, what we're actually doing is increasing franchise fees to pay for the water treatment. >> So, it's just the increase, not the entire amount. >> Correct. The the existing use of the franchise fees to pay for debt service and to help build up that capital reserves will continue. This is the increase and that's why you're seeing um that this vast majority of that $4, $359 is going to the water treatment plant. >> And that is a flat fee, not a prated based on usage. Yes, ma'am. >> Do you want to talk about our franchise fees compared to like average cities? >> Yeah, members of the council, Mayor Holt brings a good question, which is that mountain franchise fees are quite low compared to neighboring communities. I think over the course of this plan from 2027 to 2033, you get um on par with some of your like area um you area communities and some of the communities who are using this funds to do street reconstruction and what you know all of the things that franchise fees are meant to be used for. Um I think right now we're low compared to our neighbors. This is maybe I don't know if you were paying attention back then or maybe you were on council. I can't remember but uh I think this you originally looked at this council member Kasalano >> and we didn't raise them for >> they were like 25. >> It was like >> it was a long time. >> We were just stag and >> since 2018 at least it says >> I don't I don't God it was even more than that, wasn't it? >> Yeah. >> I thought it was a long time. >> Yeah. And even if we did, maybe it was just so minimal that we were just way behind every And again, remember we're Yes, we are pulling out of different pockets. We've talked about that. We've put it on I think every time we talk about this thing, we're saying when we talk about money, yes, we get it. It's on your Excel Energy and your centerpoint bill versus your water bill. The big thing with me and what I've heard over the last five years is don't increase my water bill more than I can handle. Right? That's what people are very worried about. So yes, you're still paying it. Whether it's this bill or that bill, yes, you're still going to be paying. That's why we're trying to put it on here to show people, yes, you are paying 1383. It's coming out of two different pockets. Still coming from your pocket, but it's coming basically three different bills. Your water bill, Centerpoint, and Excel. Well, and at the risk of being redundant, you know, we have brought up we were sort of left in the this position to have to go this route because the fees were kept artificially low uh for years and we were always going to end up in this problem area. So, >> we've been trying best we can to keep this as affordable as possible. Um but we were gonna be crashing down regardless um because this was not addressed properly. It was kind of reckless recklessly done years ago >> to leave us in this precarious position. >> I think was it 17 uh the residents came out and said my water bill's too high. Y >> they moved it down 20 20%. >> Yeah. >> Well then we reduced the storm water bill like 90 90% or something. And that was what had kind of prompted me to look into the like the franchise fee thing was that we were using it like the franchise fees are just unrestricted money. We can use them to put into the general fund or anywhere and we were going to use it towards the sewer and >> storm water fund to get those in a better position too quicker. But I like that we're being transparent about this because most residents feel that um franchise fees are kind of a >> have fun money, you know, and do whatever they want without being transparent about it. So I think we're approaching it really well. So the residents do understand where it's going. >> Can you go back to the uh sliding scale of the debt over the years and then how we're going to get out of debt and Yeah. So again to your point earlier and this has been going on for I mean since I've been mayor I guess we've I think all of us decided and Paula um decided to let's we need to kind of get out of the hole here and because the hole kept going down and down and down and I remember when we passed the is it 2021 or 2022 whatever the budget was where we we put the levy up quite a quite a lot higher than you know we've done in the past and that was to as you can see to make the turn. So now we made the turn now we're starting to come back up. We're still in the hole quite a bit and going to be that way. Let's just say if we don't do this even if you say no water treatment pent and not getting out of debt that's a whole another problem, right? This is just assuming hey we're still going to keep raising you know the water bill rates unfortunately because we have to to get get this right sized. But even if we said, well, you know, say there's three options on there. The option is don't even do that and just stay stay stagnant, you know, you're just leaving the city exposed, you know, down the road. And um because of our promptness on this and and looking forward and doing a financial plan and working with Ellers, um our uh debt rating has been better. Um was it double A minus? >> Double A plus. >> Double A plus. It's pretty good. Um and um I can't I can't remember the exact numbers but because of the better rating we you know save money when we do bonding. So I remember it was a good chunk. Um can't exact number so I don't want to say it but um so getting out of debt is important. We're cognizant of people's water bill because that's the first thing I said here when I came to this town. I was like what the hell is this? This water bill is insane. >> I came from St. Michael Alverbill and they have a JPI player and it was a third of the cost of our water bill and this is from 2016. So we've gone up since 2016 and then we went down to 17 and then we you know slowly kind of are kind of getting back up. I don't even know if we're back might just be just over when they lowered it back in what 17. So >> well our projected goal to be completely in great shape is 2027 wasn't it initially? I think it was originally 20 30 or 31 and now it's looking like 2029 we break you we break even basically. >> Yeah. >> It's still not a healthy balance but it's still at least I mean >> it's not negative. >> Yeah. And >> I mean unfortunately we all got to say well how did we get there? >> Well unfortunately we had to raise prices raise the fee. I mean you all got to pay for it. >> We could just say we're not doing it and we're just going to stay in the hole forever. We can do that. But I don't think that's you know fiscally responsible to do as a as our city. So go ahead. >> Yeah, Mayor I think those are all extremely good points around the and and member Mcanini like this is a situation you all have inherited that you're working to get out of and that requires some really challenging decisions that you have been making since 2023. Um which is the purpose of the FMP was to try to figure out how do we get cash positive in these funds? How do we stop issuing debt? How do we um you know steward the taxpayer dollar in a way that allows us to complete the necessary projects? Projects continue happening. We will always need to be doing something to our roads um or to other infrastructure, but um you know, you guys have been put into a really challenging position that that this is helping you all get out of. Um, what I wanted to add to is that we're talking about the water bill because we believe that all water users should fund these improvements. So, there are other mechanisms for us to pay for this. That primary mechanism is property tax levies. Um, the challenge with using the property tax levy to fund this treatment plant is that a lot of our larger users are users who don't pay property taxes. Um, and so that is why we're talking about this through the the water bill, um, is because we want everyone who uses water, even if they don't pay property taxes, to help us fund this infrastructure. So, I think that's a really incredibly responsible choice you all are making is to say everyone who uses water helps us fund this water treatment plant. Um, but, you know, one, you know, I think what we're really talking about here is $5. Um, I think that you all, my understanding is that all of you are in agreement that this no water treatment scenario has to happen no matter what, right? That's what has to get us to that cash positive balance by 2033 and and our target cash. And so what we're really talking about for this presentation is that additional $5, the jump between $816 and 1383. um is is that $5 what the city wants to spend um per residential household to get us to a water treatment plant? Um which is why I wanted to sort of show this breakdown again, right? Is when we talk about $5, um $2 coming from water bills, $35 coming from franchise fees, you know, is that the decision this council wants to make in a scenario where we receive no additional funds from state or federal sources? And again, if we get 15 million hypothetically, I mean, cut these numbers in half basically, right? And the reason why we wanted um to present this is we want to show here's the worst case scenario, assuming we get nothing, no more. I mean, we're we are assuming the the three million, but um and then we also said 20 year instead of 30. Again, if we can get a 30, I think we're going 30. >> And this is based on a 2% rate. It's 2% and there's been talk of a 30 at one. >> Yeah, if >> we can get 30 at one, we're taking 30 at one, >> right? >> So again, >> is it worse worst case? Yeah, maybe we're, you know, whatever. Right. The details maybe there there's a little bit leeway one way or the other, but it's pretty much what we thought would would be the worst case scenario. And you know, if we get a couple million from the state, great. If we get 15, great, even better. Um, they told us not to apply for 30 because they weren't going to give us 30. So that's why we applied for 15. Um hopefully they I mean we only got 10 the first time. So call call your legislators, help us out. I at our open house a few people came up to me and they they really wanted to hear the update on this and they really want it. I've only heard people that are very passionate about why when are we getting this done and why is it taking so long? This is you know taking a long time. And uh they said well what else can we do? And I said, "Well, I just sent a letter." Um, I I text them all the time. Our I'm talking about our legislators. I text text or call or email the people on the uh the ch the chair as well as or maybe there's chairs right now. Um, you know, anybody on the committee, >> uh, the the modding, we're just talking before the meeting that, >> you know, they don't even have to pass a budget this year, >> right? That doesn't mean that, you know, they maybe they don't even pass a bonding bill and then we're sitting here one more year. I really wanted to do this last year and it was well I really wanted to talk about this last year and just make a decision and move on and just again as you could see make a decision our decision to just take it on ourselves and be done with it and I was to my judgment better or worse you know we waited and hopefully it's better and we get this money and then because you know again cost of waiting even longer is then things just keep going up and up and up so hopefully go get something. >> Continue. >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, does before I move on, do we have any other questions about kind of this cost breakdown and that that $5 that we're talking about between where we where we will be no matter what and where we might be over the water treatment plant. >> So, go one more behind this uh the previous one. Again, we want to make it a point that it's 2026 is what you are paying right now if you're doing 14,000 gallons. So, if you're doing 15, 20, 30, right? You're going to be paying more because it's based on gallons. That's the medium. That's a good chunk. You know, again, like you said, over 50%. I think it's quite a bit over that, but um but remember, it's 26 versus 27. So, 27, which is we're going up eight no matter what, unless we all decide to reverse on that. And then do we want to go up 13? You know, again, we don't have to make this decision tonight. We just wanted to, you know, we've working on this behind the scenes for months and we just wanted to bring it because we said we would uh bring it back to you guys so you have information and we can start getting it out to the public so when we do make a decision this summer whenever that is and hopefully we know the answer of the 15 million or or whatever we get in the next couple weeks. I think we got what three weeks left or something. So, we'll know then and then we can start planning. >> And again, in my thought, I I want to go I want to go out for bid >> in the summer sometime, July, August, what, June, whenever we can get this thing together. >> That doesn't mean we're approving it, but we, you know, we go out to bid and then we bring it back in the in the fall whenever they they bid it out. And then that's when we make the the hard hard decision of do we move forward on our own. Now, obviously, if you go out to bid, you'd probably want to be pretty serious about it, but >> yeah. So once we go out to bid, we can no longer ask for assistance. >> I mean, technically, should we do be doing this right now? Not really. >> You know, I mean, we're begging for money, right? So, but it's still it's a lot of money, right? I mean, times all the people amount times, you know, it doesn't sound like a lot. It's five bucks per, you know, per month times 12, right? I mean, it's money. It's a lot of money. But at the end of the day, Yeah. I mean, we got to look like we need really a lot of help and we do. >> If we're going to go forward with this, I want to make sure that we're very clear with the assumptions that we made to get to this number. >> Yeah, it's all in there. Yeah. >> Well, it's not right now. So, that's why I'm saying >> it's in the whole >> presentation. >> Depending upon what we present to the public, >> if we're just going to present a chart like this, I would like to see the assumptions. >> When we do the final thing, we'll go through this whole thing again. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. and and council members, what we haven't gotten to until we got to this point, right, with a little bit firmer numbers and understanding what we would present to you, we haven't started planning the communication strategy on what that will look like. Um, with full transparency, when we met with the financial committee, Mayor Holt and Council Member Costalano, we presented two scenarios, which was the $12 million scenario. So, should we get $15 million from the state? We might be only taking a $12 million loan. Um, and you know, we discussed that as a team and with Ellers, our financial consultant, and decided that we'd rather take the more conservative approach here and say the worst case scenario, right? The most that we would spend as an organization would be this $27 million. So, we didn't want to muddy like how many numbers were getting thrown at residents when there's a very good chance that we don't end up with the funds from uh the state. And so, as we kind of know more, we'll continue to develop a robust communication strategy around how did we get to this number? What does that cost look like? And how does that impact residents and when? Um, and I think again, you know, one thing that I want to make is sure is clear to residents is like even if we don't do a water treatment plant, the path we're on is one where water rates will increase. And so is what residents, you know, want and is what the council wants to increase it to be able to get us over that water treatment hump to to kill the water conversation long term because we we're treating our water and that's going to significantly improve water and improve, you know, people's pipes, people's toilets. you know, we have at city hall a picture of someone's, you know, rusty toilet hanging up in a, you know, as a photo because we know that this is something that residents deal with is all of the outcomes, not just the taste of water or the look of water, but the way that it, you know, transforms their toilets and sinks and tubs. Um, so we, you know, I plan to bring a communications um conversation to the council in May and we can talk a little bit about our strategy for this as well at that point. Um, but overall, you know, I think that that's a great call. Council member Heric is really making sure that residents understand how the path of how we got here. >> And and I know I'm over 14,000. My kids take a lot of showers or something. >> And so I know mine is not five for sure, >> right? Mine might be 10 or mine might be eight or whatever. >> Yeah. >> For me, again, I think it's an over. The other thing, too, is Wasn't it 40 bucks? When we started talking about this a long time ago, we were thinking like 40 bucks a month is kind of the number. >> Yes. Yeah. Roughly. I remember we looked at both of these scenarios. We were like, "Wow, this is >> we we just thought this is a lot better than we thought." >> Yeah. Yeah, again it's thanks, you know, to you and and Ellers, uh, you know, for doing all this, but and again, you I know you're going to keep going with commercial and, um, >> again, maybe we'd want to say like a low user at, you know, 10,000, you know, 14, and here's a high user at 20. And by the way, in mound, you're whatever percent, you know, you're, you know, 70% are these. And you know, like I might be the top 10% of water users or whatever if you water your lawn all the time or you know, maybe we can kind of break it down. We could even say here's a picture of your water bill when you get I just got mine today, right? Here's where you see how many gallons you are. I should have looked at it before I came, but here's your 14. Oh, no, I'm 20. Okay. Well, it's not five for you. It's, you know, seven or eight. >> Yeah. And Mayor Holt, that's a good call out that we can pull all the classes and see what percentage each, you know, is it 50% that's a medium user and 20% that's a low volume user and put that together as well as some instructions for how residents can understand, you know, where they find that information. We want all of this to be available to residents. You know, I when people come up to the front counter, they call me and they ask me about their water bill, I always tell them, you know, I'm the WC manager. You can always call me. You can ask me any question every month. If you're confused about your water bill, you can call me. Um, so we really do try to provide that exceptional customer service to people when they have confusion about their water bill. We got a lot of it when 2027 2026 rates hit. Um, people are pretty understanding and and we do get a lot of questions about, you know, when people when the water treatment plant is going to be built. So we can work to put together a really robust communication strategy for that um over the summer so that people understand the choice that's in front of you later this summer. We we talked about doing like a one-page you know you've been doing amazing maybe it's you whoever whoever does this you've been doing really good uh marketing materials right so if we explain this on a onepage easy to understand this is here's our why are we doing this in the first place it's been an ongoing thing maganesees rusty water right and then boom boom boom here's what you know the impact is here how's how you pay for it >> by the way final decision we're going to be talking about this blank in the summer, whenever. And we'll throw it out on social. We'll um the next newsletter would be August, right? Maybe we could depending on when when we get this all done, maybe we can up the newsletter a couple weeks or a month. So, you know, residents can see that too if they want to come out to that meeting. We did that last year and seven people showed up. So, you never know. You know, I think it would be really nice and maybe you're already doing this, Brian, but with all of the everything going on down at Evergreen, you know, at Sorbbo, if you could put a code, you know, that would take people directly to all of our explanations on the website, which would be really helpful. >> Council member Mciny, in the park right now, there is a QR code. So, if you walk past the park, there's a big sign that um has some, you know, really beautiful information, well-designed, and then a QR code that brings people right to that page. >> And which again makes it even more important to keep that constantly updated. >> So, I live in the neighborhood right next to it, right? And I see it every day when I drive by. >> Um, and there's a lot of action going on over there. You guys are busy >> and it's good. I'm glad. Second, the weight restriction went off. You guys are just getting all your crap over there. It's good cuz I want to get this done. Get in and get out. Uh remember what they're doing is they're taking certain sections of the road. They're opening them up and they're what? Tunneling or whatever you call it, right? >> Trenchless. >> Trenchless. So, you know, the whole street's not going to be torn up, but we are, you know, having certain sections. Yes. We're kind of trying to say, "Hey, stay at the road so these guys can work." They're hooking up water. I know you got hooked up water, a couple years ago, right? I know that's not fun, but that's what we're doing. see some of water. Uh, so there's a lot of blue pipes everywhere and some are in your front yard and across your driveway. I mean, it's it's it's a lot, but it's something we got to do. I mean, there's no way we're going to get through this. I mean, we we got that we got to do it. >> It's actually pretty impressive. I mean, it's like one big gigantic jigsaw puzzle going the whole way down Evergreen, you know, and then down the >> hill to Beachwood down there. So, good work. >> So, when will the construction on the main road out here on Bartlett changes names. >> Yeah, council member Heric, I think we could give you a little bit more information on when that's going to happen in the next couple of weeks. You know, we have the phases planned, but you know, obviously a lot of what we're thinking depended on, you know, when road restrictions would come off, the testing of the temporary water lines, so that takes, you know, several days and then people will be able to actually use that temporary water. right now that has been tested once but is not ready for use for residents yet. Um so I think in the next council weekly update we can give you a little bit better a sense of when Bartlett will be under construction and then I'm currently building out um kind of an FAQ and some updated information on the website as well. Yeah, I would hope that, you know, based on the conversations that happened prior to this that we would get that started as soon as we can so we're not really in the m thick of it in the middle of July >> so we can get Bartlett up and running as quickly as possible >> when when we've shared like the Henipin County road closures or you know and then you know thank god that we started social >> seriously that's how you get information out and people in the past they want to do it anyway um seriously Uh, but I'm glad that we put stuff out there and people go, you know, I know you get the haters or whatever on there, but at least now the information's out, right? So, if you, you know, create that one page and I know you at the open house had the, you know, beautiful map and it said, you know, here's where we're at right now, Sorbal Park, right? And then next phase is going to be here and it was coded by the month or the week or whatever it was. You know, if we can kind of copy and paste that into something, throw it on social, hey, this is happening because that's, you know, live right up there. By the way, if you want even more than this, go on to our website. We should, you know, I think that's a good thing, especially the people, even the neighborhood. My son was out selling football uh pancake breakfast tickets tonight. And he came home and he said one of the residents, you know, in our neighborhood was, you know, saying something. I'm like, uh, well, again, even they were all there, so are they going to QR code thing? Probably not. So, I know there's maybe some information on there, but, you know, it's hard. That was one of the questions at the open house, too. Someone came up to me and and they're saying something about it was about water, but it was a different uh way with water, what they're talking about, but they said, you know, why don't you guys ever talk about this, this, and this. And I said, you don't understand. We talk about this stuff all the time. I mean, nobody comes and watches our three-hour meetings because they're boring. But we, you know, we got to push as much as we can. But it's hard because people, you have to eat it on the other side. And if they're not going to eat it, well, then we can push it all day. You can, we can watch our videos. We can throw it in a newsletter. We talk about water what 10 out of the last 12 newsletters but at the end of the day if you're not reading it you know so the more we push the better but >> well and generally people don't really respond until it affects them you know that's when they come >> knocking on the door >> exactly so I I think we're doing our part one of the things I wanted to do on our council is communicate better and I think we just did an open house right here's your chance to come to the open house we put a sign main right in front of our main sign coming into to the town. We threw it on social. We did a campaign to try to get people to come right on social. It's a, you know, um, we can do more down the, you know, hopefully do this and every year, but um, at the end of the day, you got to show up or you got to read our website. And I don't think I've ever read a city website before I was on council. So, I get it. I get that it's hard to just digest the information if you don't want to even go for it. So, anyway, let's keep going. There is a big feature on construction and on the water treatment plant in the next newsletter that should hit mailboxes sometime this week. So, if you haven't already gotten it, that will come um in your in everyone's mailbox. So, um moving on, what I have the rest of this is probably less impactful for all of you. Um but we do break this down by every user class. So, again, our multifamily um units. Uh I think this is probably more helpful in this context which is you know we're talking about a$124 per unit in multif family buildings. So this is uh modeled over a a building that has 12 units in it. Um again a $3.58 per unit on those franchise fees. Um so again this is a multi-unit building that has 12 units in it is going to see that $120 increase. And then the commercial impact um a little bit smaller at $65. Again, we're it is going to have that increase to $43. The question here is right that additional 20ish dollars here. Again, a medium volume user here. Um and that is going to break down slightly differently where about $11 of that water bill increase goes to the water treatment plant. Um and just under $11 of franchise fees goes to the water treatment plant. So the scale is really different once we start talking about multif family and commercial users. Um just gets a little bit more complicated especially with franchise fees because they also pay utility bills slightly differently um but still contributing um on those as well. And so this is where again I just want to you know reiterate why are we talking about water bills and not property taxes. This is why is we want those commercial users, churches, schools, nonprofits who don't pay us that sales tax to also help participate in improving our water infrastructure. So, what happens next? Um, by June, we'll know if we're a awarded state bonding dollars. Um, we may know that sooner. Obviously, it just really depends on the legislative session. Um and then at some point in July and August, we'll present um this was again just that URS, the utility rate study. In the um late summer, we'll also talk about the FMP as we start to talk about the budget for 2027. Um so both of those things will come back to the council um at the end of the summer. So I know we've talked a lot. Any last questions on this? >> Just one more comment. I think I already said this, but so again, say we find out in the next couple weeks in Mayish, right? By hopefully by June, if we get money or not. So if we don't or if we do, whatever, we'll redo these numbers. And then the plan is again mark it or throw it out there to the to the public, throw it on the website, say, "Hey, go look at the website. We, you know, all the stuff we just talked about, trying to get the news out." Um potentially even put in the next newsletter. Uh maybe we bump it a month and throw it out in July or something. um if we do do a meeting in August and you know go out for bid. Um but again the thought is July or August we'd have that other meeting where we would you know request basically to go out to bid and that doesn't mean we're approving it but it also is a pretty strong indication of interest that we're not going to just waste >> time saying hey we're going to go out to bid. >> Um but at the end of the day when it comes back and we finally see here's the bid right like we do for every other project. Just because we go out to bid doesn't mean we got to do it. Uh, and then we get the B bids back and um I think uh was it Miniatura? They just came back and they had a a more favorable number on their treatment plant. Um their new one. Um I don't know what the what this the rest of the state is looking like for for numbers, but um let's just say we're ballpark what we're talking about. Great. Then we'll update the numbers and um if we you know at that point once we get the bid back in the in the early fall or whatever they get the that back then that would be like the final make a final decision. Are we moving forward or not? Um I'd imagine when we're doing that we you know invite the public to talk. Would there have to be a public comment or we would do it anyway I'm sure. But >> yeah it wouldn't have to be a public hearing. >> Okay. But we would let we would let people come and talk about it obviously. >> Yeah. the mayor, members of the council, one thing that we could do should we get bonding dollars is just bring this presentation back and I could give it again with that $12 million scenario or whatever, you know, if we get 15, if we get eight, if we get three, um, any of that helps us. And so, we can always bring this presentation back and do just a run through of the numbers with that updated information. So, >> I mean, I'd rather error on too much information pounding it in than people saying we never heard about it. And it's like we've been talking about this for almost four years. >> So, >> thank you. And this was really well done, too. Thank you. >> Yeah. Good job. Yeah. Very good. >> Ellers and Leila. >> Yeah. >> All right. Number six. We're going to the consent agenda. >> Does someone want to read those three items? You're since you're back, you're you're the guy from Wisconsin. We missed your last bunch of agenda items. >> I don't know if I know how to do it anymore. All right. Uh consent agenda items uh just A through C. A, approve minutes from the April 14th regular meeting. B check registry for February and March uh 2026. and then CMCEES 2023 influx and infiltration grant program reimbursement. >> All right. Does council have any questions or want to pull any of those? >> All right. Hearing none. Can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> Motion to approve. >> Okay. Got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> All right. Roll call, please. >> Council member Heric. >> I. >> Council member McCanny. >> I. >> Council member Pew. >> I. >> Council member Castellano. >> Hi. >> Mayor Holt. >> I. All right. All that passes. Thank you. Uh number seven, public hearings we have none. Number eight, old business, we have none. Number nine, new business. Uh a we got purchasing uh card program policy by Urban. >> All right. Uh good evening, Mayor Hull, members of the council. I'm Lindsay Erdman, the finance director, and I'm here to speak with you tonight about the purchasing uh card program policy, which is an update to our current policy, the credit card purchasing policy. Uh so for our agenda this evening, I'll do some background on how the current process at the city works, and then we'll talk about why we're changing this policy or proposing to change it. and then we'll go through each section and the reviews that have uh been been made. So, for background uh and how things currently work, city employees who have a purchasing credit card or a PE card make a purchase um they take that receipt and they just submit it as is uh to the accounts payable or AP clerk. The AP clerk then codes the receipt and then reconciles all receipts from that month for the city against uh the credit card statement to like make the payment and then I approve the payment with like the bank data and like what our banyan our accounting system is telling us. So you can see in this process that there's not a lot of internal controls because the employee is submitting right to AP and that department head isn't looking over the purchase to make sure it's in line with public uh purpose doctrine or other city policies. Uh and so I'll get into why that is a big reason and main driver for making this uh policy change. So, we're switching from Elon Financial Services to US Bank to facilitate the PECard in the policy. It currently says Wells Fargo, and we're just not sure why. Um, but we do use um Elon Financial Services right now. And so, switching from Elon to US Bank will allow us to be much more electronic based to improve um uh from an efficiency perspective and apply more internal controls. And at the end of the presentation, I'll just kind of go through what the a new proposed process would look like if this policy is adopted. Um, and then, uh, the new policy will clarify allowable and non-allowable purchases as well as everyone's roles and responsibilities. And that we're moving procedures from the policy itself to a separate internal document that's maintained by staff. Um, and that's uh just so that we can have, you know, day-to-day management and make changes to it as we needed since the uh council really oversees the policy uh rather than the procedures. I like to think of the policy as uh what we're doing and the procedure is how we're going to do it. Um and then lastly, uh Mr. Lansman has helped us and reviewed um this policy and all of his changes like were adopted. Uh so the first section um in the updated policy is the policy statement section. This was formally called the the purpose. Um and the current language is uh pretty limited. We really like to see in like a policy statement the purpose scope and roles um or who is involved in the policy. And so this language has been updated um to describe the purpose of the program which is really to improve business related purchasing processes and to make payments to vendors in an efficient and costeffective manner. The scope is for city business um related allowable goods and service purchases um and authorized travel and this and who it pertains to is city employees. So the policy overview section is called the summary section in the current language and some of the language from the summary section. The current section was moved to the section I just went over and rewarded to and to fit the new program. And so this updated section contains other current language like p purchases must be made in accordance with the procurement policy and me must be less than uh $5,000. Uh it also refineses the nonallowable purchases list and we add on an allowable purchases uh list for clarity. Okay. And then we have a roles and responsibility section which is brand new to the policy um which clarifies like who is involved and like what their roles are and their duties and what they should be doing. So in this uh scenario the city council is responsible for setting this policy. The city manager is responsible for implementing the policy and managing the program. Department heads are responsible for ensuring purchases are consistent with city policy procedures, the administrative code and the public purpose doctrine. And PECARD users are responsible for complying with those um policies, procedures, admin code, public purpose doctrine. So if this policy were approved, this is you know hypothetically what the new process would look like. So, uh, employees will be reissued, uh, new cards, and when they make a purchase, they're then responsible for uploading and coding that receipt to the US Bank portal. The, uh, department head has to then review and approve each purchase. So, if there's any kind of issue with the purchase, whether it's like coded incorrectly or there's questions, the department head can um, put essentially like push the purchase uh, back down to the um, employee to get more information. And so we're adding that level of internal controls and then it can uh the purchase can be moved to the finance department for review um and ultimately approval of payment and then the same steps happen with uh bank reconciliation at the end of the month. Uh so our for our procedures as I mentioned that language will be just moving to a separate document that will uh live internally to the city. Um, and it's currently in development and will be finalized um, if this policy is updated. Um, and so that is all I have for you and can take any questions. >> Does council have any questions? >> Is this in response to us discussing the procurement policy a couple months ago to kind of expedite things, not get things kind of jammed up in city hall. So the um movement from Elon to US Bank was started like kind of right when I came on board and it was really to address the internal controls issue of making sure we're having the appropriate um layers of internal controls in place. >> I was going to ask if this was kind of also not like a response to anything, but it's probably a favorable policy to have for like our annual audit, >> the purchasing card policy. Yes. >> Okay. And we're even audited right now. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Good job. >> And then I'm looking for a vote. >> A motion to approve the updated policy. >> Is there any are we just doing that or there's no official? There should be um >> the resolution 262 >> page 30. >> I can just use our motion. I think I think it's I think it's just being adopted by oral motion. >> Okay. Just a motion to >> in the packet. >> I can do that. Are we ready to make a motion? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, I would like to make a motion to approve changes to um, FIN005, purchasing card program policy, formerly known as credit card purchasing policy. All right, got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. Those opposed. All right, that passes. Thanks again. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> All right. Uh 9B we got Lost Lake Commons interpretive and wayfinding signs Bman. >> Good evening Mr. Mayor, members of the council. I'm not Matt Bowman. I am Brian Simmons with Bolton Bank, your consulting city engineer. >> Uh what we have in front of you tonight and um do >> you want me to pass it over? >> Yeah. Do you have a do what's your preferred format for this? Because we have the pictures. Uh >> well, you got to see the pictures. Why don't you do your part and then I'll just >> pass on after. Sure. What we have in front of us are uh some interpretive and wayfinding signs uh that have been through a number of levels of review. Lots of work by city staff and some coordination through the park commission. Um lots of input here, but I think what we put together are some very nice wayfinding and placemaking signs that are going to go into Lost Lake Commons Park. Um part of the reason we're here now is that we're at that point in the park where we need to order some signs and so um we are seeking to move that forward. Um yeah, Jesse, that if you zoom that one out just a There we go. Just a touch more because there's one at the very top of the screen, too. Um so the the four that are circled in blue um are the are the maps that we're going to show in just a second that are sort of the wayfinding signs. And then the other four that are circled in red are interpretive. And we have four different interpretive signs uh that we have examples for you in front of tonight. Um for anybody that's having trouble visualizing this, we've got Shoreline Drive in the upper right hand corner. Uh the famous Mound Farmers Market sort of off to the upper lefthand corner and then um that area, the Lost Lake, you know, docks, the transient dockage area, I guess, is the appropriate way to put it. Um and then the park sort of through the middle there. And then uh we have also because these are kind of big and a little bit unwieldy uh but Mayor Holt does have printed copies of these. I think maybe the best thing to do right here is is to pause for a second and we're going to unroll some of these in their actual sizes and formats and let you take a look at them. >> Right. Not this one. >> Not this one. We >> of course we didn't bring this one. Okay. Just kidding. >> So that one's not on here. >> Correct. My apologies. Uh we spent a lot of time going through the list of all the things that was going to be on here and what isn't going to be on here. We had some back and forth about um appropriateness or inappropriateness of uh private businesses and ultimately landed on including the QR code encouraging individuals to visit the city of Mound website that gives them references to other things hoping that that would be another good place you know like you guys are digging the QR codes that that could be more of a living breathing updated thing. Um, and so most of what you see on here are sort of the the major public draws that are sort of infrastructure kind of permanently based if that makes sense. >> Um, can we make comments or >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> On this one, I felt that you didn't designate Surfside as a swim beach, which it's kind of major part of that that park. And also, um, where is it? Um, center view was not identified as the fishing dock. >> It does say fishing pier. >> Where is it? >> And there's a logo. >> Yeah, but it doesn't Okay, >> it says fishing pure left. >> Okay, >> we do we have the icon for it, but I that is true. We we do call out the park actually as Centerview Beach because that is the name of it. But perhaps that's confusing >> maybe. >> Yeah, I think so. Um, and uh, oh, and then the other question I had is I know we talked about this that we've had signs that say no fishing at Lost Lake. Um, and this week I encountered two very enthusiastic young men who were heading to the docks at Lost Lake to go fishing. And I said to them, I said, "I don't think you're supposed to fish there, but I don't think anyone will arrest you." But >> I used to tell my son, "If you go down there," he goes on his bike with his backpack when he's younger, >> and I was like, "If you fish there, I'm gonna get in trouble." Like, they're gonna say, "That's Jason's kid." I said, "Go to the actual fishing pier." >> So, are we going to ever resolve that? Are we going to allow fishing there? Why did we >> I have no idea. This is before me. I don't care if anybody fishes there to be honest, but for whatever reason, someone put up a no fishing site. >> Maybe that's another >> I admit to not know knowing the history. Uh, however, I feel that specifically on the topic of this wayfinding sign, we are not muddying the waters there by encouraging fishing on on the sign. So, I think at least we're on the same page. >> Council member Pew, >> are you want to promote fishing or you just want to say agnostic? >> Well, I mean, it it is it historically it's been a great fishing place. When the post office was there, Paulie, you remember? I mean, that's where people go because the the fish spawn there. So, it's great fishing. catch a ton of sunfish there. >> I think the no fishing signs were on like the end of the docks that like were um not public like rented out slips like some of the ones that have a little mini gate and then I think maybe there's another sign now on the transient part. But >> yeah, I could see like don't fish off the transient dock part, but there there's like that stairway that goes into the water. >> That's where everybody fishes. I don't know. Maybe that's a discussion for another time. But yeah, >> I don't know if I anybody cares if you're fisher, but >> So you don't >> I don't care. Okay, good. >> You know, but the signs are there saying don't fish. >> All right, Jesse, add that to a future discussion on why why that's legal. >> Not that anybody has ever gotten caught, but >> All right. Any other >> It's not technically public. me. >> It's not technically a public >> hearing, >> but I am on the parks commission parks and open spaces and I so I'll keep my mouth shut about what happened to the fishing ordinance on that area. >> So, the intent to use the QR tag is to direct them to the website which will house or list out all the different businesses. Is that what we're >> Is there a specific landing page because that can be updated easily, right? >> Yeah. I think council member Heric, what we decided at this exact moment would be that it would just link probably to a page related to parks and amenities in the city rather than businesses. Um, only because we don't have a full-time communication staff who could constantly update that page. You know, not that we have a ton of business turnover, but it is, you know, it is work. And so, um, we figured that, you know, that's everything that's on this sign as it stands is city infrastructure, city spots. And so, instead directing people to more information about other things that are happening here in Mound. Um, the the QR code could be linked to a different page on our website at a future time. You know, we've talked about, you know, using a sticker to replace it at times rather than replacing the entire sign. you know, we have some solutions for the future if we did have a full-time communications person. Um, but right now, I just don't personally have the capacity to like keep an updated business registry. Um, but it it is a long-term goal of business somehow to the WCC, >> you know, has a long list of >> local businesses around town, >> right? I I I don't know if there's a way to do that practically, but it's something to consider. >> Yeah. Mayor, members of the council, I think what we could do is create a page that's just kind of like around bound, right? So, something maybe separately different than we have right now that would have like links to the WCC and then links to other pieces on our website, social media, stuff like that. So, we can create a landing page that's more specific to what's to this QR code. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you know, as as we get up and running from there and people let us know sort of what they'd like to see, we can always sort of advance some of that, >> especially with that's the printed signs. These go to hard mode, right? Like >> bringing the best of both worlds together. >> Yeah. >> Uh >> yeah, these look nice. I love the um old picture. I it looks like everybody is maybe ready to move on past past the map. Um so we'll dive into the the first one focused on the history uh the background there. One of the old plats from mound with a number of the >> if I can help with the logistics please say so. >> No just keep talking. Sorry the >> No, it's okay. I want >> It's not possible. Council member Heric. It's noisy. Paper's noisy. Look at this one. >> Thank you. >> Very good job. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yep. That's that's why we have those printed that way so that you can both sort of visualize and and go tactile >> with the the size. You know, we're >> looking for readability and legibility, things like that. So you know the black metal kind of match everything else. >> I don't know exactly what the answer is. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. >> Sorry. >> Can you come up? >> Christina Brierly, assistant city engineer. >> Appreciate. >> Um so these will be the it'll have black frames. They'll stand about uh three or two and a half 3 feet tall. >> Sit at a 45 degree angle and they will be located around the site. Perfect. Thank you. Which creates the interactiveness. >> Yes. >> When it's at a slant. So that'll look good. Thank you. >> Your purpose was well needed here to explain how these will be in Kate. >> Uh so for first interpretive sign here focused on on some sort of far history things. You know, one of the original plats of the area of mound. There's some stuff overlaid on there. Um you can see the the present day Lost Lakeite Commons shown on there. you know, Bartlett Hotel calling out where Surfside Park is on this map. Uh, and then the whole interpretive panel on the left with some fun photos. And that picture in the upper leftand corner is the intersection of shoreline and commerce. Kind of feel like that's what what we make things look like when we build water manes. But, uh, like to think we're doing a better job than that. And these are the approximate size. >> Yes, >> they are the exact size. >> Exact size. And then obviously it'll be a nice >> So it's not going to get wet and get all screwed. >> So yeah, metal metal encasement. That's what I was just starting to say was I wasn't sure exactly how big the bezel is and whether or not it'll be like a a waterfall like disappearing on the sides or not. I do believe it will be visible metal, but then it'll be like an acrylic protection on top of it. >> Good. So it should last couple years. >> You want to add more to that? >> That's exactly what they are. They it they're just black frames on the outside. >> Yeah. >> And then it'll not have a frame on the top or the bottom. >> Will any of them have benches so that people can sit and read? >> Uh I I don't know that we we had a lot of benches, I think, in the original Lost Lake Commons plan, and I know that we trimmed some of those back. I guess I want to say right now we're not necessarily tying the interpretive sign locations to benches, but I believe the concept of benches and furniture in the park is something that we have sort of tabled for future procurement if I recall correctly. Um, so we we have eliminated most of the permanently installed benches from the park as it sits right now. >> So will these be in a protected case, but will it have some sort of sun protection? >> Yeah, the the shade or anything over there? >> Sure. The up the upper layer will be UV treated. >> Okay. So that it won't fade. >> I'm going to guess after a certain period of time it eventually fades, but um these are set up so they could be replaced. >> Not not easily so somebody could take it out and vandalize it, but that they could be replaced. Okay. >> So if at some point we wanted to reuse >> the bulk of the sign, the stand and all those things, we could. >> Aren't these just like kind of what they have in Weetta? Isn't theirs like this? I'm going to say yes. I I don't know that I'm accurately picturing >> uh council member Pew exactly what they have in Weisetta, but yeah. >> The Well, the one I'm thinking about Weisetta because it's the one I pass every day when I'm walking into work. >> Mhm. >> Theirs is like uh it comes out. So like you if the L is like missing or like the W is missing. >> I mean it's raised it gets >> so it's actually worse I think because this isn't going to do that. This will be a closed in boss. >> So they get and then I keep every time I think I was like I got to tell you that your dy's missing again. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um another inset panel about how mountain got its name. >> So I don't I don't know that there's going to be a lot of comments about these things, but I just this was a good time here to take a moment and sit with these things, see how they land for you all. >> Well, assuming we like this, you're going to move forward after this. It's also part of why Christina is here is because the contractor is ready to order these things. >> Okay. So, so part of >> if one of us doesn't like how we got the name or if you don't agree, you did work with the West Tanka >> um >> historical >> Historical Society to get >> Yeah. >> And we've already seen the cost of these and have we approved the cost? >> Cost I believe is included in the park already. Correct. Yeah, >> that is correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I was pretty sure we had a light up for it, but >> Yeah. So, are these in a structure or are they just an independent standing? >> They're in an independent stand. >> Okay. It's, you know, slanted. >> Is it like cemented in or >> Yeah. >> cemented in to drive. Very nice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But permanently installed is what I would call that. >> Not easy to be stolen. Not easy to be vandalized. >> There's that one right down on the street. >> Okay. Maybe if there's no comments on that one, is everyone ready to move on? Yeah. Thanks. the street that runs. >> Another fun bird's eye view here with a handful of buildings labeled in locations >> going down. >> You know, lots of things that don't exist anymore exist in different places like the Mountain Hardware store. Couple of inset panels here on the three different types of businesses. >> We also uh acknowledge here Tonka Toys. I I don't know about you guys, but I personally really like the old timey bird's eye view photos, but maybe I'm I'm biased as somebody who orders a lot of drone photos >> when it's fun because you the perspective it of it you can still picture this with new mount because it isn't that different >> and then you can sort of see up on the on the very horizon in this one Cooks Bay in the background so you can see some of the lake too. >> Yeah. >> Where did you like find these pictures at West Historic? >> We have like the rights for them and all. So the historical society right here actually in the building provided all of this information as well as all the photos. >> Okay. >> And then we took the highest quality ones. >> Okay. That we could. >> So we have a proto. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And they needed to be reproducible as well obviously. >> Right. >> Um if there's no comments on that one, we can keep rolling. This one's split up into the four panels here. history of Lost Lake, you know, showing what that looked like a long time ago, uh, and making it so you can visualize, you know, where the finale and things are now, acknowledging the Dakota rail and the depot. >> What is the font size on this little teeny, you know, I mean, are people going to actually be able to read this? >> Well, I guess that's the whole the whole point. Do we have a >> one of the print out printed out copies of this one handy for her to take a peek at? >> Well, I I was looking at that, but I was looking at pictures. Forgive me. I wasn't. >> No, that that's that's okay. Box size. >> That's okay. I don't I don't want there to be anything lost in I don't >> What is What is the box size? You know what it is. >> I actually do not know what the font size is. We >> We provide all the information to our landscape architect and our landscape architect >> takes these to final. >> Yeah, it's readable. >> Well, you know, if you call the Society for the Blind, >> it's readable. >> They'll tell you what's a readable. I think it's 14 and it's a an anvil. I don't Yeah, I don't I don't think we're anywhere near quite that small. I I think we're we're doing a lot better than that. Hopefully >> for both sides and everything else. >> Yeah. So, >> um little mention of the street car boats, just acknowledging that history in our area. I think Jesse can probably keep rolling. Um this one a little more on the interpretive side. uh more in some of the things that we do talking about uh some of the features in Lost Lake Commons. You know, we got the rain gardens and stuff there. Uh covering how rain gardens work and how they protect the lake, the differences between the different um I'll call them BMPPS, the best management practices, so I'm not throwing a bunch of engineering acronyms at you. Um but this is a obviously a little more modern, a little more uh created graphics rather than the the photos, but um just the proximity to some of these things happening in action. And hopefully this will help the park users connect, you know, what they see. Why is that a wet depression over there kind of thing? Well, no, that's actually a rain garden. >> I love that you're doing this because people every day ask, "Why are we doing those stinky old water basins?" So, this again is educational, which is fantastic, but people will understand that we have to. >> And here's why. >> Yeah. It's it's one more tool in our box to be good stewards of the right right >> for that for the report the M >> 34 report >> MS4 >> MS4 >> I knew where you were going and I think that's it for slides right Jesse >> they look really nice >> so there isn't a uh resolution or anything we just wanted to come before you before these get ordered because we know that there were a lot of opinions and we needed to solicit the um feedback from you all to make sure that once these were committed the signs that we didn't then get feedback. So >> So we just need a motion to >> right >> to staff or something. >> Yeah, might as well. >> Yeah, >> good. >> Make it official. >> Yeah, you you could motion to direct us to proceed with the signs. That's that'd be acceptable, I believe. >> Okay. >> All right. I think that's >> motion to direct move forward with the signage in Lost Lake Commons for the >> interpret >> interpretive signs. >> Okay. As presented. as presented. >> I got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any other discussion? >> All those in favor, please say I. >> I'm just curious. We have someone from the parks commission here. >> Can I just make one comment comment? >> Okay, come up. It's We're not supposed to, but hurry. >> Okay, let's go back to the first one. And I am on the parks commission. Okay, >> if I'm annoying you, I'm sorry, mayor. >> No, I just want to be careful. >> But I'm so old that I kind of know all this stuff. But let's go to the first thing with uh Keep going, keep going, keep going. And we'll talk about the fishing thing. Keep going. Where do we get our names? Where's that one with the names? >> Back one more. Just >> How did mom get his name? Right there. >> Okay. Is there a report that you were talking about? Uh over here. Yeah, this is where I'm talking. Okay. You see you have listed west cona bays. Is this I want to know why we're calling our town of mound west tanka. >> Second thing is you have Carmen's Bay here. >> Carmen's Bay is in the bar. >> So I don't know why we jumped over if we're going to expand the how we got our names. I don't know then. I I think that's a red herring. Farman's Bay. I think we should include Spring Park Bay, Emerald Bay, um all the other little ones that are from here to Navar if you insist on using the term West Tonka. But Carmen's Bay is in Navar. And if you're going to use Carman's Bay, you should add Spring Park. You should add to all the rest of them. That's my personal opinion because that's an error. >> You could just remove the word West Tonka even. >> But then you'd have to remove Carmen's Bay. We have Jennings. There are some Jennings Bay part of mountain. >> There's a lot of bays. >> Yeah. >> Well, I mean Langden, Holstead, Priest, Harrison, I think a small bit of Jennings peaks into Mount and then So all you do is get rid of Carmen's and then call it Mound Baz. That's a good call. >> Yeah. >> I think it should be called Mound Bays. I know we're pushing to renaming the area West Tanka, >> but we're our town. >> I'm just telling you. I know that it's getting pushed and I think we if we want to as you as a council if you want to nip that in the butt I don't think we should call it west tanka base. This is mound >> mound bays and then get rid of carman's >> get rid of carmans or but if you want to keep cars and list the rest of them around the area that's you know that would be okay too but Carmen's is sticking out like a red or >> good catch. >> Okay so did we get all the bays? >> Yeah the rest >> we get all the mound bays. Yes. >> Yeah. >> So, >> and you might want to add Dutch Lake at all. >> Are we are we trying to be comprehensive with the bays or are we interpreting the history and its connection to the names of the bays? I guess is is the intent there. I can't read. >> I hear the I hear the direction to remove Carmen. >> And then that would also drive removal of the word West Honka because then we are focused on mound bays. But I don't know that we have history snippets for the other bay names is kind of my concern. >> Why wouldn't Well, you've got Carmen's because his sons Frank and Bettton >> started the boat freight business between Mound and Wisetta. But again, that's not related to mound. >> And can we also verify Lake Langden is not Langden Lake because I know I've seen it done different ways. Um >> I think I think the the real is Lake Langden. My suggestion would be if you want to keep >> those bays and all those lakes there just change it to Minnotonka Bay then but >> Lake Minnetonka. >> Yeah, but I thought we were trying to focus on our city. >> I like focusing on Mount and also if we're doing all these should we be including Dutch Lake if we're including Langden. >> Well, can we find out where Dutch got their name? >> Ask Sherry about Dutch Lake. >> Well, I don't know. So, >> well, I I think that was a good catch. And I'm saying if we're going to have all these, why isn't Dutch included? >> Well, Dutch isn't on the trail as far as I know. Is that correct? >> And it's not on the But that's up to you guys. I mean, it just people are Anyway, you guys decide. >> No, I think that's a good catch. Thank you. >> In defense of the deal here, it is related to mound. I don't know if we were specifically doing it says West Tanka base, but then it's and their pioneer name stakes, >> right? >> So they it is tied in and again it is there is a connection to mound. So in defense of you guys' work or whoever did this >> I get it. >> I do agree with the West Honka. That's a trigger word for me. I would say mound. >> Yeah. >> Mound bays. >> Yeah. >> Whether we keep Carmen or not, I don't know. >> But then it doesn't count as a West. I mean >> Carmen's is not a mound ba >> I know but is it does it touch at all mound >> yeah I mean there's because the the started a first boat freight business between mound and way it >> that's the tie in >> that's you could keep it >> but I would still agree 100% Paula get rid of Westpak and put >> get rid of that just get rid of that word >> well I would add mount base because the rest of them We're all mound bays except for Carmen. >> Yeah. I'm just cuz we decided Carmen's Bay is >> Well, Jennings China. >> Carmen's Bay is not in mound. >> Yeah. >> Does it touch any mound? >> No. Land at all. >> No. No. >> It's very small. >> Very small. Like it doesn't touch it. >> What? >> Where's Carmen? >> You could rephrase it to say Carman's Bay. >> Carmen's Bay is like Navar, you know. >> Casco Point kind of. >> Yeah. Is it is that same number? >> Okay. >> Well, yeah. >> Again, it depends on what we're trying to do here >> because if you're saying West Tanka Bay, that's >> why >> technically that counts as a West Hanka Bay, >> but doesn't count as a mound bay. >> Does it count in M. So, if we're going to change M, we got to get rid of CS. >> If we keep West Tanka >> or you can say Mount Westka Bay. >> Let's do Mound Bays. Can always be changed. >> Go back to Mount Westa instead of West. >> Mound. >> I'd rather I It's a trigger word for me. >> Yeah. Okay. So, just do mound. to Mount Bay. >> Get rid of Carmen alto together. >> Yeah. >> And then do we want to add Dutch? >> Gives you more space. >> I don't know if we want to add Dutch. I'm just throwing it out there. >> Well, if we're saying Mount Bays, it's not a Minnitanka, but it's it's mount bay and we have Langden in there. So, why wouldn't we, >> right? >> Well, technically Langden is connected, >> but then we'd have to figure out through the uh historical society what the info is on Dutch. >> I can see if they did provide us some information on that. Um, so everything that was written here was provided from them. Um, and I would have assumed that if we had something from Dutch that it would also be included. >> Um, let me take a look at our research and see. I >> I think I would just because we you fortunately brought this up. >> This is the signing >> and if we're going to make a slight change there, if we can include Dutch, if we get rid of Carmen, you have room there. show. >> So, so if I may clarify the direction so far. I'm sorry. Anybody? >> No, go ahead. >> After you, Kathy. >> It looks like if if you end up finding some information on Dutch, if we get get rid of Carmen, that won't screw up our sizing for everything. You could just replace Karma's Bay with some Dutch information, and that'll keep your layout specific. So >> the the other thing to add on that we don't have West Arm on there. >> We're going to name Malt Von Bay. West Arm is not included. >> If if I may in order of priorities, delete the word West Tonka. >> We're all in agreement. >> Put mound there. >> Replace replace that with mound. >> Yes. >> Correct. >> Uh we want to remove Carmen's Bay then as inappropriate under the list of mound bays. Y >> and then if we have appropriate historical snippets for Dutch or >> Dutch and West arm >> and West arm, >> if we have anything that ties in, how are those they got their name? I >> I can tell you that I already see a theme here is that all of the bays that we have listed are named after people >> and Dutch and West arm I don't believe are but >> there's still obviously history in the area, right? >> More than over here. Then just change pioneer namesakes and just say and their ties to >> how they got their name or something. >> Yeah. >> And then I'm not an artist, but you could do West Tonka Bays and and then continue it >> instead of go down. >> Again, I'm not an artist, but that gives you more room. >> And their nameakes. >> I'm going to tell them you said that. >> You almost approved this before. interrupt. I know you want to get out of here, but what you could do if that's like there, the Jennings, Harrison, and Priest, you could maybe move one of them up to where Carmen's is or maybe two of them up. You might have enough space if you remove Carmen's Bay to put a separate one for Jennings, a separate one for Harrison, and then keep free or something just to fill in the space so we don't have, you know, >> All right. So if you can find any data on Dutch and West Arm and then you heard what we said. >> Do we need to come back in front of anyone with that or are you okay with us taking direction and ordering the signs? >> I would I would say approve >> maybe run it by over to the city hall just to make sure it's accurate. >> If you feel like we would have an issue, just let us know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Or if you want to run it by call for noticing. >> Can we maintain the alphabetical order? >> Trying to see if there's any money. Yes, we can maintain the >> Well, you're trying to save the city of M. >> It's currently in chronological order, >> which is beautiful. >> All right, we good on that? >> Yes. >> All right, >> that's great. >> Now, I have a question. When would the signs be ready? >> So, the answer actually wants to get these going and has um >> Yes, >> we are. I would expect them in the next month or so, but I can't verify that until I get them back to the contractor and then he gets them over to his sub. Um, the foundations that are not already poured will be poured in the next day or two. >> And then the signs are once they're ready for printing will be able to get printed and installed soon after. You know, we've never talked about a dedication of the park and the signs could be a first dedication even though we may have other fir phases coming later. >> I guess I personally would like to see dedicated before I leave council because it's been dear to my heart and so >> we'll do it on December this summer. >> December 31st. Yeah. Uhhuh. >> Okay. Do I got to poll? No, the motion. The motion works >> at night with flashlight. >> Okay. So, I think there was a motion. Was there a second? >> I think we got a who's who did the motion? >> Um, things Kathy made. >> She made the motion second. Council member Hugh seconded. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we got a motion, a second phrase. I >> I don't think so. As presented means we had discussion and >> as presented and amended, I believe. >> I think that's amended. I think we said we said presented and amended. >> There we go. >> All right. So, we got a motion and a second. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. >> I. >> Those opposed, that passes. Thanks, guys. >> Thank you wholeheartedly for the feedback. We appreciate it. >> Yeah. >> Thank you, Christina. Thanks for >> Thanks, Paul. >> Moving this along now that it's in your grip. >> The park should or is >> the park is in motion. You will see the decking come up tomorrow with the new decking going down by the end of the week. So, >> wow. >> Lights have been delivered. So, they're coming in. electrical comp or contractor should be back in very shortly. So, we're gonna hammer this out as fast as we can. Well, as efficiently as possible. I can't say as fast as efficiently as possible. >> Thank you. >> Awesome. Um, don't go anywhere. Well, like in a minute. Just stay here. Don't leave. >> Okay. Council reports. Council member Pew. >> Well, I don't have anything really. >> So, you want to do a dedication, though? >> I want to do a dedication of the park. So, we should work with Jesse and staff and figure out a day when it's not raining >> to to do that. And if it is, maybe have a tent or something. >> Yeah. >> Or else Yeah. I mean, we >> we can create a little celebration. >> Yeah. Bring your umbrellas. >> Okay. >> Um so, let's work on finding a date. >> Yes. We just conferred briefly. It's going to need to be later in the summer. >> Okay. Yes. To make sure we're not standing around in >> grass that's still growing. >> Yeah. >> Well, and also that road construction that's going to be >> You can do it like August or something. >> Labor Day. >> After Labor Day. >> After Labor. Okay. >> So, let's start thinking of a day that could work for everybody, at least the staff, and then uh all you guys maybe come up with a couple days that work and then we can uh You want to do I mean, weekends are tough, but >> Well, that's what I was saying. Like, post Labor Day, everyone's not gone on vacation or it's like everyone's kind of around >> like a Wednesday night or Thursday night in September before it gets dark too early. >> Yeah. >> When's neighborhood night out or whatever. >> That's Yeah, that's August 5th or whenever it could be. >> If we're going to do this, we should probably wait till the plantings are in and the the lights are up and the >> everything else is done. >> Yeah. >> End of summer. not come see her. We didn't test anything. >> Okay. Well, we'll talk we'll talk more about it. >> Yeah. >> But we'll try to do shoot for after Labor Day. >> Um any other >> No, I don't have anything. Okay. I can think of other than you know, Gillespie's got lots of fundraising activities going on. That's pretty much it. And fire commission. We haven't met >> uh >> or did we meet last week? >> Yeah. Next Thursday. It's >> Oh, of course. And I'm gone, by the way. >> I'm not going to be I just emailed the chief and the other chief. >> Okay. >> And said I can't make that. And that's just a fire commission. That's not a partnership meeting. Correct. Okay. >> Yeah. So, you could you'll be there. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I don't have anything. >> Okay. >> Um I don't have anything, but I just a a comment unless I miss it. I think we kind of stopped getting the um Harbor Wine Spirits financial report in our packets. Don't recall seeing one from this year yet if we can get it added back in. It was like the one page. >> Yeah, I can look into that. Um Council Member Castalano, um members of the council, I think one challenge of that might be that we have only just closed the month of January. Okay. >> So that might be part of why you're not seeing that. um that might also just be something that we didn't know to include in the council packet. So I can look back at that and ensure that we get that moving forward. >> I think it was like just a once a month, you know. >> Thanks. I don't have anything. >> No, I enjoyed the event that we had last was it Thursday? Sorry, >> the days are all playing together. Um yeah, I think it was a very nice event. I'm wish we'd had a better turnout, but I think that'll increase each year that we do it. >> Um, it was very well done and um I thank the staff for putting together everything and and I want to thank Dan Dan from Surfside for the lovely cookies which we inhaled. >> I had my first one. It was really good. >> It was >> You never had a cookie? But yeah, it was a nice event and um hopefully we can promote it a little bit more next year. And it I enjoyed speaking with the police chief and uh the fire personnel and the people from Ellers and their presentation. And our public works group did a great job presenting what they do and how they do it. So that was kind of fun to learn and see a little bit more about how that day-to-day operation occurs. But yeah, other than that, no, I didn't have anything else to report. >> Okay. Um, I I want to thank obviously the staff and echo every everything you just said. I mean, and Mcne, thank you so much for I know you spent a lot of time and energy on the signs and it was just beautiful, you know, the the marketing material. Thanks to everybody that showed up and brought your pipes and all the different random things and it's really interesting to see, you know, all the Well, you weren't there. >> I was there. >> They just they had a great display. I'm sure there's pictures that you can see, but um yeah, I mean it was a lot of, you know, staff and >> um a few of us doing a lot of work, so appreciate it. >> Um the uh I I don't know. Can I say who the new police chief has yet or no? Is it public yet? No. Okay, I >> believe it is. >> Anyway, we had our interviews for the police chief. Uh we picked someone should come out very soon. So, I think I think everybody will be happy. Uh, tomorrow I'm doing a mayor's forum at Plymouth. I think there's like six, seven, eight, nine mayors. I don't know. I think I'm looking at my email, but there's there's a good chunk of us that are like, you keep your comment short. >> Yeah. >> So, we can get to all of them when we have a question. It's only an hour and a half. So, >> it looked like there were about seven from the Western. >> Okay. So, if anybody wants to come, otherwise I'd imagine it's going to be filmed or something um put on I think it's a league that's doing it. >> It's at the Plymouth um you know where we have the >> Yeah. Crown Plaza. >> Yeah. >> Where they have the meetings, the council meetings. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, >> I I believe that's in that same building. >> Yeah, it's at the It's at the city of Plymouth. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, their city um community center. >> Yeah. >> Um okay. And then last thing, just not to go too long because the Wild are winning two to one. >> They just scored. >> They just scored. >> But the Twins are zero zero. So you have time for that. Um like uh parks and uh furniture and all that kind of stuff. I know we've basically kind of approved but not. Um, so I want to, you know, I know we try to talk about in our workshop a little bit, but I think we need to get a game plan and get it going quick on, you know, let's fill. I mean, we have a big open park, but we have nowhere to sit. >> Yeah. >> So, I I think we need to figure that out. I don't know how much we want to have a say in that or if we want to just instruct Jesse and Ryan to >> Well, I'd like to see what we're doing. Yeah, >> that's the whole reason we pulled it so we could be part of it. So, >> do you could you bring that to the next meeting? >> Yes. Well, since we uh are coming back for the Avon stuff with Ryan, I'll just um have him pull together some things that we would traditionally put in some of the other parks. Uh, I I think Brian sort of mentioned earlier that the permanent structures were pulled, but that doesn't necessarily preclude us from having some something in the park. Yeah. So, um, >> yes, we'll just pull that together for two weeks from now. >> So, I know I get these magazines with all the park furniture, right? Uh, maybe you could bring a couple or give some get some, you know, here's, you know, a couple ideas >> and show us, you know, what you guys imagine. Um, you know, think about the colors and what colors we'd want in that area. Obviously, I think most of it would be like the with the metal with the rubber around it, right? So, it' be like longl lasting picnic tables. I think we were looking at like tables that that were like octagon around or something. Then there's different seats on each side. And I think >> I know one has to be accessible um yeah, ADA for at least I think in the whole area. I don't know. But just make sure we look at all that. Um I know a lot of us are like at Arder around and some of us don't. But I think if we had some and some not, you know, in that other area up north, >> um I think that would be Anyway, just throwing out ideas unless you guys have ideas that you want to give them before we talk. >> Well, I'll find out. But I know we were driving around somewhere and we saw some chairs that were similar to aderond higher up, easier to access >> that were made out of wood >> that were a little larger than an individual chair >> but not a bench >> and they were made out of real. They're made out of real like I think it was probably treated lumber but I don't know. >> I mean I don't even know. It looked like >> I don't know. >> Did you get a picture? >> No, I was driving. >> Yeah, get a picture while driving. No, I'll get some pictures. Yeah. >> And then I'll get them to Jesse, >> and find out if it's engineered wood or real wood. >> You sure they Yeah. I don't know what they were anyway. >> Sorry. Never mind. I'll get it to you, Jesse. >> Yeah. Great. >> It's not two to one anymore. It's one to one. >> It's going the wrong They pulled the goal or anyway. Okay. Uh does have any have any comments? I know you want to get out of here to watch the game an hour ago. Sorry. >> Listen, I got you nowhere. I'd rather be. >> Yeah. Good answer. >> All right. Nothing. All right. Um Okay. Next city council meeting is Tuesday, May 12th at 6 right here. >> Uh I'll take a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Got a motion and a second. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. >> I. Those opposed. All right. We're journ.