Welcome to the Mountain City Council. It's uh Tuesday, June 23rd, 6 o'clock. Can we rise for the pledge of allegiance? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, we have our agenda. We have one uh change. We're going to put the c public comments after the uh presentations since there's so many here for the presentations. So, we're going to call public comments now 6B uh from four. >> Uh beyond that, do we have any other changes? Okay. Hear none. Uh can I get a motion to approve the agenda with that amendment? >> Motion to approve. >> And can I get a second? >> Second. Any discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. >> I. Those opposed. >> All right. That that's approved. Uh we got our consent agenda. Does someone want to go through those? >> I can do that. >> Okay. Um consent agenda. I uh three items A through C. A. Approve minutes of the June 9th, 2026 council city council regular meeting. B, uh, resolution 2648, approval of liquor licenses, and C, pay request number one in the amount of 133, $427 to Tanks Co. for reconditioning well number eight, um, project 26-10. >> All right, we got our consent agenda. Does anybody want to talk about those? >> Uh, yes. I'd like to make an amendment. >> Okay, you want to pull which one? Um, I would like to add one. >> Oh, we do that in the consent. >> Sure. Well, I've never done that before. >> Um, I mean, yeah, you can add, but then it has to still be unanimous uh uh discuss unanimous by the council. >> Okay. What do you want to add for >> I'd like to add the amended motion that I brought to the city staff last week. Scott made an amendment to it and so this is the updated version. I have copies for everyone and or we can read it. What's >> I I would suggest in making it a separate item under that new business. >> Okay. >> This is regarding West >> because they're going to have probably have discussion on it >> about the road. >> So I would suggest a motion. >> Okay. >> To amend the agenda to add it under uh number nine >> to make it 9A. >> Okay. All right. Does someone want to make that motion? >> Um, I make a motion to add uh to 9A the West Edge conversation that Michelle Herrick would like to add to the agenda. >> You lost the title. >> Yeah, I I don't know. >> That's That should be good. >> Okay, we got it. Uh, got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any other discussion? >> All those in favor, please say I. I >> I those opposed. >> All right. So that's added as 9A. >> Uh so back to the consent agenda we have A, B, and C. Any discussion on those? >> All right. Hearing none. Uh can I get a motion to approve? >> Motion to approve. >> Got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Roll call, please. >> Council member Heric. >> I. >> Council member Mciny. >> Hi. >> Council member Pew. >> I. >> Council member Castellano. >> Hi. >> Mayor Holt. >> Hi. All right. All that passes. All right. Number six, we got presentations. Uh, Mound Fire Department, uh, firefighter swearing in by drilling, our new chief. Welcome. >> Good evening, honorable mayor and council. Uh, we're here tonight to honor three of our probationary firefighters that are going to be sworn in as fully fledged firefighters. Uh, just a few stats. This is the second half of our six-pack that we swore in earlier this year uh back in March. And uh over the course of the last 12 to 15 months, this group has spent 140 hours doing their firefighter one and two and hazmat training, 40 hours doing their EMR training. They've spent uh 24 hours at business meetings, 48 hours at drills, and then 36 hours at fish fries. So in the last year they spent 288 hours at the fire station and department doing work for the community and training and that doesn't even count the calls they've made in that whole time too. So uh we're very proud of this group. We're looking forward to honoring them. Uh we're going to have them all stand up. We'll site recite the oath together and then we'll have their families come up and pin them individually. Cool. >> Okay. raise your right hand. >> I state your name. Promise that I will humbly service all customers with an urgent response to their crisis with compassion, sincerity, concern, patience, kindness, and respect. soul promise that I will humbly service all customers with an urgent response to their crisis with compassion and sincerity, concern, patience, kindness, and respect. >> I promise that I will at all times conduct myself in a manner that reflects positively on the Mount Fire Department and the cities it serves. >> I promise that I will at all times conduct myself in a manner that reflects positively on the Mount Fire Department and the it serves. Finally, I promise to follow the policies of the Mountain Fire Department, uphold the laws of our state and nation, and the ordinances of the cities the department serves, and I will faithfully discharge my duties to the best of my ability. Finally, I promise to follow the policies of the nonfire department. I'll hold the laws of our state and nation in the ordinances of the cities the department serves, and that I will faithfully discharge my duties to the best of my abilities. >> Congratulations, you guys. INVITE invite Ryan B's family up to pin him. Fing's not that easy. Congratulations. There you go. I need myself. Come on, mom. Yeah, we are. These are all strong. All right, next up we got uh Chief Greg Peterson. 's uh city proclamation. Do you want to come up so we can embarrass you a little bit? >> Haven't you guys read? >> Sure. How much? >> You're a natural behind her podium. >> I got like four pages. >> Good evening, honorable mayor, council. She gonna get sick of all this >> kind of >> one to go. >> There was last I was out of the state for six days last week and >> it was 27 call outs for the fire department during that six days and so I was just kind of thinking be just a perfect time right now for the pager to go off. >> Yeah, perfect. Be good. >> Um well, we're going to uh kind of go down the list. We want to all, you know, say something to you. Um, before we do, do you have any parting comments? >> Thank you. >> I know you can talk. We all know that. >> I have a few things. I, you know, do you want me to go first? >> Yeah, go first, please. Yeah. >> So, I got a couple notes. Um, so here goes. So, people have asked me, you know, what's what accomplishments are you most proud of? And uh they say, "Hey, wow, you've got a lot of nice firet trucks over there, and I know you coordinated and bought a lot of those or helped." And we had a crew of people working on them. And I said, "Nope, not the fire trucks." They said, "Well, you spearheaded the public safety building. You were the owner's rep and that turned out really nice." And I said, "Nope, that's not it. What we have is we've recruited and hired great people that fit into our culture. That's what I'm most proud of. And the three key components of that backbone of our fire department and the culture. And keep in mind that before we hire these folks, we beat them up with this. We share it. We communicate. Understand that our culture is our brand and our patch indicates that brand. All the training is one component of our culture. Firefighter skills, EMS, our medical directors here today, and special skills like hazmat. So training is one of the components. Another one is hard work. We tell them firefighting's work. you know, if you don't if you don't want to work hard, you're probably not for us. But we know that hard work almost always wins. So, that's the second piece, hard work. And the third one, which is probably the most important, it is the most important, and that's commitment. Um, that's clearly the most important piece because these guys are all committed. So, if you add training, hard work, and commitment together, what you get is culture and success. And that's really what I'm most proud of. So before we let them come on board, we say, "Think this over because this is what you're going to this is what we expect and it really ends up to be good for us." I'd like to say um special thanks to our elected officials. You guys have been so supportive of the fire department and me helping succeed. our fire st our fire staff been a big deal for me. Huge supporters and I any firefighter that does this has to have spouse family support. They're probably as important as the firefighters and there's a lot of them here. If the firefighter does not have family support, it isn't going to work. So that's a big deal. So, my family, my wife Vicki, my daughters, son-in-laws, brothers, grandkids, all thank you. And I responded to uh this is kind of crazy, but 15,400 calls over my career, 1,200 plus Monday nights, all that. All great pleasure to me. Not necessarily great, but pleasure to me. And the success is due to the firefighters and the family. So, Just a couple other quick things and I'll shut up. Um, most of our people go about their business quietly and don't like recognition. They just do their thing. Their gratification and personal reward comes from seeing people's faces when we show up to make it better. That's really that's what they like. So regardless of the fact that they don't really like accolades or that, just give them a thumbs up someday and a thank you because they deserve it. So I worked for the fire department for 51 years plus. It was great. I can't remember a day when I didn't want to go to work. And so thanks to all of you for making 51 years fun and possible. See, I made it short, man. It's pretty good, right? I'm good. I'm improving. >> Yep. >> So, thank you everybody and thank you guys. >> All right. Well, >> good speech. Uh, we're going to start off. We're going to kind of go one sentence at a time down the road here because we all want to be a part of this. So, >> I'll start off with Council Member Costalano. >> Okay. Tonight we recognize and honor an extraordinary career of service, dedication, and leadership. >> Beginning on February 3rd, 1975, Chief Peterson has developed an incredible 51 years of protecting Mound and our neighbors. Over the course of those five decades, Greg answered 15,695 calls, amassing over 17,000 call hours. And those hours only scratch the surface of your time serving our community when you factor in the thousands of hours of drill and the countless other hours spent in events like the fish fight. And I'll also add 51 years. You're a legend. Thank you. >> That means I'm old. >> Okay. While he became fire chief in 1998, Greg became Mound's first full-time fire chief in 2004 and helped shape the department into what it is today. One of the most respected departments, not only in Henipin County, but in the state. This is due to no small part to Greg's commitment to service among his peers for decades with the Henipin County Fire Chiefs Association, the Western Area Fire Training Academy, and the Association of Chiefs, both Minnesota and international. You'll find no bigger champion for the Mound Fire Department. The city council thanks Chief Patterson and for his remarkably leg remarkable legacy and a well-earned retirement >> and I wide personally thank you very much for your service, commitment and hard work creating success with this entire department and the gentleman to come down the line next. >> Thank you. >> All right. >> Okay. Thank you so much. >> We're going to give you one little thing here. Um, so I know this doesn't do justice for all your years of service to us, but we're going to give you a plaque here. So, come down and do that. And does council want to get a picture with him? >> Let's go. Let's go. I'll go down. I guess >> you want to come in? >> You guys can. I'll get one then you have to come back. >> Oh yeah. I think I'll adjust >> toward a little bit. >> Jesse, do you want to be in here? So, I'm invited. >> Yeah. >> One, two, three. I like I like I know I Thank you guys. >> 17,000 call hours. >> Yeah. That's a lot. >> I thought it was going to be way more packed. >> Six years before I was even born. >> Good. >> We've heard >> Well, I was alive then. I'm sorry. >> I wasn't just a baby. >> Hopefully things math. I can tell you're like, >> "No, cuz you know I still remember the bicentennial." So I was around for the bsentennial. I remember that. >> Yeah. >> Not surprised. >> And I as I always say back then I had hair, you know. >> That's how long ago it was. >> Well, it's like this morning when they announced that Greenspan lived to 100 >> and I remember him. >> I do too. >> Yeah. >> Everything to me is a memory. >> Is that true? Okay. >> Next up, we got public comments. If someone wants to come up, uh, we'll give you three minutes to, uh, tell us what you think. All right. Can you give us your name and address, please? >> Oh, yeah. Jim Funk, 2940. There's another neighborhood. >> Uh, Kendra Andre, 2920 Oak Lane. >> Okay. And here, talk about a um, an old problem. It's been going on for a few years now, and I know there's been some work done, but there's still still issues in the neighborhood. And this uh particular resident at 2935 Oaklan um was right across the street from me is running a boat rental business. Uh it's doesn't seem to be totally on the up and up because people have a hard time getting information about business licenses and different information about uh you know how he's running his business. Uh I did uh put in some articles here code violations that I I feel are being violated by this business. I we don't have time to go through that all, but for your reference, I would like some feedback on whether you agree there's they're standing that he is or potentially violating these these codes. Um because I guess that's the first order business. Is he doing things that are illegal? Uh we feel he is. Uh in addition, it's become more evident that uh you know, it's posing a danger uh a safety hazard. We've had some close calls in the neighborhood because of the heavy equipment going in and out of there, the boat rentals and trailers, large things that uh cause people uh be able to not see well, parking on both sides of the road for extended period of time, just leaving a small little alley where it it's hard to see people coming out from a yard. So, those things are ongoing here. I did give Kathy some pictures, photos that we've taken um just since the season opened up. So just in the last six, eight weeks maybe those photos were taken. So you can see the amount of uh boats and traffic that's going through there. I know he's been talked to by people in the city and he has backed off or in appearance is backed off because he's found other locations to park the boats. We know where some of those are in the cities or abandoned properties. Uh but the boats then come out of that and often into the 2935 location to wash them, clean them, maintenance between rentals. So um the fact that he's not keeping in his yard anymore almost increased the traffic. Uh fix one problem made another thing worse. So uh and I would like Kendra to comment on some u eyewitness things that she has to say about the safety incident. Uh, so I have a seven and a four-year-old that live on that street. It's a quiet street. They're learning to bike. They're learn they're walking to and from, this is their grandfather, to and from their grandma and grandpa's house. And it was last summer late in the season, my son was standing in their driveway, and a car was coming. And I said, "Oh, hold up. There's a car coming." And he goes, "Yep, I see them." They pulled into his driveway to back the boat into their front yard. My son had to ditch his bike and run into the front yard to avoid being hit by a car when he was in a driveway. He wasn't in the street. He was in the driveway. Um they also have people coming and going from their house often. So there's cars parked on the street. So my children have to go around the cars to ride their bikes or walk to and from their grandparents house where then they're in the middle of the street to pass these cars. Um just last week he he the 2935 resident has four or maybe five children. Um he had a squirt gun in his driveway. He backed right over it and then he drove off on his cell phone. Um I saw him with his cell phone up while he was driving away. Um last summer one of his children's bikes was in the front yard. He backed right over it while he was trying to park a boat in his front yard. Um, so those are whether it's my children. There's probably 10 children under the age of 10 that live on that street. Um, I've talked to other neighbors that have kids. They're also all very concerned about their children getting hit by him while he's driving up and down our street, distracted on his phone or parking a trailer or something like that. Whether it's one of our children or one of his children, we feel like it's only a matter of time before one of them gets hit on a bike rollerblading, walking down the street. his kids are constantly driving up and down the street on um the electric scooters. Uh so there's a lot of activity on our street and he's constantly distracted driving up and down whether and then there's cars and trailers parked parked on either side of the road. So it makes like he said a very tight alley between the two. He could easily miss a child or a person walking up and down the street coming around one of those cars or trailers. So that was that was my observation. So, and then there's other people that have had she eyewitness. So, some of these things I didn't see, but other people see things happening and and it has raised, you know, the concern of the neighborhood for safety as well as uh you know, it's not fair that he should be running a business without complying with all the ordinance when there's other uh businesses um you know, fully fully complying. And um so I I know it's not going to be solved and and discussed tonight, but I just wanted to highlight this and and ask for uh you know, some communication back. Maybe the attorney can review this. Uh what legal actions could be taken? You know, what what needs to happen to to uh put an end to this? And you know, if business license for one, what is the address on his business license? If it's the 2935, that's clearly not allowed. That should be fixed or the business license revoked. Um if he had some other address, that's fine. Do all your business out of that address and stay off Oaklan Lane. Um those those are a few things it seems like going into the business license. I know going through these um these ordinances I noticed in there that the city has the right to audit his uh business records. So that may be telling as as to um how much compliance he is with with ordinances and state law. So, >> okay, >> Jim. Um, you know, I I've had numerous conversations with your neighbors on that street since 2023. >> And one thing I didn't notice in the pictures, but I breezed through them pretty quickly. When they were in Oklahoma, they sold cars. And are you still seeing that in front of your house? >> They do that in the winter. >> Yeah. And and it does go through the summer. Well, they have seven. I didn't bring that up. uh you know short time here but that that's another issue that that creates congestion and uh >> the winter there's probably seven to 10 cars parked in >> they'll come in seven to 10 and then all a sudden you a week later or two weeks there's two cars you know where they're going and where they're coming from I don't know >> okay >> that that's what I wondered if you had any proof of that because >> maybe our attorney can speak to what kind of uh proof is needed to put the hammer down. I I don't know. >> Well, may mayor, members of the council, Scott Lansman, city attorney. >> Um, as we have discussed in the past, um, the code enforcement runs on a complaint basis. Um, after that, the there's investigation to make a determination of any code violations with the um goal of any code enforcement to be self-compliance. and every tool we have is to push them towards the property owner towards self- compliance if there is actually a code violation. Um and then if if those avenues don't work with regard to um the self-compliance um it would be either turned over to the prosecuting city at prosecuting attorney or the or my office to do a civil enforcement. Um I would say that um with regard to the evidence or anything else that's needed um to show look at code violation it would be in conjunction with whatever um witnesses have with regards to it. would be um uh there would be investigation by the city. Um typically um uh the the city staff with an investigation will look and then consult with me to make a determination if they can actually see something there to figure out is our code violation and what what steps should be taken. I I know that there's from I'm hearing there's intermittent use. Um and I think that probably is going to take more than more investigation to figure what's going on. Um you know, this is now being brought to the attention, you know, has been to the attention of the city before. Um there's a lot of I will say that with regard to code enforcement a lot of times uh not a lot of times but there are property owners out there that will the kind of es and flows um and those situations while not impossible are tougher for the city with regard to code enforcement and it again it takes um continued investigation to make that determination and I think that's I'm assuming that's where we're at right now is is the investigation status. You brought it to the attention of the city. >> Is there anything else we can be doing to help with that investigation? >> I would I would probably talk to um uh staff Jesse um or the or whoever is I mean you can direct where >> that works. >> Yeah. And have that conversation. Um we I I will say that we don't want um you to be a you can observe but not be not to be a not not to put yourself in a position that's going to cause a not I don't say cause a problem but you know you don't know what I'm talking about with that >> we've been fine with them so far. There's not there's no like we're not worried about our safety. >> Yeah. >> Personally. Yeah. Um, but I would uh with regard to the continuing investigation, I would probably uh Jesse and and his staff talk to them and you can work through whatever you know is work through this process. Um, again, it's just a it is a matter of making a determination based on the facts. Is there one is there a code violation or is there something that can be enforced? because what we perceive as a code violation may not be one if you take it to the logical steps. Not saying this is that, but take the logical steps of going in front of a judge. Um but I'm not saying this is the case because it still it still needs to be um worked through. So hopefully that's that's helpful. >> Okay. Yeah, he he does when he he feels the heat coming up, he's good at going quiet and um >> it does calm down. But the last couple days, I don't if he got wind of this or or something, uh it's been fine. If he stayed like that, it'd be no problem. But as soon as things cool down, then, you know, it's back to business as normal. So, >> well, like he said originally, you know, we're complaint based. So, we don't just have staff walk, you know, running around the town saying, "Oh, your grass is too high," or, "You got too many things in your yard." >> You just don't have enough. >> You don't have the staff staff that So, unfortunately, you got to compl. I mean, this a lot of cities do it that way. >> And do emails count? Like I know several of our neighbors have emailed. I know it took me a while to get a response to an email. Do we need to be coming to city council meetings? Are emails counted as complaints? Like what is considered a complaint? >> I mean I would make sure you reach out to one of our staff >> is a complaint >> for sure. Is there >> as a complaint? Is there a complaint form or is just an email? >> Emails. >> So you're you're noted the clock starts now. Well, the clock started really in 2023 because we have many copies of >> again eb and flow. >> Yeah. So, thank you, >> Jim. In these photographs, I noticed there was a sheriff's vehicle in front of there. Do you know what date that was? Because obviously they were there for a reason. So, there should be a record of that, which >> a couple of summers they've come and they check his registration. You probably have the date. >> I I put the date on the back. I wrote some notations. I believe it was the 17th, last week, Wednesday or something. >> Okay. >> 17. Make sure you share that with the city so they when they do have to do some investigative work, they can contact the sheriff. >> And I noticed on the jet skis his his rental boat certificates that expired and they're 25. So, and then sheriff came and it was 26. So, he did issue uh the new certification. >> But that whole thing is weird because sheriff's you go to the sheriff to get, you know, to do your paperwork and get your >> boat license. So, it's very odd that they're actually making a personal >> appearance. two or three summers in a row that the sheriff has come to his home the boat and the large boats too. He he checks those checks counts life jackets and whatever. >> So >> I mean that that would be something I'd be intrig probably >> patrol to find out >> the registered license. >> Why does he get personal service? >> Right. Yeah. >> All right. So work with our staff. Thank you. >> Thank you. Here. Do you want your pictures back or >> do you want the photos back or can we have them? >> You can keep those helpful. >> Yep. Thank you. >> Put them with your stack of things. >> All right. Um, someone else want to come up? >> Good evening. Hey, can you give us your name and address? >> Matthew Meyer, 2676 West Edge Boulevard. I can imagine you guys know why I'm here. >> Let's ask a question. Thank you. >> Just a second. Um, since this is item is now item 9A, would it I mean we would it make more sense to have his comments I don't I don't know if it's because it's related. >> Yes. >> Would it make more sense to have his comments under that item as opposed to a public comment? I know it's not a public hearing, but it seems like it' be better to tie it together. Comment. >> Well, we still can still comment upon it. Can I? >> Well, no, you No, I'm saying you can comment on it, but item 9A just so we can keep it >> together. So, you want him to come back. Okay. >> Well, yeah, it'll be like in two two seconds. >> Well, I won't I won't talk about that. >> Okay. >> I It's on the same lines, but something needs to be done again on West Edge Boulevard. The 20 mph speed limit signs. It was a nice touch, but no enforcement of said 20 mph speed limit. Like this, it's a position to make it temporary, right? We're not talking about that. It's temporary right now. So, what what can we do to actually get people to abide by said speed limit law? Something needs to be done. I would like to see I don't know if anybody has it, but I'd like to see how many interactions with the Orno Police Department we've actually had on West Edge and how many tickets were issued because it doesn't seem like there's enforcement. They come through, they drive slow, but then again, everybody drives through West Edge. So, the police have to do it, the ambulance have to do it, everybody has to do it. Something needs to be done to mitigate the amount of traffic. Be it stop signs, speed bumps, temporary speed bumps, similar, you know, to a temporary speed limit. Something needs to be done. And it doesn't seem like anybody's really willing to do it. I know Jason, you live right off of West Edge. >> You're no stranger to that traffic. >> It's brutal going 20, man. It's brutal. >> Well, brutal going 20, but it's also brutal. >> I'm the one who's got 15 cars behind me because I'm like, I'm not getting pulled over. >> 20. I'm not worried about you driving 20 and it making you mad or pissing you off because you're slow. I mean, >> I'm worried about the people that are going 45 50 m an hour that are just >> totally oblivious to the speed limit or just don't care. >> Yep. We do have we did get the police uh records from >> I can't remember the dates of it, but it was from one of the radars. >> It's June 1st to the June 10th. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And then the OPD information was from June 1 till yesterday. >> Okay. How many you requesting the new the new data for last week >> and people are >> how many tickets have been given because it doesn't seem like it's getting through anybody's heads. >> Do you know how many tickets they've given? >> Zero. >> There was >> for speeding >> zero. >> I don't know. >> I I know I personally saw them pull over one guy. I mean I'm not up there every day. >> Well, this is through the 10th. Yeah. >> I think more recently they've been >> Oh, yeah. Well, recently I mean that's what matters. This is 1 through 10. >> This is 1 through This is >> I'm just saying I saw them pull someone over the other day. >> Yeah. >> When I was driving up there, actually, we were >> walking to the right. He was pulling someone over going by your house up towards uh to the south. >> Okay. >> Um and then I This doesn't affect you, but down by Surfside, uh I actually we were walking around the whole lake, the Landon Loop, right? >> And we were over at uh uh Surfside, uh where the blockade is, right? That you're not supposed to go through that everybody goes through. >> Yeah. and they were sitting there pulling people over. >> I talked to the cop actually. I went up to him and chatted with him >> and I said, "Well, how many people are you getting?" And he's like, "I'm pulling over people all day." >> Okay. >> So, I don't think you're seeing everything. >> But that doesn't matter with what I'm talking about here. Like what they're doing in front of Surfside doesn't affect people. >> I just said that it didn't affect your that issue. >> Okay. So, >> yeah, >> that doesn't matter. So, why are they enforcing that more than said speed limit on West Edge? Well, first of all, there's only what, four uh cops on >> on Mountain Patrol. >> On Mountain Well, there's like one on Mountain Patrol. >> Yeah. >> Um I mean, they can't just sit there and police every single car that goes by. >> We don't Yeah, we don't have enough police to actually enforce said >> law of the speed limit. >> We have speed limits all over the whole city. We can't enforce every little thing on every >> I'm not asking you to enforce every little thing. And this isn't an every little thing problem. I live on this road with my children and my wife. >> Yeah. >> I'm not coming here because I want to piss you guys off or because I love to hear the sound of my voice. I'm doing it for my children and everybody else that uses that neighborhood. >> Well, I think >> honestly, it's just gone to garbage. It's a freeway. >> I I I hear what you're saying and I and I don't drive anymore, but I did have someone drive me down West Edge so I could experience it. >> And you're right, people are driving fast. Um, we've done remedies thus far. The only thing left that I think we could do is put temporary speed bumps. >> Yes. >> And that might be >> Yes. >> That that's the last thing maybe we could do. >> If the speed bumps don't work, then >> Yeah. They they work and they don't work, you know, but >> it'll definitely slow people down as long as they're a good size speed bump. >> Mhm. >> You know, and I think we brought that up. Somebody mentioned that somebody's car lawsuits or something like that with car vehicle damage. Well, there's not a vehicle that's manufactured that if going 20 m an hour or even 15 over a speed bump is going to fall apart or rip a bumper off. >> If you have a lowered car, well, that's your inherent risk of, you know, lowering your car. >> Yeah. >> And if the speed bump catches it, that's not the city's problem. That's their problem. >> Okay. >> Well, we'll look into the speed bump thing with our engineering stuff. Uh, do you have any other questions at all? >> No. >> Or comments. Okay. No, >> thank you. Appreciate you coming up. >> Yeah. >> Come on up. Give us your name and address. >> Hello everybody. My name is Johan Schuma. I reside at 6039 Beachwood Road. And I'd like to talk also about the West Edge. >> Um, just to bring fuel to the fire. A couple of days ago, my wife and I were going south on West Edge and before the 90° angle, since we were slow, according to some traffic, we were overtaken by two cars going at least 45 miles an hour. >> You talking about they went around you? >> Yep. >> When you're turning to go to Beachwood? >> No, we were No. Uh, just before the right angle on West Edge, the 90° angle >> before the water >> curve. When you go south, when you go >> Go north. No, when you go south towards you're going >> on west edge, you go south towards >> down the hill. >> No, up the hill. >> Okay. You're going up a hill, >> but before the before the hill on >> before the hill. >> Yeah. So, on that long stretch, we're >> Okay. So, you're coming back to your house. >> Yeah. Exactly. We're going 30 miles an hour and then two cars just went zoomed by us cuz we're too slow for them. >> Um, >> you're going 30 and a 20. >> Uh, sorry, 20. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Sorry. And, um, what else? Uh, yeah. Last day was rose skiing when I was put my arm out to turn on Beachwood when there's a guy who decided that he was not going to let me go and almost ran me over. >> When you say say when when you're doing what? >> I was going up the hill going turning on Beachwood >> when you were driving. >> When I was um skiing when I was skiing. >> Oh, roll the Okay. >> Yeah. >> And then some I put my arm out to turn and the person decided it did not want didn't want me to go through even though I had my uh security jacket. Mhm. >> So there's no way he could not have seen me. >> Yeah. >> So that's and I feel for Matt because I mean these kids are they go on the road sentence >> for sure. >> So people drive fast and also that road is not made not meant to be a county road. It's a small road. So yes definitely we need we need measures >> concerning the speed bumps. I'm concerned if the speed bump is on the down slope because if I roll a ski I can't stop. If it's somewhere else I'm fine. But >> where do you want the speed bump? I not downhill. >> Not downhill. >> Not in the downhill. >> At the bottom of the hill, >> maybe. Yeah. But you know, I don't have brakes. So if I >> You don't want it to cover. >> You're talking about on your roller buddy. >> Yes. Okay. >> If it's somewhere else, I'm fine. But yeah, >> you might have to go a different route >> when there's no there's no other route. >> You go to the rack or I That's what I do. I go I drive around the back road or walk around or bike around the back road. >> Yeah. Okay. But anyway, >> yeah, >> I think something needs to be done for safety of all the citizens. My wife and I We don't walk anymore in West Edge. We used to go We take the back roads now because otherwise it's >> That's my point. I I go farther than I need to. You know, my wife and I walk around there all the time. We I bike with my daughter. She's 14. >> Uh a lot of the reason why I'm sitting here because I was concerned about crosswalks in our town. Yeah. >> So, I get I get, believe me, I get it. My daughter doesn't want to even go across any of these busy roads anymore. She wants to stay on the inside loop. I get it. I 100%. We're right around the corner. and maybe also uh prevent people from parking on the road. I see uh Michelle, not too far from your place, some people tend to park on the road and that that's causing a nightmare. >> Yeah, I know. I've seen a lot of trucks on the road and that's even worse because you can hardly get by by that. So, I don't know if we can I know we put uh on the last request of the last meeting when I wasn't here, >> we um heard what we heard, right? We're 20 and I said, "Well, there's not enough 20s along the way." So, I talked to Jess. They said, "Put more 20s." Cuz people don't understand that you got to go 20 the whole way, >> right? >> Do they do it? Again, people are people. They don't do anything you'd ask them to do. But we did put more 20s, right? And then we also I think the lights went out on the the triggers, you know, speed. So, they're they're looking at that. Dr. Jesse, I think they've been out for a day or two now. Um, I I think they might still be getting data, but for whatever reason, they're not showing your speed, which I think is a good thing to show your speed so people can slow down >> and maybe um putting some line, some medium line because there's no line. So, people feels like it's wide and maybe that tends to increase the speed of people because they think the road is wide. But if it's narrowed down because there's a medium line and people will be like, "Oh, my lane is small. Therefore, I have to be driving small slower than what I can." >> Yeah. We're going to have to sit down and figure out what other options we can do that >> makes sense for everybody. So, >> I'm sure you'll find tons of ideas. >> Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Well, thanks. >> And when is this project going to wrap up? >> Mid June or mid July, pardon me. >> Plan is to have that open on the 13th. >> 13th of July. >> Okay. Welcome. Can you give us your name and address? You can move it down. >> Okay. Hi, I'm Margie Satzer. I live on 2625 West Edge Boulevard. Um, I actually have two concerns. My first concern is is that is my road. I paid over $6,000 for it. And I don't understand why this is now a highway that everybody can use when all the neighborhood roads have signs no through traffic. And um I think that's what gets me very upset is this is my road. It's not everyone's road. And I don't I just don't understand why PE, you know, these other roads have all these little signs and all this stuff. And like, you know, why should their roads get priority over our road when there it supposedly is a neighborhood road that, you know, I was charged $6,500 for and my whole yard and every driveway and everything else was ruined. Um, of course, my second concern is safety. I have a 35year-old special needs son. He's outside all the time walking. I cannot believe how the cars and semis and dump trucks and gravel trucks are just whipping through there all the time. And um I just think it's an accident waiting to happen to someone in the neighborhood. We already saw this little girl a few weeks a couple weeks ago. She got fell down on her bike and she was cut all over um because of all the traffic. So, it's just like a huge safety concern and I think something has to be done right away. Thanks. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Anybody else? >> Give us your name and address. >> Christina Wenszel, 1753 Shorewood Lane Mount. Um, so I was the driving force behind a new ordinance ordinance a few weeks ago. So, I'm just here to say thanks. Um, it was the humane pet store ordinance. Mhm. >> So, um, thank you all for supporting that. That, um, ordinance just shows that a business model like that has no place in Mound. Um, it shows that we care for animals. It stops the puppy mill pipeline industry um, and the future potential future um, sale of those animals. So, thank you guys. We are the 18th city in the state to um, pass that. So, >> I just want to pass that on to the planning commission who did do a lot of work in researching area towns that had a similar ordinance >> and they wrote it up to pass it on to the council. So, >> I'll pass it on to Sarah. >> Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you guys. it it um you know we're a small community and we are we pass it along some really big other cities but I think it just shows that no matter how small we are we can have an impact um on local other communities and statewide so thank you all >> you should give yourself credit for that too because you followed up a lot and helped get that rolling the right way stop but so now you know who's behind the emails it's me so I just wanted to come in person and thank you guys so >> thank you appreciate All right. Anybody else? >> Hi. >> Hey. Give us your name and address. >> My name is Helen Canyon. I live at 5926 Beachwood Road. I was here at the last city council meeting and I came today to uh give credit to the street crew because the day after the last meeting, the signs went up. Things were noticeable. I live on Beachwood. We don't have any place to play. We have no place to play. So, for safety purposes, I'm okay. I drive that road four times a day, and I have seen a significant decrease in traffic. I have never seen anyone pass me. Um, I just want to say thanks. You guys really stepped up it, but this is temporary. And I feel like we're getting to a nimi situation where this is not your road. This is our road. You don't own the road. >> No, we paid for it. >> Everybody pays for the road. >> Everybody's assessed. Helen anyways direct. So I think um we need to change our attitude and be thankful for the street crew and know this is a temporary situation where the end result is better water. So if you can suffer a little bit for a few weeks in the sack, >> find a different place to play. I think we'd all be better. It's getting tiring hearing about this when it's temporary >> and you guys are listening to them. So that's my two >> I appreciate supposed to listen to us. >> Yeah, they did. Yeah, >> I'm glad that it's not. >> All right. Can you give us your name and address? >> I'm going to be quick about this. My name's Christina Myer. I was here two weeks ago on 2676 West Edge Boulevard. Yes, West Edge is being discussed right now. I don't need to respond directly to what she's saying, but we've had damage to our property twice now since this construction. Uh construction detour, which was supposed to go out to 92, is on West Edge, and we're seeing issues at our house. Our mailbox was hit on that Thursday after the detour started and we have yet to replace it. As you drive by, you can see it's smashed. >> On Thursday last week, the 18th, our slow sign, the turtle guy to try to help was stolen. And our neighbor two door neighbor right next door had two of her stolen. It's not picked up on camera. There are police reports for both of those incidences. There's a police report which I will share those numbers with Jesse so he can look into those. as you mentioned. Um, but there's a police report for the mailbox originally and then now there's a police report that was filed on the 18th for this. I I appreciate the 20 mph. I do. I see it and it's a brutal 20 mph. It is temporary, which is a good thing, but people are not abiding by it. The people who live in the neighborhood do. I go 18 miles an hour. I got a parade behind me. I don't care. When I'm turning into my driveway, I'm almost being hit because people will not wait for me to turn or I had a Bronco come up and almost rear end me. They screech their tires when I'm literally turn signal to turn into my driveway. There's lots of issues. It can go on. I don't need to give you every single situation. I like the 20 mph, but something else needs to be done just for this last duration before this construction's done. Okay. If it's July 13th, as you mentioned, is like where they're aiming that part of that road will be opened, that's great, but there is two weeks or more until that July 13th. So, can we get those temporary road bumps? Try something. Or can we do temporary road signs, construction stop signs? Let's do two of them. Let's do one right at Deerwood at the top of the hill, Dearwood and West Edge, a temporary stop sign to create that as a three-way stop sign. and one down at H Hallstead and West Edge right before you get to North Saunders. Those temporary stop signs are going to be key spots, especially where that hill is because people come flying up that hill. Give them a stop sign where they have to stop or stop them before they get to that hill where they're going way too fast going down to that curve right there. That's all I'm here to say is just we've had damage to our property. And also, please think about just enforcing something more just to get us through July 13th, whether that's the bumps or the stop signs, just increase the safety of everybody on that street because we're still not feeling safe. My kids still are not feeling safe. Like, this is summer. This is where all the kids are off school. They want to have fun. We understand. Once again, I'm going to keep repeating myself. It's temporary, but cars are driving too fast. and what's it gonna take to actually get this traffic slowed down. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Anybody else? >> Hearing none. Okay. All right. So, we're going to move on to number nine. And you have >> You have any old business? >> We have no old business. >> Okay. >> So, you're the new new business. >> I'm more than happy. Okay. So, just so we have a little bit of statistics here before we get started. >> Oh, yeah. There's copies from you guys. >> Um, I have been in touch with Jesse, our city manager, and the, uh, legal council, Scott, um, to discuss some of the options here. Um, I did provide a motion last week, um, requesting that it be added to the to tonight's agenda. Um, that did not happen. I also um received a traffic report from a speed summary report from the Orno Police Department that Jesse had requested. So, just some metrics for some of you out there who think that this is just a pain in everybody's side and we're upset because there's a lot of traffic and in the order of full disclosure, I do live on West Edge, so I see it daily. First of all, this report states that the speed limit is 30. Huh. Well, that was as of June 1st through June 10th. So, the metering system that they were using, I'm assuming was set to 30. There were 10 days in this um report, they clocked someone at 62 miles an hour on West Edge Boulevard. Okay. Um on average, the average volume per day had increased to 5574 cars. Now, I'm going to guess this thing really only clocked one direction. It probably did not get both. So, I'm going to need some more specifics from the Orno Police Department on their apparatus. Um, that made the total for all 10 days 55,740 vehicles on West Edge Boulevard. That is a lot of traffic >> for that 10 days. >> Just for 10 days. Yes. Okay. So then we requested the Orno Police Department. So I um to give us a copy of their um call and I don't know what CAD means. I'm assuming it's an acronym for calls addressed or something to that effect. Activity report by address and date range. So this was from the period of 61 through 622. There were 30 incidents reported. Now, this included West Edge Boulevard from the bridge all the way up down to Lynwood Boulevard. So, in here, I did not detect one of these. There was probably about six that were redacted, so I don't really know what those were for. Um, there were several citations, it looks like, for potential uh driving under the influence, I guess, would be the technical term. There were additional um someone got caught using their phone. So, there's a little bit of proof of that. Um it looks like they gave out several warnings for a verbal warning for looks like uh speed through a detour. That is the only thing. There's another written warning. Um, I think to some of the people that have spoken earlier tonight and from what I've heard from some of my neighbors, we have an enforcement problem, which I don't believe that is all the Orno Police Department's fault. Um, I did a little bit of research and Scott, thank you for sending me the documentation from the Minnesota Highway Department and believe me, I have now read more about that than I care to even admit. Um, I think we have a problem with enforcement and I'm uh really upset about the fact that we don't seem to understand or know when I can do a simple Google search. These orange signs are considered warning and information signs. They are not legally enforceable, which is probably why the Orno Police Department is not writing tickets. In order for it to be a regulatory sign, it has to be a white R2-1 speed sign. typically the legal basis for enforcement. Okay, according to the documentation that was provided to me and further research based on that document, that document is 1100 and some odd pages long. So, it did take a little bit of time and I was willing to do it because I do believe this is a safety issue. We did formally establish a temporary speed limit or we at least need to, which is the motion that I brought before the council, would like to have brought before the council this roadway. Um, I mean, they can't even enforce those orange temporary signs because this roadway is not actually an active work zone. It's a detour. Okay. Um, and this is according to the MUTCD requirements for traffic control, for temporary traffic control, excuse me. Um there's other things that we need to do is which is you know adopt a traffic control order if authorized by the city ordinance and state law which it is install the R21 speed limit signs at 20 miles per hour which is a white background with a black legend. Um once we establish that the um use of orange signs should be used for things like new speed limit ahead, traffic calming pilot program project, speed limit reduced to 20 miles per hour. These are just options. Um to alert drivers to let them know that this is actually happening. Um I realize that that is something that we're a little bit late to the game with. Um but I do believe that enforcement is a big problem. We can't ask our police officers to enforce something that's not enforceable. Um, and to the point that was brought up, the batteries are dead. That is one of the calls that were on here. One of the residents called and noted the police department that the batteries were dead on the little metered signs. Uh, the big metered trailer sign that was at the beginning of West Edge up near Bartlett was removed. I think probably about 10 days into this and it's now sitting out on Lynwood. I would believe the one that is down by the crosswalk Jason. I don't know if that's ours or Minatrista's, but that one has been dead now for about three or four days to the point where it's not even reading, you know, bicyclingers ahead or whatever it said. Um, we do have several special needs children along West Edge Boulevard, including Miss Satzer's son. Um, there's also some other additional handicap people up at the top of the hill that are also involved in this. Um, I overall think we've done a very poor job of managing this from the word go. Um, I also was down at the food shelf on Saturday. We also were redirecting traffic down there and we've got pylons up moving traffic over against the curb. There was no no parking signs installed and I realized it was Friday and hey, yippy, everybody wanted to go home. I don't think that's our department's problem. I think that's the contractor. So, um, I would suggest someone follow up with them. Um, I feel like Bolton and Mink has some liability in this. Um, we've got a lot of issues going on here. This whole thing has been handled very poorly as we've heard from multiple residents. And I know it's not just the people in the room tonight. It's the people that have contacted the staff, sent emails. I've gotten numerous calls from people. And um, I believe that Matt and uh, Christina have a petition to give you. And if they want to come up right now, I don't know. Are they allowed to bring that to you or is that out of line? >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> Yeah. >> And these are not just West Edge residents that signed that, I believe. I believe there's also people that use the road just in general as a walking path. >> Sign the back of it here. >> Peek if you like. >> Um, so therefore, I did have a motion that was amended by Scott Lansman. Um 35 on West Edge and well most of them are from West Edge and everybody had the same complaint that something needs to be done. >> And one thing that I would say would need to be added to that amendment um Scott is the fact that we needed to address these signs because these 20 mile per hour signs which now we look like Mount Tuck for sure but those are not viable. they're not going to do us any good. And people know that. I mean, think about I know it was a long time since I took my driver's test, but I mean, and I got this information also from one of our state senators. So, I think this is something we need to address and we need to address it immediately. Um, and I realize we've only had a couple weeks. We >> only have one state senator. >> How many people did you say that they're that they pulled over during that time frame? >> There were 30 incidents. Um, but they also were not all related to speeding and West Edge Boulevard. Looks like there was one for There's 30 on West End. >> There were 30 citations that were either or pullovers, I guess, would what to call them, >> but there were not lit there was a lot of warnings given, but they weren't for speeding. >> Um, I think part of the problem is they how can they pull over something somebody for speeding when there's not a legal signage up? Not to mention, >> I I don't know that answer specifically, but I have talked to one of the officers that was pulling people over and I didn't talk to him again down at Surfside. Um, but he uh about a half hour before did pull over someone on West Edge going south right past their house. >> Um, I don't know if I specifically asked him if they gave him a ticket, >> but he did pull him over and I saw him pull I saw. So, are you concerned about the tickets or just pulling people over? >> Forcing it. So, why would it deter him? >> He is enforcing he pull them over. Are you mad? >> They're not writing tickets. They are just >> Do you want people to get a ticket? >> Yes, I do want them to get a ticket. If they're going 25, if they're going 62 miles an hour, yes. But how can we realistically expect the police department to sit on West Edge 24 hours a day? We do pay over half their budget. Okay. So, yes, we should get additional coverage, but I don't think it's realistic to expect them to sit there day in and day out 24 hours a day. >> Well, it's not. But who else is going to enforce it then? >> Well, we first of all, we got to make it so that it is enforceable. And it's >> they're pulling people over. So, you It's not about the pullover. It's about the ticket. >> It's not enforceable. if they're not able to write a ticket and all they're doing is giving them a verbal warning because they can't. >> Okay, >> it's not I mean we are not clear and concise because we're not using this R21 or whatever. >> If I'm just some random person driving on West Edge, >> I see a 20 >> and I get pulled over, I'm shaking. I'm shaking and I'm going, "Oh crap, I just went 30 and a 20. I'm going to get a ticket." And then if they let me off, I go, "Oh, thank God. I'm not doing that again." >> Yeah. But I'm going to guess there's probably over 90% of the people that are coming down that road are not acting that way. >> Did you guys re like see the traffic study, too? >> Yeah. >> I was kind of I don't say like pleased with the results, but I mean it was apparently effective. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, some people say it's improved. No, the um we got it was June n uh June 9th through June 15th and the traffic count is on like you know it's so it was 14,000 cars or 14,532 cars. Um and the average I mean the greatest speed is 27 miles an hour. Most of them are 25. I mean, there's a few. There's, you know, someone went 35, someone went 36, but I mean, the traffic study shows that the 20 mph things are they're kind of doing their job. I mean, it's 14,000 cars, and the biggest thing of them is like 23 to 28 miles an hour. >> Are you talking about this report? >> Yeah. >> This is from June 1st through June 10th. So, just so we get our facts straight. >> I'm looking at one that says June 9th through June 15th. >> And that's different than this one. >> Yeah. >> Did you get it? >> I mean, that one looks >> I don't know. >> That one since our last meeting from this one. >> Yeah. >> Jesse, do you mind that? >> The problem I have with this whole thing is >> I have I have the email here. It's from uh just a couple days ago. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what >> the challenge I have with this is that okay, we we have a construction project. It started out not having all the safeguards for the community residents. >> No doubt. >> We had a meeting. We instructed the staff to handle it and they've handled it. Many of the things in your in your resolution are already done by staff. I guess I would not while while I think this is a good instructive piece for this site and future construction sites, I would not be willing to pass it just for West Edge. I think we could put this as um a direction for whenever we have major construction because while West Edge has come into this council many times for traffic issues, there are traffic issues in other parts of the community that aren't being dealt with. Tuxedo, the stop sign. Um, Commerce, um, 15, you know, and other streets have equal problems. So, why not have a general one that talks about setting up these 20 mph zones? >> Well, that's only in construction. >> In construction, yeah. And then have it general. I I guess I I don't West Edge is current, but, you know, so is Commerce and Bartlett because they're affected by it. Why not have it as a general policy or um or direction for staff on on this? Because um I think just singling out West Edge isn't enough. I would add the speed bumps as possibly a remedy in this. And um yeah, I guess that that's just my thinking on it, you know, because you have different opinions. And you know, we have one person who says she sees the difference. She understands, you know, um what's going on and other people who are on the street feel that that we haven't been responsive even though we've taken lots of effort since our last meeting. You know, we because I remember I said, "Do I need to make a resolution?" And they said, "No, we didn't need to do that." We gave direction to staff. The staff does what staff does. They follow through. Now, this thing about the 20 mile an hour, I guess maybe that's a technical thing we need to work out, but um you know, I I guess I would rather have it be a general resolution for construction projects through neighborhoods in the city than just a West Edge uh resolution. Speed limbs are tough too because you get um I mean I had asked Matt about this a long time ago for three points and you get people like slingshotting or they just if you live off West Edge you're just going to hear revving engines in between each speed bump and it I don't know if that's the right thing but >> that this this traffic I mean the traffic study was like kind of encouraging. It was like I mean it's like 90% of the cars were going like 25 miles an hour. >> So I don't know. I mean, I I'm I live on three points. I always notice the ones that are speeding, but you don't notice how many of the ones that aren't. I mean, speeding's never okay, but >> if it if it improved, I mean, it looks to me like the lion share even more are are listening to these signs. I mean, I don't know if you can pull up the thing, but >> I'd have to find it. >> You can see where these guys said they were going 18 and 15 miles an hour. >> Well, I think speeding is a big thing in mound anyway. Yeah, there's small streets and they're, you know, they're collector roads >> throughout the streets >> like that west edge is and and three points and they have different signs than the neighborhood roads have like the um no through traffic and and that sort of thing. You know, it's just a different >> it's a different type of road and I went through the same thing. I got assessed on three points and I was pissed. >> Um that was like 18 years ago. >> So Jesse, if I don't I'm I disagree with the dates that he's providing from the reports that I have. So maybe you do have another one besides the two that were >> I can resend it back, you know. I'm just I'm looking at it right now. But >> Well, you have I mean I have them printed off here. So I'm looking at the date. I >> think we had different dates, didn't we? >> It is a different date and he's looking at online. >> That's Well, I know that's why I just checked my email. I don't have it either. >> So I I did send an updated one last week to the full council at 12:02 on the 16th with for with the next week's traffic data. Yeah, that one >> was that date prior to the 6th one or when did it start? >> Oh, it was >> June 9th through June 15th. >> Correct. >> And that was sent last week >> because the most recent one that I received >> from you was this one which is 61 through 610 in the police department. >> I mean, the good thing is that people are are listening. You know, >> Jesse, what date did you send that out that >> June 16? prior >> the one prior this week >> June 16th uh 12:02 on Tuesday >> I don't have >> I would email all of you it right now but I can't >> that's okay >> I mean people drive crazy throughout this >> I mean there are options and I I do agree with Sherry I mean to an extent that yes it needs to be followed down the line um what I would also recommend at some point doing all my research Um, we do have control over our neighborhood streets and there are many streets I did get some emails from additional people concerning the fact that they're going down Hollstead too fast. Um, I really believe we should consider lowering the speed limit in our neighborhood streets, not on main drags, the ones that we have control over, the ones that we own in the city down to 25 miles per hour. Because to your point, yes, my car idles at 20 miles an hour and like all the other stories we've heard, it's been repeated. Yeah, >> that you know I've gotten rear ended several times. I mean >> it's you know people are honking at me. >> I agree with with both of you guys but I think it's >> that requires a whole different process. >> To her point though it's like it deserves you know different wording where it's not west edge specific like >> so it does more good or it's more effective. Like I don't I mean I'm not disagreeing that it could be slowed down but >> we don't want to say neighborhood streets because it's not a neighborhood street. It's like a collector road or whatever. It's like what do we really want to do? You know, >> it's still Yeah. >> So, it is a neighborhood. I get it. But it's like, >> well, either either the city owns it or they don't. >> Yeah. They own both >> connect road or not. >> Okay. Well, let's focus on West Edge. So, >> that's what I'm talking about. >> When you sent this to me via email and Jesse >> and Scott amended it. >> And when I replied to you, I said this is we're doing basically everything in this. So, is this >> what's the point of >> well, >> just like a >> it probably declaration. I mean, we're after the last meeting, we said 20. I've watched the video on the way home from where I was up north and I said, "Jesse, are we getting 20s all over the place?" Right. And then they went bam. We heard it from other people. >> They just done an excellent job putting 20 m hour signs. They are everywhere over there now. >> So, here's my again, I we can pass this. I don't really care either way. I mean, it's it's just a it's a resolution that basically says what we're already doing. And so that's why I said that to you in the email. It just seems like, well, we're already doing this. So, um, >> it's a good guide for future projects. >> Well, let's do that in the f let's talk at a different meeting and, you know, do something like that for the whole city when we have construction projects. But, >> um, >> I mean, we need adding stop signs at the intersections of a couple of those roads. Holsteads for one, Beachwood or >> Dearwood, >> Dearwood. um or making a three-way stop, which would make the people slow down, >> or add speed bumps. One or the other. >> Again, I I think what we need to do is get the >> first of our engineer, it'd be nice to hear from him to see. >> I'd love to hear from them. >> I mean, again, this is a long time ago, but I remember we we talked about uh speed bumps before, too. And yeah, >> you're right. It's noise pollution. It's >> um people don't do what you think they're going to do with speed bumps. You can maybe he can >> talk about it, but >> this is that I think the right report, too. >> And we're not I can't see that. So, you're going to have to zoom in a lot. >> Yeah, you can't with the lights up like that. >> Got it. >> Thank you, Mayor, members of the council. Matt Thman, city engineer. So this this is the June 9th to 15th um some of the results from the the SA yeah southbound um trailer that they have out there. And so as Kevin was mentioning the the speed the speeds the percentages they're all actually pretty encouraging. um only 15% of people were going over 30, but seven over seven that went over 40 that I was going to get a few outliers that are trying to see how fast they can make that um the sign go off. Um the other piece here, the average the average speed is 27. Um 85th percentile is 31. And so again with the and it's it's hard to get your car to go that slow, but the purpose of the orange signs is for safety is to get people to slow down for the area that they in that they are in. Um a lot of things that came up. So if I miss anything, just try to redirect me. >> Excuse me. I will interrupt you really quick. Um the cover letter that's on this you sent me. I did have the right one. This says this is maybe an error on the police department's fault, but it's 6126 through 610. Then when you get over to this page that he's talking about. Yep. See? And then this page over here, the dates change from 69 to 6:15. >> So I I I do believe that that is because I think maybe that was when they placed the second sign was the on the 9th because it's two different signs and I don't know if that's clear in there. I think it has locations, but that first cover page I think. >> Yeah, this one's the Dakota Trail. That's why I mean it's all in the numbers. So if you go down one more page, >> one more. Sorry. >> That one. >> This one. >> That one. Yeah, that's the that's the speedometer thing on at the trail. So that's a very different location than the problem route which is at the top of the hill going down the hill and into the curve on West Edge. So from Beachwood and Evergreen down through Hallsteads. And another thing that you've probably not, I was also drawn to my attention that it's very difficult for these police officers to get a line of sight shot to actually give someone a speeding ticket. And of course, the minute they see the police car, they slow down. >> Well, good. >> That's a good thing, right? >> That would be a good thing, but not when they're not there. >> They do in in New Orleans, they park a car on the side of the road and just leave it there. >> They have an extra car. You could just park it. >> They do that in downtown Minneapolis. There's a idea. >> Can I ask a question? These encouraging um speed numbers that you're coming up with, where was the collection on those on that one? I should have said watch on the corner and it's 27 sounds pretty average, but it's right before they come around the corner. That's what >> So this report that he's showing up here is actually at West Edge Boulevard in the Dakota Trail. So that's the one down there by the trail crossing. >> So this is a very different location from the one that was originally placed from 61 to 610 which was up at the top which is closer to uh Dearwood up that way at the very beginning west edge when it crosses over Bartlett. >> Can we have them place the trailer maybe where where do you want the trailer? Just put it wherever you want. Well, I mean, I think it's they've had several citizens recommend to them because that's in this police >> the bottom of the hill, top of the hill. Where do you want to put the trailer? >> It never works. >> It does. It's not working. >> Okay. Well, what are we doing? Let's Let's solve this problem. So, >> if we need to solve the problem, I think we do it by advisement from the Waro Police Department because they've talked to a lot of the citizens. They know where it should be up there in the straightaway. I don't believe it should be in the curb. You can barely get >> You want up at the top kind of where it was >> somewhere up along the top. You want to go north or south? >> I would say >> Beachwood pointing south. >> Pointing south. >> So you can get people coming up the hill and see how fast they're going. >> They crest that hill pretty much. >> West Edge and and Beachwood. >> Yeah, there's that little cutout right in front of Mike's house. >> We'll put we'll put it there and then uh going south. So we're getting people coming up the hill >> and heading Okay. >> And that way you can get some >> Jesse. Can you get them to do that tomorrow morning? >> Yes. >> Thank you. So, >> okay. >> Is it So, it's southbound traffic or pointing south. >> We want to see the people going up the hill. >> Southbound. >> Southbound. >> Going southbound. Yes. >> So, put it right at the top of the hill right by Beachwood. I don't know if you can actually there is a little indent. >> Uh you can maybe plug it over there. Um you'll see it if you know what I mean. Okay. So, okay. Do you want to talk about speed bumps? Yeah. So, so speed bumps, I don't have the data in front of me, but when we talked about this a couple years ago, a lot of what we find is that they'll slow down, they'll go over it, and then they basically, as you're saying, they they speed up to go to the next until they hit the next thing that will slow them down. And so, you're going to get more revving and more noise like that. And, like I said, I don't have the the numbers in front of me, but it it wasn't very encouraging to do work like that. And um and it also generally when we're talking about it, it's we're talking about permanent. So that's a it's a big maintenance issue and um problems for the snow keeping the snow off and and stuff like that. >> Well, that's like if it's long term. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> But a temporary thing. >> Yeah. >> I know we talked about it again a couple years ago and we we saw if I remember right the statistics and Yeah. You said the same thing >> at that time or Brian or something. >> Yeah. And then so and a stop sign is going to be it's going to be a similar effect. So they'll stop at it and then they're going to kind of do what they want to do to to make up time if they do that. Then we usually only recommend them if it's going to if there's issues with people turning on and off and we're trying to get um just traffic into the stream of flow. >> So the difference there between that and the speed signs is that's an enforcable item that the police officers can easily target and write tickets for. So if they go through the stop sign or they blow through it, boom. You don't want one in front of your house because they're loud, but >> it's already loud out there. So, I don't think it makes a difference. I mean, right now the noise pollution is over the top and I don't know what we do. The other aspect of this is the semiis. So, today I look out, there's a big huge uh Pepsi semi coming down the road. So, the semi signs not working either. >> But again, 20 miles an hour signs aren't going to work because people are people and there's they don't listen to the rules. You see the no semi signs, I see them twice before I get to the turn, >> right? That doesn't mean they got to follow the rules. So unless we park a cop on both sides for the next two weeks. >> I don't know what else to do. >> So the the red and white R1 signs, do you know, Ryan, is that something you have to buy or is that something that we can make? >> White signs. We >> white ones with the reflective with the black lettering on it that look like the original >> the right the right regular. >> We order them, but we can make them. >> How long would it take to make 20 of them? Put 10 on each side. >> Probably has to get the >> Can you do it tomorrow? >> I got to see what we have for supplies. We don't make those that often, but I mean, yeah, a day, maybe two. >> Okay. Can we get Can we change them out? Is it a big deal? >> Well, I mean, my question would be, have the police >> determined that they're not going to enforce because of >> Again, I talked to one of the officers. I'll admit I haven't talked to all of them, but one, and he pulled him over. Now, did he write him a t? I don't know. I didn't ask him. But he did pull him over. And that's what I was not here tonight, but maybe we should get a little more information before >> I I noticed the red 20 m orange 20 much more than a white. >> Yeah, I agree with that 100%. So, if you need to supplement the orange ones with the white one, that would be >> So, I I was contacting OPD when we were in the middle of putting up the 20s. And what I was advised from them was that because this is temporary on a detour because of our work zone that the 20 mph was enforcable. So, I I don't I don't I don't know about whether it is or not. That's what I was told. So, um, >> well, maybe you can what we have >> before we rush out and buy all new signs for another two weeks. >> I just I just want to add that >> the the north part of West Edge is shared with Minatrista. So, if you guys if um if the council decides to make this a a permanent thing during construction, I don't know if that would be applicable to the portion that's in >> Well, they can do whatever they want with their city. >> We'll do. >> We can also connect with them and make a request. They don't have any houses that face Edgewood on the metristic side. That's the thing. >> That's true. Yeah. They >> they all have ends, >> right? >> What she said is they don't have a lot of houses that are just right up against the road, >> per se. >> Um I I mean I I don't really I just want to fix the problem. Like whatever we got to do. If it's paying a couple hundred bucks for some white signs, let's just do it. I agree with Council Member Mciny. I see the orange way better. So, if it's only whites to enforce it, I don't think that's why are we doing it. If you just want them to write tickets, then I we can talk to the the chief and say write some tickets. Don't give warnings. Again, it's all about are they there? Are they pulling them pulling people over and there's there is only so many people. Maybe we can get we get a cso officer to hang around the area more often or can we get >> possibly I mean sorry the last time we when we had added extra CO enforcement um that took some planning just because they don't have there's only a couple of them. So, um, I can certainly ask. I happen to know that the one cso is on vacation this week. Um, which may be why that sign is dead right now, though I did advise OPD of it. Anyway, I I can certainly ask. I don't know what they'll say. >> So, the things I wrote down were you want them to give tickets, so we'll look into that. But we asked um last time the officer was up speaking to us to do that and he said they're there pretty much morning, you know, for rush morning rush hour, which you're probably noticing you too cuz you >> I haven't seen them at 6:30 and evening. >> Yeah. >> Well, let's find out what they must have a schedule. Let's find out what they're doing. >> Well, and what I was told is if there's something happening in somewhere else, they got to go do it. I mean, we can't just dedicate all our cops to one thing for the whole >> But I mean, rather than just sitting here speculating, let's find out what their plan is when they're trying to be here. >> And then maybe you who live on West Edge, >> I drive it all the time, too, because and and it's an inconvenience for all of us because I live on Ridgewood. So, every time I've been down it, everybody I'm behind is going 20, maybe 25. So, I don't know what the problem times of day are, but maybe we need to let the OPD know that >> so they can bring more officers over there at that time of the day. >> And I I believe they're there when they say they're there, but and it also makes sense. I mean, if they're not writing that many tickets, you know, and this again, this is from the down by the Dakota Trail. not up where we're going to put it, you know, but it's like if 85% of the people are not speeding, then they're not going to have many tickets to write. I mean, there's a lot of cars, there's a lot more cars than there should be, but it >> the average speed is 27 miles an hour. So, it would make sense that they're not writing a lot of tickets. >> Yeah, you give a warning if you're four over or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But that's also once again, this average speed limit is down. >> That's what I'm saying. I'm worried about part of the road, but >> finding the 60 mph, you know, like you said, if there is who's going 30, 40, 50, you know, >> I want them >> to be seeing those. But again, I know they're not going to see them all. No one's going to see them all because that's just not possible. So, if look into the the how many actual tickets are written and how many warnings, I guess, let's find that. >> Uh, >> we have that >> the the whole white sign thing versus orange. Again, I I kind of more agree with the orange thing, but if it's >> Well, if you need to stagger them. >> Yeah. >> To I would keep the orange because that's much more visually noticeable than all a sudden putting white signs. >> Maybe put a couple more up, you know, along I mean there are they're there, but you know, >> well, can we do a little bit more? >> Everything you're reading it it's almost like you need to have a meeting with the OPD and just say here here are the issues that have been presented to us. What can we do to help you? Are orange fi signs enforceable? Can you give tickets and enforce with an orange sign? >> And if you are, if they are, why are you not writing a ticket? >> I I >> I mean, I'd regry about the ticket thing versus the warning. Like, let's just pull people over. If they're speeding, let's pull them pull them over. >> I I don't know. It just sounds like we're Nazis. Like, oh my god, you got to write the ticket. >> Good. I'd much rather be known as a speed trap than Mount Tuggy. >> Okay. >> Okay. Why do you keep saying that? Quit using that. >> Why do you keep using that term? >> Because I keep being told that term. >> Okay. Well, then stop using it. >> Yeah, but don't repeat as a council. >> Okay. >> So, we're going to look into speed bumps, right? And uh no parking signs if we could put some no parking signs so people aren't parking their >> trucks potentially. >> Yeah. I I'd like to probably readress the the uh speed bump thing with Matt while we still have them. No parking signs are not a big deal. We we probably have plenty of those. So, we can run them as far as we need to. >> Okay. So, let's let's again you got my list. I just said it all. Um and then the last thing is this the the speedometer uh trailer. We we talked about where we're going to put that. Um let's let's do that. I mean, let's just see how that works and work work with you guys and and if we can um work with the police to make sure they're in the area more often if there if there's an extra set of hours or something that someone wants, maybe some more time. I mean, we do pay half their budget. I agree with that. So, that doesn't mean we get, you know, half of the all the staff, but >> So, what are we going to do to address the next phase of this traffic relocation process that's going to be going down Bartlett and 110? what's going to happen with that >> because right now it's not looking too great. >> So, is this commendable for for all of us? >> Well, it's what's causing the traffic problem. >> No, I mean what we just talked about, are we okay with that? What else do you want us to do? Well, I think what we want to do is use this this work that Michelle's done as a guide for when it goes on Bartlett, you know, um and for other projects in the city. I mean, it's it's a good template. It's a good um >> step by step. >> So, don't give me all the credit. >> Well, no, but you wrote it. But no, I mean, I think it does outline the things that we need to to take into consideration. We're having road construction on neighborhood streets. And so I >> I mean, again, are we just making rules to make rules or we why don't we six years I've never heard that this has been an issue before because obviously we don't do a ton of construction projects like this size, but >> um I don't know. I think we >> we need to maybe talk about this as a at a future meeting. >> Um >> I think that would probably be more beneficial to everyone. I mean, what whatever your opinion is on it to give it more time. I mean, >> my point with this whole thing is we're already doing basically everything in here. So, >> yeah. >> Why are we passing something that we're already doing? >> It doesn't >> Why not? I >> mean, we can, but what's the point of it? We're already doing it. >> So, it's it's just like symbolic. >> Then we can amend it later. I mean, what what's the reason why we don't want to do it? >> Because it's it's West Edge. >> It makes everyone accountable. >> No, I was saying not as West Edge. >> I know. I'm saying right now it's Westside specific. We should >> make it a longterm plan. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> It'd be our best practices for when there's road construction. >> Yeah. >> I thought that's what we're payable might make for >> personally. >> Okay. Do you have any other comments? I I haven't seen that so I I can't comment on it. Yeah. So here >> can I look Can I read it? >> It does need to be refined especially if we consider adding speed bumps and stop signs andor stop signs >> which >> and and are we talking permanently or just while this construction is going on? >> This is all temporary. big difference in what you can do when it's temporary due to construction, reroutes, detours, all that fun stuff versus fulltime. >> You guys have a meeting tomorrow and figure out what's all that stuff we just talked about, plus the feasibility of any of the other things that we just talked about, >> stop signs, speed bumps. I mean, we got to >> we got to take care of that that area, West Edge. We also I mean if if it's going to do a four mile backup on a on a stop sign I mean that's we got to think about that too. I will say that's been my experience with talking about temporary stop signs with police has been that it causes it turns it into trying to make up the time in between, you know. So, it's it's it will it will certainly stop people, but it I think that they would say that that will maybe add more danger when somebody that's, >> you know, upset about losing those 5 seconds tries to make it up in the >> quarter mile sign. And we have an official speed sign right there following up. So, it's visually stop. Oh, look. It can only go 20 miles per hour. >> If they don't like it, they can take the original D2. >> So, I mean, Scott, I know that was in the email that you sent directly to me. Um, I don't know if you need to forward that. I can't remember if it was CC to Jesse and Jason. >> No, it was it was the communication we had the three of us. So, >> all right. So, maybe we could forward that to Bolton Mink or I don't know. Ryan probably hasn't seen it either. I would imagine he's not seen it. And we're talking about for the future, >> right? >> Okay. >> Andor >> we'll bring it back at the next council meeting for the future. >> Okay. >> That addresses the whole city and then >> Right. >> What? >> So, as a resolution, not a motion. >> More of a >> Well, they're all resolutions. >> Or would that need to be an ordinance? >> They're all resolutions. >> Well, >> you make a motion on a resolution. I I mean I have breezed through this, but I would like a little more time to digest this and make sure that >> this is everything that we want for the remainder of construction or anytime we have construction. >> I don't think >> there might be things to add or >> Yeah, it's probably not going to stop on West Edge once we open the road back up again. So, what what Scott just said is making it more of a policy versus just, you know, a resolution. >> Uh, when we have construction, we're doing this, this, and this. >> Um, the other thing, too, and again, not a not all of you have been here long enough, but we did have issues on other streets, many other streets, >> and stop signs, speed bump. We've we've been through all this before, >> especially on the island. on the island that it's it's a huge thing. >> That's right. And the and the bicycle crossing, I had a call on that this week. >> At at the at the end of the day, we >> because of that, we put into uh a resolution that when we do get a complaint, this is maybe not a temporary thing, but like a permanent thing. If someone wants a permit stop sign >> at their, you know, neighborhood or whatever, that we go through a process to determine that. And we actually use our engineers and professionals to come up with what actually makes sense. We can't Everybody would love a stop sign on every corner in their whole world, but that's not possible. >> So, we do have a a you know, a policy that goes through that that we passed. >> You were here, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Three or four years ago, something like that. So, >> that's part of the >> That's a permanent thing. >> Do a permanent change. >> That's a permit thing. But on a temporary side, >> it's very different. >> Doing a policy for a temporary >> status. I mean, I don't think any of us are against that. >> Are we? >> I I'm not unless I mean, we got to see it, but I want to read I want to address it a little bit. >> I know we need time to digest. >> All right. So, we good with that? >> Are we good? >> As long as we get everything followed through. We've only got, you know, two weeks to our next meeting. So, >> and and we're talking about everything Mayor Holt just read to you. Is that is that what you're >> Yes. If we we would need to decide whether we're doing speed bumps or stop signs or put language in there that's either or based on the situation. My stage is very different from most of the roads in the town. >> Okay, maybe I wasn't clear. The speed bumps and the stop signs. >> Again, I want to make sure that our staff, our public works, our engineer >> make an informed decision on that. Again, I get it. >> I'm right around the corner. This is very important to me, too. At the same point, you know, we can't just put stop signs and speed bumps everywhere. And they don't do a lot of times what people think they're gonna do. So, if they think that's the right way to go, you know, I want to use the professional's opinion on that. But the speed limits, the the speed traps, uh the light thing, um you know, all the things we said, just if we can give more tickets or more warnings, um can we do the white signs in between the orange signs? Uh replace the batteries on all of our which I already texted uh Jesse today or yesterday to do it. Um and then no parking signs. So >> I mean, we got the list. Is that amendable? >> Do Yeah. Do we know why the speed meter thing is on Lynwood that was used to be on West Edge? Why is it so important to have? >> Which one are you talking about? >> The one that was on West Edge is now moved. >> Where was it on the West Edge? >> It was up at the top of the hill. >> Oh, >> but it's been moved. Well, I'm assuming it's the same one. I don't know how many the city of Mororrow has, but it's now down on Lynwood. It's been there for the last >> Lynwood. Where on Lynwood? >> Is it Which way you going on Lynwood? >> Oh. Oh. when you're going 30 when you're going it's a 30 mph one. >> Again, we're looking out for all of mount too. So, I didn't tell him to do that, but >> when I come down that hill and actually when I did a ride along, guess where we parked? >> Mhm. >> We parked right there. Perfect spot to hide. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we we parked at the top of the and then bam, you know, kid was, you know, 17-year-old kid is coming down. He's crying cuz his dad's going to be pissed. >> We pulled him over on West Edge, >> you know, down right right by Matrista. And uh >> Oh, there. >> Yeah. he was going, you know, the cop was just sitting there doing his little trigger thing and >> um that, you know, so that's a spot where people speed. They come over the hill as they're going west, >> right? >> You know, and then they come down the hill. >> Now, again, is it it's on the other side for the other people, but um I think the reason why they put it there is because that's where everybody's going. >> So, we want people to not go 50 miles an hour on that road either. >> I mean, we can't just close all one whole road or police one whole. You got to look at the whole area too. >> Understood. >> So if if you want them to move that >> top I I I really don't care if it's necessary down there. I think it should stay because as you said that provides safety for the entire community. >> When I when I go down that once I turn take a right, you know, I wait >> couple cars, right? And then I take my right and uh I see it and I'm like, "Oh, am I going 30?" "Yeah, I'm going 31, 32. I'm going 30 now." Right. Same thing with the 20s. cuz I'm like, "Oh my god, it's so hard to go 20." But I'm going 20. >> Yeah, it is. >> Not getting pulled over. >> Do they only have >> There's only so many. >> Are we only allocated one's >> road construction or does >> There's only so many that they have. And in the past, we've had to say, "Hey, we want this." And they're like, "Okay, well, it's been used over in Oro right now. It's being used in where?" >> We had it down at Surf Site for >> I mean, we're probably using all right. I don't know how many they have, but >> I'd be optimistic it'll help. I mean, if you put that one on the hill, it's like apparently where these things pop up, people are slowing down. >> Yeah. You know, I mean, I do. I'm like, I'm not going to get a ticket. No. >> And have the cop ask me, "Do you know how fast you were going?" Be like, "Yeah, I just drove by the right thing." You know? >> All right. So, we got a game plan. >> We're good, everybody. >> Okay. All right. We're going to move on to number 10, announcements. Uh, council member Pew. Well, I did get a call from an individual >> who was very concerned about the bicycle crossing on Shorewood Short, not Shorewood, Short Shoreline Drive. Um, feeling that there was a near accident, I guess, or something. Someone ran into a car that had stopped for a pedestrian and they're saying that, you know, that's such a bad spot because of the curb and stuff. Um, so I said I would bring it forth. Um, now you know I'm a pedestrian walker and I use that two and three times a week. >> I've se I've seen you. >> Yeah. And people people actually Yeah. You hung at me the other day. I thought who was that? Um, but you know I've never had problems. I mean people have stopped for me. One time there was as I was crossing from the city um from the parking ramp side over to the Tonka Toy side, the car in that far lane did not wait for me to get there. They went past while I was in the other half of the walk. But that that's one incident and I do that at least two times a week. Um, so but I know that there are people who do feel that it's um an awkward place to have it because of the curve in the road. >> So I I'm bringing I'm bringing I'm bringing forth. They say it's a hazard. It causes accidents, you know, and that people don't um realize it until they're up on it. But >> when I come around the corner as I'm going, you know, >> as I'm going east. Yeah, >> that happened the other day. And then the flasher flashes. >> If you're going the speed limit and you you see the flasher, you have enough time to stop. >> I even had people stop before I can even push the button >> for the flasher. They'll see me and they'll >> That happened to me the other day. We were riding our bikes back towards mound. >> Well, from spring, you know, spring park to mound. We were going right across the thing. I was just about to hit the button. I was waiting for the guy to pass because he's going fast, right? >> And he stopped. >> He stopped and then I hit the button. Then we go across, me and my daughter. >> And then he yells out the window, "There's a button." And I said, "I was waiting for you to go across." Like, >> can't you know, you can't make everybody >> I will say, I've gone through that intersection at 6:30 in the morning and if the sun is at just the right angle, you can't see any of that. So, it's I'm not surprised that that's happened. >> It's tough to see that flasher sometimes if that sun's at the right angle. >> So, that was >> be careful. >> Got it. And just an observation, the park is becoming more active now that we have the picnic tables. >> People, especially the tables down by the lake, are really using those. You know, you'll see two and three tables at a time being used by individuals. So, that's really um great >> good >> to see. All right. Council member Mcne, >> I don't have anything. >> Okay. Council member. Yeah, just looking for a couple addresses here. Um, I don't have anything to add. I just wanted to um I guess request again if we can get like um like a update for HWS. >> It is uh >> pending. >> Okay. And then a while ago we had I think we were going to get an update on two properties just for followup because we had discussed them at meetings before and I you know if there's in the middle of something ongoing I don't really want to mention the addresses but >> sure >> I think we could not just us but there was other you know residents that wanted updates on that too but attended the meeting and I think there are updates. I just want to make sure that we share them if we can. >> Definitely I will >> I got nothing else. All right. Council member Herrick. >> Uh nothing other than West Edge. I would like to commend um Ryan for his work on the signs. Um done a great job putting on board signs. They're beautiful. Um but also, yeah, the furniture and stuff in the park looks great. So >> yeah, >> thank you very much for your diligence on that. >> Chairs have been ordered and they're being made. So sometime mid July. >> Good. Now if we get some green grass. >> All right. Uh I don't have anything either, council member or uh city. >> So we were approached today by uh the school for their music in the park. They were concerned with the availability of Surfside and asked if they could use Lost Lake Commons on the 9th and we said yes. Um so that'll be your trial run. >> Sweet. Good. Good. >> July 9th. >> That's five. >> Six. It starts at >> 7. No, I feel like it was 6. >> I think it's like 6 to 8 or something or Okay. >> Well, you'll do a post, right? And then say something like this is our first thing in our new park or something like that. >> Trying it out. >> Cool. >> Yes. >> Awesome. Well, we got a parking ramp. We got plenty places parks. >> All right. Any other city reports? No. >> Okay. Our next council meeting is Tuesday, July 14th at 6. Uh, and I'll take a me uh a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> All right. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor, please say I. I. I. >> Those opposed. All right. We're journ.